Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Top 10 QB Rankings + Rookie Fun, Space Garbage - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/12

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

QB rankings and draft strategy  on today’s fantasy football podcast! Find out which quarterbacks are being over and undervalued in mock drafts! Plus, preseason reactions, and biggest ADP difference...s across fantasy football platforms! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for August 12th, 2024. (00:00) - Intro (05:25) - Ready To Roll (10:55) - NFL News (11:30) - Pre-season Week 1 Standouts (16:35) - Malik Nabers (23:00) - Quarterback Rankings (24:00) - Jordan Love (29:25) - C.J. Stroud (33:45) - Joe Burrow (36:10) - Dak Prescott (40:15) - Kyler Murray (44:15) - Anthony Richardson (51:50) - Lamar Jackson (54:45) - Patrick Mahomes (59:00) - Jalen Hurts (01:00:30) - Josh Allen Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Ready to Roll presented by Nissan. Visit https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/crossovers-suvs/pathfinder/rock-creek-edition.html News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Welcome in. Mike the fantasy hitman Jason Moore, Andy Holloway the fantasy footballers podcast back with you Monday August 12th preseason week one in the books was that okay? I thought it was even more than okay i mean like there are some people gave us some teams gave us some stuff some teams did not but there was more
Starting point is 00:01:56 there was more this year than i think last year and and presumably that's that's because of the Rooks being behind center. There was a lot of them. And that was the exciting thing. I'm jumping into it right now. But, man, this is fun to watch. Yeah, I laughed at McDermott and Buffalo. Like, the starters are out there, and then they're mid-drive. But then, like, the the quarter it goes to break
Starting point is 00:02:25 because the quarter ends and then like all the starters stay out there for the rest of that drive except for josh allen like we are following the quarter rule we're not going to finish the drive we're going to get him off the field because we said one quarter there you got to follow your word i just but just for him so annoying i just wanted to see the end of the drive um quarterback ranking show today nfl news to talk about we'll talk about some of our quick player takeaways from week one and any adjustments you might be making to your rankings we got ready to roll again on today's show which was a big hit last week uh j broke down the red zone situation with the defenses, the zone versus man, and some of the targets around the red zone
Starting point is 00:03:13 as defenses change in the NFL. So we'll be doing a bit of a deep dive today to share with you. But I need some sort of like announcement horn. I need something. What do you got? I think we got a bigger than an announcement horn for this one. We got, yeah, let's go, baby. Jason was feeling super caffeinated right then.
Starting point is 00:03:34 I did have quite a coffee this morning right before the show. We wanted to announce something exciting. You're not supposed to have a big gulp of coffee, man. A big gulp. He's got 64 ounces. It's not safe. But, I mean, it a big gulp of coffee, man. A big gulp. You've got 64 ounces. It's not safe. But, I mean, it's appropriate for this particular event because this week, not only is it My Guys Week because we'll be announcing our My Guys on the
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Starting point is 00:05:29 It's fun. And draft seasons are here. Literally this weekend, my daughter's boyfriend's family, they all had their draft. Daughter's boyfriend's family. I don't know. They're not in-laws yet. No, but soon. There's not like a name for that.
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Starting point is 00:06:12 Yeah, that's frightening. Our family league's getting started as well. But ultimatedraftkit.com, get in on that giveaway. It'll be a lot of fun. And let's jump right in. Welcome to Ready to Roll, presented by Nissan. All right, Mike, you're going to bring us some special stuff. I'm steering this car today. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Steer by wire? No, I'm old school, man. Full spinnies of the wheel. Look, it's draft time, and so much of the draft, as long as we're talking you're in a snake draft here, it's ADP, the average draft position. That drives so much of who you're able to get. It drives so much of what your opponents are going to do.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Because it's a guide. It's staring you in the face. No matter what your plan is or what your rankings are, you still see the ADP, and so does everybody else. And you have to understand that where you are, like where you're drafting, it affects your ADP. And they can be wildly different.
Starting point is 00:07:29 So we wanted to highlight those things. We're working with Sleeper this year, and that's the platform our leagues are on. So we predominantly talk about ADP from that perspective. But the ADPs are different, like I said. Just for an example here, onesie positions, they are much lower if you're playing on the Yahoo platform. For example, Josh Allen in Sleeper, he's going at the 209. Meanwhile, on Yahoo, a full round later, Patrick Mahomes is going about a half a round later on Yahoo. Mark Andrews, a round later.
Starting point is 00:08:04 So onesie positions when you're on Yahoo, make sure you're checking that out because when you're giving advice of, well, I would take this player in the fourth, but you know that in your system, ADP-wise, they're going in the sixth, you've got to adjust. Looking at the wide receivers,
Starting point is 00:08:19 like over on ESPN, which the default is full PPR on ESPN, the wide receivers are actually going later than the other platforms. That doesn't make no sense. No, it really doesn't, but you need to highlight it. Speaking in italics again? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:34 So you have to be aware of these things. Drake London on sleeper, the 206. We talked about his ADP and the risk that is baked into it of you feel like you're drafting him at his ceiling. There's such a small margin for error. Over on ESPN, he's going at the back of the third right now for ADP. The boys in San Francisco, you know, Iuke and Debo, about a full round later. Pay attention to these things. Jalen Waddell, one of my favorite players of the year, I'm happy to draft him in the third i can get him apparently
Starting point is 00:09:05 in the late fourth if i'm playing over there on espn so it's really just make sure that you are checking these things out i did we just highlighted a few here in the ultimate draft kit we have our adp comparison tool where desktop only desktop only yeah thank you mr still getting emails all weekend long we will bring it to the app i promise we'll get it there lots of things are Thank you, Mr. Still getting emails all week and long. We will bring it to the app, I promise. We'll get it. Lots of things are being built here at the Fantasy Footballers. But the ADP comparison tool, it is in the Ultimate Draft Kit.
