Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Trade Targets + Value Debates, Hungry for More - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/27

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

What to do with Derrick Henry and Josh Jacobs? On today’s fantasy football podcast, Andy, Mike, and Jason each pick players to trade for and trade away! Plus, a new “Hungry For More” segment, NF...L News, and Lions vs Packers Thursday Night preview! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for September 27th, 2023. Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on Twitter Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Hungry for More presented by Uber Eats. Visit https://www.ubereats.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:56 Look at those cheeks. Welcome in, one and all. Excited to have you join us. Let's talk trades today. We're going to talk trade for trade away players always fun to discuss that and in the spirit of today's episode i made a trade of my own in our league of records just uh you know get in the get in the mood be able to talk trades more you know intimately and uh we've got nfl news we got hungry for more we've got the Thursday night preview
Starting point is 00:02:25 one of the most ironic things before you move on is that on today's episode we have some players to trade for and some players trade away and you traded away one of the players you are saying you should trade for that is true but you have to admit in my situation it makes perfect sense situations are different and obviously players that you think you should trade away is because they have value that is correct and so yeah i uh we'll leave it there and then we'll talk about it here soon uh you can check out the dynasty podcast jason was on the most recent episode with borgen betts they talked old bland and undervalued players yeah it was it was a really good episode where we talk about the the importance of aged veterans in dynasty leagues how to appropriately use them capitalize them on them uh you know it's a very valuable episode i thought absolutely we had uh
Starting point is 00:03:21 i just saw waivers go through in our Dynasty League, and Mr. Jameis Winston going for big Dynasty cash. Yeah, makes sense. Does it, though? Yeah, look, in Dynasty, at least we play with two budgets, your in-season and your off-season. So your in-season, it's going to reset, and it's very rare to have anyone of true value pop up on the dynasty waiver wire.
Starting point is 00:03:50 And if you need a quarterback, then you should go after it. If a team really needed a quarterback to play this week, that would make sense to kind of secure a start. But obviously we don't know how long Jameis Winston will last. We don't know how good he will be in most matchups. I mean, we do. It's bad. But this week, if you need a start, that makes sense. No other bids on Jameis Winston.
Starting point is 00:04:08 A dollar would have grabbed him. It happens. What if your dynasty quarterbacks were Russell Wilson and Matthew Stafford? Yeah, I still wouldn't do that. Your dynasty fab, really? No, I mean, look, everybody, you know, like you said, the dynasty fab, there's not a lot of guys to spend it on. It just feels like, are you going to play Winston over Russell Wilson this week
Starting point is 00:04:29 against Chicago? I would play Russ. Probably not this week, but what if that ain't? And Jameis might not be starting the next week. Maybe not. Okay. But what if that injury lingers? He's a defensive Jameis Winston manager right here.
Starting point is 00:04:40 I respect the move. Look, Derek Carr is going to be out multiple weeks, I think. And let's be honest. Yesterday, we talked about what a delight Jameis Winston was, and I think this is just a situation where it's like, yeah, I want that in my locker room. I want him on my team. Well, see, that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:04:54 But you know who I got for three fab that might be the start of the rest of the year? Trevor Simeon. Sure. I'm not starting this week. No, no. So it's just a long view, short view. I get it. I'm not mad at you, Brooks.
Starting point is 00:05:10 Oh, no. I just had to explain why I would spend up that much on those guys. Yeah. I feel like if Winston, I feel like Winston was worth rostering probably in a dynasty as a depth play anyways. What else is going on? Do we have, we got our drop it like it's hot reminder,
Starting point is 00:05:29 which is, I just said, waivers went through in every league. Players hitting the waiver wire after it runs is very important. You want to browse that. Guys are going to hit, in fact, Dak Prescott just hit the waiver wire. Sean Tucker just hit the waiver wire. Sean Tucker just hit the waiver wire. Mike Williams. Mike Williams. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:05:51 So sad. I like Dean Harditz's tweet. He said, keep Mike Williams on the roster, put them on your IR so he can get a ring with the rest of the players. If you happen to win the championship. Nice. Oh boy. Yeah. So, uh, lots, so a lot's going on.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Let's go ahead and jump in. Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eats. It's quite the tail on that drop, Mike. It's very nice. He's hungry for more. Yeah. Well, we all chose wide receivers this week. Some players we've seen flashes of through the first three weeks of the season
Starting point is 00:06:36 that we're hungry for more. We want to see more production. We're expecting more production, and they may be worthy stashes for your bench. For me, this is really PPR leagues only, but I would put this player on your bench, and that is Josh Downs, rookie wide receiver for the Indianapolis Colts. 12 targets this past week with Gardner Minshew, 8 for 57. And to me, Josh Down downs is a talented player that will demand targets the rest of the season it won't be to the tune of 12 because gardner is going to pass more than anthony richardson who is back at practice but i like to see i think the trajectory for josh downs is very positive you had involvement from the beginning of the season they had spent offseason capital on
Starting point is 00:07:24 isaiah mckenzie who has not earned a role josh downs is establishing it you had involvement from the beginning of the season. They had spent offseason capital on Isaiah McKenzie, who has not earned a role. Josh Downs is establishing it. And it's a nice compliment to what you have in Michael Pittman. So Alex Pierce, not been very involved. He's a downfield guy. He's going to have limited total volume. And Josh Downs, through three weeks, has passed the eye test for me.
Starting point is 00:07:40 I think he's a player that he's spot startable on any given week and may have more value as time goes on. So I completely agree with most everything you're saying. You can't ask Josh Downs to do much more than he's already done. Winning the job pretty much from week one in his rookie season, looking good, passing the eyeball test, it's pretty much completely a green light situation. And you're right that it's primarily a PPR play.
Starting point is 00:08:09 He's not going to be a giant play downfield stretcher. So the only place I disagree on, and I don't think it's a disagreement at all, is just I do think the ceiling is limited. You know, you're hoping that he has a Cole Beasley-type career in just the role, and Cole Beasley was very relevant for several years in fantasy. So that's kind of – Yeah, I see it, and I think it's a little bit like, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:35 last year there was excitement before the injury for Wanda Robinson in New York. Like Josh Downs has got the same type of – I think the same type of player as Wanda is. The jitterbug. Yeah, undersized. He's going to catch the football. And his yards per catch this past week with Gardner was seven. That's just the name of the game.
Starting point is 00:08:55 But is he going to produce similar to maybe like a Michael Thomas does over the course of the year? It's possible. Yeah, I'm looking at the target shares. It's for a rookie, 18. you know week one with anthony richardson then 16 then 29 meanwhile alec pierce which it's different types of targets but eight percent six percent in the two games with well mostly with anthony richardson he got richardson of course got knocked out in week two but richardson goes to michael pitman and he goes to Josh Downs right now.
