Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Week 5 Studs & Duds + Red Alert Offenses - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/7

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

Week 5 fantasy football recap on today’s podcast! Which bad performances and boring offenses are the most concerning going forward? Which of the top weekly finishers can do it again in Week 6? Plus, injury news, and Monday Punday! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for October 7th, 2024. (00:00) - Intro (03:14) - Monday Punday (08:15) - Ready to Roll (21:50) - NFL News  (34:25) - Fantasy Football Studs (34:40) - QB Studs  (40:25) - RB Studs (48:35) - WR Studs (54:00) - TE Studs (56:50) - Fantasy Football Duds (56:55) - QB Duds (57:55) - RB Duds (01:01:00) - WR Duds (01:11:20) - TE Duds Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Ready to Roll presented by Nissan. Visit https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/crossovers-suvs/pathfinder/rock-creek-edition.html News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hey, this is Patrick Mahomes, quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Monday, October 7th. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Jason Moore, Andy Holloway with you today. And another week to react to. We've got studs and duds on the show today. We've got NFL news.

We've got injuries to talk about. This feels like a really big studs and duds week. Like you had some monstrous performances like extreme production. And then you have some of the most started players failing miserably. Yeah, we got one more game left in week five.

And I'm thinking tomorrow on the show after we conclude week five in its entirety. I want to go through the top five at every position tomorrow. I want to look at who's there five weeks into the season. And then I want to ask you whether you think they stick around or, or they finished within about five spots of where they are today, because,

you know, we've got some data at this point in time and we had expectations for certain players this week that did and didn't deliver. We're getting into all of it today. I want to invite everybody to check out jointhefoot.com if you want to join an incredible community of fantasy football players, the Foot Clan. You can find out details at jointhefoot.com. You get an extra episode of the show every week, Premium Tools,

the Ultimate Dashboard, which is coming very soon to a mobile device near you as well. And the website's thefantasyfootballers.com for all of our rankings and everything. The great articles by the great writing staff that we have assembled by sheer luck. Slash Kyle. Yeah, I was going to say, Kyle's done great work. Brooks would like us to know that we're doing

a fantasy draft redo on Wednesday. Those are super fun, and that kind of, in part, does what you're talking about, where you're going to do it over. If we were to do the draft today, who's the first pick, who's second, etc.? Yeah, maybe I'll save those numbers for

Wednesday, but that should be fun. We do react to the weekend, and the only way we know how, which is to put the word out to the Foot Clan. Get sophisticated with some Monday Punday. And we'll kick it off with Brock Powers. Oh, baby. First touchdown. He's good.

Darnell Money. Yeah. Rico. Mike's not here. It's such a shame. I know. This was his. First touch to him. He's good. Darnell Money. Yeah, Rico. Mike's not here. It's such a shame. I know. This was his. Rico Woudle. Oh, thanks, Bigsby. Oh, great.

So I get T.D. Higgins. You got Kraft Mac and T.D.s. Yeah, he double T.D.s. Flying Thomas Jr. Oh, check in at the Better Business Borough That's so dumb DJ, more of that please Whoa, Flacco

But it wasn't all good, Andy No, it wasn't, and that's why we have Dontavian Oh, he was the worst this week Dontavian whiffs And then of course, Devon Akepain Mark Blandrews Hey, he had catches this week. He did have catches.

Such a high bar for him. Xavier Regrets. I like that. Breece Small. Debo Shamuel. George picking someone else for my team. And Cortland Nothing. Starvin Harrison Jr.

And right after, the sacrificial baby. Yeah, of course. He's now Benedict Darnold. Hungry for more. And finally, David Najok, who's on you. Oh. That's really not fair. Because he got Najok's on you.

Okay. You do it. He, if you're not familiar with his work this week, he caught the first pass on the first play of the game and then played more snaps but got injured. Yeah, it was a knee injury, though. It wasn't a re-injury, which is really a shame. He's going to get an MRI today. He had just talked about how upset he was that he had been missing time. So it's always hard when that happens.

That does feel like it's unfortunate it's not his fault. I don't ever want to shame an injury, but it does feel like a jokes on you situation where it's like, I'm back! Ha ha! Gotcha! Yeah, I was benching this week to see because we knew the snap counts would be limited, but you never know

if a player's compensating for an injury too and that's how they get hurt again. Yeah, I didn't see the play where he got got injured but uh obviously we'll we'll find out more this week i don't recommend watching that game i don't think you want to watch cleveland holy moly why i mean every time we would look over to the browns tv it was like just put a sheet on it put it like oh yeah pull the sheet over? Just it's done. I can't watch Voldemort play football anymore. Is that football? That's football, what he's doing?

He's trying. Head coach came out and said he is the quarterback. He who shall not be named will continue being our starting quarterback, which means the Browns offense will continue to suck. Yeah, and then Marty Cooper will continue to get 10 to 12 targets and catch four of them. Because he got five catchable. He'll drop one.

He'll drop one, he'll catch four, and he'll be targeted 10 to 15 times. It's very difficult to watch. They could use Joe Flacco. Yeah. I mean, the teams that could use Joe Flacco right now, there are more than one oh yeah and uh it was reported that those are the exact teams that turned Joe Flacco down this offseason before he went to the Colts like the Miami Dolphins I mean the Miami Dolphins have Devon Achan, Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddell you put put Joe Flacco there, and this team is just marching towards the playoffs.

Yeah, and Jalen Waddell would be fine, and Tyreek would be great, and A. Chan would be great. Yeah, Joe Flacco's a leader. Insane. Insane when you have a quarterback with the known. And he always throws for 300. Yeah, I mean, he's great. I love him.

So what do you do? I mean, let's just talk about it for two seconds, because we know. I think Indianapolis can win. Their chances to win are better with Joe Flacco right now, but their future is not Joe Flacco at all. And it's not like Richardson's not going right back into the lineup, but what a weird place to be as a team where you know your chances to win go down and you continue to make that decision.

Yeah, I mean, the whole world knows it. The whole world knows that the team operates better, the offense operates better, the wide receivers have more success with Joe Flacco than with Anthony Richardson. Obviously, they are not a team in a championship window yet. They are building to the future, and that's not what old man Joe Flacco is going to provide you so they do need to build the team around Anthony Richardson I think that's what I would do as a general manager what you'd hope to do at this point now is put Anthony Richardson behind someone like Joe Flacco but they can't do that anymore you know you can't go backwards no you can't Jacoby Brissett got the start so he can keep starting. Exactly.

But, yeah, just a flashback. Joe Flacco last year, his final four regular season games, 31 points, 20 points, 36 points, 37 points with Cleveland. They won all four games. Yeah. They won all four of those games, and he was a top ten quarterback in all four of those games, including number one overall in week 16. Let him go.

Let him cook man goodness all right let's kick it off welcome to ready to roll presented by nissan all right ready to roll today. We're looking for those. We're always looking for the little edges in fantasy football, but five weeks in, it's fun to take a look at where teams are at this juncture of the season. And so today we want to look a little bit at pace of play and what teams are very fast-paced so far this year,

what teams are slow, and how that impacts fantasy football. Now, there are about three or four different ways to look at pace of play. You can look at the totality of plays per game, just raw total plays that can get distorted by overtime games or maybe weird game scripts where the defense scores and the offense doesn't have the ball a lot. You can look at seconds per play. So teams that are leaving a bunch of time on the play clock that are, you know, running no huddle, which is another way to look at it because you're going to get more plays

in a game when you are running no huddle. More opportunities for fantasy obviously come along with running more plays. So it's very, very important. And then probably the most ideal in the way that we like to look at it, what is the neutral pace of a team? What are their seconds per play when they are within one score of the other team? And they're not, yeah, we look at that for pace of play. We also look at that for pass rate.

