Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Top 10 RB Rankings + Undrafted Gems - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/12

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Aug 12, 2025. Top 10 running backs for 2025 fantasy football drafts! Will Bucky Irving have a monster season? What could go wrong for Ashton Jeanty as a rookie? Plus, undraft...ed players to keep an eye on during preseason. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.2025 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT + Draft Analyzer available now at UltimateDraftKit.com(00:00) Intro(04:12) Undrafted Gems(10:38) NFL News(18:22) RB Rankings Countdown: 10-1(18:55) Josh Jacobs(24:08) Chase Brown(28:15) Bucky Irving(32:11) De’Von Achane(36:21) Ashton Jeanty(40:37) Derrick Henry(44:29) Jahmyr Gibbs(47:35) Christian McCaffrey(52:27) Saquon Barkley(55:40) Bijan RobinsonConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Fantasy Footmullers Studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Tuesday, August 12th, the fantasy footballers podcast, Mike the fantasy hitman, Jason Moore. I'm Andy Holloway. Now, I'm looking at the show doc here as we get started. And I'm not sure I trust one piece of information. It says this is show 17,800. Oh, man, we've been at this a while.
Starting point is 00:00:59 Was I in a coma for about 15,000 shows? You don't remember when we started at 12 years old. Yeah, that was, I don't think that's right. First of the podcasting game. I don't think it shows 17,800, but it is the second show of the week. We welcome you in. I do know that Adam Thielen will still be playing football when we get to 17,000. I don't know what that would mean for how old we are if we get to 17,800, but it's probably, it probably means AI has made some scientific.
Starting point is 00:01:29 breakthroughs and our floating heads are still talking about fantasy football was that our voice we were robots we became robots yeah okay um we got a running back ranking show the top 10 running backs today to talk through we got some important NFL news to break down
Starting point is 00:01:47 undrafted gyms we're going to talk about some more players this week that we think are interesting and will not be drafted but you should pay attention to them and we are still announcing the big deal. Yes. Go ahead, Mike. Take it away. UDK. For Life.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Oh, are you doing the... Yeah. Getting hyped. Look, if you already have a UDK, UDK Plus, ultimate Food Clan membership, your eligibility is already set, we do this once a year. If you want to get in, look, you're going to get the ultimate draft kit. Grab it right now, and you're entered in this contest to get an ultimate draft kit for life. which will culminate and we will announce on a big live stream this upcoming Monday at 6 p.m. Eastern. Also giving away a signed Jamar Chase Jersey on that live stream as well.
Starting point is 00:02:42 So looking forward to it, ultimatedraftkid.com. You can check that out. I do want to say. Yes. Everyone, make sure you stay tuned to today's show because at some point during the show, I won't tell you when, a gigantic super pop star, is showing up to announce something huge. You're talking about our podcast war, Mike?
Starting point is 00:03:05 I don't know. What? What are you talking about? I'm just talking about... I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about we just, for no reason at all, there is a super mega celebrity on this show, and they got a big announcement.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Announcing a new... We put the Kelsey's on blasting, and then all of a sudden... Weird. Weird how that happened. Overtake us in the rankings. Nonsense. Kiano?
Starting point is 00:03:28 Kiano. Just stay back. behind the door for a little while. Mr. Reeves. You say our counter to the Taylor's Yeah, you're darn right. Yeah. He's announcing the next three John Wicks.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Oh, I blew it. Oh, no. No. Oh. Okay. Mr. Reeves, you don't need to be here anymore. We spoiled the surprise. Dang.
Starting point is 00:03:48 There will be more wicks. I tagged Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. Are they coming on the show? I'm sure they're going to answer me soon. And then we can counter punch. Mm-hmm. This darn Kelsey is called Dontavian. Is it?
Starting point is 00:04:01 Tontavian Wix? There. This time he can't catch. Goodness gracious. But, yeah, stay tuned for that. Undrafted Gems, presented by Walmart. During the month here leading up to kickoff, we are identifying some late round undrafted players to keep an eye on. As preseason rolls on, we've had injuries as well.
Starting point is 00:04:35 So suddenly some other players are becoming maybe more interesting, but give me a name. Well, injuries and holdouts for mine. I want to bring up Ray Davis, a name we haven't really talked a lot about this offseason. The Buffalo Bills, one of the best offenses, obviously led by Josh Allen. You expect them to score a ton of points. Last year, 16 rushing touchdowns from James Cook. There's a lot of fantasy value here. Right now, James Cook, trending towards the right direction to get back to practice and play. So, you know, I don't think he's going to hold out into the season and miss game checks by any means. But we have seen people that are skipping practices holding in all of a sudden the season starts. They're not fully ready. Maybe their body
Starting point is 00:05:22 isn't ready. Injuries can happen. Yeah, you fat Thor. Yeah, you fat Thor. And Ray Davis, That worked out so perfectly for you. Yeah, I really did. Josh Jacobs. That year doesn't make sense. He was that bad, and then all of a sudden he's great again. So don't fat Thor. Don't fat Thor.
Starting point is 00:05:37 And maybe don't James Cook. So Ray Davis currently is just involved in a three-way timeshare, and it's not great. But I do think that he is a very good player on a great team. Really liked his tape. He was a rookie last year, and he showed some flashes. You know, he didn't play as much as you would want. month, but when he got the opportunity, he was pretty good. And in fact, I just want to remind people, there was a game James Cook missed last year. First of all, in the preseason that we saw
Starting point is 00:06:07 where James Cook didn't play, with the starters, Ray Davis was like six of eight snaps. He was really involved. And in the one game last year that James Cook missed, all of a sudden, Ray Davis, who had to that point, you know, been playing very few snaps came in, 20 carries, 97 yards, three receptions for... 55. He was a really valuable running back that week. So I, you know, I just like targeting when you're not going to necessarily draft them, right? This is undrafted gyms. But pay attention because if week one something happens, I do think Ray Davis, even though it will continue to be a time share,
Starting point is 00:06:42 he is a good player on a great offense who would have opportunities, good pass catcher, able to be used around the goal line. So he's someone to pay attention to. Last week we talked about Zackertz, Woody Marks, the back of running back for the Texans. Austin Echler was Mike's pick. Mike, who do you have this week? So I mentioned him last, what, last week, I guess. It could have been yesterday.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I just showed 17,800. I have no idea. But we did a mock draft and I brought up at the very end, Braylon Allen, and then I mismanaged my mock draft and should have drafted him instead of my second quarterback. But it's Braylen Allen running back for the New York Jets, which, fun fact for Braylon Allen, he has the most rushing yards ever for a running back before turning 21 because that's what he is. He's just a, he is a baby boy. He's a humongous baby boy.
