Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Top 10 WR Rankings + Hungry For More - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/7

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

What could go wrong? Find out what separates the elite WRs on today’s fantasy football podcast! What’s Deebo Samuel’s upside? Which top WR is the riskiest? Plus, Hungry For More, injury updates, and more! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for August 7th, 2024. 2024 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com (00:00) - Intro (06:00) - Hungry For More (06:45) - Malik Nabers (12:45) - Diontae Johnson (16:10) - Jaxon Smith-Njigba (21:30) - NFL News (30:15) - Top 10 Wide Receiver Rankings (30:25) - Puka Nacua (33:45) - Deebo Samuel (37:30) - Davante Adams  (44:00) - Garrett Wilson (48:25) - AJ Brown (50:50) - Justin Jefferson (55:20) - Ja’Marr Chase (57:05) - Amon-Ra St. Brown (59:50) - CeeDee Lamb (01:01:35) - Tyreek Hill Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Hungry For More presented by Uber Eats News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. With your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in! Wednesday, August 7th. Mike, the fantasy hitman, right? Jason Moore, Andy Holloway, back with you, the fantasy footballers. Here we are, gentlemen. Once again. Once again. We've got the top 10 wide receiver rankings on today's show. We got some hungry for more and ever breaking news to talk about on today's episode of the show, getting you ready to dominate your league in 2024 every advantage possible to uh to take out your league mates and i'm excited jason how are you

today uh i am wonderful i'm excited for this show i'm excited to talk about some of the specific players and it's it's just a good time of year and i'm i'm really getting excited for it's just a good time of year. And I'm really getting excited for it's football time. Like I've got a shirt hanging in my closet put to the side. For the day. For the day. It's football time day. What day is that? Is it tomorrow?

I don't think there's. Yeah. Is it tomorrow? Yeah. The first preseason is tomorrow. Okay. Because I know there's games Saturday. There's games Sunday.

Do we get a game tomorrow? Mike, confirm. Mike, please confirm. I, because I know there's games Saturday, there's games Sunday. Do we get a game tomorrow? Mike, confirm. Mike, please confirm. I'll look it up. I'm pretty sure. Oh, man. Yeah, tomorrow. My hands are shaking.

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And I don't know if you guys saw my tweet because it was fired off late last night. Tuned into episode one of Hard Knocks, Chicago Bears. Oh, it started? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it started. And the episode was okay, but here's the problem. Jason, your skin's gonna rip off your body no no they did not there well no they didn't change the music okay the

horns are there they didn't change it but there's this huge narration going on the entire time to the point of it got to the end of the intro and I'm like, wait, did they have the music on? What? It is an absolute travesty. Oh, so you're stepping up and stepping out. Max, HBO, whoever is in charge of this, get that crap off of there. Get it out. Let that epic theme play untainted.

I need it. That goes right in my veins. That's why I watch. It gets me pumped up for football. You were just shocked. I was really, really upset. Did it change your enjoyment of the rest of the show? Absolutely. I imagine he turned it off.

That's what I would have done. I watched it. I'll give you a little bit of credit here. But, yeah, I went in. The UDK. Bears have plummeted in my rankings. Oh, all because of the intro. Yeah, it's not their fault. Wow.

So, knock it off. Thank you, Mike. Narrator, go bye-bye. All right, here we go. Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eats. All right, we are into Hungry for More. We're each picking out players that are making some headlines. Mike, maybe you hit that hype train over there for these guys.

I don't know where anything is, man. The offseason is. You see how many buttons there are? Yeah, yeah. Mike's in my seat today. I'm in Mike's seat today. And there's the hype train. He found it.

Yeah, I'll hit what I can, but don't ask me for anything. I am so very hungry for more malik neighbors i get it um it feels it feels like you're supposed to at least i feel the pressure to to come and just like give you 35 data points as to uh why i am hungry for more malik neighbors but But it's fundamentally he's too good at football to be stopped. And we are seeing the evidence present itself already in camp. My favorite quote is not from somebody associated with the Giants, but rather head coach Dan Campbell of the Lions, who said he is a mix of Chase and Jefferson but has the mentality of OBJ.

I would be shocked if he didn't win Offensive Rookie of the Year. That's some fire. So Guns Mahoney breaking out both guns with that quote. That's a reverse jinx happening. I could smell that a mile away. He caught 17 of 18 targets in joint practices from daniel jones uh was quoted as borderline unstoppable i have been i am a monster malik neighbors fan and the question you know when you say hungry for more i i mean i'm not really going

to qualify it by his adp because i'm just hungry to see more Malik neighbors play football. But two years ago, we had a surprise season from the Giants. I do trust in Brian Dable. I don't trust Daniel Jones, but what they had last year in place of Daniel Jones wasn't a solution. So, and with Brian Dable and Daniel Jones the year prior, you have big plays from Darius Slayton. And who was – I'm trying to remember the name, Kyle. You might remember it. Who was the breakout? Isaiah Hodgins, right?

Oh, yes. So we've had some fantasy relevance in New York. Yeah, you've had flashes. Malik Nabors is outrageously good at football. There were people at the draft that liked him more than Marvin Harrison. This is the level of talent, and just because two are drafted in the same year doesn't mean

you ignore the second guy off the board. I'm hungry for more. I want to see the draft price. It's not going. The ADP's not going down. It's pretty high already. Right now it's – is it wide receiver 24? Yeah, it ranges from platform to platform.

He's got a pretty wide range, 20 to 30. If I am 20 or beyond, pick 20 and beyond, he's an auto draft for me. Okay. I'm having a really hard time putting all the puzzle pieces together for Malik Nabors because I agree. I was one of those people. I'm up there that Nabors and Marvin Harrison Jr. are both truly elite, difference-making players. That ADP is just – there is so much risk for it to me

because it's yeah he's the wide receiver 24 but it's in the fourth round and looking at Daniel Jones this is where it's like it's hard to put the pieces together yeah we had a surprise year from the New York Giants two years ago when the team was much better than we thought they could be and that was 3,200 passing yards and 15 passing touchdowns from Daniel Jones. Chicken or egg, of course he hasn't had a player like Malik

Neighbors, but we have 3,000 passing yards, 2,900, 2,400 injury shortened season, 3,200. It's just so hard to get there with Daniel Jones. Look at where, if he goes where he's going now, you're talking about Zay Flowers versus Malik Nabors.

