Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Week 12 Studs & Duds + Wild Weekend Reactions! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/25

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

Week 12 fantasy football recap on today’s podcast! Andy, Mike, and Jason discuss the best and worst fantasy performances from Week 12. Plus, a deep dive review of rookie QBs so far this season, and Monday Punday! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for November 25th, 2024. (00:00) - Intro (03:50) - Monday Punday (07:15) - Ready to Roll (20:00) - NFL News  (29:20) - Fantasy Football Studs (51:30) - Fantasy Football Duds Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Ready to Roll presented by Nissan. Visit https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/crossovers-suvs/pathfinder/rock-creek-edition.html News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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different programs and policies apply. Details at Fizz.ca. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. The fantasy footballers podcast Monday November 25th. It's Megalodon week. We're happy to be with you. You know sometimes a weekend is a break and sometimes coming to work is the break and I feel like I'm getting the weekend of my weekend right now. Oh really? Like this is the break from what was supposed to be a weekend. I was just very very... Yeah you...

I had a lot of dad responsibilities this weekend and I feel like this is our chance to kind of... we haven't seen each other. No, this was a rare situation where the three of us this weekend did not watch any football together. We usually are the three of us in the studio with our giant TV wall trying to take in every snap of every game at the same time and. Reacting together and melt. Yeah. But yeah, Mike was traveling, you were at home,

I was in the studio and so now it's like, we get here this morning and it's like, we gotta hit record because all we wanna do is talk about all the things that happened this weekend and like, what did you think of this? What did you think of that? And you just got here, so we had to hit record. Right, yeah.

I was coming in a little hot. But a lot of the kids are on break. Yeah, are your kids on break right now. But a lot of football. The kids are on break? Yeah, are your kids on break right now? My kids are not on break yet. Not either. It was the morning workout. No, I know. Some kids are getting the whole Thanksgiving week off, but not

Are your kids off? Yeah. Oh, man. They didn't do this for me when I was a kid. They didn't do it for me either. This is a new one. But what are you going to do? Yeah, no, I mean.

I slept till 7 a.m. Yeah, you were here though. Still dropped them off at school. They just don't have any. But we have a lot of football to talk about. I think I selected some of the worst puns I've ever selected. Okay.

For Monday pun day. So good luck on those ones. And we have a lot of studs and duds to talk about. We got a pretty neat, ready to roll segment today, breaking down some of the rookie quarterbacks. And I just, you know, I'm just thankful the foot clenched here, listening in, tuning in, getting ready for one more game in which, you know, tonight the horror bowl and I need some help. I need Lamar and Zay Flowers to outscore Mark Andrews by 30. Okay, so that's doable. But you're in it. That's not like there is no, I think,

perceived expectation of who wins and loses that. To me I'm just gonna count Lamar as 30 points and it'll be Zay Flowers versus Andrews heads up. That's why I'm looking at it. So we'll see what happens tonight. I'd rather be on the Zay Flowers side. Yeah, and what I am rooting for is, and I apologize, but I'm rooting for a defensive slugfest with very few fantasy points scored.

I got league medians that I'm not... I've got no one else left to score and right now I'm in it but if other... I just need everybody to suck today. Like the cardinals. Oh man. Man. All right, here are your Monday Punday reactions. Thank you for submitting these gems. We didn't write these. I'll kick it off, cause I played him, baby! What do we got? Amir? ABDULALA! Oh, you're supposed to accentuate the Ooh-la-la.

Maybe you should have kicked it off. Yeah, I should have. Let's go with Cortland Strutten. And I guess we're going this way. Nico Ballin. Jalen what all the heck was that all about oh happy Thanksgiving yeah he was good and we've got Saquon gnarly napalm barkley I like that one Noah great wait who played him? No, no, it was still good. Okay, that's Noah gray, right? Yeah

Okay, and yay McBride or Josh Tracobs. Oh, but they're not all good. No, no Kyler worried and Cade rotten. Oh, no. Oh broke bowers. Oh, that's good. Ty weak ill Shamla porta Do do Samuel Oh, man. Oh, what a loser. Sham Laporta. God, hold on. Dudu Samuel. How has that never been? That's a layup. Dudu Samuel, that's great.

Joe Nothing Taylor. Yeah, and DK Met Crap. Oh, this is the first time he's ever been on this list. Probably. Christian McCappery or McCrappery? McCrappery. McCrappery. Joe Misson. missing and I'm on blah st. Brown What a weekend Amon Ra?

CMC Joe Jackson and Taylor all in the duds list You know who wasn't in the duds list who I had the privilege of facing this week because you know fantasy football Keenan freaking Allen. Dude. Oh, yeah. I saw him on the opponent's team thrilled.

Dude. There were some. His first touch, he fumbles. There were some players this week that were basically not just drop candidates. They were dropped. They were recommended. Like, you know, I'll take my L. I mean,

Michael Pittman. Get rid of him. He's a bum. He's the third on the target picking order. No, he's awesome. He's great with Anthony Richardson. He's going to be fantastic. Keenan Allen. There were so many players that were like... I mean, Jalen Waddle who have just been so horrifically bad and now all of a sudden, this was their week. This is their time to shine. Which I guess, when you're dealing with a bunch of bye weeks, that's great because a lot of these players actually were in lineups due to bye weeks, but it was this weekend man was Jordan Addison. Yes.

He just like- With Jefferson absolutely horrible for fantasy. This is why if you make the playoffs, you can win the championship. Mike's 18 and four, because we play with median in our dynasty league, his 18 and 14 faced a one and 21 team this week and got blown out. Yes.

Yeah, that's how this week felt. This week felt like the top players were Jordan Addison, Jaylen Waddle, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, David Moore, Jacoby Myers. Those just felt like the best players to start this week. And of course they were. I feel like Bucky Irving didn't get any credit in the Monday Punday, but frankly nobody could come up with something valuable there. There was a Bucky serving and I was trying to tie it into Thanksgiving, but we didn't valuable there. There was a Bucky serving, and I was trying to tie it into Thanksgiving, but we didn't get there.

Nah. Nah. Welcome to Ready to Roll, presented by Nissan. It's almost like you can't predict what's going to happen in the NFL. Not perfectly. Not 100%, yeah. No, you just have to stack the odds in your favor each and every week. And find a way to make it fun in the meantime, in the process.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what this show's about. I mean, one in 12, one in 10, they win the title. And we want you to enjoy the season. All right, end of ready to roll and we picked this week to take a look at the rookie quarterbacks that are performing at a very high level this year and maybe put them into a historical context because in week 12, three of the top six fantasy quarterbacks happened to be rookies. Jaden Daniels who threw a what was it 86 yards? Something like that.