Starting point is 00:07:37 But he is the Incredible Hulk, like athletically gifted. And coach Aaron Glenn of the Jets, they have been talking pretty much the whole offseason about how this is going to be a timeshare. is the reason we're concerned about Brees Hall's ADP, and so we need to look at the other side of that pendulum of Brayland Allen's ADP is way too low. Now, it could turn out that it's really
Starting point is 00:08:02 Davis Allen and Brees Hall, the three of them, and then we got a big problem, but if it just turns into his version of the Lions, with Braylon Allen being so young and so strong, there is a chance that he really carves out a role in this offense.
Starting point is 00:08:19 All right, the name I'll bring up. Horton wide receiver for the Seattle Seahawks. He was a fifth round pick out of Colorado State. The camp vibes have been so positive. He's turned heads. He's making plays every single day. He caught a touchdown in the week one preseason game. And he seems to be winning the starting outside wide receiver job over MVS in Seattle camp. I think as the years go by, and I have, you know, in League of Record, I have like so few picks every year. Yeah. I'm just becoming more and more addicted to taking shots on rookies later in the
Starting point is 00:08:52 draft. I believe your second pick is in the seventh round. We don't need to be specific about my draft. There's a cost. That's not hyperbolic. No, no, no. These are called facts. Also, all the rookies will be gone by your second pick. Well, not Torrey Horton, though.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Maybe not. So he's 6.3.196. He's a 90th percentile size guy, 4-4-1 speed. looks the part, at least so far. And you have like this situation there where you've lost some stalwarts in the receiving game.
Starting point is 00:09:25 You know, Tyler Lockett no longer a part of this offense. D.K. Matcalf is gone. We talk about that every time we talk about JSN, but we don't talk about it necessarily in the context of somebody else stepping up, opportunities, even though a fant is gone, right? We're figuring out the A.J. Barner and Arroyo thing. So I think there's some opportunities. You look like a man that's like ready to push a button.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Well, we just talked about him on the. dynasty nasty boys episode um and you know tory horden yeah tory horden oh okay i just subscribed to that uh yeah you should listen great show um but it's is one of those things mics brought this up a lot where it's like js n is a slot player cooper cup is a slot player they're not sure how it's going to work out does cooper cup even still have it right so all of a sudden you've got this guy tory horden they're their rookie drafted by you know this regime that he's an outside guy and he's pretty much got that role locked up. So it's pretty cool to see. He's going to do his best and
Starting point is 00:10:21 forget the rest. That's, there it is. That was undrafted gym, sponsored by Walmart. Who knew that you could get what you need in as fast as an hour? Get free delivery on your first express delivery order with the code express. Valid for first express delivery order, $50 minimum, subject to availability restrictions apply. News and notes from Around the League, presented by Progressive Insurance. well um the reaper doing work look look the reason jason said that look jordan love is going to undergo a procedure on his left thumb to address a torn ligament he's expected to be ready for week one surgery today so this now combined with the news that jaden reed may or may not be available for week one you know jordan love last year dealt with injuries the whole season and it restricted this is not throwing thumb just to make sure people won't know Yeah, and it's not his legs, which he says he wants to use more this year. But it's not great.
Starting point is 00:11:23 You just don't really want to see injuries like this happen. You want to get off to a hot start. Jordan Love has been one of my favorite values in the draft. It's not necessarily, you know, fully changing that. But it's just, you know, you want to get off to a hot start and you don't want to be recovering from surgery as you go into game one. Look, our injury guy, Matthew Betts, he says he's not concerned with, and Matthew was saying,
Starting point is 00:11:49 you might see more handoffs to the left side of the line in the first two games, but overall, not worried. Yep. So, but I agree. You don't love hearing that as we're entering real draft season. Yeah, a reminder that Packer's schedule is one of the reasons why I loved Jordan Love. They're favored in the first eight games.
Starting point is 00:12:08 I think that team is very, very good. I believe two of us picked them to win the division. Yep. I know I was one. Oh, you think I remember that? That was over 15,000 shows ago. Yeah. But, you know, now Jaden Reed banged up, Christian Watson.
Starting point is 00:12:23 He's going to probably start the season on the Pup list. No surprise there. No, that one was expected. ACL injury, additional damage. All right, here's somewhat potentially significant news. Yeah, we need some boots on the ground here. Malik Neighbors still not practicing, did not practice on Tuesday. He hasn't practiced, I believe, since the 6th.
Starting point is 00:12:45 when he came off the field said this is part of the plan and the plan... Oh, he's resting. He's one of those. He's fine. It turns out a lot of NFL teams this year they are planning to not have their players play. Their plan is to have players
Starting point is 00:13:03 not practice. So if you come out of your draft and let's say you've got like Matthew Stafford and Malik Neighbors and Kenneth Walker, like are these all are you happy? You're like, oh, My plan is to have no one week one. Like, no, I'm planning for this.
Starting point is 00:13:19 Can you rest them in fantasy? Does that help them? Right. Yeah. Rest up. I need you in week two. I get double points next week. I was going to say that would be a funny format is if you sit a guy, you get like points in a half the next week. But Malik Neighbors, this is a shoulder injury is what's being announced. And that is not like the toe is what he's been managing since college. So this is something we need to follow up on, but we want to surface it right now.
Starting point is 00:13:43 It's, you know, Malik Neighbors is a. high draft capital pick. You've got to spend a first round pick to get Malik Neighbors in a lot of leagues, maybe second round. And I'm still good with my recommendation, Mr. Neighbors, of just pop that toe off. I would not duplicate that
Starting point is 00:13:59 advice for your arm. Okay, thank you, Mike. Sean McDermott telling reporters he's confident James Cook will practice today, and he did, and that things have changed. It said that they had some discussions and conversations around the contract. So now he's back out there practicing. They
Starting point is 00:14:15 Yo-yo off-season of James Cook continues. Does that insinuate that he's about to have a contract come through? I don't know if I'd go that far. Or they said, you will not get a contract. And he said, oh. Or we'll work really hard. We'll continue to work hard, but we need you on the field. That's part of the equation getting ready for the season.
Starting point is 00:14:34 I don't know. I'm not there. And James Cook, he's playing by some new rules. You know, he could walk off. He could be walking off the practice field right now. Yeah. And we would not know. And that could be his thing.
Starting point is 00:14:46 Like, ah, you thought I was practicing. I do half practice. Yeah. You pay me half of what I deserve. I do half practice. The 49ers. Goodness gracious. You know, Brandon I, you on track to be back around week six.
