Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Top 10 Running Backs + Late Round Steals - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/8

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

Top 10 RB Rankings and draft sleepers! On today’s fantasy football podcast, a number of players that can be true difference makers in 2023! How to choose between them? Plus, what impact will Kareem ...Hunt have on the Saints? Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for August 8th, 2023. Dive into the 2023 Ultimate Draft Kit + Draft Analyzer! UltimateDraftKit.com Connect with the Fantasy Footballers Podcast: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on Twitter Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:04 Tuesday, August 8th. Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Happy to be with you. This show wouldn't exist without the Ducers. They're here. Al Borland, Judge Giamatti in the building. Kyle somewhere on the microphone.
Starting point is 00:02:25 Sprinting back to the microphone. Bathroom, kitchen, napping. We don't really know anymore. Where in the world is Kyle Borgannoni? We used to keep a close eye on him here in the studio and now he's remote on the show and it's just a mystery.
Starting point is 00:02:41 He could be doing anything. He could be pre-recording. I mean, there could be stuff programmed in to say and he might not even be there i'm gonna see if anyone on fiverr does carmen san diego riffs and i can get where in the world is kyle borgannoni that would be something you would do um gonna make a note what was the name of that band uh rockapella thank you thank you very much that was really their peak and he had oh yeah the rockapella guy had the little uh oh it's incredible we have like double ponytails yeah behind the mullet yeah they are a mullet ponytail combo i do not remember this oh dude
Starting point is 00:03:17 you gotta you gotta look them up it's incredible and the, apparently there was like a brand new member right before that happened. So a guy was committed to the art of acapella with his group Rockapella, and he just couldn't take it anymore. So he bailed out, and then they land Carmen Sandiego. Oh, man. Whoops. That was – glad you're listening, everyone out there. We got a busy show today.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Top 10 running back rankings. Continuing the countdown. Going to share some deeper running back picks as well at the top of the show. And then it'll be all Rockapella from here on out. That'll be it. No problem with me. UltimateDraftKid.com. We're on X, formerly Twitter, at the FFBallers.
Starting point is 00:04:11 The community, jointhefoot.com, and the website's thefantasyfootballers.com. A quick question, like I said, we're doing these top 20 countdowns at each position. Today we're at the top 10 running backs. I'm sure we'll have some good debates, but I wanted to know a running back well outside the top 20 rankings that you're kind of excited about this season.
Starting point is 00:04:35 And, you know, one of the players that I brought up recently is James Cook, who's running with the ones in Buffalo, and I've been excited about him. It's not the name I'm going to mention here. I'm starting to cool off on James Cook. Oh, that's too bad. I was telling Jason this morning, like I was talking to a couple of the people that cover Buffalo,
Starting point is 00:04:58 and I was asking him about what these training camp practices are looking like. In particular, you know, the area that i think is going to be a huge weakness for james cook is going to be you know opportunities to score touchdowns their full goal line um reps are half damian harris and half latavius murray and so that's not good and so if you combine those guys which they're going to be more capable than james cook in that area. Murray has just been really good on the goal line for teams,
Starting point is 00:05:30 even when he's perceived over the hill. But then Josh Allen's a goal line back. Of course. So I'm worried about James Cook being a pretty high finisher in fantasy, but a really rough ride. And so I'm cooling a little bit on his fantasy opportunities. But the name I'd bring up right now is Brian Robinson. Boo. Yeah, that's exactly why.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Thank you, Mike. You played right into my hands. No. You're the voice of public opinion or the boos of public opinion. We are the voice of accuracy. No, I mean, Brian Robinson will 100% be a steal on your draft. Brian Robinson is the starting running back for the Washington Commanders. You want to talk about Antonio Gibson because he's, like, sexy.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Look, he comes out and says, I'm going to be the third down guy. I'm going to be the JD McKissick, which is great. I mean, I think that has a valuable fantasy role. Brian Robinson is going to have a ton of work. Over the final five weeks last year, he was 4.5 a carry. He was on pace for 329 carries and 1,500 rushing yards. He was recovering from a gunshot wound. Camp reports are great, and there is no debate on the fact that he's the starter.
Starting point is 00:06:40 So I want to bring it up because he's the least sexy pick you could ever have. He's a ninth-round draft pick. I saw Brooks nodding in the background. Are you in on Brian Robinson? Hey, and that late in the draft, sure. I mean, this is the RB36 off the board. And so I just think he's going to be one of those guys that has a, you know, he doesn't have a super high ceiling because he's not going to catch a ton of passes.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Although training camp reports have talked about him being more versatile, working a lot on the passing down work. We just talked yesterday. Not a lot of third downs necessarily, 20% of plays. There's going to be passing opportunities on first and second down. However, it's just total volume. Like if we're talking about volume and you have to spend, what's Najee Harris? What's that pick?
Starting point is 00:07:26 Probably second, third rounder. So your second, third rounder for Najee Harris on a bad offense that we say is going to have a bunch of opportunities. He'll catch more passes than Brian Robinson, but the touchdown opportunity is a third touchdown opportunities will be there for Brian Robinson.
Starting point is 00:07:41 And then you, you draft them in the ninth round. So I think he's just discount nausea. I am happy that you're bringing his name up because we haven't spoken well of Brian Robinson. He is seen more so as just a guy, an average NFL athlete. He's got a good pedigree. He comes from Bama, but he was kind of buried behind people
Starting point is 00:08:02 and wasn't a prolific prospect. That being said, he is the starter. He will touch the ball more than Antonio Gibson, a player that we have talked up. So it's good to get the name out there because unless he gets shot again. Yeah, I'll throw that out for all of the players. Thank you. Yeah, I think it's one of those things where I'm going to try to avoid if someone before the season or before I draft does get shot, I'll probably avoid them in my draft.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Okay. The player I want to bring up is a guy I really liked as a prospect. I think he was my number four rookie running back before the NFL draft. And that's Tank Bigsby. We have brought his name up as a problem for Travis Etienne right that that is what takes the only context he's really been brought up in right he's a thorn in the heel of uh you know of a great player but I think Tank Bigsby actually has a chance to be relevant this This is a player that is, I mean, you want to talk about what round you're getting him in.
Starting point is 00:09:07 You could probably get him when your draft is over or in your last round. You know, I think on average right now he's like 13th round. He's one of those guys that will go drafted in some leagues and not drafted in others. But he's been dominating camp. And not that he's been playing better than Etienne. Etienne's been great too in camp. Etienne's been playing better than Etienne. Etienne's been great, too, in camp. Etienne has been doing goal line work, scoring touchdowns. But Tank Bigsby's been awesome.
