Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Week 5 Studs & Duds + Cardinals Choke Job - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/6

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Oct 6, 2025. The best and worst from Week 5 of fantasy football! Including reactions to the epic Cardinals collapse! Find out which down performances are a major cause for concern. Plus, injury updates and early fantasy football advice entering Week 6. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.(00:00) Intro(10:15) Monday Punday(14:00) NFL News(20:30) Fantasy Studmuffins(20:40) QB Studs (23:02) RB Studs(29:05) WR Studs(36:55) TE Studs(38:25) Fantasy Duds(40:40) QB Duds(42:30) RB Duds(48:00) WR Duds(53:05) TE DudsConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Fantasy Footballer's Studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, man. Oh, man. Andy's in a good, good place. Oh, man, it feels good to not be the one melting down. I hate the Cardinals so much. I, I legitimately, I have been wrestling with this.

And I haven't, we didn't talk about this before the show. I figured this is a good place. You arrived in Arizona at three in the morning. That is true. I was in New York. I thought I was going to be all alone, and I have at least 120 minutes of Cardinals' material. Yeah. We knew Mike wasn't going to be here today, so it's a two-man show.

Lucky son of a gun. And I was flying in from New York, my plane kept getting delayed and delayed, and then sitting on the tarmac for two hours. Yeah, and so I'm like, okay, so I'm running off a little bit of sleep, but we're here. We're a two-man show, but we didn't get a chance to really talk about it yet. this is why we do it live yes we're doing it live but i i feel like so some people will hear this and be just really upset triggered by this but i think i'm at a point where i am legitimately oh i know what you're going to say saying i don't think i have to be a cardinal's fan no it's not look i don't think why do i have to why do i have to say i am a fan of a terrible organization that

I don't like the structure. I don't like the ownership. I don't like anything they've ever done. I am a fan of them because I live within 150 miles of that. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't deserve this. No one here deserves this. This was a public embarrassment of the franchise in a manner incomprehensible over and over.

It wasn't one thing. It wasn't two things. It wasn't three things. it wasn't four things it was i mean all of the things it was all of the things it started with a snap into the face of kailer murray that's where it all began the cardinals are up 21 to 3 and they're on the 25 snap it right into your face all right summary of the career of kailer murray oh but but on that play who by the way on that play when they snapped it to his face that happens sometimes you know the the center is is but the rest of the offensive line stands there

straight up. I mean, like, the right guard just, he's just standing like, oh, that sucked. And barely tried to push a guy out of the way while the other team gets the ball. It's like, ah, we're winning with ZZ. That was three points minimum, probably seven. Titans were packing up, ready to go home.

Cardinals, that was the best. That was the highlight of the day for them. Because then you follow that up with 21 to 6. We're in the lead. Fourth quarter. Amari DiMarcato takes it. 73. It takes his 70, I think it was going to be a 76 air touchdown. He took it to about the 60 of the 75 and just stops.

He literally slowed down then. That's when he slowed down. He had a gap between him and the defender and decides I'm going to run slower, which I never saw Jerry Rice do that or Larry Fis, Gerald, do that, or any professional athlete. I don't think anybody's confusing Mara DiMarcato with those guys, though. This is the moment of your life of 70s. six-yard run. You've spent your entire career for the opportunity to get

the kind of work you had, and this was your play of your life. And everybody's seen it now. And literally, when he starts slowing down, I'm not worried about him being the dumbest person on her. No, you're worried about the defender coming in. He tries, and he didn't reach it. Barely, the defender almost

reached the ball to knock it out. Goodbye, seven points. Didn't need to. Goodbye. Why are NFL players paid professionally, drop Stopping the ball when they run to the end zone. If it were up to me, you should run until you hit your head on the goalposts. Every time. With the ball in your hand.

But don't worry. It's okay. You're still up 21 to 6 in the fourth quarter against the league's worst offense and the worst quarterback in the worst situation. They instantly run down the field and score seven points. Just two seconds later, they're down the field. It's fine, though. They had missed the extra point. You're now down nine.

We can't lose, Bill. You can't lose that game. It's embarrassing, but we're not in a position where we could actually lose. And our defense, we're going to, yeah. Thank you. There you go. Let's continue. This is the sound effects that we're happening on the next play when we give up.

Like, first of all, our offense does nothing. Our offense has no plans. You're up 100 points according to our offense. Let's just run it with Michael Carter three times. You're idiot. You drafted a guy top five at wide receiver. You have the second highest pay tied in in the league at a great quarterback. Don't target them.

Take your two backup running backs and hand the ball off right up the middle. Oh, they're not backups. They're backups to the backups. They're backups to the backups. The backup got injured. But don't even stop there. Let's let them drive the field. But guess what?

Let's make it. Let's intercept the ball. Oh, but when we got it, how about we kick it around a little bit? How about we drop it? We just kick it into their end zone. Yeah, kicking around backwards into the end zone for an old man, Tyler Lockett to recover it to recover it over your 75 defenders.

It's okay. We're still up, Andy. We're up two points. We're still up. Couple first down. Couple first. Let's give the ball to the stupid. Backup running backs right up the middle.

Over and over and over. It wasn't like the clock was the real problem here. Just get a first down. But you still only have to stop the worst team in the league. All you got to do is not give up like a 60-yard play. That's it. To a guy that was hurting who didn't do anything all season long. Yeah, just put one safety back there, man, you'll be fine.

But don't worry, you could let Tony Pollard score on his run. Oh, yeah. Tackle him at the two so they could kick a field going you have no time out. Man, brilliant. Brilliant. They coach as well as the ownership allows. The Cardinals. Fire them all.

Fire them all. I wish we could fire them all. And, you know, people want to say, hey, Amari DiMarcato, he played us all life. He's a player. You don't deserve a job anymore. You can't do that. No, you can. This is a merit-based business.