Touchdown to end the nearly in the game until the extra point was missed was the number one quarterback. Caleb Williams number three on the missed. Was the number one quarterback Caleb Williams? Number three on the week? By the way, that was, I had forgotten, that was the almost upset. Ah! That's as almost as you get overtime lost to Minnesota. And then Bo Nix at number six on the week,

which I think kind of felt like a disappointment. It really did. You know, to be honest, all three of these players were a disappointment through a large portion of the game this week, where it was like the end of, specifically the Daniels and Caleb Williams games, the end of those two games were absolutely bonkers insane. And so many fantasy points came when you just thought everything was gone, everything was out of reach, even to the point of

the game should be over but defensive players are scoring touchdowns instead of going down so your player gets to get back on the field and throw. And just wild. But yes, historically we looked at basically 32 quarterbacks that have started 12 games because we're 12 weeks in. Slight exceptions, Josh Allen had 11 starts as rookie or Caleb Williams has already has by week so he's only had 11. But for the most part that's what this data is.

Yeah, 32 rookie quarterbacks dating back to 2008 in fantasy points per game Right now Jaden Daniels is sitting at sixth But maybe more interesting Bo Nicks sitting at tenth That's how great out of those 32 quarterbacks dating back that 32 rookies dating back to 2008 Jaden is behind Cam Newton, RG3, Herbert in 2020, Stroud last year, and Kyler Murray. He's actually tied with Kyler Murray at 19.9. Bo Nix is sitting at 18.4 though,

and I think even just showing, like that's a point and a half gap between what Bo Nix is doing this year and Jaden Daniels who started so hot that I think... And Bo was the opposite. I mean, in the first month of the season in a four-point passing touchdown, you know, he was under... he was 11 points or fewer in three of the first four games and then... Since week five, Bo is the quarterback three in fantasy. The quarterback three since that first month of his season.

It's unbelievable. And they're starting to lean on Marvin Mimsmore, Jason. I don't know if you saw that. Big key to success for Bo Nicks. I don't believe it. I refuse to accept it, and I wanna focus on Sean Payton saying really good things about Troy Franklin. Because it was a season high for Targets. Oh boy.

All the way up to five. Did he catch them? He caught three of them. Oh that's it? I thought he had like four. Okay. He had two carries. So six, tenth and fourteenth. Caleb Williams is sitting 14 of 32 so for all of the kind of shade thrown on Caleb Williams that's still a you. So for all of the kind of shade thrown on Caleb Williams, that's still a, you know, that's above the halfway point for all the rookie quarterbacks that we looked at. Passing yards per game, they're all middle of the pack right now

in terms of the context of rookie performances. They're not putting up huge yardage numbers, 17th, 18th, and 20th. But completion percentage, Jaden Daniels is number two since 2008 among all rookie quarterbacks 68.4% behind only Mack Jones superstar rookie that was such a good rookie year for Mack Jones they went to the playoffs right maybe that's your like that's your like I hope that's not Bo Nicks right a

hundred percent yeah I mean this is not a guarantee of future success, but there's certainly huge optimism here for most of this rookie class. And we've talked about Caleb Williams specifically. I feel like we've seen enough to believe he will be a franchise quarterback, as opposed to what we saw from Bryce Young in his rookie year. But the name we haven't really talked hardly at all about is Drake May.

And sure what we actually think because in the first game or two, it was like I liked a lot of what I saw, but I feel like I'm pretty disappointed in. I think he's doing the best he can do with what he's got. Honestly, I think he's doing the best he can do with what he's got. Honestly, I think he's actually not that bad. He's got a 65.5% completion percentage, which is above Bonix, which is above Caleb Williams. He's not in the sample when we looked at those three guys. He's literally surrounded by booty. He is literally surrounded.

He's literally surrounded by booty. Like when booty is your top. It's good to be back you can you can leave now I mean you just we might might be showed up and you can leave No, I'm you know when your top target is booty. You're not gonna put up big numbers Man, yeah, but but yeah, I mean I think Drake mays fine. I do I think I Don't view him. I think him and Caleb Williams are actually performing at a similar level right now, not the Bonix level.

Yeah, I mean, look, the other three guys, like Cortland Sutton, he has never come through, I think, for what we had hoped he was gonna be when he entered the league. I think it was a second round pick. But it was like, no, he's a good player. Of course, the Bears have their weapons, and then Cherry McLauren. So it's like, Drake May compared to these other guys

is just, he's got half the cards. Hey, I didn't notice any Anthony Richardson in the completion percentage area of the rookie stats. Is he not? He doesn't register. Kyle, do you know where he registers? I don't think he has 11 starts. Oh, you're probably right.

It's also. He's more of a rookie Yeah, then really really rookies hundred percent the the Richardson game is so weird this week. You're saying yes It was weird 11 for 28 39 percent of his pass is completed 172 yards but There was a it wasn't that bad There was a full drop touchdown like we're talking a slant route hit, what was it, Ogletree? It was Ogletree.

Hit him right in the hands for a touchdown. Ugly tree. And then Harditz had tweeted out, there was like, he had 70 passing yards called back on penalties. The freaking penalties, oh my, we're back. They still scored six points. It wasn't as bad as the box score, for sure.

And he had some yards on the ground. But yeah, any chance I have to take a shot. I will say that there were missed opportunities and his game was slightly better than what the box score says. But also the box score says it was horrific and it was a little better than that. It was still bad. There were plenty of plays out there

Because what I was focused on for Anthony Richardson was consistency and accuracy Like because he had it the previous game like is is this what's developing and that was? 100% not there what you saw in this game was still a couple a couple of incredible throws and a couple just absurdly ridiculous. Like, whoops! Like, is it raining in that dome? Why is the ball coming out of your hand like that? I think it's also worth at this point highlighting because this will transfer over to next year. People, we're talking about 32 rookie quarterbacks since 2008.

It's like, this is not normal what is happening. And especially for Terry McLaurin being a top tier fantasy player, they're Courtland Sutton. They're weapons doing what they're doing. Don't let that lull you into a false sense of confidence next year when we're drafting rookie quarterbacks top wide receivers right right although we are we are seeing it's not impossible well yeah we just probability is still very low yeah I think it is low but I think it is

changing because perhaps we'll need to do like a slightly more you you know, we've seen it at the tight end position a little bit from the rookies. I think we're seeing slightly more, a higher probability is there over time. I mean, I think people are gonna win championships with Bo Nix and Jaden Daniels this year. Like Bo Nix has the eighth easiest schedule the rest of the way,'re letting him throw it around.

He's playing great football. And Jaden Daniels, he's got some matchups in the playoffs if he can get through Philly in week 16, which, you know, when you have rushing baseline, you can get through a game like that. I think championships are going to be one on the back of two rookie quarterbacks. I really do.

The rushing yards is a huge one. Jaden's averaging 46 yards a game. Bo Nix is at 25 and Caleb's at 30. Like this is, that is a huge deal. And the only reason I say that I think it might be changing a little bit is just because, you know, last year CJ Stroud points per game was the fourth highest of that stretch.

You had Herbert in 2020 and now you've got these guys this year. It's always gonna depend on the situation you're in and the offense you're in. I mean, there are players right now that, Caleb Williams was doomed to die until they made this change at offensive coordinator. The last two weeks he's looked better.

