Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Wildcard Players! Breakout or Bust? - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/26

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

Fantasy Football show for May 26, 2026. Tough players to rank for the 2026 season! Andy, Mike, and Jason discuss players with a wide range of outcomes for fantasy football. Will Bucky Irving be a value pick? Bhayshul Tuten breakout season coming? Will Jayden Daniels bounce back? Find out the floor and ceiling for a handful of players in 2026 fantasy football drafts. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. Get the lowest price on the 2026 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Instant access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK+ (00:00) Intro (04:00) Jayden Daniels Outlook (11:17) NFL News (17:50) Fantasy Wildcards (20:25) Kyler Murray (26:20) Michael Wilson (34:00) Bhayshul Tuten (41:55) Bucky Irving (47:25) Isaiah Likely Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Tuesday, May 26th, Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway, the fantasy footballers. Back with you. Not just back with you, but happy to be with you. So, so happy. I'm in a good mood. Are you?

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you just tell you just tell them they're happy right does that work with the spouse oh yeah try it try it on for size it's perfect the like stop being so upset right yeah

that's good advice just be happy yeah so it's a hundred percent hit rate of something really explosives about to happen just calm down you know

It just makes it easy. Now they know what to do. I feel like your wife probably has tried some of those techniques on you on like a Sunday when the fantasy team didn't perform. And did they work? Just be happy, Jay. Oh, man. Just be happy that Josh Jacobs turned into a crap pile once you traded for him. When those things happen, the world becomes the Charlie Brown teacher.

The world is the Charlie Brown teacher. I don't hear. Everybody around you. No, no, no, no. Well, well, well, well, foot clan. Welcome back. We've got a fun show today. We're talking through some fantasy wildcards, players that could go either direction. We're going to actually debate and discuss those players live and then decide if we think they're breakouts or busts, basically. This is your last chance this week. In fact, we need the vintage song, Al, if you want to find it. This is the last week to pick up the ultimate draft kit on pre-order pricing because it's coming out next Monday, June 14th. first. The UDK will be here. Ultimate draft kit.com to check that out.

And you also get the Ultimate Draft Kit for free if you're a member of, if you're an Ultimate Foot Clan member at Join the Foot.com, that's another way to get access to it. I've given them plenty of time. Yeah. Oh, there it is. The lyrics say it all. Right.

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Quick question of the day comes from YouTube. Mike Walleris. Oh, Mike Waller's. 3524. Right. To fight us. Why the confidence in Jaden Daniels? Maybe he's taking a peek at some of the rankings going up on the fantasy footballers.com.

Why the confidence in Jaden Daniels? He really wasn't that great when he was healthy last year. Now he has lost weapons and Terry is getting older. Aren't we all? I see a big decline. in that offense and I want no part in Daniels. Is Jaden Daniels more of a wild car player than we realize? His sleeper ADP right now, quarterback five.

Well, I'll start off by saying this. I mean, if you have, if your process says, I want no part of Jaden Daniels, don't do it. But the reason that I am still interested, and I think that we are still interested, It's just, it's how the game is played. Quarterbacks get one point for every 25 yards of passing, and they get a full point for every 10 yards of rushing.

And Jane Daniels was still running at a very similar rate. You know, the rookie year, 8.7 rushes per game. It was actually nine per game last year, a little bit higher of a scramble rate. It wasn't nearly as successful, but then to defend him, 11% of his passes were dropped. That was the highest in the NFL. And I know the weapons.

That's still that 11% of your passes being dropped. That's pretty egregious. That should regress. And it's just guys that run the amount that Jaden Daniels does end up being good for fantasy football. And then the stuff he provides you with his arm, that's kind of like that's the sugar. That's the syrup on the top of does he? give a truly elite year as opposed to because right now he should just

be good. He should be solid no matter what, but could possibly be elite. It's like Lamar. Are you you know who was not good? Lamar Jackson. Are you out on Lamar Jackson? Yeah, it's funny. On a game, on a per game basis looking at healthy games, Lamar and Jaden Daniels were very, very

similar last year. And yeah, it was a slightly down year for Lamar, but when you look at the talent, you know, the scramble rate, I mean, you're talking about someone who scrambles more than anyone, literally breaking records in the NFL, and his scramble rate was up last year in the games he played. So if you've got that kind of mobility on the ground, and Terry is older, but I don't know, you know, when you say you lost a lot of weapons, are we talking about Debo? Debo? You know, Debo didn't look like he had it two years ago. There's a question of whether he could reignite his body at his elder statesman's age last year

