Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Unsolved Mysteries + TNF Preview, Top 5 Surprises - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/17

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Sep 17, 2025. Will A.J. Brown bounce-back for fantasy football rest of season? Unsolved Mysteries after two weeks of NFL action! Javonte Williams, Drake London, Chase Brown, DK Metcalf and other players discussed on today’s show! Plus, waiver wire backup options, and a preview of Thursday Night Football. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.(00:00) Intro(04:15) Backup Options(12:35) NFL News(17:50) Unsolved Mysteries(18:35) Drake London(23:00) Javonte Williams(26:30) Eagles Pass Catchers(36:10) Thursday Night Breakdown: Dolphins at Bills(43:15) Mailbag(43:40) TreVeyon Henderson or Zach Charbonnet(45:40) Chase Brown or Jordan Mason rest of season(47:10) Kyler Murray or Jordan Love(48:45) Trade Chase Brown for Breece Hall?(49:05) Trade Tee Higgins for Xavier Worthy?(49:20) Rome Odunze over Garrett Wilson or DK Metcalf?(51:50) Trade Zay Flowers and Cam Skattebo for AJ Brown?Connect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Fantasy Footballer's Studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. The Fantasy Footballers podcast for Wednesday, September 17th, welcome in one and all. Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway, the Ducers in the building today. Al Borland is here. Let's see, you're still in our chopped league. Oh, yeah? Papa Josh, you're still in the CHOP league, and then the Falcons here helping with the show.

Thanks, Derek, Kenny. Oh, bad. You call them Danny? Derek Hennessy. Oh, man. Things just get better and better for the Falcon. We're in a big, if you don't know what it is, a chop league, a guillotine league where the lowest score every week gets cut out of the league and all the players get released into the waiver wire. And we're doing one with all of the office here.

And then the waiver wire is wild. I mean, you have a thousand fab to spend and I dropped half of it today. And, yeah, old Derek Hennessy. Yeah, yeah. Matt had to pour one out. Had to put one out. For his homies.

So all the waivers went through this morning and the falcon got chopped last week. And I'm on the chopping block this week. I know that. Matt, I appreciate your donation to my team. Yeah, Jordan Mason. Because my team was looking thin. So, yeah, that's what we're reacting to this morning.

a big show today. Backup options, NFL news to talk about. We're going to dive into some unsolved mysteries on the show today. Preview the Thursday night game and then get into the mailbag if we have time for it. It is a good time and we're going into week three. We'll give a little shout out here. The current Megalibol leader, Conscious Rising, 329 points in the lead after two weeks out of 20,000 people. So congratulations there. But it's just two weeks. You know what I mean?

It's just two weeks. You might not even make the playoffs. Yeah. So congrats though. Shout out to the megal bowl leader. This person is, they're riding high. They are my enemy. And you're like, hey, they're probably not going to make the playoffs.

What a bum. I plan to win this league. Okay. So. Well, I didn't hear your name. I don't need to have my name said now. Talk to me in week 17. Okay.

A reminder. I will make a note. Talk to Jason in week 17. There you go. About Meglabel. Weekly rankings, start, sit, tool, all the articles on the website, the fantasy footballers.com. Also available in our free in-season app.

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Had to cut it down. And I would say 50% of the comments was what's happening. Just in time for winter. Also, strangely, some like strange backhanded insults, several people were like, oh, no, no, he cut off his hair. looks too much like Andy. Oh, gross. Which is gross, I think, was the implication. No, it is.

I don't know which one of us it's gross for. Oh, that's true. It's pretty, it could just be insulting to both of us. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, that makes the most sense. All right, let's jump into our first segment. If you're not in a chop league, Derek Hennessey is probably not one of the backup options. You can pick up on your waiver wire.

So we like to... He was there for us. I know. He's sitting there. I used the waiver wire tool to identify Derek Hennessey to add him to the roster. Look, we have a list of the most drop players on Sleeper over the last 24 hours. So I want to share some of those because this segment, you know, we always say every week. Drop it like it's hot.

We want you to pay attention to who was dropped on Waver Day. Everyone fights for the newest. I mean, Wondale Robinson was picked up in a lot of leagues. Sure. And I'm sure some pretty good players were dropped to pick up and chase the Wondale 142-yard game. But the most dropped players on sleeper the last 24 hours, Joe Burrow and Justin Fields at quarterback. Ollie Gordon Tank, Bigsby, Jaden Blew at running back. Jaden Reed, who had double surgery.

Yeah. We found out this morning, Jaden Reed, had the clavicle surgery and then threw in a side of a side of the foot surgery. I'll bet he saved a little bit of cash on that deal. If you need surgery, do it all. Yeah. Do it all at once. Yeah.

I mean, he was obviously trying to play through the foot injury and then he's like, well, if I'm going to miss time and I've got to pay for, you know, anesthesia. It was Jones. Yes. Yeah. Jones fracture. The feet are getting lots of action this year. Yeah.

They really are. The Jones fracture, the turf toes. We need to take care of the feet. There's a coach who's loving it. Jaden Reed, Marvin Mims, Jaden Higgins, Calvin Austin, Khalil Shakir. It's not that good of a joke, guys. Goodness gracious. The deucers really were cracking up on that one.

A real Rex Ryan fan base back there. Goodness. Mark Andrews, Evan Ingram, Britain Strange. You know, Evan Ingram right now is, like I saw him on the Waver Wire in our league, and it really, it did tempt me a little bit because if you need a tight end, it's hard to see his name there. Oh, the Joker in Denver.