That's, you know, obviously if you're down two scores and it's the fourth quarter and clock's running out, you can't run the ball anymore. You've got to throw the ball. So at the end of the game, you look back and you're like, oh, they they threw the ball a lot it's like that's not what the team wants to do if the team is up if the team is just in a in a battle those type of things neutral game script is probably the most indicative of future uh happenings yeah the most predictive yeah i agree there is an article coming out on the site today. If you want to dig in deeper than what we talk about here in the articles called defining pace of play and why it matters. We also do a weekly pace of play article on the DFS pass, but I want to highlight three fast paced teams through five weeks and in a couple, two, three slower paced teams so that

you have an idea of maybe where we're headed. at a minimum this gives us a little bit of a predictive analysis on is what you're seeing going to keep happening on some of these teams or inversely when you're waiting for somebody to perform do they really have a chance to perform moving forward i think that one is maybe even more important for fantasy like it's pretty easy to stay in the flames of someone on fire it's like we're the first team we're going to talk about here's the commanders yeah they're just unstoppable i mean their offense through the first month of the season is almost unstoppable no one's been able to slow them down extreme fast pace of play if you got jayden dan in your lineup, you've been starting him.

But prescriptive-wise, guess what? Keep starting Jaden Daniels. You don't need to be told. No, no, but you can be excited about the fact that they're number one in no huddle rate. They are no huddle more than 50% of the time this year. It's what Cliff did in Arizona, but he's doing it to an even greater extent now in Washington. With the amount of scrambles by Jaden Daniels on top of the fast

pace of play, it's exciting for Terry McLaurin's potential to be valuable on a week-to-week basis and maybe somebody else emerging on a week-to-week basis, whether that ends up being Zach Hurts one week and Diami Brown another week or whatever the case may be. Yeah, the no huddle has been certainly working well, keeping the defenses from adjusting. I mean, Cliff Kingsbury has four of the six fastest no huddle or highest rate of no huddle teams since 2016,

and this version is faster than any of his Arizona Cardinal versions. Another team playing very fast at least the last two weeks, the Indianapolis Colts, number two this year in seconds per play, nine in no huddle rank. But it has been a very big contrast going from Richardson to Flacco. Last year, they were very up-tempo with Gardner. First three weeks of the year, not the case in the plays per game tally because they weren't having as much success either with Anthony Richardson. But the last two weeks, plays per

game have gone way up. 64 and 69 under Flacco. They were in the 40s and 50s under Richardson. So I guess we know with Indianapolis what they want to do, but they're just having more success doing it with Joe Flacco in terms of sustained drives, completed passes, third downs picked up, and more plays per game. I would love to

see. I also think it's not necessarily just what they want to do, but what matches their personnel. they're slowing it down with Anthony Richardson because you know he isn't going to be the stand in the pocket and make all the quick throws and and you know short screen plays and get to the line like that's I I you know I think Steichen is doing a good job matching his personnel um but he matches better I feel like with these uh these quick-passing quarterbacks.

And then three other teams that are playing very fast, the Cowboys, number one in seconds per play. So they're playing very fast, ninth overall in total plays. Seattle, third in seconds per play. And these are two teams, both of them in the top five in pass percentage, pass rate. So very good signs for, you know, we just saw Jalen Tolbert have a big game. And Brandon Cooks is missing time.

Yeah. And they pass the ball almost more than anybody in football and have more plays. And their defense isn't very good. So, like, Jalen Tolbert as a streaming option moving forward could be interesting or Jake Ferguson as we continue to endorse him yeah I mean we we saw last year the involvement and the touchdown um the the touchdown frequency for Brandon Cooks so if he's gone obviously that

role is important to to Dak and to the Cowboys the the Seahawks offense has just been a delight with the changeover leaving Shane Waldron. But ironically, Shane Waldron's led Bears, hey, they came to life a little bit this week. And that's an interesting discussion because they're number two in no huddle rate this year. They're number seven in seconds per play. And they're number five in total plays run. And then they had this big breakout game

where the passer rating for Caleb Williams has increased every week of the season, or I think the first two weeks were very similar, but then the past two have been very good. Going into week five, great performance. DJ Moore was great. He looked so good, and his ability with his legs, it was great.

Now, you got to pump you know a little bit and say okay this is the Carolina Panthers like so far everyone Carolina pump yeah the Carolina pump there's uh so just you know don't get don't get too crazy excited that being said Jacksonville Jaguars are the next matchup then the Commanders then the Arizona Cardinals so yeah and those are seasonal ranks in terms of the no huddle rank and the plays per game. So maybe they were underwhelming a little bit, and there's a median between the two. Slow-paced teams. This is where it gets more interesting to me because there are two teams

that I want to highlight here that have been fantasy football juggernauts for years that may need to be reclassified. We began the process of reclassification when we said trade away Patrick Mahomes. We did a couple weeks ago. With Mahomes, we said, look, this is not an every week starter. The way they're running their offense, there's a streaming candidate and there's not even a good streaming candidate usually in Mahomes. But we see that when you look at the pace of play, that kind of highlights.

20th in total plays per game. 30th in no huddle rank for the Chiefs. 20th in seconds per play. They are methodical. Their pass rate above expectation was always 6, 7, 8, 9, 10% higher than the league average. This year it is the league average. Yeah, gross. Which means you're not throwing it as much

and you're not running as many plays. And losing Rushie Rice and even losing Isaiah Pacheco, I think that is just going to continue to slow the offense down and win more grueling battles. But the other team here, who ranks 31st in plays, 25th in seconds per play, 23rd and no huddle 26th in past percentage rank and has been pretty putrid the last two weeks.

What do we make of the Buffalo bills? It's a problem. It's a problem. They, they don't have reliable pass catchers, it seems, outside of Shakir, who missed this game. They're methodical. They're running the football.

Fewer total opportunities. Seventh in rush rank this season. And this is just a continuation of what we saw under Joe Brady last year, where they were 31st in pass rate. So this year they're 26th.

But last year at least they were number one in plays per game. Now they're, what are they, 31st. So this is, when I look at the game and I'm like, I want opportunities for Dalton Kincaid, right? Every time I look at the screen, where are they? They're on the bench and their defense is on the field. They're not playing. Part of that is the Bills' rush defense has been very, very poor. And so when other teams are able to stay on the field a long time and control the... I mean,

if I'm playing against the Bills, I want to keep Josh Allen on the sideline. I guess unless it was this last week, I would have wanted him out there. You realize how bad he was? Nine for 30. That's a 30. Nine for 30? Nine for, he threw the ball 30 times. He completed nine of those.

30% completion rate. We did just talk about like the lows for Josh Allen are lower than they've ever been in terms of the fact that he's got two sub-10-point weeks. What was his fantasy output this week? 14 fantasy points. Yeah, I mean, that's not – He did have a – That means there's three weeks where he's been disappointed.

Yeah, I mean, right now he's the quarterback 19 on the week with still a game to go. So he's – you know, this was obviously a bust week. Last week was a bust week. Week two was a bust week. So two good games, three bad games. And the pace of play and the way they want to continue to run the ball, it's scary, especially when you factor in the fact that they don't have a wide receiver.

