Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Trade Targets + TNF Preview, Backup Options - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/24

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Sep 24, 2025. Players to trade FOR and trade AWAY in fantasy football leagues! Find out who Andy, Mike, and Jason are targeting in trades before Week 4 kicks off. Plus, waiver wire backup options, and a preview of Thursday Night Football. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.(00:00) Intro(03:55) Backup Options(14:00) NFL News(17:40) Let’s Talk Trades(18:10) Javonte Williams(23:55) Jacory Croskey-Merrit(27:30) AJ Brown(31:20) Garrett Wilson(35:45) Ashton Jeanty(40:05) Josh Jacobs(43:30) Seahawks at Cardinals(50:45) Mailbag(51:05) Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones this week?(52:20) Jameson Williams or Brian Thomas Jr. this week?(55:25) Trade Deebo Samuel for Quentin Johnston?(57:20) AJ Brown or Deebo Samuel this week?Connect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Fantasy Footballer's Studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Wednesday, September 24th. Mike, the fantasy hitman is here. Jason Moore. He made it. And Andy Holloway, that's my name. We're back.

Yeah, I introduced myself like I was. Allow myself to introduce. You were bebop. and Jay you were the music was soaring through me today so thank you Mike you are like Gloria Estefan

oh oh whoa whoa whoa the rhythm got you look I can take some compliments but you can't be group you can't be lumping me in with that yeah that is legend yes thank you Jason you should you should dress up as

you should dress up as sir for Halloween because I did like one of the like pop idols one of the years and so that you could do like an 80s I'm gonna consider it does she have a beard

yeah no she just not have a beard also the the amount of people listening to our show who are up to date and current with Taylor Swift versus

Gloria Stephan Gloria Stefan they there's not much of a crossover they do that Congo do do do do I believe it's the Konga but

Congo you did yeah that is a different place more of a jungle All right. We've got a trade episode today. Thursday night preview NFL news, backup options, and some mailback. That's a lot. It's jam packed. It's jam packed. We also have a current leader in the megalobole. Sweet Pickens. Sweet Pickens is in the lead with 472 points right now. 472 points. Sweet Pickens. I hope you got George Pickens on your roster. It seems likely.

Like that. I mean, George Pickens, the opportunity for him to secure the bag. Oh, it's gone up. It is in front of him. I mean, if he has. I didn't think about that. If he has three to four weeks of, okay, can you be the number one guy? If he goes out and balls out, he will earn himself so much money.

That's a really good point. And we got to watch it all on Sunday night football. Oh, are they? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Nice. Wow. Sorry, I was curious, Mr. Walking.

Wow. Speaking of golf, the, so you're talking about 470 points for the Megalibol leader right now? Yes. And I'm crushing, I'm crushing in Megalibol in my league. I'm 6 and 0. I've got more points in everybody. And I'm like just below 400 points. I was like, what place does that put me in?

I am in 1,020th place. Tough. Stuff in the Megal Bowl streets, man. I'm not at the top thousand? No. That's crazy. No. But you're undefeated. Yes. So far, so good. And there's a long way to go.

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And we would appreciate it. Time to jump in. Backup options presented by Progressive Insurance All right, we have another edition of backup options. We just had all of the waiver wire, you know, all the waiver wire players were just picked up in all of our leagues this morning right before we started the show. we always remind you after waiver wires go through we like to say drop it like it's hot take a look at your waivers and who was let go and maybe you can pick up a steal of somebody that got frustrated

and shouldn't have dropped somebody so most dropped players right now on sleeper over the last 24 hours russell wilson i don't care jake browning don't care that much deck i think he is somebody you could stash if you if you need to so yeah The next four weeks, Green Bay. Tough matchup, but without CD, you're not going to play them anyways. Yeah. In New York. Jets, Carolina, Washington, the next three, there is a chance.

I mean, with the, I'm not currently up today, like what the by-week situation is for over those, you know, not this week, but the next three. But you will need quarterback options. And I would stash back. If he were on our waivers, I would have stashed him immediately. Top six drops right now at running back. You tell me if you want them on your team. Dylan Samson? No.

Naji. Not possible. Why did I read that name? I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't pick him up. Ramandre? Yes, definitely.

I would pick him up. Without a doubt. Yeah. I would pick him up with so, so many doubts. Tank Bigsby, yeah, you don't need him. Kyle Menongai. Yeah, I'd stashed Monongai. And then Jaden Blue, probably doesn't matter.

He's too far removed. Not at all. I mean, if Javante went down, then you might pick up Jaden Blue, but the starter would be Miles Sanders. Romeo Dobbs, who could bounce back this week. People did. They already did. Troy Franklin and Marvin Mims after a disappointing week. I'd rather have Franklin.

Yeah, I'd get Franklin immediately. Jaden Higgins, there's not really a path. There just isn't. I mean, now you've got Christian Kurt. Yeah, he came in. Hutchinson. Way ahead of him. I mean, like, they can't.

They're horrible. offense. Higgins had his chance to try and steal that starting job but he did not take it. Yeah, they cannot pass the football. No. C.J. Stroud is a whole discussion.

He is. Did you see, I shared it in our Slack, the Anthony Richardson v. C.J. Stroud numbers over the past 15 games or whatever it was. I don't remember what that one was. This is good, Mike. You've got to bring it up.

Let me keep. me it. Okay, I got it. Richardson probably hasn't played 15. This was, in 15 career starts for Anthony Richardson. So he did play 15 games. This was a tweet from John Davis from Colts report. Anthony Richardson in 15 career starts. Now it's, of course, very dumbed down, but 8 and 7 record, so winning record, 21 total touchdowns, 13 interceptions. C.J. Stroud and his last 15 starts.