Did Caleb Williams just like hook into the matrix and upgrade his software? I mean, it was a change in the offense. And a kind of a perfect situation for him to have to chuck it. Yeah. And so and Sean Payton is doing great stuff with Bo Nicks, whereas Drake may has booty right now. Yeah. And no offensive line. Yeah. So I'm just thrilled that

we have this draft class because it wasn't long ago that we thought there was an incredible draft class that had Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson and Trey Lance and Justin Fields and you know it was like Mac Jones was in that one. I mean you were like this is the future of the NFL. How many touchdowns does Sutton have on the year, and how many touchdowns does McLaurin have on the year so far? I don't know those off the top of my head. You can look them up.

But I know that both wide receivers are top 10. That is crazy right now. Sutton is at, Sutton only has five. And where's McLaurin? Let me look that up. His name is Terry. McLaurin is at seven. You're at His name is Terry McLaurin. Yeah I'll talk over your search. Seven. Because we were talking about the one piece, because I did an article on

rookie quarterback performances before the year when we looked at Stroud and the one thing that we saw was that generally speaking they did not raise the bar unless they had a Hall of Famer. Like they could not get their wide receivers to those top performances or to double digit touchdowns. That's what we had seen historically among rookie quarterbacks. Yeah, if they had Reggie Wayne or Steve Smith. Keenan Allen, yeah, Adam Thieland was one,

ironically, the year before. This is certainly breaking that mold, because I think Terry McLaurin and Coraline Sutton are good wide receivers, but they are not that caliber. And number one overall, Picks was generally a much higher bar than the other ones. But yeah, this is an outlier year to Mike's point of not overreacting.

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See the owner's manual for important safety information. Well rarely a week goes by where we don't have news on Brian Robinson Jr. getting banged up. He injured his right ankle in the first quarter, returned, and then was ruled out in the second half. Him returning just visually, again, I'm not a doctor, not if sure people understand that about my background. That you're not a doctor?

Yeah, the way I speak, sometimes it gets confusing. But that tackle was a, uh-oh, Brian Robinson is in big, big trouble. His season was over. I mean, when that tackle happened, and it looked like it was- Was it a hip drop? It sort of looked like it, yeah.

The player did kind of come down on it and bent him back, but I don't think it was specifically a hip drop style at the beginning of the tackle. Yeah. However, it was bent back over. You worried about the knee as well, because you couldn't really tell. That's hip drop. If the foot was...

I'm watching it right now. Yeah. You couldn't really tell where the foot was, so you thought, man, he could completely destroy his knee on a tackle like that. You could break your fibula This is what this is exactly what happened to Joe mix and when he got hip dropped and then came tried to come back in That same game right then got ruled out then Joe mix and miss what four weeks three three weeks So I mean you we've not had a lot to say about running backs on waiver day Because well in Austin Eckler he's probably rostered

Austin Eckler at the very very very end of the game had a brutal brutal concussion he's getting the concussion protocol for a second time this year correct so he will not play this week Jeremy McNichols yeah now we have a name yeah yeah McNichols has been pretty good in his opportunities so I did not see the Eckler con. Josh Downs left the second half with a shoulder injury from for the Colts that's a bummer. David Montgomery left the second half with a shoulder injury. They said he could have returned and Dan Campbell said when asked about Monte there are bigger fish

to fry. They could give him a week. I mean, they could give him time because they are nine in one. He was very, Dan Campbell, we'll see how he talks during the week. And it's their Thanksgiving, right? So they're in a game here in just a couple days. Yeah, that's true. I would, I'll just guess that Montgomery will sit. He'll be fine. Well, I don't have Montgomery on any team. He'll be fine Well, I don't have Montgomery. He'll be fine Michael. So I will guess that he will say he's totally okay Not a doctor Jason. I'm not not yet, but

I think he's absolutely fine. You clearly gonna play you imagine if Jason was a doctor But he was treating the fantasy players Clearly gonna play you imagine Jason was a doctor, but he was treating the fantasy players He was treating these players and they're a little bit of a conflict of interest I'm being honest really a little bit if I like if they're on your team, you might give them different medical reports Yeah, or if they're on my phone. Yeah, it's like the QB is getting the concussion check. Yeah You're like that guy. I don't think he's OK. He's good to go. I'd pump him full of steroids and alert anonymously the league and be like, you got to test that, dude.

Oh, he's out. Who's got the backup? Oh, I already have him. Yeah, baby. I don't know if we're in jeopardy of getting a medical license any time soon. Chemical warfare and fantasy football? You got to do what you got to do.

Just juicing some guy's coffee. Yeah, I mean it's helping them make them stronger. Romeo Dobbs left with a concussion. They play on Thanksgiving too. You might as well rule them out now. Gardner Minshew out for the year with a fractured clavicle. Thank you Gardner.

Antonio Pierce said Aiden O'Connell could be activated off of IR as soon as Friday. Which is their game. They play yeah the Chiefs on Friday. This is actually as someone who has the Chiefs defense is devastating news. I was fully hoping I'd get the Chiefs against Desmond Ritter. I don't know that you're really scared about Aiden O'Connell either. I would not be. Aiden O'Connell. You've ever seen Desmond Ritter though? I've seen Aiden O'Connell. Yeah I'm thrilled no matter. Aiden O'Connell. You ever seen Desmond Ritter though? I've seen Aiden O'Connell. Yeah, I'm thrilled no matter. Aiden O'Connell only has two picks in his four starts. That's not the numbers I'm looking for. I want three picks per game. I know Ritter can do that. On the flip side though, for people not just playing the Kansas City Chiefs, I mean Brock Bowers takes a hit, Jacobi Meyers, like this is a real shame that Gardner Mentschou is out

because for, you know, he's not a superstar quarterback, but he can- He's competency. He's competency, yes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, my Amir Abdullah. Your dear Amir Abdullah-la. Dutavey and Sanders left yesterday's game

with a neck injury, Panthers rookie tied in. Oh, that one was scary. Still being evaluated, yeah, that one was scary. And then Lad McConkey, still questionable for tonight with a shoulder injury. We don't need to get into Rogers news. I think you at least have needed to.

Okay. Yes. The news that is spreading is that Aaron Rogers doesn't want to play for the Jets anymore well it's it's really it's all likely it's likely that they could play some on IR or bench him because he's he's had a bunch of injuries and refused to get scans on injuries because and the Jets are I mean they're cleaning house already like coach gone GM gone, GM gone. So you've got to at least pay attention to this.

That'll kill Garrett Wilson. That'll kill Devontae Adams. But it will. It's Tyrod, right? Yeah, Tyrod Taylor. So in his own right, though, if you're in a 2QB league, right now is the time. This waiver week tomorrow, let's pick him up and it was also

reported I think it was Racini saying that Rogers wants to play next year just not for the Jets like how hmm like like you can't bring all your dudes over there and then leave them oh he can yeah I mean if there is a villain left right now in the NFL it it's Aaron Rodgers. I don't think he'll go out like this, that's the thing. I don't think he will just, like if they bench him and put him on IR, I don't think he's not playing ever again and this is the ending for him.

