Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Week 12 Studs & Duds + Jason’s Trade Regrets - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/24

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Nov 24 2025. Week 12 fantasy football recap! Surprising studs and devastating duds as the fantasy playoffs get closer. Which players are panic alarm worthy? Plus, NFL News, injury updates, and Monday Punday! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.(00:00) Intro(04:34) Monday Punday(08:05) NFL News(14:55) Fantasy Studmuffins(15:00) QB Studs(20:55) RB Studs(26:00) WR Studs(30:40) TE Studs(33:00) Fantasy Duds(33:10) QB Duds(43:40) RB Duds(49:20) WR Duds(55:30) TE DudsConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Monday, November 24th, I think I hear something deep within the ocean. In the waters? Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh, the Megalodon show is this week.

We, uh, we want to let you know. We didn't really tease it last week at all. No, I think the bear was distracting me. I'm gone for a couple seconds. Bear scared the shark, huh? Got bears and sharks on this show. Um, that was, uh, that was a little scary. Welcome into the fantasy footballers.

We have a Megalodon show on Wednesday. that means we are jamming the, uh, what the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday content all into one super sized episode ahead of Thanksgiving Day. Super duper sized. Mike has already made his, uh, reservations at the local jack at the box. I got, guys, you got to call in, don't you? I have to, no, I have, for the first time in, that's, I know where he's going. So many years.

Wait. My jack in the box. It's closed. My local jack in the box is closed. Oh, no. He has no idea what to do for Thanksgiving anymore. Somebody's buying and reheating. You think I can't find another jackson.

I think you will. I'm just saying the one that I have gone to every year for the, a decade at least a decade. They are no more. My one. Wait, they're, time out. Yeah, are they closed or are they? No, they're gone. They're, they've shut down.

Thanksgiving demand is diminished. Real quick, I know we, I know we make this joke. We make lots of, we got, we got bits. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got bits on bits. in the last 10 years have you genuinely gone to that dragon box every single year is that real or like a lot of times i have eaten that jack there may be a year in there where i didn't but

i mean like i won't i won't rule it out but yeah i mean as far as i can remember that is something that is real yes everything yes that is not a bit that is clearly not eating there enough during the other 365 days of the year or they'd still be open i mean it's it's jack in the box That's for Thanksgiving. Like the best part of Jack the Box on Thanksgiving, they're open. Yeah, Brooks is pointing out here that for all new fans and existing fans, you get to join in the annual tradition on the Megalodon shows, such as hashtag Spatchcock, hashtag.

Are you reading off of your watch? Are you reading a Slack message off your watch? I got it. It's on your computer. It's in a different window. It's right here. It's right front of it. Dick Tracy?

That font is all tiny. Look, why was that a problem? I don't know, man. You got hashtag spatchcock, hashtag fixgiving, hashtag dinner butter, and we don't know what's going to happen this week, but something will happen. No, we'll do a special giveaway. Fix giving was an all-timer. Thanksgiving was special.

Oh, we took over the, we were trending for all the wrong reasons. A lot of people were clicking on that hashtag hoping for something that we didn't provide. Football Show. That's right. So welcome into the new week, the band back together here, Megalodon Week. You can watch the show YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers if you want to head over there. We have all the rankings and the StartSit tool and, you know, there's going to be Thanksgiving Day games and Black Friday games and just games on games like we have bits on bits.

Yeah. And we'll cover it all this week. Starting with your Monday punday submissions from a weekend that for me personally did not go that well. For others, it probably worked out, especially with some of these names at the top of Monday Punday.

Starting with Jamirical Gives. Emmanuel Wilson. What, Windale Robinson. Yes, he played with James Winston. Except he didn't win. That is what you got, that's just his name. In fantasy, you did.

You got fantasy you did. Easy pickings. Oh, Ashton Plenty. Juggernaut Smith and Jigba. J.S. Entertainment. Oh, he's so good. Camry Ward? Yes, and come back, Prescott.

Oh, yeah, he did. He man, Henry. Someone played Cam Ward? Well, he did all right. If you played Cam Ward, please let us know on Twitter. That's surprising. Dude, where's my Lamar? Oh, we moved to the bad. Yeah.

Rome O Doomsday. Now let's move to the worst. Oh, J.J. McFarty. Woof That dude Oh man Oh Shamison Williams

Yeah Feel great about that Like Drake Mecca And Mecca Ibooka Oh that sucks Deandre Swift

Yon Cajon duty Mark Blandrews Oh Crian Williams Uh Yeah

Cryrin Oh cryrin I'm sorry CDs drops Yeah Dude what What is going on Seven drops in the last two games

Against the Eagles Yes in the last two games against the Eagles Tons of drops all year Multiple touchdown drops Multiple game Winning You know Opportunity drops

CD what's going on There's a new number one I know I mean genuinely it's like I know It's like right now If you have the question Let me check in on that

If you had one roster spot left. And he said, I have to start George Pickens or C.D. Land. Oh, no. Who are you going to start? What are you going to do? It's crazy. I don't know if you saw Schottenheimer. I mean, I told you yesterday you should have traded for picking, so you had them both.

So the stack always works. Yeah, I, um, well, I benched Dak, which I felt great about. I mean, I'm watching that game down 21 nothing. deck can't do anything the the cowboy's offense can't do anything other than a couple passes to pickings i'm i'm like whew i escaped that do a 360 in my living room i'm like oh no i bench 30 points from deck is that what he ended up with yeah over 30 yeah it was uh it was good did you guys see the shotenheimer uh comments on the drops from cd land not okay this is going to blow your mind because this is i mean you want to talk about Aaron Glenn's got to be rolling over in his

his grave that is a bed because he's still alive. This is a position. They're giving up. I think it was a more eloquent way to do that. No, no, no. It was perfect. You want to talk about giving, giving away trade secrets. Not only is he, I mean, he's.