No, nine for 30 is insane. They could really use Stephon Diggs. Jets next week, Tennessee, Seattle. So next three matchups, not cakewalks at all on the defensive side of the football. One touchdown pass over the last two weeks for Josh Allen. You got, when he came out in week one, because I'm going to point this out, your prediction on Josh Allen at the live show was hero to zero on the basis that he would start hot and slow down his first week in the

season despite the fact you said that the way that you said it you got a lot of grief from him being number one overall quarterback as though your projection was every week I said he was going to get off to a hot start and he did but then it's been slow and the and the low is lower and it's not working to have you know Keon Coleman got hit in the back of the helmet oh my gosh if you haven't seen this play it is the funniest play I mean you want to talk about a a good pass. I've never seen someone hit in the back of the helmet by their quarterback. He got targeted and thrown exactly to him, and

it's not like he didn't get his head around in time. He never thought about maybe he was going to get the ball passed to him. It's hard to be on the same page with Matt Collins, Curtis Samuel, and Keon Coleman, who made a great play in the game, scored a touchdown,

outran the coverage. Credit due. He's the best of what they got right now. But like, this is not an offense that is going to be predictive in terms of like these numbers, these background numbers are telling you what you are seeing on the field.

So Buffalo and Kansas City are kind of red alerts right now in terms of the offensive side. And then three other teams, I mean, not surprising, dead last in the NFL in plays per game, the Chargers. They want to put you to sleep. The Saints, you know, the hot start, but they're almost dead last in pass rank. They are dead last in pass rank. So, you know, Olave, Shahid, I'm sorry. It's a little bit concerning. And maybe that's why they're mentioned with Devontae Adams right now, is because they don't like what they got.

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slow pace of play category probably not going to get the Ravens-Bengals game or the Tampa Bay-Atlanta game we got on Thursday. Yeah, the over-under right now is set at 43 for tonight's matchup. I think that feels probably about right. Feels right. But the real question is, will we be putting another sticker on the bald-headed thermometer behind you? Nope.

No? No. The Chiefs are seven and a half point favorite. They won't win by that, I don't think, but they will win. The refs will make sure of that. Alright, the news for the day. Rashi Rice. We got news this morning from Adam Schefter that the

Chiefs remain hopeful that he can return this season and maybe miss six to eight weeks. He still needs to undergo a knee scope to confirm any optimism. Yeah, that's such a weird thing to me. Like they don't know and no new information has come out. Aren't all teams hopeful? That's what I'm saying.

They're reporting that they're hopeful. Me too. Yeah, me too. I'm hopeful that Puka comes back and dominates. I mean, like Dave and the joke is getting an MRI. Imagine the Browns come out and go, we're really pessimistic and we hope it doesn't turn out good. Right. Imagine the Browns come out and go, we're really pessimistic, and we hope it doesn't turn out good.

Right. Yeah, that makes no sense. So, okay. I hope he's back, too. The Rams are targeting a week seven return for Cooper Cup. That's great. Post-bye. Yep, that means four weeks, but only three games missed because they have that bye.

That'd be great. That'd be big time. Aaron Jones left early with a hip injury, did not come back into the Vikings game they I will say this I mean I don't know how much of it was just early game script like what you've seen with Kyler where he's he's great and scripted and then as the game goes on not as good Darnold looked amazing to start the game and then kind of collapsed losing Aaron Jones was a big part but that is the point it's. I think Aaron Jones is more important to this offense than we realize because his efficiency has really opened things up. They were up 17 points

and driving when Ty Chandler fumbled the football and turned the game around and then the Jets almost came back to win. Devon A. Chan, Jason, your season of... Oh my goodness gracious. I mean this was a subplot for Devon A. Chan going into the year was the injury-prone situation.

But this was a concussion. They have a week six bye coming up next week. We would hope A. Chan would be back after, but Mostert is back. I think Jalen Wright's looked very impressive. Yeah, Jalen Wright's been good. Mostert is back. I think Jalen Wright's looked very impressive. Yeah, Jalen Wright's been good. Mostert is back. I think you could play them. It's actually really helpful that he's on bye week right now

because usually with a concussion, you see these players miss one week. That's certainly not always, so that'll be nice that maybe you don't miss a game with him other than the one he missed yesterday. Right, yeah, he he hurt you bad and he planned but he planned his concussion well is what you're saying yeah yeah he was like oh i got a bye week next week let me run recklessly this week i speaking of reckless nico collins ran too fast on his 70 something yard touchdown yesterday He left with a hamstring injury, did not come back, day-to-day.

It was a really great route. The route was go long. It was just run as fast as you can. There was no hitch, no giddy-up, no shake my head this way. It was just run like your Forrest Gump, and then at the end of that play where he caught the 70 yard touchdown he's like i overdid it yeah i mean it reminded me of mike evans he did that he used to run long score and then hurt his hamstring yeah hopefully he is uh back this week because man alive is he

good i was wondering when i watched the panthers game why i saw so much jonathan mingo and now i know i did not see the injury when it happened, but Xavier Leggett hurt his shoulder and will be available, they say, in week six. Got banged up. People were taking a chance on him this week, and the injury hurt them. We talked about Njoku. He'll get an MRI on the knee injury. Dude, what happened?

I'll just say that gross negligence is what happened with Josh Allen Josh Allen if if you didn't if you didn't see he got hit slammed his head on the ground I mean it was probably got knocked out yeah he probably got knocked out because I mean his hand like folded in under his self he didn't even like move move. His body wasn't moving. I mean, it was, he, he was clearly out. And then when he got checked, he came right back into the game and because they said it was a chest injury or something. Yeah. And then they gave him a smelling salt for the chest. Yeah. Which I've never done. You know, oh, my knee. Give me the smelling salt. I mean, that was, that was, we still have some of those out. We got smelling salts. Yeah. We got some right here. Cause I,

I've got a sword. Yeah. I've got a sword. Can you throw one in here? My stomach, my belly's hurting. Yeah. Jason ate some bad food. Yeah. Let me crack one of those. My understanding is that these work for everything. Oh, Andy went hard after it. Oh, that's a good one for the YouTube. I went way too close. Goodness gracious. Oh, man, I can see the future. Oh! Oh!

Oh, enjoy, man. Oh, I can taste my brain. Okay, I forgot we still had those, but i'm awake but yeah i mean it's one of the it was one of those things water about three or four years ago he got hit in the end zone he didn't get knocked out he got hit in the head he was pulled from the game this is you know probably during one of the weeks the nfo wanted to be safe never got to play again and from the first quarter got knocked out never got you out I mean he got pulled out this was just

one of our best players so he can play that's what it felt like it was important end of game and whatever although man the Bills threw that game away literally literally threw the game away it was some of the the Bills

are teetering right this moment. The Jets will be a tough matchup. That would be three straight losses. The coaching, it's a questionable situation right now. Zach Moss got his... He injured his ankle. Aaron Rodgers, the knee and ankle, he was crawling on the ground in pain.