It's gonna take. He's owed $23 million. It's gonna take a strong team to take him on. Yeah, or a really bad team it might take a bad bad team, I mean like Carolina the The parallel here, no dude Bryce Young's That game against the Chiefs for Bryce Young was pretty well played fantastic

Like he's played really really really well since the benching. But I was saying, the parallels of Rogers and the Brett Favre journey, they continue to be hilarious. But the issues with- Oh, Minnesota? Yeah, the issues with Favre. Well, that's already being rumored, too. Yeah, well, I mean, they won't-

Because if McCarthy just had a second clean up on his knee- Yeah, McCarthy's injury is looking longer term. Darnold probably has played himself into one of those Baker-type contracts for a team. So they're going to need somebody. But I'm saying the issues with Favre were he just kept saying he was going to quit. Or just over each, it was like five years in a row,

I'm going to retire. Did retire. Yeah, it was just to skip training camp. It wasn't the, yes, he didn't want to do training camp. It wasn't training camp. It wasn't the yeah yes he didn't want to do training camp. It wasn't this stuff with Rogers. This is a much bigger PR hit to take on. I like. Favre was likable. Favre was. I like even though it was annoying I like I liked the Favre news. You're forgetting how it was. By comparison to Aaron Rogers. I mean Aaron Rogers needed to die a hero.

You know the line, you either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain. He's 100% villain. It was awful. The Brett Favre saga of will he or won't he retire was exhausting. I remember it was exhausting but I do remember that after it finally ended, I wanted him back. Well, part of his bonus, he came back and he played awesome for Minnesota. He was really good. Like, Rogers has not come back and been awesome.

No, no, he. Winning is, winning gears a lot of stuff. Well, I think you were not here when we were talking about it, Mike, but like, Devonte Adams, like, Rogers Super Bowl predated Adams arriving in Green Bay. Like Adams never won a Super Bowl with Rogers. It was 2008 that Rogers won a Super Bowl,

which is now 16 years ago. Like the luster. There's no place that Aaron Rogers can go and win. There's none. They, Yeah, I don't think so. They had a great defense. He was given all the weapons.

He's got Breece Hall, Garry Wilson, Devontae Adams. They did everything to help him win. He's not good enough. He's too... I mean, it's done. It's over and I don't think an NFL team gives him a job next year. All right, that was today's News and Notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at usaa.com slash insurance. We'll take a quick break and get back into or jump into the studs. This week's fantasy stud muffins. Well we already talked about Jaden Daniels. He was number one on the week.

Mahomes was number two. Tuatunga-Vaioloa number three. Caleb Williams number four. And Sam Darnold on the back of Jordan Addison coming in at number five studs at the quarterback position. I think Mahomes is an interesting conversation point because he spent a year and a half being irrelevant,

not scoring 20 fantasy points pretty much ever in fantasy football. And as soon as we moved away from him about a month ago he has been... We call that waddling when you when you waddle back into relevance. Three of the last four weeks he's been a quarterback one, twice the quarterback four on the week, barring two night. So and with good performances. And look it's a couple of factors. One, he has Hopkins, he's got Worthy, he's got Juju back, he's got Noah Gray, can't be stopped, has Travis Kelsey, he's got some players and will soon have Pacheco. The other part is that the Chiefs defense just isn't that good. It's good but it's

not that good. Like statistically speaking, they're really good against running backs, but they are giving up points. The Panthers pushed them to the brink, and fantasy-wise they're not scoring a lot of points. I think both of those factors. Mahomes is having to do a little bit more of the running game without Pacheco. You know, I don't know if that'll change things, but yeah. I mean these games are all close. Every Chiefs game is close. Next week is Vegas, then the Chargers for Patrick Mahomes.

Let's all be hopeful. Let's all be hopeful that we can get the high flying Kansas City Chiefs back. Tuah threw four touchdown passes. He threw for 317 yards. And he still couldn't get Devon H. and 25 receiving yards. What is wrong with you?

24? Well he's too busy throwing 144 yards to my dude Jalen Waddle. Well I mean John New Smith has been just a revelation. I think John New Smith is the new Tyree Kill, right? Like the number one target for this team The the one that to a looks for John who's been so involved and I mean nine for 87 and a touchdown And that's pretty cool

Tyreek is What is going on? Well? We can't talk about that in the studs. We have to keep that there's another segment Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, and it's about poop All right, so that's right where he fits in it, okay What a weird game for Baker Mayfield because he threw for 294 yards. He had a rushing touchdown He did not throw a passing touchdown as the you know a guy contending for that league lead. It was such a Weird game. So this is if you weren't watching it actively, they are blowing out, I mean they're just destroying the Giants and they have two drives in a row where basically what happened, and we couldn't understand, my co-manager in the

League of Record, this is our quarterback, so we're watching intently and we're like, oh they're up by a ton, they're not going to throw. And instead, they never ran the ball. They had drives in a row where they're up like 30 points. It was like a 90 yard drive, and I'm pretty sure 89 of the yards were all passing, and then they get on the goal line, and then rushing touchdown, I'm like, stop it!

There were four players on the Buccaneers that had rushing touchdowns. It was Baker, it was Tucker, it was Irving, and it was Rashad White. So I was like. And they tried to give Tucker the second rushing touchdown. He was on the goal line, so he vultured the first one. Seems like that's what they're gonna be doing, man.

And then the next time down, they gave him another one, but he fumbled on the goal line, and they lost the ball. But Baker, he played outstanding. I mean, he has just been so good this year. I think you stick with him. And I would put him in that same category along with Bo Nix and Jayden Daniels League winners that you might not have expected to be at the beginning of the season. We'll talk about his running back here in a second because the running back studs this week number one

Saquon Barkley who went just insane. I mean he has he's now entered the MVP chat at running back. He has more yards in the last two games than I think three or four NFL teams. Jacksonville for example. 26 for 200 and two rushing touchdowns and another 47 through the air. He was number one on the week. In the last two games he is on pace for 17-game pace of 3,400 rushing yards. Yeah, it's been wild. Josh Jacobs, three touchdowns, finished number two on the week. Baker's guy, who I've been trying to convince Al Borland is a great player. Bucky Irving number three on the week 12 for 87 and 1. What I love about Bucky Irving and this is coming from somebody who didn't think Irving would

be able to completely unseat Rashad White because of how great White is in the passing game. Well Irving's great in the passing game too. Mm-hmm. And you know Mike was very quick to say hey watch out for Bucky Irving in the passing game. Well, Irving's great in the passing game too. And Mike was very quick to say, hey, watch out for Bucky Irving in the preseason. Irving always gets the extra yard. When he is running, he runs with a ferocity like a James Connor. He is a tackle breaker. And-

He out snapped Rashad White. I mean, Bucky Irving's fantasy output recently is it's I mean his last two starts he's number seven and number three on the week he is entering that category of but they like to depend on the run in that offense and if he keeps doing what he's doing now well and it's not even just the run like you said he's a he's a very good pass catcher. I mean, that was what he was, I feel like, more known for in college anyways.