6 and 9, 15 total touchdowns, 12 interceptions. Yeah, he's not. He's actually not playing good football. No, he is not. And we've done all of the blaming of other things so far, like the offensive line, the fact that Tank Dell and Stefan Diggs went out and, you know, like he has, he's got weapons now. Yep. So I went back yesterday and I watched every snap from Stroud, every passing snap from Stroud, I should say, because I wanted to know for Dynasty on the Dynasty podcast, how did he look? Because he's been terrible. He's been objectively bad.

And I feel like he doesn't have weapons. He had Nico out there who had a drop or two, had a bomb touchdown. Stroud to me looked like he is still good, but he doesn't run the ball. His offensive line is many pieces away from being deep. They are tremendously bad. And outside of Nico, there just felt like there was no running game, no running back to dump the ball off too. How fast did Dalton Schultz look? Dalton Schultz was like a locomotive getting started.

It started rolling and then caught the ball and then his tackled. Pryors confirmed. They are not using motion. They're not using play action. They don't have a bad offense. They don't have a running game. You could still play action. It still works.

But I mean, it would help if Joe Mixon was there. This would be a better offense by a lot. Yeah. Travis Hunter frequently dropped. Maybe he's somebody you can pick up and stash. Yeah, I said, I think I said yesterday that he is so close to being dropped, but I wouldn't drop him just yet. I think the fact he had six or more targets

the first two weeks, you could hold him and wait and see. Evan Ingram, Harold Fanon, don't, I mean, Harold Fanon is... No, I'm not dropping Fanon. They played Green Bay. And he had a big play called back on a penalty. So there you go. Let's look at some other backup options

that we think are beyond what got picked up on waivers that might be worth a stash. All right, I will jump in because mine is for... We got our friends and our listeners who are running in deep leagues. So this is a deep league pickup, but it's something that I think should be paid attention to. The Kansas City Chiefs running backs have been bad, objectively bad. And will that improve?

That is TBD. But in the meantime, if you're in a deep league, Brashard Smith is a name you need to pay attention to. Bless you, Jason. Thank you. You okay over there? I was muted, but it was a big one. I'm not muted.

and Breschard Smith he's a seventh round pick so the odds are already low but you know the situation with Pacheco he's running the wrong direction on plays causing fumbles Kareem Hunt is so past his prime

I'm just saying we it wouldn't surprise me if at some point they just say we got we got to try somebody else I actually I actually completely agree with this because they Oh got you with the deep stand Nice.

Well, I think, I was thinking about it during the game when I saw Breschad Smith out there briefly. He has juice. I was like, this team is not, they're not going to be patient with like a completely unproductive running game. There's a reason Pacheco ever got snaps. Right. There's a reason that we've seen different lower tier running backs get opportunities. Derek McKinnon had a resurgence of his career in Kansas City. Like, Tyquan Thornton is another example.

Like, whether is Breschard Smith or literally another back off of the waiver wire, they're going to run. run out of patience if they keep losing ball games and cannot have a productive running game in any capacity. We've seen, like, Clyde Edwards-Alaire had first round draft pedigree, and he got, I think, two years or so because of that draft capital. And then they're like, hey, Pacheco, you have juice. Show us what you can do. So, just kind of going back to the sneeze. Jason muted your, you muted your mic, but it was a very voluminous sneeze. Yeah. It was like pretty loud. And we're flanking you right on both sides. And so

apparently we got like a really good stereo mix of the sneeze. Is that right? Must sound really good in a car. And so like Al's like, oh gosh, why are you talking about this? Because I was going to totally get that sneeze wiped out of the recording. Nah. But now who doesn't want a stereo sneeze? I want

people in their cars to feel like it hit him in the face. It felt my cat. He was in my brain. That was a pretty like quick draw bless you too. You're like I got to stop the sneeze with the bless you. I feel like now you should just unmute my mic. Let it go through. Oh, yeah, that's on the... You can do that in post. Oh, man. Arronday Gadsen. Yeah. Who is the second? He is the second. His dad was a tight in. I mean, we're bringing you some nasty boys today.

This is a tight in for the Chargers suit. His dad played in six NFL seasons primarily for the dolphins. Yeah, he had a nice one-handed catch. Did you see that one? Yes. Do you know who his dad is? who Orande Gadsden's dad's dad is. He's also known as his grandfather. Yes. Pioneering Texas sausage maker, Orange Holloway. Okay.

So you've dug that out. I thought we were going to get like a three layers of football name. Yeah, this is a sausage maker. Orange is. So they went from. Orange. Orange was a thing. They went from Holloway to Gadsen.

That's right. They're like, Holloway so bad. They've got to go to Gadsen. Holloway's associated. with the sausage making. Yeah. Okay.

Thank you for that. You're welcome. We go deep. Please return to sneezing now. But he was a fifth round pick. He had a nice debut in place of Will Disley for the Chargers. If Disney was to miss more time, seven targets, five for 46, athletic. We've actually only had like three tight ends in the last 15, 20 years that are day three

titans that have caught five or more passes in the first game. He's got the pedigree. So pay attention. We're like, we're giving you the deep stash. in this backup options. And mine is not that deep of a stash, but it's someone who was cut in a lot of leagues. I personally had him, played him two weeks ago,

Zachertz, cut him this last week for Mark Andrews, because I needed those points. And you are the Mark Andrews whisperer. Yeah, and, you know, it was going to be Marcus Marietta, and now you need to pick Zacherts back up. He's a very good play. He was the tight-in two before this last week. If, you know, if he's got his starting quarterback,

you're probably without Terry McClure. almost certainly right now. Sure. So this is a very used, necessary weapon that has been good, is looked at the goal line. And he was, he's on the majority of waivers. So Zach Hertz, if you are tight and needy, I think a very good pickup.