Starting point is 00:15:01 That is a long time from now. That's why he's been off our board pretty much the whole off season. We knew that this was an injury. He was going to start on the pop. Which also, let me just throw this out there. Another player that we said, hey, maybe they'll get back for week one. that doesn't look like they'll be back for a while. Darno Mooney of the Falcons.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Yeah. He's also in this camp now where it's like. Yeah. Like last, didn't they say we hope to have them this season? Yeah. Well, that I mean the most recent comment was like,
Starting point is 00:15:26 yeah, he should be back at some point this season. Yeah, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what did back it up escalated quickly. But what I was getting to, Jordan Watkins, another wide receiver,
Starting point is 00:15:36 a rookie for the 49ers, is now out a month with a high ankle sprain. They currently have Ricky Pierceell back, who was hurt. John Jennings is hurt. Iyuk has hurt. Demarchus Robinson played in the preseason game. He should have a big role, but he's
Starting point is 00:15:50 probably going to get suspended. Jacob Cowing, hamstring, Wackens now, high ankle sprain, but that doesn't even speak of the running back room where they've lost Garindo and Jordan James, and now Amir Abdullah is on injured reserve. Oh my gosh, Abdullah. I mean,
Starting point is 00:16:06 he barely, it's like he walked off the plane and tripped down the thing off the plane, like the stairs. You guys remember an old Marty Short movie Pure Luck No we don't No we don't
Starting point is 00:16:18 Okay well everyone at home Just just enjoy how good that reference Maybe not everyone Maybe not everyone Maybe just Papa Josh I'm sure you remember that old This is when we were kids Kyle knows it
Starting point is 00:16:30 Thank you Okay Goodness gracious guys You got one Mike Come on he gets stung by the bee And he starts swelling But is the principle of this That does bad things keep happening to him
Starting point is 00:16:40 Okay He has unbullied The Pure Luck Oh I do remember Yeah, yeah, you do You do I will The bee
Starting point is 00:16:48 The bee sting reminded me Okay I'll wait for my hip-off That was the beginning of Glick Yes Jimmy Glick The 49ers The offseason
Starting point is 00:16:59 The injuries The I mean It's just year after year After year we go through this Listen Christian and George Stay in a bubble Okay You're the two most important
Starting point is 00:17:07 Fantasy assets there In San Francisco Don't even hang around people I was gonna say Both have been heard before Quite a bit So it's like, maybe practice somewhere else. Matthew Stafford, the latest word there,
Starting point is 00:17:18 Sean McVeigh saying the team will be, quote, flexible and fluid when dealing with him recovering from his back injury. That's kind of how we are with the deucers when they have to leave in the middle of the show for bathroom breaks. Right. We're flexible, they're fluid. Right. Yeah, defluiting.
Starting point is 00:17:37 He was supposed to practice on Monday but ended up being out. Look, it's all going to plan. It's the plan. The plan is that we're flexible. The theme of 2025 is. It really is. It's like plan. Instead of, you know, it's all glass half full.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Dude, I have a plan for about 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. today, guys. Then take a nap. Okay. Yeah, that's resting. You and Kenneth. That was news and notes. Sponsored by Progressive Insurance Quote today at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third-party insurers.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Not available in all states or situations covered subject to policy terms limits. and conditions. We'll take a break. We'll hit the countdown. All right. It is time for our countdown, the top 10 running backs by consensus rankings. We're looking at half-PPR rankings.
Starting point is 00:18:35 A reminder, all of our tiers and tier-based rankings are in the ultimate draft kit, along with customizable scoring, so you can import your league, printable cheat sheets that are compatible with your league. And again, that's on mobile. There's the new Value Scout tool, the draft analyzer, a lot of resources.
Starting point is 00:18:52 You can learn about that at UltimateDraftKit.com. Let's begin. Number 10. Well, he's healthy right now. Josh Jacobs, 27 years old, dominant season last year in Green Bay. I've got him at 8. Jason at 12.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Mike at 11 comes in at 10 in our consensus. being drafted as the running back nine right now, Josh Jacobs. Yeah, I don't mind it either. I mean, this is a guy who finished as the running back five last year. And if you look at how the season went along, there was a point last year after, you know, a quarter, a third of the season was in, where we were talking about Josh Jacobs not getting touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:19:31 It's hard to even remember, like, you know, he was like due for touchdowns because then they figured it out and he got a touchdown every single week. he was so consistent, so dominant. It's part of the reason why I've been kind of down on, Andrew, look, I've been kind of down on Jordan Love a little bit, just because what they did around the goal line was so effective with Josh Jacobs towards the end of last year.
Starting point is 00:19:58 If that were to continue, if that was the plan, they just figured out how to utilize his skill set and their offensive line scheme around the goal line where it was pretty much unstoppable. If that continued, Josh Jacobs would be a great pay. I don't have any problem. Like, I've got him a few spots below where his, you know, ADP is ranking-wise, but he can absolutely, like, I don't see him being drafted at his ceiling at running back. Well, the three checkboxes yesterday, right?
Starting point is 00:20:23 Touchdowns, workhorse role, winning team. Those all are there for Josh Jacobs. The fourth-most carries last year, fourth-most red zone touches, led the NFL, 14 rushing touchdowns inside the 10, so they went to him, like you said. And I think it's almost interesting that you, you know, you kind of brought up the fat Thor for a second. but if you look at what his resume is, that season where he played 13 games and it was a disaster for Las Vegas and he left the team,
Starting point is 00:20:48 that was very much the outlier of his career. And the offseason demand for Josh Jacobs and free agency showed that teams recognized that this just wasn't what Josh Jacobs was all about. You go back the year before he was the running back three and, you know, in Las Vegas, that team was not checking all the boxes. That was a magic season. Yeah, I mean, it was 17.8, fantasy.
Starting point is 00:21:10 points a game. But last year, back up to 16.2, his second highest of his career, two of the last three years, he's been just a fantasy force. So we know that potential. I don't feel like he's as, he's not James Cook in the touchdown regression fears because James Cook's workload is so much less. And there's so much more like history of not scoring in Buffalo and the three-headed monster there. They have other options. The fourth checkbox for me, if there was a fourth, which there isn't. We can add as many checkboxes as you want. Then the fourth checkbox is to have injury-prone, worthless backs behind you.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Yeah. I mean, there's no competent. Like, my worry about Josh Jacobs last year was that this is a system that has always been, you know, a time-share, a committee situation. And, you know, they've talked about that. Like, that's their preference. But you can't do that if you don't have the personnel. They can't go into the season and have a 50-50 time split here. They don't have the other running backs.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Marshawn Lloyd is made of the same stuff that Kendrae Miller is made of. It's like laughy-taffy. You just can't stay healthy. And so Josh Jacobs is going to be a workhorse back for a good offense. Yeah, my coming into the offseason, all my concerns were, does Marshaun Lloyd show why he was a third-round pick? Does it swing back for Green Bay where in 2023, 24% of their touchdowns were rushing touchdowns? And then that jumped all the way up to 45. this past year.