Plus, it's fair to say that like, you know, he was hurt. Yeah, he was hurt. And so there's a chance to snap cows playing behind Troutman, but I didn't pick him up. 100%. That calf issue, we weren't even sure if he was going to play last week. I throw last week out,

and I've been the all-offseason anti-Evon Ingram person, but I do not think that week two's lull is going to be indicative of, what he's going to do rest of season. He's still going to be bad, but not that bad. And, yeah, so there's your biggest drops from the week. So we want to look at three names. Maybe they've been dropped or you need some more names to pay attention to on the waiver wire. Mike, I'm going to let you start because the running back situation in Houston is an ever-evolving

non-Joe Mixon situation. Yeah, Joe Mixon is still gone. And I want to highlight. like Woody Marks, he was a fourth round pick, you know, the snaps went up from week one to week two and had a big time 37-yard catch. And honestly, the biggest thing here is that Damien Pierce was a healthy scratch on Monday. And that was surprising to me. Like, Woody Marks was a guy, okay, if you're in Dynasty, you're aware of the name. But for redraft, there was just really no, no need. But now, with the way that things are going for Houston. I think that Woody Marks is a, for certain builds is a good stash. He's not someone that you can play just yet, but increase of

snaps. The other backup seems to be like what he seems to have taken his job now. And something to pay attention to is though, Darya Gumbalwale was PFF's lowest graded pass blocker of week two. I did see some of his whiffs and it frustrated me because that guy finds himself on the field and third down so much. So, yeah, it's worth paying attention to you. I'll throw Tori Horton out there, wide receiver for Seattle. Great preseason. Slow start to the year.

Finally got four targets this past week, scored for Seattle. And we talked a lot about the way rookies progressed. Like not a lot of rookies have made an early impact. Tyler Warren, Amika, Egbuka, and Tetaroa McMillan. Those are kind of the highlights so far. but Cooper Cup, older veteran-wide receiver, you could see a second half transition, Horton getting more work, more opportunities.

So whether he's an ad today, tomorrow, just pay attention to the snap counts, the production in Seattle, and see what happens. Yeah, I've got a couple of names, but I think the primary one that might be dropped in a handful of leagues, he's not going to be dropped to everywhere, but Matthew Golden will hit some waivers. Sometimes teams just have to,

even if you don't want to drop him because he was a first round NFL draft, pick, injuries and needs. Sometimes it's like, well, I mean, the guy has, what, four targets on the season right now through two games. He hasn't hit a 10% market share. So he's done Jack's squat, which is why he'll hit some waivers. But Matthew Golden has been good, actually good on the field. The Packers look outstanding. Jordan Love is firing on all cylinders. His, according to fantasy points data, Matthew Golden right now is leading the league in average separation score he is he is a matter of time yeah it's a matter of time and they need him and it's a good offense so matthew golden i would i would scoop up two other names i want to quickly

throw out jaden higgins will be on almost every waiver wire after you know he's not a sure you want you guys brought him up as you would drop him yesterday and i'm fine dropping him i'm saying christian kirk is supposed to be back now no i i get that but i'm just saying as the season goes on they're they have to make changes for the houston texans and i think higgins and i think higgins will have relevance by the end of the year. So maybe you don't pick them up this week. Maybe it's next week or just wait and watch. But I've got my eyes on him still.

And then the other name, look, if you didn't like Jaden Higgins, you're going to hate this one. You guys are going to, yeah. Oh, this is nasty. But there are teams that will benefit. It's nasty butt. I've never heard of him. Mark Andrews.

Oh, no. Yeah, Jason. Yeah, listen to my logic here. I would say, I hope it was dead silent. That was it for five minutes. Listen to this. Listen, check this out. I've got a feeling. No, here, there's a quarter of every single league out there that have no option to tie in. You're trying to play someone that you're thinking might get four or five targets and it just looks bad. And you're going on the waiver wire, picking up Jatavian Sanders hoping there's a breakout yada. but when you actually need to start someone, the likelihood of a touchdown coming from Mark Andrews is much higher than most of the riffraff on the waiver wire. He had a touchdown last week. He literally had one. You leave the street rats alone, Jason.

He caught a touchdown. It was pretty much done deal, and then an amazing defensive punch out right in the end zone, knocked the ball out of his hands. Because he's got old weak hands now. Sure, but I mean, this is a guy who will have a lot of touchdowns through the season. He is not a possession receiver like he used to be.

He's not going to go out there and get eight targets in a game. But if you just want a touchdown play, Lamar is going to throw 30 touchdowns this year, and several of them are going to go to Andrews. We saw last year he had disappearing X like crazy and then just goes against double-digit touchdowns. Two targets side the five this past week. So it's unfortunately, if you're in the touchdown-only zone, Mark Andrews, who's in that category. And it's not much different than Zach Hertz, to be honest. Right.

Exactly. If he doesn't score. You're going to be bummed. But Andrews. Nasty butt. Nasty butt. That was backup option sponsored by Progressive Insurance Quote today at progressive.com.

Let's talk news. News and notes from around the league. Presented by Progressive Insurance. It was announced this morning that Justin Fields is officially out this week as he deals with a concussion. To Rod Taylor will start against the Buccaneers. It was announced before waivers went through. but didn't have that out

sitting next to his name until just after. Oh, can you move in there? Oh, he's marked out now. Oh, fantastic. Oh, it's great. You got some backup option.

Who are you talking about? Yeah. All right. Aaron Jones placed on IR with the hamstring injury. He'll be out through the team's week six buy at a minimum. This is a huge opportunity for Jordan Mason. The team itself,

I will say like Jordan Mason should be successful and should be started, but the offensive line combined with the change of quarterback will add some variables to the equation. I'm very, very curious about the Vikings offense in general and how much success they can have. You should have a little bit of

I don't know if it's trepidation, but just what is Justin Jefferson for the next handful of weeks? Everybody's seen the route the route scene around the world, the T.J. Hawkinson route. I mean, we've all seen this, right? No, I don't know what you're talking about. This does not feel like the route scene around the world. Well, you two,

hiding under a rock. Go ahead and just search T.J. Hawkinson route. That won't be hard to find. Okay. All right. He had a very unimpressive route that led many to believe he is toast, which I brought this up to Jason earlier in the week that I think he's toast. Like I, we

haven't seen T.J. Hawkinson post injury look good at all. So I don't, you know, no production this year, no production at the end of last year. And yeah, you can, you can judge it however you want. I'm not, I have no confidence in T.J. Hawkinson He did a double fake.