You're talking about. You've got Tank Dell. He's right next to him. Yeah, you've got Tank Dell right there too. And that's an easy Nabors for you? Yeah. That one is hard because I love Tank Dell. But I am on Nabors as hard because I love Tank Dell, but I am on neighbors as well.

I like Tank Dell. It's just neighbors is clear path, right? Like the runway has been cleared. There is no competition. This is your team. Yeah. And the team, you know, they moved on from Saquon, and the identity is Malik neighbors.

So that's my hungry for more today. So where do you think Daniel Jones can get in total passing yards? And then where can Malik Nabors get? Because, like, the example of a – Malik Nabors can catch – Let's say he gets to 3,500 yards or whatever, and then does Nabors get up over, what, 1,200 yards? Yeah, he can get to 13 1400

yards like that's possible that amount of the yardage to one guy is just man it's hard to reconcile for me yes the percentage uh would be i have daniel jones plotted for 3500 yards right now okay 35 45 um but again it's not necessarily how we're going to project the probability of the season to go. It's the fact that there is a ceiling for neighbors that, in my opinion, does not exist for even Tank Dell or Zay Flowers or Amari Cooper. DK Metcalf, Cooper Cup, both going after Malik neighbors right now. Team structure.

Yeah, that depends on the platform. Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at sleepers ADP right now. All right. It's tough. It is tough. You have to call your shot, and that's what you're doing, Andy. You're saying, I'm taking the talent, I'm taking the explosive athlete,

and, you know, you're just going to light the dynamite and hope that it works. Yeah, I just, this is just an incredible, incredible player that I have a lot of faith in. So, Mike, you're hungry for more. I am, and this is a player who has not been talked about a ton on this show because he was sent to Siberia, the fantasy Siberia of this year. Well, really last year too, but the Carolina Panthers, they picked up Deontay Johnson and he is going on sleeper right now as the wide receiver 42. And that is our consensus is at 35, so he looks like a draft value for our projections.

And it's because he went to Carolina, it was kind of like this. You put up the mental gate of I'm not going to allow myself to even think about the opportunities for it. And as you look, okay, those immediate emotional reactions are now gone. Let's look at this with action, not emotion. Let's look at it with facts and everything. And Deontay Johnson, number one, is a very good wide receiver. He is always open.

There's an ESPN open score, 109 wide receivers graded in it. Deontay Johnson was 11th last year because he is that kind of a wide receiver. Bryce Young, at least in the beginning of the season, he hyper-focused on Adam Thielen. Adam Thielen fell off. I didn't watch every single snap of him. I'm assuming that is related to – What?

Thank you. I couldn't interrupt myself. Did you say my name? Yes, I did. Adam, you may go back to rest. I'm going to take a nap. So he fell off. Adam, you may go back to rest. I'm going to take a nap. So he fell off. Look, he's older.

That's not an uncommon thing to happen to the elder veterans in the NFL season. But Deontay Johnson, he has Dave Canales now. And what happened last year for the ex-wide receiver for Dave Canales, Mike Evans had himself a fantastic year, got a ton of production up there in Seattle as well. So let's just leave it. Is there a world where Deontay Johnson finishes as a top 24 wide receiver?

And I think we need to be more open to that just because of target volume and the fact that he is a good good wide receiver a proven wide receiver while his ceiling isn't elite it it doesn't really matter like you're going to get a player who can help you each and every week now just to make sure i'm hearing this correctly the problem with malik neighbors and his awesome talent is daniel jones is adp but the solution i heard some daniel jones in there but yeah um did you hear that bryce young is the is not an issue did you hear wide receiver 42 now i heard you say that he could finish as a top 24 wide receiver he could he

couldn't you i agree he couldn't i agree i agree with yourself i agree with myself that he couldn't. I agree. With yourself? I agree with myself that he couldn't finish as a top 24 wide receiver. It's now a more crowded room. It's not a crowded room. Who's crowding him? What? My hungry for more. You woke me up.

My hungry for more last week was Liga, and it's unfortunate, man. Yeah. Part of the crowding was him. Haven't you heard how great mingo's been i i have second round pick of last year jonathan mingo has been making waves in camp we'll see all right well let's talk about a first round pick from last year who is viewed as an overwhelming bust and that is jsn is that the view i i think last year was a strong word massive disappointment he's going after deontay johnson on sleeper right now that's this is ridiculous is it though yes and here's why um jsn is a very This is my hungry for more Hoping for more

Hoping for some I'm famished, I'm starving We didn't get a whole lot I concede that Here's an example of how Perished from hunger How starving everyone is He is the only

First round wide receiver Over the last decade who had 50 receptions as a rookie oh no he did not that's a lie on 93 and is drafted outside the top 36 in his sophomore year it doesn't happen often because one of the kind of cheat codes and fantasy is second year wide receivers they take a leap forward and if they were decent as a rookie, then you know that they have the ability and the chance to take a leap forward. JSN, you know, it was like this time last year, we were talking about JSN the way we're talking about Malik neighbors, how talented he was. Now Malik neighbors went to a team with Jack squat. You know, he's the one, he's the alpha. That wasn't the situation for JSN.