Starting point is 00:09:28 And the wide receiver target share was 39% for Josh Downs in week number three. 32% of the yards. Just a guy to keep your eye on. Absolutely. Hungry for a little more. Oh, if we're talking about hungry for more, I'm sorry, guys. I've got the dude. I've got the dude. He is also hungry for more i'm sorry guys i've got the dude yeah i've got the dude he is also hungry for more
Starting point is 00:09:47 everyone is hungry for more marvin mems uh sean payton's full well he's apparently he's seen enough get on the freaking field man he is first of all he's really really good this is a wide receiver we we talked about him in the off season, obviously in the draft season. He's talented. His production profile is great. He checks virtually every box of the things you look for in production, in age, in athleticism,
Starting point is 00:10:16 in film, draft capital. He's the wide receiver 13 and 18 on 24% of snaps the last two weeks. You know who he reminds me of is the white. He's now the wide receiver version of rookie year, David Johnson, because David Johnson never got on the field.
Starting point is 00:10:33 And yet he found a way to have fantasy relevant weeks with limited touches, kick return, stuff like that. Totally. And what's funny is you say he was the wider receiver. 13 was wider. She were 18. The wide receiver 18 finishes last week is only if you do not include his touchdown on his awesome punt return. If you have special team scoring as well, then he's even better than that.
Starting point is 00:10:58 He ran 11 routes last week. And I don't know if you know this, but so this is, by the way, Marvin Mims is a rookie wide receiver for the Denver Broncos. Most people are completely unaware at this point. The Denver Broncos were down in that game. Wait, this past week? Yeah, against the Dolphins this last week. They tuned out. Yeah, everyone did.
Starting point is 00:11:21 So did the Broncos. But this was an opportunity to get this rookie on the field who is an explosive athlete. Even after the game, Sean Payton said the only good play of the game was Marvin Mims' touchdown return on special teams. Brandon Johnson's getting 60% of the snaps. What are you doing? Brandon Johnson, get out of Marvin Mims' way.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Get Marvin Mims on the field. He is breaking every yards per route run metric that exists. And here's the thing. It almost feels like yards per route, single route run. How good was your route today? It was great. Marvin Mims is talented. Johnson being on the field that much shows that there is an opportunity to get Marvin Mims more snaps. Additionally, the Broncos are running 11 personnel on just 47% of their snaps. That is 23rd in the league. I'm sure Dulcich going down changed that a lot.
Starting point is 00:12:18 League average of three-plus wide receivers is more like 65%. So there are multiple ways because because Andy, you brought up, he's not overtaking Cortland Sutton, he's not overtaking Jerry Judy. Now an injury to either of those players should catapult Marvin Mims' opportunity easier. He will be the wide receiver three, but if you could have him be a 60% snap player like Johnson is, I think Marvin Mims will be someone that you could throw in your lineup every week and hope for a great play because he is I think a special talented uh rookie wide receiver negative game scripts you just talked about it that could be the recipe for Denver the whole year yeah I really really really want to see more Mims and now the problem
Starting point is 00:13:00 is is do you roster him because I don't think I don't think right now I think you probably I have and fab yeah I mean I have you probably wait and fab, don't you? I have him on a couple of different teams in redraft where he's just waiting on my bench. If you need a start immediately, then sure, you probably want to look elsewhere, but I do think
Starting point is 00:13:17 after this last week, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver goes, let's make some changes. At some point, Marvin Mims will work his way onto the field. Mike, give us the third wide receiver you are hungry for more. I am hungry for more because I want to know what is the truth for this player, and I don't think that we can accurately say what it is. The truth of the first three weeks is Romeo Dobbs of the Green Bay Packers has been fantastic
Starting point is 00:13:47 for fantasy football. Week number one, wide receiver 10, wide week number two is terrible. Jaden Reed gets all the love. Week three, his hamstring looks like it is finally back to healthy. His snaps... Maximum
Starting point is 00:14:02 hamstring. His snaps have jumped from... You! It's me, my hamstring. Is that Adam? Adam Thielen's hamstring? Yeah, because he's such a young man. 48% of the snaps in week one. He's now back up to 86% and 12
Starting point is 00:14:19 targets. Now I know the Packers were mounting themselves. They come back against against New Orleans Saints but 12 targets only five receptions but 73 yards and a touchdown Jordan Love I mean has been really overproducing when it comes to touchdowns Romeo Dobbs has been part of that and the accuracy hasn't totally been there for Jordan Love now what I mean by we don't know the truth is Christian Watson should be back Thursday. Aaron Jones should be back on Thursday. But Romeo Dobbs was the one who got the bulk of the offseason hype
Starting point is 00:14:54 yet again for the Green Bay Packers. The beat reporters were saying Romeo Dobbs, he looks like he is Jordan Love's guy. He's 6'2", he's 204 pounds. He is built like a wide receiver one or the the ex-player who can absolutely get it done what does what does Christian Watson do to the target share when Romeo Dobbs is on the field he maybe he comes in and Watson's the superstar but that's why I'm hungry here I want to see can Dobbs become that player that had hope two years ago, had even more hope this year, and so far, so good?
Starting point is 00:15:28 I think it's very possible. If you look at the targets being distributed to, you know, I think he's a good young player, Jaden Reed, seven, eight targets the past two weeks. You look at the targets distributed to Dontavian Wicks, six targets, four targets, Luke Musgrave getting targets. This offense, you know, they're throwing the football. And so there should be enough to go around.
Starting point is 00:15:50 I do think Christian Watson, and he's not in the segment later. To me, he is a trade for target. Sure. I think Christian Watson potentially, and I hate saying it out loud right now because I had some offers in the works for Al Borland, who's got Christian Watson on his bench. You aren't getting him for an hour. And I gave up because, exactly, I said, he's not doing this.
Starting point is 00:16:12 He's a Packers fan. He's a Packers fan. I think Christian Watson's going to be very good. And I think Romeo Dobbs can be very good as well. Yeah. There is a world where Watson is getting the six targets a week and just hitting on two to three huge plays, but Romeo Dobbs is
Starting point is 00:16:27 more like a Des Bryant type of player where you get higher target volume and you get a lot of touchdown upside because he's so big. And the nice thing is when Watson's out there, you know what won't happen? Right. Double coverage. Double coverage. Oh man, I'm hungry for
Starting point is 00:16:44 more of that. No one's even hitting the button. I don't know if I have a button for that. No, that works. Double coverage. Oh, man, I'm hungry for more of that. No one's even hitting the button. I don't know if I have a button for that. No, that works. Okay. You approved. Okay. Yep. I got a button.