He went in, out, and then back in. Slowly. Yeah, it was pretty slow. Like I think, remember yesterday you told me that I could run like Joe Flacco? Mike, you can run that route. Oh, that's a big compliment. You can run that route. So we'll see.

I mean, it's the offense in general in Minnesota. We trust Kevin O'Connell, but at the same time, what, seven of eight quarters have looked pretty bad for J.J. McCarthy. But we have, we'll have Carson Wentz here. The offensive line still remains a huge issue. but it's like for Carson Wentz, he was a later joiner to the Minnesota Vikings. I believe he joined the squad in late August.

So hopefully he's ready to go. But we've seen Kevin O'Connell take guys off the street, not off the street, but just like right to the team, right to a starting position and be fantasy relevant. So it's like, can offensive line aside, can the offense be

that much worse than what we've seen with J.J. McCarthy? And then the next two weeks... You know who they're a quarterback should have been. Who's that? Daniel Jones. Hmm. Yeah. Daniel Jones was on the roster. That should have been their quarterback. So was Sam Donald. But the next two matchups for Jordan Mason, Cincinnati Bengals, and the Pittsburgh Steelers, who through two weeks look like a absolute run funnel. So at least for the next two weeks, I have some excitement to play Mason. It was funny. Many leagues. That is the Browns.

Several leagues that I have, I had the Steelers defense out of the draft. Right. Oh, they were a target. I played them. Yeah, week one against Justice Fields. I have moved on in every league this morning from the Steelers' defense. Christian Watson anticipates returning to practice for the Packers sometime soon. His window to come back opens up in week six. And then Christian Kirk is expected to come back for the Texans.

That offense has looked so bad. I mean, they're 0 and 2 in a division they're expected to win. The ball is not getting spread around to anybody. Nico Collins is not producing the way fantasy players hope they can't run the football their offensive line is a struggle the Jaden Higgins, Noel Hutchinson

the reason I don't like Higgins is because it's just kind of a mess I mean it could be Hutchinson as much as it could be Higgins sure I agree completely and if you when you watch the games you just know their offensive line is it is a it's not

to call it a sieve or a colander is unfair to Culleners because that stops some stuff from getting through It's just non-existent. Fabulous. However, you look at the first... It's a chef joke. You look at the first two weeks was the Rams,

whose defense, I think, is outstanding, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who have a great defensive line. And so hopefully, when... I mean, this was Stroud, so far his whole career. He has beat up on bad defenses. And maybe part of that is because when he actually has some protection, he can sling it. It's not always going to be as bad. So like they've got Jacksonville, Tennessee as the next two weeks. I think there could be some healing here.

All right. That was news and note sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at progressive.com, progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and third party insurers. Not available in all states or situations coverage subject to policy terms, limits, and conditions. Let's take a break and we'll jump into some spooky unsolved mysteries. All righty, we did this last year. We'll talk about what we did last year and how it worked out, but it's time to jump in. Unsolved mysteries.

So last year at this time, we were talking about what happened to the elite tight-ins. Leporto was drafted very highly, Kelsey, both of those guys, there was panic in the streets through two weeks. We also asked the question, is Sam Donald actually good? good after two weeks? The answer was pretty much yes. We asked that, I think, 17 straight weeks. It was an unsolved mystery for a long time. And then we had been talking about passing

numbers and will they come back? It was a struggle to start the year. So we put this out there. We wanted to figure out what you're asking about. So we have three unsolved mysteries to discuss. The first one being Drake London, or as Kyle put it, is the

bridge falling down or under construction? I guess that would be a London. Bridge joke. Is that what that is? Yeah. Drake London. Only the best here. Through two weeks. Yeah, Cullender jokes and bridge jokes. That's what we do. All right, through two weeks, he's the wide receiver 28 and 77 in his two weeks.

A lot was made. I think too much was made personally of the final three weeks of the season with Michael Pinnock, Jr. 15 targets, though, in week one. turning 15 targets into wide receiver 28, that's tough. And then last week, three for 49 with a fumble. Atlanta is playing extremely slow. They're 31st and pass rate over expectation.

That is the inverse of what we've been excited about with Justin Herbert, obviously. I mean, they've just ran and ran and ran. It is what I would do if I were them. And one of the things with Atlanta that I think we're seeing through two weeks is an evolution and progress on the defensive side of the football. I think they have a pretty good pass rush, a pretty good defense compared to where they had been in the past. So maybe the strategy in Atlanta is going to be much more Beijon-Algear heavy, protect Michael Pinnock's. Not that he won't have big games, but you did see the perfect variance in two weeks.

You saw almost a 300-yard game and you saw 140-yard game. That being a possibility, does it change your view on Drake London at all? He was drafted as the wide receiver, what, nine? Yeah, about there. I think we, based on how you've talked this last week about the Falcons, I think you and I, at least, Andy, will disagree here. I don't think London Bridge has fallen down here. I do not believe that this looks like a team that is coming out with specific game plans for their opponents.