He went to a team that had DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. And, yeah, they're still there. He was a rookie. That was his first chance. And then he broke his arm. Remember, it's like we forget how it happened. His usage last year was so bad, it's like cynically awful. I mean, he had 29 total receptions behind the line of scrimmage

that's the most among rookies only rondale moore in 2021 had more in the pff era uh his usage was dumb and here's if you think about his usage this is like it's not his fault right he's not he's not choosing to stay behind the line of scrimmage for that pass like he's not go deep Jason not this time look I'm I'm open five yards behind the line of scrimmage not this time here was Jason's comment I know you guys know this but as a reminder from the Super Bowl week when a Bears reporter was asking Jason about their new offensive coordinator this is him talking to the to the local people trying to hype up the hey what what should we expect from uh shane waldron coming to chicago and his answer was and there's a quote um uh this is live uh good luck to y'all

i mean uh he's a great person. I mean, get bodied. This was his utilization was so bad. JSN on Ryan Grubbs. New offense coming in from the University of Washington. Quote, when I see the playbook, my eyes get wide. He is excited. Head coach Mike McDaniel. This was like yesterday. He was just talking about he's got this fluid explosiveness about him.

He can run the entire route tree. Incredible ways to track the ball. Body control. Explosive in and out of his cuts. The mentality of what we want, he has that. Jason is a really good wide receiver. That's the thing that we're forgetting is he's a really good wide receiver going into year two.

Yes, he's still in a crowded wide receiver room, but he is not being drafted what his talent and outcome could be. Can you say the coach's name again real quick? Mike McDonald. Thank you. JSN averaged 36 yards a game last year, which puts the – you expect it even if the play calls are bad to see more things that made you

excited that's all i'm gonna say for sure this is why i'm hungry we're all hungry for more yeah jsn has the potential uh to step up but the dependence like you like dk matcap lockett is still there like i'm not hungry for more puka you Right, no, you're full. He fed me. That was a great rookie season. I'm stuffed. We both ate. I had dinner butter. My belly is full. JSN, really, really hungry for more.

All right, so Deontay, Mike? Yeah. JSN, I've got my league neighbors. Mine will be the most delicious meal if it works out yes if all three hit their ceiling I agree neighbors yours would be a gourmet meal mine's like a mine's a no yours is sustenance yeah yeah yeah and mine that's what Dillon was last year by the way like he was sustenance for the first half of the year yeah mine would be a super affordable like this is just a value meal i mean i'm i'm

gonna sit down or drive through this this is sit down it's just a great deal all right that was him on a tuesday you know i was a tuesday deal it was like happy hour on tuesday just so cheap all right that was hungry for more presented by uber eats get game day deals all season long only on uber eats official on-demand food delivery partner of the NFL. Order now. Let's take a quick break and then we'll jump into the news, man. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. All right.

I mean, we could talk a lot of 49ers, I guess, because we've got the Brandon Ayoub stuff to talk about. Wait a minute. Hold on. Did I say Mike McDaniel? That's why I had you say it again. Because I see in Slack, Kyle thinks I said Mike McDaniel. I wasn't 100% sure.

These guys' names in my brain i cannot i cannot mcdonald mcdaniel mcdaniel mcdaniel mcdaniel's michael i just like let's call him coach mike i'm just gonna call him coach of the dolphins coach of the seahawks that's my new nickname for these guys who will never say their names again because my brain don't work that way. Michael Matthew McDaniels Donald. Remember when you played that cool sound clip from Old MacDonald? Yes. I just started calling him McDonald's on the Dynasty podcast today because it was easier.

Oh, McDonald's. Yeah. Yeah. There it goes with the value meal. No, McDonald's. You would think that would be the head coach of the Seahawks, but that's how I was referring to the head coach of the Dolphins. I've seen a pro.

Oh, no. Alright, Christian McCaffrey is going to miss the preseason with a calf strain. It was a preemptive oh no from Mike. This is really scary. I definitely moved his risk rating up in the UDK. Are you taking him number one? I don't think I am.

I am. Okay, I like it to me tyree kill is so valuable like i don't i don't lose anything there i don't have any risk um if i know this guy is dealing with a calf injury i mean we saw joe burrow last year get shut down for a couple weeks around the same time with a calf injury he's come come back and you know he's still at one for me right now um risk rating going up and you know trying not to you know overreact but i don't mind the i think the fear because of mcavery's injuries in the past are reasonable yeah and and I'm not dropping him in my rankings.

Like, you know, he's in the same tier. He's my number one running back. It's just that choice at the top. It's just the choice of I think Tyree Kill is just as valuable. Yeah, I would take him 102. I'm not off of McCaffrey. You know, the backfield, Mitchell, strained hamstring, Isaac Guarindo, missing time strained hamstring, Isaac Guarindo,

missing time with a hamstring injury. They had to sign Matt Breida to come in, and Breida 2.0 there in San Francisco. And then Jordan Mason. Paunches. I mean, what? Paunches. Yeah, we discovered this.

That's the nickname? No, no. That's his middle name. Paunches? Paunches. Yeah. Not haunches. He's out there throwing paunches, wow uh his nickname is JP and I'm like how is his nickname JP when his name is Jordan Mason where's the B coming from paunches wow yeah um well he's the only man left with a

paunch he was right now he was really really good uh last year on a per touch basis a lot of the beat reporters were always talking about, like, why is he not getting run over Elijah Mitchell? And now this offseason, you've seen Shanahan talk up about the trust that he has in Jordan Mason. The running backs coach has been talking about how he's coming into the meeting rooms as a different man. And so Jordan Mason has made Elijah Mitchell, to me at the very least,

not a locked-in handcuff. Puka Nakua update. Should be good to go for week one, according to McVay. Had a bursa sack. Quote, little bit of a bursa sack. He kind of burst it, McVay said. A Joey bursa sack? He said he's going to be weak.

Or a Nick bursasack. I'm unsure. Oh, my gosh. Swish! Your jokes sound just as dumb from this side of the table. Weak to weak, nothing serious, nothing structural. Should be ready to go for Detroit, according to McVay. That's good news.

That is the fluid-filled sack under tendons at joints that help reduce the strain on the muscle. Thanks, doctor. According to Matthew Betts. Josh Downs had to be helped off the field after a great camp. He is not putting weight on his lower leg, waiting for a report there. Downs was outperforming Adonai Mitchell and looked. He was the wide receiver, too, in terms of fantasy value for the Colts.