Starting point is 00:09:35 You can go check that out and see what's going on because it really is a big, big deal. When a player is going a full round later, like Malik Neighbors, we'll see what happens to the ADP because he had a little footy injury, but he's been going in the fourth on sleeper. That's what we've been dealing with all year now. I get the upside,
Starting point is 00:09:57 but he makes me a little nervous at that price, but over on ESPN, full round later. That's so much more palatable to me than in the fourth. So pay attention. ADP comparison tool, check it out. Another way to think about the whole average draft position discussion is just intelligence, right? You're gathering intelligence because you want to have a plan
Starting point is 00:10:17 and a preparation for your draft. And I can think back to our League of Record 10-plus years ago. We were so neurotic about it that we were running internal mock drafts about what we thought people would do in our league of record 10 plus years ago we were so neurotic about it that we were running internal mock drafts about what we thought people would do in our league over and over and over again and that was just to have expectations going into your draft nothing's going to play out according to adp exactly or according to plan we talk about having home team bias if you're in a packer fan draft you might have to reach a little bit if you want your guy. But having the context of every league format,
Starting point is 00:10:50 what kind of cheat sheet people might be walking into the draft with, that's what we're talking about. Yeah, for sure. If I'm playing in Yahoo, using that tool, I look at Mark Andrews and Dalton Kincaid as like, that's part of my plan now. Right. They're fourth round on other platforms and you come here and it's like I can get them at the
Starting point is 00:11:08 back of the fifth the back of the sixth for Kincaid it's like okay I'm not gonna I'm not gonna look at Laporta I'm not gonna look at Kelsey necessarily if I think the value's there so it just helps you make a plan have you ever tried to convince your league to to go draft someplace else because you like the ADP someplace? We'll draft over here. We'll move the league back. Don't worry about that. Yeah, it's just like, can we go draft on Yahoo today
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Starting point is 00:11:56 News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. All right, we've got news to talk about some uh injuries to discuss and big changes to rankings maybe not big changes but some tweaks and additions and subtractions going on based on depth charts and how they're playing out in the preseason i i wanted to just ask the question was there a player or two that stood out to you watching the film from thursday through sunday for me there were two names it was the performance of braylon allen yeah baby for the new york jets in the in the backfield they you know much much like los ang, they would like a reliable change of pace,
Starting point is 00:12:47 give Brees a break type of player. And Braylon Allen looked up to the task this weekend. Chunk plays, most effective runner of the preseason. Yeah, had the strength, and obviously he's got the size that we loved coming in. Also, he is shockingly, despite being a gigantic human, he's a baby boy. He is so young. He's 20.
Starting point is 00:13:09 He's still 20. He can't get a beer, which is also great for his physical health. Right, right. That was one. The other one I'll just throw out real quick. Well, before you do, I had a question on Braylon Allen because we just did the Top 10 Running Back show, and one of the points you made was that you felt like the backup to Bijon in Tyler Algier could could maybe make more of an
Starting point is 00:13:31 impact than the backups that Brees had if Braylon Allen continues this does that does that make a difference in the in the Brees versus Bijon of like I went through the thought exercise yeah I mean I think Braylon Allen showing some explosiveness is a big deal but rookies trustworthiness third downs important drives I think Algier has proven more of that sure yeah um so I I hesitated to to overdo it through one week the other player was J.J. McCarthy I thought J.J. McCarthy you know he started uh with an interception that looked rather ugly and of course gets tweeted around instantaneously, and that is his career, that one interception.
Starting point is 00:14:09 But then he just carved up the defense. He was moving in the pocket well, two touchdown passes. I thought he looked incredible. So I think J.J. McCarthy was one of the guys that jumped out. Yeah, I'll hop in on the back of that because what excited me, and I mentioned it right at the top of the show, was these rookie quarterbacks, man. A lot of times you see the rookie quarterbacks come out
Starting point is 00:14:30 and look like they're going to need a lot of time. And obviously this is preseason. We talked about how good Kenny Pickett looked last year in preseason. You don't want to overdo it, but at the same time, they can either come out and look good or they can come out and look bad. And you would much prefer them to look good. But specifically, like Caleb Williams. Oh, he looks so good.
Starting point is 00:14:49 He looks so good. His arm strength. And I don't even know if it's arm strength because I watch when he throws. It's like almost like in his core. He's like flexing his abs as he throws his body forward on the run with a laser. And he looked great. Jaden Daniels looked good airing it out down the field. Bo Nix finished the game looking great, scoring on most of his drives.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I saw his first interception being shared on Twitter, which was Jared Stidham. That was not Bo Nix. But, yeah, I was just excited because, you know, if you look at some of the changes, the kickoff rules and seeing like, oh, this could actually increase scoring, and you look at quarterbacks coming in, you figure, how many major quarterbacks were there drafted this year? There was, is it five? Five, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:37 You did not mention Drake May in your rundown. I didn't. He didn't get much time. Yeah, we didn't, you know, jury's still out there. But it's like you would expect that most of them won't hit. If you're just looking at most years when there's, you know, four or five quarterbacks drafted, you look back a couple years later and it's like there's two hits. Hopefully.
Starting point is 00:15:57 Hopefully, yeah. And so if there was a world where these guys hit, what this does for the whole of the NFL is just so good. Always great to have some new faces at the quarterback position. Mike, what do you think? Jordan Mason from San Francisco. Oh, he really did. He looked good, which is, that's great.
Starting point is 00:16:16 You get the offseason, the whispers from the bushes starting to grow louder for him to be the backup goes out there. Granted, everyone's hurt for San Francisco, like Elijah Mitchell, who was the backup. But Mesa goes out there and plays extremely well, in my opinion, looks good. And then if you want just a nasty boy, Jordan Whittington from the Los Angeles Rams, he looked like a guy who can play who who knows at what point if he will factor into the Rams plan this year but he is a name to pay attention to he's a
Starting point is 00:16:54 rookie wide receiver he was getting a ton of buzz before this like there there was a right there was a question asked on our last dynasty dynasty episode about him and whether we should believe the buzz. Obviously, they did a great job drafting Puka last year. Same round, right? No, he was a sixth round. Whittington was a sixth rounder. Puka was a fifth.
Starting point is 00:17:13 But yeah, a late draft guy, and he has been, you know, the drumbeat's been heavy for him, and so for him to come out and have quite a monstrous showing was very good. All right, some other news. Malik Neighbors, some fright on the Twitter sphere yesterday. Malik Neighbors suffered a mild ankle sprain.
Starting point is 00:17:35 He's considered day-to-day. That is good because he had limped off. They didn't know if it was foot or ankle or what was going on. And so we're optimistic, right? Right? Yes, we are. Yeah, that one looked minor. He was walking. or ankle or what was going on. And so we're optimistic, right? Right? Right? Yes, we are. Yeah, that one looked minor.
