Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Week 5 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, Old Mother Hubbard - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/3

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Oct 3, 2025. Week 5 start/sit advice for fantasy football lineups! Lots of matchups covered on today’s show with fantasy football player outlooks. Plus, injury updates, and a recap of Thursday Night Football! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Connect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Fantasy Footmullers Studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Andy Mike and Jay Griz. It's been a while since I've seen him. It has been a while. He hasn't made an appearance in quite some time. Now, does he inherit Jason's toilet trophy? Well, does a bear crap in the woods? Welcome in Friday, October 3rd. right Andy Holloway we're here we've got a show more matchups to dive into week five

Jason played the Rams DST everywhere it played him against you yeah so he he's like play him against me I'm out I wonder if he can do one thing every day to get himself tilted because there's been like what Wednesday was the neighbors trade in the middle of the show that he was very yeah uh thrown off kilter about but no no Jason today. He's quit the podcast. He's done. He said he's... He's done for today. Just for today. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but we've got a great show. We've got matchup previews, fantasy face off, which, you know, he didn't have to, he doesn't have to spend the wheel of shame. No, he could take the day off. You do. I do. I do. Man, that's a bummer.

Not a great feeling, because you went, you went three for four and... It doesn't feel the worst, right? I guess, because, yeah, like... What was the one you missed? Jordan Mason. Because that game got uh what did you have uh he was he was just yardage yeah he was short of his rushing yardage yeah the game script got out of control but but i mean between the three of us 11 of 12 on those prize picks projections for the face office yeah jason took his winnings and he just took off he took off uh you know we got a lot going on we got a thursday night football game you talked about the rams defense 49ers win it in overtime 26 to 23 that was a very fun game yeah and you got another big fantasy performance

for Matthew Stafford. Two in a row. Seriously. 389 and three. You know, Kairn had a great fantasy football day. Eight for 66 through the air. Who tweeted that out? Was that Yahoo? Touchdown. Yeah, there was a tweet. That was just... Yeah, happy guy

on one side of the bus, sad guy on the other side of the bus, and the happy guy's the Kyrin fantasy managers and the sad guy's Kyrin because he had the devastating fumble on the goal line. He had the fourth down stuff. And overtime, although we can blame Sean McVeigh for the call. Oh, I 100% do.

And he does too. He blamed himself. He knows. I mean, Puka kept doing what he always does, 10 for 85, 5 for 88 for Devante Adams. We had the Kendrick Bourne experience on the 49ers side. It wasn't to Marcus Robinson. I had

DeMarcus Robinson in the listener league. I mean, that's a 14-teamer and my team I had to find someone to play and I was like, okay, it's fine. Yeah. I And then, no, it was Kendrick Bourne. It was better sweet because if you followed the show for a length of time, I've always had a soft spot for Kendrick Bourne.

There are certain players that when they're given opportunities, they always perform. And he's just, not last week, Kendrick-Born. That's fair. He dropped that past. But he's, you know, Demarcus Robbins had a touchdown opportunity. He ended up out of bounds on it. But it was the Kendrick-Born show, the Christian McCaffrey show, per usual. still not really efficient or effective on the ground.

He's not had a, I mean, it's five weeks for them and they haven't had a breakaway run. He doesn't have that opportunity to get into the second level. The run blocking for the 49ers is horrific. Their pass blocking is actually okay, and it's always interesting to me. How can a unit of the same guys be good at pass blocking, not run blocking, but it is two different skill sets.

You see this zero rushing touchdowns in five weeks for the 40s. Well, Shanahan didn't help that when they got down to the two, and they're like, all right, second down. It's the trick played of juice. Everyone knows it's going to happen. And then throwing. Maybe he's like this McCavry guy can't get a rushing touchdown. I'm going to try something else. So, no, it was a wild game. I don't think a lot of people gave the 49ers a chance with all the injuries. No. And Matt Jones. I mean, 342 and two. And four season ending injuries in one game. Yeah, including some dry heaving. Yeah. Yeah, he got, I don't know if he got hit in the groin or in the tum-tum, but one of them was he came off and he was like, is he puking? Yeah, it was. And then you had the calf where he goes down, it does not move for minutes.

Yeah, we had debates on whether he's a dog or a cat. Yeah, my Twitter was full of it of like, is Mac Jones officially a dog? And I'm like, I think so. I don't, you don't want to totally discredit someone. Well, he's had the historical, like a lot of people would have gotten surgery for this. I didn't. Yes. Al Borland said he thinks he's an actor.

Well, the thing is when you go down like that and you're grabbing your calf, like, I mean, at first, I bet everyone watching that in the fantasy community went, oh my gosh, he tore his Achilles. And that was not the case. He gets up and he jogs off at full strength. I've got some Paul Pearson there. That's what I mean of when you take that many shots and then you just look like you're full mobile. Maybe he just is that much of a dog. I'm choosing to give him 100% credit, 0% criticism for last night because you went 70%. Okay.

He goes on the road. Oh, he's a dog for winning. He's definitely playing through injury. He's got a brace on the knees. Yes. He faces this, you know, this Rams defense that Jason's talked about a lot. I mean, clearly Jason talked about him. In a more positive sense than anybody else because he played him everywhere.