Oh, is he giving up his competitive advantage? He's giving up his competitive advantage. He came out and said, they're going to still throw the ball to CD. And he said, when we start game planning for Kansas City next week and drawn up plays, I'm going to tell Kansas City, right now, we're still going to keep throwing the ball to C.D. Lamb a lot. So watch out. So a competitive advantage out the window. He's telling them their game play. How can they possibly win?

I'm sorry, Erin Glynn. They're still going to throw to CD? Yeah. That's shocking. That's crazy. News and notes from around the league. Presented by progressive insurance. Okay. Let's do this again. Second time in two weeks. The Raiders have fired a coordinator, this time highest paid offensive coordinator in the league, Chip Kelly.

Whoops, Zoodles. Man. Never been a fan. Never been a fan. Didn't think this was a good hire. I have been a fan of the fantasy stuff that he has given us in the past. It did not work. You know, Pete Carroll, I don't remember how many years, 14, 17, 112 years he coached for the Seahawks.

Never once fired a coordinator in season, ever. And now he's done it twice. in two weeks. Time is ticking. Time is ticking for Pete. Yeah, Pete's like, dude, I got a win now. Oh, no, because Pete's like, I'm going to be rolling over in my bed soon. Whatever you guys do, blame that guy.

It's just not me. They're going to run out of, I'm not the one who are going to run out of coordinators. I didn't go handpicked Gino Smith and giving that extension. I hope that was Chip Kelly. I hope that they go with the language we fired Gino Smith. I hope it's not cut. I hope it's fired. The Giants also fired their defensive coordinator because when the going

gets tough, the coordinators get going. Yep. The Chiefs signs. Which is a shame because their defense played really well against a very tough offense. I know they gave up the very, and they weren't supposed to be in that game. Right. It was like he actually did a good job. You were going crazy about the field goal situation. That,

I mean, that was insane. I kind of understand. It was insane to me that they didn't kick a field goal. They were fourth and five. I mean, they were up by a field goal. So if you kick a field goal, first of all, you're playing a tough defense. The fourth and five, the chance that you get that is tough.

If you make that field goal, they can't go down and kick a field goal. They have to go all the way down and score a touchdown. Your odds of getting the fourth and five seem sub-50%. Your odds of getting the field goal seem 92%, 98%. It blew my mind that they didn't kick the field goal. And had they kicked the field goal because that team barely made it to get a field goal, barely. And so if they had kicked the field goal, they win that game, period. So that's not the defensive coordinator.

Yeah, you can't say that because obviously they wouldn't have been trying to barely get to a field goal line. I'm still, I'm fine with it. Well, because you complete the pass, you win the game. The game's over with the completed pass. Exactly. Damien Pierce signed by the Chiefs. Texans let him go last week.

Okay. And Joe Mixon, unsurprisingly, not expected to play this year. Dude, what a weird, weird situation. It was weird because of the ambiguity. That's what I mean. If you just came out and said he has a season ending injury in August. Does he? That'd have been helpful.

Yeah. And then once it was repulsed. I think it was Rappaport that reported like, okay, Joe Mixon's done for the season. Joe Mixon quote tweets that and says, you know more about me than I know about me. And the answer is, yes, you do. Yes, it really was. It was like, no, no, no, Joe, I don't think they're talking to you. They're talking to Rapaport.

Aaron Rogers is expected to start in week 13. He did not start this past week. Mason Rudolph took over. Maybe. I couldn't tell if that was Mason or not. Oh, the. Because of the guy. It could have been anybody.

Higgins. This was the one prize picks I missed. T. Higgins if he comes down with that one play, we're good. Or if he just doesn't get concussed, because they threw it a lot after that point. You probably would have. Concussion protocol for T. Higgins. He landed all of his body weight on his face.

Yeah, that's not good. That was a brutal one. Joe Burrow, they're not declaring that he will play on Thursday night. I don't think it's a given that he plays on Thursday either. They've got a window here that allows them one more week of practice reps and getting out there. I mean, do you rush him back if they, let's say they come out and they lose this week. Do you even bring him back at all? That's why I'm saying, that's why you have to play him.

Yeah, that's the weird part. Your season is super toast if he doesn't play on Thursday. I mean, if you followed the movement of the lines last week, the expectations. The books certainly thought Joe Burrow was going to play last week. This is a do or die against Baltimore, right? Or wait, what is the Thursday game? This is competitive advantage. Yeah, it's Baltimore.

At its finest. Man, they're three and eight. They're not making the playoffs of Joe Burrow comes back this week. They're not. Like, you should not bring Joe Burrow back this year. That's the truth. Yeah, we don't know the specifics of the injury. Well, sure, if he wants to play football.

I think he does. I'm sure he does. So Baker Mayfield sprained his left shoulder will undergo an MRI on Monday. My initial worry was when I saw the sling and stuff, I was worried he had, you know. Collarblown. Did you say collarblown? Yes, I did. I guess that works.

Which also works. Yeah, no. The whole deuce is alley's like, what is happening? Concern from Matthew Betts, our injury expert, is a left shoulder subluxation. Oh, good. Give that one a go, Jay. It's a subluxation. Thank you.

Partial dislocation. Same injury back when he was in Cleveland. it was the left shoulder. So, you know, Teddy Bridgewater, the backup. Things were bad for the, you know, for a Bucca. They weren't good before he left. That Rams defense. I really do think the Rams are one of the elite teams

because you look at the Eagles, that defense is as good, if not better than every, you know, team out there. But they're often struggles. And when I look at the Rams, I'm like, Okay, that defense is ferocious. Their defensive line, their secondary, they don't really have a weakness. Their offense can go up and put up 30 points if they need to.

Alvin Camara, MCL sprain. Probably be a couple of weeks. It didn't look like it was long term. It wasn't like, you know, a full tear, but he's not going to play this week. The Raiders Ashton Genti injured his left ankle late in the game, did not return, unclear if it was due to the scoreboard. It looked. Maybe he was escorting out there offensive coordinator.