Starting point is 00:17:48 He was walking. Obviously, they'll get more information now with ankles. It takes a couple days maybe for the swelling to go up. But if he's back on the field in a week, then there's no concern. All right, this was unfortunate. Hollywood Brown, shoulder injury, status for the regular season opener now uncertain. This is, unfortunately, the story of Hollywood Brown for three years. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:13 I mean, he's had these little windows of success with Kyler and Lamar, but then injury has kind of dominated his story. And now, you know, first play play and he's off the field spent the night at a hospital don't know what the recovery is going to look like there's so many names in that receiving room right now i mean sky more played a bunch of snaps you saw worthy's going to get more and more time and obviously rashi rice right now is the legal situation is not impacting his play yeah i mean as of right now Rushie Rice looks like a great pick in fantasy. I mean, especially where he's going.
Starting point is 00:18:50 And if your draft is in the next two weeks, he's not going to rise in ADP to the point where he should be. To me, Hollywood was already someone that was lower in my rankings, like significantly lower than his average draft price. With this happening, he's basically off my board. I just don't – I think there are players in almost every round that I would just rather have. I believe that I saw it being compared to Tyreek Hill
Starting point is 00:19:19 had a similar injury back a few years ago. It cost him four weeks. So that was in-game. So you're actually in-season. Hill missed four weeks, came back, and then was okay. But the point being, if Hollywood is missing four weeks right now while they are getting ready for the season, it's a huge blow. Yeah, no established chemistry in season between these guys.
Starting point is 00:19:48 I understand having him kind of off the board because you have to ask yourself, okay, if he comes back and he's healthy, then what is his ceiling? And there's too many other players that I'd rather have. Yeah. All right. I've never seen a player cleared for contact more often as a news blurb than Deshaun Watson. He's clear for contact more often as a news blurb than Deshaun Watson.
Starting point is 00:20:06 He's cleared for contact. He'll get the vast majority of reps in practice. Okay. Yeah. Like, if he's the quarterback, but then the personality of the Browns quarterback was Jameis, like, if you wanted to merge that, do you know what I mean? I know what you're saying because Jameis is just awesomely fun.
Starting point is 00:20:24 Like, did you see his pregame speech? Oh, oh i haven't seen there's a new one you saw no there's a there's another one yeah he has a he's a like a mount rushmore of his pre-game speeches that just happened in the pre-season game one oh man Jameis is incredible. Jameis is a cartoon character that is such a happy, fun guy. And, man, I wish he was better at football. Trey Sermon, hamstring injury. We had just talked about him on the last episode, I think. Yes, Colts running back, Trey Sermon, seemed like he had really locked up the job. He still could, but it was like a he's gone from the game and then immediately ruled out.
Starting point is 00:21:11 That's a pretty strong tell to that. It's a decent hamstring injury that will take some time to overcome. You don't think that could have been because it's preseason? It's just like, hey, if you tweak anything, just rule them out. It could be. That's the hope. Marshawn Lloyd. The news has just been worse and worse on Marshawn Lloyd, and now
Starting point is 00:21:34 he's got a hamstring injury. It's the opposite of Deshaun Watson. He keeps popping up as not able to play. Please don't contact him. Yeah. You know, they say it's not considered serious. That's great news. I consider it serious for his prospects because a couple of weeks ago, you kind of saw the floor with a little bit of frustration over the injuries. Thankfully, not sharing it in a Dennis Allen way, but still being
Starting point is 00:21:56 a human being. And so Marshawn Lloyd, he's just not getting the reps he needs as a rookie in practice and training camp. He won't get it in preseason. So I very much, very much still think the second half of the year, Marshawn Lloyd, talent can win out, his explosive nature. He's a late-round dart throw, a sleeper for later, but he's not going to do much in the start of the season. I would be really shocked if he's got a significant role in the first couple weeks. Xavier Liget returned to practice. That's good.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Yes. Exciting. And then what was his old nickname? A star has been born. All right. Well, we'll give you the floor then. Patriots have released wide receiver Juju Smith-Schuster. He must be, what, 40, 40 50 years old the sun has set
Starting point is 00:22:47 say that that's not a star that's just space garbage yes space garbage is out there i did 27 years young this is an incredible story i dropped him in our in both of my major dynasty leagues because i had him both places. Several years ago, if you weren't playing dynasty, you might not know. If you were, you might not even remember. He was, in many places, the number one startup pick. The 101 in startup drafts and now on waivers at 27 years old. He made $332,000 per reception last year.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Hey, get that money, Juju. 29 receptions. All right. That was today's News and Notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. All right. It is time to continue our rankings countdowns, and we'll talk some quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Quarterbacks. All right. If you missed it last week, we went through our wide receiver and running back rankings. We also released a bonus episode of the show on saturday where we re-released our february 10 things to remember episode we we record that right after the season so that we can have those things fresh but it was like you kind of need to remember them going into the next year or they're pointless. So, yeah, lots of episodes.
Starting point is 00:24:28 And here we go with the quarterback rankings countdown. Our consensus rankings, all of the tiered rankings, all of the, you know, custom scoring-based rankings. You can see those in the Ultimate Draft Kit. Print out a cheat sheet. At number... Oh, wait. We need a countdown.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Number 10. There we go. All right. Number 10, Jordan Love. Jordan Love comes in at number 10. Speaking of that shmoney, he's been paid. Yep. After a long, illustriousous career finally got the money and in preseason
Starting point is 00:25:09 immediately threw an absolute strike to dante v and wicks that was a touchdown and then he was done what do you remember where he finished last year i believe he was quarterback five. Quarterback five. Yep. And so I think a lot of players just kind of want to know when to pull the trigger. There's a lot of excitement. I mean, Jordan Love and C.J. Stroud are kind of in the same category. Offenses were excited about. Young players that had incredible seasons. It is ironic that you're hoping that C.J. Stroud takes that leap forward to have a season like Jordan Love just had, and yet C.J. Stroud is several rounds ahead. I guess in truth, when you draft C.J. Stroud,
Starting point is 00:25:59 you're hoping he jumps into the Patrick Mahomes tier versus the Jordan Love tier, but he still has not yet made that leap. But Jordan Love was awesome last season. I have him in the lowest tier. This is four point per passing touchdown rankings. I've got him at nine in my six point, but he's got weapons for days here. And there's some worries about, you know, okay, Jaden Reed has the calf.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Christian Watson has no hamstrings. And so you worry about health. But with the emergence of Dontavian Wicks, who seems like he could just fill in in a heartbeat if either of these guys goes down. And you've even got depth behind him and Bo Melton, the butter man out there. You didn't even Romeo Dobbs.
Starting point is 00:26:49 Sure. The other wide receiver who like the perceived number one target. Yeah. Romeo Dobbs, the, the reports, the, I'm not saying he's the fantasy go-to guy,
Starting point is 00:26:58 but just the reports that a camp are, he has been the, by far the most consistent wide receiver for the green Bay Packers. Like he's, he's good player. Yeah. By the way, Jaden Reed's back at practice with the Cavs. So he's got the weapons.