Starting point is 00:09:32 I believe their last 11-on-11, he had a 70-yard breakaway touchdown where he broke two tackles, ran away from seven defenders. He is a solid player. He's been great in their red zone work as well, pushing piles. There was one play that was reported where he just got stacked up in this crazy pile and somehow broke out the other side for 10 yards. And this is a guy that's going to get opportunities. He's named appropriately.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Yeah, yeah. His parents knew. Tank Bigsby. What a cool name. because it's not just like Tank Dell you know it's like no Bigsby's his last name he's just I'm big and strong um I believe there is an opportunity for him to be a relevant you, RB3 flex option this season while Etienne is healthy. I don't think he's just an insurance play. However, should Etienne, who has missed time already, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:33 missed a season with an injury and is coming back, should something happen health-wise, I think Tank will be one of the better backup running backs to roster. So when I'm at the end of my draft, I like taking Tank Bigsby. If you have Travis Etienne as an early pick, I mean, wouldn't it be an automatic add with the last pick in your draft? I don't mind that one at all. We talked about whether or not you would do that with the Seattle backfield,
Starting point is 00:11:00 but Charbonnet is being drafted as a relevant asset. It costs a lot. Take Bigsby. When you can get him basically for free, yeah, sure, throw him on the back of your bench as maybe someone that you could start side by side, but as the insurance play as well. And Bigsby also, for his college production profile, as a pass catcher, like it's there.
Starting point is 00:11:23 And so that's another threat to Travis Etienne who we haven't talked about it on on this pod I brought it up in the dynasty podcast the yet that Etienne had a whole bunch of receptions you know at in college and everything but there was like these weird quotes from Travis Etienne talking about this is back then maybe things have changed since now but back then he talked about how he was like he's nervous as a pass catcher he's he is something about he's scared to catch the ball afraid of making a mistake and so maybe he's just not actually comfortable doing that he said he wasn't and we have Tank Bigsby here who profiles as a player
Starting point is 00:12:06 who could be used in that role as well. So that's another kind of just a red flag there for Travis Etienne. I'm going to bring up just a couple names real quick. It's Rashad Penny for me going in the ninth round. He seems to be the Miles Sanders version or version or the mile sanders for the eagles this year and rashad penny talent has never been questioned for him it's always health and i know it's the same argument over and over i'm not going to draft rashad penny's going to get hurt i'm just laughing at the fact that penny and robinson are back-to-back ninth round picks and they could both be starters and if you did go zero RB, which is, you know, like those could be your two starting running backs
Starting point is 00:12:48 and you'd probably have to take one in the eighth and one in the ninth and you have seven picks ahead of it. It's just interesting that there are potential volume plays that late in the draft. Yeah, and Rashad Penny is an excellent player. If he gives you anything close to Miles Sanders' production, but you've drafted him in the ninth round, that's a massive win. People were disappointed with Miles Sanders being a little bit hot and cold.
Starting point is 00:13:13 He still finished extremely well on the year. And if you get that type of production in the night, that's absolutely outrageous. And then just a shout-out to this is, you know, we're also watching this in preseason. The Miami Dolphins running backs, who is the main guy? We don't know. Everyone's kind of got to make their guess here. Devon A-Chain, the rookie, who's very small but incredibly fast.
Starting point is 00:13:36 He's dealing with his own injury. And then you have Raheem Mostert and Jeff Wilson. I know Jeff Wilson got banged up the other day, but I think he came back already to practice. A-Chain as well is back in practice. Okay, but it's just these guys are going. All three of them are in the double-digit rounds. There may honestly not be a clear winner for the entirety of the season,
Starting point is 00:13:55 but there will be weeks here, and it could turn out that one of them actually is just the primary guy who's going to see 12 to 15 opportunities a week. I love taking shots on those players. Specifically for me, I've talked about A-Chain. I really like him. I think he fits the system perfect, and I love taking a gamble on him. But I also love Jeff Wilson in the 13th round. I think he's of value because—
Starting point is 00:14:20 And what's funny is Mostert is the starter. He's the starting runner. Maybe. It is. Got is the starter. He's the starting running back. Maybe. Maybe. It is. Go read the camp reports. They're going to share time, but you might get one or two weeks out of Mostert to start the year and be fine and then see different players come out and emerge. But literally, that's what the game is set.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Sure. I guess I'm just going back to last season when they were both playing after Wilson was there and they were both healthy. It seemed like Wilson was the more valuable asset the majority of those games. But, yeah, I mean, this is going to be a valuable running back room, and it doesn't cost much. And if one guy goes out, a Mostert injury history, Wilson injury history. A-chain, binged up. Itty baby.
Starting point is 00:15:01 Itty baby. Will be hurt soon. Future injury history due to size. Future injury history. I like that. But, I mean, like, it all of a sudden becomes more simple if one guy is. Or they might use A-chain in a different way, and you have two guys on the field, and then you have two guys valuable.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Like, if it's Mostert and Wilson behind center a lot, and A-chain in passing game work in the slot and end arounds. Could be like the Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs situation where you're expecting both guys to be on the field. So that one is they're all free because nobody knows what to do, right? Mm-hmm. And historically, those proved to be good shots to take in the draft. Just don't take all the shots.
Starting point is 00:15:43 Don't draft three of them. Right. Call your shot on the guy you like. Don't draft three of them. No. Call your shot on the guy you like. I like A-chain. Yeah. Or just if you're in multiple drafts, take Wilson in one, take Mostert in one, take A-chain in one. Sure.
Starting point is 00:15:55 I mean, just, like, you got to try. Yeah. All right. Let's get into the news because we just got some breaking news. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. Well, the New Orleans Saints are expected to sign Kareem Hunt to the roster, assuming he passes his physical.
Starting point is 00:16:18 So it will be an Alvin Kamara, Jamal Williams, Kendra Miller, Kareem Hunt backfield in New Orleans, which is, I thought about bringing Alvin Kamara's name up in the previous segment with a quick question. And I thought about bringing up Kendra Miller. I'm glad we didn't since while we were talking about them, they signed Kareem Hunt. They really want a committee.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Well, and they've dealt and they've got a suspension. They've got injuries. Historically, like last year, the guys taking snaps. Mike brought it up. David Johnson, you know, Benjamin. They didn't want to have those players running the football last year. And the biggest problem is Kareem Hunt's a great pass catcher. So, like, you have another versatile option there where, look,
Starting point is 00:17:03 all the camp reports with Alvin Kamara have been just fire. Like the way they're running this offense, the way they're utilizing him, the fact that he is, he is back in form. He was banged up last year. Like I do think that there's an opportunity there for him to be an oversight in drafts,
Starting point is 00:17:19 not in the fourth round, which I don't think that ADP is right. I think if you, if you went and you drafted today with a three-game suspension, he's not going in the fourth round. So I still am paying attention, but now Kareem Hunt's part of this backfield, and it concerns me for Kendra Miller in year one. Kareem Hunt, really?