We got word that Romeo Dimes decided to skip practice a couple times and then get suspended. Yeah, Aaron, just sorry about your knee and ankle, but I just want to let you know that when you make bad plays, it's not someone else's fault. Sometimes, at least sometimes just so you know not everything bad is happening to you you whiny little baby I can't stand watching him play football anymore and he's done it for years I've always been no one has enjoyed watching him

whine after every misthrow but you know like like why was the wide receiver having a problem you're overthrowing guys you had three interceptions three interceptions you play like crap yeah and yeah you play the garbage and then after every bad throw you're like why did why did this happen to me oh i'm gonna hit my leg and then he goes to press conferences and says well that's one way to do it or we could just hold them accountable. It's like, hold yourself accountable. I think it's fair to have a moment with Aaron Rodgers because none of us are rooting against a good offense in New York. No. We would like to see it work.

Have you seen Brees Hall lately? No. Brees has been a problem. I mean, Garrett Wilson had a breakout game. That was beautiful to see. But Aaron Rodgers, where is the Steve Nash leadership from Aaron Rodgers? Give everybody a high five even when they mess up. How about you go over to the sideline and encourage somebody?

Maybe they're dropping passes because they're terrified that you're going to bitter beer face them. Yeah, I mean, there's a time where a player needs a bitter beer face. It can't possibly be every time. No, it can't be every time. And you threw picks. Somebody needs to go bitter beer face him. Yeah.

Yeah, Sala's terrified of him. That guy's not a head coach. No. All right, no quarterback announced for the Raiders after their loss. They brought Aiden O'Connell into the game. This game was crazy because they came out a monster touchdown by Brock Bowers. Then they moved the ball again against Denver. We've been talking about Denver's defense, how great it is.

Then they move the ball again, they get a field goal. Then they move the ball all the way down to like the 10. And I hop into our company Slack and I'm going, what is going on with the Denverver defense these guys suck today i go apparently they stink against the and the next play patrick sirtan 100 yard return for a touchdown and then they shut it down yeah from that point on they they only gave up 18 total points in the game and are a great defense it turns out man i have wondered like when these teams are so good during the scripted portion of the play.

Oh, yeah. Coaches, why not just script more? You ever thought about, like, instead of scripting the first 15 plays, scripting, I don't know, 100 plays. 20, 25. 50. Like, just, at least for the teams, like the Cardinals, I think Kyler needs it scripted.

Yeah, they scored again on their first drive. I mean, coaches will tell you. I mean, it's about reaction at that point in time, right? The game flow, things changing. But what if you had like a backup script, though? Right, yes. Can you script the first drive of the second half? Can you script drives for situations?

You know what I mean? Like, oh, we're going to do the down by 10 script. Yeah. And then everyone pulls that script out. And knows their lines. Yeah. All right. Deshaun Mons is going to remain the quarterback of the Cleveland Brown Pants.

That sucks. That sucks because they have someone behind them that can complete passes. I've been an apologist for Stefanski and the Browns. What they did last year with four different quarterbacks I thought was absolutely incredible. Coach of the Year stuff. And they could do it this year if they used four different quarterbacks. Well, no Nick Chubb in the offense, no David Njoku in the offense,

no offensive line. And no quarterback. I can already hear every single person listening to this show right now that wants to still apologize for the browns will tell me their offensive line makes it impossible for deshaun watson to do anything competent and on some level that is a piece of the poop pie that is being baked in cleveland when you look and you see the corn you know and you're like that's what I ate. That's like, okay, the offensive line

is a part of that poop. I see it. It's the corn in the feces of the brown. Yeah, but the brown's primary ingredient here is the sawn Watson. And at least half of his sacks are 100% on him. Yeah, he has a mindset

that when the going gets tough, I'm going to hold the ball and run around. Right. Instead of get the ball out quick, adjust the offense. Take off even. Listen to his coach. You know, not walk off the field on a fourth down. It puts Amari Cooper into a might-be-traded-very-soon category,

which, look, if you're looking to find the fantasy value of the story Jerry Judy when Cooper leaves probably somebody you want on a roster especially if Najoku is not coming back I mean we were talking about this yesterday we I would be right now if I had to put a dollar

on does Amari Cooper finish the season as a Brown or not I would say no he's still got it too he's still getting open like oh for sure he's he can help on does Amari Cooper finish the season as a Brown or not? I would say no. He's still got it, too. He's still getting open. Oh, for sure. He can help a team. And so I think the Browns are waiting to see how their season goes as they get closer to the trade deadline.

Philly, Cincinnati, Baltimore. Those are your next three weeks for the Cleveland Browns so in Philly Cincy Baltimore that'll be some tough sledding alright that was today's news and notes presented by USAA insurance learn more at USAA.com slash insurance

let's talk about some positive things this week's fantasy stud muffins by the way all three of watson's interceptions were from a clean pocket so offensive line yeah just the corn just the corn all right studs this week at quarterback we saw kirk cousins go absolutely insane on thursday and joe burrow said uh hold my beer because Cause I'm going to throw five touchdowns. Oh my gosh. Almost 400 yards. Um, just that game was awesome. He played near perfect and lost. Um, Oh man. Yeah. That was disappointing for them. They aren't they wanting for now?

Yeah, I think so. They're, they're, uh, they're going to have a really, really tough time making the playoffs. It's not impossible. But I do think maybe with their defense it's impossible. They still have to win games. If you were facing somebody, like I was, that had members of the Bengals or members of the Ravens, that game felt like it had 11 quarters. And I know that it technically had five, but it felt like it never ended. And the drives were, they were quick hitters.

It's amazing for a game of football what two big plays will do on either side of the football. If you score quickly, it changes the whole game in terms of just plays per game, opportunities. Yeah, the Burrow, I mean, either stack. If you had T. Higgins i mean either either stack if you had uh t higgins with multiple touchdowns or if you had chase with multiple bomb touchdowns um and you stacked them with joe burrow great remember we talked about the baltimore ravens defense which is a very good

defense but they have turned into a pass funnel it's very hard to run on them um you want to target them in the passing game and this was obviously obviously a good time for Joe Burrow until the loss. It would have been smarter of them to become a run funnel during the Zach Moss time instead of the Chase Higgins Burrow situation, but they did win. And Lamar was awesome. He's the quarterback one on the year right now, constantly escaping, 26 for 42, 348 and four.

Charlie Kohler, what's up? Ran for 55 yards on the ground. Incredible week by Lamar. And, you know, that's where the Andrews discussion is going to become interesting because 348 and four in a game that wasn't the game script where they just hand the ball off to Derrick Henry. I believe Andrews was 4 for 55 or something like that. But he didn't have a catch, I think, until the late third or early fourth.

No, it felt very, very worrisome. I mean, if Kohler has two touchdowns, that's a problem. Yeah, well, there was also one big – And likely had two touchdowns. There was a – Is that four touchdowns from non-Andrews tight ends? Did Kohler have two? Maybe he didn't have the second one.

Maybe it was a long catch. He had a bomb catch. He's 88, right? Isn't he number 88? 88 years old. Right. I think he's number 88. Yeah.

And I just – I mean, it just looked like andrews it was like his role and in the same kind of route that andrews always runs that he caught it and it was just bomb play and then talking about right tackle mark andrews yeah oh joe flacco big game we talked about it it's awesome he uh kevin durant's tweet was great said put flacco anywhere and he's gonna hoop i mean because he just does Kyler Murray Kyler Murray ran for 83 yards he also had a huge 50 plus yard touchdown on a scripted run thank goodness this was a first drive script yeah right a first drive script but it was one of those things where I'm glad that the offense of the Cardinals and and the offensive coordinator you

know they're they're gonna make adjustments every week The previous week when he stunk, he had three rushing yards, and it was clear in this game that, I mean, it was like, let's use his legs because it's a weapon. It was very encouraging, and they won. They won in San Francisco, which was amazing. Caleb Williams had a monster day. 3-0-4-2, ran it a little bit. He's improved every week.