Starting point is 00:27:13 He was at a 5.5% touchdown rate last season. It's a bit high. It's worth mentioning because there have been 48 quarterbacks who have had 30-plus passing touchdowns at that 5.5% rate in the last decade, and 83% saw a decrease in their touchdown rate the following year. So it's something to be aware of because that is a pretty high number. At the same time, he just got better as the season went on, and so did his receivers.
Starting point is 00:27:43 So I think that the optimism is warranted. And he's an eighth-round pick when we're talking average drop position. That is something. Like, I have his touchdown rate dropping. But the nice thing about his elevated touchdown rate is it wasn't one of those crazy 7%, 9% touchdown. Five and a half percent is definitely above average. It's really good but it's a it's a number that you could stay at for a career if you're that dude so if what he
Starting point is 00:28:11 did last year the level up especially like you said Andy the first half of last year wasn't that great for Jordan Love the second half was incredible if he levels up he should be able to be right around there on a touchdown right. And you've just got a really nice offense, really nice system. They let him throw the ball. They let him air it out. For fantasy purposes, that's really good. I just wish he ran the ball, and that's kind of what he doesn't do that much.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Just so you, to reiterate your point, Aaron Rodgers' career touchdown rate is 6.3%. Patrick Mahomes' career touchdown rate is 6.4%. Exactly. So 5.5 is sustainable. If he really is good, and that's what you've got to decide with Jordan Love, because we don't know
Starting point is 00:28:52 definitively. I know. You know definitively. Yeah, it's over. What about... I think definitive is for fantasy. I think he's a franchise quarterback. I agree with that, I think he's a franchise quarterback. I agree with that.
Starting point is 00:29:07 But will he be a franchise stud for fantasy football? That's TB. I just want to point this out because I do think he is going to be that guy if for no other reason than the freaking magic wish that some Packers fan made, you know, 60 years ago. On his deathbed. And they are always going to get the next one every single time. And it's not fair. As a Cardinals fan, it's not fair.
Starting point is 00:29:38 But, you know, this is really his first year playing where he came out and looked great. And I just want to remind you, Derek Carr's second year, his sophomore year, very, very, very similar. 61% completion rate, 4,000 yards, 32 touchdowns at 5.6% touchdown rate. He looked like, okay, he's the dude. And then it was like he is a franchise quarterback, but he's not elite for fantasy because he doesn't run the ball. That's my only fear with Love.
Starting point is 00:30:09 I feel like hitting the boo button if I had it for you comparison. Jordan Love to Derek Carr. All right, moving on. Number nine. CJ. CJ Stroud, 22 years old. Sorry, everybody. That he's number nine. It's my fault. Yeah, yeah it is i mean jason's got him at five i'm at eight mike's at 11 his adp is the quarterback five so technically it's both
Starting point is 00:30:34 of our fault mike because jason's the only one at the adp i mean it's hard to like there's just no world where i'm taking cj stroud in the fourth round i have there's just no world where I'm taking CJ Stroud in the fourth round I have there's just no world I have CJ Stroud at number five that he is my quarterback five in rankings there is no world where I'm taking him in the fourth round zero at all that's just I don't think it's good fantasy playing the game when you look at the range of outcomes and what he would need to do I still think like I got him projected to do it to be the quarterback five but that's not good enough in the fourth round the quarterback five is not going to be worth a fourth round pick from a consistency and
Starting point is 00:31:15 you know if I'm grabbing an early quarterback I want a Josh Allen a Jalen Hurts a Patrick Mahomes someone that could be the quarterback one well explain to me the gap you see between Stroud and Jordan Love because to me, I think I'm with Mike on this, where I see them both very similar from an outcome standpoint. Jordan Love is going in the eighth round. CJ Stroud is going in the fourth. But from a rankings perspective, you have a pretty big gap between them. Yeah, for me, it's the confidence and the weapons.
Starting point is 00:31:42 I like Christian Watson a lot, but Nico Collins proved he is just a superior player. I like Jaden Reed a lot. Tank Dell is just, I mean, even in preseason, he is that guy, man. You cannot cover him. And then you add Stephon Diggs. So I just see it as like a slightly upgraded version of the same thing. So I would much rather have Jordan Love at cost because the gap, despite being in six-point, being my quarterback five or quarterback nine, there's not that huge a gap. They're pretty much in the same tier, but they're in totally different places in your draft. Whereas a wide receiver in the ninth round versus a wide receiver in the fourth round, give me the wide receiver all day with jordan love do you become tempted to take shroud if he drops to the sixth round because um you know there aren't very many players as fun to roster as him in terms of the weapons like you
Starting point is 00:32:38 said he had the second most air yards per pass attempt um the second highest completion on deep passes like having cj stroud on your roster is a blast for sure and obviously this is this is um fantasy related like you know if i'm a gm drafting sure quarterbacks i he would be i don't know would he be the second one taken maybe but he doesn't run the ball that much. And so you are going, we talk about this all the time. These pocket passers, they got to throw for 4,500 yards. They have to throw for north of 30, preferably 35 touchdowns to be a weekly difference maker at the position. You compare him against Joe Burrow a couple rounds later, who has done that twice. This is a projection forward. I love CJ CJ Stroud I think he's
Starting point is 00:33:25 going to be great um but he's just not he's not a good pick in fantasy for where he's going and the way he scores fantasy Mike you love Nico Collins if you end up with him early in the draft does he become does Stroud become more tempting uh not not for me in the fourth if he's the the hypothetical that maybe you're in a league where they're going to pass on quarterbacks, it'd be a surprising scenario, but I'm sure it's going to happen out there. In the sixth, okay, I spent my third on Nico Collins, and then I really want to have the stack for the upside. I'm okay in the sixth.
Starting point is 00:33:59 The hardest part here is just C.J. Stroud could be one of the guys that does it. He could be the pocket passer that jumps into the top three this year, and you win because of C.J. Stroud. It can't happen. It's just the bet to do that is very expensive, and the margin of error is so small compared to Joe Burrow and Jordan Love. Jordan Love did it. Jordan Love actually did it last year,
Starting point is 00:34:34 and now you're really hoping that Stroud does what Jordan Love already did. It's a weird place to be. Number eight. Well, you just said his name. Joe Burrow comes in at number eight, being drafted in the sixth round, where you were just talking about hoping Stroud might fall. Has done it twice. Yeah, he had a quarterback eight and quarterback four season.