And then Rondell Moore this morning, breaking news, air cast. Oh, don't use that word. I don't know. Air cast on his right leg. Rondell Moore, wide receiver for the Falcons, taking to a Baptist Health medical facility. Practice was called after the injury. Yeah, that's not great.

That's maybe season ending for Rondell Moore. And so the news here was there was already a camp battle going on between Rondell Moore and Ray-Ray McLeod to be the slot wide receiver. Ray, like in your dynasty leagues, like he could be a nasty boy. Talking about Ray-Ray McLeod that you could just throw onto the end of the bench and see what happens don't expect anything from him but look if kurt cousins in this offense gets rolling who knows it does you know darnell mooney is a name to just just to remember that name has just not not only on this, like where we haven't even talked about him anywhere. Like, have you guys seen a single peep about Darnell Mooney?

No, I have not seen one beat reporter talking about him. I'm going to go see if I can find anything. I haven't heard any news, bad or good, really, on Mooney personally. But I know he is a good enough wide receiver to be a wide receiver, too, in an offense that now really, really needs him. Kyle's there in Atlanta. So Kyle, have you, what's the Mooney report? We'll go to Kyle for the most drafted player in best ball. He is your most drafted player in best ball. Yeah. That says nothing about him though.

Thanks Kyle from the boots on the ground in Atlanta uh all right uh and then we need but wait back to the question have you heard anything about him good or bad that's the question Kyle he's a starting wide receiver in three wide receiver sets that's basically been it he has no information just say no I haven't heard Here we go. From August 5th, Cousins was 9 of 10, finding wide receiver Darnell Mooney four different times as most active receiver of the day. There you go. Okay, so active. Yeah.

It's something. The latest on Brandon Ayuk. Steelers are back in, according to Adam Schefter. Dude. The Patriots are moving on. Yeah, they are. That's the last report.

But then we had a Ricky Pierce. I'll aggravate his shoulder injury. I mean, the 49ers went down hard yesterday. Yes, but Brandon, Iuke, I mean,

it just seems like he's going to be traded. And the, the situation is more than my heart can handle at this moment. You've got to be just spinning like a top. It's absolutely insane. If you're a San Fran, Cisco fan, you're knee deep in this. If you got him, if you have any investment in Brandon A. Uke, you are all about this.

The reports were initially, well, the Patriots have decided to step away. Then you were getting more and more beat reporters saying, well, actually, the Patriots offered him the bag. They were like more than 30 million. The report was, yes, a 30. I mean, and this is like that is elite top tier money. And according to them, Brandon, I, you said,

no, I don't want to go to the Patriots. And then the Patriots said, well, we didn't want you in the first place. So it's, it's not just money that Brandon, I,

you wants, because if he, it was just money, he would have gone to the Patriots. So it's, he's trying to find a balance of give me that money, but I also want stats and a chance to win. So where's he going to go? I don't know. Perfect situation. give me that money, but I also want stats and a chance to win.

Where's he going to go? I don't know. Perfect situation. We'll keep an eye on it, and I know the Ducers over there are paying attention to the news all morning long. So we'll jump back into the wide receiver countdown. Wide receivers. All right, yesterday we went 20-11 on our consensus wide receiver rankings countdown. And so today we've got the top 10.

Number 10. Puka Nakua. Sitting at 10 right now. He's 7 on Jason's list. 12 for me. 14 for Mike. Yeah, I've moved him down. Broke the Jamar Chase.

Is this because of the knee? It's just a little part of that. It's partly the knee. It's partly the getting more reports from boots on the ground saying that the offense goes through Cooper Cup again. And it's – no, Puka's great. I mean, 14 is still extremely high. I'm just – I'm lower on him than the ADP is. So, you know, if competition's

on the field in the form of Cooper Cup and we saw, you know, we saw Robinson step up last year. DeMarcus, not Allen. DeMarcus, not Allen. No, Allen doesn't step up, steps down. So, you know, sitting at 10, finished as the wide receiver four that seems like a it seems like an okay place to be yeah yeah i mean i i don't think that jason's sitting here with no doubt in his mind oh no i think i think at one point in time maybe there was no doubt i think maybe now there's you know there's just room to go down for Puka Nakua and still be amazing. Yeah, I mean, obviously last year he benefited from a lot of missing Cooper Cup. When Cooper Cup was out there, he was still very, very good.

But a lot of his dominant games, you remember the beginning of the season when he was the wide receiver, 9, 5, 4, 11. Like, unbelievable start out of nowhere just became a revelation. You know, that was when Cooper Cup was missing some time. So, you know, it is hard. Now he is also a second year wide receiver, you know, where it's like you usually take a step up, you get more integrated into the offense. Obviously you can't really get more integrated than he was uh considering you know he had he broke pretty much every rookie wide receiver record 105 for 1486 and six 105 yeah 1400 yards i mean that is it's just unbelievable so i don't want to take away

the fact that he was so great and and maybe he doesn't repeat being that great but i don't want to take away the fact that he was so great and maybe he doesn't repeat being that great, but I don't want to take away what he did from who he is because that is the wide receiver that is so unbelievably talented with a great offense, a great offensive mind. And yeah, okay, he benefited from Cooper Cup going down, and I don't want to assume this, but Cooper Cup has not been the healthiest player and is a little bit older now. So I, I still, I still don't mind betting on the,

I think the value is more on Cooper cup side. Obviously I think they both, um, could finish as the number one wide receiver for this team. If both play 17 games, I still give my edge to Puka. So the value is with cup, but I don't mind taking Puka first, betting on the younger prospect here. Yeah, it's like almost a, not exactly apples to apples, but the Amon Raw St. Brown situation of the breakout as a rookie, and then we spent the offseason of, well, is he that good? Or was it because everyone on the Detroit Lions got hurt and turned out he was just that good?

Number nine. All right, from Puka to Debo. Debo Samuel comes in at nine. We know a lot about Debo at this point in time, and we know how great he can be when... Now you're a man! A man, man, man! We know that, too. We know that, too.