He's getting things together, and it's not a surprise that his receivers are getting healthier, using Cole Komet when he needs to. It's good to see. Baker Mayfield on Thursday. Who? Cooked as well. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Laser Mayfield. Thank you. Really only

had a first half, but he was great in running the football. Oh, and my man, my dynasty start this week. The fact you knew that this day was coming where you would have Jalen Hurts on by and Bo Nix was going to be your starter. Bo Nix. And you were dreading the day, and here he goes for three total touchdowns.

Yeah, it's a single quarterback league, and I literally only have the Broncos quarterbacks and Jalen Hurts on the roster. So I was like, like well i'm playing bow nicks this week and he goes off should have had a fourth yeah oh my gosh my dude troy franklin 50 yard wide open i you don't get more wide open than that we took a look at the standings this morning jason and i have have a nice hundred dollar bet on marvin mims versus troy franklin who would have the most fantasy points of the year. Right now it's –

I was on the Mims side. I'm on the Troy Franklin side. In half PPR scoring, my guy has 5.4 fantasy points on the season. But – Your guy has 5.8. So it's anyone's game. That's pretty exciting. Trevor Lawrence looked pretty good, 28 for 34, 371 and 2

got a monster touchdown to Brian Thomas Jr. and then Jaden Daniels 82 more on the ground Jaden Daniels is his ability to escape what looks like

sure tackles or pressure it's, it's very, very, very Lamar esque where it's just these little sides, little sidesteps where it's like, you just don't think you can get out of it.

And then boom, you're out of it. He's been a revelation this year at running back. My guy, that's right. Your guy, Bigsby 13 for for 101 and 2. Played more snaps than Etienne.

Etienne only played 38% of the snaps. He is at 8 a carry. And Doug Peterson said, look, he's not replacing Travis at the top of the depth chart. Etienne did show up on the injury report midweek. People want to know if we're going to be panicking about travis etn and i think the answer is like i don't think panic is right because he is their starter he's going to have good games he's going to be important for fantasy he's going to be started um i think what the truth is is he's not a guy that's going to be doing what he did last year specifically the first half of last year, where he's out there for 75 plus percent of

the snaps. You're getting 90 percent of the work. You're getting everything. Tank has been good. He had two runs in this game. One was his long touchdown run that was outstanding, and that wasn't his best run of the game. They had a play down near nearest the goal line. I don't know whether they like 10-12 yards out and it's just like a run up the middle into traffic. Bunch of guys around him tackling him. No, he's not down yet. He just keeps going. The pile's moving. He breaks free.

The other guys are trying to tackle him. The whole team comes in. I mean, it just never stopped until he was in the end zone. Six attempts for Travis Etienne for 17 yards, but six catches. Yeah, he was very involved in the end zone. Six attempts for Travis Etienne for 17 yards, but six catches. Yeah, he was very involved in the passing game. We saw, I think, the Rico Dowdle breakout game.

Mike, the stubborn Mike that he is. I don't know if I... Oh. Oh, interesting. Tell me about the Walrus and why that applies to Rico Dowdle. You see, what happened, Jason, is that the walrus icon on my board is very similarly colored as the Jay Grizz. And so I pushed the walrus. I pushed the walrus button.

And not every show has a walrus button, but we do. Let me ask you, because you and i have both been critical critical of rico dowdle and and i've i've been um i would say a firm believer that he doesn't have the the the talent to actually have the breakout game and i'll take the l are you happy or are you sad that mike is not here i'm happy he's not here yeah me too yeah it's Yeah, it's for the best. 20 for 87, 4.4 carry. He'd be taking his shirt off right now, and I'd be pretty uncomfortable. Yeah, he'll be here the rest of the week, unfortunately. And I'm pretty sure he will get a Dowdle tattoo by the end of the week.

Oh, DeAndre Swift was very, very good. Check this out, Andy. Guess who played against DeAndre Swift in three leagues? You did? Yeah, that's fun. Dowdle's the RB1 on the week right now. Swift is the RB3, I think. So we both mentioned Swift in the starts of the week. We both knew it would be good. We're both very afraid to put our name next to DeAndre Swift in a permanent fashion, so he wasn't our official start. But the writing was on the wall.

We said it should be a good week. They are relying on him in the same schedule that we brought up about, you know, they've got the Manders, the Jaguars, the Cardinals coming up. That applies to Swift. So I think you're just going to need to stay in the flames with him. Ramondre Stevenson, 12 for 89 and a touchdown. The ceremonial benching was just that. Ramondre was back out there in the second drive.

He had a great touchdown run. He is their guy. This was like – And you need to not freak out. This was like – there was a time when I was a kid that I got in trouble and – Just once? Yeah, this was the time um where i got in trouble and uh my mom instructed my father to uh to spank me so he took me in the bathroom and he took his belt off and he folded the belt

over and then he oh he made the popping he made the popping sound and told me to yell. So I was like, yeah. Did you? Did you yell? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was just like, oh, oh. And then it was done. And, you know, that's great. That's what happened with Ramondre Stephenson here.

It's like, you're getting a bitch. You got to protect yourself. Wink. I ain't no liar. I ain't no liar. If we preach ball security is job security, then I got to make sure I punish you. All right, punishment's over.

Oh, my gosh, yeah. He'll be okay. He'll be okay. Derrick Henry was doing very little, and then he was doing very a lot because he had a monster overtime run. James Cook got it done again. Josh Jacobs, nice to see him performing. 75% of snaps, that one was important because I was starting to get curious

on that Emmanuel Wilson kind of split. Yeah, I mean, it was good to see Jacobs getting it done. They got the win. Chuba, almost 100 yards rushing again. He had a rushing touchdown. He's been great, man. Chuba's been awesome. Trey Sermon slipped into the end zone on a

drag down of Alec Pierce on the one, which is exactly what you need from a Trey Sermon start or a Cam Akers start. You wanted the goal line opportunity. Trey Sermon was actually not very good. Trey Sermon was not very good. If you take away the touchdown,

38 rushing yards, and despite six receptions, only 25 receiving yards. He didn't look good. I'm curious. This was not Zach Moss from last year. No, no. But I would say someone who did look good and surprised me was Tyrone Tracy. Tyrone Tracy, 18 carries, 129 rushing yards.

Whoa. Yeah, I mean – You played him, didn't you? I did play him. It was – Did it help? Yeah, it was very good. I mean, it didn't change the outcome.

Didn't help enough. Right. But it was a helpful start. He was – How many more points did he score than Brees for your lineup? Oh, probably most all of them. I think Brees had only like probably five fantasy points. I don't know. 6.1, brother. Brees for your lineup? Oh, probably most all of them. I think Brees had only like probably five fantasy points. I don't know.

6.1, brother. Brees did? Brees was your – I'm looking at your team right now, Jason, because that's what everyone wants to hear. Don't do that. But Tyrone Tracy, 15.3. In second place at your running back position, Alexander Madison at 10.6. And in third place, this bum, this guy that you've got everywhere Brees Hall. Yeah.

I guess we're not in the duds yet. Kyron Williams scored again over 100 on the ground. You don't say. Just a machine. He will not score next week. I promise. I will bet you anything. I will not take that bet. I know the schedule and that is a very difficult team to score on.