Do the thing you're supposed to do or don't play football. When you are Amari DiMarcato, you have a marquis de Marquado, you don't. You have not proved, you know, this isn't Derek Henry. This isn't like, okay, this is, you know, a guy that our team desperately needs. When you do something like that, it's like kickers. You lose your job. Yeah, kickers lose them all the time. You should lose your job.

Yeah. It's like a kicker turning around and kicking it backwards, though. I mean, it's just unacceptable. The Cardinals are, I am so embarrassed. But can I, can I not be a Cardinals fan? I mean, you could do whatever you want to do. what it feels like right now. The problem with that is that if by some reincarnation of Kurt Warner they are ever successful

at doing anything, that will be the moment that you desperately wish you hadn't abandoned the team. That is the essence of sports. So I don't have any worries. Well, yeah, I mean, the nice thing is if I were to abandon the Cardinals, I would go from having to be my team to abhorring them. I would root against everything they do and stand for. I'm getting texts from Bears fans this morning saying,

Oh, they're sorry for us. The empathy. Their empathy. Yeah. Yeah. It was the most embarrassing public spectacle. I'm always, like, proud of Browns fans. Like, Browns fans are amazing.

See what I mean? Like, if they have success. And they're still out there. And they're still going out in cold weather games. And they're still, I don't have that in me. I don't have, like, I don't care about this team. Got a busy life, Jay. You're in New York. You're jet setting. You don't cut time for this crap. You don't got time for this. You don't got time for this.

You don't got time for this. And you know what else? People play to Mari DiMarcato. Oh, yeah. Eight point fantasy swing right there. Touchdown into a fumble. Yeah. Well, more than that if you get a bonus for long touchdowns, too. That's true. Which you and I are playing each other in fantasy. We are. Just a little salt in the wound that Kyler Murray threw a 44-yard touchdown to, Marvin Harrison. You're starting Kyler Murray against me and you're starting Marvin Harrison against me. Correct. Except he didn't throw a 44-yard touchdown. No, he got dragged down at the

one and then Michael Carter ran it in. That was a 16-point swing in our league and I'm up by like 12 points tonight. You're up by 12. I've got Etyn and Travis Hunter. Yeah. I think I 60-40. You Much higher than that. No. I don't think so.

Not against the Chiefs run defense. We've seen we need nothing. We've seen what do you need? 11 points? We've seen. Don't pay Well, okay, I won't patronize you then. I'll make fun of you for having Jacori Kroski Merritt on your bench and Rico Dowdle on your bench. Oh, baby. You could have won't so easy. Yeah, yeah. That is adding to the mood. That is adding to the mood. Dowdle on the old bench. But don't worry, I started Woody Marks my start of the week. Dumb Sport. I traded him to you so that you could play him against me.

Home team, dumb sport, dumb hobby. Yeah. Also our career. Two weeks in a row. Two weeks in a row. You can walk away. Super fun. We can't walk away.

We're supposed to be talking about the week. Yeah. We can get to it. We can get to some puns. There's good and bad. We only feel the bad. Was there good? There was good.

There was a lot of good. Well, don't tell that to Armary in Hampton owners, but we'll move on. We'll get into Monday Punday. It's a little bit ironic. that Mike's not here because this is the victory lap of all victory laps. Maybe he's good. Rico Suave.

Oh, Rico Waudel. We got Amari DiMarcado. Oh, my gosh, you're a moron. Yeah, he is. We also have a mecca bazooka. Oh, he's so good. He is my guy. Darnold Schwarzenegger.

Giovante Thrilliams. I think he's just legit. Another great time for Mike to brag. his start of the week. CJ Proud. Uh-huh. Darren Baller. Oh, yeah.

Michael Starter. And Jonathan Taylor touchdowns against Andy, baby. Yeah, that sucked. All right. Could have had four, by the way. Amir Abdullah got one of them. Oh, that's stupid.

We had the bads like woody farts. Woody skid marks. Elek, Iow manure. Jackson Shart. There's a lot of poop going on here. Oh, man. And I deserve this one. Lamanson Williams and Shamison Williams.

Well, for the. Poop, you got T.P. Hawkinson. And, oh, here, I started this guy. Gibroni Myers. Uh, Zach hurts my team. You started him. Yeah. And, uh, how about Trayvion Wenderson?

Yeah, when are you going to, well, never. Maybe Gibson. And of course, the Arizona Fartnells. Yes, the Arizona Shartanels. Yeah. And maybe we get a chance to Arizona restartanels at some point. Restartanels being a fan of a different team. Yeah, I don't blame you.

What if I go to like another bad team? Well, don't, don't, oh. Like, does that make it better? It makes it worse. Now you're just, like, a distant fan of terrible. Like, no, don't choose the Browns or the Saints right now. What's the next geographically close? Would this be one of the Los Angeles teams?

It used to be the Chargers, right? But now they moved, so. Well, they're still, I would go to the Chargers. The Chargers would be my pick. Because they're losing enough offensive linemen now. They just upset the Eagles. Oh, yeah, they're close. I love Bonnix.

Yeah, go to the Broncos, maybe. So maybe that what you're actually rooting for here, if you want an easy path, is the Cardinals have moved before. They were Chicago. They were St. Louis. You just need to get them out. Try to get them out of town. I love that. Because all Chargers fans, all Chargers fans were allowed contractually with.

Oh, they were allowed to switch. Yeah, you left the city. You can now go to find a new team. I need the Cardinals to move. I know the people wanted to hear our reaction. I don't really feel any better afterwards. Last week when I was melting down, it was cathartic, and I felt so much better after the show. After this show, the Cardinals still are the worst team to be fans of.

If, and look, people will say Kyla Murray is part of the problem, and he probably is. He is such a small part of what happened yesterday. Like, you saw him after the game. He said it was like the 101 of his losses of his career. Drew Petsing is the worst offensive coordinator and he takes his cues from Jonathan Gannon I think it has to start at the top man I know petting

What's the top? Gannon you're saying? I was referring to Gannon. I mean it goes to Bidwell. Put Gannon in a cannon, fire him into space. I like it. We've seen it all year long while we're playing bad teams. We've been up and then we have taken our foot off of the accelerator.