He was the wide receiver 12 last year with two missing games. Had the disappointing 20-22 where he missed four games and finished at 37, but then was the wide receiver two the year before. Brandon Ayuk hanging in the balance, right? This wide receiver on the other side of the field. I mean, it definitely seems like he's not going to be on the 49ers field. No, it doesn't. It doesn't seem that way. Obviously, the ADP is going to change drastically once that happens.

But if you are drafting now. Well, where do you think Debo's going right now? Do you know off the top of your head? Because I have it right here. I think he's going in the third round. Yeah, middle of the third, wide receiver 16. We all have him ranked higher than that already. And if Iyuk leaves...

And I did bump up a little bit of Debo's numbers preemptively assuming an an IUK departure. But if it becomes official, I will bump him up even further. I would be so confident to take Debo at wide receiver seven ahead of Puka, who we just talked about. you know, he's been the wide receiver two before. He's on a great offense. If he has the consolidation of more targets and more involvement on a per-touch basis, he's just a man. Yeah, you get the rushing yardage in there.

You have to get that. You have to get those rushing touchdowns, which, I mean, he has, you know, in basically every single year of his career. What's wild for Debo, because, look, I'm stuck in San Francisco mode of Brandon Ayuk, Debo, and it's a – it was more just of a shock, I guess. It's one of those things you know, but when you really think about it, Debo's been good for fantasy a season long just two times,

like two out of five years. When he's on the field and you have him two years, you get good games here and there. But it was just like, wow, he's only been healthy. He's only been fantastic and healthy two years. Brandon Ayuk has had more total yardage in three of four years than Debo Samuel. Receiving yardage. No, total yardage.

Total yardage. He's had more touchdowns. And because health is a factor, too. I'm not saying it's on a per-game basis. Oh, okay, okay. And then two of the four years, Ayuk has had more total touchdowns than him. So it's just – I have him very high as well, but that was an interesting thing for me to really look at.

He's only played two games without Iuke in the last several years. Yeah, Iuke – And both of those, he was top ten in those weeks. Yes. If Iuke is gone, Debo is going to be incredible. Five rushing touchdowns last year. He's had – 16 rushing touchdowns in the last three seasons

well and now you got everybody all the running backs are hurt again yeah so debo's been the uh yak leader uh 2019 23 22 21 20 um i don't know why i said it in that order oh man um that was uh that was the that was the order of the yards after catch per reception so congratulations all right moving on number eight all right davante adams comes in at eight yeah this is this is just um i mean last year was an uncomfortable wide receiver 11 amazing in championship week the targets were outrageous i'm kind of i'll be honest i'm just kind of tired of talking about davante adams yeah there is definitely fatigue. We're all just like, we're as annoyed as he was being on that team last year. But, you know, we don't have a winner at quarterback, so we don't even know if it's Minshew or Aiden O'Connell. Because there can't be.

There's no winners. There's losers. No one can establish that job. Someone will de facto receive it at the end and then will be replaced halfway through the year. He ended up the wide receiver 11 with 63% of his targets as catchable. And you can go back and watch the tape. You can go watch Jimmy Garoppolo,

miss him wide open on bomb touchdowns. Like the big playability of Devante Adams is going to be there. But, but yeah, I mean, this is, this is not the sexiest pick you've ever made. I have them the highest.

I think he ends up accumulating his way to top 10 wide receiver numbers. I do not. I've got him as the wide receiver 12. I think his talent is incredible. Last year, he finished as the wide receiver 11. He was a consistency score of C. Half of his games were brutal, and not games like what you're used to seeing where a bad game is like,

well, he got 10 points. You know, he had games of 1.6 points, 0.9 points, just like crushing awful games. And part of the reason for that is the quarterback play, which hasn't changed. It has changed, though. You think it's not poor quarterback play this year? Because that's what I'm referring to.

Poor quarterback play last year, poor quarterback play this year. I mean, I'm holding out. I mean, we loved – I brought this up before. We loved Michael Pittman last year with Gardner Minshew for the entire season. And Aiden O'Connell managed to hyper-target Devontae Adams to the tune of good numbers at the end of the year. I think Jimmy Garoppolo hurt him really bad last year. I think the head coaching change hurt him bad last year.

I'm just leaving the door a little bit more ajar because he got onto a 190-target pace over the back half of the year, and that's good enough. I mean, that's good enough to be... Can Devontae Adams finish, Mike, in the top five? of the year and that's good enough i mean that's good enough to be like can davante adams finish mike in the top five i think he still can't if it has to be gardner like i do not think that if it's a no connell for the entire season that he can finish in the top five i just i don't see o'connell even in another year elevating to that level where we need him to get.

He was 13 fantasy points per game with Aiden O'Connell last year. Targeted 30% of the time, target per route run. Yeah. 30% target per route run. But, I mean, that includes games of – hold on, I'm just double-checking. So, Aiden O'Connell was really week nine nine on and it's like week nine was 5.4 points and you have some good games then nine eight huge games but also like the the chance that in the semi-finals he puts up one reception for four yards like it's and also it's also the ADP. That was the Snead-Kansas City game, by the way.

Yeah. The one, I mean, guys disappear. I mean, wide receivers disappear. I guess I am just a flaming apologist for Devontae Adams. Look, that's fine. I watched him last year, and I just felt bad for him. It's about, this is a market value. This is an ADP thing.

Because I talked about Jalen Waddell yesterday. He'll be inconsistent, but I want a player who can win me weeks. I don't know that I want to spend my second-round pick on a player that will win me weeks, but then we'll have times where he just absolutely vanishes. He is, you know, it's like do you want the upside of Devontae Adams or do you want the upside of Chris Olave or Devontae Achan? Because that's the price you're – that's what you're choosing. Yes.