And he goes out there with a bunch of backups and wins the ballgame. So I just thought it was, you know, it's very similar to Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connell with a backup quarterback, Kyle Shanahan, forever with backup quarterbacks, they're all functional. Yeah. They all get it done. In fact, I think it didn't even, did Dobbs play for both of them at one point? Yes. Yeah.

So, I mean, it's like. That's the, that was the big question about Brock Purdy, who I think is a very good quarterback. Rather resist them or... But it's like... What does it say about Trey Lance? Oh, God. I was going to say, what does it say about Trevor Lawrence? Yeah.

That Mac Jones could have been on that Jags team. Yeah. And at least giving us fantasy value for... I know the Jags are winning, so... No, there's a good argument. But they're not helping our fantasy teams. Yeah. All right.

It's Friday. Put Clan Friday. also I just wrote the last thing of the a couple people before the game were messaging like hey why not Brian Robinson don't you think with the lack of receiving and not wanting to run McCaffrey into the ground on a short week it's like I'm not interested in Brian Robinson and 22 carries and nine targets for Christian McCaffrey just somebody asked this morning do you trade him before he breaks and I'm like I just said just ride it I mean you're right it you got your chance I mean what if you scores goodness sakes

yes all right our footclam Friday winner this week every Friday we give $100 away to fantasy champs.com for some sweet championship swag this week's winner Matthew 4-9 234 24601 congratulations Matthew on the $100 all right let's talk news notes from around the league presented by progressive insurance they did come out and say officially brock purdy had a turf toe setback in week four could miss additional games they seem in good hands with mac jones at this point as long as he's healthy i mean he's got a longer rest yes and he's going to have reinforcements the the news on ricky piercell joan jennings positive for

rubber turning week six and our hero George Kittle may be back next week yeah that's uh you gotta be excited about that I am so excited for that yep so we will uh they get some extra time off like you said Michael Pittman added to the injury report yesterday due to a hamstring injury that you-hoo that's not good officially limited or listed is limited no it's not good the Thursday injuries are

always bad news a hamstring you know who's got him but jason yeah yeah he uh when we because we we share you know in the the work chat making sure everyone's up to date on all the injuries and everything he did not respond uh no positively when when i shared that oh did he did he respond to yeah yeah i will not share his response okay yeah he's uh he's letting him fly all right we have news uh brock bowers didn't practice. After being limited on Wednesday, now he's not practicing. Also very scary. That seems, um, you know what's wild is in our chopped league, our guillotine league. Yeah. Two teams with Brock Bowers have been cut already. A bunch of money spent on him again

this week. And he's, he's just not healthy. Yeah. I said, and they're pushing him through the injury and maybe that's not the best call. I have comped Brock Bowers for that league to the ring where whoever has Brock Bowers? You better find someone to watch that video or you're in a big, big trouble. Yeah, it's not great. I'm just trying to find this Jason response. Okay, we have

Lamar Jackson not practicing and, you know, he's probably not going to play. Juan Johnson returned to a limited practice. Okay, that's good. Had a down week last week. Miles Sanders didn't practice again. Jaden Blue will make his day blue. Okay.

I don't know. Switch. It's okay. It's a Friday. Terry McCorrin has been ruled out for the commanders. We had official news. So yesterday on the show, I said Debo's back at practice. Well, he was spotted at practice, yeah.

Which I mentioned that he was back. It was Ian Rappaport. And then later on, he was officially listed as did not practice. Some people from commanders camp said he looked good, were playing on the sideline. I mean, I don't know. He's still up in the air because he didn't practice Wednesday or Thursday. Heal injury is what's listed.

Calvin Ridley not practicing. had been banged up. That's why the snap count was low. And Bucky Irving officially not expected to play. And may miss more than one week, which means Sean Tucker, Rashad White, welcome to the party. Absolutely. And then Chuba Hubbard did not practice

again. Oh my gosh. Yes. How do we not mention that? RICO Dowdell should be starting. Rico Dowdell will be a decent volume start. We'll see you know, we'll see if the other ETN can get more involved for the Carolina Panthers. But for now,

RICO should be picked up. The Hubbard injury is considered week to week. Team does not plan to put them on the IR, but it might be a two-week absence here where you get Rico Dowto as a filling. Was it old Mother Hubbard that lived in the shoe? Or is that a separate story? Who lives in the shoe?

There was an old lady. Old mother Hubbard did something with her cupboard. We can't confirm nor deny if it's the same old lady. It might be. Thank you, Al. But he jumped in. Get Kyle on it. You know, all these opportunities to jump in on the show and contribute, but nursery rhymes, he was all about it.

You had it on lock over there. I got nothing on you guys when it comes to fantasy football analysis. Nursery rhymes. I could school you. Picking your spots. Cannot confirm. Don't get me started on little Jack Horner. There could be cupboards in that shoe.

That's all I'm saying. All right, that was news and node sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third-party insurers is not available in all states are situations coverage subject to policy terms limits and conditions we just got a photo of old mother hubbard's cottage oh that is rumored to be where the rhyme and it is confirmed not a shoe it's not a shoe i don't think the shoe layout is conducive to living standard living uh i mean how high is the towbox is if it's at least you know so you're saying the toebox so

you want like seven feet that's 90 ceilings you want like a nine foot seat i will i will i Of course, I want it. I'm just saying that when you live in a shoe, there's just a lot of... There's not a lot of options. You have a second story, but it's not the entire footprint of the house. Yeah, it's very skinny.