Starting point is 00:17:38 Yeah, it does because you're making a choice to add a veteran, and veterans seem to get a greater deal of respect and opportunity in a backfield than adding a no-name i mean like kareem hunt has been selective this offseason either you decide he's given up and just taking this job which maybe that's the case or they've made commitments and promises to him that say hey we're going to use you yeah i mean i can't imagine he doesn't want to play yeah he somehow kareem hunt led all running backs in the nfl and third down snaps last year he's he's i don't think he's washed yeah i mean it does uh muddy the water i mean if kareem hunt and went in and joined new england in the context of remandre we'd make adjustments if he went and joined
Starting point is 00:18:22 you know another backfield like minnesota we would be making adjustments to our view of medicine so i think it has to at least be talked about i don't know if he fades into the mist because he's washed but it doesn't concern you at all with kendry miller jamal williams or any of those guys not long i mean kendry miller this is a long-term situation. Like, you're drafting him hoping that some opportunities start coming, like, in the second month or so of the season. Like, Kendrick Miller is not a week one starting fantasy football running back.
Starting point is 00:18:58 But I'm just the – I thought that all y'all were out on Kareem Hunt last year. Like, I was really hoping he got traded, and it was – I mean, I'm out on Zeke, but if he goes somewhere, it matters to me. You know, like, the other concern is, like, yeah, Kendrick Miller might develop, but what are you going to do as a fantasy player? Are you going to put him on your roster on draft day and wait two months? You know, it's funny.
Starting point is 00:19:21 I mean, is that the plan? You talk about Kendrick Miller as a long-term play. Because of the situation with Alvin Kamara, Kendra Miller was one of my favorite later round picks because he might have the opportunity to week one, week two, week three to really establish himself there and now he will definitely have to cede some work here to Kareem Hunt. If he goes wild in the first three weeks, that's your Kendra Miller opportunity. Because you've
Starting point is 00:19:47 had that happen with really talented running backs like Kareem Hunt. First game in the NFL, a couple big touchdowns, the pass from Alex Smith, I believe, and all of a sudden he's like, oh, he's legit. Who cares about the combine scores? This was
Starting point is 00:20:03 good news for the Chiefs. Kadarius Toney and Isaiah Pacheco both expected for week one. Okay. The Toney news is positive because I don't think – I think we were, like, not believing that could be the case, which maybe you don't believe still. Could miss a couple weeks. The Pacheco – I mean, this is rough here, though.
Starting point is 00:20:23 If you're expected to be ready for week one and you're missing training camp, other players are getting their chance to try and make an impact here on the running back room. Like Pacheco, you know, post-Super Bowl, it would have been, oh, Isaiah Pacheco is clearly the starting two-down runner for the Kansas City Chiefs. Is he? I have no worries about him at all. Okay. is clearly the starting two-down runner for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Is he? I have no worries about him at all. Okay. The way they talk about him in training camp, the way that they've expected this surgery and this – like Tony I'm worried about because Tony's missed time, always hurt. Sky Moore, other wide receivers are making progress. But, I mean, the running back room in Kansas City is not an intimidating one in any regard. You worry about Prince? Clyde?
Starting point is 00:21:14 Clyde can't do anything to change his status in that room. I still think Clyde will absolutely be. I think him and Pacheco will be splitting carries. I don't really want a lot of this backfield personally. I think that's fair. I just don't think Pacheco's standing has changed. Jake Ferguson, the clear number one tight end for the Cowboys. The Schoonman back in camp? Yeah, he was. We actually saw the Schoonman out there running some routes,
Starting point is 00:21:42 but we did talk about Jakeake first ferguson just a couple days ago now he was listed in the first unofficial depth chart because it's unofficial depth chart season he was listed as a co-starter with peyton hendershot but everything that i've been reading and looking into for the cowboys it was jake ferguson's gonna be the guy this year and i mean for the schoonman to catch up Ferguson's going to be the guy this year. And, I mean, for the Schoonman to catch up. Yeah. Oh, it's Fergalicious and the Schoonman.
Starting point is 00:22:12 It's sensational for the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Yeah, we need them to do something, but we could have drops emerging. We absolutely could. But it's like Schoonman as a rookie tight end who has basically missed all this time. I don't think he can catch Ferguson at this point, maybe halfway through the season or something like that. But right now, Ferguson is very interesting if you punt the tight end position. Yeah, could be one of those surprise week one guys that you're like,
Starting point is 00:22:39 oh, two touchdowns for Jake Ferguson. You didn't see that coming. Drum forward, left practice, hamstring injury, not good. Yeah, when you get a new hamstring injury. This would be running back for the Browns. Yeah, backup running back for the Cleveland Browns, who has been, there's been debate, like who's going to be the pass-catching third down back.
Starting point is 00:22:58 They just lost Kareem Hunt, who had all the third down snaps. And the last thing I saw from the running back's coach was it was going to be either Chubb or Ford. Yeah, it could be Chubb. It could be Ford. I mean, if that's the case and Ford is out with a hamstring issue, this is a really neat opportunity that Chubb is going to get for the first time
Starting point is 00:23:16 in his career where he could catch the ball. He could add pass catching to his unbelievable running style and just be a dominant force for fantasy yeah i think i think cleveland is is primed to give us some fantasy value nick chubb behind him is jerome ford felton who could i mean he'll get snaps in in place of wait john kelly john kelly still hanging out the john kelly that's the one twitter twitter draft fame Still hanging out. Is that the John Kelly? That's the one. Of Twitter draft fame? Still hanging out at the fourth spot on this depth chart. But we'll talk about Chubb today.
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Starting point is 00:24:22 Find their products through banks, credit unions, and associations, or visit SecurianCanada.ca. Securian Canada, insurance designed for life. Good old John Kelly. There are players that their entire claim to fame is the pre-first season discussion time. Mm-hmm. And then they're never discussed again.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Spiller. Isaiah Spiller. It's the first name that pops into my head, too. It's like farewell. Yeah. They were supposed to be great, but they were not great. And I don't know any that become great after that first year, really. I mean, it's like.
Starting point is 00:25:06 It's pretty unlikely. If you're that low in the draft and don't have a good year one, you just are like. You're like going to be a number three running back the rest of your career. Yeah. Unless somebody gets hurt. Can we think of any example where a guy who was hyped up and did nothing. I'm sure the listeners will. And we'll share that with us.
Starting point is 00:25:26 I don't think they will. I challenge us. I don't think they will. You don't think there are. I don't know if it exists. So fourth, fifth, sixth round running back hyped up in the offseason. In the draft season. Didn't do anything year one. But then hit. But then hit. You got anybody Brooks?