with the commanders. That was pretty clearly answered. That was a no. So I don't know that that's a big loss. Zach Ertz, you know, is again, not a huge loss. They bring in Antonio Williams, who is a solid incoming rookie wide receiver, so there's a little bit of youth there. I mean, look, Jaden missed a lot of time

last year. You missed games with a knee injury, you missed games with the hamstring, and then he missed a bunch of games with the elbow. Terry McLaren missed weeks four through seven. Those were like three of the only games that Jaden Daniels played. They didn't play together a lot. also missed weeks 9 through 11.

So this team lost the season. I think to come at the other side of it, like I think it's totally fine to have some hesitation, more hesitation around Jaden than you would Lamar. Because Jaden did it one year as a rookie and has an injury plagued second season. Lamar's done it for a bunch of years, won multiple MVP awards.

And had multiple years where you're, if you drafted Lamar, you're just ripping your hair out because you're like, why is this the year? Why is this the year he's bad? The depth chart is it's weak on the past catching side. Would you say it's worse or better with Chigal Conquo and Antonio Williams versus the Debo Ertz? Neutral. Same, same.

Neutral probably. But I mean, they're still, yeah, I remember they gave Traylenberg's the one-year deal. They lost. They added Rashad White lost Austin Echler. It's just about whether you think Jaden will stay on the field. I think that's the other fair concern. I mean, if you miss three different stretches of the season with three different injuries and your first inclination is to scramble and run the football, that concerns me. Not everybody is built to do that and take that much of a beating.

He's a skinny dude. We do know the price is very different this year. It's almost a three-round ADP difference of where Jaden went last year compared to this year. Also, this is the big one. So looking at every quarterback over the last decade who started at least 12 or more games, and they had at least 100 rush attempts in the season. We're talking to quarterbacks. Of the 27 quarterbacks, 26 of the 27 were top 12 in points per game.

It was basically 100%. Yeah. And the one who wasn't, it was the 2020 old man Cam Newton who didn't get into the top 12 of points per game. He was just trying to run. And then in the ceiling case, 78% of those guys, top six. 78% yeah because if you run 100 times or more times at the quarterback position you just you score you score fantasy points it's how the game is built so if i understand you're like it was a one hit wonder the second year i think that's more of what jaden daniels is if that's what you believe about him then stay far away but if you're in he's even cheaper this year and and based off of history and probability of things I think he'll run more than 100 times again this year, should he be healthy enough to do so. And then if he does, the floor is just, you're in the top 12.

There's also progression as a player, right? Like, last year, I was down on Jaden Daniels because his rookie year, they had the easiest schedule of all time. And we were talking about how this was going to be a much more difficult job going into year two. But he also is now going into the third year as an NFL veteran. He's 25 years old. He should just be getting, like there is the progression of the player himself as a passer. I mean, Lamar didn't come in, you know, and start as a prolific passer. He developed that much better as he aged.

So I think there is some of that that we're looking to Jaden Daniels as he's healthy now. I don't think he's as guaranteed as those other guys, but I think you should remember his rookie year. 891 rushing yards on 148 carries. There's your cheat code. 3,500 passing, 25 touchdowns. only through nine picks, had 100 pass a rating, and last year got to lead it. And now you're getting a huge discount. So that one's tough because I think there will be multiple people in every league looking to get a discount on Jane Daniels.

So you're going to have to decide when you want to pull the trigger. I mean, I don't know if you want to tell me where you guys have him ranked in your rankings. I am very high. I've got him at quarterback four. So he's six for me in a four point and eight for me in a six point. So not as high. He's at three or four. Okay, based off of scoring.

Let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league. Well, the fine team here at the fantasy footballers was working very hard with Matthew Stafford this weekend. And we got it done, guys. A one year, 55, we have no audio. We have no audio. He'll probably fix it. He'll fix that.

A one year, $55 million extension. We just need everyone at home to know. We didn't hear it. Yeah, we didn't hear anything. But what you did? Back here we did. No, I did. I heard it like outside my ears.