Are there laces on the shoe houses? Well, otherwise it would be just open and exposed to the world. Oh, it's more like, okay, it's held closed. Yes. Yeah, yeah. We should stop talking. All right, into the forecast. Fantasy Forecast, presented by prize pay.

I don't know why we're talking about it. Al could probably come out with his own podcast. We had matchups yesterday, Vikings, Browns, Raiders, Colts, Giants, Saints, Cowboys, Jets, Broncos, Eagles, Dolphins, Panthers, Texans, Ravens. Covered them all yesterday. If you want to listen to yesterday's show, we'll break them down. Or we did break them down. Today we have six more matchups to cover, and then we'll get into the fantasy faceoff as well. The Tennessee Titans at 0 and 4 who have looked, I think hapless is a good word.

to describe their offense. It's not going well. They take on the Arizona Cardinals who are two and two coming off at two close losses. Vegas Line Arizona minus seven and a half, the over under. 41 and a half. So we got a couple number one overall picks here. Kyler Murray, the record after seven seasons for Kyler Murray, 38, 47, and one.

There's one season where he won more than eight games. so yeah there was one year where it looked like he could win the MVP and then he got hurt yeah they started like seven and oh that year yeah well um if you look at the entire list of quarterbacks since 2000 with a completion percentage lower than 52% and less than 10 yards per completion through the first four career starts there's one name on the list it's cam war man he's taking 17 sacks it's not been good for the tennessee offense he has really maybe if you saw the press conference with him can't repeat it

but he had strong words about how the team's playing and it's a strong word just real quick on the long term like how does this team not clear house at the end? They have to. And then now it's Cam Ward who had a bad rookie season

having to learn a brand new offense in year two may not be. What is Brian Callahan like one in 17 or something? Yeah he's and his press conferences look like it's like the presidential thing where you started with joy in your face and then you come out with a gaunt face and sadness.

Just saying it's going to be tough. It's going to be an uphill climb for Cam Ward. Yeah, it does seem that way a little bit. So I love to see him get going. But we have a matchup also of Tony Pollard and the third and fourth string Cardinal running backs. Michael Carter, Amari Demarcato. Tons of discussion about them.

Whoever you signed in free agency, you are making the case of why that player is the better player to have. To me, it's, you know, Michael Carter on early downs, and Mari DiMarcato on third downs and two-minute drill. Michael Carter profiles as the goal lineback should that opportunity. In a game like this where the Titans are 29th against opposing running backs and the Cardinals are favored by seven and a half, you would expect there to be some salting the game away time,

some running game success. If I had to choose between them for this week alone, it would be Michael Carter. I agree. That's what I would do. Is DiMarcato a flex play this week, or is he outside of that realm? Like, would you go Rico Dowdell? I would play Dowdell. Yeah, I think I'd go Dowdow over both.

Yeah. So I am curious to see how Barvin Harrison, Jr. follows up the Redemption game, where he started off looking terrible. You know, his story has always been, if he scores, you're happy. If he doesn't score, you're very sad. Yeah, but good matchup at home. I'd play him. Yeah, I think Kyler, you know, he hasn't finished in the top 15.

I think he does that this week. I have a good feeling about Kyler this week against Tennessee. The running game for Arizona, whether it's Carter or DeMarcato, not as much success as they would have had with Vincent or Connor. So I think the running game, running through the air, as we say, in the screen game, that'll benefit Kyler. On the other side, Calvin Ridley, you can't play him. Ion Manor, you really, you can't play him.

No. Unless you're desperate, desperate byweek, two flex leagues. Tony Pollard is still fine. Yeah, he is, that is the best compliment you can pay a man on an O and four team right now. He's doing his best, everybody. He really is. Which is. And we've had the targets the past couple weeks, so he's a, he's a fine start as like a fringe RB2.

All right, we get another battle of the same draft class quarterbacks here. Tampa Bay at three and one, Seattle three and one. Vegas line, Seattle minus three and a half. Overrunners 44 and a half. Mr. Sam Darnel, Mr. Baker, Mayfield. Former Panther Greats. Yeah. I mean, they probably should have

kept one of those guys. No, because we wouldn't have this. Oh, my gosh. So they asked, I think they asked Baker if he and Donald reminisce about the good old days in Carolina. He said, reminisce about what days? And then he said, no, we don't. But I mean, they should have a, should

have a shared trauma. Right. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that brought him closer together. but like, dude, this sucks. Did you see Baker came out and he said it was really personal when he beat Steve Wilkes and company in one of their matchups because Wilkes was the head coach

in Carolina or the he was the head coach, I think, when they let Baker go. Okay. And so Baker took that personally. And then Steve Wilkes came out and he said, he was an interim head coach at the time. And Steve Wilkes is like,

yeah, yeah, I heard that. And he's like, I didn't. I don't think I had any say over personnel decisions. He said, if I did, we wouldn't have traded Christian McCaffrey. And I was like, yeah, I guess that's a good point. But in this game, Baker will not have Bucky Irving, who had been so valuable in moving this offense along. They won't have Mike Evans.

Chris Godwin, it was 10 targets, three receptions, still getting his feet under him. Where are you with this offense altogether? Like Baker in particular, you know, no Bucky, no Evans. That scared me. I'll be honest, that frighten me a little bit. I didn't expect lasers. No.