And no good teams do that. No one. No good. The lions don't do that. No, no. does that. Except the Cardinals. We're like, ah, let's, we won three quarters. We're up 21 to 13. Let's

not try to keep scoring. All right. Idiot. Yes. All right. We've got news. News and notes from around the league. Presented by progressive insurance. Actually, I do feel a little bit better, having talked to you about it for the first

time. Okay. And to share the misery. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was it was the most embarrassing loss. I'm so happy we lost. It is the most embarrassing loss we've ever had. At the very end, I was rooting for us to lose because we deserved to not walk out of there with a W.

You deserve to walk out with your head held low. Everybody but them knew what was going to happen if you punted the ball back up two. All right. Xavier Worthy now listed as questionable. He was a full practice all week. His ankle was a little swollen. when he arrived in Jacksonville.

He is technically questionable for tonight's game, and that is a bummer because you were, you were an R and have been counting on him. He was my start of the week. It is, if he doesn't go, obviously you have pivot options tonight that are probably on your waiver wire. Tycoon Thornton.

A Thornton would be, yeah, if Thornton is Hollywood. Brock Bowers took the week off. We reported that had Sunday live. He might take more than a week off. the bone bruise Matthew Betts was talking about if you play through it it can affect his long-term health so they might give him

a multi-reve brachs to be Brock Bowers again and by the way I did get an update just now from Ian Rapcheet himself Rappaport himself Worthy is expected to play so Buck Yerving dealing this was reported yesterday I talked about it on Sunday live as well

he's dealing with a shoulder injury so a lot of people he was He was in a boot and on crutches, and yet it was reported yesterday that the shoulder injury was more severe and more of a reason why he's missing time. Yeah, I mean, they're expecting him to miss at least two weeks, so more Rashad White. Jordan Addison was benched in the first quarter of the game for missing a walkthrough during the week. Justin Jefferson talked about it after the game.

Addison ended up with the game-winning touchdown. Tyler Murray actually left the game with a foot injury, came back in after the demarcato play, which Brissette had handed the ball off on that one. Because he had to come back in to hand it off to third and fourth string running backs to lose the game. Right. Because Brissette couldn't have done that. And then when I asked for details on the injury, all he said is, we'll see. He's trying to cope with whether he wants

to play for the Cardinals. I own so many Cardinals hats. You do. You're wearing one right now. Yeah, this is the one I picked out today because I see why. I just felt like it was saying There must be like a Nickelodeon. Yeah, it's like, to me it's slimed. It's slimed. The Cardinals got slimed this weekend. No, that's a good hat.

Yeah, for a bad team. Burnet. Burn it's all. Umarney and Hampton. This was big news. Walking boot on the left ankle. He was, like I watched this game at the end. Kamani Vidal says soon, ended up getting the carries after he went out.

He was running on the sideline trying to do that warm up stuff on the sideline. You know, hopefully that means. it's not going to be a long time. But if it's a high ankle sprain, we know the story, right? You either miss nothing or generally three games. Yep. And they really could have used him at the end of that game. Yeah. Although, goodness gracious, their offensive line. Like, they're not scoring a lot of points. The Chargers are not scoring a lot of points since they've lost three fifths of their offensive line. No, no. And all of the, I have a start of the rest of the year, Justin Herbert. No, he's a, I mean, that was me. He's a flex option, or, you know, he's a streaming option. You need to look at who else you have. We had Antonio Gibson left with the knee injury.

The Patriots lost. Well, Romandre fumbled again. Then Antonio Gibson hurt himself and then Romandre scored twice. Yeah. They like Ramandre Stevenson. That is the most simple statement, the most true statement for fantasy football. It doesn't matter if you like Ramandre Stevens. Right, right.

really doesn't. No. The Patriots like Ramandre Stevenson, they think he is important. They went into Buffalo that won the game. They won the game. And this is the biggest disconnected fantasy football in the NFL this entire season is Trayvion Henderson. The NFL is the that's who has to believe that he's a three-down running back. That's who has to believe that he can handle between the tackles work and pass protection. They have to believe it. It doesn't matter if we believe it. It doesn't matter if he runs. runs really fast. I remember C.J. Spiller used to run really fast. Reggie Bush can run really fast. But if the NFL decides that Trayvion Anderson is not, is a committee back, and that's

just what he's going to be, you're going to just be mad the rest of your life if you don't accept that. Yeah, I think the Spiller comp is a little weird. Don't forget, he was the running back seven on one of these seasons. He had an awesome breakout year, but yes, I agree. C.J. Spiller was the quintessential every year you were met. Yes, except for the one where he finishes the running back seven. But yes, most of his career, he was irrelevant and very fast. But that's an unnecessary throwback. The C.J. Spiller.

Well, look, it's, it is what it is. It could be a major injury for Antonio Gibson, though. The snaps for 50-50. Yeah, I mean, he's going to get more work. Anderson will get more work. He just won't get all of it. Right, and he does not appear to be like the primary between the tackles runner. That will be Ramandre.

Ramondre will get better, not just Henderson. Yeah, that's a good point. Darius Slayton left with the hamstring injury, didn't return. It's a Thursday night game against the Eagles. Wondale Robinson didn't work out. Slayton didn't work out. There were big pickups on the week, and the Giants didn't work out. They lost to the Saints.

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Let's get in. This week's Fantasy Stud Muffins, presented by Lowe's. Well, this was a great call by the Cardboard Bear over there. The number one quarterback on the week. week was C.J. Stroud. Four touchdowns. You and I had a hotly contested. Oh, I took an L on that one. Houston, Baltimore. You bet me, okay, I don't know whether I should tell. Sure. You bet me $100 on the show. Okay. We didn't make the bet. Did we make the bet? I don't think we made the bet. I don't think we made the bet. You had said, hey, I'll bet you $100 right now. Big, big bet. Because I didn't

make the bet. You went and threw more of your money down on this. I did make the bet. Yeah, you made a bet. Baltimore in Baltimore, being the underdogs felt wild. And to both you're and Mike's credit, you thought I was crazy. With all the injuries. Stroud was number one. It's wild.