Starting point is 00:25:41 Anybody coming to mind? Kyle? Kyle, run back to the microphone and see if you can remember. I'm looking in the spreadsheets right now. Okay. I mean, clearly Herbert about to do it. I want to believe that Kyle has printed spreadsheets. These are not on here. Oh, for sure.
Starting point is 00:25:59 He is shuffling paper. He's a tactile man. Yeah. I need to feel the papers. He's in a room with so many filing cabinets right now. I mean, he's... There it is. There it is.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Oh, there it is. Well done. Yeah, you said Kahlil Herbert's about to do it, which, hey, if you want... The unofficial, or I mean the official depth charts just came out. Read into them as you will but right now it's uh Khalil Herbert and then it is um Foreman Deonta Foreman and then Roshan uh well I will say this sometimes Roshan Moreno sometimes I don't care at all about these depth charts and sometimes I do but when this depth chart came out I forget which uh beat reporter I was looking at but they
Starting point is 00:26:45 were basically saying that this should not be any surprise this is exactly what they've seen in camp that that is the order of those three that was very confirming to me that like I'm just gonna trust that if that's what has been the process over the last couple months and then the team puts out the official statement saying yep that's the, then that should be the order of how we view this backfield for fantasy purposes. Totally agree. A lot of the running backs that changed teams this offseason were pieces that almost shuffled depth around.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Right? Like Singletary shifted to another team, and then Rashad Penny moved over. And, like, you didn't have super high profile players changing teams. You had a lot of these guys, the Deonta Foreman and the incumbent always has an advantage there because the teams are looking at these guys as, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:35 we let go of David Montgomery because why? It wasn't because we could add Deonta Foreman in the off season. It was because we believed in Khalil Herbert. So, all right, let's get into it. Running bags. I mean, nobody loves Khalil Herbert quite like Brooks, though.
Starting point is 00:27:54 That's true. It's his 2023 Josh Jacobs. Is it? Is that what he is? I guess so. He's good. He is. You can get him a lot later than Josh Jacobs, too.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Yeah, I can see he's so much lower down the list than like a Madison in the rankings. Yes. But both of them are like kind of, they have great opportunities. So where's Herbert going? Is he like- Clear Herbert's in like the ninth round. So he's with our group. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:18 He's with our boys, Brian Robinson and Rashad Penny. Add three of them. Maybe two of them will work out. 9-12 for Herbert. So he's behind those other two guys. He's a massive value. Okay. Running back, rankings, countdown, going through the top 10.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Let me give you some information here. Over the last five years, a top 10 running back in half-point leagues has averaged 20.6 opportunities per game. If you want to be top 10, get over that 20 opportunity mark. 17.8 fantasy points per game. 13 total touchdowns. That's interesting to me. Like you really do need some foundation of the getting into the end zone.
Starting point is 00:29:05 And 1,589 total yards. Not rushing yards, but total yards. You're involved in the passing game more often than not because not a lot of guys rush for over 1,500 yards. That's normally the, what, Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb. Last year, Josh Jacobs. Not a lot of them get up over that. Mark?
Starting point is 00:29:23 All right. At number 10, and we'll talk about him he's on an excused absence right now oh man who is now already our number 11 yeah that's true because between yesterday's show and today with the adjustments we make daily on our rankings he actually fell out so i mean you could just omit him because he's living in the like right he's living in between shows between shows like in the upside down would have been on yesterday's show ranking purgatory he's in between shows is jonathan taylor who is you gotta get me out of here potentially in between teams i mean we don't even know right now but it's excused absences to now be away from the team when you already weren't practicing with the team like this is getting he's like i don't even know right now, but it's excused absences to now be away from the team when you already weren't practicing with the team.
Starting point is 00:30:06 He's like, I can't even be around you. It's getting scarier and scarier. I can't even be on the footballer's podcast. He's saying, I'm in between shows, guys. Disappear. Smoke bomb. So, I mean, Jonathan Taylor right now is a step one, super talented, highly productive, potentially dominant, league-winning style running back.
Starting point is 00:30:30 And he's coming off an injury-laden year on a team that doesn't, we don't know if he's going to return off an injury that, look, we've been told he's rehabbing his ankle, which, hello, that was the injury from last year. I can't even hear Jonathan Taylor on ankle in the same sentence without getting, sweaty it is super scary to me because I I genuinely don't know whether or not this is the ankle because you know it's an excused indefinite you know amount of time so it sounds like it's money it sounds like it's like they're they're having contract that ankle would feel better if
Starting point is 00:31:01 yeah the ankle would be fine if you know he signs an All of a sudden, he'd be back in practice. Sure would feel a lot better. But also, they're saying it's the ankle. And if it's the same ankle that he had surgery on this offseason and that put him out last year, the timeline says he shouldn't be having ankle issues. So it's hard to know what to believe here, but it scares me. My risk meter goes up with Jonathan Taylor
Starting point is 00:31:24 because if he's still dealing with this ankle I mean we're four weeks away from the start of real NFL football oh baby that's just that's not a great situation we saw what happened to him last year with the with that injury so if he's not ready to go very very scary obviously the talent enormous um but we've talked a little bit about how it's difficult to have a running back with a super mobile quarterback. Absolutely. It changes things.
Starting point is 00:31:52 I mean, look at the running backs for the Baltimore Ravens. It's not that they're inept at catching passes. It's just what's Lamar Jackson going to do? Is he going to dump the ball off off or is he going to use his superpower and go run the ball, potentially gaining 10 to 15 yards? Like this is, Jonathan Taylor is such a difficult player to gauge because he has basically all the red flags that we could think of right now. Injury, contract dispute, mobile quarterback, rookie quarterback.
Starting point is 00:32:27 On yesterday's show, when talking about Miles Sanders, gave the stats of the starting running backs for rookie quarterbacks. If a rookie plays the entire time, it is historically terrible for these running backs. So I am so freaked out by Jonathan Taylor, and he's getting closer and closer. Of course, maybe you're in a draft, you're in your home league, and somehow he falls into the second round,
Starting point is 00:32:56 and then, okay, maybe I'm going to take a shot here. But he is rapidly approaching that. I'm just willing to be wrong, and I expect Jonathan Taylor to have a great season, but I'm not going to inherit that risk on my team while there's other players that I feel far more confident in in that range that he's going. If you want to mess around with those variables,
Starting point is 00:33:20 I'd rather do it in the fifth, sixth, seventh round with a player. The cost is so high. So we all have them below ADP. I mean, seventh round with a player. The cost is so high. So we all have them below ADP. I mean, you're staring down Jonathan Taylor or Nick Chubb. Well, what are you doing? I'm going Chubb. I'm going Nick Chubb for sure. Derek Henry.