The lasers would be going to Abuca and Godwin and Sean Tucker and Rashad White. So what's the vibe? I mean, vibe is just that the Bucks have, the Bucks and Baker have proven that they will overcome things. Baker is apparently just that good. Because the matchup for, like, the quarterback, Seahawks against the quarterback position, 11th right now, second against wide receivers.

It's not going to stop me. from playing Baker or Ibuka. Chris Godwin, I'm focusing on the targets. There was 10 of them. And it was his first game back. Only caught three of them. So when you look at the box score

and you're upset that you played Godwin or you're upset he's on your bench and you're like, he didn't do anything. Ten targets is pretty awesome in your first game back. They are underdogs. So it profiles to be a game where they may have to throw the football quite a bit. That's the one area of Seattle's been really good against us, the wide receiver position.

Number two, only giving up 18.5 fantasy points a game. Rashad White, let's do some start to sit with the Rashad White or Rico Dowdell. Ooh.

I'd go, I'd go Rashad. What about Woody Marks my start of the week? If it's your team, you got Woody Marks against Baltimore, they've struggled

or the platoon with White. That's really tough. I might go Woody. The hard thing to know is what will they, how will they split it up? because Rashad White has been a workhorse for this team, but it's like the Amari D. Morkado thing of,

he kind of has his role in the offense, and now we project Michael Carter to kind of step over him and take the early down role. So it's possible that that ends up being Sean Tucker. That's the fear. Tucker is not, like the question of, is he too risky? Like, I think Tucker gets work. Oh, I do too.

So I think Tucker's still a more desperate flex play, but you're in a byweek. You have no Josh Jacobs. You have no D'Andre Swift. You have no Bijon. I could see a shot there. I'd play Rico over Tucker. Ken Walker, Zach Charbonnet, the dance continues for the Seahawks. Yeah, Kenneth Walker is the upside play, and Charbs, you...

He's the downside play. Yes. Yeah, he's a basement play. you just cross your fingers and hope that he gets a touchdown. JSN is an auto-lock start, and we're just watching Cup and Horton at this point. Yeah. We'll see if Elijah O'Royo gets more opportunities in the passing game, Barner scored the touchdown last week. And, you know, Darnold's been playing well, completing 70% of his passes, not turning the ball over.

He's starting to enter the streaming conversation in certain matchups. Absolutely. Would you play Darnold over Kyla? my rankings say I wouldn't but my heart says I might do that I don't like that all right we'll take a break we'll come back with some more matchups

oh this will be pretty Detroit three and one taking on the Cincinnati Bengals in Cincinnati it's going to be pretty for my DST yeah the vague The Vegas line here, Detroit minus 10 on the road. So you're on the road, your 10-point favorite. The over-under is 49 and a half.

That gives the Lions almost 30 points, the highest implied point total of the week. The Bengals' offense is ruining fantasy football lives at this point. Yeah. Chase Higgins, Chase Brown. I mean, we haven't mentioned a tight-in's name in Cincinnati all year, nor should we. Well, Noah Fant will be back. everyone.

Oh, yeah, I'll fix it. I'm just letting you know the news. You know what? If he can block play offensive line, then sure. That could help. The Bengals have the lowest average time of possession in the entire NFL. So they,

not only are they not productive when they have the ball, they don't have the ball very much. 31st in yards per play. And, yeah, this is not, it's not going to be good. How did they get this schedule?

Well, we, uh, so rude. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, when they were two and oh, and the injury happened.

It was very easy to look at this schedule and say they're going to lose the Minnesota game, lose the Denver game, lose the Detroit game. They'll lose next week against Green Bay. They'll lose against Pittsburgh. You want to have a game at home against the Jets. That's your next chance in the week eight. But what do you do, Mike?

What do you do with Jamar Chase T. Higgins? I had somebody offer me, T. Higgins. I think we were talking yesterday. Maybe I'm interested to you. It might have been on the footcast, actually. And somebody had offered T. Higgins, in a trade and it's like the name it hits you right away is like oh it's not so bad

I ended up turning the trade down I just ended up walking away from it it was like I don't know if T. Higgins is what he if at any point this year he's going to be anything worthy of the name well Jamar Chase no no it doesn't seem that way

Jamar Chase will have his games though because he can make a play so good after the catch where like Chase is still in my lineup okay Jamar Chase or Keen or don't do this Chase, I'll play Chase. Jamar or Zay Flowers. I'll play Chase.

Jacoby. Chase. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad you went to that tier. If Lamar was healthy, that might have been a different discussion with Zay Flowers. Sure. So Chase Brown, though, at this point.

Chase Brown is somebody you keep playing, but he's not doing anything with it. Yeah, he's... Tons of opportunity. I think he is an easier play because of the position and the volume he's getting then. The wide receivers? Doubtle. I'd play over him. I'd play Dowdell. J.C.M. Jocori Crosky, Merritt. Would you play him or Chase Brown? Is that your answer or you just wanted to hit the button?

Well, you got to hit the button. You got to respect the button. Bill Crosky. Bill Crosky. I would... I'd play Chase Brown. Okay. Apparently there was discussion in the office yesterday. There was. Michael Carter or Chase Brown. What was the decision on that one?

It was a shrug. We all just shrug, man. You can't start sit decisions with the Bengals is impossible. Look at this. Look at this. Yeah, 49ers doubt. He did. It's, look, if there's a time to do it.