Mike made him a start of the week. He hasn't been in the start of the weeks for forever. Yeah. And they got boat raced. Number one quarterback. Yeah, I mean, Baltimore is in trouble. They're in real trial. That defense, I talked about it on Sunday Live. They have like major pieces missing on the defensive side that already wasn't good.

Dak was number two. Dak just needed CD to get out of the way to put up big numbers for you. I can't wait for CD Lamb to be back. I can't wait. Coming soon. Yeah. Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield battled one another and ended up three, four in the fantasy scorers of the week.

It was an amazing game in the throwback jerseys. That are amazing. And those two guys went back and forth. Baker narrowly beating Sam Darnold and Justin Fields insanely finished number five. Yeah, because he played awful. I thought I botched that start of the week again with Justin Fields. Is it because he

looked terrible as a quarterback? It was because he is so dumb as a quarterback sometimes. Him and Gino Smith this week they were so bad and yet the garbage man can because you had Justin Fields

He had 46% of his points in the fourth quarter. Did you see Mason Taylor, 12 targets, nine catches? I'll put that kitty cat in my tight-in spot. I will too. I've been saying it with Mike. That is, he does not have the dog. You don't have to have the, not everybody has to have the dog to be. Dog cat, gerbil, I don't care.

Give me nine catches. I can live with it. Mike's ultimate day, and he's. He's not here. Rico Dowdell number one on the week on my bench. Against you. Against you. Thank you for that. Rico was unstoppable. 26 for 206. He had multiple 45, 50-yard runs. I mean, this was a game where you saw Miami get some of the offense going that we've been waiting for.

Three touchdowns from Tua, and they lost the game. Dude. And they lost the game because Rico. Rico is playing Dallas next week. Rico is going to I mean he's already got he's come out and said they got to buckle up they know I mean he played so well yeah he played so well and so you had I mean he was an amazing star Jonathan Taylor number two Kyron number three Jivante number four let's grab another top five player on my bench Cory Kroski Merritt I give you a lot of credit on this one he split so much time with Chris Rodriguez last week that the people were scared to start him.

He had missed all of the week of practice the week before. This was the breakout game. It really was. This was what you were waiting for. This was a dominant performance from Bill. Bill Crosky himself. Bill Crosky, oh, that son of a gun. He eats Chick-fil-A on Sundays.

Yeah, yeah, he did. He ate it all day long. Two touchdowns, caught the ball. Chunk play after chunk play. it was an impressive, like, it's a tier adjustment. Yeah, for JCM. He is now a start worthy player every week. And the team, they came back from a deficit in which they,

I think there was one completion by Jane Daniels with eight minutes left in the second quarter. They end up really blowing out the chargers in a game they were down 10-0. So impressive. Javante, so impressive. Keeps doing it. Yeah, he keeps doing it every single week. I mean, the matchups have been. been pretty good for him on the ground.

But, I mean, he's got Carolina coming up, and he looks outstanding. The workload is there. I mean, the opportunities, 18 opportunities this week, 23 opportunities the week before. He's had 18 and 25 before that. I mean, he is the utilization for fantasy football, the expected fantasy points. It's what you dream of. And, I mean, it's a good offense. They're playing great on the offensive side.

Dak, Dak is... He's cooking. He's so good. CMC, Rashad White. Oh, my gosh. I can't believe David Montgomery throwing a touchdown is going to be the difference between you beating me or not, but it is. Yeah, it is. Jemir Gibbs got into the end zone again. Sequin caught the big touchdown pass. But only six rushing attempts.

Well, look, we were Sunday live, I was talking to Al, and I said, I know the matchup is bad, but I bet they throw the ball. a ton because of all this hoop lock and you know what they got their first loss you got what you wanted and you lost the game and then did you see the hell merry with devante smith and a j brown yeah i did yeah yeah they a j brown was like give me that and it just took it right out of davy smith's hands did you see the uh j brown uh bomb that would have been a touchdown but he just kind of stopped running on the route no he there was an effort play though he he he had He had a play. He was even asked about it afterwards, like, why did you slow up on that play?

Because he has this long developing route, ends up beating his guy. And then as soon as he beats the guy, he kind of slows down. It seemed like he just assumed the ball wasn't going to come. Yeah, that's probably. He looks over his shoulder. The ball's coming. He speeds up. And the ball's just about a yard ahead of him overthrown.

And it's like, dude, that would have been, I mean, that would, you would have already lost. Yep. Michael Carter, 18 for 51 and a touchdown. five targets for 22 yards the breakdown is 18 carries for him three for demarcato four for bam night who did score we mentioned him on sunday live michael carter was the play yeah i don't know why michael starter yeah there's so much like i don't know like strange anger out there about like saying michael carter was going to start instead of demarcato well it was it was it was the right call um you know it will continue to be oh yeah i mean they're

not giving DeMarcato more work. I mean, there's a chance he's not on that team anymore. Jonathan Gannon screamed and Jonathan Gannon is not the most fiery type. He's not the most disciplinary, like, yell at his guys type that. No, he mostly looks like he doesn't give a crap. Yeah. He was not happy with DeMarcotta. I think he might have punched him.

I think he might have punched Amari DiMarcato. There's some video. Yeah, so anyways, Michael Carter will be the starter going forward. until, I mean, Trey Benson's on IR, and Carter's going to get a lot of the snaps. This was a strange game. Breece Hall against Dallas. He was great. He was 14 for 113.