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Starting point is 00:17:04 Mike could use one. Yeah. Can we get that one yeah can we get that i can't get that delivered i've got you know make me a trade over uh flap jacks and baby backs yes you can get those order now on the app product availability may vary by region see the app for details news and notes from around the league presented by usaa insurance yeah i was i was gonna come at you with like a uh like a laporta based offer for christian watson but then i realized you did oh i did yeah but then i realized i did did i really you did i realized you said no i think my uh andyoff for AI bot might have sent that through and not me. But I saw you got Darren Waller and you're kind of stuck. Right?
Starting point is 00:17:52 Yeah. I mean, I'm not happy with the output I've gotten from him. Were you actually interested in Laporta despite being a Waller manager? Sure. Okay. Look, you learn something new every day. All right. Into the news.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Saquon Barkley, day-to-day category, according to Brian Dable. He's been day-to-day since the injury. Two things cannot be true here. Right. He can either be day-to-day, and it's not a high ankle sprain, in my opinion, or he can have a high ankle sprain, and Brian Dable is what we call a liar. Well, considering Saquon came out and said it is a high ankle sprain, and considering that almost every head coach in the league is a liar,
Starting point is 00:18:30 I'm going to 100% assume that this is a high ankle sprain. I saw a really neat tweet from Edwin Porras who talked about how high ankle sprains, the average time to come back on the field is almost always either zero missed games or three missed games. Like that's when you have a high ankle sprain. You're either back the next week and you just – This is why you were in on Burrito. Yeah, or you're going to miss three games.
Starting point is 00:19:00 So I don't expect this day-to-day – I mean, the day-to-day nonsense is probably something where you it just means bad news for waivers and you got to wait till sunday before he's ruled out yeah nope even worse jason giants are monday night oh are you brian it is an absolute disaster and i'm cackling over to myself imagining because coaches do this you know just like the the the the gannon move of who's our quarterback, Brian D'Abel's trying to gather some sort of competitive advantage. And imagine being the defense. All week, you're getting ready for Saquon Barkley.
Starting point is 00:19:33 And then he's ruled out. And you're like, oh, crap. Our plan was for Saquon. How are we possibly going to stop Matt Burrita and company? Just tear up the defensive play calling. It's ruined. Someone, someone quickly get on this Gary Brightwell stoppage plan. What do we do?
Starting point is 00:19:50 Yeah, the opposite would be the only competitive advantage where there's no chance. That's the better one to go in. Dayball should be saying, oh, it's probably going to be several weeks, and then boom, Saquon's on the feet. He might be month to month at this point. I don't know. You're right. He should completely flip
Starting point is 00:20:06 it. That being said, Monday night game gives him an extra day to recover. I don't know if I want to throw the committee out there. Matt Breida had four carries last game. Now one of them ended up as a touchdown to salvage your night.
Starting point is 00:20:22 But it would have been an unmitigated almost goose, from your running back position. And Gary Brightwell got a lot of work, and we didn't even see Gray. Yeah, they did basically split the work. We've talked a lot about Brightwell as – or I'm sorry, we've talked a lot about Breida and not a lot about Brightwell as the replacement.
Starting point is 00:20:39 So, you know, I would still definitely go Breida first, but it's not like he just inherits Saquon Barkley's volume. You knew it was going to be a disaster against the San Francisco 49ers and that picking up Burrito was more of a, well, if Barkley misses time, then they get the Seattle Seahawks the next week. That's not that you're loving playing Matt Burrito, but look at the landscape of the running backs.
Starting point is 00:21:04 We're not loving very many of them at all right now. Anthony Richardson progressing through the concussion protocol. We'll take normal reps today. We expect him back on the field. Doug Peterson said Zay Jones is a long shot to play in week four. See, now that's how you do it, Doug. That's how you do it. Oh, he's definitely not going to be there long shot cardinal's not in a hurry to immediately activate kyler murray when the pup window opens according to jonathan gannon i know jason you have some stuff to say yeah this was a really important quote from jonathan gannon not only did he say that just because the window of his availability to to activate him from the
Starting point is 00:21:41 pup he he said you know yeah yeah, we realize we can. You know, it's probably not going to happen right now. So that's important. But then he talked about he wants him to be ready physically and mentally, have a couple of weeks of practice. So what this means is that so the way that the pup works is once you activate someone off the pup, they can practice. But you still have, I think it's 21 days before you basically have to
Starting point is 00:22:06 have them active in a game or else they basically go back to pup for the rest of the season which means based on his own words and I and I believe this uh because of how and when it was shared basically they're not going to activate them yet and And then when they do, it's probably another three weeks until you see him. So I think you're talking about a month and a half, two months before you see Kyler. And this is really important for fantasy because I was starting to toy around with, okay, the Cardinals play San Francisco this week. Probably not going to go well. Obviously, they had a good game against Dallas, but this one's in San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:22:49 And Hollywood looks like a great trade for Target if Kyler's going to be back soon. This quote means Kyler is not back for another month or two. Okay. Yeah, you're right. And I think, did you see this thing? Arizona didn't have a jersey available for Joshua Dawes. Yes. They weren't selling them.
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Starting point is 00:24:01 Let's Talk Trades. Shall we? Shall we? Yes, let's do it. Shall we trade? I jumped in this morning. I made a big trade in our league of record. You did.
Starting point is 00:24:19 You fired the silver bullet. Which was? Your number two overall pick. I did. In our league, we can trade draft picks. You cannot trade your first, so the second is the strongest draft capital pick you can move. And it's always, in our league, a game of chicken to see who's going to start just blasting that draft capital away. And the winner this year is Andy. Well, I try to be the winner most years.
Starting point is 00:24:45 I get impatient. I'm going to double down on my trade for players. I'm going to throw two names. Okay. The original name is Sam Laporta, tied in for the Detroit Lions, currently the tied in two on the season. You still have an opportunity to go and trade for Sam Laporta. You can play up the rookie narrative.
Starting point is 00:25:07 This is a player that is on pace to break the rookie record in terms of total targets. He's not going anywhere. That is my message to you. So I think Sam Laporta is, in the landscape of tight end frustration, is a very worthy player to go and pursue. And very likely, he may be rostered by somebody that has a couple of tight ends on the team because he was picked up as a free agent option.
Starting point is 00:25:33 It's possible he was picked up by the Andrews, Waller, Kittle, Goddard, Kelsey managers in your league. And if any of those are the case, there's going to be an opportunity to pick him up. And this message is, he's worth picking up. He's worth putting on your roster. I think he's an every week start. Now, Jason mentioned it. I did trade Sam Laporta this morning.