Yeah. It's when Mac Jones leads you to victory on Thursday night. They are. You love Mac Jones, right? Yeah. He, the 49ers are three and oh against the division. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, they are.

Speaking of schedules that worked out. They played great, though. Yeah, they did. They did play great. They're well coached. more Bengals starts at questions. All right. Jamir Gibbs playing Montgomery's Jason's start of the week. Amunrah, yep.

I would play Jameson Williams. Jameson Williams is, you don't want him on your bench when it happens. And he has, last week he had seven opportunities for a long touchdown that didn't work out. I would hold on to Jameson Williams. It's coming. I truly believe that. Sam Leporta, he's in the T.J. Hawkinson world right now.

Sam Leporta, if you need five points, no more or no less. I don't do that of him. I still believe in Sam Laporta. So, yeah, if you needed Sam LaPorta, he'd be there for you. But right now, 4.1, 5.3, 5.4. So those of you with Sam LaPorter right now, I wouldn't account on him winning your week. It's like Hunter Henry. Better than, I would play Hunter.

Kincaid. I would play Kincaid. Yep. Pitts. Obviously, he's on by this week, but that's been the start. I'd play Waller. I'd play. Oh, wow.

You'd go to Waller. Yeah. Yeah, I think Waller is, I was doing some more reading on Waller, and like it was a team instituted snap restriction. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. And he's also been limited in practice, same thing, team restricted. He has come out and said he's, he's, like, I'm ready for more if the team's ready to give it to me. So we'll see if he gets 50 plus percent of snaps or not.

Yeah, I mean, Sam LaPorter right now just doesn't offer you enough upside. That's how it feels. I agree, but the 30-point implied team total is. You want a piece of that? You want guys in there. Give me that. Yeah, I mean, it's wild because it's like, Jared Gough could legitimately have five touchdowns. And that spread around to whoever.

Jerk off could have a single touchdown and then Monty and Gibbs have two each again. That makes them the tough team. Now, you know Al Monraa will get his. That's the one thing that always happens. The commanders are two and two. They take on the three and one Los Angeles Chargers, who were upset last week by the Giants, the Vegas line. Chargers minus two and a half. The over and under is 46 and a half. So the Chargers knocked out of the realm of the unbeaten last week. What are we left with?

Philly's unbeaten, right? Four and O. Who else is undefeated? I think that's, wait, have the... Is the bills lost? The bills haven't lost, have they? Correct. Is there anybody else? Is that the only two teams? I believe so. Okay. Let's see, yeah. So we got... Buffalo and Philly. Yep. And... That's a little rare through four weeks, so not more undefeated. And we have two, wait, three? Three winless teams. Ah, Titans, Saints, and the Jets.

You got it. Yeah, yeah. Why do I know those faster than I know the winners? Welcome to fantasy football. We remember who let us down. We do. We remember the burns are more powerful than the lucky wins. Sorry, not lucky wins, skilled wins, lucky losses.

Yes. Or unlucky losses. Jaden Daniels returning in this game for the commanders. it makes the game a lot more exciting. They're only, the Chargers are only two and a half point home favorites in this one. But the injuries on the side of the commanders, they do make you feel a little uncomfortable.

No Terry McLaurin, Debo, the practice situation, we'll see. So, you know, okay, if you want a DFS shot, Chris Moore is your DFS shot there. Second-most routes run by the commanders last week, believe it or not. I do believe it. Yeah. And you'd be like, who's Chris Moore?

And it's like, I don't know. That's been the, I mean, he's, he's done this so many different places. You remember Chris Moore had those games in Houston a few weeks, a few years ago where all of a sudden it was like, wait, why is, why is that player doing something? Like he finished his wide receiver 10 in week 14 for Houston back in 2022, Mr. Necessary. Yeah, there's just, I'm not. Not messing around? No. There's like Luke McCaffrey.

Somehow, some way we have two starts of the week. from the same receiving core on the other side. Jason went with Ladd McConkey, then flood the country. Quentin Johnston was Mike's start of the week. You know, what's funny is I was so surprised when he made Ladd McConkey the start of the week. Like just, what are you doing? Right.

If you do look deeper, there is some real compelling reasoning to why he might start to have some games. I mean, the one thing we saw this morning, no receivers have faced more double coverage in Ladd-McConkey and Keenan Allen. Hello, Kewge, getting the opportunity that he's had. See, even the defenses still don't buy in. They're like, no, no, you can't do that to us.

We got two years of tape on Kuge. He can't do it. Well, the old advice on defense with Kuge was let him try to catch the ball. Exactly. But the other argument is, like, McConkey's, the targets are there. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. It's, again, Jason, Randall Moore, start of the week, Ladd-McConkey. Yeah.

Mike went with Kuge. And you have an offensive. here. Amarian Hampton. Locked and loaded top 10 back rest of season. Maybe top five. We'll see. Could happen. What's wild is the sentiment around Hampton was so negative through two weeks. He's now one of only four running backs to have 250 plus rushing yards and 100 plus receiving yards through four weeks of the season with Bijan Jacobs and Jonathan Taylor. So he's already, despite the limited work in the first couple weeks or limited success, he's in that great category. What do you do with the running backs on the other side? Oh, man.

The matchup against the number one ranked rushing defense in football for Jacori-Kroski-merit, Chris Rodriguez. That's why the start-sit question about Bill is so difficult. It was completely shared in week four. Chris Rodriguez, 20 snaps. Bill Kroski, 20 snaps. Jeremy McNichols, 19 snaps. I can tell you what I'm doing. Oh, please, dude.