But six for 64 through the air, in addition to the 87 hard-fought yards on the ground, he's been exceptional. Yeah, and so he's entering that category of, you know, obviously a must-star, but maybe a league winner. Jameer Gibbs, 21 for 90, two rushing touchdowns, ho hum RB3 on the year while sharing the backfield. I mean, he didn't share it as much this last game

because Montgomery did go out with that injury and just stayed on the sideline for the whole game. I don't have the snap percentage in front of me. No, but he did have his most opportunities of the year at 24. Yeah Yeah and I think that was directly because Montgomery wasn't there so if Montgomery does sit on the short week you're gonna have I mean your your your DraftKings lineups need to all have Jameer Gibbs. Tony Pollard 24 for 119 and one in the upset. Devon A. Chan.

He's so- Two touchdowns through the air and you can't get me 25 yards. You can't get me 25 yards. Him being in this studs with what, 56 yards. I mean, he was awesome. He was incredible for fantasy. It's just- You don't like multi't like no, I know I down games. I don't know. I've said it on the show many said I don't like how valuable

Touchdowns are if you have 56 rushing yards and you're a stud or 56 total yards. I'm sorry. It's it's just that's It was not a stud Lee performance Twice yeah. Yeah, I agree, but that's also what the best ones do. When they don't have a good week, they still have a good week. I want to show you, JJ tweeted out in his like, you know, the recap of Sunday Dump, Devon HN is averaging 23.2 PPR points per game in the games that Tua has started this year. Christian McCaffrey last year was 24.5 PPR points when he broke fantasy football. Like in Tua's starts, Devon Aitchin is- Yes, an elite fantasy player.

Yeah. All right, we had the Nick Chubb game, two touch hand game on Thursday night. Aaron Jones got back into the mix this week. Good performance, 22 for 106. That's who Detroit will be facing, Chicago, on Thanksgiving. Amir Abdullah, five for 37 in the touchdown. Choo-choo, baby! Choo-choo. Thank you, Amir.

He played 90% of snaps. Hey, we're, what, like, seven years too late, but that's all right. I never remember if I have to stop the train. I think I have to stop it. Yeah, I'm getting the word. It will go forever. Dave in Montgomery still scored before.

Trains can't stop. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Wait, what was that? Trains can't stop. You can. Yeah. Is that it? Yeah, that was the, that was the.

That's a free ad for our friends. It's a, it's a. Yeah. It's a free ad for our friends at NHTSA. Yeah. Is trains can't stop, you can? Correct. So stop. Means they're not wrong. Well, trains can't stop.

But I, yeah, I mean, don't test the limits. Because for a slogan to be like, trains can't stop in a reasonable amount of time, you can stop pretty quick, so you should be the one who stops. Like, that is, that doesn't, it's not catchy. Trains can't stop, you can stop pretty quick, so you should be the one who stops. Right. That doesn't get it done. No, no, it's not catchy. Trains can't stop. You can. Trains are huge.

You're little. Those were fun reads. All right, wide receiver studs this week. Jordan Addison was number one. Cortland Sutton number two. Jalen Waddle number three. DJ Moore number four. DJ Moore.

And yeah, I think in a lot of our flex discussions, I was cool flexing DJ Moore this week because the involvement, the force touches, the fact the offense looked more competent, give your good players the football. That's my number one offensive strategy. If I take over a team, that's what I'm gonna do. Wild though is. But they didn't do that though, is in terms of targets and receptions.

DJ Moore was actually identical to last week. Seven targets, seven receptions. But this time, he was the wider receiver three. Last time, he was not. Yeah, he had the touchdowns, I think, that really helped him. The way that they are using him in the screen game post Shane Waldron's firing is so exciting because he's the type of player that if you use him

the right way in the screen game, he can score touchdowns, which he did on a screen, and he can score him from, you know, the 10 yard line or the 80 yard line. Jason, we were saying it all wrong. It's stop, trains can't. They've truncated from the beginning. Oh, they got it here. We were saying it.

It's pretty brief, yeah, just stop, trains can't. It's just good advice to live by. All right, Carl and Son continues his onslaught. Yeah, 10 more targets caught, 80% of them, two touchdowns, as has been, he's the wide receiver two since week eight. He's on a heater. And Pukinokua Cooper Cup kept it going from a, just a quantity standpoint.

Every week they're getting double digit targets. JSN, he has been on fire. It is happening. Yeah. Like every single week it's happening. The last three weeks top, you know, he's been a wide receiver one for three straight weeks. He's the wide receiver seven on the season.

And I don't think, yeah, he is. With a D consistency in his life. Well, when you have a 33 point game, I mean you have like basically three games at one, you juice your numbers. Yeah. But those are his last three games. Those last three games, obviously very small sample. But that would be a 2,000 yard pace that he's on.

130 receptions, a touchdown a game. He's really elevated his play. They're just throwing so much, too. They are. Gino. Even when they shouldn't. On the course of the season, I think Gino has looked really, really good.

Yeah, and Lockett is not doing anything. He's on pace for 625 past attempts on the year, which is a lot. That'll probably lead the NFL, I would guess. And yeah, Gino has his guys. And we talked. DK Metcalf's not in this segment again. Yeah, and I think it's more Tyler Lockett.

DK Metcalf still had a couple deep bomb shots that were really close to coming through, but Lockett, it's been five, six weeks since he's had more than three receptions. But we just got that question on the dynasty, JSN or Metcalfe. Sure, yeah. And then you've got another week where Metcalfe's

outside the top 30 and JSN's in it. So, tight ends, Noah Gray for the second time in three weeks sits atop our list. Noah Gray, do we care about this? I think so. I wanna know, because it's like, sorry, for the second time in two weeks? Yeah, the last two weeks. I thought he skipped a week.

No, he just scored two touchdowns each the last two weeks. Correct. And it's hard to bank on that. He has four touchdowns on the course of the season. They're all in the last two weeks. Chasing that seems wrong. However, the way that they're using him, before the second touchdown,

I was just starting to ask the question as I'm watching this game, like, should we be actually looking at Noah Gray as someone that you can pick up and start? And then he got another touchdown. It felt very much like he is an important part of An offense that I mean if they're looking to him around the goal line. It's hurting Travis Kelsey it's one of those things where like if there are other tight ends in the category of

Touchdown or bust that you might start which it feels like Tucker Kraft is that yes Tucker Kraft is if you score you're happy and if you don't you're not If you're in that category How can no gray not be in that conversation if he's out there? I mean he played I don't know what a snap can was this week, but I think Brooks is looking that up. He was 44 snaps to 66 for Travis Kelsey Yeah, I mean he played 76 percent of snaps the week before when he had that production like if you're on the field and You're getting open and they're having to account for Kelsey. I'm not saying go get him like I don't I

Don't think I'm fighting for him or anything. But if you are desperate They did commit to him three-year 18 million dollar extension in the offseason So they're they are good at finding players to distribute the ball to. So Trey McBride 15 targets. I mean 19 points Trey McBride clearly scored at least receiving touchdown. Impossible. Wait you think that just because he got 19 fantasy points and do you also think that because he's often wide freaking open in the end zone? Is that part of why?