Starting point is 00:25:54 I have Travis Kelsey. So that was something that, look, other than the bye week for Kelsey, he's never touching the field for me. So you're saying Kelsey's going to be better than Laporta this year? Yes. Sorry. What was that voice? Are you from Clueless? Yeah, that was a very California girl. So I think Laporta is the pickup. And the other name I want to throw out there, and I know I mentioned Christian Watson earlier, I actively went and traded for Garrett Wilson this morning. I made the determination. This is a generally untouchable
Starting point is 00:26:26 player that the situation in New York is so cataclysmic that people are down. I mean, he hit our waiver wire. He hit the waiver block in our league. Sorry, let me rephrase that. He hit the trade block. He was not released. I don't see a way that it doesn't get better for Garrett Wilson now in three weeks he's got the least accurate quarterback in football in Zach Wilson he's put up in our league format 11 which is half point 11 17 and like 8 Zach Wilson is not going to be the permanent starter for this team there's already talk of friction in the locker room. Players very upset about the fact that Robert Sala is a
Starting point is 00:27:08 is the Zach Wilson apologist in the room. Players do not want to go out and put max effort on the field if they're not getting the best on the offensive side of the football. We've been here before and Garrett Wilson's a top five talent
Starting point is 00:27:24 at the wide receiver position. So for me if you can go bargain shop for Garrett Wilson's a top-five talent at the wide receiver position. So for me, if you can go bargain shop for Garrett Wilson. Which I think you can. Which I think you can do. I think you can go trade somebody that's had a really juicy or pretty good three weeks and then go make the trade offer for Garrett Wilson. I think it gets better. I really do.
Starting point is 00:27:42 I think New York, it's Trevor Simeon or somebody else. Yeah, I mean, I will agree with you that when Zach Wilson is replaced, it will get better, literally no matter who it is. Trevor Simeon is not good, and it will 100% be better if it is Trevor Simeon. I would just say that the reason I think it works especially well in your context where you traded for him is we're a keeper league. So if it doesn't work out this year, which I could see, you know, in the Megalobowl, I benched Garrett Wilson for four different wide receivers this last week, and it was a good move because he scored fewer than them.
Starting point is 00:28:17 And if it doesn't work out, you have the option of a great keeper value in giving up your second so if i think if you're out there playing in keeper leagues it makes a lot more sense to say hey this is a player i can't usually get a hold of or a dynasty league um well and i don't have to start him i mean that's the other situation if you have a couple of good starters you're looking for a flex you're looking for a wide receiver three or four and you can get get them on the cheap. I believe that the talent of Garrett Wilson, we saw it last year. Did they have quarterback play in New York last year? Nope. When Zach Wilson was off the field, they had better.
Starting point is 00:28:54 A little bit. But, I mean, it was a challenge on offense, and Garrett Wilson still had a big year. So, look, that's a couple of trade for ideas. I will hand off the baton. Well, since you're bringing up last year, I'm going to trade for a player who was great last year who was bad the first three weeks of last year who's been bad the first three weeks yeah yeah he has yeah talking about Josh Jacobs currently the running back 25 and half PPR scoring he has not eclipsed 10 fantasy points, 8.1, 7.4, 9.5 fantasy points per game.
Starting point is 00:29:28 You look back at last year, the first three weeks, he averaged 9.5 fantasy points per game, 16.7 opportunities. So he was getting the ball, just wasn't getting it done last year. Don't know why those things happen sometimes, but they're happening again because this year he is getting 19.7 opportunities per game. The running back landscape is putrid right now. Everyone is in need of running backs. The only teams that seem like they're okay at running back are the ones that just happen to get, you know, a Kyron Williams or Zach Moss and pick someone up that was unexpected to add to their roster because a lot of these guys that we drafted to be relied upon have not worked out. And I think Josh Jacobs' managers are freaked out. They're like, this guy just isn't getting it done. He's not that good. This is an elite running back who is getting almost 20 opportunities
Starting point is 00:30:24 per game with no one on the depth chart that's going to change that going forward. Josh Jacobs, this is the worst stretch of his season. So for me, I will 100%. I've gone and made a couple offers for him in a couple different leagues. I'm not paying a premium. I'm not trying to say, like, I think he's going to be the running back three like he was last year after, you know, the bad start to the season. But he's a quality volume play that is not going anywhere, and managers who have him, I think, are willing to sell him cheap right now. After three weeks, the smell is starting to accumulate on the nostrils of Jacobs' managers
Starting point is 00:31:07 because I even found myself in my dynasty league going, is he the guy I try to move? Do I try to move him to try to get younger someplace? Because it's not been a fun ride. But I like that you brought him up here. It encourages me Jason the I generally speaking you have to buy into to running backs we're getting that opportunity we do have now we're only three weeks in but you got to make some decisions week one is what freaks me out they
Starting point is 00:31:42 played the Denver Broncos and in that matchup that we have seen now two other games, the Washington Manders destroy them on the ground in Bryan Robinson. The fiasco against the Miami Dolphins running backs. And in week one, Josh Jacobs and crew was only able to manage 2.5 yards per carry against that Denver Broncos team. Now maybe they were more fired up because it was week one, and they're now getting demoralized and losing faith in their defense, but that's the one note where I'm like,
Starting point is 00:32:14 I don't know that Jacobs is going to turn it around. But the argument for pure volume, and if you can get pure volume cheaper than you would have paid for the draft, I would do it. Okay. Mike, your trade for candidate is? It is Zach Charbonnet of the Seattle Seahawks, rookie running back, and this is a play for the future.
Starting point is 00:32:39 The snaps of Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet are cross-fading. Like, Walker has been great for fantasy football. I think that's what makes trading for Zach Charbonnet an even easier proposition right now. When you go to whoever is holding on to Charbonnet, you go, look at what Walker's doing. You think Charbonnet is not the guy right now. Meanwhile, the snaps for Kenneth Walker, 63, 61, 51. The snaps for Charbonnet, 24, 26, 43. He was brought down on the two-yard line on an absolute beast of a run.
Starting point is 00:33:17 He was drafted in round two for a reason. I don't think he's overtaken Kenneth Walker to be the number one, but I think that this is going to morph into a timeshare sooner rather than later. Right now you don't have production that is matching the outside peripherals, looking at the opportunities that Charbonnet is getting each week. Three opportunities week one, six the next, 11 the next one, and Charbonnet is going to be the guy they turn to when they need to pass the ball. Three opportunities week one, six the next, 11 the next one. Charbonnet is going to be the guy they turn to when they need to pass the ball.