Because I have... Because I'm just going to talk until you make me stop. I'm talking. So I have Jacori-Criski-Mered. He's not in my lineup this week. Over. Well, uh, under, I guess. Right now it's, it's, it's Kobe Myers.

But Debo is also in my lineup right now. And if Debo was ruled out, I would play Rico Doudal before I'd play Jacori cross-Kamarae. Okay. So that's, that's the way I feel. I want, I want Jacori-Crisky Merritt on my team. Yeah. I do not necessarily want him in my lineup this week or until I see more of an established,

like Jason made the point. He missed a lot of practice last week. So maybe that's why. the breakdown wasn't the same. He is the number one on the depth chart. So there could be the breakout coming. He's averaging almost six of carry. But I'm willing to wait for it,

then write it unless I'm in a bi-week pinch. Sure. So he is start-worthy. You can look for a big play. That's a nice thing is sometimes you have players like Nick Chubb, the big play's not coming. Players like Jacori-Kroski-Marri, they can get you a 60-yard touchdown

the day is made in the shade. Zach Ertz. Zach Erz, what do you think? I mean, he's necessary, but It is nice to have Jaden Daniels back for Zach Ertz. Yeah, so you had Week 2, he had the eight targets. Other than that, it's been pretty rough

of, you know, 26 yards, 38, 21. Well, that was two Mario-O games. That does concern me because they have that connection. Yeah, he's startable. I mean, would you, it's like Ertz or Hawkinson? Jason? Does it go all the way up to... What do you think, Jay?

Does it go to LaPorteur for you, Andy? I'll be honest. There's so much there on the street. I think I got baited in that one. There's a Jay Griz button that I hit. It's supposed to just be a roar. And it was supposed to be a roar. It's a song now.

Look. Oh, it is a roar. What did I hit? I hit it. Oh, you hit it? Oh, my gosh. That was me. messing with my mind. I'm like, I see, that was

a smart plan. I thought you'd mess with my... You could have just gaslit him so bad. Oh, you could have. If you had messed with the roar button, that would have been a sweet plan. Thanks, Jay. Yeah, I mean, I might go to Loporta in that situation for sure. Okay. What about like Brenton's Strange?

I'd go strange. I would too. The New England Patriots. This will be fun. Taking on the cold front, Buffalo Bills, the other undefeated team. Buffalo, eight and a half point home favorites. The New England Patriots trying to break through these basement dwelling days and into the middle to upper tier of the NFL. I don't think they'll do it here.

I also just think that if I was playing against a team with such incredible jerseys as the bills that they're playing in this week. Like I would never wear the jersey of another team. Right. I just have this, that's just not something I can do as a Cardinal fan. This is close. This one's close. Like if I, the Cardinals are out of the playoffs and Josh Allen's on my fancy team,

I'm wearing this Josh Allen jersey. I can see that. But you need the whole fit. Yeah, the helmet really helps it. Yes. All right. Look, the Patriots, they have played the Josh Allen led Buffalo Bills pretty close over the years, even when they've struggled.

Allen is just seven and six against New England since being drafted. How is that possible? Don't know. Somehow he's averaged just a 58% completion percentage and 18 fancy points against New England. What? You know, the Patriots will be up for this game. They will be, it's divisional. Mike Vrable, they got it done last week in a dominating fashion.

I do think that Buffalo, you know, they're going to win the game, in my opinion. I don't see this as an upset. But Drake Mays has been getting it done. He's the only quarterback of 20 plus fancy points in each of the last three weeks. Yeah, he has been getting it done. two of those weeks. We saw 31 yards on the ground. He scored on the ground of that one, too. Then 45. And three for 11 this past week on the ground, but he did get the rushing touchdown. So it's, it, the prophecy of Drake May giving us a good baseline on the ground is it's coming

through. James Cook was the offensive player of the month for both the NFL and your fantasy team. James Cook is cooking. He is very good. You know what's ironic is before he wanted the big money for being one of the best backs in the league. We were all like, well, you're not one of the best backs in the league. So why do you want that money? Now he got the money. Now he is the best back in the league. I feel like the argument was you're not utilized where we felt like by us? Yeah. Oh, by us, yes. But I'm just saying from a scale perspective, I don't know if everybody thought that James Cook was the top five back. Like he wanted to get paid like that. And we're like, I think on the

outset, I'm going, well, every running back thinks that. But he was right. That's all I'm saying. is like he actually is credit to him for delivering post bag. Sure. You know? Jason got the bag and look. Yeah, he's not even here. No, he's a bear. Yeah, he took that bag and ran.

The bag of the Rams DSD points. The Rams DSD. It's bountiful. All right, so James Cook, that's easy. But Ramandre and Trevion Henderson on the other side. Last week you saw Remandre with still 57% of the snaps, Hindo 31%. Hindo got the little touchdown. That was nice.

Opportunity-wise, it was close. Routes-wise, Romandre is still running more routes. Mike shaking his head like Vrable. He doesn't approve. They won like 400 to nothing last week. Yeah, well... They do trust Ramandre.

And remandre brings different things to the running game physicality-wise, past protection-wise. Yeah, I can agree with that. They beat up Carolina. Honestly, I look at New England and Denver similarly, where the running backs and the confidence that the team has on J.K. Dobbins and Ramandre Stevenson, I actually see pretty similar. I don't think either guy gets phased out ever.