Yeah, I heard you here. You're telling me it came through the headphones, huh? In our ears it did. Let's see. I think I got some. You got some routed wrong in your guys' mix. Oh, so it's in the show. You're routed.

So every time I hit this is just ruining the audio. Everybody else is hearing it. Okay. Well, that's how much money he's going to make in one year. Matthew Stafford. Over 150 million? Oh, no. You don't add it up.

Every time we hit the button, he gets. It's 55 more. One year, $55 million extension through 2027. That would mean Ty Simpson waits a couple years now to get a shot. Yeah. And that's what they said. They said that this is staff. I don't turn the 55 down next year.

No, this is Stafford's team for as long as he wants it. Ty is going to sit in the background from a dynasty perspective. I don't know that it changes much because I have been viewing Stafford as a two-year starter. But if you haven't, then it should because you don't look at having Ty Simpson available this year or next year. ESPN's Adam chapter reporting the chiefs have, quote, no plans to give Rashi Rice an extension before the start of the season.

What? I mean, of course. Like, of course not. Obviously. But at the same time, I think it was one or two episodes ago. It was just before the Rushie Rice news. It was just before that that I was saying, I'm just waiting for a couple big games, you know, start the season, have that fantasy value that always provides when he's on the field

in our main dynasty league, and then trade him immediately is just like a ticking time bomb to me. And this news doesn't help. Like if you're trying to unload Rashi Rice, you can't do it right now. I feel like right now is as low of value as you could get for Rice. It is a very terrifying bet. Dynasty, redraft, all of it. Which is exactly. where we were last year. Yep. So fool me twice. But also he rewarded fantasy managers once he played. John Wyden for us. Oh, this is so annoying.

I didn't want to report it. The Cardinals in quarterback, Jacoby Brissette are quote significantly far apart on a reworked deal for the upcoming season. Oh, man. The stupidest standoff of all time. I don't even care. Don't even show up. I don't care, Jacoby. The both of you is are dumb. I think he has no leverage. You're dumb.

You have no leverage. You have nowhere else to start. And I don't know that you're going to go anywhere else and get the guaranteed money that you can get from the Cardinals right now. Arizona, you're dumb. Why did you put yourself in this position where you didn't be like, hey, figure this out before everything? Let's talk to Jacob. Our plan is going to be he's the starter. Let's just give him a couple extra mill and we'll avoid all of this.

It's ridiculous. Jacoby won a, he won one game last year. I couldn't care less what happens. I really don't care. I mean, I care for Trey McBride. For fantasy purposes, we have to care. As a Cardinal fan, are you winning more games with Brissette than Minchew? No.

You're not. Both those guys will do the same thing when you won game. Yeah, I don't. Every 10 times they take the field. And then you've got back. So. I don't blame the Cardinals for not wanting to pay Jacoby Brissette any kind of raise because it's irrelevant. They already got Minchu and they've got back.

So you're fine. You don't need to give him. And I don't blame Perci and being like, oh, dude, I'm the starter. It's just we needed to figure this out. You should pay me. I think what will end up happening is they're significantly far apart. This is just posturing. And then he'll get a couple extra million dollars coming and be the starter.

It's too early in the off season for this kind of posturing for me to be afraid that he is not the starter. it does bring to mind the fact that Tray McBride was very like his his lapping the field numbers were provided by Jacoby Brissette so just keep that of mind we're going to talk about some teammates there on the wildcard segment

Chargers general manager came out and said the quote door the door is not closed for Keenan Allen to return to the charge I mean he has a key like Keenan can come in anytime he wants he just hey he's he knows the code to the lock

and I almost expect it. I mean, he can't. They put a physical lock on that door? Like a big old deadbolt? Yeah, I mean, it's digital. It's got to, it's eight, eight digit. Eight digit key. They're serious about security over there. I feel like I'd forget my coat all the time. Kenan's at an age where, remember, in that many digits might not work.

If Keenan comes back to the chargers, it muddies the water for Ladd-McConkie in particular. Correct. Which we saw last year. And then Aaron Rogers, letting us know early. He's going to retire after the season. or will he we think he seemed very emphatic and he's never said that before

I totally support him yes I think everyone we support you Rogers retire walk away it's time but you have my full support right now he's going

he's going for that Super Bowl yeah yeah Steelers fans can laugh at us when they somehow get it let's take a break and we'll jump into wildcards why did

why did Fred Durst appear on the screen there. We came back from the break. So come and get it. Yeah. Why was Fred Durst on the screen? What is it happening today? Yeah, I'm a mess. I was trying to get off the news one and I was going to the canvas and click the wrong one. Your default settings over there include Fred Durst.