That's part of it, yeah. You think he caught one? There is some. Hex. Yeah, I think he is invisible when he's in the end zone. Kyler Murray cannot see him. No, I think it's the opposite. I think he appears 12 feet tall to Kyler who throws it to the 12 foot mark and it's always I mean there have

been so many wide open touchdowns if you just threw it at a normal height yeah but anyways 12 for 133 honestly this performance is annoying it's great if you have Trey McBride but it's annoying because it was just the product of ineptitude. This many targets to Trey McBride was the, it was like the last resort because we suck. It was a binky. It was literally like Kyler Murray's binky was.

Yes. Was Trey McBride. Kyler Murray's binky. And sometimes, I've never seen a more schizophrenic split personality player than Kyler Murray. You come out and he either looks like a world class quarterback, a top five guy in the NFL, carves up a good defense or a bad defense, can do no wrong, and then the next time you see him, it's like he's never played quarterback before. He has no idea what he's doing.

And it lasts the whole game. The whole game, both times. It's like you drink poison and the poison doesn't go away. He never has a game where halfway through he fixes it. No. No, I've never seen him start with a bad first half and finish strong. Let me tell you something. I am so happy I traded him in fantasy because this performance this week in a matchup that he should have been good in that they were favored or heads up in

this performance has happened four times this year and caused you to lose your fantasy weeks and then he'll bounce back and have two games in a row. I thought you were saying I'm so happy I traded Trey McBride. No no no I said I'm so happy I traded Kyler Murray okay because Kyler Murray is too volatile it's not good game great game it's bad game great game bad game great game that'll kill you in the fantasy playoffs they have a great schedule you got gotta win three matchups in most of your leagues in fantasy. You telling me you're getting three Kyler stud games in a row?

Maybe? Nah. Maybe? I mean, maybe he's been the answer of his career. Has he ever had three stud games in a row? Certainly not this year. Not this year, no. Okay, so Terry McBride was his binky, which is great that

You know, he's there. Great for McBride. Great for fantasy. John Newsmith 11 targets, 9 for 87 and a touchdown He is the number one tight end since week 7 Outrageous performance. He shouldn't be. I just feel like he hurts their offense. I really do. Since he's been more heavily involved, they've scored 27, 23, 34, and 34 points. What are you talking about?

He helps their offense so much. Okay, he hurts you and what you want Tyreek to do. Yes, Tyreek Hill is a better weapon there's that NFL feel yeah than John who's Smith What you disagree with that? Yes, you do so John who Smith is a better weapon on an NFL field than Tyreek Hill the last four weeks He has been the results have have been better for doing. I'm saying the human being on the field We don't know the severity of Tyreek Hills injury, but it's starting to show itself. I don't think he has a hand.

I think his wrist is broken off, to be honest. I mean, I just think it's a little bit hyperbolic to say he doesn't help their offense when they're scoring a million points a game. 27, 27, 23, 34, 34. Since he got on the field over 50% of snaps. I would say the opposite of what you said the last two weeks are the Raiders and the Patriots they they could have thrown to anyone Odell Beckham could have had a good game if they wanted 27 against Arizona's good defense Buffalo 27

23 against the Rams you you need go talk to Tyreek. He's the time John who is not the problem. He's the tightest one. John who is not the problem. He's the problem for Tyreek. Look, Tyreek. Targets are earned, baby. Yeah. You need to just unsay everything you just said. All right.

You are a weirdo. Just recommend John who Smith. Do that. Never. George Kittle, another touchdown. I thought he scored two. Did one get called back? That's how connected I was this weekend. I was just in the blender.

He's a six for 82 and one. I probably got the same text twice. George Kittle, man. And that was without Purdy who, as of right now, we are expecting Purdy to be back, but he's been. Oh, did it, did it, uh. George Kittle's so much worse for the offense than Debo George Kittle's amazing. He's killing Debo

He's killing Debo man It's so bad Yeah, are you are you mad at Debo? No, am I mad at Debo? I wasn't mad. I Well, I'm saying mad at the 49ers that Debo, they scored 10 points. You should be mad at Kittle because he's not mad at Tyree. No, because Kittle is awesome. Kittle is actually a great NFL tight end,

maybe the best in the league. He's behind Johnny since week seven. You should be getting those type of players the ball more often. You guys are inflating bad defenses. Oh Stop, they're scoring a million kettle has been marvelous. Yes. He has so those bad defenses though Just to be clear Tyreek can't score against them because of Johnny Smith

I want to go watch the film because I hope Johnny's jumping in front of the passing lane I hope Johnny was literally leaping up and just stealing or like grabbing it from Tyreek mid play because then I will agree with you. Hockinson back at it seven for one 14 Austin Hooper doing his best. Oh hey Austin who is Hunter Henry. No he's so good he's a target. Austin Hooper should get the ball a ton. Shut up. Hunter Henry still had eight targets. Hunter Henry had a pretty good game. Eight targets, five for 44 is like a little disappointing

but it wasn't a disappearing act. You didn't have Tyreke in your DraftKings lineup this week, did you? No, no I didn't. No, okay. I would never, I see John's involvement. The scoon man got into the end zone. You have Tyreke in your DraftKings lineup this week, did you? No, no I didn't. No, okay. All right. I would never. I see John whose involvement.

The scoon man got into the end zone. That's a nice one because we had been talking about him and it doesn't, I mean when you have a really low profile tight end, it doesn't always go the way you hope. Yeah, and only four targets. That was the most disappointing side of it, but he had a nice over the top touchdown that really saved his day. All right well we'll take a break we'll jump into some of those bad performances like Tyreek Hill. All right, let's talk poop. Pooped in his big boy pants.

Well, Kyler, we just talked about it. Didn't throw a touchdown, had one called back on penalty, had others he could have thrown, but chose to airmail Trey McBride. And he ends up with 285 yards, barely rushed, kind of seemed slow to me or the you know the edge guys in Seattle they were ferocious their defense played great in this game. I mean Arizona's defense, bad bad bad game. Arizona's defense gave up what? Like 10 points. 10 points and the card was lost. Yeah they were a double- double digit fantasy defense and lost.

Jared Goff, welcome back. Not needed. It's a shame to be here, but Goff can always end up, since he doesn't have a rushing floor if he doesn't throw touchdowns and they're all rushed in. He wasn't needed last week and he threw five. That's what was so annoying about it. Yeah, you know who needed Jared Goff this week?

Me. Yeah, so Anthony Richardson. Oh yeah I played him too. 11 for 28. This was not a good matchup it never was. This one was the worst follow-up you can have to a QB5 performance because you had to you had to play Detroit. They they're just such a good man D and that is where Anthony Richardson has struggled. He was 10 for 61 on the ground. He did fight and he did make plays and a lot of them were called back due to penalty or dropped or really close. Yep that was that was the story is just yeah but close but not good enough. The Lions defense is just really they are such a is just really, they are such a complete team.