I think you're part of the offense. There's no way you operate this New England offense, I think, with a 100% Henderson, personally, just based on the size. That's fine. We just give him half of the snaps. Let's throw him the ball some more. Yeah. utilize him properly.

Stefan Diggs is playing another, he's got a revenge game this week. He was six for 101 last week. Is he playable? question mark I think so 63% of the snaps but again it was a it was a massacre 42 to 13

I I don't know he feels like he could be a trap he's startable in this matchup but he would not surprise me if he's all of a sudden back he's 4 for 42 or whatever here's a little depressing

reality for the Buffalo Bills wide receiver room where Kalisha Kerry had the touchdown last week the leader in target share is Keon Coleman. Keon Coleman finished the wide receiver 7, 7,76, 49 in the last three weeks. It's back to receiver roulette. I mean, he had one good week. And here we are. We're back.

We're being asked digs or either of the bill's wide receivers. I would go digs. Yeah. Don Kincaid's start of the week. Hunter Henry, he is the target share. leader for the Patriots. You can play Hunter Henry. Yes, you can. Would you play Henry or would you play Darren Waller? I have that decision this week.

I would play Henry. Would you? Yeah, I know that Jason's pretty hyped for Waller and I want to see more than 10 snaps or whatever it was, 10 routes, I don't remember, don't recall. I know he had two touchdowns. That's awesome to see on that

very limited opportunity, but needs some more playtime. It's like Dalton Kincaid. Like it's a, we're at a really weird place with Dalton Kincaid of he is getting it done on a weekly basis, but he is not on the field a ton. It's a, it feels like a house of cards that could just blow over in the wind at any moment. Okay. Okay. Any other players in this game you want to bring up? No. You should play Josh Allen. Yeah, you should do that. Yeah, let's take a break. I'm good there. We'll talk to Monday night football.

The Kansas City Chiefs, two and two, taking on the Jacksonville Jaguars who have a better record at 3-1. I guess that calls for a... Duval. You know, Vegas line here, Kansas City minus three and a half on the road. Over under is 46 and a half. So Kansas City favorite here in Jacksonville. The respect is not there at home. And...

You got to earn respect, Mr. Cohen. He tried when he tried to fight Robert Sala. No, no, no, that's what I'm saying. You have to earn respect. You don't get to, like, try an aura farm and be like, I'm so cool. Oh, yeah, that voice. Somebody made me do that voice the other day. The Liam Cohn voice?

Yeah, we were on the card stream with me and Nate. And then, I don't know, some player question came up on Jacksonville. And they're like, do the Mike voice for, do the Liam Cole voice for Mike. And I'm like, wait, is that? Because I was, I think I was going Duvo. Oh, no, it's, yeah, there you go. It's real nasal. Yeah, no, that's pretty fun.

All right, Jags, three and one, despite all the dysfunction, despite all the frustration with Brian Thomas Jr.'s success and fantasy, despite not utilizing Travis Hunter, despite having some injuries on the offensive side. Here we are at three and one. I mean, is that, is that impressive? Is this a house of cards as well, or the offense doesn't look as good as it could be? I mean, they did beat San Francisco, a pretty, you know.

That's their only loss? Oh, San Francisco's only loss? Yeah. But they did also lose to the Bengals and Jake Browning, who threw multiple interceptions that week. That was the game the injury happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, that game was, that was a shot.

I don't know. Well, they should be 4 and 0. Yes. That's, I mean, that game was, that was my, I think my almost upset was Jacksonville in that game, and they were whooping them. But it's like Carolina, Cincinnati with half of Joe Burrow, Houston. and then San Francisco. San Francisco is a good win. That's a very good win.

The defense is why they're winning. So I don't know yet. They're a very good defense. They're a top-half defense. They're great against running backs. The Chiefs don't have any. So, you know. That's great news.

There is no temptation to play Pacheco or Kareem Hunt. Patrick Mahomes, though, has been very, very good for fantasy. Top 10 in three or four weeks. They're favored in this game. They don't have a running game. Are you cool with Patrick Mahomes? Yeah. the worthy was worthy looked pretty good he looked pretty healthy and mahomes is well at least the first

couple weeks he's running more he still had five and four attempts at least registered didn't really give us any yardage but if mahomes is if mahomes is giving me a reason to play him then i will be excited and be back in yeah zaver worthy is my start of the week he was targeted on 32 percent of rounds last week. And then I'm not really messing with pass catchers for the Chiefs. Yeah. You could do Kelsey because you know, tight end is what it is. Thornton, it was a fun

ride while it happened. Same for Hollywood Brown. It was just, it was an enjoyable couple of first weeks. Travis ETN is a must start at this point. Yeah. Believe it or not, the Chief's defense, 24th against running backs. That is not something that's been the case. No, that's wild.

Historically, but here we are. And then Brian Thomas Jr. You know, last year's catch rate on, on, was 80% it's 47% right now. Brian Thomas Jr., you know,

on plays down the field over 10 yards. Here's the Wolverine meme looking at a photo of Mac Jones remembering the good times that he had. It's wild. Yeah, Travis Hunter's not startable.

He might not be rosterable. We're very close. And, but Brian Thomas, I'm going to go to the well. I'm going to go to the bat for. I'm going to trade for. He is a trade four candidate for me. Yeah, I'm going for it.