Starting point is 00:22:38 So it was like seeing what LaFleur has done with Jordan Love, they like to throw, they like when they're getting in closer, but now you have the Jordan Love injury to start, Marshawn Lloyd is hurt, they just signed, I don't know if you guys saw Tyrion Davis Price. Ah, a name from the past
Starting point is 00:22:55 from the relics of the San Francisco draft era. So like... Lord Tyrion. Yeah, they've added another running back because they're probably concerned about Lloyd. So I've gotten to the point where I'm with Jason if I'm slightly behind
Starting point is 00:23:10 the ADP but I don't mind Josh Jacobs as my RB1. Just said it with Jordan Love like they're favored in their first eight games of the season projected win total of nine and a half and a lot of the times I worry about backup running backs making
Starting point is 00:23:25 an impact win there's a reason for the team to go away from what happened last year. He played 17 games he could handle the workload. He had 344 opportunities which was 60 fewer than he had in Las Vegas when he played 17. So one of the true work horses, over 1,300 yards on the ground,
Starting point is 00:23:42 it was pretty incredible from week five on for them once they figured it out. And again, it was a little slower start. You say they figured it out. Part of that is just you're a brand new member of a brand new team. And part of it was the Jordan Love injuries from last year. He got hurt in week one, and then he sustained an injury a few weeks later that he played through, but it definitely affected how they were choosing to do things. All right, moving on.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Number nine. Chase Brown. Chase Brown comes in at number nine. I got him at 12. You guys both have them at eight. I think we're all excited for Chase Brown and the potential in that offense. You saw it last year. It was on display.
Starting point is 00:24:23 This was a player that leveled up from a talent perspective. We went into the season thinking, while they invested in Zach Moss, who had played well in Indianapolis. The team went into it thinking that Zach Moss was, he was the guy for the first couple of weeks. Yeah, snap counts for Chase Brown, 33%, 20%, 24%, those first three weeks, just three, four, and seven attempts on the ground.
Starting point is 00:24:44 He is not, he's not a prototypical, like, between the tackles workhorse. He's in Austin Echler. He absolutely is. He's capable between the tackles, but he can also be utilized. Like, he can have a game where he gets 10 or 11 carries, but still gives you a really nice fantasy day because of utilization in the passing game. What's crazy is he wasn't getting 10 or 11 carries when he became their starter. He was getting 17.7 carries a game. That's a 300 carry pace.
Starting point is 00:25:13 His last seven games played basically when Zach Moss went down. So Zach Moss goes down. This team got off to a slow start. They lost a ton of games and they tried to fix it and make the playoffs. Remember, they went on a great run towards the end of the season, won a bunch of games. That was, Chase Brown was a huge part of that. And as soon as that happened, you have Chase Brown on pace for 94 targets for over 1,200 rushing. over 600 receiving yards, a true dual threat back.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I care more about those. The targets. I mean, that is absolutely outrageous, and that's what I am going to project for the Cincinnati Bengals moving forward. Yes, Samanjay P. Ryan will take some snaps away from Chase Brown. They do not want him at 85% snaps. That's an insane, insane number. Remember, they added Clayle Herbert at the end of the year,
Starting point is 00:26:05 and they'd already lost Moss, lost backup players, like, I don't know, was it Kyron that ended up having those kind of snap counts for, like, three or four years ago? Massive? Both last year and the year before, Kyran's had unbelievable work. You don't generally see snap counts in the 90s. No, no. That was Kyron. It was basically Kyron, Christian McCaffrey. So to your point about, like, taking some snaps here and there, that makes sense. But this is their guy. You will get games. Like, I mean, you would expect three to four targets as your
Starting point is 00:26:36 floor for him. And then you have ceiling games where it just works out that this is how the Bengals are going to attack the defense. And Chase Brown is going to have eight or nine receptions. And he just, it There's a fourth checkbox here. What's that?
Starting point is 00:26:52 Somaget P. Rine is the main backup. Somaget P.Royne five years ago. And when they get close to the goal line, they just keep throwing. So give me the receiving back. yeah and let's let's hope that I mean this to be fair
Starting point is 00:27:07 the only thing in the back of my head tucked away hidden is they constantly gave Somaget P Ryan work when Joe Mixin was supposed to be on the field in their playoff run but this is two years three years removed they've got to be smart about it but we expect that
Starting point is 00:27:23 Joe Mixin is one of the things that gives me even more faith than Chase Brown of Joe Mixin was their guy I mean for years and years and years it didn't matter how inefficient. Was Joe Mixen having a great game? Was Joe Mixen having one of his stinkers of a game? It didn't matter. They still kept going to him. How early is too early to draft him if you're in love with Chase Brown? He's the
Starting point is 00:27:44 RB12 off the board. You guys have him at eight. What I love is that his ADP is in the third. That is spectacular. I would take him in the second. Okay. Keep it in the third people. Yeah. Mock draft season. Don't pull the trigger on Chase Brown. Draft season. Manipulate the market. Yeah. we're not managed by the you know you should have sent travion Henderson a note to you know keep it under control in the preseason because he's hurting the ADP a little bit he really is all right this is a big name to talk about number eight bucky Irving comes in at number eight we all have him slightly below ADP just a tiny bit just a tiny tiny bit I love love love Tampa Bay. I love the offense. I love Baker. I love the stability. I love the fact
Starting point is 00:28:35 that you have a system that has worked to produce big numbers year after year. And I absolutely was blown away on a weekly basis by what Bucky Irving was doing out there on the field. He was the RB 7 from week 10 on when his takeover really
Starting point is 00:28:50 came to fruition. We, you know, Rashad White's got the groin injury right now. Sean Tucker's talented. I don't know what kind of work he's really going to get because they've been talking about Sean Yeah, they have. Talented for three years. But, you know, you look at the 46 running backs with 100 plus carries on the season.
Starting point is 00:29:08 He was fifth in yards per carry. Seventh in explosive rush rate. Seventh among all running backs and rush success rate. Third and fourth missed tackles per attempt. There is a world, and it's not one we're predicting by putting him at eight. But there's a world where BKirving is, you know, you get six, seven, eight weeks into the season and we're like, he's sitting at RB3. Yeah, it could happen. And you're like, man, that is that dude.
Starting point is 00:29:30 the talent he showed on film last year absolutely says he could do that if he gets the workload and if he can handle the workload now there's three good backs here right now rashad white is a little injured so maybe you get off to a hotter start to begin the year and give bucky a huge workload i think that bucky is good enough to be a lashon mccoy type of player where he could be a fantasy you know game wrecker on as a smaller back with high volume but There's always the worry I have in the back of my mind. It's a hundred and ninety-five pound back. You know, he had a game where he had 28 opportunities and dominated.
Starting point is 00:30:08 He was the running back one. He had 152 yards, you know, 6.1 yards of carry. He was awesome. And he didn't miss the next game, but he got. He left that game. Looked like he was prepping for a sarcophagus. He was mummied up. He was full wrapped.