Yeah, they. Such a complete team. They're the best team in the NFL, and I don't think it's close. Yeah. Joe Mixon, 14 for 22 on the ground after his monster performance. He was facing a Tennessee defense that's very good.

Did catch five passes, but this was his first bus game. After he had taken over cube running back one and points per game I will go out on a limb say quans got it now say quans definitely got it after this game and what take one did somebody explain Christian McCaffrey to me because Brock Purdy I really think that yes Brock Purdy just made a lot of money this week sitting out Because the deep the Packers the Packers were just would sell out to stop the run I agree with this in principle, but I want to go deeper

okay, because I've watched Christian McCaffrey play for three weeks since he's returned and Even in the purty game, both of them, I didn't feel like I saw the same player on the ground. Like Jordan Mason had a lot of success this year. Yeah. You know, he's sitting right now at 3.5 a carry through three games on the ground. You can throw out the last game, that's fine.

He's a little bit higher, he's at 3.7. But McCaffrey normally overcomes those things and he normally has a break, you know, he has a longer run. You know what I mean? His long run of the season through three games, 13 yards. So to me, that part is what- No touchdowns in three games. Yeah, that's the part that I'm more asking about is, you know, will the ceiling arrive for McCaffrey before the end of the year? This division is kind of broken. I mean, where are you putting him in rest of season rankings at running back?

I'll probably have him top five still. I think when Brock comes back as the season goes on, he'll, he has all of the work for what is usually a good offense, even if he is 90% of who he was last year. I mean, that's still probably a top five running back. But I get your fear and your concern. This is a guy who obviously has a significant injury that kept him off the field for a while. He's 28 years old. The San Francisco 49ers, they've gotta figure things out really quick. They gotta get their groove back. Yeah.

And I don't know if it's coming back. If Purdy is not healthy. Jonathan Taylor. Oh man. 11 for 35. Detroit's run defense is really tough. We knew it would probably be a bad game, but. No targets.

No targets is the real problem. No targets and no opportunities really to score touchdowns because, and again, we just discussed how good the Lions defense has been. They shut down the Colts. The Colts could do nothing all game, but it was like the way that Jonathan Taylor is used is just not that good with Anthony Richardson. He doesn't get those leakouts, the check downs, the really valuable stuff that he's still very good at, just not the way that his

quarterback plays. So I think you're going to enjoy easy matchups, soft defenses, where you expect the Colts to win in a game against Detroit. That's just that's not the recipe for success. James Connor received seven rushing attempts and had eight yards. The Cardinals, while struggling on offense, which by the way if you watch the Cardinals play football, the entirety of their success on offense this year has been predicated on giving James Connor the ball who breaks more tackles than anybody in football.

They gave him seven attempts in four quarters. Weird. He caught five passes. He had two big plays called back on penalty. It was a just disappearing act. It was so frustrating because the way you win if your Arizona is to hand the ball up and they didn't do it. Yep. Well it was rainy. You gotta throw. Yeah. Sorry. No, yeah I got it. Yeah.

Tyrone Tracy 9 for 42 fumbled for the second straight game. That's the worry. Well the also the worry just of how they were splitting up the work. There were some. If you had Jonathan Taylor, you hoped you played James Connor. If you had Tyrone Tracy, you hoped you faced Ramondre Stevenson and his eight for 13 with no catches. You also had kind of a shift.

I believe that there were your boy. Yes, Antonio Gibson out snaps Ramon Dray yeah well he was yeah Ramon it was basically not doing anything now we're getting shut out without looking I don't know if you've seen this yet Javante Williams had eight carries do you know how many yards he had I do eight carries he's got to have at least at least eight yards positive yeah you would think so what do I do you have there negative two total rushing Eight carries he's got to have at least. At least eight yards right? Positive yards. Yeah he would think so.

What did he have there Jay? Negative two total rushing yards on eight carries. It wasn't like the other two guys. Part of why I love Bo Nicks. McLaughlin and Estimay also didn't produce good numbers so they didn't run. McLaughlin was the hottest hand. Yeah but wasn't he like four for forty or something? Seven for 44.

OK. I mean, like, sure. Yards for Kerry and like, that's excellent. 744. Jason's point is like. But you can't play any of them right now. Bo Nix. Yeah, you're not going this.

What did he do on the ground? Did he run at all? Yeah. Did Bo Nix happen to? Let me get his exact. I bet he outrushed Gervonta. Oh, barely. He had five rushing yards this game,

but the nice thing is if you want to score, if you're the Broncos and you've got to score, it's not coming on the ground. The run defense, the offensive line, the actual running backs you have, they are a weakness for you, which is great news for Coraline Sutton of Bownaix. So, wide receiver receiver Justin Jefferson five

targets two for 27. He got Jordan Addison. I mean you kept seeing these. And Hawkinson too. Yeah but I mean it was over and over where and I'm guessing you got Jalen Johnston. Addison was awesome. It just looked like they switched jerseys or something like it he would you know Donald go deep they throw the ball off the screen and you're just hoping it's Justin Jefferson on the other side and then you see this incredible catch while a guy is all over him and you assume oh that had to have been Justin Jefferson and then the little itty-bitty Jordan Addison gets up

he took so much that I mean Justin, Justin Jefferson had a bad game and actually recently he's had a stretch of not great games. I mean, the last three weeks he was the wide receiver 33, the wide receiver 29, the wide receiver 60. You throw this one away. This is Jalen Johnson. He'll be back. You need to give the credit where it's due. Addison took advantage of the opportunity, but Jalen Johnson is an all-pro, followed him all over the field the entire game, and the Vikings did what they should do, which is exploit matchups elsewhere.

I mean, Hawkinson over 100, Addison nearly to 200. Normally, Jefferson can overcome a bad matchup, but they didn't need to. He'll be back. Normally, Jefferson can overcome a bad matchup, but they didn't need to. So, by the way, if you were... Somebody out there definitely has been trying to figure out, you know, Christian Watson or Jaylen Waddle, which guy do I throw in for a big game? If you chase, you lose. Because Christian Watson had no catches. No catches. He. No catches.

Shoulda had one. Oh yeah. He just had an epic drop. I mean that's his career, shoulda. Just, I'm just saying of like, it's, this wasn't, the three targets is really disappointing, but one of them was a catastrophic drop. Yeah, and Jayden Reed only three targets.