He is right next to this one. Yes. That's Tampa Bay wide receiver. Fred Durst. That's right. Tampa Bay's draft big. Who can be the boss? All right. Let's jump in. Why are the brakes working? Because I cut the brakes. Wild card.

We are into the fantasy wild cards. It's fun to talk about these players, pretty polarizing players. I will say, like, I don't know why Al's off his game today. He has been playing a lot of golf. Yeah, the priorities are a little. And there's rumors that he may go to a two-glove golf system. And I imagine if he's got two gloves on right now, that's why the buttons aren't working good back there.

Do you know what I mean? You push your buttons with golf gloves on right now. I mean, Kurt Warner could pull off the two gloves. gloves. Teddy Bridgewater could pull it off. I'm not sure Al could pull off the two gloves. Has anyone in the NFL ever done three gloves? No, no, no, no, but like biker gloves, like they cut off at the knuckles.

Interesting. So you're like, you want those fingertips. But I mean, that's what I'm saying. You're like, this is completely aesthetic. This is not helping me. It's just helping me be an absolute legend. Ted, I mean, that would let you put like stick them on the hand part, but then you'd still have the feel of the fingers. And you'd look cool. That way on the sideline, way easier to use your phone. You know what I mean? Thumbs out. Yeah. Cool, man. Because that's what... Our wide outs are just scrolling in between. If they would be... If they were allowed, they would 100% just be sideline. And it would be all the

wide receipts. Who had the hot dog on the sideline? Was that Lamar? Oh, I don't remember. One of them made a hot dog. That would have been easier without gloves, right? Or do you wear hot dog gloves? Do you guys No, no, I had a hot dog. I mean, you know, the 9-10 turn. When you got that golf glove on. I saw the hot dog you had in your car. Is that where it came from? The golf course?

You had a car dog? I'm not taking questions at this time. But I can tell you that eating Mark Sanchez eating a hot dog. Eating a hot dog with a glove on is a problem. Let me tell you this, Jason. First of all, I saw the dog. Second of all, what were you thinking? You could have thrown away the evidence.

Instead, you left like, you left like a 16th of the hot dog in the container. and you didn't eat it. You didn't finish the dog. Look, I've got self-control, you know? I said enough's enough here. That sounds more like a guy who can't finish the job. To each their own. You can't finish the dog?

You think that was my first dog, Mike? Oh, okay. All right. Okay. Come on. He ate one and 1516th of a dog. I apologize. Kyler Murray.

Kyler Murray is our first wild card player. We'll talk about him. will declare a little breakout bust situation. Right now his Sleeper ADP is the quarterback 21 off the board. On Underdog Bestball League's QB17, he turns 29 this offseason. He's coming into revitalize Justin Jefferson and the offense. He'll compete with J.J. McCarthy.

And how was McCarthy so bad, guys? And how do we all know it so? convincingly. Because of last year when we watched him play. But I'm saying it just died. I feel like it did not make sense. Honestly, there is a world here. I mean, the wild card range of Kyler. If we want to talk about the floor, the bad, the worst case, there is a legitimate

chance that JJ McCarthy steps up, you know, goes into his sophomore year, is better, beats Kyler in, in camp. I mean, that is the- Sounds like you're selling a joke. It feels like it, right? now, but the opportunity is there for an honest competition. So if we're talking about the wild card of Kyler Murray, it starts with the fact that he is not guaranteed this job. Now, I think all three of us and the majority of the world believe Kyler will win the job because Kyler is

better. We've seen him play quality football. He was the number one overall pick. He brought the Cardinals to the playoffs. He was an MVP candidate at one point. I mean, he's had success, got injured, was disappointing, got kicked out of town because we were sick of him being the biggest coward in the pocket. I mean, that is, that was all of his problems was, it is. He was, he folded like a tent made out of toilet paper, man. I mean, they can't that those fold easily.