Starting point is 00:30:25 And then the next game, he plays 16% of snaps, gets five total opportunities. And because he was just, he took too much damage for a hundred and ninety five pound back. Which I think he spent a lot of the offseason has been a focal point, is getting stronger, getting, getting the body capable of handling that kind of a workload. He wants to be that guy. What would you put your odds that he finishes the top five back? He's being drafted as the eighth back off the board. Give me a percentage chance.
Starting point is 00:30:54 Top five? Top five. I'll go, I feel like it's 15%. yeah i'm more like in the 30 i was going to go about 20 25 okay when we look at the three check boxes of you know are you a workhorse do you get the touchdowns are you on a winning team like the team is good we're not sure if he's a true workhorse back here if the volume will truly be there with three other backs and then three targets he averaged three targets a game and that was you know it even with a slower start the the fact that he was a fourth round running
Starting point is 00:31:28 running back, who's the incumbent took like every snap. I mean, Rashad's White, Rashad White's superpower when he was good for fantasy was he just was there all the time for a fourth rounder to steal the job, not from an injury to Rashad White, just because Bucky was so much better that is, that speaks highly. Where did Rashad White end up finishing last year? Was it like 18 or something? White was still very relevant because he. 24.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Because he catches so much passes. So, I mean, you had, you had Bucky at just over three targets a game, and then you have Rashad White at 3.6 targets a game. Yep. Yeah. So, Bucky Irving at 8. Number 7. Devon H.N.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Devon H.N. He comes in at number seven. This is a very unique analysis situation to me. He was the R.B.7 last year. It was impressive. he could handle the workload he didn't you know injuries were a concern in the rookie season when he was so explosive and then missed time he's 23 years old we all have him right where he's being drafted almost on the dot jason one spot higher the past catching work is
Starting point is 00:32:43 unbelievable the targets are worth a lot more than the carries and you know this was the number one running back reception leader in the game the running back room is thinning out. I mean, Alexander Madison who was making waves in camp now out for the season. Jalen Wright, not sure that he's going to be trustworthy enough. He certainly wasn't last year. And then Ollie
Starting point is 00:33:08 Gordon, you know, this is a rookie. So it's definitely all on. Was Ollie Gordon's seventh round? Yeah, he fell. I mean, maybe sixth. But he, you know, Devon H. He has, he has the workload. I don't know how good
Starting point is 00:33:27 this team will end up with the offensive line situation. I don't think that matters. Yeah, my chips are all in. I don't think it matters if the dolphins are good or not because where Devon Achan thrives is the passing game. What matters is if Tua is there. When Tua is gone, so is Devon A chan. That's the risk. That's the worry. If you look at the splits with and without Tua, when Tua was gone, we kind of explained this when he went down. The whole defense is like, okay, now I'm stacking the line and you're not dumping it off. to Devon A. Chan, he basically disappeared 7.7 fantasy points per game in those games without
Starting point is 00:34:03 Tua. But when Tua was there, six and a half targets per game, 19.5, 19.5 fantasy points per game. For context, Derek Henry last year was 19.2. And, you know, he had 700 rushing touchdowns. So this is a player who, in my opinion, in my strategy, if I'm there where he's being drafted and he's on the, you know, he's available, I'm grabbing him. Yep. I believe he has the potential to be top three running back. He will have the workload. There isn't a depth chart here with, you know, with Alexander Madison getting that
Starting point is 00:34:39 season ending injury, the Ollie Gordon and the Jalen Wright, like, I'm not worried about them. He's going to have extreme ballroom. Tyree Gil says you should be. Well, Tyra Gill says you should be worried around the goal on, but the past catching work, with Jonu Smith gone in that area of the field who already had almost, I think he had 100 targets. This is, this guy's just going to get nonstop wide receiver PPR numbers. Yeah, they tried Jen and right four times on the goal line in preseason week one, and
Starting point is 00:35:05 they didn't work. So they may need to either throw it around there and let Achan stay in the game on the field. It's wild, though, just the risk of it not being just, does Achan get hurt, but like two are getting hurt. You know, look at Josh Jacobs. You have Jordan love go out. Of course the offense doesn't work as well, but Josh Jacobs is going to have so much work. Like we're going to counterbalance the
Starting point is 00:35:35 efficiency of the offense with volume. With H.N. If two it goes out, then it's just you are sad. It just shows, I mean, he only had, he had three rushing touchdowns on 15 attempts inside the five. So it's straight up. It's straight up did not work. It did not
Starting point is 00:35:51 work inside. I mean, if he... I don't think it would work with a different back, though. That offensive line is so bad. Well, I mean, maybe a slightly more talented, bigger back it would work, but the line is terrible. I'm just saying like if they had succeeded, like if he had succeeded inside the five, it's not like the opportunities weren't there. You're talking about a player that would have finished higher than RB7 last year. You talked about the points per game numbers. He would be the complete package if you could get inside the end zone when they have those goal line opportunities.
Starting point is 00:36:18 But he feels very, very safe this year. Number six. All right. It's preseason bust. Ashton Ginty. Negative. He's a turd. 21 years old.
Starting point is 00:36:32 I've got him at four, Mike at five, Jason, at seven. His ADP is five. And so our consensus rank is six. You know, you saw him briefly in the first week. And,
Starting point is 00:36:45 you know, we're going to see a lot more of him over the course of the season. First round running backs traditionally, they dominate, they crush for fantasy football. You know, I think as the season,
Starting point is 00:36:54 get started. I do think you're going to see Rahim Moster on third down quite often. That seems to be the plan right now for the Raiders. But, you know, do you see Genty as any sort of like bust risk at all? Yeah. I mean, so he's certainly a bust risk because we've never seen him on the field of, you know, in NFL games. He played for a college program that was, you know, he's not in the SEC. He's not facing the, the extreme. awesome talent, but he is drafted where he was in the NFL for a reason. I don't think he will fail as an NFL player at all, at all. He is as locked as you can be at the running back position. But for fantasy purposes, where he's being drafted, you know, you talk about those three
Starting point is 00:37:40 checkboxes. Is he going to be a workhorse? Absolutely. He'll have the workload. That is a guarantee for where they drafted him and what the depth chart says. Will he have the touchdown opportunities? I don't know if this offense in a tough division, you know, they're currently, you know, slated for six and a half wins in Vegas. Yeah, they're underdogs, by the way, for six the first seven weeks. So, you know, he doesn't check all the boxes and you haven't seen it yet. The reason he's this high is because as a prospect, what you're hoping for is one of those generational players who can finish as the running back one simply because he is that good.