Starting point is 00:34:59 You brought him up on hungry for more last week. Had 12 passing touchdowns before the thumb injury in five games was number one in completion rate I think the the story that's kind of been pushed Jason is just don't forget about him for sure I mean he had such a bad season last year and that that is not just okay he got injured and so you forget about him as far as like he missed, you know, the second half of the season. He also got injured in preseason with the calf and started the season awful. I mean, that first month, he was a terrible quarterback. Joe Burrow was not a bad quarterback. We know that. There's multiple years of him destroying
Starting point is 00:35:43 NFL defenses. He went to the Super Bowl. He's not a bad quarterback. And after the first month, once that calf was healed, you look at his next five games, unfortunately he got injured in that sixth. But that five-game stretch when he was back, 5,000-yard pace with 40 touchdowns. He was doing exactly what he did the previous two years so like to me I actually believe that like the the ceiling of CJ Stroud is what Joe Burrow has done already in his career I'm always going to take Joe Burrow in the sixth over CJ Stroud in the fourth he's done it multiple times he's got a
Starting point is 00:36:20 healthy Jamar Chase a healthy T Higgins. If you want to talk about someone who looked good in their preseason snaps Tee Higgins just the argument of is Tee Higgins a one we don't need to have that right now. Is Tee Higgins a good wide receiver that if Jamar Chase
Starting point is 00:36:40 is on the field and it's those two with Joe Burrow that to me is there is huge upside for Joe Burrow. Again, C.J. Stroud could be the guy, but I don't want to bet as heavy on a pocket passer if I don't have to. Number seven. Sorry. No, you're good.
Starting point is 00:36:59 I thought you were done. I thought I was done. Wait, say your point again. Just of the number seven. Thank you. Oh, man. You walked right into it. Busted. done i thought i was done wait say say your point again just of the number seven thank you man you walked right into it boston oh dac prescott's next i'm not even coming back to you um dac is 31 years old it was a blast having dac last year and it was from week six on so So it was a wonderful ride. Ended at quarterback three. And, you know, this was just the CD Lamb-Dak connection.
Starting point is 00:37:32 And Ferguson. And the fact this offense was passing so much in the red zone was great. We were all worried going into last year that losing Kellen Moore was going to be kind of a death knell for the offense. That didn't happen. that losing Kellen Moore was going to be kind of a death knell for the offense. That didn't happen, so props to Mike McCarthy for doing the right thing. Showed up big in big games. I really, you know, if you look at the player profile videos,
Starting point is 00:37:58 we have 100 of them in the Ultimate Draft Kit. I watched what we had talked about with Dak for months ago, and we're still waiting for CeeDee Lamb to get a contract. I still think the value of Dak I'm the highest at six, Jason at seven, Mike at eight. I think the value of Dak in the seventh round is the perfect balance
Starting point is 00:38:16 to me of high, you know, obviously league winning upside. He proved he could do that over the majority of the season along with not overpaying the price like it's hard for me to say when you draft like cj stroud in the fourth round like you mentioned he hasn't done it over the course of an entire year but you're making a commitment to a player in the fourth round that you have to start every single week no matter what
Starting point is 00:38:41 which means you don't have that option to pivot. Like last year, that was a decision people had to make. You brought up Dak and our waiver show. That was the moment in time for people. And a lot of people in that moment say, I either sign him and play a new quarterback, or I stay committed to the high draft capital investment that I already made. So that's one of the challenges of taking the leap on a quarterback like C.J. Stroud in the fourth round is that it is a commitment to play him or a really hard one
Starting point is 00:39:10 to bench where Dak, I think, is a pretty good balance. Yeah, you can draft Dak in the seventh and be comfortable benching him. My issue with Dak is that he's going in places where there are more mobile quarterbacks. Thankfully, he did rush for 250 yards this last year. But you look at his splits last year, and when he played a top 16 defense, he was mark of the beast, worse, 6.66 points worse per game. And you look at the schedule to start the season, on the road in Cleveland, New Orleans has a good defense, and then Baltimore. So you've got three tough, should-be top-half defenses
Starting point is 00:39:47 where he wasn't that great for fantasy as far as as good as he was against the bottom-half defenses. I'd push back of just saying the splits, when he's playing a top-half defense, he's still right around that 20-point mark. Yes, yes. He just wasn't the league-winning. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:03 Yes. So I think if you're playing a tough game on the road and you're still like, oh, Dak can still give me 18-plus points, and then I know that the next week he's going to win me the entire matchup, he's a quarterback to target. The career of Dak is so strange. And not just NFL career, but fantasy football career. He has really been good.
Starting point is 00:40:37 He's been good almost every single year. He's been great multiple times. And yet, he is still a player that just gets drafted here. This is where he gets drafted every single year, and he can finish top three. Well, here's his fantasy finishes. I'm going to take out the two years where he was injured. I think that's fair because the fantasy finish will be obviously low in those years.
Starting point is 00:40:56 If he plays the season, his fantasy finish in his career is quarterback six, quarterback 10, quarterback 12, quarterback two, quarterback seven, quarterback three. Every single one is a quarterback one and several of them were you know top half quarterback ones number six kyler if uh if mike was responsible for pulling stroud down he is now responsible for pulling Kyler even higher because I got him at seven, Jason at eight, but Mike has him all the way up at quarterback four for 2024. And I know you have said it on the show many times,
Starting point is 00:41:35 but you see the Cardinal offense as being one of the more upside-laden opportunities in fantasy. Yeah, I don't know that they're going to be a top-five offense. I'm not calling for that. I'm saying that every year there's an offense that takes a jump that you – it was hard to predict or rationally make a projection that this team was going to make that jump. But it happens every year, and I think that the Arizona Cardinals
Starting point is 00:42:04 are the team that does it this year. They played it completely correct with Kyler Murray last year despite, oh man, the noise of what are the Cardinals going to do with Kyler Murray was extremely loud of are they going to tank and then dump Kyler Murray, trade him away. And along the way, the coaching staff the whole time was, no, Kyler Murray is our guy. We got to get him ready.
Starting point is 00:42:34 And they let him fully recover from the ACL. He was not pushed. And once he got back on the field, he was Kyler Murray. Now, he was certainly lacking offensive skill players. He had Trey McBride last year, but a hurt Hollywood Brown, and then just a cast of characters who are not – they are not main character energy is what Kyler Murray was working with last year. No, no, no. Greg Dortch, he's got a bit part on the sitcom.