Starting point is 00:33:32 Give me Henry. I'm going Derek Henry. And then, honestly, I'll take Josh Jacobs with his risk right now over Jonathan Taylor because at least if he comes back, he's not dealing with any injury, and he's in a system and a head coach that you already are familiar with, and he was highly productive. And Pollard, I'll probably go that direction too over Jonathan Taylor. You start to get a little bit more upside mindful when you get around Etienne
Starting point is 00:33:58 and Gibbs and maybe Najee. But, yeah, it's bad vibes. That's why he's in between shows. He's in between ranks as well. Uh, at nine Ramondre Stevenson, I've got him at 12. Mike has him at three still, still, we're still there. I feel like this is Hodor. Like you got the whole, like, how are you keeping this rank?
Starting point is 00:34:19 I haven't seen anyone sign yet. I just, it's a wild ranking. Mike and I are not Mike and i jason and i have 11 and 12 and i feel like this that's totally like that's a lot of respect that's tons of respect giving him so much respect he's really really good and i understand where mike is coming from in the sense that you've got a workhorse role a depth chart with nobody there he's a player that can actually catch the ball very very well which is rare for someone that is 225-plus pounds. 17% target share.
Starting point is 00:34:52 17%. And the New England Patriots offense should be better. It's a pretty big should, but you're going from coaches who don't know how to run an offense to Bill O'Brien who knows offense. He's not really a head coach guy, but he knows what he's doing. Let's talk him into moving him to four. Let's talk him into moving him to four.
Starting point is 00:35:16 I've got a point for it. Philly to start the year. Then Miami. Tough defense, in my opinion. Tough front seven, then the Jets on the road, and then you play Dallas' front seven. Can I talk you into moving them to four?
Starting point is 00:35:35 Maybe five. Okay, well, let me try, Mike. All right, your turn, Jason. If you watched the horrifically putrid, stinky offense last year of the Patriots, it was Ryan. Very generous of you. That was very kind by Joe Judge and Matt Patricia.
Starting point is 00:35:53 You would watch Mac Jones screaming on the sideline that he wants to be allowed to throw the ball down the field. But every single play developed underneath and he had to check the ball down over and over and over. And while Ramandre has the ability to be a real good pass catching back i think that part of the reason that he was just constantly targeted with these little targets is because the offense was not good i think an offense that opens it up more will throw the ball more to the wide receivers less to the running
Starting point is 00:36:21 back here so i that is one you know systematic difference i see in the patriots offense that scares me about romandre stevenson keeping that level of a target share let alone and that's while he's alone not just uh not just if someone else comes and signs yeah someone else could sign and sure maybe they're going to try to go did i get you before no but maybe they're gonna try another strategy maybe they're going to try to go... Did I get you to four? No, but maybe they're going to try and go down... I've got another strategy. Maybe they're going to try and go down the field. Right. Okay, Devontae Parker.
Starting point is 00:36:50 I'll give you Devontae Parker. Now who? Juju. Down the field to Juju? Taekwon Thornton. Thornton may not ever see the field this year. The vibes for Thornton out of camp have been horrible. Quick detour.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Hunter Henry underrated. Go on. Sure. I'm okay with that, but I'm saying they don't have the people to be truly a vertical passing game. I got a new strategy. Okay. You're a liar.
Starting point is 00:37:16 I think you're a dirty liar. I'm looking at your rankings. There's no way you're taking them over Austin Eckler. No, but just because they're ranked here, that doesn't mean I have to draft them that way. I'm still going to be. Yeah, you should. I'm still going to use the 80. way you're taking them over austin eckler no i don't but just because they're ranked here that doesn't mean i have to draft them that way i'm still gonna be yeah i'm still gonna use the 80 no no no i'm still gonna use the adp because i know that you can get romandre i know that chumps like you are like romandre is the rb12 i'll be like yeah you're right you guys are sure
Starting point is 00:37:40 right don't don't you you better draft him as the running back 12 because i'm gonna get austin eckler and then things are going to come back, and I'm still going to get Ramondre. Okay. That's a fair point. Look, I do think they're going to add a back to this team. If they don't, Ramondre has the potential to finish higher than where I have him ranked.
Starting point is 00:38:01 I'll put it that way. Look, we're at ADP. Jason and I are full respect, third-round pick, top of the third. It is harder to stare that name down than it is Chubb, Jacobs, Hinnick. Yes. Yeah, and I'm not – I have him projected to finish there, but again – We're not out. We're only out compared to Mike.
Starting point is 00:38:20 You need to be smart about where you are drafting, guys. And then my final here for remandre stevenson jason to talk you into moving him up oh okay oh all right i'm listening i'm listening the round mound of touchdown i love the name he's going to 10 he's going to that's all it took that's all it took we're fickle people all these great arguments we're making that can't move the needle but round mound yeah i mean the ram mound a touchdown yeah i like it a lot like a 17 if you're saying romandri stevenson could potentially hit a 65 market share on the ground and a 15 target share those are
Starting point is 00:38:59 if you give him 70 receptions we'll be, 100%. Which is what he was on pace for during the back half of last year. Tony Pollard coming in at number eight. Tony. Tony. 26 years old. Darling of the fantasy underrated world for a couple of years. He's great. He's not underrated anymore.
Starting point is 00:39:20 Thank you, Jason. Tony. Oh, yeah. No, we got you. We got you. How's the 40? 40 how your 40s treating you pretty good pretty good am i uh you're talking about my time uh no no i'm not uh rb9 by adp i got him at seven mike at six jason at nine um he is explosive he is explosive.
Starting point is 00:39:46 He is valuable. They have not added more backs. They have really subtracted this offseason. Malik Davis. What'd you get? Kyle put Deuce Vaughn's name in in, like, size 4 font, man. Everybody else's name is normal. And Deuce Vaughn's written in like size.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Let's check this out. Oh man, that's real small. Ronald Jones suspended. Will Tony Pollard really get this amount of work? Does it make any sense to give him this amount of work? Because his efficiency will inevitably go down. If he's the guy that's going to get the fourth and one, if he's the guy that's going to be in on goal line,
Starting point is 00:40:28 you're not going to see the yards per carry. You're not going to see the, those numbers as high, but he would still be very valuable. I know we have the fears of the Lamar Miller efficiency change that happened. He was the most dynamic back in the world in Miami. And then he goes to Houston and he's a starter and it's different. And we know they're going to throw the ball a lot. We know that that's kind of the MO for Mr. Kellen Moore so you know
Starting point is 00:40:50 if Tony Pollard is who he has been and you just proportionally move up his opportunities he's the RB1 okay I mean that's the sure that's the truth like he'd be the RB1 if you just took his efficiency and just gave him twice as many opportunities. Yeah, if he stays, you know, carrying at 5.2 a clip and getting almost 10 yards per reception, and then you just take the volume and you move it northward, absolutely. He's an electric back that's going to get a lot of opportunity. The easiest way to articulate that is to say last year
Starting point is 00:41:21 with Ezekiel Elliott getting a ton of work, Tony Pollard finished as the running back seven and he missed a game so he should be better than that this year but that's just not how football works it's not we've seen this situation plenty of times in the past and when he is now the dude I have no doubt that he will get more work because he only had what 193 carries last year he'll be in the 200s. Is it 220 or is it 250? You know, it's probably closer to the 220.