Mind you, this is the same Dallas that will get Rico Dattle next week. Had five targets, had a fumble lost, left, seemingly hurt but came back. He's averaging 5.3 a carry on the season. He looks like he's got his burst back, which is great. and the big fear of Justin Fields being the quarterback, not checking the ball down. He's getting enough targets. I mean, he's a pretty great play every week. Yeah, I watch that game.

The targets are always coming at the same time. It is the time of game in which they're losing by a bunch, which is every week. That's fine for me. J.K. Dobbins, got it done again. Another touchdown for Dobbins. 13, 15, 12, 1914. That is what he's been at the running back position. The fantasy, the running back finish.

Yeah, he's a guaranteed RB2 every week right now. remandre two touchdowns on 14 rushing yards we talked about him got the win all right this this will make me smile yay ameka abouca is the number one wide receiver on the week number three on the season i mean this is 27.8 points he is the only player of 25 plus receptions 400 plus receiving yards and five plus receiving touchdowns in his first five career games ever and he's the third highest fantasy points through five weeks ever this is It's just, it's unbelievable how well he's playing with Baker. And, like, if you had to, if you had to place the bet that he finishes in the top five, would you make that bet?

I don't think I would make that bet simply because you got five touchdowns in the first five games. Sure. And so I would imagine at the end of the year, let's say he finishes with 10 touchdowns, a great number for a rookie season. That would be five touchdowns over the rest of the season. You just don't expect that pace to happen. but if you told me top 10, I'd be, I mean, I'd be almost surprised at this point if he doesn't finish top 10. He looks the part. I mean, he was, you know, one of my favorite prospects coming out. And, man, he is, he's dominating. And the connection with Baker. I mean, we, you know, when I was making the case for him earlier this season, we brought up Baker's quotes in the off season, unsolicited quotes, talking about like, what are you excited about for the Buccaneers this year? And he's just like, Emeka Habuka. This kid is legit. He's real.

he's you know now the quotes are just talking about how like he's just got it all figured out as a man like as a person one of one yeah no and you listen to his interviews he's a different dude he's he's awesome jamar chase was number two on the week that was a little stinky um no two touchdown no no no no I know know but it was if you want to talk garbage time I mean they're getting blown out it was like both touchdowns were a little late I mean they're they're coming back they were both second half jimar chase is I will say this look this is why you play jimar chase every week yes halfway through the third quarter, you were like, I can't play Jamar Chis. No, I get it. JASN, welcome back to the top five. He's a machine. Jalen Waddle, this was awesome to see. Yeah. Jalen Waddle, when there's

no Tyreek heavily involved, if you played Waddle, if you played Waller, which, by the way, I could not get those names straight on Sunday morning. Al can attest to that. No matter what I was saying, I'd say the opposite name. Jalen Waller. Yeah. But it was great to see. He also instantaneously limped off the field. I mean, it's, he caught, he caught a pass. that was a normal pass right now oh yeah nothing happened yeah nothing happened at all it's like he's got sensitive skin i don't know what it is this is why i think i made the comment his two trainers were helping him off the field yeah you said his two best friends it goes waddled his two best friends yeah i mean this is how i know he listens to the show because he's in on the bit yeah he's got to be

he came right back and was fine and debo debo once again in the top five 19.6 points that touchdown made me so unhappy. I mean, it's against me. Yeah, that was my only shot. It's the weirdest touchdown because it's kind of, it was like a garbage time touchdown, but you don't usually have garbage time touchdowns from the lead. No, the Cardinals would never.

No, it was like they were like, you know, let's just, we got to throw it around. I'll wait and take as much clock as I can and then throw it to the back. And it was just garbage time winning touchdown. And Stefan Diggs also had 19.6 points along with Divo. And Diggs was a machine. You have brought up, last week you brought up Diggs about the fact that, you know, he was off to a slow start by getting more and more involved. The fact, you know, last week he was 63% of the snaps. He was up to seven targets.

Had 100 yards. He was starting to get finally used down the field. And then, lo and behold, I know this was revenge game coming back to Buffalo and... Hold on a second. I just got the worst tradeoff I've ever seen in my life. Oh, please tell me it's from someone in this room. It's from Papa Josh. Of course it's from Papa Josh.

Let me ask you, Jason. Are you interested in Tori Horton and a six-round pick for Jacori Kroski-Marrett? Are you kidding me? Because that's what I've been offered. You? No, they did not offer. Tori Horton? And a six?

What? You don't get to do this during this show and not get called out on this one. How do you turn that down? I don't know. Maybe after we got done talking about it being his breakout game and how he finished in the top five, that really motivated Josh. They're like, oh. I mean, this is like, we should go get him. This is the Amari Demarcato of trade offers.

Now keep in mind that, so six-round pick, we are, we're a three-round keeper league. Yeah, it's like a ninth. So it's like a ninth round pick. Yeah. And if I could explode his computer right now, I would do it. I mean, Tori Horton. I'm going to decline that one. He had a touchdown.

Yeah. Yeah, that's not good. All right, moving on. Sorry, you were talking about digs. You were giving me some praise or something. Yeah. This was obviously a, you know, a very important game to Diggs coming back to Buffalo, who, you know, basically didn't want him anymore and sent him packing. But more importantly, he is healthy.

It looks like he's back from the ACL injury. This is two weeks in row over 100 yards. The volume is, you know, I went pretty. And Drake May is playing great. Drake May is playing really, really well. I, week one, I went decently hard in most of my leagues after. booty. Because I see where the value of the, if there is a clear cut wide receiver one for the Patriots, where target volume is predictable, there's value to be had there. And it, and it might,

it seems like it's not booty. It seems like now that Diggs is getting healthy, the guy that they paid a lot of money this offseason to come, you know, be a leader in this locker room, you know, he's going to still be on some waivers and needs to be, I think, paid a lot. He's ramping up, and the Drake made confidence. It made sense to go after he thought would be their best target. And we thought that maybe Stefan Diggs would be kind of stuck in the eight to ten yard range. It didn't happen. Diggs has been such a funny roller coaster of an offseason.