Starting point is 00:42:57 He's not one of the headliners. Exactly, and he has two headliners this year, and he's back to being a fully mobile quarterback. You have to have, to make that jump into the top three, like year over year, you have to put up points with your legs. It was a great run for Dak last year, but him getting up to three, a little surprising. Where Kyler Murray, at the end of the year, if he's top three,
Starting point is 00:43:22 it will not surprise me in the slightest because he's back. He's been a great quarterback for fantasy football. QB7 as a rookie. As a rookie, QB7. QB2 the next year. QB10 because he only played 14 games, but he was still putting up over 21 points per game. He has been great for fantasy football when healthy, and he's healthy and now has a true number one wide receiver. Kyler Murray, to me, is the best quarterback pick that you can make. He is a layup in this year's draft. I mean, when he's been on the field, he's always been good for fantasy. Always. He was the quarterback nine from the time he got back going forward on a points per game basis. And last year year he had the fewest receiving yards by outside wide receivers in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:44:07 The reason is obvious. It's going up. Because he didn't have one, and now Marv is there. Yeah, no, it is exciting opportunity-wise in fantasy. All right, Jason will be really happy because we're going to take a break. We're going to take a break. What?
Starting point is 00:44:23 We're going to take a break and then come back with the top five, which I think is... Are these accurate? I'm excited. Okay. Before we took a break, Mike was kind of like...
Starting point is 00:44:46 I am flabbergasted. You're flabbergasted. I understand that. My flabbers are gassed. Your flabbers have been gassed. My flabbers are fully gassed up. Anthony Richardson comes in at five. And you know what?
Starting point is 00:44:58 I know why you're flabbergasted. Yes! Wow. I didn't see it until now. You snake! Number five. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:05 Thank you. By the way, thank you, Al. My flabbers were also gassed. Your exclamation is because I apparently have Richardson at four, Mike at five, Jason at nine. This is because of four-point scoring. Because I'm not acclimated to having him ranked this high mentally. And I don't – Let it wash over you, brother.
Starting point is 00:45:33 I'm going to say this right now. There's no way I'm drafting Anthony Richardson over Kyler Murray. That's fine. That's not happening. So my rankings are bad. I have bad rankings. I think when you look at how we stat people out and we project people for the UDK.
Starting point is 00:45:51 Also, he didn't look that great throwing the football, by the way, in his first game. Yeah, because he has never looked good. But I have drawn attention to that for a while. Like Anthony Richardson, like the great seasons of the running quarterbacks have to come with the level up in the passing game. It happened with Alan Lamar, Kyler. You do need that. Like he hurts Cam Newton. They all had, if you want to be that really, really, really elite run fantasy game breaker, it has to be both. And so there is far more risk with Anthony Richardson
Starting point is 00:46:26 of not hitting there than there is with, you know, a Kyler. But Anthony Richardson has the body that can do the 15 rushing touchdowns like Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts have done. He's got a coordinator in Shane Steichen who has, you know, done that with Jalen Hurts. Fast pace of play. You know. They've said they're not going to worry about him in the running game. They're going to unleash him. For fantasy purposes, Anthony Richardson has an extremely high floor with his rushing totals, and I don't mind you having him top five. I mind it so much. I have been informed that the points, because we do point projections
Starting point is 00:47:04 down to the, you know. Down to the decimal? Down to the yard. I mean, we stat all these guys out. But it's a four-point gap between four, five, and six, and I'm going to fix that. Take one touchdown away. But I think maybe to spin it to the positive, the fact that I am resistant to whether Richardson is a passer that can get it done on a consistent basis,
Starting point is 00:47:31 and despite that resistance, being intellectually honest in my statistics and having him just end up here, because we're not going into our ranking saying I want Richardson at this number. We're going in putting in realistic projections based on the offense and the opportunities, and I am intellectually resistant to him, and yet still ended up the results still. I think you're emotionally resistant to him.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Intellectually, it seems like. No, I'm intellectually. You've got him right where he should be. Number four, baby. I don't. I mean, even in the preseason. I'll go passes. Oh, of course. He. Number four, baby. I don't. I mean, even in the preseason. There's some uggo passes. Oh, of course.
Starting point is 00:48:07 I mean, he hit a couple of them. To be fair. But then there was a couple of uggos. Even when Cam was, you know, not post-injury Cam, he still had some uggo throws from time to time. But when you have the ability to throw those just 60-yard bomb passes. An uggo throw in the context of seeing a bunch of great is different than having. I mean, he had a game, what, 33% completion percentage last year
Starting point is 00:48:35 in one of his starts? Was that the second full game? How did he finish fantasy-wise? Injured. Okay. finished fantasy was injured uh okay 44 uh sorry 44 completion number two overall in fantasy yep the next week he was injured no no i look i he's there because he's there i'm just saying like to me richardson is exciting for fantasy he's also a fifth rounder he's not gonna be my pick you it'll be your both of your picks he won to be my pick. It'll be both of your picks.
Starting point is 00:49:06 He won't be my pick. I would certainly rather have Kyler when he's dropping in the sixth and seventh over Richardson in the fifth. But we've talked about it many times. I want the mobile rushing quarterback with the game-breaking upside. I want Anthony Richardson or Kyler if I don't get Richardson or Jaden Daniels if I don't get Kyler. So the question is – I'm going to take him in League of Records right in front of you. Enjoy that ride. The sophomore breakout for Jalen Hurts, he was only the quarterback nine,
Starting point is 00:49:38 and that was off of 3,100 passing yards. If you draft Richardson in the fifth round, you get QB 9. Yeah, I was going to ask about that. That's upsetting. Yeah, yeah. If that happened. But the next year, that's when Hertz was absolutely incredible for fantasy football.
Starting point is 00:49:52 The QB 3 in 15 games, averaging over 25 points per week. I'm not saying Richardson's going to do that, but that was 3,700 passing yards, a 4.8% touchdown percentage. You're committed to him in the fifth. You certainly are. You're going to be starting him every week. That's my hesitation is he is the highest drafted non-known commodity, right? Yeah, he certainly is, and you're hoping that he can be the number one.
Starting point is 00:50:22 That being said, the more that we talk through this, Jalen Hurts is a great comparison, great comparison, because I think that the path is there for him, but that probably means that it's not this season. This season is probably more of a low-end quarterback one because I don't think he's throwing for 3,700 passing yards. And so if you have to pull the trigger in the fifth, that means you've got to get a really outlier elite rare season from him.