Starting point is 00:41:50 I don't think Tony Pollard is built. It's just fine. Yeah, that's fine. If his passing work stays the same. I mean, obviously, he's on this top 10 show because we think he's a really, really good back. But I am skeptical that he will be able to keep the efficiency for a team that I think will be worse on offense worse you know offensive coordinator wise um you know it's one of those
Starting point is 00:42:15 things where I was really really hot for Tony Pollard at the beginning of this offseason when it looked like you know when they let Zeke go and it seemed like he was gonna have the show to himself I was like this is a top five guy locked in and the more I've thought about it the more I When they let Zeke go and it seemed like he was going to have the show to himself, I was like, this is a top five guy locked in. And the more I've thought about it, the more I realize he's probably a back half running back. Let me correct something I said earlier. I inferred Kellen Moore is there this year. Kellen Moore is departing.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Correct. And this offense is going to be potentially, like you said, you don't like the output as much. Moving to Schottenheimer, defensive-oriented, but Pollard's still the guy in the offense. He's still the guy. He's incredibly talented. He's explosive.
Starting point is 00:42:59 He's the type of running back that can hit a 50-plus yard touchdown, and that's not every single running back in the NFL. If we get the numbers from 193 to that 220 area, and then like last year Zeke was about a 5% target share. I mean, and Tony Pollard was sitting in at 11%. If that 11 bumps up just a couple percentage points, you know, 13, maybe we get that 14, but just up to 13 or so looking at the depth chart where it is right now that seems like a like I don't think that's a wild proclamation to say Tony Pollard who was the number two behind Ezekiel Elliott gets 30 more carries and gets two percent higher in the
Starting point is 00:43:39 target share I don't think that's a crazy thing to say and yes the the he won't be as efficient if he is the main guy every each and every single week but he's just such an incredible player that I think that Tony Pollard has he has top three upside and that's what we want we want guys who can actually finish in the top three I want to take the chance on he does definitely have that upside and when you're taking him and and he's's at the back of the second round right now. So where he's going, I think there is value to go northward. But if he goes from 11% target share to 13% target share, it's still possible he doesn't go northward in total targets
Starting point is 00:44:19 because the pace of play for this team and the passing volume could be down. There have been 10 running backs with fewer than 650 touches in the first four years and had the opportunity to make the jump. Only one of them really made the jump. Austin Eckler had a fantasy finish. His best one was six. He jumped up to two. The rest, Kenyon Drake and Tevin Coleman and C.J. Anderson and Mark Ingram
Starting point is 00:44:43 and even jamal charles his first year going up in opportunities you don't generally see a fantasy finish higher i think what you said there i think he's going to stay around the same finish which is where he's being drafted and i think that that's um that's a good year from tony pollard yes i mean that is delivering on draft value and he gives you it's gonna And he gives you. It's the B. John Minute. Yeah. I was going to say, he gives you actual spike weeks. This won't just be a consistent. Oh, he's pretty good. No, he will give you week winning weeks.
Starting point is 00:45:11 It's the B. John Minute. Yeah. But back to Tony Pollard. It's the B. John Minute. Number seven. B. John Robinson being drafted now as the RB3. Yeah, baby. Jason and I have him at five.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Mike at nine. I'm too low. Three might be right here with B. John. The equation with B. John Robinson is pretty simple for fantasy. There aren't many that get to do what he'll get to do. You've got to be Saquon, right? you know, you've got to be the, you got to be Saquon, right? Historically, you've got to be McCaffrey. You know, that's, the list is not long.
Starting point is 00:45:53 I mean, because when you start to look at it and you go, okay, well, it's not a Chubb situation because he's going to catch a ton of passes. It's not Henry who's been ranked up there. It's not Alvin Kamara even from days gone by where he was a top three because Kamara had, you know, is always 181 carries. Yeah. 182 carries. Maybe 200.
Starting point is 00:46:13 This is 250 carry potential with 70, 80, 90, 100 target potential. That's just worth the investment. Jason is getting a little bit I'm so excited I've is it hot in here uh look uh I was obviously a massive fan of Bijan pre-NFL draft we had the whole Bijan minute the Bijan watch for the NFL draft. I was so excited. Loved where he landed. And then I spent some time really thinking, people are going a little too nuts here for this rookie that we haven't seen.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Taking him third off the board, that's too high. And I have since changed. If you want to take him one, you take him one. I agree with that. I think that's fine I believe he's a player that is as good a pure running back as there is in the league I mean the the Chubb and Henry style is different and and better in a bruising way but he is as good a running back as there exists and he is Christian McCaffrey levels of pass catching as a running back.
Starting point is 00:47:26 He's elite in both. He has the draft capital that says they're going to feed him the rock. You look at this team last year, and the biggest knock is, well, they're probably not a great team, a great offense. Desmond Ritter, is he really going to be able to support a lot? But you just look at last year with potentially an even worse Marcus Mariota and team-wise the Atlanta Falcons running game was awesome you put Cordero Patterson and and Huntley and uh Algier together and they were excellent so I don't have any problem like I've got him
Starting point is 00:48:00 ranked at five that's probably around where I will draft him but if you want to take him ahead of anyone I don't mind it because I think he has the potential to be the number one player in fantasy this year the schedule is really nice the schedule is good you don't have like you know I was trying to look at the back half of the season because if you combine generally rookies coming out of college like there's a potential when they get the opportunity from week one. It's a long season in the NFL. It's longer than the college game. You'd say, sometimes these guys tire out a little bit. Maybe the schedule at
Starting point is 00:48:32 the end of the season has a bunch of tough matchups combined with him having a lot of work. That is something that happens. It's pretty juicy. You're not busting. It's a bust-proof pick. We've got him at seven. We're below ADP. The reasons for that, part of it's a bust-proof pick. And we've got them at seven. We're below ADP, so the reasons for that,
Starting point is 00:48:47 part of it's the confidence in the offense and those opportunities. We don't know how they're going to work in the other backs. Sometimes you do that when you've had the kind of success that they have had. They were a great running team last year. Algiers over 1,000 yards. There's some unexpected variables because we haven't seen it yet. Mike, you're the lowest, so give me the – I said I'm too low on him.