And honestly, without McLaurin, now I'm willing to play him with Mariota. But if Jaden Daniels comes back, it's even better. All right, we gave you three names. And that was backup option, sponsored by Progressive Insurance, quote today at progressive.com. Time to dog news. news and notes from around the league presented by progressive insurance very very petite news section today

yeah we don't have a lot but we do have some important news wide receiver news i mean let's start with terry mccloren doesn't sound great um seeking additional opinions i i can tell you this in my life when i get the opinion from someone that i want That's where I stop. That's what I was going to ask. I stopped there. I do not seek additional opinions. Has anyone ever?

Has anyone ever gone to a doctor, got great news, and then been like, I need, I need more? No, the second opinion is never like maybe it's worse. Like, Jason, I walk in the room. I go, do I look nice? You go, yeah, I'm not looking for other opinions. Right. You tell me I don't look that good. I'm going to find some other people.

Tara McLaurin, getting additional opinions on his injured quad. The concern that I'm seeing is that they're not. not a hundred percent sure it's quad versus core muscle I did see that which was really weird to me I saw that and it's like oh this could be a core muscle but isn't that like isn't your core like above your hips how can you confuse that I always thought your core your core is like just under the nips and then it goes down to like a little like mid thigh it's your core it must nips to hips if you can't a little bit below the hips okay is what I'm seeing all right okay Well, below the hips makes sense, then.

Anyways, he's getting additional opinions on the quad. He could miss this week. Terry, give me a call. I'll give him an opinion. I don't think his real issue is where his core is. I think he just wants to know what the injury is. But you never know.

Chiefs are optimistic Xavier Worthy will be able to play a limited role in the offense while wearing a small harness. It's just not the best sentence for confidence for fantasy. No, we had talked about like when Worthy comes back, he's so needed right now. You mean, you just watch these chiefs and see Patrick Mahomes running because he doesn't have someone to throw the ball to. And you want to plug Worthy right in. This is actually a really good report because it's going to stop people from doing that. It's going to stop people

from the first week he's back, throwing him in a lineup, thinking maybe you can get something deep. Maybe you can get a bunch of little dinkaduck screens and PPR leagues. Like he's not going to get enough work his first game back if it's soon. Falcons head coach, this is now something we say. So that tells you where we're out with Atlanta. Falcons head coach Rahim Morris said Michael Pinnock's will start week four. Oh, goodness gracious. You got to answer that question with, I'm not answering that question.

We have a quarterback. He said Kirk lost his job last year. We're not even close to that with Mike. He had a bad game. So there he go. I mean, he did have a bad game. No, no, no. That's just, it's upsetting by the media. Yeah, it is a little bit. It is a little bit. Yeah, it's not. I mean, it's the inevitable

question every time you, this is what not trading Kirk. This is why I thought Kirk was 100% traded. Yes, because you had to get rid of this. It's because I didn't want this to happen to them in week four is you can't have the player sitting back behind. Yeah, but then they overvalued Kirk Cousins. Yeah, that was news and note sponsored by Progressive Insurance Quote Today at Progressive.com, Progressive Casualty Insurance Company Affiliates and Third Party Insurers, not available in all states are situations covered subject policy terms,

limits, and conditions. I told you we had a trade episode. Let's do it. Let's talk trades. Three trade four players, three trade away players. That is what we're going to cover today before we get into the Thursday night preview. Do you have a problem? preference do we want to talk about tradeaways before we talk about the trade fours

sounds like you do i don't know it sounded like it it sounded that way so let's do that okay who do you want to trade away right now who do you think the best tradeaway candidate is because i got a name that i don't know if either of you guys will agree with then you start i do not agree with yours so why don't you start javanti williams okay javante williams is my number one tradeaway candidate and unfortunately there is always like a direct correlation between trade away and I think you're bad at football I'm not trying to make that case I think Javante has surpassed expectations I think he has looked good Sands won fumble slash handing the ball off to Chicago I mean he has looked really really good now he has scored three touchdowns do you believe in

the Dallas offensive line no do you believe that they have the same threat in the passing game without CD lane? No. Do you believe he's going to score 18 touchdowns? No. Okay. Those are the three. Do you believe you can trade him like someone believes that they're going to, that he's going to score 18 touchdowns? I think because we're at that point now where the kind of inclinations and the first impressions have given way to more established opinions. And I think that

that's the reason this segment is showing up on heading into week four. And I think Javonte Williams has gotten a ton of deserved praise. But I think this is a turning point for the Dallas offense and the Dallas situation. They have a very difficult schedule throughout, I mean, they have Green Bay coming up. I don't think Green Bay is going to be a great game for Javante Williams. They just had more offensive line injuries. You know, it always comes down to what you can get for them. But the running back position has been very, very scarce, very difficult to find any production.

if you were a team that drafted R.J. Harvey or Trayvion Henderson, Ashton Genty, who will talk about, you are hurting. Giovante has represented tremendous production, and he's highly ranked. So to me, you know, this is your moment. If you're going to get a maximum value out of Giovante, this would be the time. I think you are right that you're going to get your max for him right now. That part I agree with. And honestly, for your play style, Andy, you're a, you know, a mile a minute.

trader in the leagues that you play in. This is perfect. This is day trading. This is like you recognize that these next couple weeks, you know, going, playing against the Packers with two injured linemen and no CD Lamb, it's not going to be a good game. Here's the next four. Green Bay is the number one team against the running back position. Then it's the Jets who are 12th. Carolina is sixth, Washington is eighth. Carolina is not a good run defense. It may be the first couple weeks. This exact same thing happened with them. You know, we've seen this. with teams that are not great defenses. I mean, it's not like Bijan blew up on them last week.

Right now, they're giving up the sixth least fantasy points. That's all I'm saying. My pause to move Javante away is that it is not just an overwhelming efficiency on the ground. Like, he is so important to the offense right now and the targets of week two, seven targets, week three, five targets. It's like that is, those types of numbers for someone who is also getting the bulk of the carries, it can be pretty difficult to find. So I agree with the sentiment that you're going to see, you'll see a dip in value of Javante after this upcoming week because it's probably going to be pretty tough.