Maybe that choice could be taken away from you in a second, but that's right now ADP-wise what you're looking at. Yeah, Devontae Adams is still a great wide receiver. Yes, he is. He didn't look like he lost anything last year he's 31 years old which for your normal receiver is is where that age cliff comes for some of these greats you know Larry Fitzgerald no problem um Adams is an outlier to me I'm not worried about his age but at the same time you have a long history of great wide receivers just it's over eventually.

Julio Jones was great until one year it wasn't. Are you going on record saying this is it for Adams? I am absolutely not, but what I'm saying is that there is that risk of a downside. When you draft a 32-year-old, he'll turn 32 this season. When you draft a player at that age on a bad offense, there is the chance that you are the one holding the bag when the, the, you know, the, the bill is due and everyone else has left.

And so it's, it's yours to pay. That's just a risk I don't want for an upside that I don't think is there and a consistency that is hard to swallow. And you had him Brock Bowers. He was someone you really, really love to do to take a few more targets i mean he needs these like 180 targets to be like that's part of why i like him is because i don't think it can be worse than last year on offense and he still pieced it together

um under aiden o'connell i was just curious i pulled up our weekly consistency uh and subdivided the year uh-huh he was the 12th most consistent wide receiver under Aiden O'Connell. Okay, so you said he scored 13 points per game with O'Connell last year. For reference, that would have been last year's wide receiver 15. Which you're paying too high for. Which is fine, but yes, it's too much for that. All right, yep. This is why I don't like talking about Devontae Adams.

There's just too many angles to take. But I think you end with a draft price that is extremely high. Yes. And there's some more exciting names that maybe you know, it feels like you settle for Adams a little bit. Yeah. If you talk about

who could finish as the wide receiver one between that guy or the guy we're going to talk about next, we know the answer. Yeah. Number seven. Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson is 24 years old, comes in at seven.

I've got him the lowest. Right now Mike's the highest. We're all waiting. We're all waiting to see what can happen here. What does Aaron Rodgers have left? The Jets are just a trepidatious situation to have optimism in to put too many words together there but most ever targets through two years at the wide receiver position he always seemed like he was open you don't you talk about guys you felt for on the field I mean Adams and

Garrett Wilson belong in a tandem wow I mean you want to talk about how bad the Jets offense was that he was trying to go through. I'm reading the stat for the first time. He has had 310 career targets. He's had six targets that have incurred occurred inside the five yard line. I mean, during the time he's been playing players with more targets inside the five yard line, Tommy Trimble, Logan Thomas, the ghost of Allen Robinson has had more. That is how bad. I was looking at, I forget who tweeted out, but there was a chart of the average depth from the opponent's end zone where the running back got the ball. And it was like, you know, some were around five, six, seven. Most of the league was all the same. And then there was the Jets at 25 yards away from the opponent's end zone.

Their offense was unbelievably bad. You hope that you've got the new Devontae Adams situation for Aaron Rodgers, which was he was great, efficient, throwing touchdowns in the red zone, go to your number one receiver that's the hope and expectation for Garrett Wilson but just like you said age 32 Devonta Adams carries inherent risk so does this stage of Aaron Rodgers yes absolutely but there you go Adams or um Adams Garrett Wilson sitting at seven in our rankings his price it's expensive he's a wide receiver eight off the board we're back to at the expectations of you know can can

garrett wilson finish top five yes i think so that's the the the real argument here was because the price is it's difficult to get behind because of the amount of risk, but top five is in the range of outcomes. If Aaron Rodgers is 85%, 90% of his MVP years, overall number one is in range of outcomes to me. I think Garrett Wilson's that good. Since 2000, 97 wideouts have had 160 targets in a season, which is what he had last year.

Out of that group, he was 96th in fantasy points, 97th in first downs, and 94th in yards per game. Leave Garrett alone! Out of 97. That was almost the historically worst season in history with 160 targets. Now, should we be giving more blame upon him? I know the quarterback play was horrible, and the offense as a whole was horrible.

The offensive line was terrible. I think he pressed a little bit. I do. I think over the back half of the year he pressed a little bit, but not much blame, no. Like a small, tiny cup of blame. Yeah, you watch him, and he moves in a special way. He moves like Justin Jefferson moves as far as just like his body control and ability to set people up.

He's got legs and he knows how to move. I mean, I have a really hard time at this ADP simply because I don't personally believe Aaron Rodgers is the MVP Aaron Rodgers we saw a couple years ago at this age coming off of Achilles. So I don't get a lot of Garrett Wilson, but it is clear and obvious with his talent that if Aaron Rodgers can move this offense and is just, I mean, even like the quarterback 15 in the NFL, like the 15th best quarterback, if he's a top half quarterback, Garrett Wilson should dominate. Only wide receiver in the last decade to remain a first round

player ADP wise a year after finishing outside the top 30 so this is 100% being right well good work community being banked on on the Aaron Rodgers blame you Zach to fix it all all right Zach all right quick break back with the top six

all right we are back into the wide receiver countdown the top six. Alright, we are back into the wide receiver countdown. Number six. A.J. Brown. Oh, yeah. I mean, A.J. Brown is drafted as the wide receiver six right now in ADP. It's too low. Jason has him at four, Mike at

six, I'm at five, so we got him at six as a group. He's pretty impenetrable. I think that's a good word for A.J. Brown right here. Great offense, quarterback, pedigree, history, impenetrable. I don't think he can let you down, and there's very few players like that. In fact, I think it's a little unfair that he's not generally in the grouping of wide receivers at the very top of the draft okay so tyreek cd jamar like the fact jefferson's in that conversation and aj brown is not there is not fair i didn't say jefferson

no but he's talking just adp like okay went before Bichon in your mock draft, so I'm counting Jefferson in that group. So Jefferson is the ADP on Jefferson higher? I believe it is. The ADP on Jefferson is the wide receiver three off the board. Okay. Yeah, I believe that A.J. Brown should be right there. I agree.