Yeah, I figured when he went off the field that exactly what happened would happen, which is just like the game's out of hand. Don't put him back in, but we won't have any idea if this was truly an injury that will keep him gone for multiple weeks or not. Other three players left and came back. Matt Kaff with the ankle, Rashi Rice of the hamstring, and Jacoby were set with the shoulder, which will monitor. But they came back.

so that was news and note sponsored by progressive insurance quote today at progressive dot com progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and third party insurers not available in all states or situations coverage subject to policy terms limits and conditions this week's fantasy stud muffins presented by lows well this is the win in Winston it wasn't the team it was the fantasy production the number one score on the week at the quarterback position was jamis Winston slash wide receiver James Winston. It's also the coolest

that was the coolest play of the year. He had two of the coolest plays. But yes, you're talking about the reception where he catches the ball. And it's not like the Philly Special and all the usually when a quarterback catches the touchdown, they're in the end zone. Yeah, it's just they're wide open. Or they're wide open.

Yeah. I mean, and the fact that was it, O'Shefsky, or who was it? Olavski? Gunner O'Shefsky. He wasn't there? Gunnar O'Shefsky? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, but yeah, but yeah. He was the one throwing the ball, but it wasn't, like, chill.

Like, he had to run through the line of scrimmage and throw on the run, and then he broke the tackle, and he ends up with 31-50 points. I mean, can that, is that DB allowed back in work? I know, James Winston just mocked you and put you into the ground. Are you allowed back in the building? Do you care about the fantasy production from Winston here, or do you expect Dart to be back? I mean, Winston was wild and crazy Winston as always. DART's going to be back, so it's pretty irrelevant.

I mean, if you have DART on your roster and you want a roster, James Winston just in case, great. I don't think that if you don't have DART, he's probably not playing. However, James did come out after the game and say, based on that play, that he is completely open and willing to play tight end for this team to help them win. Did he really say that? Oh, of course he said that. He's like, I can go out there, catch paths. I'll do anything to help this team win. Do you guys remember back in the day?

When James was participating in the running back drills, and he had to run through the, it was, you got to look it up again. I don't remember. I remember. Only James can look that ridiculous running through those. There's all the running backs running through those, that little gauntlet thing where you just kind of hit the pads on both sides. And then James set the back line. And he goes and he runs through and that thing beats the crap out of him. He's like, oh, man. It's so funny. Well, that's what he did that. And then he's like, man, I got to get in the weight room. Yeah. Jalen Hertz was number two on the week with Dak. at number three. So that battle gave you two of the best fantasy

quarterbacks. And then shout out to Cam Ward. First finish inside the top 15. Yeah, man. Put together some drives. It looked good. 28 for 42, 256 and 1. You got to remember he's playing without Ridley, without Ayo Manor. Chimray D.K. has two touchdowns in this game. Gunner Helm had a productive fantasy day. And you know, for Dynasty, nasty boy, you know, keep your eye on Gunner Helm. I liked him coming into the draft. It wasn't just wasn't just him you want to go real nasty boy i think the reason that uh cam ward i'm watching

you're watching it it's bunny right james's going through the gauntlet we got to tweet that out falcon get get that out it's twice as bad as i remember it i mean this guy in front of him just go straight through like what you normally like it's like they're made of paper retweet this immediately balling back and forth almost falls over it's so good we love you james oh man But so far, Cam Ward is 100% good games with his college leading wide receiver, Xavier Restrepo. Well, look, it's good to see. He's there. Yes, you need, you got to see.

He's their future. Just please show us something. So we don't go into next year going, oh, gosh, it's just a wasted year. He also ran for 37 yards and a touchdown. He ran a lot more, especially like early on in the game. He was using his legs in a way that he hasn't really done enough of. And I was thrilled to see it. Matthew Stafford keeps it cooking

and he could have done so much more in this game if the game was competitive. It just wasn't at all. I mean, most of his work was done in the first half. He had all three touchdowns in the first half. He's a 31 points in the first half for the Rams. Quarterback five and fancy points per game on the season.

25 touchdowns, zero interceptions in the last eight games. That's freaking Devante Adams, man. Pretty. Goal line wide receiver. Wild. Yeah. Caleb Williams, Jacoby Brousette also put up good weeks.

Quarterbacks with six straight QB1 performances in 2025 include Jacobi Brissette. That's it. Dog. I mean, he is. I told Jason as we were watching the games this weekend, I might have said it that even before,

I think that there's a really legitimate chance that Jacoby Bressett's the starting quarterback next year for the Cardinals. And I don't think that's the worst thing in the world because he's turned Michael Wilson into a superstar. You want Kirk Cousins over him this offseason? No. No. You want Joe Flacco?

No. If it's not, like if the team is truly done with the Kyler Murray situation, you're not going to, yeah, you can't just turn around and be like, oh, hey, you're up. You're now our quarterback. He's 32. So it does make sense, at least for a year. They could draft sellers or they could draft somebody else in the draft and give them time behind Brissette, who people bring in Brissette to be the role model for the next man up already. That was like why he ends up on half of these teams. It's not working very much for Kyler. And the team, well, no, no, because that was limited. Jacobi's new. Oh, okay.

The ship had sailed. Okay, okay. All right? But Jacoby has been really, really good for Arizona. He's turned Michael Wilson. He's the only receiver with 10 catches at 100 yards and back-to-back games of anybody this year other than Puka. That's what he's done. And there's no, the last two games, he doesn't even have Harrison.

So, look, I'm not saying he brings wins to Arizona. I'm saying he brings fantasy consistency to Tray McBride. likely Harrison. Just a watchable offense. That's all we're asking for. Our bar is very low and Jacoby Berset is doing it. We can watch that offense. I'll watch that.

That's football. That is football. Yeah, that's a good point. We'll take a break. We'll talk running backs. Jimmy or Gibbs is good. 49.9 fantasy points. Emmanuel Wilson number two, Derek Henry.