But at the same time, like, if, well, Cassidy Lamb's not going to play. Is Javante going to see another seven targets in that matchup? And he might just half or full point P.P. yard his way into being an okay type of performance. Yeah, yeah, I like the target totals. I don't like the yardage on the targets. That's got a really high for running backs. It feels more like a Chuba situation in the passing game.

Five for 16 last year. Maybe. What's so difficult with Javante is coming out of college, that was something he could do. Like that was a part of his profile. Chuba is just, that's never been part of his game as a running back. Javante was a fully well-rounded running back who just had his entire career derailed by a knee injury that he couldn't seem to bounce back from

and through three weeks it looks like he has bounced back finally. We saw it last year. Last year you know, Javante had a ton of work in the past game. 70 targets ended up with 346 yards. I think that's he will get a lot of PPR value but not.

So right now he has the fifth most targets at the running back position. That's a tough one. Chuba has a higher yards per catch career-wise than Javante does. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying he's going to get the targets, but it's not necessarily going to be the big plays. And so I do think it's the opportune time to trade him. Because I don't think, like I said,

I don't think that their offensive line that is getting weaker is good. I think he's not scoring 18 times. And I think that this Dallas offense is really going to struggle for a long period of time. I think just a quick reminder for everyone. Tradeaway does not mean fire sell these players. Correct. No, this is an opportunity to see who will give you

maximum value. Right. All right, we'll take a break and come back with your two tradeaway candidates and I'm really sad about mics. All right, two more tradeaway candidates, then we'll get into our trade four names, but you know, I teased it before the break, Mike. I don't like it.

Sure. I probably agree with it. but more like secretively. Like I don't want to publicly agree. I got you. We'll start it with this. He still is extremely exciting. Jacori Kroski married, aka Bill Kroski. Oh, no, Jay.

You don't got one for me today? Oh, I didn't know we were telling jokes here on this show? You were supposed to have one. You didn't know we were telling jokes on this show? Bill Krosky could get a big Mac from Burrowski. Burger King. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. I think that his name still carries some value, some trade value of all the guys out of Washington. He is the one that I would want. So again, this is not a fire cell of Bill Kroski, but there are some things that I don't like. Zero snaps on third down. Like he, he's probably not going to be anything when it comes to the receiving game.

Yeah, how many catches does he have on the year? Do you know? Is it zero? It's probably zero. Oh, it's one catch for five yards. He... That sucks. He has...

When he's getting opportunities, he's looking good. But it's just... It's strange, right? Of Chris Rodriguez, from a healthy scratch for multiple weeks to two of the first drives. Perhaps it was a make-good with Rodriguez. That's to be determined. The biggest thing for Bill that I'm concerned about is, while he has to play his way into being the main guy,

His schedule is rough. Like Atlanta, right now, I know last week was a disaster, but they're good against, they've been good against running backs. The Chargers, Chicago. You do have two plus matchups, at least based off of how defenses are playing right now. You have Dallas in four weeks. But then, and then Kansas City, that's, I don't know if they'll be able to, I think Kansas City will turn it around.

But then after that, it just, it shuts down even more. So while we're only three weeks in and you don't want to make concrete decisions about schedule and who defenses are at this point, got to kind of start making some decisions about how things are trending and for the trend of the Washington running backs being a three-person timeshare with the schedule, I think I would try to get out if I could. Do you think if he has, you think what would turn it for him would be a couple of big runs? Do you think if he had like a, you know, 65-yard touchdown run or a big play that he would start to force their hand a little bit in the running game? I would think so, but that also happened in week one.

You had, I mean, the very nice touchdown run that he had. And then as they were closing out the game, he was the one who broke off a huge carry that essentially ended the game. And then he was rewarded the next week against Green Bay with four carries. Their schedule is pretty brutal. That's what I mean. Four out of five games on the road coming up. And it's like after, you know, so after Kansas City, Seattle, Detroit, then after the by week, Denver, Minnesota, a game against Philadelphia right in the middle of your fantasy playoffs.

He's just, he's a player that you don't have to trade, but if someone is interested in thinking that Bill's going to take over and be the main guy for Washington, I might try and get out because the passing work, the passing work freaks me out. and we still don't know if he will definitely be the goal line guy over Chris Rodriguez. Jason, you said, thank you for your service. Six for 109 and a touchdown. Yeah, I got a sweet trade offer for this guy in League of Record immediately. I have been trying to unload my tradeaway player, AJ Brown, who is... You're trying to capitalize on the big week?

Yeah, I mean, he's awesome. He obviously hasn't lost anything as a player. you saw that this last week. Breaking tackle, stepping over guys, moss and guys, 100 yards, a touchdown. I can't tell if we're getting pitched right now. No, I mean, but this is, this is the pitch. This is, I'm not trying to trade him away for pennies on the dollar. I'm trying to trade him away.

Drake London? Would you rather have Drake London? Yeah. Because that situation sucks too. Drake London's situation sucks. I think you should be able to get Drake London plus something with how bad he's played. He has not had the career. He's not on the offense.

A.J. Brown is on. He's not coming off of a good performance. So in most leagues, I would think it would be, you know, Drake London plus something. And that's the type of deal that I would be looking to make. Obviously, there's a lot of context in every league as to, you know, is this a keeper league? Is this, you know, more nuanced?

But A.J. Brown scares me from a Philadelphia Eagles perspective. Their defense and their running game is so doggone good that they don't always need him. We saw that the first couple of weeks. And I think you're going to have a lot of disappearing acts. So this is where I'm just saying because he just had a monster game, you know, a lot of people saw him looking like himself. He's obviously A.J. Brown.