I feel like that's more of a disengary. That's a moisture disintegration. Exactly right. Okay. Listen, Kyler, Kyler's not the same player. That's the declaration that I'm going to make. Kyle's not the same player he was when he came into the league. Tyler's athleticism and pre-injury abilities are not the same as post-injury to me.

He's become disconnected from the team in Arizona at multiple times. He has lost his ability to step under the pocket and be patient. We can say, hey, you know what? Kevin O'Connell is going to fix everything. Except for Kevin O'Connell did not fix J.J. McArthur. He did not turn J.J. McCarthy into a player. So, you know, there's at least that reality in play. And to me, you look at the last 12 starts

that Kyle Murray played for fantasy purposes. Two of the 12 you're happy with. The other 10 disasters. These are healthy Kyler Murray on the field across two years. He doesn't do what he used to do. And unfortunately, like when we say breakout or bust, to me that puts him in a bus category for fantasy,

but he could still be a successful quarterback for Minnesota relative to what they had. And for Justin Jefferson, I just don't have as high of expectations as maybe you guys do. Yeah, I mean, I see the bulk. case that exists. You know, you definitively saying that Kyler is just not the same. He doesn't have the athleticism. You know, that is, that is definitely what we saw with the final stint of his career in Arizona. But also, I don't know how hard he's playing for that team, for this city. You know, a lot of the

issues was he wasn't going to stand there in the pocket and take a hit. Right now, he's playing for a career for a job, for a new organization to make sure, you know, I think there is motivation. Some of what he did poorly was really the mental, you know, part of the game. And I think that that is something that Kevin O'Connell can actually work on and fix. And when you say he didn't fix J.J. McCarthy, we don't know that McCarthy was fixable. It wasn't like. Might just be a turd. Right.

Unpolishable. This was, you know, a situation where Carson Wins. was not too bad in his brief stint there. Kyler, I believe, will have success for fantasy this year. I think he will be the starter. I think he will run the ball. And with the weapons he has, which is better than he had in Arizona with Justin Jefferson, I think this is probably a value in fantasy to me.

I don't see him being a top six quarterback most likely. But if you told me at the end of the year that he finished. quarterback five because he actually threw 26 touchdowns and also ran for 700 yards on this offense. I can see that in the range of outcomes. I thought maybe you had something to contribute there, Mike. I mean, um, he is truly a wild card of I can see both situations equally playing out. The fact that he's pretty dirt cheap in terms of ADP, he feels like a player that, if you're drafting a second quarterback in a single quarterback league,

that he's a great target for that because you might find out very quickly that it's actually going to work for him. I was just thinking through the weapons, okay, the weapons of Arizona versus Minnesota.

And it's a harder discussion we're going to be talking about Michael Wilson. How does a player who's capable of what Michael Wilson did in the second half of the year, be completely unused by Kyler Murray. Marv. Because Michael Wilson was almost completely unused by Jacoby Brissette when Marv was on the field. Like, it wasn't, it wasn't just that. You like, I mean, we'll get there with Michael Wilson. That's a pretty big overstatement.

He was used significantly, significantly less than the games where he didn't have Marve. Well, I think that that is still TBD. You know, just move it to Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson is the next wildcars. The reason I say TBD on Michael Wilson is because there was a clear and there was a clear and defined breakout of Michael Wilson that took place. I think everything from that point forward is solid evidence, but before they integrated him into the offense in that fashion, and I understand that it was as a result of Harrison missing time, like once the cat was out of the bag, so to speak, from that point on, even when Marv came back and had opportunities, It's every game that Marv So in the second half, from the by week out,

Michael Wilson has three red games. Those are the only three that Marv played? Marv didn't play from a 14 through 18. So Marv, he didn't play 14, 15, and then he came back and played less than half the snaps in the final two weeks. I would say week 16, because he didn't play a full game in week 17, but in week 16, Marv was there for...

51% of the snap. Yeah, still the majority of that game. But that was where Michael Wilson was two for 52. Now, Michael Wilson was a part of this team before Marvin Harrison was on it, right? Correct. One year prior. So, I mean, when you go out and you put up a 1,600-plus yard pace and a stretch, I feel like that is, I think that's amazing evidence over that long period of time of what you're capable of doing. Kyler never used him in that regard.