When we finished the UDK, when we launched the UDK, he was in there as, I forget if it was values or, you know, I think it was in the values. He was one of those guys just seemed like a perfect situation. for him but then the reports were well he might not you might start on the pup and so we took him out and then it was like okay he's not going to be ready for the beginning of season now he is going to be ready for the season now he's there but he's not really

used it seems like now he is the wide receiver won and I'll play him oh yeah I think you should 41 and 43% of the team's targets the last two weeks second highest receiver was Hunter Henry and what an impressive win by New England yeah I mean that's great you want that you want some like

competition in that division. Let's have some fun. Like Vrable, I have always had a man crush for Vrable. I think he is a phenomenal head coach. He is exactly what he is a, he's a Dan Campbell, he is someone that's going to lead them in, he has a culture. It's different than Dan Campbell's. What would you do if Drew Patsing was on his staff? He would never have hired Drew Petsing, but if he was on his staff, he would take him up to a bridge. Okay. And he would say, Drew, come here. Yeah. And then he'd say, I want to show you something. And then he would throw him off the bridge. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the kind of man he is. Yeah. A man we respect. He would take him to the train station, Wyoming. Yeah, the train station. Oh, we do not condone

violence. No, no, no. Pooka, machine like every week. Rashid Shaheed. He was a DFS dart throw and he had like a 900 yard touchdown in this game. Kendrick Bourne, the born supremacy, got it done. Tim. Yeah. I was on the DeMarcus Robinson. So was I. I thought he would be the guy. Because the Bourne's drops the week before. Yeah, but it was, he was born again. Okay, nice. A.J. Barner,

Jake Ferguson, Theo Johnson. I think all three of those guys caught two touchdowns, am I right? That is correct. That'll help. Yeah. Sam LaPorte and Darren Waller also caught touchdowns. Waller Waller looks like a top five guy next to the rest of

season. To me. To me. He appears there's that way. I mean, the fact that you have him involved right off the bat especially involved around the red zone oriented too. You need, this is like an archetype of a player that the Miami Dolphins

desperately needed. And then when you combine that with looking at, you know, last year Jonu Smith was the tight end four and they lost Harry Kill. So this is both necessary and perfect for the team.

have Waller, you can lock him in. Shout out to the first 100-yard game for Dalton Kincaid in his career, who is now the tight end. The start of the week? Two. He is the tight-in two. Is he really? Yes.

Oh, man. Yes, he is earning our praise. Tyler Warren had another touchdown. And then Meowston Taylor, nine for 67. Twelve targets. Kyle threw in this stat since 2000, there are only two rookie tight-ins ever to see 12-plus targets in a game within their first five games. Brock Bowers, Mason, Taylor.

All right, we'll take a break. We'll talk duds where we're more comfortable. There was a famous Cardinal game in the Denny Green era. On Monday night football. Chicago Bears. They are who we thought they are game, where they kicked the ball to Devin Hester. showing the reckless stupidity that defines our franchise.

And that was at the time and for many years following the most embarrassing public defeat of our lives until yesterday. Yeah, yesterday. We let the Titans off the hook. We let them off the hook.

Man, the Titans... I mean, the victory speech by the Titans and Brian Callahan in the locker room, he couldn't see it. He couldn't even keep... He couldn't even go in there and be like, you guys did this he had to be like sometimes you need some things to go your way he had to he had

to equivocate on his victory is that because the titans absolutely suck i mean like they're oh and four they look terrible on in all phases of the game cam war does not look like he is ready yet he had moments in that game sure but moments i mean he had Calvin ridley throw Calvin ridley he had a moment but they won the game they won the game that is I mean, it's so embarrassing. You don't often win by a fumbled pick. But look, the Cardinal season is unequivocally over. They don't play a sub-500 team for a long time.

They're going to get their anuses handed to them in Indianapolis next week. Oh, yeah. And then they're going to proceed to have that happen over and over again until we fire the guys. So if you want to fire them now and give our offense some hope for fantasy, that's my position. I'm also thinking through the lens of, hey, What if we had a normalish middle-of-the-road offense where Marvin Harrison is targeted? He was dominating. Marvin Harrison was dominating.

I don't think he got targeted for 26 consecutive plays. He finished at a 17% target share, which is very low. It's the lowest of the season in a game in which he had, what, 70 plus receiving yards and was... Well, you've got to keep in mind, we had a lead. So once you have a lead... Oh, that's when you stop playing. Stop playing football. Leads are permanent. Once you get it, it's locked.

All right, I'm still mad. all right duds of the week justin herbert ew 166 and 1 he's been a real bad for fantasy since the week 1 explosion they had some really really unfortunate turnovers in this game honestly that the the score of this game 10 to 27 seems like they got just beat up but they were they were up 10 nothing and it was a close game for many for the majority of it but everything went wrong when it like as soon as you needed something to happen, something went wrong for them. And they have now, they lost to the Giants, and now they lost again to the commanders. Justin Herbert, if you throw out week one, which was his super

performance, right? The season pace, so four games played since then, his pace is 3,800 yards and 21 touchdowns. With 17 interceptions. The touchdowns are the big issue here. If you look at what the Chargers are scoring

offensively, 10 points this week. 18 points the week prior, 23 points a week prior, 20 points the week. Like, they're just, they aren't, they aren't scoring enough to have as good enough fantasy relevance as you want. And it's genuinely, I think it's the offensive line. Like, at the very beginning of the year, it looked like, how do you stop this offense? And now with the injuries they've had, it's like, you see at every play. I know how to stop the offense. Get three guys in Justin Herbert's face as soon as the ball gets there. No, you're right. And despite the victory, Drake May was actually really bad for fantasy. He did not throw a touchdown

on pass. He looked good. He played well, but yeah, if touchdowns get... Yeah, 12 fantasy points. When Ramandre has the two rushing touchdowns, it was kind of like Dak Prescott, week one. He dominated the game. It looked awesome. It was the quarterback 29. Yep. It was all Giovante touchdowns.