He carries a humongous name. You feel good with him on your roster. If you can trade him for someone that is, you know, more up-up-up, like... Would you trade him for Keenan Allen? I would not trade him for Keenan Allen. I think that Keenan Allen, what you've seen from Ladd-McConkey has been very disappointing. I think that'll pinball back and forth between Keenan Allen and Ladd-McConkey. Do you trade him for Marvin Harrison?

I mean, so these are the type of players where I'm looking to trade. If I'm going down, if I'm going to another disappointing player, I'm looking to get them plus something. Marv plus something. Abuca? Yeah. Would you trade him for Abuca straight up? straight up for Ibuka. I think I would.

What's that? You are definitely getting a trade offer in your... No, no, I'd rather have a Buka. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think I would trade him. With the injury to Evans, I think I wouldn't trade him for a Bucca straight up. You can send it and I'll decline it. Yeah, there you go.

I also think that it... I dare you to send that. He's a great name. And then I take the offer. Oh, that would be the most amazing. I'll go go show you how fast I declined this offer. Except... Gotcha.

That's how I trade. But he's also someone that coming off of a big game with a big name, you can trade him plus something to maybe elevate, to maybe go up a notch. Oh, yeah, you throw AJ Brown plus somebody that, you know, maybe a younger player, AJ Brown plus Keon Coleman, AJ Brown plus. Yeah, and try to go, you know, to someone that is looking like, hey, he's going to be a stud this year.

And it's okay because I'm giving you a stud in AJ Brown. A.J. Brown's going to have tons of great games. just like he did this week I am not calling A.J. Brown a bust on the season but I think it will be a very his consistency score is not going to be great. No, because they'll be disappearing acts.

If you offer me Jonathan Taylor and A.J. Brown for A.J. Brown for a book I'll still turn it down. I promise. All right. I'm going to I'll make the offer. If you want to send that through. All right. Let's talk about some trade four candidates. How about that? Sure.

Oh my gosh. For a moment there, I genuinely thought Mike you had put Giovante Williams in is your name. And I was like, we really got to get talking about what we're doing on the show here for a second. No, I can start because the, the generous trade offer that I received from Jason was for my player, which is a trade four player. Oh, so he was trying to do also my second round pick. Okay. It was, yeah, I was looking for Garrett Wilson Plus. Yeah, my trade for, sometimes you have to buy players high. That is part of the game. We all want to trade for players when they're the lowest in value. And see,

them skyrocket. We all want to buy a penny stock, but sometimes you got to buy a big boy stock, and I think that Garrett Wilson is here to stay. He is currently the wide receiver nine on the season. Yeah, in terms of, I mean, these are the, it's the regular, your trade for is Garrett Wilson. My trade for is Garrett Wilson. Now, target share, percentage of team receiving yards, percentage of first read targets. Like, he is right there with Puka and JSN. Of course, his quarterback play is not the same as those guys, but if you don't have the quarterback play, you better have an amazing amount of opportunity. And then Kyle was digging in.

And, you know, part of our concern with, say, Marb, we're not getting any layups, you know, and that was part of Garrett Wilson's problem, too, you know, from 2022 through 24, he was running a go route, which is, you know, very valuable if you catch the ball, but low percentage odds that you're going to come down with it. In the mid-20s, through three weeks, he's only running a go-rout on 7% of his routes, which to me, when you pair that with the quarterback play, that is good management.

That is, I need to make sure that my best player is around my quarterback and can get the ball, and then he can make something happen. So I'm varying on Garrett Wilson being good for fantasy football, I'll remain it. Regardless of if it's Tyrod or Justin Fields, I think either of them will have the ability to get it done. He'll have some down weeks like he did week two. Absolutely. But the way that they're utilizing him, I think that it is more here to stay than it has been in the past for Garrett Wilson. And on top of that, his schedule is quite juicy. I warned about making concrete things about the schedule. But again, trends right now where it stands, I think the Jets are the fourth or fifth easiest wide receiver schedule moving forward and then his fantasy playoffs as people like to talk about it at jacksonville at new orleans and then against the new england patriots these those are three juicy matchups maybe Gonzalez will probably be back for new england by then but that is looking pretty good along with the rest of his schedule his utilization his market share

everything about garret wilson right now screams that he is going to be a top 12 wide receiver at the end of the year. How do you feel about Justin Fields in the long term? I think I like him. I think that it is it is worth going and getting him. Week 2 was terrible and you had the concussion

but there will be huge, huge spike weeks I still believe for Justin Fields. I also made I meant to ask this during the AJ Brown conversation but where are you guys now with the Tush push three weeks into this season? Oh I mean I've shared it in I think it was week two

that I want to defend it because when I look at it as it's just a play we can't stop, then you sound like a coward. But the amount that they are doing it and the amount that they are getting away with false starts is like you can't keep doing this.

And you can't make the refs call a false start every single time you're doing the play. I think that's kind of the part of their schick is like, okay, go ahead, call it every single time. I dare you to try and do that. People will be so mad about the product that they just don't do it. So I can't wait to watch it this week, man. It will be gone next.

Do you see who Tampa Bay signed? 490 pounds. Desmond Watson. To the practice squad. Yeah, baby. They're going with the big goalie approach. You're like in the NHL. Why haven't we tried just putting like a sumo in the goal?

You have to have one giant dude on every roster. to stop it. What are we doing? Nobody thinks this is fun to watch. I agree. I try to defend it and then they just abused it. My trade for candidate, it was a trade for going into last week. It's a trade four going into this week.

It's Ashton Genty of the Las Vegas Raiders. And you know, I understand how frustrating it's been. He's the running back 33. He was Jason's two for two, two consecutive years in predicting which rookie was way overdrafted.