You know, you watched the beginning of this last week in prime time against Minnesota, and every play was a handoff to Bejan to start that game. It's like, this is what we're doing. Whereas the week prior when they're going up against Vita Vian, that divisional opponent they knew well, who has such a good, you know, run-stopping defense, they did the exact opposite. Bejohn only had 12 carries in the entire game. He was out wide. They were throwing the ball like crazy. And so this is, I believe, a team that is going to have plenty of games where they are throwing like crazy. And while their defense has impressed me

so far, I think their defenses looked really, really good, which is not something we've said of the Falcons for ever. It's been quite a while. I mean, when was the last time the Falcons Devens was like, man, that Devens was good. I can't ever remember. But I've only watched football for about 30 years. So it could have been before that. But there's still not a team that is projected to win 12 games. They're going to be in a lot of shootouts, and they're willing to throw the ball.

So my opinion on this unsolved mystery is that, like, I've made a couple offers for Drake London in hopes that, you know, bad opening start to the season. maybe you're afraid that they're not going to throw the ball. I don't think that's going to happen. And on the London side, on the positive side, he still, he had a terrible, outrageously bad game this last week, but that included a couple of drops just on him. That included a fumble with a good punch out. Awful game.

But he still had, you know, he still had the involvement, the utilization. So to me, he's, what is he, like almost 40% of their first read targets? Sounds about right. London is, you know, feels still safe to me. Yeah, and remember he was, he got knocked out in week one with the shoulder injury, so he's, you know, still recovering from that. I'm on more of the side of, I would go. I'd make some offers to try and get Drake London.

We get Carolina next week. The defense has played well, but we are getting news that AJ Terrell is now week to week with the hamstring injury, so, and they're bringing a bunch of guys in, so I would expect, like, I mean, that's great news for, for, for, Tedroa McMillan this week as they play against Carolina. But I think overall London will bounce back and we'll look back at the first two weeks

and go, oh yeah, yeah. Remember that when that happened? Giovante Williams will it continue? Javante Williams is the RB4 and back-to-back weeks to open the year. He had one top five fantasy finish in the previous 54 games played

in his entire career. He had seven targets last week in the offense. My son has been giving me the business on Javante. How so? Like he's like, why didn't you believe? Yeah, he's like, Javante's dog. And I'm like, that may be, but this man has been garbage for so, so many years. So it wasn't a high probability bet.

He was someone that was laid out of, you know, if you tuned into our, our offseason tips. I don't know, shows. Yeah, thank you. Shows of just highlighting certain backfields that you want to, you want to take a chance on it. Javante Williams was in a backfield that was you needed to take a chance on it because he was so late. Will it continue? I'm very concerned about the injury to the center. But if they can get that figured out, then I don't see a reason this won't continue.

Like the biggest threat would be, I know Miles Sanders is the backup, but the biggest threat to Javante really losing fantasy value is Jaden Blue. He's not a threat unless Javante is unproductive. And so far, the gap seems massive between. And last year it was Zeke. Zeke was, Zeke looked and the numbers looked awful. It was infuriated. Javante's been great.

Yes. Also, one thing to note, Dallas games have been unbelievably close. 132 of 139 offensive plays were neutral. It was like within seven points, which is crazy. Like, that's almost every play that they've had in the entire season. So, you know, if they get behind by a bunch, I don't, you know, what does that mean? I don't know. Last week was a shootout and he was heavily involved. So, you know, Jason, where do you stand on Givante? Are you a, would you buy? I don't think I'm going to buy, but I'm certainly going to hold. I believe that he is, he's impressed me through two weeks. He gets what is given to him, but he has played. I mean, your son's not wrong. He's looked like he's got the dog in him. Yeah. He always has. He just, that, that knee injury was apparently so devastating. He just needed to be five or six, eight years.

move from the injury. I don't think it's a health thing where it's like now he's got his explosiveness back. I'm not seeing old school Giovante where it's like, whoa, he's so incredibly hard to take down. He's so speedy and bursty after getting stopped for a moment. Those things aren't there. Those things are never coming back for Giovante. But the actual utilization is what we dream of for fantasy football. He is a full bell cow. And he's on a good offense that look part of the reason i loved that's that's just that is so incredible there's you know a handful of guys across the league that get that kind of treatment and one of the reasons i was so in on the dac cd stack this year uh it was a combination of bad defense good offense and

no running game but it turns out looks like they're able to run the ball just fine so bad defense still bad defense still a good offense yeah um and And, you know, I'm in. However, obviously it's, he's not going to have, you know, touchdowns every single week, be the running back four every week. We've brought up the center that is now going to be gone for six weeks. That will hurt him. The upcoming schedule is also a little bit rough. So, I mean, I will say this. I looked at rankings coming into the week and where Javante was kind of default. He's way too low. Like I see Javante as a top 15 weekly start. He should be starting. He should be starting. started going forward. The last unsolved mystery is the Eagles passing offense doomed through two weeks. Domed! Philadelphia is dead last in pass rate. Jalen Hurts is thrown for 152 and 101 in two victories.

They are one of four teams in the last 10 years to start 2 and 0 with under 250 total yards and two games in the passing offense. It's insane. And by the way, like two of those four were Justin Fields. for the Steelers and the Bears and then one was Caleb Williams last year. And so all the targets in the entire

offense have been short. Mike Renner had tweeted, I mentioned it earlier in the week, only two completions of 10 plus air yards. A.J. Brown, you could have started a random wide receiver on any team and gotten better production in the first two weeks. Yeah. Wide receiver 172. That's, sorry, 100.

The next week, wide receiver 72. So it's going up. 172. Yes. How many wide receivers are there? So, you know, the target share jumped. It was all about no targets in the first matchup pretty much.