We also had the first dud of the season and it was a big one for James Cook, only 4.9 fantasy points. So he's in our duds list. Alvin Camara, it seemed like he was constantly like being targeted or handed the football but then like this one was not really true because he went out hurt i don't know if you saw this he limped off the field at one point came back the snap counts for kendre miller 13 percent 16 percent then 27 percent and 32 percent now 41

percent he had more carries in this game than alvin camara did and he's he seems like on the rushing attack not not in the passing game but in the rushing attack it seems like it's it's a scary proposition that it could be a 50-50 split We're too early to definitively say that. They could trade Camara. Still don't know with that contract. I know, but it's, I mean, the rumors are out there, but from a lot of teams. The contract is worth it if you have a major injury.

Think about playoff-bound teams, too. If somebody goes down, you know, God forbid Seiquant or somebody, they'll spend the money to try to repeat. Chase Brown, this might as well be called the Chase Brown Duds of the Week section. He is not finished inside the top 24. He is one of the worst picks in. fantasy. Part of it is his fault. Part of it is not his fault. Part of it is the offensive line. Part of it is Jake Brownie, who probably will not start another game for that team. I think Jake Browning starts next week. Well, the team has at least come out and said that

they are looking hard at it. Yeah. The turnovers have been outrageous. Since 2014, there have been 246 running max who've seen 80 plus touches through the first five weeks of the season. 246 times. That's a lot of sample. Chase Brown, in total yards from scrimmage, ranks 246th. That's the least you've ever done out of that many... Out of anyone who's touched the ball that much... He's the least. He's the least of a lot. If I had touched it 80 times, I would have been the least.

Correct. You would have been 246th, but instead is Chase Brown, who's 246th. This one was crazy to me, and Woody Marks, I mean, this was a huge whiff. I had two major whiffs on the week. Woody Marks was one of them. Jacoby Myers was the other one. Woody Mark, 7 for 24. He had a big run called back. He had 39% of the snaps.

This game, you look at the snaps and you say, okay, he had more snaps than Nick Chubb. That matters to me. Yeah. But then you see Damien Piers got snaps. 100% of the Damian Piers' snaps came when they were up like 40 to 3. So I don't care about those. They have a buy week, though.

And then it's a tough start now because Nick Chub had the touchdown run. and they gave Nick Chubb the first driver to, and it's just... It's wild to me to come off of a game where you get 22 opportunities, 17 rushing attempts, have the coach say, we're excited to get him the ball more, and then come in the next week and you give him seven rushing attempts. It made no sense to me, and you can say, oh, it was a blowout, but it was a blowout the week prior. They won 26 to nothing.

No, you're right. And the other part of this game was like there wasn't a checkdown situation. Like C.J. Stroud threw four touchdowns. He didn't need to check the ball down because the pass rush was non-existent from this Baltimore defense that felt like they had seven guys out there. So he didn't get any catches. It was really not great. I mean, it was just a process. I thought the process was right and it didn't work out at all.

So it's a whiff. Trayvion Henderson, six for 24. Can't play him right now. He's going to keep hurting people with this Antonio Gibson injury. Yeah, there's always a reason to play him. There's always a reason to play him. Like genuinely, next week, he might be a good play, genuinely, against the Saints. Without Gibson, he might be a good play.

But so far he has not yet been. No, that's, it's, it's, uh, it's not great. Derek Henry, 15 for 33 and a touchdown. Saved himself with the touchdown, but he has, he has not looked great and without Lamar. You know, I was shocked he was in the game for that touchdown because that was a garbage time touchdown. I was hopeful that Derek Henry would really dominate this. he was a run back 24 so far on the week, but man, week one, 169 yards and two touchdowns looked unstoppable, had a couple more big plays the next week, even though he had fumbles

that kind of took away from it. But if you look from the last month after that week one, just like we were doing with Herbert, he is on pace for 195 attempts and 629 rushing yards. Well, and you got an injury for a little while here. They're one in four? Yeah. What is Derek Henry good at? Scoring lots of fantasy points when they win. Yeah. When they don't win, Derek Henry.

This is the same with Tennessee. When they don't win, you don't win. That's kind of the way it goes. You better hope for snow in Vermont. They've got the Rams this week, then a buy week. So we don't know if Lamar is going to play, but obviously if they don't play Lamar this week, they get. If you could trade, here's the trade.

You take Derek Henry and you throw somebody half decent with him and you try to get Jacobs because you'd skip the buy week. Oh, I would do that in a heart. I mean, I think that you could probably. No, you could get it done if you put the right player in there. You've got to give more than Derek Henry. If somebody sees that Derek Henry name and then you can throw him a wide receiver that's performing pretty well, I don't know.

That's what I would try to do because this is the time of year with the buy weeks, too. When you make trades of major names for major names, if you can skip a biweek, it makes a big difference. That's a, you know, a big deal. Quentin Johnston had his first dud of this season. It wasn't great for him It wasn't great for Keenan Allen We did see your start of the week

Glad McConkey scored a touchdown He also, I don't know if you saw this play Jason In your in your uh He scored two touchdowns Yeah I was going to say They called his return touchdown back That was the second touchdown Made a bunch of great moves

It was awesome He hurtled the guy at the end He did and it was an embarrassing hurdle for that person Oh yeah Oh yeah That was a kicker that stood like three yards from the end zone And then got cooked AJ Brown

I mean he's been the wide receiver 46 or worse in four or five weeks I offered you D-ball for him last week that would have really locked up your victory or if he was one yard faster on a run he would be like the wide receiver 15 is that what you're going to hold on to

for AJ Brown moving forward? Yeah I know AJ Brown has had stretches hips and butts candy and nuts yeah I mean you look back at remember 2020 where the first half of the season, the first nine weeks, he was, he had like the NFL record for most 135-yard games in a row was dominant. And then the end of the season, he was on pace for nothing.