The bye. The bye week. Chase Brown 46 on the ground one through through the air, a touchdown. That is, Roshon got two touchdowns. He's the goal line right now, and he's getting it done. Although Swift got a goal line carry as well. Brian Robinson did nothing in this game. He played far fewer snaps than Austin Eckler. He lost a goal line carry to Jeremy McNichols,

but he still scored twice. Also, why give Jeremy McNichols that? Why not let Eckler get the... Eckler has looked so dang good. Every time Austin Eckler touches the ball, I am just like, this is Austin Eckler of two, three, four years ago.

McNichols got rewarded for what he did last week against Arizona. That's what that carry was. That carry was, Eckler's back, but we don't want to say we forgot about you. And that's kind of sad for the people that played the other two. I just think what's sad in bringing up Eckler is that someone who is as good as he is should be able to be started every week for fantasy, and you can't. Right.

That's not fair. It's fair, although Brian Robinson dealing with an injury only in there 34% of the time. We'll see what happens in practice this week. Let's take a break, and we'll come back with our wide receiver studs. All right. Yeah, number one in the league right now in yards per carry, Tank Bigsby, number two, Austin Eckler. Yeah, and you feel it.

And that's to say nothing of his receiving work which is also excellent number 652 Brees Hall just kidding just kidding all right Jamar Chase congrats on winning your week 10 for 193 and 2 uh this is why you drafted him where he drafted him is because he has this in him the last two weeks have been incredible Drake Lennon and Darnell Mooney on Thursday night we uh we saw 13 and 16 targets. It's nice to know that that can happen. They got Carolina coming up. Yeah.

Yeah, baby. DJ Moore, 5 for 105 and 2. This was the first time we saw the offense do things that made us excited. And that was Carolina this last week. So, you know, TBD, you're starting DJ Moore every single week, but it's nice to know that you can still have these games with Caleb Williams. Tee Higgins, two touchdowns, 9 for 83, looked great, 14 targets. This really, Mike not being here this morning,

a lot of victory laps he could take. The Tee Higgins one, the Dowdle one, but it's a limited time offer, and he's not here. Yeah, you can could take the t higgins one the dowdle one um but he you know it's a one it's a limited time offer and he's not here yeah you can't take the lap tomorrow no goodness no statute of limitations yeah uh garrett wilson is another one 22 targets 22 13 for 101 i mean that's not a great catch percentage that's what's so funny is like he has, I'm pretty sure for however long his career has been, he leads the history of the NFL in targets. He has always had an absolute

boatload of targets. I don't know if he just is the squeakiest of all wheels. I don't think so. Or whatever it is. But he still he had a great game. 13 for a 101 and a touchdown. Monstrous, great performance. But on 22 targets, I feel like you should have more than this.

It was a great game. We'll call it that. Darius Slayton, 8 for 1, 22 and 1. Slayton became viable. We brought it up because of the injury to Malik Neighbors, and if Neighbors is back, he will fade back into the mist. Alec Pierce, uh, three for one 34 and one,

two deep catches that made his day. Yeah. That's always a chance to do that. Slayton and Pierce. Those are, those are probably not people that you picked up or started in your redraft leagues, but that we,

they were mentioned as, uh, our official DFS dart throws on the DFS pass in the podcast. So if you're listening over there and playing DFS, those are slate busters. Mike Evans, two touchdowns on Thursday Night Football. Your start of the week, Brian Thomas Jr., who we were hungry for more for as well.

Five for one, 22 and one, had the big play. Looks awesome. On pace for 75 catches, 1,350 yards and 10 touchdowns he really really really looks like an alpha wide receiver in the nfl brandon iuk finally 8 for 147 on 12 targets you couldn't sit him against arizona which was nice because if it had been a better matchup like a you know not arizona's defense i think people would have been more of them would have had him on his bench right on. On their bench. Yeah.

He was very good. It's nice when you start with a 50-yard reception and you're just like, oh, okay, all right, we're back. And then the game winner last night in the football game that spanned two days. In fact, Dak was the first quarterback in history to throw an interception in the same game across two days, one per day.

Wow. Jalen Tolbert, 10 targets, 7 for 87 and a touchdown. Outperformed CeeDee Lamb in this game. Has the Detroit run funnel coming up? Like Dowdle against Detroit, I think we're throwing the football. So I think next week you're going to have bye weeks for Waddle and Hill and those guys. This is an opportunity for Jalen Tolbert.

He has looked the part. He's the one who got all the reps when CeeDee Lamb missed camp. What are you going to tell people to do with Dowdle this week? Because they just played a very difficult run defense in the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Dowdle was awesome. Most people are in the position where they have to get a running back in there, but we'll see what the bye week looks like. And he's probably a flex play.

What do you think? I mean, I mean, it sounded like you didn't believe me. If you've been, if you've been waiting on him, you probably need to start him. I mean, it, the performance at the very least, uh, says that they will rely on him again next week. Now it's still a difficult matchup. start him. I mean, the performance at the very least says that they will rely on him again next week. Now, it's still a difficult matchup

against Detroit, but the work should be there. My son's been struggling. He's in a new league. He played with some friends in high school. Drafted by himself. This is the son who took Brian Robinson who once again outperformed Bijon.

Five weeks in a row. Wait, is it five weeks in a row every single week? That can't be right. It's got to be close. I bet you Kyle could figure that out. How funny that when you take the wrong B. Robinson it was the right B. Robinson.

That's pretty much fantasy football. Hope that's not true by the end of the year. So Brian Robinson right now, by the way, running back six, 73 fantasy points on the year. B. John Robinson, on the other hand, the running back 22 with 58 fantasy points on the year. And looking at this, yes, every week. Okay, week three, B. John was the running back 17 and brian robinson was 22

oh smoked him there you go all right tucker craft your start of the week that was delicious two touchdowns four for 88 i've already seen the questions coming in like sam laporta or tucker craft next week wow and what's your answer it's probably Laporta I mean we we don't chase the but I mean Kraft is playable and he's looked good yeah I mean I I would agree with you if it's someone like Laporta but if you've got Andrews or yeah you know if you've been dealing with um all the the injury bug if you picked up Kraft I would just hold on to him and keep rolling him because he had 37 yards week one, but the snaps and routes were there. He didn't do much when Love was hurt, but in the two games back with Love,

he's the tight end two last week and currently sitting as the tight end one this week. Yeah, I mean, maybe you stay in those flames, even if you're dealing with the Laporta decision because Dobbs was out. We already have the injury to Watson. Wicks can't catch. Talk about that in a minute. Musgraves out due to injury, so Kraft is viable.

Brock Bowers, beautiful, 8 for 97 and a touchdown. Should have had two. If you saw the play that Sertan picked sixth, easy little throw and catch to Brock Bowers for a touchdown. Kittle, 8 for 64 and 1. Great game. 12 targets. Kittle's been awesome.

Yeah. And then everybody not named Mark Andrews. Isaiah Likely had two touchdowns. That's what I was going to say. My son's team, I thought he's 0-3. I was like, let me help you. He hasn't been asking for help. I was like, let me help your roster. He's been just jamming Isaiah Likely in there every week. You got to take him out.

I was like, I got to get this dude out. Two touchdowns. To be fair, 13 yards, but still got two touchdowns. Charlie Kohler, three for 64 and a touchdown. And then Mark Andrews, four for 55. 55! Also should have scored in this game. Yeah.