We talked about it on the ready to Roll segment earlier this week, but the utilization as a first-read target inside the red zone where fantasy value is so high, it was a dominant lead for A.J. Brown within this team. Now, obviously, Kellen Moore's coming over, new coordinator, so you could see that shift. But what won't change is his physical ability to dominate NFL defenders. He was paid more.

He's the one for this team. He's 27 years old going into a season where you should be near peaking in your total fantasy production. 1,456 yards last year. Yeah. Down year for the offense. He crazy run at the beginning of the year. What was the – of the year.

What was the, broke the record for most like 125 yard games. I believe it was. Absolutely dominant. And the, the Kellen Moore discussion of, is he good for the NFL? That is something I just, I don't care. I care about fantasy football and Kellen Moore for fantasy football for his alphas has been sensational. Second half was rough. It's fair to say that.

The offense was rough, and they made their changes, but he's a physical force. Number five. Jefferson comes in at five, so we got him back-to-back in our consensus rankings. I actually have him a spot behind A.J. Brown. As do I. But we know that he's –

This one's tough, man. We know how good of a player he is. I mean, 98 yards a game for his whole career. This is not Devontae Adams with Gardner or AOC. This is the best wide receiver in football with Sam Darnold. For a bit. I'm saying, yeah, and then probably J.J. McCarthy. But I'm saying it's a 32-year-old elite player

or a 25-year-old the best wide receiver in football. So that's where it is so difficult to gauge where Jefferson can succeed. Where can he succeed to with the quarterbacks that he has? He makes it very easy on the quarterback. He had top six games with Nick Mullins two times, but he also had some duds with the bad performances. And the schedule sucks. So when I'm staring down the A.J. Brown and the Jefferson decision and

I want to get off to a hot start, I'm just worried about... I've seen so much eternal optimism around Sam Darnold and I don't understand where it comes from. Maybe this time it could work for us. That's how it feels because we've got Jets,

Panthers, 49ers so far, and Team 4 is normally where it hits when you've got Jets, Panthers, 49ers so far. And Team 4 is normally where it hits, right? When you've got to go into New York. He's on the Geno Smith path. Right. No, it's definitely going to work against. Very normal.

In New York against the Giants, then against the 49ers, Texans, Packers, and Jets. And then there's a bye week, which is you might as well say bye Sam Darnold because the sacrificial baby will be. Thrown out with the bathwater. Yeah, yeah. We just need Sam to understand throw the ball at Jefferson. Yeah.

I don't. Two defenders? Doesn't matter. Kyle. Chuck it up there man there was a hopkins year where he was ruthlessly targeted by bad quarterbacks or is this the bad hopkins year no this is a good hopkins okay i think hopkins had a pretty good year and uh just saying there was like where hopkins was his as a sophomore, DeAndre Hopkins, wide receiver 14-4, down to wide receiver 30 in a full season,

under 10 points a game. Okay, so I might have been looking for the opposite of what we found. Yeah, I mean, you saw it with Larry Fitzgerald as well, who was a great when you have a bad quarterback, it can affect you more than you think. Now, Andy, you brought this up, but it bears repeating again. He scored 30 fantasy points in a game with Nick Mullens. He scored 23 fantasy points.

He can do it, but I don't think he can do it consistently. Like when he had Kirk Cousins before the injury, he played a month with him. He was never not a wide receiver one. He was a wide receiver eight, 12, 5, 5. You're not getting that consistency out of him. And I think that there's a little bit of name, you know, golden name. He's Justin freaking Jefferson. He's the guy who, you know, was in debate for the number one pick in drafts last year

that is just making you go. Like you said, Mike, I mean, you can make the argument. He is the best wide receiver in the NFL. I mean, that's an easy argument to make. Yeah, Hopkins was the wide receiver four. Then he got Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage, and he became the wide receiver 30. And then the following four years, which I believe was Watson,

one, two, five, five. So it can happen, And we need to be realistic and remove the golden name. The two years before the Brock Osweiler was, the leading passer would have been Fitzpatrick and in 2015, Hoyer.

Yeah. He's still at five, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is why I think A.J. Brown, I mean really it's it's a.j brown and justin jefferson i couldn't imagine personally taking justin jefferson ahead of a.j brown this year with the quarterback situations of both those guys the wide receiver can't but what feels sexier on your team to look at before the games are played maybe justin Jefferson. I mean, that's what makes it hard for people.

Number four. Jamar Chase comes in at four. We know Jamar Chase is a fantasy difference maker. This is not about the resume when you get to this point. This is just the order we concluded. I'm sorry. He's had 20-plus fantasy points in 33% of his career games that's 45 career games

20 plus fantasy points a wide receiver is going to win you your week more often than not and that is a third of the time for Jamar Chase that is what you're buying the only people over the last three years with a higher percentage of those type of games are Tyree Kill Justin Jefferson and Cooper Cup

I mean he is a he is a weak winner, and he is a league winner. He is an absolute league winner so long as him and Burrow stay healthy together for the season. Yeah, can we get that, please? Yeah, I mean, we just haven't seen it. Can we have— Hungry for more health? Yeah.

I mean, just his rookie year, I get he was— Just do it. Rookie year, he was the wide receiver five. But then it's just we haven't got a complete in totality fulfillment of the promise of Jamar Chase. I mean, his sophomore year, he was a wide receiver one. The last one, he was the wide receiver 12. In 12 games. Yeah.

He was unbelievable. 16.6 points a game. His targets have still gone up three consecutive years. Yeah, he used to be one of those guys where it was like, you think you're going to get 70 receptions for just a ton of efficiency, and he's become more of like the every down, the high target, high volume, alpha wide receiver. It's just, to me, if Joe Burrow is healthy and Jamar Chase is healthy there is no question

you want Jamar Chase on your team and you don't want him on your opponent's team every single week no question and so it's just a matter of health to be healthy buddy number three Amon Ross St. Brown comes in at three what is there left to? I think I might be along with people that are still a bit skeptical that he will continue scoring touchdowns at the rate he does, considering the type of player he is, his size, his utilization in the slot, those things that don't usually... He went up from 6 to 10 last year. 10 is probably too much. And that's where it's like

if he's a 10 touchdown guy on the reg, then he deserves 100% to be the wide receiver 3 here. Without question. Because his consistency every game he is their passing offense. And they

have a good passing offense. I mean, you could make the argument that their wide receiver room has gotten worse. Their number two receiver is gone. Right now, Josh Reynolds is gone, and that was their number two guy. Here's a great question. Would you rather have Amon Ross-St. Brown's consistency or Jamar Chase's explosiveness? Like, that's a game theory.