Starting point is 00:50:50 And I'm not saying it can't happen. I like this college tape. I like his passing. I don't think he's a terrible passer. That's not what I see. This gamble used to cost less in fantasy. Yes, it did. This gamble used to cost six or seventh or eighth round pick.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Well, depending on the year so it's like man kyler at a value later than richardson who you're hoping can develop into kyler seems yeah it it i i understand all of that i'm probably it'll be more rare for me to have richardson as well despite how bullish in my ranking on him, because it's the question of, okay, Richardson here, Kyler a few rounds later, or say my plan goes in motion of, it's going to be Kyler, and I get just absolutely sniped by someone. And then it's like, okay, well, Jaden Daniels in double-digit rounds, who has, can Jaden Daniels put put up 3 700 passing yards and 700 rushing yards yeah he probably jayden daniels is a good discussion with richardson because it's like
Starting point is 00:51:52 they're both basically brand new rookies yes i mean richardson's barely played jayden daniels has a lot more football football under his belt football he rings that football but i mean jayden has played 10 times the amount of college games and just barely fewer NFL games. But with Anthony Richardson, I play on sleep or an underdog usually
Starting point is 00:52:16 where he's a fifth round. He's always in the middle of the fifth. So I was just curious. I looked up in the UDK, the ADP comparison tool. Where do you think he's going on ESPN and Yahoo? Ahead or behind? We'll just say ahead or behind. I'll go later.
Starting point is 00:52:28 Later, yeah. He's going ahead. What? He's the 411 on both platforms. That's pricey. His PR team's doing good work, man. I think it's too pricey for me, man. Probably YouTube from like three months ago.
Starting point is 00:52:41 All right, moving on. Number four. Lamar. Makes sense. All right, moving on. Number four. Lamar. Makes sense. 401 right now. Mike at three, Jason at four, I'm at five. The Todd Monken system worked for the NFL, dot, dot, dot, and sometimes for fantasy.
Starting point is 00:52:59 Highest completion percentage of his career, highest yards per attempt. It would be hard to look at that offense and not say some similar things as you did with Kyler where you didn't have the pass catchers you expected for the majority of the year, right? Like we were dealing with injuries to Mark Andrews. Bateman will never be a thing. Beckham was no longer a thing.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Yeah, I mean, when Beckham is part of your story, you need to write a new book. But is it any better? No, it's not. The health of Mark Andrews, if he plays a full season, it's massive for him. But outside of that, it's still Bateman, and the wide receiver three is still Odell Beckham Jr.
Starting point is 00:53:43 in the sense that it's nobody. And so you're hoping basically that Andrews is healthy and Zay Flowers takes a step forward. Those two things are not even unlikely to happen. Zay Flowers should take a step forward in his sophomore year. Mark Andrews could be healthy this season. I mean, Isaiah likely is a weapon in the offense as well. But the most likely thing to happen is that they want
Starting point is 00:54:08 to run the football a little bit more than they did last year because they have Derrick Henry and they can do that. That will involve the goal line where Derrick Henry is not stoppable. Last year already, he was a C in our consistency rankings. Only 47% of the time hit 20 points at quarterback. You don't love that ride. It's bumpy. It's really fun when you get to watch him with a breakaway run, but you didn't really have as much ceiling with him as you wanted.
Starting point is 00:54:40 Yeah, Lamar is a little bit different. Mind you, he's at four. Yeah, obviously he's great. He finishes the quarterback four last year, but the consistency or the lack of consistency in that ride is based upon rushing touchdowns from the team. When you look at the Bills, rushing touchdowns from that team are not running backs. When you look at the Eagles,
Starting point is 00:54:59 rushing touchdowns for that team are Jalen Hurts. And so here, this is not Lamar Jackson near the goal line. This is Gus Buss of the past and Derek Henry going forward. When those touchdowns come, if there's two touchdowns on the ground, which is going to happen quite often, that is a significant hampering to the quarterback production for Lamar. So he is, you know, I think he's where he should be, but for me he is firmly fourth. Like he's my quarterback four, but he is a tier behind the big three. Number three.
Starting point is 00:55:36 All right, Mike. Patrick Mahomes comes in at three, but not on your rankings. Nope. You fool. Thank you. Gandalf, uh, quarterback three is his average draft position in the late third.
Starting point is 00:55:53 We know Jason's really bullish, but you're the lowest. So, um, you're, are you just expecting a similar script to last season? I expect an improvement over last year. It was the second half of the year was so bizarre
Starting point is 00:56:07 for Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs of looking at the games that they had lined up and every week pointing at yourself in the mirror saying, this is the week. This is when Patrick Mahomes turns back into Patrick Mahomes, not this guy who's out there giving me subpar fantasy points, and it simply never happened. And the Kansas City Chiefs offense to me, maybe worthy, maybe Xavier Worthy can be the answer.
Starting point is 00:56:35 But it's like the wide receiver core, we're having the exact same conversations here, Rasheed Rice notwithstanding of, it's a group of guys. It's a hodgepodge of wide receivers, and I don't see – there's no Tyreek Hill on this team, and Travis Kelsey is – if they actually are going to throttle down his snaps a little bit like they did in the second half of last year because they're trying to three-peat over here.
Starting point is 00:57:03 How depressing was it to see Sky Morgan get as many starter snaps as he did? You know, look, in preseason. I think that was a Hollywood injury thing. Yeah, Hollywood got injured, and in preseason, you know, you got to see some things for roster adjustments. I disagree. I think that the wide receiver core is incredibly upgraded this year. You've got year two Rushie Rice, which you look at the first half of rookie season,
Starting point is 00:57:27 he wasn't really involved in the offense. The second half of the year is like, okay, now he understands the playbook. He is on the field more and more. When Mahomes was not putting up numbers. Sure, when Mahomes wasn't putting up numbers because the touchdown rate wasn't there. So his touchdown rate, Mahomes' touchdown rate over his career, 8.6, 5.4, 6.5, 5.6, 6.3. And then all of a sudden last year it drops to 4.5%. That's not super normal, but he was throwing to mostly you had MVS
Starting point is 00:57:57 and Justin Watson on the field for the majority of snaps at Skymore. Now you trade up for a first-round rookie, the fastest man alive in Xavier Worthy. He will be unleashed by Andy Reid, and even if he is not great for fantasy, he will be great for Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes taking the defense and saying, hey, you've got to account for this guy
Starting point is 00:58:22 who is so much faster than your defenders opening up the middle of the field for Rushie Rice. They did add Hollywood Brown. I'm just saying Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy and a year or two Rushie Rice I think are good, and the touchdown rate is the thing that is not usually – he had an outlierly low touchdown rate. Nice. And so, in six-point per scoring.