But, you know, it's not downfield stuff. 25% of his routes are slants. That's the highest among all wide receivers. That's not high value. If you have low volume and then your actual receptions are slant routes, you know, he's not going to break away like an old school OBJ. So it is concerning to me. we have what we want and hope for

from Devante Smith and AJ Brown and it can certainly turn around but we also have now a pretty long track record a new offensive coordinator and unfortunately for everybody out there victories and by the way the only news I saw from the offense this past week

was their offensive coordinator coming out and saying don't worry we're going to run more designed runs for Jalen Hertz that's the comment oh it's probably smart I was a little worried so I should not not for that okay no I mean Jalen Hertz was also really disappointing a week this past week but are you you know to me I is it doomed doomed is too strong a word

for me is it going to be a bumpy ride that's where I'll say yes where is like where is your worry meter from 1 to 10 10 being worried worried worried meaning what for my like for my fantasy team if you're not like he's going to bust yeah feeling like I wait 10 10 is the bad one? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, 10 is worried. I would say somewhere in the 7 range.

Okay, so you're a majority worry. Are you, would you consider unloading? Yes, I would trade AJ Brown. 80 Brown still has name value. He would be, he would be an absolute trade for me, yeah. Yeah, I would, here's what I would do. I would try to trade AJ Brown and somebody that you don't believe in long term to go get J.S. I doubt you're going to get that done.

That's the kind of, I mean, because J.S. went way, way behind A.J. Brown in drafts. You could pick a different name. I mean, somebody else that's, find somebody else that's not J.S.N. But I do think that I personally, I don't have a horse in the race. I don't have AJ Brown on a roster. I don't have Devante Smith on a roster. I do think that there are going to be some really good games coming. But their defense, Sequin Barkley, a year of, like last year, everyone was like, oh my gosh, they have to do something different. We can't have another year like last year. And they were right. It's worse. yeah you thought you were at the bottom uh find a couple what's your number i'm i'm worried i put myself at about a six jason what's your number yeah jason you got a j brown so i'm just i'm trying i'm trying to send trade offers out real quick before we talk about yeah because papa josh and matt have drake london i'm trying to trying to try i was trying to all right let's make it happen i know that i know that falcon has no i offered a j brown and kashon booty for Drake London

you're the one who loves booty no one else loves booty okay whatever you want us to reject it right now or wait a little bit I wanted to booty well it was just I would you

I mean even straight up maybe people are worried and they want AJ Brown but my point is they're not doing that I was trying to of course they're not going to do that I was trying to get it done before

we got to this segment because I'm super worried I'm okay I'm sure what's your number in eight Okay. I mean, so when we were, that someone had talked about like A.J. Brown for a Bucca, you would now probably do that?

Man, I tell you what, I still don't think I would. When I'm, when I'm really, really worried, it doesn't take away the fact that A.J. Brown will have monster weak winning performances. That will, that will happen. He hasn't aged out. I don't think there's a problem here. Although in talent, Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown, we have seen them be dominant forever. But the issue is what. they are willing to do in probably 60% of their games they're capable of doing what they're two hours ago. Oh, great. You want it? You tell me if I want it. I haven't read it yet. Quote, the goal is to win the game no matter what it looks like.

No, I don't want it. I don't want it. Return to sender. You reject the quote. No, I want a diva wide receiver that says, yeah, I'm happy we won, but, you know, I can do more. I got something better for you. All right. all right in 203 through two weeks he was a total of 11 for 101 yes i did weeks three through 17

he was 94 for 1339 and 7 yeah that's okay that's your good side that is the absolute hope now currently he's on pace for 300 yards on the year my yeah and obviously that's not going to happen all wide receivers in in fact including a j brown we have seen him disappear many times in the past and still finish as a top 10 wide receiver on those seasons that can still happen My biggest worry is that the changing of going from Kellynne Moore to this new office of coordinator coincides with what we saw week one with Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard was just getting these little tiny, easy, worthless for fantasy targets. Goddard got injured, went out, and then all of a sudden eight targets for A.J. Brown last week. That's great.

But they were all those same tiny worthless targets. Six and a half. You're going down. Okay. All right. Cooling off. Cooling me. me off, man.

Six and a half. I got, let me give you some names. And you just, let's see if we can get Andy to five. Do you prefer A.J. Brown or this other player. It's a great terrible game. I don't like it. We're going to start at the top traits that I, you probably can't get done, but we're going to throw other names out anyways.

Okay. Drake Lynn. No, Zay Flowers. Oh. I would rather have A.J. Flowers. I would rather have A.J. Brown. Okay.

Okay. So, do you want to do that deal? No, I said I would rather have A.J. Brown. Dang it. Okay. All right. Let's go. Jason, you can't get.

Devonte Adams. I'd rather have AJ Brown. Mike, are you on the opposite of both of those? I don't, I honestly don't know. I am the host right now. I knew you're going to say that. I've seen someone take that stance. Garrett Wilson.

Oh, that's a good one. That one's good. Because I think the volume is definitely going to be on the Garrett side. Yes, it will. I think I like that. Can I host? No. No, no, no. I'm the captain. Man, that is really tough. I think I would rather have Garrett Wilson. Okay. And last one, Tederoa McMillan. Ted. Tett easy. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm going to go try to trade that. That one you might be able to get through because he hasn't. That's a good trade on. He hasn't blown up. He's done very, very well.

Jason's done for the rest of the show. Yeah. See you later. He's got one goal. Devante Smith, by the way, wide receiver 80 and 53. So it's not good for him either. either. And, you know, do you go try to pick up Devante Smith? He's a lot cheaper. I would not. Okay. All right. I'm not fire selling DeVant Smith, but I wouldn't actively go get it. The other biggest questions people are dealing with, they don't need answers necessarily, but D.K. Metcalf is the number of week started. The yardage numbers have been low. What do you do with Chase Brown, the Chicago pass catchers, the Seattle Seahawks backfield? And then the Starvin Harrison Jr. will ever get more targets? Is it his fault? Is it Tyler's fault. That one I think Mike can speak out briefly. You've talked about it on the Dynasty show, but I would like to know you went back and watched all the film. You kept randomly exclaiming, man, Kyler sucks. But go on.