You know, he was like 800-yard pace and was terrible. This happens sometimes on this team, but I still think AJ Brown is someone you're not going to move on from. So don't send that offer back over. You can send it. Here's a red alert situation at this point. Jameson Williams, one target, one catch, nine yards. The worry when we talked about Jameson for the week was that they might not need him to win this game.

Well, they clearly won it without him because he is not doing well. 2.2 receptions a game, 45 receiving yards a game. He's on a ton of rosters. I believed in him going into the season. Right now, I'm sure he'll show up on a cut. cut list for waiver wayver day yeah it's really tough you you want him is a good wide receiver on a great offense and that's usually a recipe for success but the way that he is utilized he is not his he has one game in his career with more than five receptions and so we're

pretty far into a career for that to be the case you know we in the in the duds or in the studs section you know we're talking about old man stephan digs with 10 catches we're talking about Kendrick Bourne with 10 catches. You know, it's like we got one game with six catches in his career and nothing more than that. It's scary from a consistency. You're just waiting on a big play and it's not a good place to be. AJ Brown is the wide receiver 39 right now.

Jameson Williams is the wide receiver 43 right now. Yeah. So if you play, I mean, AJ Brown, Jameson Williams, that could have been your. I mean, I've got AJ Brown. I've started him every single week in the League of Record. And it has been a not fun process. Not fun. That's a good way to describe Chris Godwin right now. Three for 26 in a game that Abuka dominated. Godwin, this was the worry. Like, people wanted to start him because of the name. You know, he's coming off a major injury. Not the same dude. Yeah, when you... You can't play him. No. I mean, when you come back from an injury, it's often hard. Look at Stefan Diggs. Stefan Diggs was ready to start the season, but not really. Right. It took some time for him to work himself back in. You know, last week, Chris Godwin had 10 targets.

And ended up with three for 26. He's not, you know, he's not the, he's not the Chris Godwin of old right now. No Brock Bowers, no Michael Mayer. Gino Smith still couldn't do anything with his receiving group. Gina Smith has been probably to me, to my eyeballs, like the biggest disappointment in the NFL. He's looked awful. And he, and he didn't. He didn't until all of a sudden this year.

He goes to the Raiders and it's like, he out of Seattle Seahawks look so smart, making the swap. looking great. Jacoby Myers, four for 32 in a game where I thought, like, I mentioned this. I don't know if you saw it, Jay. His seven plus reception line was minus 103 on the sports books. He ends up with six targets, four for 32. Managed to survive my prize pick projection for the Friday by getting over three and a half, but it was gross. I thought he'd be a great start this week. The target share is non-existent. Tray Tucker got a bunch of targets again. this team is pretty darn bad they're a really really bad team no brock bowers right now the targeting of ashen ginty is encouraging because the offensive line is so beat up ginty was heavily involved in the receiving game again this week yeah he had seven targets

I was going to say yeah I was seven targets yeah that's that's outrageous well it's great and it's the first time we've seen it this season where he's like hyper targeted in the run game And I think it was in the passing game. And he was, you know, this probably was due to the fact that they were missing their left tackle. Yeah, and no Brock Bowers. Tray McBride, where are you with McBride? It's actually been, it's been rough. Like, Tray McBride on the season, still the tight-in five, but you've had, I would say three games that you were just kind of bummed out.

A little disappointed. He's only got one receiving touchdown. Yeah. He's still that guy. He's still the guy. He's still the number one target in this offense. The offense is just. Well, honestly, you look at the highest drafted tight ends, right?

Brock Bowers just crushed people. Trey McBride has not returned value there. George Kittle looked like he was going to smash it but got injured. Right. So those high tight end selections have not worked out so far. Yeah, no, that's a good point. In our chopped leagues, the Brock Bowers manager has been chopped twice, and the Trey McBride manager this week is looking like he's going to get chopped.

And what's his name? Mike the fantasy hit man right. So you were last week. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. The early tight ends not working out so far. How about Zach Erd's not working out?

Oh, that's unfortunate for me. One target, zero receptions. A full goose. Joanne Johnson, two for 17. He got injured, right? He was limited or something. He was questionable coming into the game. He played.

Okay. But, I mean, the Joanne Johnson experience is slowing down. because we've had the basically three for 28, two for 17. So, you know, ew. Hunter Henry did, he was second on the team in receiving yards, but just two for 46 in this game. Drake may didn't throw a

passing touchdown. Mark Andrews, Isaiah likely, did nothing with Cooper Rush. And that was Studs and Duds presented by Lowe's. Lowe's knows Sundays are for NFL football. Earn your Sunday with Lowe's official partner of the N. We did it.

We got through it. Any news on Cardinals firing people? I have not seen Bidwell. It would make me feel better. I've not seen any of the Bidwell step aside yet. That's not going to happen. They own the team. Yeah, but just step aside.

You think about picking a new team? I'm thinking about it every minute. Or giving up football maybe? No, I love football. Yeah. You were so excited. to have the Cardinals as a team you could care about this year? I said so many times going into the season.

Like, it's been so long since I thought we had a chance to root and care about home games, about the home team. And no, we don't. We don't. Grosser performance. Cardinals this week, Josh is trade offer. This was a historically, epically bad trade offer. So I'm going to take it.

I just impressed it. You just sent me another one? Oh, Josh getting the screen time today. Oh, man. Let's go ahead and. It is such a Josh straight offer, man. I know. All right, let's take a look.

And anything you offer them, you get made fun of that it's like this terrible offer, but it's never a terrible. He's out there. Kyle Pitts for a third was a terrible offer. Kyle Pitts for a third? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the tight end position is pretty rough. We just talked about it.

he upped it he included tory horton and upped it to a four so i'm going to hit the outro yeah that is going to do it for this morning's show we've got a waiver wire episode tomorrow big names to get into good luck in your monday night football game unless your name's travis et n or travis hunter all the travis is go travis thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast join our fantasy football community on join the foot.com and follow us on Twitter at the ff ballers.