Starting point is 00:58:48 He's not discounted enough. They didn't downgrade him enough in ADP. I agree. I think things are going to be better this year. I don't expect 17.5 fantasy points per week. He'll be better than quarterback eight. But it's – Why do I got to pay quarterback three price?
Starting point is 00:59:01 Yeah, you're getting him at the back of the third right now on sleeper. That's the question jay is your confidence in my home so high that you're you're willing to draft him and not i'm not just saying 312 because if you have like the 308 you're probably not going to get my homes you would have to go a couple picks early is that where you are with him for the season well yeah i mean you could you could get him at the 308 i mean his average draft position being in the 312 means he's going to be near that 3-4 turn and i am okay if i'm in a six point per quarterback touchdown you know per passing touchdown league i am okay he's my quarterback one in six point leagues now still the majority are four point leagues and then what about eight point leagues and they're still quarterback one but if you're in a four-point league,
Starting point is 00:59:46 I still want the rushing touchdown upside of double digits from the big beef boys. Number two. I want every argument to end with big beef boys. Okay. Jalen Hurts. He's a big beef boy. Jalen Hurts comes at um number two overall
Starting point is 01:00:05 it's it's hurt pretty good for a couple of years quarterback three quarterback two going at 309 right now how are we feeling about that price and uh any you know he's got elite talent on the outside elite pass catcher out of the backfield might not get his tush pushed as much I do worry a little bit about Saquon's touchdowns we we talked about it on the running back episode the fact that DeAndre Swift had a lot of carries inside the five you don't think of it that way because he didn't have a lot of touchdowns inside the five he had opportunities to score that he didn. He got it closer and then Jalen Hurts rushed it in. I can easily, easily see five of those going the other way. And if you take five
Starting point is 01:00:54 rushing touchdowns away from Jalen Hurts with last year's production, you know, you might be disappointed. However, they aren't going away from the push-push. If they are at the one, he's going to get the ball and he's going to put it in the end zone every single time. And he's got great weapons. I love Devontae Smith. I love A.J. Brown. I think he's got an upgraded offensive coordinator. And I just like betting on talent and the ability to rush in double-digit touchdowns. I mean, he could lose five and still have double-digit rushings. I mean, he could lose five and still have, you know, double-digit rushing touchdowns. Number one.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Josh Allen. Excellent. We got to see them play some football without Stephon Diggs this weekend until they pulled him out in the middle of a drive. But quarterback won last year, then two the year before, then won the year before, then won the year before. So it's been automatic 23 plus points per game for four straight years there is a tremendous change in this offense sure uh you're gonna have you know it'll be very interesting because i i
Starting point is 01:02:01 want to know what downfield Bill's offense looks like right now I know the player I have the most confidence in down the field right now is Dalton Kincaid and that's a different situation than when we had Diggs and even as much
Starting point is 01:02:19 as I didn't love him Gabe Davis right now we have a player in James Cook you could throw the ball out wide to. You've got a player in Curtis Samuel who, you know, quick release is part of the game. Khalil Shakir, pretty, you know, he can get downfield. Will there be a trust there? Will Keon Coleman get opportunities? He was out there.
Starting point is 01:02:42 I don't think he had a target. I can double check. But I was watching. He was out there. I don't think he had a target. I can double check. He was out there a lot. I was watching them in particular to try to see distribution. He was definitely out there. I think he's number zero, right? Yeah, zero
Starting point is 01:02:57 targets. Zero was also his jersey number because that's zero targets. Keon Coleman. It takes a unique character to go with zero. Let me just get this right. Neighbors had no targets, right? Right. Harrison?
Starting point is 01:03:14 He played like two snaps. How many targets, Mike? None. Just saying, we're so impressed with these rookie quarterbacks, they should let us watch the wide receivers try to catch the ball. They're holding on to them. They don't want the people to know.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Maybe. But look, we talked a lot about Josh Allen. He's extremely safe. You've got to spend a second-round pick on him. I don't see a precipitous drop, even if things aren't going perfectly for the offense. I mean, what are we talking about here? He's still a top five guy.
Starting point is 01:03:46 Yeah, this is a guy who we make so much about his rushing ability, and rightfully so. 763 rushing yards, 762 rushing yards. This past year, 524 rushing yards. When the change came, the offensive coordinator, he was on pace for 640 rushing yards. I don't have the number in front of me, but it's right around there. But we don't give enough credit to the fact that the reason he's the number one three out of the last four years
Starting point is 01:04:14 is because he's throwing the ball for 4,300, 4,200, 4,400, 4,500 passing yards. So there is a little bit of worry that that passing yardage comes down without Stephon Diggs. He was on pace that second half of last year once the offensive coordinator change was made for right around 4,000 yards, which is, you know, that's not what Josh Allen has been doing. That's several hundred yards under. But 4,000 yards with 600 rushing, you're still a top two quarterback. So he might not be lapping the field, but he's so consistent, so safe. And I do think that Dalton Cacade steps up this season. I mean, that's just the normal projection and timeline for most tight ends
Starting point is 01:04:54 is that their rookie year, they're behind the curve. And now he's been great at camp, and I expect big things from him this season. So, Allen, at number one, Mike, anything you want to throw in there? Are we good wrapping up the countdown? He is great. I do feel a little apologetic that, you know, when you have a top ten quarterback countdown, we're mostly highlighting ways it can go wrong
Starting point is 01:05:16 because the ranking itself imbues the fact that we think it can go right. And so a lot of the times we're just highlighting things to be aware of so you can make that decision in your draft, team context, how things can go one direction or the other. Because you've got to – I mean, if you draft Josh Allen, it's in place of another highly productive player. So there's our top ten quarterbacks. And I think it is worth – I know we mentioned them earlier,
Starting point is 01:05:44 but it is worth throwing J we mentioned him earlier but it is worth throwing Jaden Daniels name in here as the 11th guy because he is a great great target at the end of your drafts you know right now he's he's not very expensive he's cheaper than anyone we talked about yeah where's his current average job position he's in the 10th round 1005 and so this is a this is a guy who is very, very, very similar. I think he's not quite as good as Kyler Murray was, but he's very, very similar. And he's got Cliff Kingsbury as the offensive coordinator.
Starting point is 01:06:15 Kyler's rookie year, he was the quarterback seven. That is completely in the range of outcomes for Jaden Daniels is being a top 10 quarterback. And you can get him for free in the 10th. I mean, honestly, you should draft him in the 10th. Like even if you've got a quarterback, you should draft Jaden Daniels if he's there in the 10th. All right.
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