Ashty Jentee James Cook How does Emmanuel Wilson's performance make you feel, Jason? It makes me feel not good because I had Josh Jacobs I'm probably going to go 0 and 2 this week unless Brock Purdy goes off

and Josh Jacobs is in my little IR spot. I couldn't help but feel like when Devante Adams was scoring last night I knew exactly the implications for you in our league because that was you know, you're rooting for some other teams. Yep. Yep. I'm rooting for other teams to win and lose, not just in my matchup, but this wasn't a great week for me.

It's not great. I put up 135 in Dynasty against Mike, and I will probably lose with the third most points. That's fun. I mean, the worst part of the week, by bar none for me, was Jameson Williams's disappearing act. That was the most depressing thing ever. He had this huge cross-examination.

route for 40-something yards, it got called back. If you want to know why he didn't catch any passes, you might want to look to the 12 targets and 11 for 45 that Gibbs added on top of his two breakaway touchdowns. If you get bonuses for big plays, he's really good at that. I mean...

219 rushing yards with two breakaway touchdowns is enough completely and then to add 11 receptions is, that's not fair. There's only one other running back ever with a 200-yard hard rushing game and 10 catches in a game.

Is that Ledanyan? Ms. Tomlinson. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I miss him. He was a cheat code. Yeah. So, Emmanuel Wilson was 28 for 107 and 2.

Derek Henry, I got some video from boots on the ground of Vermont. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I retweeted it before the day. Yeah. And you knew what that meant. Yep. Ashton Genty ends up 17 for 50, but the big deal here, eight targets, 8 for 58 and 1. Offensive coordinator change, so we'll see how that factors in.

But it is nice the fact that since the buy week, five targets, five targets, eight targets, eight targets. That's what you want to see for fantasy goodness with Gentie, especially if he's on a not great offense. He can't just be the ball carrier. He needs to be involved in the receiving game. I mean, that's a 93 reception pace over the last four weeks. And Judkins in the same game had two touchdowns. He went out hurt, didn't he? Did he?

Judkins, yeah, Judkins did miss some time. I mean, you had, you know, I was the only person on the planet that started Dylan Samson in a lineup. Oh. Congratulations. I knew that sweet screen pass touchdown was coming from Shadour. But James Cook, Travis E.T.N. Great again.

And then Cream Hunt, 30 carries for 104. 30. That reminds me of an old school. That's a Cedric Benson line right there. That, I mean, An Andy Reed, an Andy Reed team, a dude with 30 carries. And of course they won. Yeah.

Of course they won. That was so. The cold, yeah, they won. The Colts also lost. Yes, I would agree with that. We knew it was coming way too soon. Indy played the Cardinals not lose offense. Yeah.

And then they lost. Yeah. Kenny Gainwell, 10 for 92, six targets. He had a, he had basically two touchdowns called. They did. So impressive by Gainwell, even with Jalen Warren. He did out snap and out target Warren. Yeah, I think Warren had zero.

Also going back to Judkins, I forgot. Shadour just came off the field for those plays. Yeah, it was wild. They just direct snap to Judkins on them. Chase Brown, 19 for 107. Most. Looks like the hater aid over there from the deucers in their price picks lineup didn't work out. Did not work.

Also, how did you get out of? We were wondering this. You got out of building a lineup, so you literally couldn't be shamed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you missed the show. I was shamed because I missed the show. You get out of the potential. Yeah, we thought that was a little.

To be fair, to your situation. Like maybe you should go down with the news. I gave months notice. No, no, no, that's fine. I'm just saying why. Not a 30 minutes late. Oh, I'm not going to make it. Forget my.

Forget my situation. He's punching back. How did you get out of even the potential? Like, usually we. sublit a line up. Did the deusers lose? Yeah. Yeah. We all won. What are we talking about here? Yeah. Goodness gracious. We were scared for a little while. That's fine.

Oh. Um, well, so Chase Brown, I believe that's the most rushing yards against the Patriots all year. Yeah, it was good. We'll see who their quarterback is next week. Chase Brown, it's weird, man. Chase Brown was just he was toast. He was absolutely toast. And then as soon as Flacco got in there, he's been awesome. Are you scared about having

Burrow? Joe Burrow. JSN is so good Oh my gosh She's on pace for 2,029 yards Which no wide receivers ever hit 2,000 yards before He was 8 for 167 and 2 He set 11 plus fantasy points in every single game It's wild

There's only been four to ever do that Or three other ones, Adams, Antonio Brown Michael Thomas This is just He has not had a game Outside the top 10 Not like a decent Like top 10 wide receiver on the week

Since week four yeah it's he's accounted for 47% of the yards for the team in the receiving game it well i mean it's like it's amazing waldron saw this guy and was like nah you know what screen passes everything close to line scrimmage that's what we got to do with this he doesn't got it this guy doesn't got what we need freaking insane jason a moment i think for you to focus upon this next name wandale yeah i think you you spent four weeks not saying his name. Yeah, look, so Wondale, I was saying this while we were watching.

14 targets, 9 for 156 and 1. And used down the field. It's very similar to the JSN thing where it's like obviously they had the change at head coach. And so we've got a new kind of offensive system happening here in New York. And it's wonderful

because usually what they do with Wondale Robinson who is not a tackle breaker, but it's very good at getting open. So they have them get open behind the line of scrimmage, throw him the ball, and then get tackled. It's like use him down the field, and they did 14 targets, 9 for 156 and 1.

James was just. There are two games this year where he's a top five receiver, Wondale, and both of them 17 plus yards per catch. You got to remember the previous four weeks, 9, 11, and 11 targets. So you're like, awesome. Wide receiver 32, 32, 48.

Yeah. So this was a big difference. Obviously, this is a James Winston game, so hopefully they can see some of this. There was also, Darius Slayton came out, caught the first pass, tweaked his hamstring was out for a lot of the game. He did come back later in the game. We were so confused.

Yeah, it was really, it was like why. Slayton missed most of the game, so that was somewhat helpful. I mean, do you buy into Wondale next week, Jackson Dart back? Are you plugging them in your lineup like the same way that, you know? I mean, I think Wondell's definitely, he's in the same tier as like starting in Alec Pierce. Which is not bad. You're going to have, I mean, the targets are crazy. So if you can give me a guaranteed nine targets, which seems like you'll get.