I mean, I talk about it at length in this week's Dynasty Pod that dropped today. The TLDR is I have some pretty strong concerns of they're using them. They're not getting him anything easy. He had a couple opportunities where just the dog meter looked very, very low of a player who's not willing to fight for it. And then the, like I said, all these deep routes and they're running some deep posts. And the times where it looks like there's a window over the linebacker in between the backer and the safety, Kyler just won't take it. So I have concerns it that it might just be last year slightly better. Okay. All right.

Well, we have a Thursday night game to get to. Let's do it right now. Thursday Night Breakdown. Would you trade A.J. Brown for Rome or Dunezay? I'm sure you would. Sure I would? I bet you would. That one is very scary.

I saw it come through in Slack and I didn't want to answer it, so I'm not taking any more questions. He is now hosting. All right, Thursday night. Oh, boy, Miami. You're O and 2, and you get to go to Buffalo on Thursday night and play the bills. The Vegas line, Buffalo minus 12 and a half. 12 and a half. The overrunner is 49 and a half.

I'm taking the bills. Yeah, the 12 plus point favorites have won 89% of the time in the last decade. Buffalo is 12 and 1 as 12 point favorites. There have been some injuries to the defensive side of the football for Buffalo. I think two major ones announced this morning. If somebody wants to vet that for me and let me know those names, again. I think one is what is it, Matt Milano

and I think one more name. So you can, somebody find that. But Miami gets to try to, Ed Oliver, was it? Yeah, yeah. They get to try to figure things out. I think Mike McDaniels said something about to win the game, you got to win it and not lose it. That seems like you're on.

That dude is done. He is so done. He's out. It went from endearing to sad. This was talked about when, I remember years ago, all these little conferences with this cute little quips. People then were saying, this is really nice right

now while things are good, but this act will not hold up at all or be tolerated when teams are... Yeah, the foot monster says the same thing. Teams are losing. It's like, you just can't, you can't be smarmy and like that, you know, when things are going bad. Yeah. Sarcasm

is, you got to know when to use it. All right. Josh Allen in his career, if it helps the equation. They've destroyed the dolphins, 12 and 2, never lost at home against them. It's really, really hard to see this game going different than the way it looks in the Vegas line. Josh Allen, you play him. James Cook has been incredible. You play him. Will they need to use Keon Coleman? I mean, right now, Shakir and Kincaid are completely unstartable. Kean Coleman is the only one with this like, he's like maybe we are excited about it. The defensive injuries, maybe you could

get more of a you know more opportunity for miami to put some points up Miami did not look as bad at all last week they are also the highest pass rate in the entire national football league so a chan he's getting so many targets tyreek last week he got it done jalen wattle same story not surprising he's limited uh twice this week with a shoulder injury and of course darren waller's just in miami for the vibes he's not playing so it's ramping up i mean it's not a very complicated matchup is just do we get more excitement in this game and we know that you know buffalo can win the game without josh allen too last week 11 fantasy points for josh allen after a 50 point week they didn't need him he wasn't playing baltimore they just manhandled the jets and james cook went crazy yeah it took

it took a it took a kind of like an all-timer run from james cook where it turned into whatever it was the 40 or 50 yard touchdown so yeah i i think it's yeah this is an easy game of the people that you that you play, you're going to play. Kion Kulman, I guess, is really just the hardest decision. Are you where the snaps went down? Iommanner or Kion Kulman?

Ooh. If you're at the bottom of the barrel, double flex. I'd still go with Coleman. I would as well. Okay. All right. I mean, it's not, like I said. He's going to get us with an Iomanner question one of these weeks, Jay. And we're going to have to say I omanner. No, and the thing is is I really want it said, Iow Manor

looks great. He looks like a very, very good rookie wide receiver who is on the field. I believe in the talent. I'm very anti what I've seen out of Cam Ward so far. Rookie year. I like Cam Ward, man. I like the guy too. No, I think he's a good, I think he, you think about the scale of rookie quarterbacks and how they play to start the year. I don't think it's been, he's not been at the bottom end of that. He's had two tough matchups. I agree he's had two tough matchups. I think he's held up okay i mean it's um i mean man he's completed 43% of his passes 58% of his passes hasn't hit 200 yards no that all of that is fair and i don't the thing with the thing with iomanner is not you know we're not having the conversation about it's not the it's not the ridley conversation

where it's like okay statistically it's very very difficult for a rookie quarterback to hold up a wide receiver one and give you those monster numbers if they're not named steve smith right we've we've looked at those numbers. Ionanor, we're just talking about a flex play. Sure. Can you get a flex play at some point during the year? The snap counts are helpful. We have an interesting flex question that Matt put it in the chat, but I'm going to make him read it on the microphone.

Oh my good. What's your question? Henderson or Coleman in my flex. Okay, there we go. Treyvion or Kayne? He just, he held it to like three words. Nice. Very good. And he had to have it written out. Travo, yeah. That was also part of the help.

Trevo or Keon Coleman in your flex? That is a fascinating question. I think because I'm hosting, I won't answer that one. I would go Keon Coleman. I would go Keon Coleman. I would go Keon Coleman. I expect great things from Trevion Henderson as the season opens up and progresses. It could happen as early as this week.

I might go Trevion. But with the... I'd play Trevion against the Pittsburgh Steelers. With the... I forgot the match. Oh, Ramandre is going to cook! Yeah, Ramonore's going to cook! Oh, I need him so bad this week. I believe at one point in last week, and I said something like I'd start a retired player over Ramandre.