Honestly, San Francisco without Brock Purdy, they were so bad. This game was out of hand early They I mean three rushes run the football for Josh Jacobs, it was a weird game. I mean Deebo had a bad game. Joanne Jennings had a bad game Ricky Pearson had a bad game that that is part of what caused the wide receivers for Green Bay to have a bag the two quick conversations here for for what it was do do Samuel so we called them at the beginning one for 21 he was not playing as much like on he was in an 11 and then on 12 he was in 12 personnel he was seeding a lot of snaps

to to Ricky Pearsall, which is like, you should at least put your eyebrows up and pay attention to it, because it's not been great for Debo this year. And then Jayden Reed, what do we make of this, where you could go, yeah, hey, he's the wide receiver 11 on the year, and yet, it's, since the first month of the season after that

it's been like he's had some good goodish games. I think Jason's right about the way this game ended up not having to throw it a bunch but this is why I wasn't gonna put Jayden Reed into the category of oh I'm gonna panic trade CD-LAM for him because he's not consistent enough. He's not integral. He's not elite enough to, you know, go out there every week no matter what and get it done. So yeah, it was, Debo, I don't know if Debo's healthy. He was out with a calf injury early in the year. He was out there, he was injured with a wrist injury

a couple weeks ago. I think he is, he's very injury prone. I think he's playing hurt. I think he's playing angry because his team is so frustrated. They're used to dominance. Now they're near the bottom of the division. Are they last place in the division? I'm seeing a nod from the 49er fan.

Yeah. They gotta be, are they tied with the Rams? The Rams are five and five, right? Five, no. Five and six. Rams and Niners are both five and six. Okay. One game out of first.

Yeah, I mean the Seahawks went from the basement to being tied with the Cardinals and then have the tiebreaker. So tie recal, five for 48 in a game where Tua had 317 yards. Yikes. George Pickens, four for 48 on Thursday night. Snow Bowl, not a bad game. No Thursday night, snowball, not a bad game.

Just throw that away. It wasn't a bad game. What do you do with Marvin Harrison? Because Marvin Harrison Jr., you drafted him to be an every week start. He has not been that. I mean, you're going to start him every week and you're gonna be, you've gotta have him in your lineup

to have the big performances. And this one was a millimeter away from a touchdown. And you would have been totally fine with this performance. I do think you can make, I mean, do you disagree with me, that you can make different decisions with him? Yeah, I mean. You do disagree or you don't? No, no, no, I think that he is someone

that you need to take a strong look at and see what your other options are. But more often than not, I think he will end up in lineups as he should. I think he's still a top 24 play. Here's the problem though. You want volume and yards and you don't get it. You've only been happy in the games he's scored.

No, he's scored in five games, you've been happy in five games. Every other game, he has none of the, like you talk about McBride, he's scored in five games. You've been happy in five games. Every other game. He has none of the, like you talk about McBride. He has none of those games. There's never a, I mean, I'm trying to look back here. His yardage. He had 111 yards.

He had 111 yards in week eight. 130 yards in week two. Yeah, scored in both of those. He's a rookie. I mean, you're gonna. But he's averaging 49.6 yards a game. That's kind of the right That's disappointing and not PPR guy three catches five catches two catches six catches three zero two I don't know. I think like wouldn't you be find yourself in a hard place right now if you go into next week and

You just got what you got from waddle and and you got what you got from Harrison. That one. Wouldn't that be hard for you? That one I don't think would be that hard. You just go back to Harrison? Yeah, Waddle's been so bad the entire season, one game feels like chasing. But you'd play Sutton over more of Marvin Grayson. Oh, for sure.

Sutton, I mean, there are, I agree with your point. What about Jordan Addison after that one? I don't think I would go all the way to Addison there. It's like you said, with the coverage on Justin Jefferson. What about Tyree Kill? Tyree Kill is a question that? I don't think I would go all the way to Addison there. It's like you said- What about Tyree Kill? Tyree Kill is a question mark, I don't know. Is Johnny Lactive? Probably.

Then, you know- Can you please say Hall of Famer Johnny Smith when you say his name? No. I refuse. He's married, they're often so much worse. Number one in points scored. They're playing against bad defenses for what five weeks They're doing what they're supposed to do Whatever I just wanted to argue about Johnny Moore cuz it's too entertaining

Rockbauer's four for 38 to disrupt your yeah, your parlay partying. Well, unfortunately that was Partially that Gardner injury injury at the end of the game. In John-oo. But 10 targets, they only caught four of them. Kate Otten, one for 30. This one was concerning to me. Yeah, it's a bummer. This performance made me exceptionally happy I signed Asam Hill, because if the return

of Mike Evans means Kate Otten is more hit and miss, I hope that's not what it means. Are you afraid of that? Yeah, I think you are a little bit afraid of that. Three targets, one catch, 30 yards. Yeah, I mean... Last two times he's played 35 yards and 30 after the three game breakout. So I think I'm scared. I will still continue starting him.

I need to see multiple games in a row where if next- What's multiple? Two, I mean, multiple means more than one. Well, I just meant like you were gonna say of bad games? Yeah. Okay. So you don't consider the last game bad? No, I don't think so, just this one. I mean, in terms of routes, he still led the team.

Let me just ask you a quick question, pulling names out of a hat here, totally random. Cade Otten or Johnny Smith, moving forward? Cade Otten. What a liar, what a liar. You're a bad. The trade deadline's over, Jason. A bad analyst, a ban-alist.

I don't like John A. Smith. I don't? Sometimes there's principles. Is it because somewhere in there, you're thinking back to last year, where it was like, the fantasy community wanted to be Kyle Pitts, and yet John, who was the guy who kept doing stuff, and we were really, really mad at Arthur Smith for it,

and maybe it's, maybe John is just a good player. Deep scars and burns. Yeah, maybe John just gets it done wherever he goes. Maybe. Not wherever. Yeah. He's had some bad years. All right, Laporta three for 19.

What a bust of a season for Sam Laporta. The number one drafted tight end. And you know what? He's not a worst player. It's just a complete team that can run the ball whenever they want to. It has a go-to wide receiver. It has an explosive wide receiver that can play any way they want to play. They do not need to use them all the time. It's just a luxury. It is. It's crazy. he had six targets this week it just didn't turn into anything and they like last year they didn't have a consistent number two receiver and not counting the running backs but like and this year Jameson

Williams has not been like the the greatest thing or anything but he he has to he's earning targets on a weekly basis. What was Jamison's line this week? Seven targets, five for 64. So he was their leading receiver? He might have been, and Amon Ra was pretty worthless. Amon Ra was six for 60. The last three weeks since Jamison Williams has come back,

he's had five targets, six targets, seven targets. He's definitely in. Oh man. If these trends continue. Any parting words, gentlemen, before we move on to, well, tomorrow we'll have waivers and streaming quarterbacks, then we'll get into the Megalodon! Oh man. Make sure you tune in on Wednesday there. Turn it on. Yeah. Tune it in. For those that don't know, Wednesday is our Megalodon episode before the holiday, where we jam the Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday shows

all into one episode, an extra large, prehistoric-sized episode of the podcast, where you can join us. We'll be doing some exclusive giveaways. Is this the 10th year of the Megalodon? Wow! Our tenth mega. So you know we'll be we'll be excited to join you on Wednesday for that tomorrow will be waivers and Jason can spend the day with those John New Smith box scores see how that goes thanks for joining us everybody. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

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