It was Marvin Harrison last year. It was Ashton Gentie this year. That's been the case. And do I think it will be smooth for Genti? No, not really. You talk to Raiders fans, Raiders reporters. I don't know if they can stop talking about how bad this offensive line has been. And then connecting it to the potential nepotism of Pete Carroll's son who is coaching the offensive line and how he needs to go.

and how this offensive line is the major problem for the team. All that being said, it is hard to find true bell cow every downbacks, and Ashton Jinty is one of them. He scored one time on the year. It has been tough sledding, but the player, Jason talked about it on Monday, I think. Ashton Jinty is very, very good. He is making the very, very most of a really difficult situation, and I think you're going to see some improvement from both the offensive line,

from his production, the touchdown numbers, and the kind of getting into the flow of this offense. It takes time for rookies. There's nobody to threaten him. Rahim Moster hasn't seen a snap. Zemir White, we've been there, done that. Laubi. Come on.

I don't like that, you know, I think he's the perfect by-low right this moment because we got a really pedestrian week from him again. But the attempts and opportunities, I think you're going to see the targets go back up, at least four or five targets a week and you know it's been hard

it's been frustrating but I am actively looking to pick up Ashton Genty because I think that the schedule is going to lighten up a little bit and they're going to figure out how to utilize them better. You are smirking a lot. I don't really know because you have found your Ken Walker

oh gosh welcome in why is that my Ken Walker oh I get it totally because it's the exact same argument that I've been making for Ken Walker's argument is all based on injury. Yeah. If Ken Walker never got hurt, I would not be on the opposite side of Ken Walker. The, the inefficiencies. I get that part. Yes. And you're like, I'm telling you with the stupid offensive line. The talent should overrule at some point in time. And there are plenty,

there's already plenty of carries of seeing Gentie where you're like, that is a special, special player. He's been hit at or behind the line of scrimmage on 57% of his rush. attempts is that him or walker probably both it's probably that's exactly the walker story yes yeah but but it is because offensive line matters so so much i mean you look around the league right now i would trade javanti for action gentsy you look at the teams it might go through wait who would you trade javanti oh sure yeah and i think that that's why that might go through i think it i think it might you might be able to want on that i doubt most people that spent what they spent on Gentie.

That are 0 and 3. Go on. No, I get it. I'm not saying don't offer it. I would offer that. I'm saying I think more often than not it will get rejected. But if you can get that to go through, I mean, look, that's not the only name.

But I think Genti is a target. I think this is the time. I think the sentiment, you know, the fact that any rookie struggling gets so much publicity now with fantasy football. We saw it with Hampton. We saw it with Henderson. We've seen it with Caleb Johnson. I mean, it's like we, it's almost more exciting to,

to dump on these rookies when they're not performing. And Genty, to me, it's just a matter of getting this team and this offense, which is a new quarterback, dealing with the injuries to Bowers. I think they're going to figure it out. Yeah, Brooks just posted. Giovante is at 51 total points and Genties at 23. Yeah, if you're ever going to try it? Yeah, now's the time.

You never would have dreamed of such things before the season began. And I don't mind throwing in something with Giovante to make it go over the finish line. If you want to throw, you know, whatever. You got Travis Hunter on your team with Giovante. Sure. Janty and Travis Hunter to try to get Ginty, some sexy production and name. I don't know. That's my pick.

No, that makes sense. My trade for candidate is someone who's been great. It's going to cost you a lot. It's just like what Mike was saying. Sometimes you've got to pay up. This is not, oh, he's been so bad. You're going to get him for pennies on the dollar. No.

People love Josh Jacobs. He's been okay. He's the running back 19. He's just been okay. But he's still been, like, two running backs have seen 40% of their teams total rush attempts and targets in all three games this year. It's Saquan and it's Jacobs. Four fantasy running backs. We've seen 20 plus opportunities in all three games this year. CMC, Sequan, Jonathan Taylor, and Jacobs. The workload is there. The thing is, is his

schedule so far, like he just is coming off of a game where they shockingly lost against the unbelievable defense of the Cleveland Browns, who shut down Derek Henry and really shut down Josh Jacobs, 16 attempts for 30 yards. That was not. not Jacobs' fault. That was the Cleveland Brown's fault. They are awesome. They're about to go to Dallas, and Josh Jacobs is going to be unbelievable. I see Josh Jacobs personally is like a top five running back. I see him not as, you know, an RB1. I don't know how his situation can be any better than it is. He has a great offensive line, a great offense, a passing game that is kind of struggling, but also a defense that is maybe the best in the league.

This is the recipe we saw with Saquan last year. And so I think that my issue I have with Packers' wide receivers is just, I don't know how much they're going to be needed. Josh Jacobs is awesome. He looks good and he hasn't gone off this year yet. You know, he's been... The big game. Yeah, he hasn't had a big game.

He hasn't had a single game of... Yeah, he hasn't had a top 10 performance, hasn't scored 15 fantasy points. on a week. Welcome to Dallas. And the rest of season, oh, Packers have the easiest rest of season schedule for running backs. Their upcoming schedule, Dallas, Bengals, Bengals, Cardinals, Steelers, Carolina. Like, juicy. Let me ask you. I've got some, real quick, I've got some things in mind. If I had someone who has been going off and is a stud, a Jonathan Taylor. I was just going to literally read you the names that are finished above Josh Jacobs on the year. Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, Christian McCaffrey, Bejohn, Gibbs, those type of guys. I would be willing to go get

Jonathan Taylor in another really good, like, I'm weak at wide receiver, let's say, and I've got Jonathan Taylor. Go see if the Josh Jacobs team can give Josh Jacobs and a really good wide receiver because I think you, while I'm not, like I think Jonathan Taylor might finish as the running back one. But you're not going. that far down when you go to Josh Jacobs. Alternatively, there are guys like Devon A. Chan, who scored more than him and looked great. Like, I would much rather have Jonathan Taylor. Kyran?

Yeah. You mean you'd rather have Josh Jacobs? I would rather have Josh Jacobs. Derek Henry, would you rather? Derek Henry or Josh Jacobs. Straight up, I would rather have Josh Jacobs. I think that's a big question right there. And so there are also guys below them where you pair people together and go get Josh Jacobs.