Kind of a bad throw to him on the outside and didn't get into the end zone. But he is just a dart throw play right now he is a let's hope and pray and he dropped his first target again looked like he was going to get goosed got involved at the end the last two weeks one target no reception goose and then we're like going into the deep in the third quarter or something where it was he he had one target no reception i was like oh my goodness i mean this was seven fantasy points where we're happy with Mark Andrews. So that's not where you were. He's in a couple of my –

And they scored 41 points. He's in a couple of my leagues. I started him in two-thirds of them. I'm thrilled with that seven and a half. I was – I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I imagine you are. Yeah. Dom Perignon popped the top.

I was like, this is a celebration. All right, let's talk some duds. Pooped in his big boy pants. Well, Josh Allen's got big boy pants. And they're full of doo-doo. It didn't work out. And Brock Purdy. A lot of people started Brock Purdy this week against Arizona. 19 for 35.

Just one touchdown, two picks. He was my quarterback in our DraftKings lineup. I still won thanks to the rest of the lineup, but Purdy pretty much sucked. Yeah, and then the big boy pants, people were fitting them. He had seen a tailor. He was actually sliding them on, and then Sam Darnold, while they were being put on. Yeah, ruined them.

Ruined those pants. He ruined them. This is not good. Losing Aaron Jones hurt? They've got a bye week coming up now. The Vikings do. Then they come back against Detroit. I will certainly start Sam Darnold off a bye in Detroit. At home against Detroit.

For fantasy purposes, it was a pumpkin. It was a pumpkin game. Yes. Running backs, Brees Hall, 9 for 23. I will say this. He had 74% of the snaps, which was good because Braylon Allen is a problem. He's getting involved, and he looks good in his own right,

but the behind-the-scenes metrics said Brees is still the one that they're trying to utilize. Their offensive line was terrible, and Minnesota is a very good run defense. This next week will be a really important week for Brees Hall. It's Buffalo. He struggles

against the run. I just want to point this out. The offensive line's not getting... They're not trading for a new one this week. Right. He – in three of – I'm sorry, in four of five games, he's sub 3.5 a carry. So the last three, 3.4,.4, and 2.6. So he's not making a lot of his opportunities.

Two for 14, three for 14 in the passing game. They're not throwing the ball to him the way that they were. He was such a better fantasy asset last year with Zach Wilson. For sure. For sure. What do you think about that knee and ankle injury for Aaron Rodgers? Get the backup in there? Check it down to Brees?

I don't know, man. I think Brees is just a change of expectation situation. I think there are a lot of people that would never trade him because they drafted him where they drafted. Makes sense. And now you can think about trading him. I know I was trolling you with offers, and this is not a setup for you to trade me Brees Hall

because I no longer want him. But there were times another great week from, we didn't mention him, James Conner was amazing. He's so good. He went up against San Francisco. They keep calling him concrete on the broadcast or like Mark Sanchez did it. He made this name up from nothing. I've never heard him called concrete before.

Now we just yell concrete every time. he made this name up from nothing. Yeah, I've never heard of him called Concrete before. But it's great. Now we just yell Concrete every time he... But James Conner's been incredible. He's been one of the most consistent running backs. But you can start to talk about conversations about Conner, about Brian Robinson Jr. Like, Brees should not be untouchable. That's my only PSA to the world.

Like, he shouldn't... You could be trading... I think people would trade for him at near number two pick value. And you might get RB 13 the rest of the year, RB 15 rest of the year. And you know, that would. Do you feel the same way about Bijan? A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

Who are you more? Even Travis Etienne. Who are you more confident in rest of season, Brees or Bijan? Bijan. I think so. Looked better on his touches, better offensive confidence right now, and when the going gets tough,

Aaron Rodgers is just going to take over the snap and chuck system. 22 targets for Garrett Wilson. Maybe he should have thrown it to Brees Hall. Zach Moss, very terrible game. Chase Brown looked so much more explosive in this game. Jerome Ford disappeared.

Tons of foreman snaps. And wide receiver, it's not looked good with Marvin Harrison. No. So I want to bring his name up because seven more targets, only two catches on those targets. What's his catch rate on the year? Take a guess. It's got to be sub 50%.

49%. Wow. So 35 targets, 17 catches. They're not in sync. And what's crazy is you look at Michael Wilson, go pull up Michael Wilson's catch percentage because it's the same quarterback. And obviously they're running different types of routes, but really not that different type.

I mean, Wilson's been down the field. I mean, the catch percentage for Wilson, 73%. Yeah, and Marvin Harrison, I love that he's had the touchdowns. He still had some, you know, he had a big important play towards the end of the game. Yeah, fourth down conversion. Yeah, to help bring it home for the Cardinals. But something's off.

I mean, I will say this, just eyeball test. Brian Thomas Jr. at this stage right now looks way better than Marvin Harrison on the NFL field. Malik Neighbors looks way better on the field. Definitely Neighbors. Yeah, Harrison's situation's tough. He's at 16.4 a catch, so they are down

the field more. Michael Wilson's at 16.4 catch so they are down the field more Michael Wilson is at 11 so obviously you're going to have a catch percentage difference when you're targeting people down the field more often and taking shots when Kyler's in trouble he'll just throw it up but I have not seen Marvin Harrison make an impressive contested catch outside of the back of the end zone

touchdown against the Rams on 35 targets he is not the 50-50 balls he's not coming up with right now. It's just something to monitor. He's a rookie. He's a rookie. He's going to get better. I think the expectations for someone like him were so extravagantly high that when you just see him being a good rookie

and not like the best rookie of all time, we're super disappointed. What do you think he is on the year? Wide receiver, 20. Close. 17. Okay. All right. Debo in the same game disappeared.

Oh, my gosh. Debo was nonexistent. I mean, the 49ers really struggled. They lost at home. They're having red zone woes. If you didn't watch the game, they lost their kicker.

Did you hear that, by the way, Falcon? They lost their kicker. Falcon, the 49ers lost at home. Did you hear that? To the Cardinals. To the Cardinals of all teams. How are you feeling about that? I noticed a striking lack of paraphernalia.

Wait, where's all your Niners gear? Oh, my gosh. Why aren't you wearing Niners gear? You forgot all of it. I'm going to go cry again. Okay. Now, you have not done well in the NFC West right now, which is your division.

Yeah. They lost to the Rams. They lost to the Cardinals. Now you go on the road to play Seattle. Did you know that you do that in a short week, that it's Thursday night football? If we lose to the Seahawks on Thursday, I won't be here Friday. Because we'll fire you?

No, diarrhea. Yeah. All right. Just letting you know, if you lose, you follow that up with the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah. This is good. Cardinals could take that division. I'm just kidding.

All right. DK Metcalf, 4-4. Wow, we got a lot of these. He fumbled. He'll be fine. Yeah. We had Jordan Addison. They kept trying to get him the football.

The secondary for the Jets, in particular, not sauce. But who's on the other side? Kyle, remind me. Reed? DJ Reed. DJ Reed looked great in this game. And so, ironically, he was the one shutting down Jordan Addison. Deontay Johnson, Xavier Leggett.

Yep. That was the sound. A couple of farts. It's very difficult to throw on Chicago. You can run on them, but you cannot. They are one of those funnel teams we talked about. They're a run funnel. Here's a conversation.