It was like Ashton Genty last week. I'm going to, you know, this dude's on pace for 130 plus targets again. It's going to happen. He hasn't scored a receiving touchdown on the year. Do we get to a point, though, where the Jacksonville targets don't matter like the Cleveland targets? Well, Trevor Lawrence's targets are not. Not all targets are equal. That's an actual reality.

I agree with that. I do, of course, we pay attention to targets. When I go to the Waver Wire in the Dynasty, I'm sorting by targets, but they're not all created equal, not even close. Where are they compared to the line of scrimmage? You know what I mean? It's like, how about the Jameson Williams targets?

I mean, I like them. Yeah, a dot matters. But they're down the field. So, yeah, Brian Thomas Jr., though, I still... Still in, still going to keep playing him. I'm still in. I am. Come back to me next week, ask me if that was dumb.

we did have some injury updates Bucky Irving not seen practicing on Friday okay he's not going to be out there same with Lamar Jackson he is not practicing he's going to miss his first game due to injury since 2023 Jaden Blue likely to be active and Tyrone Tracy slated

to practice on Friday Camp Scataboo might not be alone anymore I would say that puts them unlikely to play this weekend but maybe next weekend and then we'll have to gather more data of do they make the move to Scattero boo, because they should.

Yeah. Fantasy face-off, presented by prize picks. All right, well, last week, I went 4-4, Jason went 4-4-4-4, and Mike, you were a pathetic three-for-four-four. Yeah, I apologize. Pretty terrible, 11-for-12 last week. but I guess that means you got to spin this oh man

wheel of shame yes yes yes every week we build a lineup based on projections in the price pick app and the shame of one for of three of four yeah you got to be perfect that's that's the message

all right spin the wheel I am extremely nervous about this week We got a League of Record loser Granola Man That says astronaut You're an astronaut You know You're going to outer space

What? Who proved this? Well, I mean, what's wrong with this, Mike? I'm talking about the graphic Oh Guys, you underestimate to the size of my head. Oh, tell me he can get his head in there, please. Oh, he just, Mike just knocked the crap out of his, do you have one of your ear monitors in still? No, I have none in. All right, nothing in. Nothing in my ears. Completely blind. Does that

visor go up? Oh, okay. All right, there we go. There we go. Now I'm, now I'm dead in space. Yeah, no, I don't know if you know how space works. Look, you can bring the visor up while you speak, and then you go back into space. Fine. I'm out of here. All right. Every week we're building a lineup based on projections and prize pick, picking a quarterback running back wide receiver in tight-in, and we've got them this week. Al Borland is going to

kindly contribute Jason's picks for the week. I am going to start, Mike, with the quarterback position. I sound like Darth Vader in here. Yeah, and you look, you look dumb. Baker Mayfield more than 222.5. I'm going to believe in Baker on

the road against Seattle. I've got C.J. I've got, I went all my starts of the week this week because I'm not a coward. C.J. Stroud, 222.5 passing yards. More. Down goes the visor. And Jason went with Drake May, 225 passing yards, and he took the more. All right, my running back, Breeze Hall, more than 67.5 rushing yards against Dallas. All right. I'm back. Quinn Johnston.

59 and a half receiving yards more and the visors back down did you go running back yeah oh i can't hear mike can't hear so so what do we want here for jason's pick we want running back and my running back yeah yeah i'm back uh but i just saw i got andy's eyes said i need to start talking so so i started talking that's okay you can get uh alvin camera 56 and a half rushing yards more Go ahead and give both give his running back

and wide receiver and then I'll get my wide out All right Jason's running back is Javante Williams more than 69 and a half rushing yards And his wide receiver is Darius Slaten More than three and a half receptions All right my white out was Jacoby Myers

This is my green goblin More than 3.5 receptions On the prize picks platform that's a tough one uh we've we've agreed that in our in our rundown in our lineup we each can have one of the green goblins that is a little bit of an advantaged uh projection so which one have we gotten to that one for jason we have we gotten to that for you no no my my green goblin yeah is my tight end start of the week it is jake ferguson aka fergillicious aka ferg daddy four and a half receptions easy more all right

have my tight-in, Theo Johnson. I'm going, this is one of the fun projections. 15.5 is the projection for his longest reception. I'm taking less. So Theo can't catch a pass more than 15.5 yards. All right. And Jason's tight-in is his green goblin. He went with Darren Waller more than one and a half receptions.

Okay. That seems pretty. That seems doable. That seems doable. All right, that was fantasy faceoff presented by prize picks. Check out max discounts on the. app now use the code footballers and get $50 in lineups when you play $5. And that is one small step for Mike.

One giant leap for that helmet. This thing is cramped. Yeah, well, you know, your head is not a normal head. It's a jumbo. It's probably never coming off. All right. I didn't think of that till just now. That's going to hurt.

I got a hacksaw. Oh, boy. Yeah, Al will help you. you out. All right, we are, we're wrapping it for today. Join me on Sunday morning. I'll be covering Sunday live this week. I think Al Borland will be there with me. I'll be here. And we've got an exciting Sunday live for you. Don't forget to set your lineups for those early, early games over there in England. I'm just staring at this iridescent. Say hello, Mike. It's real foggy in here, too. Yeah, no, that's good. We got you hooked up. All right, that'll do it. Hitting this button.

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