But I think Josh Jacobs' rest of season is a top five running back. Okay. All right. No, that's, it makes sense. We'll take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk some Thursday night football. When you have to talk about the Cardinals, is it better to just get it out of the way like this? Yeah, rip the band. Rip it off. Thursday night football, Seattle, two and one. Cardinals, two and one. Vegas line Seattle on the road minus one and a half Opened with the Cardinals minus one and a half Interesting

People have spoken Yeah I mean I Arizona's defense has played well The overrunner in this game is 43 and a half Seattle's defense same story Special teams last week defense was the story I do see the game as a coin flip The fact is in Arizona

Seattle won both games last year One of them was 16 to 6 hopefully we don't get that on Thursday night football. That'd be a tough start to the week. Week 14 was 30 to 18. They won them both. Kyler is one and three on Thursday nights in his career, two and eight versus Seattle.

Seattle getting back some key pieces in the secondary. Seattle had a really, really easy time at home last week against the Norlands Saints. You know, one of the big pieces of this game that I'll start with, the running game, Arizona Lodge James Connor for the season. It's going to be Trey Benson. which he's a he's a good play this week he's a good play he's a good back um you know do you do you see him kind of sliding in an rb two range this week uh yeah i mean and chase brown and how bad he's

been would you rather play trey benson i would as well what about quench on judkins and what we saw last week versus tray benson judkins who's he he's got a tough matchup this week uh Detroit yeah i mean i benson I want Judkins in my lineup He had a tough matchup against the Green Bay Packers Yeah Let's try to have an unemotional real conversation About Marvin Harrison Jr.

Fair It was rough Is it silence? No, no, there's me. You said fair. You said fair And Jason is only being fair at this point. That wasn't me.

That was Marvin. Sorry, go on. All right, I'm done. I doubt it. Marvin Harrison or D.K. Metcalfe against Minnesota. Tough, tough defense and matchup for Metcalf. Do you believe that Marvin Harrison will bounce back this week from a really frustrating, disappointing, three for 44, blew a touchdown, maybe a 75-yard touchdown earlier in the game?

Like the emotional, like if you wanted to, I think Marvin Harrison is a baby by now. I agree. I agree with that. It's so negative. It's so negative. And what's ironic is that the thing that pushes it over the top in negative is his two drops in that game. Sure. But also he had, they're frustrating because what could have been? And if he had actually caught those, which obviously Marvin Harrison knows how to catch passes, he's not going to drop every pass. This should not be a sentence we have to say.

I know. But it's like he's going to. he's going to catch those more often and he drops those. Vert your hands. Vertical, my man. And, you know, had he caught those last week, it would be the exact opposite. It'd be like, wow, how can you possibly bench Marvin Harrison after he gets 125 yards and two touchdowns, which is basically what he would have had? I just sent Mike a trade offer, a one-for-one trade offer for Marvin Harrison.

You did? And Mike can bring it up, and then you can discuss what side you'd rather have. Oh, my. Is it the, it's not the player, I think it is? No. it's marv for zay flowers oh okay i was like you wouldn't have done abuka for marv of course not okay no marv sucks i don't want to sucky play we wouldn't be talking about it we'd be talking about a trade that went through right oh yeah that one would be by the way if you send jonathan taylor and a j brown over i will reject that yeah you already sent that offer

to me oh did i declined it oh yeah but if you send it i'll decline it is what i'm saying that that that is an interesting conversation that i'll have to think about um you Yeah, but Marvin Harrison right now is sitting in the wide receiver two, three, fringe range. It's hard to go away from someone like Q's for Marv. Cuge has been... Oh, I would not. I would be playing Q.

I'd be playing Brian Thomas Jr. Because of the target volume. Would you? I think I think I would. Trevor Lawrence is really, really bad at football. Yeah, I would be playing... How about Kyler? Brian Thomas.

I think Kyler is better than Trevor Lawrence. That's the Arizona side. Trey McBride leading all tight ends in target. chair. You keep playing him. Oh, don't worry. The Seattle Seahawks are currently dead last and allowing fantasy points to the tight-hand position. So keep playing on, Tray McBride.

Yeah, I mean, the Cardinals' offense runs through like not wide receivers. That's been the depressing part of it. Sam Darnold's, your stream of the week, Mike. Kenneth Walker has been on fire. Charbonnet will play. He was a full practice on Monday and Tuesday. So you will figure out

what the balance is going to be. The Cardinals' defense has been pretty good so far this year. here, but I don't think it's going to stop you from playing Kenneth Walker, is it? No, no. Yeah, the Cardinals' defense, they did an admirable job against Christian McCaffrey. It's a very difficult, you know, a player to try to stop, and they looked pretty good doing that. They didn't give up a ton of points to the 49ers last week. However, obviously, they didn't have a starting quarterback in there, even though Mac Jones is so good, according to Mac Jones.

Yeah, I think you certainly keep starting Kenneth Walker because while you'll get dud games, you'll get those massive big blow-up games too. Jason's in your lineup. Where are you with Cooper Cup versus Torrey Horton? Cup had a huge week two and two duds. Tori Horton, not a big yardage guy yet, but he got into the end zone.

If you had to choose between one of those two for a spot start. For a spot start, I would currently be starting Cup, but I would much rather roster Horton and have either one on my bench. Yeah, I can agree with that. I don't really want to force either of them into the lineup. Okay. Cup blew up week two, but 15 yards, week one, and 31 in week three is not yet. Do you guys have any other thoughts on this matchup?

Do you have a prediction for Thursday night? I do think Seattle wins the game. They look like the truly better team. The Cardinals cannot score. Their offense right now looks broken. And while their defense has been playing admirable, they've had pretty easy go of it so far. I don't think they've been tested.