I think I said that on the show. Whoops. And, uh, I mean, like, all it took were, was, was three egregious holding penalties. Yeah, by Trayvion. Uh-huh. Breaking news. Well, we did get update that Jaden Daniels, while he's had a good rehab session, he's not going to practice until Friday at the earliest. And so Marcus Mariotta could very well be starting for the commanders.

yucky butts the week mariotta has played okay I'm trying to when did we see him you saw him

at length in week seven last year against Carolina and he I probably 202 is he playing against Carolina again

I don't think so it would not make me feel I mean Tara McLaren right now if there's not an unsolved mystery about him I'd be worried about Terry McLaren in general

that one feels solved that feels solved but I mean Debo Debo get short area targets from Mariotta, that won't be a worry. He also probably get carries. Do not love the holdouts. No. Do not love the holdouts.

He loves it because he got a lot of money. Yeah, no, he did what he had. It's Washington's fault. Like you, this was your leader. Yeah. And you're looking at your- And you paid him anyways. Imagine your team this year without him. Then you go full stop. Okay, let's figure it out. Just get him on the practice field. It's ridiculous. Yeah. All right. We'll take a break. We'll jump into some mailbag. Well, it wouldn't be a Wednesday without some mailbag coming your way.

Here we go. Mailbag. Mailbag. Presented by NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. All right, we got some voicemail questions in there for today's episode. If you want to submit one to us, you can dial the voicemail hotline 302464 TFFB. You can also go to the website, the fancy footballers.com. Click that, submit a question button.

We'll start with a voicemail. Hey, ballers, what's going on? It's Randy from Sanem Springs, Louisiana. I was wondering, should I start Dravian Henderson or Zach Charbonnet and a full PPR leave? Thanks. Love the show. Great show. Bye.

I can't get over the fact that we are now, we have two different Hennessees playing football. We've got Derek Hennessey and now we got Trayvon Hennessey. Beautiful. So full PPR start Trevo Henderson against Pitt or Zach Charbonnet against the same. Saints? Oh, boy. It's a perfect matchup for Charbonnet, the style of play, the up and the... Yeah, I think if you are... No targets so far on week one or two for Charbonnet. Yeah, that's a tough. Seahawks are heavy favorites at home. I lean Charbonnet and if you're saying, you know, no context to my matchup, do I need a ceiling play? If I was a heavy underdog, I'm probably not playing Charbonne. I'll probably try Trayvian.

and hope I catch, you know, you get a screen pass for 67 yards and a touchdown. But otherwise, I think Charbonnet is the safer play. I... Jason looks like he doesn't want to answer that one either. I just want to hear what Mike has to say. It's a really, really tough question. If I had them both...

Oh, he was so bad. He was so bad. And what's ironic is we're talking about the shock. Oh, Charbonnet. We're talking about... Travian was so bad, too. Well, Henderson just didn't get to play. That's a bad thing.

Yeah, I agree. Ironically, we're talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers match up and how they have not been good against the run and they haven't. But that was who, you know, not just Kenneth Walker played them last week. Sharpenet played against the Steelers last week when he went 15 carries for 10 yards. It's very impressive.

Coach said he played good football. I think he played good football the week before. That's for sure. I think I'll play Charbs. Rest the season question from Colby in Texas. Knowing Aaron Jones and Burrow are now out, who scores more points? Jordan Mason or Chase Brown rest of season? So Aaron Jones, out?

It's still going to be Chase Brown. I think that's a pretty easy Aaron Jones for me simply because... You mean Jordan, wait, Aaron Jones? It's a... Chase Brown. Chase Brown. A very simple Chase Brown for me. You made it very not simple. Yes, I did.

The total weapons there, I think, are best. better. We've seen Jake Browning be able to move the ball. You've got Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. And you should. We don't know for sure with Browning if Chase Brown will be involved in the passing game. But we know he usually is involved in the passing game. Jordan Mason has never in his career been involved in the passing game. And I don't expect that to change. With Aaron Jones out, they did sign Cam Acres to the practice squad. He was part of the team last year. And I don't think that's Jordan Mason's skills. Who has more receptions through two weeks? Chase Brown or Jordan Mason.

Yeah, I was going to say, it's been, I'm looking at the Chase Brown numbers right now. You would only ask that if it was Jordan Mason, but I'm still going to go Chase Brown. It is, but it's, but it is. Chase Brown has two, two for eight, two for 18 and his yards per attempt are two and two point nine through two weeks. It's been bad. The snap counts have been great though. It's just funny. If Jordan Mason has caught three passes, but he, it's not fantastic.

I'm still going to take Chase Brown, but over the short term, I would take. Jordan Mason for these next couple weeks. Yo, yo, yo, ballers. Jimmy from California, my question for you all is, do I play Kyler Murray this week or Jordan Love? Thanks, love the show. Kyler Murray or Jordan Love? You got Kyler at San Francisco and you have Jordan Love at Cleveland.

I want a chance at a big play. And to me, Jordan Love is a big play. Kyla Murray is annoying. He's very, very, very annoying. And guess who's starting him this week? in our League of Record. I am. Oh, no.

I am. I'm so sorry. Yeah. You know who tried really hard not to last week and played Justin Fields like a dummy? I will do anything. I will do almost anything to not play Kyler. I just, but I'm going to play him this week.

Jordan. I don't have Jordan Love. The Cleveland Browns on the road, I mean, that is the scary matchup. I think it's, it's scarier for Jacobs as the Cleveland Brown's front has shut down, you know,

running game two years or two weeks in a row. Jordan Love, the way that they are playing, he looks like he's back. This looks like Jordan Love from two years ago, where they're, I mean, at least I could, just for myself, last year I was very excited for Jordan Love. Then he got hurt in week one and then got hurt again. And it just, it never came through. He's healthy right now. And I think that Jordan Love, Jordan Love can work his way in in the next couple of weeks.