You should usually start that player. Alman Ross St. Brown was awesome. George Pickens, incredible. He's tied with Puka for number two. Fancy points per game. Yeah. It's wild. He is on pace for a bag of cash.

I projected him out over the season, and it was a bag of cash. He has over a thousand yards already. Wide receiver, filthy rich. On the year. On the year. on pace for 1,600 yards, 12 touchdowns, and unlike his usual, like, you know, that's on 79 catches, on pace for 103 receptions. Just because he totally can do that.

Just manimal place, too. It's on a regular basis. It's great. Here he is. A.J. Brown, 10 targets, 8 for 1, 10, and 1. Had another one that he couldn't get the foot down. It would have been a second touchdown. There you are.

There you are, Peter. DJ Moore Devante Adams Rashi Rice all big weeks and let's shout out Michael Wilson while we can 15 more targets 10 for 118

What? Yeah, again we talked about it And then Parker Washington 5 for 71 and 1 Another great game from here. We are in year 3 of Michael Wilson and they've never once tried to do this

If Michael Wilson's dad was as loud as Marvin Harrison maybe we would have heard from him. So this is pretty wild, guys. So last year, 2004, Michael Wilson finished the year with 71 targets for 47 receptions, 548 yards. This year currently has 71 targets, 47 receptions for 534 yards. That's wild. How did you wrap it up?

How does this possibly happen? Jacoby percent and Marvin Harrison being gone. And I wouldn't. really fully sit him down just because Harrison comes back. No, I think he's going to be in contention for some of these matchups for a flex play. He very well might be, but he's not

he will move to the third target because obviously McBride and Harrison will be one and two. All right, we have top five tight-in scores of the week. Jason, your start of the week was the number one tight-in on the week. Seven for one, fifteen and one. Hunter Henry. We watched this

game with just it was just like Hooper Henry. Henry. I was on the one prize picks projection that I missed was the Diggs fantasy score. And I kept waiting for them to throw, I don't know, to any wide receiver. I mean, the Bengals are so bad at guarding tight ends. They're just like, oh, I'll just keep throwing it to the tight ends. That's easy. It's wild. Henry was awesome. Colston Loveland was my start of the week. You know, so our start of the weeks were one and two?

Yes, there you go. Four for 49 and one. Tray McBride was third. Colby Parkinson. who, you know, it's not Ferguson, it's Parkinson, taken over in Los Angeles. And then Britain Strange back from injury, 5 for 93, something to pay attention to. And a friend of the show, J.J. Zacharison tweeted out that this was Loveland's highest route participation since Colquemette has been back. And I hate that. I am so upset about what I saw because Luther Burden was very involved. Luther Burden also being getting more involved. The offense looks great. They're winning games. I know why you're up. I know why you're so happy for the Bears fans. Yeah. For this is a Roma Dunesay. But Roma Dunesay. Yeah, this is a Jason traded for Rome two weeks ago. It feels bad. Did you, do you know who our starts of the week were at running back, Mike? Please tell me. In honor of you being gone, our starts of the week were Trayvion Henderson and Kenneth Walker, your dudes. Both top 20 backs this week. They were? Yeah. Also, was it just me who thought Henderson scored on that one play and they should have challenged it? I was, I was watching from a, uh,

It was debatable. I was at, like, you know, I'm at a, like a sports bar. That wasn't the Jennings goal line carry? That was something else? No, there was one where Hendo looked like he got in. It was on one of their 20 goal line plays that they still never scored on. Against the Bengals. Yeah, what also?

I got, I told you, I can't control what Vrabel does. He does weird stuff. There's a lot of Jennings on the goal line. Then Ramandre's back. It's going to be a little bumpy. All the first opportunities were Henderson. Henderson didn't get in. Then they're like, okay, let's try Ramandre.

Remander doesn't get it. Okay, let's try Jennings. Why can't we beat the fagels on the wheel? Henderson does it. How about that? Yeah, all right. We'll move on to Duds. Poopped in his big boy pants.

We need to have a conversation. Yeah. Because we watched Lamar Jackson this weekend. 13 for 23 for 153. Second straight week with what, like 10, 11 yards rushing. But they had like 80 yards against the Jets in the first half or so. They were down to the Jets for a long time, but we were talking about it. Lamar does not look the same.

He's been on the injury report, missing practices. He's hurt. There are so many plays where you watch him and you're like, oh, that's a Lamar play. Why didn't he take it? Why didn't he run? Why didn't he go? Why didn't he take the outside? There was one specific we were watching where he had the first down on the outside and he cut it up for no reason.

It was clear to me he didn't think he had the speed. to get to the outside. The last four weeks rushing 5 for 14, 9 for 36, 4 for 10, 7 for 11. That directly translates to his quarterback 15, 29, and 23 finishes. He has one passing touchdown in the last three weeks. He has not surpassed

200 yards. And now you get I mean, you got Cincinnati this Thursday, then you get Pittsburgh, then you get Cincinnati again, and then you finish your fantasy playoffs with New England and Green Bay. That seems a little bit frightening. You're just going, I mean, the truth is,

healthy, Lamar. You're going to end up riding Lamar, and he's either going to get healthy or you're going to be bounced, right? Yeah. I mean, there's no alternative? I would not I mean, I can't imagine. There's no Jacoby Brissette alternative? So Jacoby Verset is the name. I saw that question. Multiple weeks, that question. Yeah,

the Jacobi Brisset is the name where maybe with Lamar's injuries, you picked someone else up. Maybe if it was, you know, a couple weeks ago, maybe you got Jackson Dart and you're rolling those two guys on a roster. You know, some weeks you're going to But you just said, I mean, two of the next three weeks he plays Cincinnati.