Starting point is 00:33:51 They're scoring 37 points each of the past two weeks. This is an offense that's starting to get it going. Both Walker and Charbonnet can have fantasy relevance. Andy, you're going to talk about Kenneth Walker. If a manager is in love with Walker right now, it's going to be pretty hard to go get him. Meanwhile, Charbonnet is not doing a ton, and I think that the arrow is going to be pointing up. Yeah, let's transition into tradeaway because I intentionally put Kenneth Walker into that category. And you guys might both disagree with this assertion he's the running back three so it's
Starting point is 00:34:26 rare to say hey a guy that's dominating for fantasy you should move him but it's very difficult Charbonnet snap counts are going up he seems to be the two minute drill back Kenneth Walker has scored four touchdowns in two weeks okay Josh three games, all those opportunities, no touchdowns. You're not getting 38 touchdowns a year from Kenneth Walker. He has benefited from two weeks, Detroit, Carolina, 37 points in each week. I think he's a top 12 running back, but if you can cash in on the ceiling level, like you could go get a different running back right now like could you could you go and acquire you know make an offer for the tippy tippy top of the running back position if you attach kenneth walker with somebody else would you be tempted you're saying
Starting point is 00:35:17 to try to go get christian mccaffrey using kenneth walker plus something else that's what i'm saying yeah i would do that i would do that if i can can trade up from Kenneth Walker, I would do that. Now, let me offer one more, two guys we talked about. Would you trade Kenneth Walker for Josh Jacobs and Garrett Wilson if the manager had that? Yes. Okay. I would.
Starting point is 00:35:40 I would as well. You would? I would. I would rather have the Jacobs and Wilson, Garrett Wilson side. Yeah, I mean, those are two players that have been frustrating through three games. That opportunity and talent is something you believe in for both, and that would take a lot.
Starting point is 00:35:57 I mean, Kenneth Walker played 51% of snaps this past week, and he was great. He was dominant. He is a super super talented player but uh he has dealt with injuries historically and mike you know you just talked about zach charbonnet there are going to be some games where i think charbonnet is going to be more involved and kenneth walker is not going to fall into the end zone and um you know week one for kenneth walker is going to be part of his story. You know, 12 attempts, 64 yards, didn't score.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Well, that's good enough for running back 28 that week. Well, and if you look at the following week, I mean, he scored 17 fantasy points, but he scored two touchdowns. Yeah, 17 for 43 on the ground. Yeah, two and a half yards a carry. He didn't have a great game. He had a very, very good fantasy game because he got a couple touchdowns. So it's just a matter of do you think the touchdowns are going to keep coming on the regular?
Starting point is 00:36:52 I'm sure he gets plenty of them this year, but it's not going to be to a game. And as of right now. Would you trade him for Bijan? Yes. I would much rather have Bijan. I mean, that trade offer will go through in leagues for sure. I think I would do that. I would try to extract a little bit more because Bijon had the down game.
Starting point is 00:37:09 But looking at five zone carries, no, that's the money. That's where we want our running backs getting attempts. Kenneth Walker has six total, three in week two, three in week three. Charves already has two. Look, I'd rather have six, but the point is, Kenneth Walker is not the exclusive goal line running back. They're already factoring in Charbonnet into those planes. And last year, I believe, if my memory is correct,
Starting point is 00:37:34 he was the only player in the NFL who had 100% of his teams inside the five already three weeks in. He does not. And he was very inefficient. He's been far more efficient on converting him this year yeah he's a good player this is not a yes this is not and it's really important that everyone listening understands this this is not a saying Kenneth Walker's gonna stink you should trade him away this is saying he he's at probably a peak value that you can capitalize on if you squeeze everything out of that.
Starting point is 00:38:12 That's the point is capitalize on peaks as opposed to just saying, oh, he's not going to be as good, so let me get rid of him. That's not what we're saying. Yeah, and he had nine touchdowns last year, but six of the nine came in three weeks where he scored two a week. So it is exactly about capitalizing on the high performance of the most recent week, trying to remove some of the emotion from the
Starting point is 00:38:32 equation and looking at higher value options. So, Jason, you have a provocative I feel like you have made a decision here. I have made a decision and my decision is if I have King Henry, Derrick Henry, the Yeti, the unstoppable, immovable force, the monstrous mountain of a man,
Starting point is 00:38:54 I am going to try to trade him away for something that I think is more safe. I think there is a lot of risk in Derrick Henry right now, and he has not been terrible. His first two weeks was pretty good. This last week was a down week. But with his name recognition, his volume, the fact that he's still been okay this season so far, you're going to be able to have teams that are willing to pay a premium for a premium player, for a player who was in the running for
Starting point is 00:39:26 MVP over the last couple of years at the running back position. He's awesome. He's great. However, for the first time in his career post taking over, he has competition for touches. He has another competent running back on the team he has someone stealing both carries and snaps away from him he's obviously the oldest he's ever been and will continue to be so um it's very astute thank you this is a team that looks like they could be on the cusp of collapse and i think that they will recover quickly as a franchise I think they'll make a couple good transactions and and uh pack it in if that happens they're right now they're going to be fighting for wins variable's a good coach uh it's a it's a well-run franchise but you look at the upcoming schedule you say okay well this week Cincinnati who do you expect to win that game
Starting point is 00:40:20 right now the Tennessee Titans or the Cincinnati Bengals even with a hobble Joe Burrow, I'm sure that the Cincinnati Bengals are the favored team. Derrick Henry is going to do much better in wins than he does in losses. He also does better on the road than he does at home. And so this is a, this is a home loss. So it might not be a good week for Derrick Henry. You got Baltimore two weeks later, you got a bye week after that. And if at this point in the season coming out of the bye this is a team that has not won a lot of games I just worry that the future will be focused on the risk is calamity it's not just mediocrity the risk to me in holding on to Derrick Henry is that and I don't think it's a guarantee I don't't think, oh, Derrick Henry's done. But I see the path where Derrick Henry could be done soon,
Starting point is 00:41:09 and you don't want to be holding that bag, especially when it's a valuable bag you can get something for right now. So, to me, that's the player I'm most scared of the future, the rest of the season. I think you could definitely find people that are willing to make the bet and the gamble and say, hey, he's going to be be back to form and there's going to be some people out there if you put him on the block that's probably interested in that so if you believe yeah I mean that the odds are low he comes back to form this team competes then I would rather have so to talk
Starting point is 00:41:40 about my trade away and trade for Canada I would rather have Josh Jacobs than Derrick Henry rest of season I think most players out there if that trade was offered they would they would take Derek Henry sure over Josh Jacobs who hasn't been good so far this year so I think that would be easy but you might be able to do even better if you've got a good team you've got some wins and you want to take a shot at Saquon because maybe he misses this week and a manager is desperate or or package him and trade up there's a lot of you know Derrick Henry right now and the reason why I'm saying trade him now is because he's got value like if he ends up having a bad couple of weeks goes on by week middle of the season you're not going to be able to get anything for him Mike yours is depressing. Yeah, look, any tradeaway candidate, it's depressing
Starting point is 00:42:26 because you're scared of King Henry, that he's circling the whirlpool and he's about to head down. Swim strong, Derek. I want you to succeed. Yes, we do. My tradeaway candidate is Damian Pierce of the Houston Texans. He's currently the running back 29, and I still believe in the player of Damian Pierce of the Houston Texans. He's currently the running back 29. And I still believe in the player of Damian Pierce, but I believe that he is in close to
Starting point is 00:42:52 an impossible situation for his skillset. He has been like, he had a good week this week. That's why I'm saying maybe you can find someone who's desperate for a running back and looks just at the total fantasy points and says, okay, I'll take on the risk of Damian Pierce that he's going to get better. But he's averaging only 2.38 yards after contact, which that is the same as A.J. Dillon, who has been ferociously dunked upon throughout this season by you guys. He's averaging 2.5 yards. What. He's averaging two and a half yards. He's averaging two and a half yards per carry on the season.