Starting point is 00:49:11 I just went and looked. I gave him just a couple more percentage points on the ground and a point or two for the target share. What can go wrong? A bunch of three and outs all year long. To me, that's a concern. And the other thing that could go wrong a bunch of three and outs all year long that to me that that's a concern and and the other thing that could go wrong is tyler algier and cordero patterson are used just more than we right that that's really the outlet it's not a talent and he's not gonna he's
Starting point is 00:49:35 not gonna be bad like if if algier is involved this isn't gonna be like oh he's the running back 23 i i don't see a world where he's outside of the top 12. Josh Jacobs comes in at six now. I've recently moved him down a little bit because of the variable factors. He's the RB8 by ADP, so we're still a little bit above that. He was completely unstoppable last year. You can go watch the film. It wasn't an isolated play here or there. It was every down, every play, all year long, better than you, fifth most rushing yards over the last decade at the position. Those kind of numbers, that kind of efficiency over that many touches is not an accident.
Starting point is 00:50:18 I don't know why some people seem to think it is. You can't rush for 4.9 a carry on that many chances on 340 rushing attempts yeah and have 1653 rushing yards and it's a fluke like that's not a that's not possible not that it's like gonna change your view or fantasy ranking because it's just this is a list for fun but you know they the nfl does their top 100 players every offseason players vote on this Josh Jacobs was number 12 as in the player said he was the 12th best player in the NFL last year yeah I'm running back right player not offensive player all positions in fact one spot in front of his teammate Devontae Adams. So that's how much respect the players had for him. We've talked a lot about these guys.
Starting point is 00:51:07 I'm trying to find different angles to discuss them than we have in the past. So for Josh Jacobs, his ADP right now is the back of the second round, and he's the RB8. Scoop him up, man. Scoop him up. My opinion is he is absolutely going to play as a Raider this year. I'll just be surprised. And if that is your belief, as it is my belief,
Starting point is 00:51:28 then the back of the 12th is a screaming value. Because if that comes to fruition, and he is the starting running back week one through week 17, barring injury, they're going to just do it again. They're not going to be like, hey, I want to split time with Zamir White because you're having a good camp. He's on a a franchise tag he's not their long-term future it's and he's the best player to win games they're going to put him out there they're going to put him out there they're going to throw the ball to him they're going to let him carry the ball I mean you you
Starting point is 00:51:56 look at the snap percentages last year it's like beginning of the year was like 60 you know he was like the lead back and then they're like let's, let's just have him be out there 85%, 90% of the snaps. He's really good. I think they'd do it again. Which, I mean, you almost are forced to if you're Josh McDaniels because you are potentially going to lose your job again as a head coach. I was going to ask the question, Mike, real quick, that other angle of tomorrow he's in camp.
Starting point is 00:52:20 What happens to his average job position? I think it goes up slightly. I don't think that it will skyrocket by any means because despite him having a great season, and historically he's been really solid for fantasy, that he was the RB8 in 2020, but this was the first elite season we've ever seen from Josh Jacobs. So you're going to have a lot of the fantasy football population
Starting point is 00:52:48 that's like, that was a one-off. He won't be as good this year. And I've seen even more extreme. I've seen he sucks. Well, that's a silly thing to say. I have my concerns that maybe that was just a magic season because that does happen in the NFL. Players who are good, they just have one outlier, incredible season
Starting point is 00:53:11 where everything bounced their way, stayed healthy for the entire 17 games, stayed healthy despite that workload that he was getting. And to play devil's advocate, Jason, I think that Josh Jacobs not being in training camp it really is giving Zamir White a huge opportunity the notes have been have been strong on him he was a I believe Kyle was a fourth round fourth round he was a fourth round rookie last year so that's a day three pick that's generally that's nothing to be scared of for a especially as a rookie but now it's another year in the system and they're he's getting all of the opportunity to shine and try and convince the the
Starting point is 00:53:53 coaches you got to get this guy on the field so I think that is a it is a potential red flag here for Josh Jacobs I think Jacobs is is great but I'm starting to – the longer he holds out, the more concerned I will be that Samir White will factor in way more than he did last year. He's got to look a lot better on the field than he did last year. Yes. That's got to be the difference, and they have Abdullah in company. Number five, Saquon Barkley.
Starting point is 00:54:21 He is in camp. He is back on the franchise tag, wink, wink. RB4 by ADP. Jason, you're the highest at number three. Don't really blame you there, but why do you love Saquon? I just love any player that, you know, he doesn't have question marks. Now that he's in camp, he signed that contract. He has no competition.
Starting point is 00:54:41 He catches the ball. He's very talented. Good head coach yeah I mean he's gonna touch the ball 350 plus times for sure like that that's just a gimme outside of being injured and if you know you're gonna touch the ball 350 times you go okay well is a player talented yeah yeah he is he's he's pretty darn good he might not be as good as he was his rookie season, but he's not an elder statesman by any means. He's 26 years old.
Starting point is 00:55:10 He's still playing like he's in the prime. He was great last season, missed a game, finished as the running back six. So to me, there's very little to worry about here. You know he is a workhorse back. You can count them on one hand right now in the NFL, so I'm all about taking Saquon. At four, Derrick Henry is still here, still doing it. Mike and I both have Tennessee winning this division.
Starting point is 00:55:36 They seem rejuvenated. Hopkins, Traylon Burks healthy. Ryan Tannehill's back. Derrick Henry, we have him ranked three spots ahead of ADP as a group and look everyone's waiting for the shoe to drop but last year all you did was get a season with six percent busts despite the fact that the team was bad they have a bad offensive line at least according to pro football focus going into the year but he still ended up as the RB4 yeah it's derrick henry is a fascinating player has i mean one the the check mark in his uh in his favor last year we saw 41 targets like this was the first time ever
Starting point is 00:56:14 that derrick henry has seen a 10 target share it has climbed the last three years seven eight percent ten percent and derrick henry is he is going to be a polarizing draft pick because it's just you have to make your decision of this guy who's going to turn 30 on a team. While I have them winning the division, I don't think this isn't a juggernaut of a football team. They drafted the backup running back, Tajay Spears. He was a third-rounder. Am I right onyle uh you can bet he was a day two pick so there's that going against henry and
Starting point is 00:56:51 it's just make your choice are you looks like you made yours do you think that derrick henry has one more year to transform into the yeti and wreak havoc for fantasy football fantasy football, and that's where my projections have gone. You've got him at number two right now, which makes perfect sense. Nick Chubb comes in at three. That's exactly where I have him. Jason at four, Mike at five. We talked about him at the top. He's going to have every opportunity.