Starting point is 00:38:20 you're betting on the talent you know that the opportunity will be there but the team is what scares me yeah they were uh the worst running game in the NFL last year which you know not surprising when you look at what they had in the backfield combined with the offensive line play but and the quarterback play and all the play of all the players um but that you're looking at rejuvenation here in Las Vegas and you you're going to need them to to put it together on a weekly basis but I think that's the plan I think the plan is to give them that every opportunity to exactly what you'd want in fantasy. Yeah, you hope that with Chip Kelly and, you know, this team wants to run the ball
Starting point is 00:38:59 and have a fast pace of play. So there's some good things here, but the bad things. You look at Josh Jacobs, who clearly still has it. Last time we saw him with the Raiders, with that offensive line two years ago, he was not good. He was inefficient. Last year, 32nd best team at running the ball. I mean, Zemir White. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:15 But, you know, but my point is Josh Jacobs is really good and he sucked there. So I don't know that this offensive line and that the system is really improved enough. Three new starters. And like I said, they're going to start up. You know, you go to New England in week one. You're going to play against the Chargers in week two, Washington, week three, Chicago week four,
Starting point is 00:39:33 on the road again in week five. I do think it might be a little bit. Now, he can put me wrong. You can go out and have 260-yard touchdowns on week one. But it might start a little slow. Like I said, working in Rahim Mosterd a little bit and the matchups to begin the year, I think we'll get there for Gentie.
Starting point is 00:39:48 I love Gentie. I mean, I've got them at seven. But when I look at the draft and how it goes, I feel like where Gentie's going in the first round, if you were to take a wide receiver there, one of the elite studs at wide receiver, and then you, you know, just on, you know, later in the second, you get A-chan or you get Josh Jacobs.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I don't know that you're really sacrificing much. No, that's a good point. And that's the decision-making you're going to have to make in your drafts. I will say this. What's stopping that is, people, it's fun to draft Ash and Genty. Yeah, that's part of it. The excitement that you might have the next greatest of all time.
Starting point is 00:40:26 Might be a yacht. Right. Right. No, it's true. All right, we'll take a break and we'll get into the top five. Back into the running back rankings we go. Number five. Derek Henry.
Starting point is 00:40:44 Back again. Long live the king. Long live the king. You're talking about the number two running back in fantasy last year. Just ho-hum, 19.2 fantasy points a game. He is the player that if you doubt him, you pay the price. That has been the story for, what, three years now of, you know, three years of doubt because he had the injury in 2021,
Starting point is 00:41:08 missed eight games, the shoe finally dropped, right? It was like, oh, boy, this is the end. He follows that up basically playing every game in the last three seasons and finishing top eight for three straight seasons. And now is on a way better offense with a better offense of line than he ever remembered in Tennessee. Yeah, this is, the age is the only concern, and I'm not concerned. Some people are, not some people, some person is built differently. It's Derek Henry.
Starting point is 00:41:41 He's not a regular human being. No, he's not. I think it's fair to be slightly concerned about the age, but that will not stop me from drafting Derek Henry. Do you guys remember after week one where it was, the game against the Kansas City Chiefs, Derek Henry's debut, he only gets 13 carries, his runs for three and a half yards.
Starting point is 00:42:06 He got the touchdown, so he saved the Fantasy Day. And then after that was the presser with Harbaugh, we didn't bring Derek Henry in here to just give him all, A billion carries and I don't know if he was playing some media rope-a-dope with his week-to-match-up because from then on out, you have like so many games of 20-plus carries. It was the highest, like you could argue it was his most consistent season ever. He only had 6% bus games and 81% good. How many, like, how many great teams has Derek Henry been a part of?
Starting point is 00:42:44 What do you mean? As in like for, like when he was on Tennessee, how many years of where they are top-notch team? The Titans were great. Zero. The Titans were great back. Zero. I mean, I don't know if it was zero. Never a Super Bowl contender. I think they had a couple. They may have. My point, the point being of you put Derek Henry, even at this age, on a team that is the number one seed that is going to win. Wait, they were in a number one seed, the Titans? Well, they won the division a bunch of times. Maybe not number one in the whole conference. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:16 But my point being, that was probably, if I had to look at the, and just guess, I'm going to guess like 2019 or 2020. I'm going to guess 2020, just based off of when they were good. Look, the point is, Baltimore is great. They will be leading far more than they will be trailing. And when they're leading, it will be Derek Henry salting the game away and scoring so many rushing touchdowns. Yeah, then Kyle said they were the number. one seed overall. That was one. I remember one year where he was in the MVP race as a running back,
Starting point is 00:43:52 so it must have been that season. But yeah, he's he is that dude. Yeah, Frable got, Frable got him going a little bit. They were 12 and 5 in 2021. Yeah, look, this is just a perfect match. Baltimore. Yeah, 2020, told you. Baltimore, Derek Henry, perfect match. Same, I mean, Baltimore's in the running to be a Super Bowl change. 11 and a half wins favored in most of their games so very exciting and you know keaton mitchell they need people to spell derrick henry here and there but it's not going to impact where we rank him number four jemir gibbs 23 years old entering the prime prime time jimir gibbs last year number
Starting point is 00:44:37 three overall i've got him at three mic at four jason at five he is the most fun player to watch get an opportunity and fantasy, in my opinion, because they can all go to the house. He was number one, an explosive rush rate. 10% of his carries were 15 plus yards. So 10% of the time, I thought he was going to score. I had no Gibbs. I had no shares of Gibbs last year.
Starting point is 00:45:01 Just, you know, it was unfortunate. That's how the chips fell. And whenever I was playing against Gibbs, it was a terrible time. It's a nightmare. You're watching the Lions game. And every time he touches. the ball just watching through fingers like a like there's a horror film on like no no don't let him touch it so many they barely clipped his foot because if that and if that defender didn't get
Starting point is 00:45:27 that one tiny clip he's gone for 50 yards yeah i think the story with gibbs we've talked about it a lot so you know i doubt we need to focus on it too much but it's just how much work does Monty get? Yep. That's everything for Jamir Gibbs. And is there any step back offensive line-wise with the departure of Frank Ragnow? They're all pro center and they lost an offensive guard. Do they put it together without Ben Johnson? I don't have any doubt
Starting point is 00:45:56 that Jamir Gibbs can make something out of nothing on any play. It's just a matter of your confidence level in those factors. I think when you're talking about the best of the best backs in the league of which Jamir Gibbs clearly is, what you really want to look at is how does it go wrong? You know, okay, injury for any running back, take that out. Does the offense take a significant step back without their offensive coordinator and their, you know, all-world center? I think that that could happen this year.