People won't even ask these questions. It'll just be, oh, I start, I have Jordan Love. that's my starter. And that's how I would treat him this week, especially over Kyler. Ian in Florida, should I trade Chase Brown, Jason, for Brees Hall? I think that's a really good question. I think so. I think Brees had a down week this last week. The whole Jets team did, but he still had some runs that showed that juice that we saw in week one with the Joe Burrow injury. I think I'm on the Breece side. Mike, Liam wants to know he's from Massachusetts. Is it worth trying to

trade T. Higgins for Xavier Worthy? T. Higgins for work? No, I would keep T. Higgins. Okay, I guess that's probably a browning reaction. Ryan in Canton, Ohio, hey guys, I'm starting Caleb Williams this week after losing Burrow. Would you start a Dunez-A for the stack over Garrett Wilson or D.K. Metcalf? I would start them over Metcalf. The way that they look the past two weeks with Metcalf, like,

Metcalf has been weird. Metcalf has been Metcalf. I got hoodwinked. Oh, are you going to do this? He's on your team. Of course I will. I drafted him. So he was four for 83. When he's great, I will love him, and when he's disappointed, I will go back and continue

to not like him. Some pays for 110 targets, not quite as high as we'd hope. He had three for 20 last week, but the offense looked bad. Would you play Adunze over Metcalfe? I would. I would for sure. O'Donzee has, I mean, he is a must start at this point. had three touchdowns in the first two weeks. The matchup this week against Dallas appears very, very good. It is currently the second highest over under of the week. It's over

50. And the bears are, I think they were favorites. I think they're now a half point dog. So that's going to go back and forth. I think I'd play him over Garrett. I agree. I think I would as well. I want to ask Andy a question because we've been on today's episode we've asked a lot of questions that we have not enjoyed. Are you trying to do that to me? I want to do that. He's hosting now. I'm hosting this. Let me think about this for a second.

Let me put on my glass. Now you talk all the time about how the Arizona Cardinals should have drafted Malik neighbors because he's so much better. Correct. How about Roma Dunezay over Marvin Harrison? Yeah. Yeah, feel it. Who's the better wide receiver? Marvin Harrison Jr. or

Roma Dunesay? We're now at the point. where the conversation with Marvin Harrison is rotating. Knife in the song. It's rotating to the like Devante Adam's story. That's where I'm trying to get the year three. Oh, maybe next year. Like, Marv does not presently. Yeah, he doesn't have a dog right now.

You can't go up for a, or go up. I mean, it's barely saying go up. He didn't even give an effort for an end zone target. He kind of gently fell backwards. He's humongous, but doesn't play humongous. So Roma Dunes there, Marvin. I'll leave it. How are you feeling about that cat, though?

That's really fun to do. It feels good. It's fun. It's a great way to make fun of somebody. You know who does not have... Miao from their perspective. Yeah. Well, look, here's a guy who does not have the kitty cat.

He's got the dog. Tony wants to know, would you trade Zay Flowers? Who's looked amazing so far. He has. And Cam Scataboo. Who looked great last week and took over the snaps. for A.J. Brown? No. No, I would not. I don't think I'd do that either. I mean, Zayflowers, Zayflowers right now,

do you know, do you know what his target pace is? Take a shot. It's outrageous. Jason, the guesser. Go ahead. Hold on, I was reading a trade offer. Say that question again. To you or from you? To me, a counter. I was reading a trade offer that I was making. Is this a Ted McMillan? It was with that team. Oh, my gosh. He countered. with completely different stuff that I don't want. Anyways, what was the question?

How many targets? You should do a podcast right now. You're real focused in. Zay Flowers, target pace right now. Oh gosh. Through after two weeks of football. I mean, he's got to be near the league lead and receiving yardage. Somebody look that up and see that 170 targets? On the dot. Come on.

For real? Come on. Yeah, it's 170. That's the pace. Nice, good guess. That's why I brought him up of I don't know that you get that done, just a one for one. If you send an offer of A.J. Brown for Flowers, I think that gets rejected in a lot of places. So right now, your top five, this is always fun through a couple of weeks. Top five receiving yards. Do you know who they are? Flowers. Oh, yeah, I'm looking at right now. Malik Neighbors is number one. J.S.N. number two, lamb number three, Puka number four. Zay Flowers, number five. And just for the record, you're rushing leaders right now.

One of these is going to just make you die. Number one, John the Taylor. not surprising. Yeah. Number three, Derek Henry. Number four, James Cook. Number five, Bejan Robinson. Number two?

E.N. Travis Eton. Yeah. Travis Eton is number two. Number six is also wild. Tony Pollard. He had a hundred. Boy, those are some boring yards.

He had at least 90 rushing yards. Those are some boring yards, Tony. How are you that productive and so bad for fantasy? I mean, I guess. Top five passers? He's not getting any. Tony Pollard is not getting targets. Russell Wilson, number one.

Oh, is that because of 450 passing yards? Daniel Jones, number two, Herbert 3, golf, four, deck, five. Russell Wilson. Number 31, Jalen Hertz. There's someone worse. That would be Justin Fields. Oh, yeah, he didn't play.

Yeah, he mostly did. Bo Nix, 25 in passing yards. Yeah, week one was brutal. Interesting. Spencer Rattler is at 21. so you know who's they got moxie man you know who's been they do great so much moxie we're talking about all these like okay through two weeks who's got the most yards who's on a great target pace but i want to give a shout out obviously we know he's a great player but cd lamb who's a top 12

wide receiver right now he's you look at all these lists of all these receptions and yards he's the only one without a touchdown yeah you know even puka had his rushing touchdown everybody's been in the paint cd is hanging with them without that and obviously touchdown's com. All right, that was today's mailbag. Watch every game every Sunday with NFL Sunday ticket and YouTube TV. Visit YouTube.com slash fantasy footballers, local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out of market games. Base plan required excludes digital only games. Commercial use excluded. No refunds. That's it. The show's over. But we'll do another one tomorrow. We'll actually do two tomorrow. We'll do a show in the morning and then

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