It's funny because all three of the team, San Francisco, Arizona, and now Seattle have all got to play the Saints. Right. And the Seahawks blew the tar out of them, and the Cardinals eked out a win. As did the 49ers. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. We will turn the page then and jump into some mailbag. Mailbag. Presented by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. All right, into the mailbag we go. If you have a question, go to the website, the fancy footballers.com. Click that, submit a question button,

or you can dial our voicemail hotline. 302-464-TFFB. We're going to kick it off in today's mailbag with a voicemail. Hey, ballers. This is Wayne from Kansas City. Love the show. This week, would you start Baker Mayfield or Daniel Jones in a one-quarterback lead.

Thank you. Baker-Mayfield against the Philadelphia Eagles or Daniel Jones on the road against the Los Angeles Rams. Also, I'm so thrilled that we this is a real question. And it might be a real answer of Daniel Jones. That's my real answer. He's ahead in my rankings.

And it makes more sense. So far, Daniel Jones. Yeah, exactly. Losing Mike Evans, playing against the Philadelphia Eagles. It's not going to be easy for Baker to do enough with Sterling Shepard. You know, I think they're going to have to really run the ball well if they want to compete against the Eagles this week. Whereas you look at Daniel Jones, he was the quarterback four, the quarterback six, and the quarterback 12 so far on the season. And, you know, one of those, the quarterback six was against a very good defense in Denver.

and so you know the Rams this game is a 49 and a half point over under it's currently the highest of the week yeah I would like to play daniel jones ad in new zealand start jameson williamson williams or bryan thomas junior this week underdog going into week four sitting at one and two don't want to keep getting hurt by btj but i feel like the floor is the same with both players love the show please help it's brian thomas junior you you can't go away from the amount of targets that Ryan Thomas Jr. has been getting. I mean, obviously his catching problem has become a mental yip. Like, it's in his head because it's happening too often right now. But, you know, this is a guy who's seven targets, 12 targets, six targets. He's on pace for 141 targets.

You know, what is the ceiling for either guy? The floor for either guy is really, really bad. Who has more catches on the season? Well, you're going to say Jameson Williams, of course, because because he has more catches. I believe Brian Thomas has catching 28% of his passes. I'm just saying that's shocking to me. I did not expect to see that. I knew the targets were out of control on the Thomas favor, but literally James and Williams,

who has eight catches on the year has more than Brian Thomas. If you zoom out, do you have any concern just overall for Detroit this week? They're playing the Cleveland Browns. I do not think they'll be able to throw the ball deep. So I would agree with Jason. I think Brian Thomas Jr. is the play. the biggest problem we saw this frequently last week

and every week, you don't have time. You ever seen Miles Garrett before? Tell me. You ever seen Mason Graham? Miles Garrett is a superhero. Mason Graham is making that Travis Hunter trade look like the worst trade in the history of sports. He has pressure on the

defensive front for Cleveland. You do not have time. I have wondered that kind of silently like they traded so much for Travis Hunter. He was a very good trade right now for Cleveland. And it's, of course, it's early, but it's like, you traded all that and then use the number two pick on.

You're like, that guy better be making an impact. And it feels like he's not right now. Yeah, yeah. So I think. And he's not a trade of that magnitude impact. Yeah, unfortunately, like, I would say so far through the season, despite the huge week, too. I mean, I'm definitely disappointed in Jameson Williams' play in production. I mean, it's been, he was, he hasn't really changed his utilization.

It's been big play dependent. I was hoping to see more like 6, 7, 8 target range. I mean, that's what we saw the whole second half of last year. If you want to have a little bit of encouragement there, now it's not going to come this week with Cleveland, but I mean, you've played at Green Bay and at Baltimore in two of those games. Those have been difficult matchups where the running game has had to dictate things. I think it will open up a little bit for them.

But, you know, I've been bummed. I've been disappointed. So somebody insult me because that's when he scored last time. So the last time you insulted me about him, he had a big touchdown. Yeah, halfway through the game, hop on Twitter. And victory lap me. Yeah, that worked really well. So, all right, we got another voicemail.

Yo, yo, yo, ballers, love the show. I just got Debo Samuel in a trade by giving away Chase Brown. I have another league mate, though, asking for Debo in exchange for Q's. Should I do it or should I keep Debo? Thanks. I think you're going to get different answers from this group on this one. I'm on the Debo side by far. I mean, right now you have a significant injury potential for Terry McLaurin. Debo's only bad game was the one game he had no Jaden Daniels,

and he actually didn't play poorly. He had like a monstrous near touchdown return on a kickoff. I would push back and say his week two was bad. He salvaged it. I mean, you had eight targets, though. Yeah, but that's great. Seven for 44 is not great. And it was the, it was, all of us admit, that was the garbagey, garbagey touchdown.

That's, that saved the day. So I'm not saying I'm completely out on Debo because week one was, week one was, was very nice. But between the two of those guys, I would go, I would buy into. what Quinn Johnston is doing. Yeah. And the charge of passing attack. I actually like both players. This is not an anti-either player take, but the yardage.

Forget the touchdowns, right? Touchdowns aren't very sticky in there pushing Q's up drastically. 79 yards in week one, 71 yards in week two, 89 yards in week three. And two-thirds of those were against really good defenses in the Broncos and the chiefs. What, what Quentin Johnston is doing? and more so what we're seeing the chargers do with how they're playing, I'm buying into QGE as being a legitimate, you know, top 20 wide receiver this year. So Quge is your answer?

Yeah, QG is my answer. All right. Well, then your answer here, prime time in Hawaii, A.J. Brown or Debo in a PPR? A.J. Brown. Okay. I think we'd all go, A.J. Brown there. Just for the ceiling. It looks really, really good. All right, that was today's mailbag. Watch every game. every Sunday with NFL Sunday ticket and YouTube TV, visit YouTube.com slash

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