Starting point is 00:46:26 That's my fear for Gibbs. But if that happens and he then ends up at the same time as the lines take a step backwards, if that forces Gibbs to get more work over David Montgomery because they're like, hey, this isn't working. We've got to put our best player out there. It'll probably kind of stay the same. I do think for Gibbs to truly match this draft cost, you know, he's basically drafted as the second or third running back usually. I feel like David Montgomery has to get close to vanishing. If David Montgomery goes out there and gets 10 touchdowns and plays
Starting point is 00:47:05 the majority of the season, Gibbs is not going to hurt you at all, but he's not going to be that number one, number two running back. Ten touchdowns would be a problem. But if he becomes, if Monty becomes the Algier in the situation for Beijon, then I'm more excited.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Gibbs averaged 3.7 targets per game, and that includes two weeks of zero targets. Like, he's an absolute, it's like A-Chair. He's just an animal when it comes to receptions. Absolutely. Number three.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Well, this guy's at three. I didn't realize where he ended up, but it's perfect. It's because that's where Jason has him at three. Mike's got him at one. I've got him at six. It's Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey, Christian McCaffrey, Christian McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:47:50 I don't like talking about Christian McCaffrey. It's not fun. We've done it a lot. We've done it a whole lot. This is a team projected to win a lot of games favored in their first four matchups. We know this sort of McCaffrey. He was league winner for two years,
Starting point is 00:48:06 league loser for three of the last five seasons. It's a tall task to ask a player that has been injured frequently to play 17 and give you 300 plus opportunities. If he plays 17 and you get less than that amount of opportunities, I don't think he's
Starting point is 00:48:22 worth the number three pick. If he is healthy and they give him all those opportunities, he will be the number one running back in football. So that's your equation. It's a risk-reward situation. You know, the rhetoric is Mike's very much playing to win. He says, don't play scared.
Starting point is 00:48:40 I think you have alternates to also win in this draft cost, so I don't take that approach. But he is the player that if he plays 17 and gets over 300 carries or 300 opportunities, he will probably be the number one running back. You do not need Christian McCaffrey to win a fantasy championship. You can win it plenty of other ways. if you don't want to deal with what we have dealt with three of the last five years in his injury, don't.
Starting point is 00:49:04 And I wouldn't even say that you're playing scared. You could say you're playing wise because you don't need him to win. However, if he plays last time he played two years ago, he wasn't good. He was in 47% of championship games. It was just super easy to get a championship if you had Christian McCaffrey. So he's like a cheat code. sometimes so you know it feels less like playing scared and more like gambling like i'm i'm playing the you know the the lotto and i got some pretty good like if if the lottery if you could go
Starting point is 00:49:43 out there and get a scratcher ticket and you had a 33% chance of winning i mean okay i look if mcalfrey was a you know if he stayed late second i mean he obviously would be a home run because I'd already have another running back on my roster that I could lean on. Mike is as bullish as one can be for Christian McCaffrey. He gets picked in the first round and never league. It just, it's that of, like, if he
Starting point is 00:50:10 if he's healthy, he's multiple points better than the running back too. Did you care about any of the games last year coming back from the Achilles and not giving you the fantasy numbers that you would have hoped for? I didn't. Because there were four games, I think, three and a half before the Buffalo injury.
Starting point is 00:50:25 It was definitely a slower start. And then in the Buffalo game when he finally got knocked out of the season. It's like, oh, there he is. There's Christian. It is the insane Sequin Barclay year of last year. 2,000 rushing yards, 13 rushing touchdowns,
Starting point is 00:50:42 you know, a bunch of receptions. Christian McCaffrey, and just two years ago, was a full point per game better than Sequin Barclay was last year. And like, people are like the Barclay season. Like, don't forget what Christian McCaffrey can do. The
Starting point is 00:50:57 schedule for San Francisco is very favorable. They're projected to win 10 and a half games. They're favored in 15 of 17 games and their running back schedule is one of the easiest. So it it's the injury. If you want to bet that he's going to get hurt
Starting point is 00:51:14 then don't draft him. Dude, if I can get him at the turn, if I can get him at 201, 202, I think there will be home leagues out there where it does happen. I don't think so, man. I think every time push comes to shove. It will happen. Push comes to shove. Someone's going to be like,
Starting point is 00:51:31 I don't know. Taking that. No, because there's a lot of someone's, at least three in the last five years, that have been burned. So you might have three people. Not true. In our league, it's all the same man. One guy three times. That is the irony of the thing, you know? Yeah, Mike should be the one
Starting point is 00:51:47 stopping. Yeah, you no, because they're running backs. They all get hurt. He's getting a tattoo this afternoon. He likes, he likes pain. Hey, like, you know, remember when Frank Gore was injury prone. Remember when Matt Forte was injury prone? Yeah, but those don't count, man.
Starting point is 00:52:03 Those don't count? They don't count because they're not doing what Christian McCaffrey's doing, which is every other year for his whole career. These are league losing seasons. These are break your team at half. Those are not like. Like Frank Gore was injury prone for a couple years and then went on a like decade long.
Starting point is 00:52:19 Not while he was the number one picking the fantasy like three times. I get both sides. I'm going to draft him. All right. Number two. Sequin Barclay, it was a magical year. The question for fantasy players is... Remember when Saquan Barclay was injury prone?
Starting point is 00:52:34 That's way more fair. That is actually feels... Because he was the number one pick in drafts and then didn't play. Three devastating injuries in a row. He had missed most of 2020. And then he missed three games in 2021. I just said like, but he was really bad in 2021
Starting point is 00:52:54 because he kept getting hurt. Okay. Yeah. Last year, 21.2 fantasy points per game. We have them at number two. None of us have them in the number one slot. That slot belongs to Mr. Indestructible. He just won you your league. He should do very similar things in Philadelphia,
Starting point is 00:53:17 but also that was, you know, he was not at that level in any recent history. You've got to put, you know, the big place, the 60-plus yard touchdowns, you know, that type of stuff. That's hard to bet on. But 66% of his- He's the one you bet on it, though. 66% of his rushing yards came before contact. If you remember Kenneth Walker yesterday, 71% of his came after contact. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:44 That is called, this is why. That's called not fair. That's why DeAndre Swift looked very good in Philadelphia. You got an offensive line rank number one. They are dealing with a little bit of injury concern right now with Dickerson. They got great news, though. Landon Dickerson looked like he was going to miss the season, and now he's hopeful for week one. So he'll be playing the majority of the season.
Starting point is 00:54:04 So, you know, we're at the point in the countdown where you're just splitting hairs over players. I think you can take take one number one if you want to. Sure. That's fine. It's going to be great. Yeah, he belongs in the conversation. If he stays healthy, I mean, this is coming off of 417 opportunities. That is a lot of workload on the body.
Starting point is 00:54:25 You know, it's ironic because Christian McCaffrey, we always want to say whatever happens last year happens next year but it's almost the opposite in reality you know wide receiver ones the wide receiver one almost never finishes as the wide receiver won the next year and you can't just predict that but a lot of these guys when they come off of a hefty workload season they struggle with injuries the next year it's ironic that christian mccaffrey's coming off a very low uh you know workload season well that's that's one of the reasons why i don't have macaffrey locked in at number one is because The season he had the year before, before he got hurt and hurt you, was also an outlier season in terms of overall performance. Like, I think it's going to regulate a little bit. And so, you know, I have him buried at six. You can't, you can't, other than worrying about Sequan's workload being bad from last year,
Starting point is 00:55:14 there's nothing to criticize the passing volume is the criticizing point. Like, oh, he didn't catch many passes, and that's moot. because the reason he didn't catch many passes is because he scored so many first half touchdowns that they didn't throw the ball. If he's not scoring a bunch of touchdowns in the first half, they'll throw the ball more and he'll catch more.