You're not going to not play Lamar in either of those games. So I really do think in the end, it's like you're just holding your breath and you're hoping he gets healthy and gets back to doing Lamar things. For the first time in his career, no touchdowns of any kind in back-to-back weeks for Lamar. That's crazy. And the Ravens have won five in a row. So there you go. Josh Allen, you know, we saw it.

Houston seems to be his kryptonite. Jordan Love. I think Houston's everybody's kryptonite. They haven't given up a QB1 performance all year. Yeah, that's wild. Jordan Love, 14 for 21 against Minnesota for just 139 yards. That's not good. And we're hoping that we get Jaden Reed back because his practice window opened up.

I don't know if we reported that here on the show. Jaden Reed's practice window. He is out there practicing. Oh, boy. Yeah. Oh. Hey. One good quarter.

JJ McCarthy 12 for 19 for 87 passing out guys I'm getting concerned I think you were getting concerned when you traded JJ away last week. Yeah Not McCarthy, Justin Jefferson

I mean I think he's bad I mean like you want to Everyone everyone the devil's advocate's going to be six games six games. Yes. You want to give quarterbacks especially more than six

games before you make a final definitive decision on. Does that guy have it? Can he be a franchise quarterback? Can he be a starter? But as of right now, this is tragically, this, it's not just well, man, it's not going well.

This is tragically bad. Yeah, and you don't want to see the comparisons. Oh, man. Tell the Jamarcus Russell comparison. First six career games. You want me to go line by line?

Well, or do you want me to talk about him being? Jamarcus Russell has more yards. Yeah, Anthony Amico tweeted this arrow. Fewer interceptions, a better completion percentage, a much better passer rate, took fewer sacks. Pretty much across the board is better than J.J. McCarthy's first six years. I mean, McCarthy's thrown three times the interceptions of Jamarcus Russell. McCarthy now ranks 851 out of 852.

in EPA per dropback among passers. Only Jamarcus is worse. You need to, again, it's six games, and this is Green Bay. And that'll be the excuse because Jalen Hertz looked terrible against Green Bay. But, ooh, I mean, this is unacceptably bad. Anthony Richardson last year threw for 57% completion percentage. And that was like so bad. You just can't do that in the NFL and be an NFL quarterback.

That's so much better than what J.J. McCarthy is throwing four so far. It's compounded and again last week it was I'm sorry Raiders fans and you all got on board and agreed. This week it's going to be I'm sorry Vikings fans because you're at the basement of your division. You're going to stay there for now. I mean

a huge win by Chicago, Detroit's great, Green Bay is better than you. They proved it. But the problem is that it's compounded by letting Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold walk out of your locker room. Yeah. And it also just validates

like there was a panic attack happening and I feel like it permeated from some beat reporters and people in Minnesota through a game, through two games. It was like, uh-oh. Like is Max Brosmer going to get opportunities?

Two games into your career, you wondered. McCarthy didn't come back quickly from injury, remember? It was like, oh, it had a little Tray Lance feel to it. It's like, oh, let's put a literally broken Carson Wince onto the field and not a healthy McCarthy

because we've got to work under footwork and we got to get things going before we get him out there. He looks like a guy who has an NFL caliber arm. Like if he was just in a backyard and he's throwing a football, he'd be like, oh, okay, that guy's, that guy, he must be an NFL

quarterback. But then he gets in the pocket and they take the snap and he has no idea what to do. If you were to hire one coach to fix him, it would be Kevin O'Connell and he's not fixing him. Kevin O'Connell has gotten workable performances from guys like Josh Dobbs.

Nick Mullins. Yep. There's more. There's a laundry list of quarterbacks where you're just like that guys who. Not Kell and Monde, but. Yeah, and it, I mean, we got to change this guy's number. This is, I completely agree. He can't be nine anymore.

You have to forcibly remove his number. Double zero. That's fine. I think that's probably bad mental. Give him 11, 11 or something. The problem is that McCarthy in his own right, that's the whole discussion. And then for our show and for the fantasy community, I mean, I saw all the Addison and the JJ.

I mean, like, Justin Jefferson's been deleted from the earth. We have seen this with Hall of Fame, wide receivers in the past. Larry Fitzgerald, Larry Fitzgerald, went into quarterback purgatory in Arizona. Remind me. What was his stinking name? Skelton? John Skelton? There was Skelton.

And then Anderson, the guy for. from Cleveland. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can delete a player. Last year, going into the season, I was down. I was down on Justin Jefferson because of we have seen this many times in the past. Even first ballot hall of famers, when they don't have a quarterback, they can't be a top five fantasy wide receiver. It wasn't like Larry forgot how to play. Obviously, later in his career, he got a better quarterback in Carson Palmer or in Kurt Warner. And he was fantastic. It turns out that the issue is still quarterback, and Sam Donald was actually good.

It wasn't that he overcame Sam Donald last year or lifted Sam Donald up completely by himself. Sam Donald's a pretty good quarterback. Calvin Johnson in 2009 was held to like 900 yards and five touchdowns. He had Orlovsky and Drew Stanton at quarterback. We've seen this happen before. We had sub-thousand-yard years from Andre Johnson because he had Ryan Mallet in Case Keenham at quarterback. We talked about Larry Fitzgerald.

We've had that-Hopkins, too. Remember Hopkins had that one year where it was like, oh, is DeAndre Hopkins not good? Steve Smith, Hall of Famer, 550 yards with Jimmy Cawson. That's where you're at right now. Yeah. So are you afraid for Dynasty? I mean, we were putting the dynasty wide receivers in order yesterday, and we're going, okay, yeah, Jamar Chase, I think he belongs at the tippy top.