Starting point is 00:57:18 I think the offense is going to be vastly improved personally. Nick Chubb is as proven as it gets on the ground. You know he's going to get chunk plays, breakaway plays. The question is, can he ramp up that receiving work? I think he will have opportunities. Now, there is a chance that it doesn't work out as well for him as we'd like. It's one thing to say, hey, I'm going to throw the ball a lot to Derrick Henry. It's another thing to every once in a while you chuckle because it like deflects off his hands he's not the most elegant pass catcher so is it nick chubb's greatest strength it's not but if those opportunities
Starting point is 00:57:54 come like he proved last year even without them he was the best pick in fantasy at running back for the first what nine ten eleven weeks yeah like that. How many weeks was it until Deshaun Watson came in? It was very correlated. Yeah, it was 10. Yeah, and he just struggled with touchdowns after that point because his team was not down around the goal line. So, you know, he's the... The Browns last year
Starting point is 00:58:17 with the struggle at quarterback at the end of the season were a good example of what could be a red flag for a Bichon. But he's got the insulation of pass catching. Yeah, the pass catching here for Chubb is the really exciting thing in 2023. You've lost Kareem Hunt's 40-plus targets, and you have Chubb right now.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Obviously, it's small, it's anecdotal, but you keep seeing a video out of camp right now, catching the pass out of the backfield. It's just nice to see that they are involving him in that way in camp right now. I've got him going just 10 more targets than last year. He had 37 last year, 47 this year. 47 would be great, though. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:59:02 If you're telling me he's around 50 targets when he's a 1500 yard 10 touchdown rushing machine yeah i'm fully in on nick chubb the rushing machine is the best name you could ever give nick chubb i'm making a note he is the rushing machine yeah you just put a coin in and you get the same thing every game the dude for his career he's played five years in the NFL. Is he still over five? He's at 5.3. Yeah, he's still over five. He's played for five years.
Starting point is 00:59:31 All right, at number two and number one, I'm going to lump them together here, guys, because they do the same stuff, which is everything. Austin Eckler at number two. Christian McCaffrey at number one. That's why B. Sean is B. Sean. It's like the only guys in the league that do everything is Austin Eckler and Christian McCaffrey at number one. That's why Bijon is Bijon. It's like the only guys in the league that do everything is Austin Eckler and Christian McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:59:50 And take one, and Bijon. Yeah, and also the draft capital for Bijon. The players that are drafted there, they always seem to do it. I mean, I guess Fournette really didn't, but he still had a pretty good rookie season, right? But McCaffrey did, Zeke did. Those early running backs do it, Barkley. But Austin Eckler last year, dominant yet again.
Starting point is 01:00:14 He's had 36 red zone touchdowns in two years. You know, his own quote on how important this season is because he's looking for that cash money. Yeah. And he said, this season will be one of the most impactful seasons I've ever had. I believe him because he's got that capability in this offense. Variable, new offensive coordinator. He's been an extreme efficiency touchdown scorer.
Starting point is 01:00:40 That's the thing that Mike's brought to light. I mean, Jason and I have him at two. Mike's got him down a little bit I have to believe that that is entirely related to a little bit of uh regression touchdown wise yeah it's just I mean yeah he's done it for his basically his entire career but but just betting on a you know a little return down to uh more of a league average not that Austin Eckler is any in average player by any stretch, but just take some of the efficiency down and then some of the targets down, which his targets last year were absolutely incredible for fantasy football, but you were missing Keenan Allen for a
Starting point is 01:01:18 huge chunk of the season. You would miss Mike Williams here and there. They made the investment on Quentin Johnston to kind of back that wide receiver up, or the wide receiver room up, and have a healthy guy out there on the field. So that's all that's happened for me. But Eckler is a, like, you want to take Eckler number one in the draft? It doesn't bother me. My ranking is not a besmirching of Austin Eckler at all I just have
Starting point is 01:01:45 some other guys projected a little bit higher when you're great and there's no one else on the depth chart and you play for a great offense with a great quarterback and a nice offensive coordinator you're just safe and that's what he is he doesn't he's not going to catch as many passes this year as he did last year what you're talking about Mike when he was on the field with all with Mike Williams Keenan Allen healthy his target share was vastly different than when one of those were missing, but he doesn't need to. You know, he had 127 targets this last year. Two years ago, he only had 94.
Starting point is 01:02:12 That's probably closer to where he'll be this year, but he was the running back too. This defense has always been a defensive promise, not return. And so because of that, they've had to come back in games, and he is the quintessential. He can get you eight receptions on like two drives at the end of the game. It's so nice. And so if the defense isn't stepping up, that's my area.
Starting point is 01:02:30 If they're in the lead of more games, I think you're going to see a couple things with Eckler. Less pass catches. Is that even a phrase? Less pass catching. And also, potentially some time off the field. I mean, they do want to try to work people in mcafree comes in at number one he his quote this offseason it's great mastering the 49ers
Starting point is 01:02:51 offense rather than learning it on the fly a recent article from the athletics of the 49ers dedication to throwing to their tailbacks this summer makes you think a thousand a thousand as well in the cards for christian mcafree It's been the major theme of the offseason. I've talked often about finding the time to cash in on a running back in Dynasty for huge hauls. I thought about it with McCaffrey. I then thought about it again, and so I unthought about that. But then you were like, I'd like to win, though. I was like, this year is going to be so, so, so good yet again
Starting point is 01:03:28 for Christian McCaffrey. He's better than everybody else. People want to bring up the fact that in the games that Elijah Mitchell played, he wasn't as good. That does not concern me at all. There is touchdown variables that were in play in those games. He is going to be so incredibly dominant. And I'm not telling you anything you don't know.
Starting point is 01:03:47 No, the splits with Elijah Mitchell and without Elijah Mitchell were real. They were drastic. They were snap percentages, carries across the board. But with Elijah Mitchell, he was the running back one. It was just without Elijah Mitchell, he was the super... He was the running back zero. Yes, he was the running back zero. The currently hurt again Elijah Mitchell, he was the super... He was the running back zero. Yes, he was the running back zero. The currently hurt again Elijah Mitchell.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Right. There's no worries with Christian McCaffrey. He's my number one overall pick. I'll take him over Justin Jefferson, which is not what ADP is doing right now. I just like having a player that is like no one else. I applaud the fact that that statement is what the 49ers team thought. I would like a player that's not like anybody else. Let's go get the best player in the game at the position
Starting point is 01:04:32 and just put him on our football team. This is the most fantasy football move ever. It was. We need to go and upgrade this part of our team. So, yeah, McCaffrey at number one. That'll do it for today's episode on wednesday we got the quarterback rankings countdown thursday we're into preseason power up we're going into a full week of preseason football hold your breath on the injuries try to enjoy the eight snaps the
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