Which can you get less of later in the draft? That's how I'm viewing that. And I feel like that's what I kind of fit into. I think you can probably find more explosiveness. Like the very infrequent. Like there's going to be guys who will give you four spike weeks for a season. Yeah, but you can't

play them or know when to play them. That might happen in best ball. I can agree that you don't know. I'm just saying the consistency of Amon Raw is I don't think you find that nearly anywhere else. It might be different in, you know, obviously a full PPR versus, you know. We had a Things to Remember episode, I believe it was a couple years ago.

It wasn't this last year. It was after we did the Truth Series. And digging deep into the numbers and seeing the research on what helps you win championships, my thing to remember was that most all wide receivers are inconsistent and the ones that you win championships with are the highest ceiling players, the ones that can put up the monstrous crazy points. And not that Amon Raw can't have a good weekly output and score two touchdowns in a game. He can. But I'm seeing this on my rankings that I've got Amon Raw can't have a good weekly output and score two touchdowns in a game. He can. But I'm seeing this on my rankings that I've got Amon Raw ahead of Jamar Chase, and I'm questioning if I'm on the clock, who would I really rather have?

And I think it's Chase. Okay. Number two. It's a pretty decent year for this guy. C.D. Lamb of the Dallas Cowboys, who's now put on the nfi list right um yeah is that the name of the right list or no it's the uh it was a not report so whatever the one is where he's not doing anything right now because he wants money give the man his money which has been super like how are you doing with these dynasty guys you've got them all paid

i i can't do anything no you haven't accomplished a darn thing. No. CeeDee Lamb, how's that deal? It's not there. Chase got money? Well, Chase is a little different. You're going to get fired. If I were. You're going to get fired. Honestly, Chase, go practice. Come on.

Yeah. Come on, buddy. You got enough contract left. Yeah, exactly. Hey, but you know what he's not doing? You know what none of your guys are doing? What is that? Getting injured.

Hey. Yeah. Yeah. Who's doing great things right now know what none of your guys are doing? What's that? Getting injured. Hey, yeah, yeah. Who's doing great things right now? Okay, okay. Who's doing great things right now? Yeah, I got CMC some extra money, and look at that. Yeah, but you know who's going to get injured at the start of the season? These guys who haven't been practicing. Oh, the Fat Thors of the world.

Yeah. CD Lamps coming in at number two. Jason's got them at one. Mike and I at number two. Do I really? Well, no. The stats bear out, but I view Tyreek.

I still view Tyreek as the player I would take. I feel like you've been talking about Tyreek. Over CeeDee. They're so close to each other. I would put CeeDee Lamb in that Tyreek and CMC category.

Those are the first three picks in every draft, right? I think so. Is there any draft that you've seen that those aren't the first three? No. 23.9 fantasy points per game for him after the bye. The next closest was 17 by Tyreek and Amin Ra. So it was outrageous. That's an unsustainable heater, though.

That obviously means Tyreek Hill is sitting there, 30 years old. He's got some more extra guaranteed money. 30 years young. I think he, what did he tweet out? He was 6% body fat at 30? He's unbelievable. It's really not a fair thing. I'm 60% body fat.

He is the most. I'm not 60% body fat. He is the most. I'm not 60% body fat. For those not on YouTube going, whoa, I know he jokes about being overweight, but this guy's. Imagine if you never watch on YouTube, you never see you before, and you say that. What mental transformation happened in their mind on how they thought you were? I became a South Park character. Yeah, you did. You exploded.

Yeah. No, you got to be like 50, 52%. Yeah, I'm under 60 now. 60%. Under 60%. Tyreek is unstoppable. He's unguardable. The offense runs through him.

He's everything you want. Consistency wise, 1800 receiving yards. I mean, you can't even stop him from having kids. I mean, you can't stop him from doing anything. Yeah. I mean, I love me some CD lamb. Obviously the numbers are bearing out that he has a finish ahead of of Tyreek but Tyreek physically is truly unstoppable I don't think you can scheme for him I don't think there's a thing a defense can do you can't double cover him he has an elite trait that is unreplicatable um good word his ability to just burst out of a cannon in any direction at any point in time there's just nothing you can do to really stop Tyreek and so yeah safe very safe and that's why you said you I feel like he is

safer despite the age he's safer than CeeDee Lamb to me and apparently uh CMC to you right now yeah right now with with a calf problem for CMC okay all right we did it we counted them down and you can see all of the rankings and the projections associated with the rankings at the Ultimate Draft Kit or in the Ultimate Draft Kit at ultimatedraftkit.com. What do we got coming up? Anybody? Running back rankings on Thursday, 23-11. We got our tips and tricks episode next week and next week the my guys the my guys are happening yep yep i'm gonna where i'm gonna knock one out of the park again i got another mike evans on the way i got two i mean not mike evans is another right yeah it's this year's

mike evans so you have two locks i've got two locks i got two and a half locked two i don't think that's a lock ed i got two i'm locked at two okay all right got two and a half locked. I don't think that's a lock, Andy. I got two locked. I'm locked at two as well. And we can trade. I think I am going to mention for the first time a couple of finalists before I reveal the My Guys this year. Okay, I like that.

I think a couple. Just get a little credit. A little credit, none of the blame, baby. All right, that'll do it for today's none of the blame, baby. Yeah, there you go. All right, that'll do it for today's episode of the show. Thank you for joining us. It's going to be a fun couple of weeks, and football time is here. So thank you for tuning in. Thank you for listening.

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