But how, J.S.N. J.S.N. JJ. One of them's got a quarterback. Oh, I would take JASN over Jefferson for sure. Yeah, and then do you, Amun Ra? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I would take Amman Ra over Jefferson. The Vikings will have a chance to do something, but, I mean, your options are going to be very, very limited. Letting Arnold go is wild. This is going to be so disgusting. But at the same time, not letting Donald go after the complete collapse at the end of the year,

if you had held on to him, people would have lost their minds too. I'm going to be so stinking upset when Kyler is a Viking next year and is great. I'm going to be like, why? This is what happens, though, when you spend the draft capital that you did on J.J. McCarthy. Because you felt handcuffed. Okay. If McCarthy doesn't exist, Daniel Jones is the starter of this team. Yes, you let Donald go if you're mad about the playoffs,

even though they were 14 or 2 in the regular season or whatever, 14 and 3, then Daniel Jones is your next man up because he goes and he's the starter in Indianapolis, but you can't do that because you can't pay him because you've got the, oh my gosh, the cheap rookie contract for McCarthy. Yeah, I believe Jones chose to leave. Like, I think the, if I remember. Of course you chose to leave because you were getting a backup contract to play behind McCarthy. It was, where do you?

you think you can end up being the starter for Minnesota? He chose wisely, although he would have also chosen wisely. Right? I mean. Yes, he would. It was Richardson or McCarthy. If Daniel Jones were the backup, he would have been starting. As soon as McCarthy got hurt, Daniel Jones would have had the job.

And he never would have given a back. Correct. Yeah. All right. We'll take a break. We'll talk running back, Duds. Big name at the top. Oh, no.

This is very... I mean, Jonathan Taylor. This is 100% appropriate. I mean, you can't... He has the biggest pants. Yes. So 16 for 50s. Yeah, you know the clown pants where they got the hoop?

You can fit two people in him. Yeah, that's... DJ Giddens climbs in the pants with him. I'm in there. I'm in there, buddy. I'm in... You're in Taylor's pants, huh? Yeah.

They're full of dude who it's not nice in here. I mean, he was the running back 24 so far this week. I knew you're going to say that. That doesn't appropriate. That's why I had to set it all up with how big his pants are. You get to play Houston next week. That's not great. It's not great.

But, I mean, he's Jonathan Taylor. So just, just Seattle, San Francisco, and Jacksonville in the playoffs. We talked about how difficult his schedule was down the stretch. And we said, well, you know what? It's not, it just doesn't matter. I mean, he also can be the running back one against a decent run defense two weeks ago. So, yeah, I think you just got to keep playing him. Sequin Barclay, 10 for 22 against Dallas.

He did catch seven passes. His runs were 2, negative 1, 2, 7, 2, 1, 1, 5, 1, 2. Maybe Dallas's front 7 is what they're trying to build. Kenny Clark and Quinn and Williams next to each other, it's stopping the run. That's what they wanted to do. Look, I would never give Jerry Jones any credit other than for looking ancient.

but their defense is better like we kind of talked about it last week I thought about playing them against the Raiders it was a bad start to the game but then they got it together they literally the defense won the game for them when you get down 21 nothing and you don't give up another point

and Quinnon did because he got banged up it sounds like he's saying he will play yeah he got a he took a pretty big shot to the ribs I believe that was Sequin yeah I've always wondered that with like you saw Scataboo doing this

when you do the little Oh, I'm going to give a chip block. Just freaking spear the guy in the ribs. I know it's a little dirty. A little dirty, but this is a violent game. You're playing to put the other guy on their back. Kairn Williams, 12 for 46. This was a disappointment in a game that got, you know.

It's weird. Put away quickly. You would think he would have had more production. John Tucker, 12 for 42, a letdown from your expectations and hopes, but it was that game again. And the Rams. defense is very, very difficult to run on. DeAndre Swift, who played fewer snaps than Menangai, also didn't score, and also was 8 for 15. Yeah, this was super... And fumble.

Yeah, and then Manungi got more snaps too. Super interesting. What's going on with the bears is they are taking their youth and putting them forward more and more. I mean, this was a week where they... Yeah, with Burden and Loveland. Burden, Loveland, and Monongai all kind of usurped their previous roles while starters are healthy and it worked and they won. Keyes and Comette and Swift not so much. So I'm very

like binoculars on the Bears right now next week to see does this continue? Does this you know is this going to stretch towards the playoffs with them getting more youth involved? It's interesting. Man you've got to be excited as a bear's How many weeks in a row has Mongei scored? Is it four? It's at least three.

I think it's three straight. Okay. Jason, where are you with the invisibility cloak tossed upon David Montgomery? Yeah, I don't think you were here yet. I was talking about it this morning with the guys. Like, I can't start David Montgomery anymore. Jemir Gibbs is too good for them to take them off the field. I think that their offense took a step back. And so to take a step forward requires Jemir Gibbs.

They're like, okay, all right, we were going to try. to save them up, but you ask for this. And now Jemir Gibbs is just taking so much work and it works. And my only hope is you know, something that gives wins the lottery and he's

not playing football. No. Yeah, that he wins the lottery and says I'm going to take the rest of the season off. No. No, I wouldn't. It's on the wrong plane and ends up in the wrong city for a week. David Montgomery is is a league winning insurance option and that's it.

Is he? Oh, absolutely. If Gibbs went down and Monty was the whole shebang there, he would be, he wouldn't do what Gibbs did last year when Monty went down. Yeah, he'd be an unexpected running back one added to a roster. Which, again, Mike, I appreciate you not letting him speak of that. Trayvion was 18 for 66. What, like, this isn't pooped.

What is Brooks? He had 65. I guess when you, in that matchup, in that match of that momentum, yeah, I get that 20, it's fine. Why does Ramondra have two carries inside the five? What are we doing? No, no, I will not allow you to be upset at that because the, if you want to, the answer of why he got those carries is because Henderson didn't get in the end zone when he got the opportunity. Henderson was one carry inside the five. And he got three yards.

I think some of them might have got called back because he was down there. Some of them are ahead. some of them were innings. No, Dravion Henderson had the one carry I was talking about where I thought he scored, pushed two guys out of the way, almost scores, gets three yards, and we're giving Ramandre two carries for nothingness.