I don't think it's going to happen for George Pickens. No? In the current environment, no. George Pickens doesn't have – so right now George Pickens is giving you a usable game 35% of the time over his last 17 games played. This year, you would have been happy you started him maybe twice and neither of those games were top 15 so this so you're just putting him in the in the matchup

category i'm putting him in the matchup category i'm putting him in the if they switch the quarterback category i'm putting him in the i said it before the week. I would try to trade him because of the fact that they're so deeply, like the rumors are not stopping with Pittsburgh and Devontae Adams. Right. The snap count for, I don't know if you saw this. I did. Pickens' snap count was reduced for one of the most comical reasonings that you've heard from Mike Tomlin, which maybe it's fine and right,

but it's not fine and right for all the other elite wide receivers in football. They gave him 56% of snaps because they wanted more high-level play on the snaps he's in there. Yeah, I understand what he's saying, and I understand what you're saying. There's a lot of wide receivers out there. The best of the best wide receivers don't need to take drives off and be limited on snaps because they get tired. And if that's happening to George Pickens that's a problem but that was intentional they intentionally limit his snaps and their goal was to maximize production it sounds backwards and it didn't work no it did not two for 29 in a game this year three for 26 last night he is a like if you have

Mooney or how do you not play Mooney I mean right out, like, if you have Mooney, how do you not play Mooney? I mean, right. Ahead of George Pickens. Right now, Mooney just looks like an every week start. And then how, Jalen Tolbert this week, or George Pickens. I would play Pickens there. The matchup is, you know, against the Raiders.

I would do that. Okay. Because you want, I mean, one big play, but. Let's talk about the guy that I think is the biggest. Disappointment? The biggest disappointment of the week is Dontavian Wicks. Dontavian Wicks was the biggest fab spend. Everybody who got him spent a ton.

But Jason, seven targets. He must have delivered. He delivered the ball to the ground. He's a really good wide receiver. Technically. At getting open. Yeah. At running routes.

He's got the size. He's prototypical. You know, 6'1", 205. He is a good wide receiver. He's got one issue. And it's a big one. He's not good at catching. No, he needs to be able to catch it.

He's not a good catcher. And so I think he's got to have the money to buy a jugs machine, right? Yeah. I'll bet they have them. I'll bet the Packers have them. They probably got them. For sure. The receiver part of the receiver is really where he's struggling.

And the thing is. They're not rout is, this wasn't just this last week. So last week, he was the wide receiver three. He was five for 78, two touchdowns, monstrous performance. That's why people picked him up and the opportunity with Dobbs being out and Christian Watson being out. But what did we watch? We went back and watched his film. And he's open.

And he's earning targets. But he dropped so many passes last week. We just forgave it because he got two touchdowns. I think he was one for the first seven targets last week. Not on the same page. It was Kraft this week, Jaden Reed. So seven targets worked. Process worked.

The opportunity was there. He beat people down the field. And he got the target and earned it. Everything was perfect except he just didn't close his hands on the football. He closed his hands on the – he missed the most important part of the receiving. The closing. How happy was Dobbs every time that his replacement comes in and drops the ball? Because he's out there just – he was disappointed with his targets. This is why Jaden Reed was the story of the offseason.

And it wasn't – literally, if you can project everything that happened so far this year, it was talked about. Christian Watson's injury prone. Is he playing football? Nope. Romeo Dobbs, he seems unnecessary to the offense. He's so unnecessary, he just skipped practice because he's mad about it. And then Dontavian Wicks is just a –

Super talented, but he's a backup for a reason. He was not already the starter. I think bright days are ahead for Dontavian Wicks. The targets were there. I'm not going to go away from him. I'm going to start him next week against Arizona because he is going to catch the ball eventually when you get seven targets and everything else is there.

But your point is you were saying all offseason just the best wide receiver on the team is Jaden Reed. Yep. You were pretty bullish on that, and it just seems so true. It's not the only situation that was stuck in the mire that was the best man rose to the top. Nico Collins in

Houston because Tank Dell's another conversation. Tank Dell right now is not playable. Tank Dell had... Nico Collins knocked out of this game and Tank Dell put up four for 38. Monday-ponday submissions were very Tinkdale, Stankdale-focused. I really wanted you to rattle off more.

It felt like you had more going on on the list, and then you just stopped. I do have some more, but I just feel like I don't want to draw. Sure. Tinkdale's a very talented receiver, but it was Nico all along. And if Nico is gone this week, what do you do? I would play Tank Dell over Dontavion Wicks if Nico was out, yes. Okay. Yeah, because, look, you said you'd play Wicks.

Wicks is not a must play for me this week. He's a maybe play. He's a flex. What are my other options? Like, I'd play Mooney over him. The fact Dobbs would be back out there. Like Dobbs is coming back. So like the plan is he's missing this game and coming back.

But it's Arizona. We just saw IU go crazy against them. It's a scary play. I'd probably play Wicks over Pickens. Okay. Wicks and Pickens. Here we are. Keenan Allen and Adunze were not the featured targets in Chicago.

Cortland Sutton, despite all the targets on the year, terrible game. And then at tight end, Dalton Kincaid. They need him. They need him so bad, and I'm starting to question the talent. Well, Allen missed him on what would have been about a 70-yard touchdown in this game. It was just a miss. I mean, we talked about it at the top with Josh Allen.

He looked atrocious in the game. He completed nine of 30 passes. This was not a Dalton Kincaid problem. Yeah. 30% of his passes completed. That's impossible. But you don't have anybody to take the pressure off of him. Yeah.

And regardless of him not being evaluated for a concussion, he probably had one, probably has one, and he's probably going to play next week. I don't know. That's scary. The Jets next week. You know, it always looks like Kincaid's supposed to have a game. Well, they need him. I mean, that's the thing.

With Khalil Shakir out, who apparently is the engine that makes the bills work, they have to have someone else step up. Keon Coleman is not a good separator. He's going to have his touchdowns, his 50-50 balls, and the big play occasionally. As a rookie, that's who he is. I'm not saying he can't develop into more, but right now he is not he's not

a go-to every down wide receiver who's just going to get open that's not even what he did in college so who they need more than anyone is Stefan Diggs sure is I mean yeah throw out Devontae Adams that's who they need but they need Dalton Kincaid to step up and just rise up and put the offense on his shoulders, and I don't know that he's capable. Six targets you'd be really happy about, but the two catches, pretty terrible. I mean, his target pace on the year, what do we think that is? It's not what you projected and what I projected. I would guess 80 81 okay you're you're guessing

today is you're guessing at a better hit rate than harrison's catch rate you know what i mean right you're you're will michael wilson level yeah i feel like i'm guessing it better than michael wilson level and then the mute got luth like let the ball get luth on the ground yeah he did get a touchdown which was great but when most of your fantasy points come via a touchdown and then you fumble you lose some of those fantasy points all right waivers day tomorrow Jason it'll be a big one we've got

streaming quarterbacks to talk about a fantasy draft redo on Wednesday matchups the wheel of shame not gonna be me it's not gonna be me nope nope it's uh nope not gonna be you Jay, it's not going to be me. Nope. Nope. It's not going to be you, Jay. All right. Mike.

Mike gets to walk into the, you know, gets to dance with Dowdle and then spin that wheel. That'll be a fun Friday. Yeah. I'm excited. All right. That'll do it for today's show. Check out jointhefoot.com if you want a little extra. Want to support the independent podcast and shout out to the deuces over there.

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