Starting point is 00:43:30 And it's, again, I think it's the offensive line. Now, the story that you can weave is the offensive line is going to get healthier. And maybe that's something that you believe because they should. They got some guys on IR that are going to return. Maybe things do actually improve for Damian Pierce. But I think we're a long ways away from that happening, and it is not the carrot that was dangled out for all of us for preseason was, holy crap, Damian Pierce might be truly a three
Starting point is 00:44:06 down workhorse in this in this offense he is not saying he's no Zach Moss yeah I'm saying he's not getting 98% of the snaps Zach Moss style they are going to Devin Singletary is the two-minute drill guy they're going to use Devin Singletary's skill set when they're trying to catch up, which they will be trying to catch up in a lot of games. The upcoming schedule, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, the Saints, and then a bye week. Pittsburgh's actually 29th against running backs. So if he fails again this week, I'm going to be real depressed, which he probably will. That's the way I'm projecting it as well.
Starting point is 00:44:43 So even if you're holding out hope for the offensive line to return it might be five weeks from now before you're actually recouping some of the dividends from that that gamble and by then you're like then damian pierce's trade value could be absolutely cratered and you're just you are you're all in your chips are all in on damian pierce and if you're tempted to buy low on Damian Pierce on the other side of the logic train and you're saying, hey, I'm going to let him hit the ground, wait for that.
Starting point is 00:45:12 He's got the single most depressing end of season playoff schedule I've ever seen in my life. He faces the week before going into the playoffs, he faces the Jets in New York. Perfect. Then he faces Tennessee. Great run defense.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Cleveland. Great run defense. Tennessee. Same as the one before. Yeah, they have to play. Wait, wait, wait. I hear what you're saying, though. Let's invert that.
Starting point is 00:45:40 So you're telling me. Derek Henry. You're telling me the Yeti. Houston, blank Houston. What am I doing? Trace for Derek. You have made a terrible mistake. Retract.
Starting point is 00:45:53 The Yeti is Yeti places. Yeti is winning championships this week or this year. Houston blank Houston in the playoffs. Oh, that's rough stuff. Well, you make your own decision out there. No, no. But between the Houston and Houston game, he does play Seattle at home. That's pretty nice.
Starting point is 00:46:15 Going back to Damian Pierce. I think this is great to bring up, Mike, because especially bringing up what happened in preseason. This was a player. I was OUT the whole offseason, completely did not want Damian Pierce, didn't have any shares of him in best ball, saw the way that this could happen. And then preseason happened and it was like, oh my gosh, they're actually going to use him as the two minute drill back as the passing as everything. They're going to use him as like a full-time workhorse back,
Starting point is 00:46:45 and there's just not many of them. Well, they've already shown that's not what they're doing. That isn't what they're going to do. And if he's not a workhorse back, you're going to be disappointed a lot more than you're going to have great games. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think you can get anything for him after that three weeks. Well, not after this show.
Starting point is 00:47:04 And I think you're at least going to have some volume from him i mean when you talk about talented player that's going to have volume i don't think it's going to be a fun ride i think you have to look at it like he's not going to win you weeks i mean he he got into the end zone because someone got dragged down on the one he's going to score every time that happens yeah so that'll be nice but i mean the the yards per carry is terrible i'm somewhat happy with three targets a week every week. I mean, that's going to help you a little bit. So much better than zero.
Starting point is 00:47:31 But, I mean, his fantasy production in the first two weeks was five points and four points. Yikes. I mean, and that was against, you know, Indianapolis in week two, Baltimore week one. His snap count did go up last week, and they put up 37 points. And I'm encouraged that the offense could be better, but I'm with you, Mike.
Starting point is 00:47:49 I've tried very hard in my brain to create the pathway for Damian Pierce, for it to get a lot better, but it's not easy to find. Yeah, and I'm not disagreeing that it could be difficult to find the trade partner to move on from Damian Pierce. But because you had the one spike week and looking at what's about to happen with the Houston Texans, this is kind of you're either bailing out right now and maybe you're not getting a full return on the trade,
Starting point is 00:48:26 or you're fully committed to Damian Pierce because it's probably going to be a rough three weeks. I want to put it to the test with names. Okay. Because you say you might not get the full return. Are you trading Damian Pierce for Isaiah Pacheco? I would rather have Pacheco, yes. Are you trading Damian Pierce for Najee Harris?
Starting point is 00:48:48 Ooh. That is super tough. I think I'm going to go Najee. But, I mean, they're both in a very similar situation. These are talented players. Brees Hall. Oh, I'd go Brees Hall. I'd shoot for second half upside.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Devon Achan. Man, that sounds wrong. I'm still not over it. But yes, Achan. That is – that is a volatile move. The first name that came up when you brought this up in my mind was, okay, so if you had A-Chan, would you trade for Pierce? Or if you had Pierce, would you trade for A-Chan?