It's just so dumb. He's bigger. Yeah. Yeah. And that always works. Wide receivers, these are bad, bad, bad conversations. I mean, these are not small names. Justin Jefferson, Emeka, Abuka,

Roman Dunesay Jameson Willie Youngs Hello darkness What? Hello darkness my old friend Everything about that game Against the Giants told me

that Jameson Williams was going to be involved They were down And then suddenly in the middle of the game I turned to Jason I was like do they Do they trust him for a comeback? Because they trusted Amin Ra a whole lot

Yeah No So and Abuka What is he going to be the rest of the year If we missed some weeks with Baker Not great I mean, the Rams are awesome. Teddy went to him, but it really is a matter of. I think Teddy will be fine and Ibuka will be fine in light matchups, but against the Rams, that was just too much for Teddy two gloves. Emeka Abuka has no weeks between wide receiver 8 and 24. He's either top seven. Your first or your last. Or you are like a disappearing act.

What's crazy is you look at his last five games and four of five have been duds. and yet he hasn't had fewer than eight targets in any of them. No, and he's still leading all rookies in yards and in touchdowns. And despite the struggles and now Godwin's back. I really am... He has more yards than Tet?

He did as of the pre... He did last night when they're reporting it on the game. And Tet hasn't played yet. Who is that? Oh, Tetaroa. Terry, sorry, Mr. McMillan. Sorry, Mr. McMillan for shortening your name. Let's see. It's really...

This is a McMillan because the reason he doesn't like it is because he feels like he's disrespecting his mama. Yeah, I mean, what is your opinion of that situation? If you have a name, if you're born with a name that can be shortened. I feel like you should have to accept all possible variants without offense. That's my opinion on everybody. You might not prefer it. But yeah, like if I call, you know, Jeremy chair, like, and you don't like that, deal with it. Like when I used to call Adrian Peterson, sometimes I would call.

I'm AP. Yeah. I know his nickname was AD. Right. Like, come on, but you see how I got there, right? Those are initials. And you hate, do you hate Jair? No, I don't hate it. Oh, okay. I like Jay better. You like Jay better? That's my nickname. That's my nickname. Yeah. I hate when people call you Jay. Oh, you do? Yeah, because I do that sometimes. No, I know you do. And I look up every time because it's like, Jay is. Oh, because you're just, you're like, that should be about me. Yes. And he's Jeremy. Like if Mike wanted to be called Michael But somebody called him Mike How dare you

He can't be offended You can tell me you prefer it Yeah because I mean Michael is That's about his basic of it No that one Tedroa is actually like That's a cool name I don't want to be called Drew Right

I don't like that Oh Is that one sound Is that one legit? I'm just remembering My brother-in-law His name is Randall Uh-huh

If you call him Randy Oh. He loses his mind. Does he really? That's a different name though. No, no. Randall, Randy? I mean, come on.

Okay. You see how we got there? You see how we got there? I mean, so he doesn't like Randy. No. No, no, no. Well, you know, there you go.

What do you call Jameson Williams? I know. Yeah. And you know what's going to happen. He's going to go off against Green Bay on Thanksgiving. He's going to do something big. Against Green Bay on Thanksgiving. I don't know, man.

It's one play. He's a one-play guy. Save it for Dallas. It's so overwhelmingly frustrated. I told Jason, I don't care about my matchups this week. I don't care that my starts of the week did well. I don't care that anything I said was good or bad. All I care about is the fact that this dude who had just put together four out of five great weeks,

who was my guy at the beginning of the year is, don't goose. That's what I kept saying from the first quarter, just don't goose. Then he has a big play. And we're like, yes. He had a couple. He had a play. It's like, okay, no goose. Call back.

Then later, huge play, monstrous play. Call back. It's like, ah, not his week. I don't want to go past Romadunzee because I don't know what to do with them, and I need your two expertise on this. Roma Dunes A in the first month of the season was incredible. I mean, he looked like he was going to be a top five wide receiver. He was on pace for 21 touchdowns and 1,200 yards.

Since that by week, he has had two good games and five bad games. I haven't looked at this, this log in a while. Last seven games, he's all the pace for 867 yards and two touchdowns. Yeah, one touchdown since the buy in seven games. The first month was, I mean, he was running way too hot. You can't be putting up 37 yards, 62 yards, 69 yards, and put up a touchdown in each of those games. That's too hot.

It's like a Buka at the beginning of the year. Too hot for expectation. Yeah. And the- So then the answer is what? The answer is you'd rather have Romadunze? Like, should I be starting Michael Pittman over Rome every week? Oh, generically speaking?

It's a real question. It's a real question because this is Chris Olave, Roma Dunesay, and Michael Pittman. Those are, I've got to start two of those three every week. And I thought Rome was locked in. Yeah, my heart wants to tell you to just keep going to Rome because he's obviously got the talent to give you those big games. On the road against Philly, on the road against Green Bay, at home against Cleveland, at home against Green Bay. Oh, no. No, I didn't look at his schedule before.

No, I didn't look at his schedule. was the wide receiver 10 he was a second year breakout i just went and got my guy oh man then i tried to trade you for him and you could have gotten jameson yeah well that would have been the most me and you trade ever yeah because jameson on fire and this week i give him to you any goosees yeah it alec pierce won for 26 that was a dud game you could kind of see it coming against kansas i actually played slayton over him so i did nothing for myself uh christian watson in five for 49. Okay, Romeo Duds here,

just two for 23 and Diggs, two for 20. Kelsey Goddert, Kyle Pitts, Kyle Pitts, two catches. Kelsey had a touchdown. See how stupid playing him is? Yeah, I mean, in a game where I played him, I picked him up and I played him, I played him over Mark Andrews,

which, I mean, one for nine versus two for 25. But they both stung. Did Andrews drop that touchdown or did the DB knock it out? Jason called her to drop when he watched Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he dropped it. I thought live that it was knocked out and then the other angle was like, no, that was

just dropped. It's weird to think that a game involving, you know, this is the Lamar story, right? Like, Mark Andrews one catch, Isaiah likely one catch. So the tight ends didn't do anything, but also the receivers didn't do anything. But also Lamar didn't do anything. Yep. So that was Studs and Duds presented by Lowe's.

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