Starting point is 00:55:35 So he's just awesome. I worry about the age of workload. Number one. You don't worry about the age of Bejohn Robinson who comes in at number one overall for our consensus rankings. Number two for Mike. It was our before last year.
Starting point is 00:55:51 He had the highest success rate ever for a running back with 250 plus carries. He is game script proof. He can catch the football. I would love to see more big plays from Bejohn. That is something that we didn't get a lot of. That was why Sequan was so much more exciting and more fun. And Gibbs for that way.
Starting point is 00:56:09 Like Sequin and Gibbs were much more fun in terms of, you know, the big plays, the week-winning weeks. I think Sequan had, what, like 30-plus fantasy points. How many times did he do that? He had it five times. 30 plus fantasy points. So look, it's cool to finish number one on the week. It's cooler to score 30 plus and win your entire week for your fantasy team.
Starting point is 00:56:30 But Bejohn with the age, the dependency on him, the fact that, you know, no matter what this team does, he's involved. Yeah, it looks like he had one carry over, one carry over 30 yards. Are they underdogs in their first six weeks? Is that right? Yeah, not favored in a game until week eight because of week five by. so yeah you're correct there he might not have one of the checkboxes he might not have one of the checkboxes
Starting point is 00:56:58 number one draft pick I will say this Bijon finishing as the running back one where we have him ranked feels like a slightly lower percentage than some of these other guys we've just talked about but Bijon finish finishing at you know running back eight or ten you know having a bad season feels
Starting point is 00:57:18 so minuscule compared to all these other people that we've talked about. So he is really a, he's a floor play that is so safe to me. He still is going to be awesome. He's going to be a top five running back. But he's, he might not be on a great team. And that might hinder his total touchdown opportunities. But every single time he touches the ball, he creates yards that other players wouldn't. They give him the ball so much. If they're down, they'll throw it to him. His four plus targets a game. Yeah, there's, there's no worry and no risk. The alternate side does exist, though. If Michael
Starting point is 00:57:53 Pinnock comes out in his, is that dude, and all of a sudden they do, they go out and win 12 games, Bejohn's probably the running back one. Yeah, I just looked, I'm looking at my projections and, you know, you're always splitting hairs at the top, but sometimes there's a gap, right? That's why we have tier base ranking.
Starting point is 00:58:10 I don't have a gap. I don't have a gap between Bijon, Sequin, and Gibbs. Like, I took a half a touchdown. I just did this for experimental sake. I took half a touchdown and from my projection for Bejohn Robinson because I had him at 11 and a half. When I drop him to 11, he goes from number one to number three. Half a touchdown separates Saquan, Gibbs, and Robinson. If you told me I went into my draft and my selection was a wheel that had pie slices for all three of these guys, I would not care.
Starting point is 00:58:40 I really wouldn't. I think all three of them, there's an upside case for all of them, right? Seekwon keeps doing what he's doing on the best offensive line. Jemir Gibbs, Camp seems to be like this is. his team now, and he showed he can be the number one back when he gets it, gets all the work and has big play potential. And Bijon, like you said, like if they're above 500 team even, not even a super team, and above 500 team, there's no way they get that way, get there without Bijan. And he can score 16, 17, 18 touchdowns in the right
Starting point is 00:59:08 season. So, yeah, I'm really, I agree completely. I personally would also include, or Christian McCaffrey. I would put Henry and Christian McCaffrey all in that. Yeah. To me, well, Christian McCaffrey has a lot more issues. The reason why you're saying in the beginning of the first round, you're not going to draft Christian McCaffrey is because even like Mike, you've got him as the running back one. But there's no doubt he carries more risk or flags than some of these other guys who can, you know, have an equal chance of finishing as the running back one. So like I wouldn't select Christian McCaffrey over, you know, those guys in the tier, but he is in that tier of, you know, range of outcomes. Yeah, I think McCaffrey and Saquan is the most interesting discussion with the ceiling years, right? Because McCaffrey's super year was 22 points in game. Last year was basically, that's basically where Saquan was. So do you expect either guy to come back and give you a year like that again? Certainly possible.
Starting point is 01:00:07 But it's going to be fun. It's going to be, you know, holding your breath, hoping that these guys stay healthy. That's another big part of it. Yeah, last year was a pretty. other than Chris McAverry, it was a pretty healthy year for running backs. We need to get into this. I mean, Mike has the number one overall pick in our league
Starting point is 01:00:26 of record. Yeah, yeah. He has got, now it's a keeper league, so there are... He's already got Christian McCaffrey, of course. He has Christian McCaffrey on your roster. Yeah, why do you think I got the number one pick, guys? There are... Oh my gosh. You think there's not correlated? You need to go to counseling.
Starting point is 01:00:41 No, he's got to choose between Bijon and... That's funny, right? It is so funny, right? Because Mike has dealt with this every year with Christian McCaffrey. His response to dying at the knife, at the dagger jab of Christian McCaffrey is I want to feel more pain. He really is Ricky Bobby. Or redeem it. Is this a redemption thing? Is this like you lose the bet at the poker
Starting point is 01:01:03 table, so double down? And then you get all your money back? It is understanding that every single workhorse running back is at potential of a season ending injury every single game. I agree. No. So, but you have to stare down, Sequin. and Bijon. Yeah. Those are the guys out there on the board. A lot of other players are kept.
Starting point is 01:01:22 You will be making that decision. You're making that choice and who are you taking? Well, I'm told that Robinson is guaranteed to play 17 games. So I've got to counterbalance my McCaffrey risk with someone who's going to be there. Don't play scared. Yeah, don't play scared. Come on, man. All right, there you go.
Starting point is 01:01:39 There's our top 10 running backs. We've got a top 10 tips and tricks episode coming to you tomorrow. We've got a mock draft episode on Thursday. The people are hungry for the mock drafts. And we've got a My Guys announcement to make on Friday. So the My Guys episode hits on Friday. We got them locked in. Unless something else happens in practice or camp or, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:05 Dante Pettis or something like that goes on. We're pretty well locked. But that's coming on Friday. So it's a big week. I know some of you are already drafting this weekend. Make sure you're prepared. We got the UDK for Life giveaway, Ultimate DraftKit.com, pick it up. Get ready for your drafts this weekend.
Starting point is 01:02:21 It's going to be a difference maker for you. Sorry to Keanu Reeves. We'll get you on next time. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join thefoot.com. And follow us on Twitter at the FF Ballers. Thank you.

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