Starting point is 00:49:33 I know my answer. I don't think things are going to be great over the next three weeks for Pierce, and they could be for A-Chan, so I think I'd make that move. I would as well. Talk about a completely different type of player in a different level of
Starting point is 00:49:51 utilization Pierce will have lots of opportunities to run for two yards HN may have minimal opportunities to run for 70 right and that is a tough thing because your lows may I mean it's hard to get lower than what Pierce gave you in week one and two. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:06 I've got one last question for us that, you know, we might have more questions from the listeners. But for me, I really want to know where you guys stand on this because I think it is a question that the answer will be so right or so wrong by the end of the season. When you're trading running back for running back, someone wins and someone loses. Who would you rather have at this point going forward,
Starting point is 00:50:35 Devon Achan or Zach Moss? Oh. Oh, man. The 100% of snap type of player who's dominating, but has a JT problem possibly, or A.J. So I want you guys to have to answer this on record. I think it's a very fair thing to bring up, because if Jonathan Taylor comes back week five,
Starting point is 00:51:04 I think he goes right into what Zach Moss is doing right now. Only it's Jonathan Taylor who, Zach Moss has been great, but Jonathan Taylor is a better player. There's a chance that maybe it's, you know, like only 70% of the snaps or something for Taylor. But the point is that Zach Moss' value will crater if Taylor actually plays for the Colts. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:51:30 It's such a mess because it's not football stuff. Right. I'm not in the locker room for the Colts. I'm not in the management. You don't know how real dug-in Jonathan Taylor is in the context of Irsay. Yeah, and how dug-in Irsay is. Yeah. And then over on the Miami side, what is the health of Irsay. Yeah, and how dug in Irsay is. And then
Starting point is 00:51:45 over on the Miami side, what is the health of Jeff Wilson? When everybody is healthy for them, and Ahmed too, when everyone is healthy, all four players legit could take snaps for the Miami Dolphins. That is something that could happen. For sure.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Yeah, I mean, and this is... And that's a disaster for fantasy. Maybe not enough fantasy analysts say i'm not sure yeah i think it's okay to answer that one because i i haven't traded my running back depth in part in one of my leagues because i know zach moss has a it's like you look at the bottom of the milk carton and it says could expire next week now he might might, you know what I mean? And then you're like, I'm going to take another sip of this and I'm going to keep it in my fridge.
Starting point is 00:52:30 And it's delicious right now. And it could be delicious all year, like legitimately. Let's play the hypothetical out. JTT does not come back. Let me just throw this out because we do have a recent tweet from today from Dan Graziano. Colts running back Jonathan Taylor, quote, still doesn't want to play for the Colts,
Starting point is 00:52:55 and the Colts, quote, still don't want to give him a long-term contract. So we're in the same exact spot we were with Jonathan Taylor, but someone has to leverage. Someone does not. If Zach Moss is alone and Jonathan Taylor does not return to play with that uniform on, Zach Moss is what rest of season? Top 15
Starting point is 00:53:16 running back. I think he's the running back from here on out. I would say the running back 18. I think and then so you have to make that call because if that's the case, he's better than A-Chan. He's a better player. He's going to have a better outcome than
Starting point is 00:53:31 A-Chan if there's no Jonathan Taylor, I think. Yeah, if there's no Jonathan Taylor, you get a 100% snap player who's involved in the pass game. Very difficult to... Follow-up quote. Graziano says it would not surprise me if his first game of the season was in a different uniform. And guess who was the most interested?
Starting point is 00:53:48 That's what's so funny. Not anymore. It was the Dolphins. The Miami Dolphins. Oh, I think they're still very interested. But although Mostert has been great, but they've dealt with injuries. Like Ahmed's been hurt. Jeff Wilson's been hurt.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Mostert always gets hurt. A. Chan's been hurt. I think it would be difficult for the Miami Dolphins, after having what happened this last week, I think it would be difficult for them to trade for Jonathan Taylor, to give up draft capital and a contract. I disagree. Now, here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:54:17 I'm saying that right now, like this week. If something happens where Jonathan Taylor continues to play chicken with the Colts and he's just waiting there for another injury around the league and HN goes down or Mostert goes down obviously I think it's crazy they're gonna grab him crazy situation yeah the HN is the that is a scratchers I mean you pretty decent odds on it but you just don't know. A-Chan could be unstartable, and A-Chan could be a league winner. Yeah. That is a rare combination in a player.
Starting point is 00:54:51 Let's do the league winner thing, A-Chan. Let's go, baby. Thursday Night Breakdown. I'm looking forward to this game. The Detroit Lions, 2-1, taking on the Green Bay Packers. They have to go to Lambeau and do it. The DraftKings Sportsbook line, Detroit minus 1.5. To me, that is a profound line.
Starting point is 00:55:18 The over-under is 46. Both teams are 2-1, which is another reason I'm surprised that the lions are road favorites here you know lambo is a tough place to play and um the winner takes control of the division and it looks like the packers are going to be healthy i think as of this moment the expectation is that both christian watson and aaron jones will be available obviously that's it's still a little too early to know that definitively, but that's what's been reported. What's interesting is that Jordan Love has had a really fantasy-relevant,
Starting point is 00:55:54 productive amalgamation of a season. And I think this is really, really good for the Jordan Love fantasy believer because the first three weeks he produced, because he has produced at a higher than sustainable touchdown rate. So he's throwing touchdowns at a really high percentage relative to his throws. I think he's thrown the most uncatchable passes in football. You know, we talk about the Luke Musgrave shots. He's completing only 53% of his passes.
Starting point is 00:56:22 And yet he's finished at quarterback three and six. That is better than only Zach Wilson. Now his touchdown rate did decline. We are back at 7% on the year because it went down to 2.3% this past week. I say all that to say I believe he's a pretty good quarterback
Starting point is 00:56:40 and I think that the accuracy things will improve over time. It will improve when you add Christian Watson and Aaron Jones back to the offense. And so the touchdowns have masked it. And I think that touchdown percentage can go down and the accuracy can go up and you can sustain fantasy value. Does he sustain it this week against a Lions defense that's pretty middle of the path this year? They're 14th against quarterbacks, 13th against running backs, 10th against wideouts. They've made pretty vast improvements. I enjoy watching
Starting point is 00:57:08 Brian Branch roam the field. It's for fantasy. I mean, I think I'm playing everybody, you know, like Aaron, if Aaron Jones is back, you're, you have to put him in. Um, AJ Dillon should be on the bench. AJ Dillon should be on the bench. A.J. Dillon should be on the bench. I love this sentence. I'm playing everybody. Dot, dot, dot. A.J. Dillon should be on the bench. As in, I'm playing the regular players.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Christian Watson, if it's his first game back, I don't care. I'm going to fire him up. Romeo Dobbs has played too well to not be in flex consideration for you. Musgrave just keeps barely missing. Romeo Dobbs or Garrett Wilson this week? Give me – what's the Jets matchup? Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:57:52 Give me Romeo Dobbs. I would as well. Okay. Sorry to cut you off there. No, I'm just saying, like, this is exciting. This is the Packer team that we had the hopes for. Jordan Love made a bet on himself. The Packers kind of hedged their bet on is Jordan Love the guy with the way that they reworked the contract for him.
Starting point is 00:58:14 And he should succeed. If Jordan Love is a competent quarterback with the players who are around him, he should succeed in the NFL. And so far, we're feeling all right it feels like he has a deep wide receiver room with watson dobbs jayden reed who is an emerging i think talent he is and then wicks and musgrave and like it actually feels like they have equipped him in a way that only aaron rogers would dreamed. It's crazy because they're all so young. There's like no veteran here outside of Aaron Jones at the running back position.
Starting point is 00:58:50 It's just the youngest core of really good receiving options that can grow together. You do need Jordan Love to play better. He's missing too many open throws. He cannot continue to do that and succeed and have touchdowns or other things mask his play he's got to improve uh this is a matchup his incomplete passes are hitting empty dirt right he's got one pick on the year as opposed to being picked off uh this is a really good matchup it's at home which i like i i really like that this game is in Lambeau for the Green Bay side of the field.
Starting point is 00:59:27 Do you start Jared Goff? Who would you start Jared Goff or Jordan Love in this same matchup? Because Goff has not been a road warrior, and Jordan Love has been running the ball, which is really nice. He's on pace for over 400 rushing yards. it's a very nice baseline to give you i think the home player is probably the pick there i think jordan loves the pick i i'm going i'm going jared goff goff is um he's got one good game and two disappointments sure the and we are we're still a little bit too early to fully start trusting the information from schedule-adjusted fantasy points given up. But as of right now, the Green Bay Packers,
Starting point is 01:00:12 when you're adjusting for schedule at the quarterback position, they are a plus matchup, mostly because they gave up so many extra points to the Desmond Ritter and the Atlanta Falcons. But they gave up plus points so far to Justin Fields, huge points to Desmond Ritter and the Atlanta Falcons uh but they gave up plus points so far to Justin Fields huge points to Desmond Ritter and then they held the Saints under which granted that one's a little bit hard because their starter went down in the third quarter I think I'm still a little scarred from last year and I need to be proven before I need to see it to believe it with regards to golf on the road.
Starting point is 01:00:46 If you look at his splits last year at home, he averaged 21.3 fantasy points on the road. 11.5. Blarf. Yeah, it's fair. It's fair. Jordan Love or Justin Fields this week? That's the number one question on our Start sit tool on the website which by the way
Starting point is 01:01:07 quick shout out you can get the start sit tool now in your pocket there is a free in-season app type the fantasy footballers into the app store download it it's free news start sit rankings we're just all of our free just putting it all in there it's basically there and so you you should have it makes it really really easy's a great app. I would go Justin Fields. I would assume you both will go Jordan Lowe. Yeah, I'm going to give my heart a break.
Starting point is 01:01:34 I don't blame you. The doctor, I talked to him after the Fields three starts. Blood pressure issues. He wants me to bring it down. You brought up earlier this week, or yeah, I think it was earlier this week, you brought up the fact that if Justin Fields, if you bench him and he does good, you go, all right, we're back.
Starting point is 01:01:52 I've got an asset. If you start him and he does bad, you're... Popping pills. Yeah. So I don't blame anyone for taking any other starter over Fields. I think the matchup against the Denver Broncos, I'm going to go that way. Dan Campbell says he feels good about his left tackle playing.
Starting point is 01:02:12 David Montgomery has a chance to play. Is this a Dable chance to play, or is this a realistic chance to get on the field? This is more realistic to me. Yeah, being Thursday night, I'm not sure. Does it change how you would treat jameer gibbs and whether you would play him no i'm gonna play jameer gibbs either way okay talk to me about this i look i am i i went out on the record jameer gibbs is my guy this year he's been he's been the running back 24 and 23 the last two weeks which is not meeting expectations and
Starting point is 01:02:41 also not destroying you now is that because you saw just how excited the detroit lions front office was when they smashed the draft button to take a running back at uh 12 overall whose superpower is catching the ball and in two of three games they've given him two targets yeah it's concerning it is what are you doing opportunities the last two weeks for Jameer Gibbs one with Montgomery in the game 16 opportunities one with them out of the game 19 yet that has not translated to anything that makes you happy for fantasy those are great numbers 16 opportunities 19 opportunities are great numbers you look at how he performed in those 17 carries he He had 80 rushing yards, 4.7 a clip. He was very good. He didn't score a touchdown and he wasn't targeted very much in the passing game,
Starting point is 01:03:32 which we know he should be and can be at nine targets a week prior. It has been kind of a, ah, so close week one fell on a touchdown. Ah, just didn't get the, you know, it was all right. Week two, week three wasn't involved in the passing game, but there's still, he has looked close week one fell on a touchdown ah just didn't get the you know it was all right week two week three wasn't involved in the passing game but there's still he has looked good individually his opportunities have been there the fantasy value hasn't come I am not at all steering away from Jameer Gibbs Amon Ra's in your lineup Sam Laporta's in your lineup Josh Reynolds people went out they said hey let's give it a go um no targets in 77 of snaps it was the laporta amon raw and uh why is the name escaping me khalif raymond show last yes last week
Starting point is 01:04:15 and so reynolds is not really he's too risky business to me khalif raymond was what people thought josh reynolds do you think they just switched jerseys? They did, actually. Yeah, a little swap. Anything else from this game you guys want to discuss? No, I don't think so. I'm not looking to play either of these defenses, even though it's a Thursday night, and oftentimes it doesn't become the barn burner you want.
Starting point is 01:04:44 I'm excited for the game. These two teams have put up a lot of points. And, yeah, I'm very excited for the NFL version. Like, this is super important. This division is one of these two teams to have. Second time in four weeks, we have Lions Thursday Night Football, I believe. Because we got them week one. So that's not something people would normally be thrilled about
Starting point is 01:05:05 from years past, but I am thrilled about it now. It's a very fun division to watch. Before we close out, do you think Kirk Cousins gets traded? They're 0-3. I mean, there were rumors before the season. They traded where? The Jets? Are you saying New York?
Starting point is 01:05:23 I mean, that's – I don't think they can afford it. When I say where I mean, aside from the one team that really needs a quarterback right now is Washington. Go back home. Maybe I don't just throw it out there. There's been some some rumors because they're on three. I do not believe that they will trade him.
Starting point is 01:05:44 He's playing very well, and this is, you know, if they lose the next three games, maybe they'll consider it, but I think they need him right now. Alright, that is going to do it for today's episode of the show. Tomorrow we have our starts of the week, the matchup previews, and then, well, I get to
Starting point is 01:05:59 spin that familiar wheel on Friday. I've missed it. I've missed that wheel. Yeah. I've missed it. I've missed that wheel. Yeah. That'll do it. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
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