But I think he earned a very solid role on this office. I don't have either of these guys projected super high for what it's worth. Talking Marv and Wilson? For me, I have them both as wide receiver threes. I have Marv significantly ahead of Michael Wilson, but that's the whole reason why Michael Wilson's on the wild card. The second half of the year, he helped people win fantasy championships. He was a top 10 fantasy wide receiver.

So we have evidence that he can get it done. The issue, I think if we're not talking about Marv versus Michael Wilson alone, just Michael Wilson's outlook and outcome. Last year, we got to this place where we abandoned running the ball. We really couldn't run the ball. So we're speaking as a we for Arizona. For Arizona, yeah. That was impressive, Jason, because you were, you don't normally do that.

No, I don't because. I thought we were out. You're a big fan. You're a big fan. You know, your language does not say you're out. No, it doesn't. Habits are hard to break. You know, do you know how long I said San Diego Chargers?

okay this you know they weren't the san diego charges anymore but you know our Arizona cardinals that's your evidence yeah because I'm used to saying you know we or my team or whatever this all Travis A-chan thing is going to be tough for Jason is yeah it has been but think about how you know you you really James Connor got injured all the running backs got injured they just dropped back and through the ball every single snap I mean they threw they a lot of teams do that and no player produces like this yeah league leading pace of passing, but then you spend the number three pick on Jeremiah Love. You go out and get Tyler Algier. I think the evidence is not that we want to drop back and lead

the league in passing attempts. Obviously, if you're a bad team, into the game, you're going to be passing. But I think the upside case for Michael Wilson is nothing like what we saw at the end of last year. He was the only Pooka and Akua had more fancy points from week 11 through 18 last year, second half of the season. So what do you think, Andy, is, like best case, like he is that dude because he looked it on film. This current team, Marv Active, whatever. What is his bullish, most bullish, best fantasy finish? In terms of like wide receiver number?

Yeah. Probably 15. Yeah, if the season went that way, I mean, you're talking probably about 1100 yards and seven touchdown, something like that. I mean, I'm not trying to make a case to go. draft Michael Wilson and reach for him, but I'm saying that I want to reward, rather than just sit here and say, I'm seeing an ADP of 35, wide receiver 35. Yeah, I mean. So it's like this is, this is a free player. You're not, you are not over investing in. You're in, Michael Wilson is in the territory with Sutton,

Metcalf. I mean, he's, where's Marv? Don't you? He's number 34 from what I'm seeing, so right next to Wilson. Don't you feel like, I mean, it's much, Marv has much more to prove than Michael Wilson does. well he's got much higher expectations as well yeah both of them i'm just saying like there's a i think that there are a couple of outcomes like wouldn't you agree that we can mix marv into it as well but wouldn't you agree marv is a wild card marv who's going late in drafts and marv has like a make or break feeling to this season in arizona his dad's been vocal about the culture and opportunities for his son in arizona that likelihood that the cardinals are drafting dante more archmanning or one of these young quarterbacks going in an

next year resetting the development of Marvin Harrison is pretty high. I just want to give Michael Wilson credit for being able to accomplish with lots of other teams that try to go out there and throw the football all the time. Their receivers don't go up and put the second best numbers up in the entire NFL behind Pooka Nakua. And it wasn't just like luck of the draw. There were contested catches, touchdowns, all those big plays. There were short passes, middle of the field.

It was a very impressive showing by him. I think the worst thing that could happen for him, though, is Marvin Harrison taking targets? Because we know the number one on this team is Trey McBride. Like, he will lead the team in targets. That's why both of these guys are being drafted in the 30s. Right. So it has down, as you seem to be on Wilson, at that ADP, like, are you still under that? Oh, I'm way under that, yeah.

Oh, Mike, where are you? I have him a few spots ahead of ADP. I think I'm six spots ahead of ADP. 33, which is like nothing. You want to take Wondale in Tennessee or take a shot of Michael Wilson? Those are going to be your decision. Right. So I can't call him a bus for fantasy if that's his ADP.

Well, I mean, I don't think you're taking him where you're taking Wondale. I mean, like Mike said, D.K. Metcalfe, Mackay Lemon. I see him next to Brian Thomas Jr. Wondale is much lower. That's what I mean. So you're you are drafting Michael Wilson where there are important players that I, like I would rather take a shot on them. So range of outcomes, I mean, if we're saying kind of on this episode,

breakout or bust of these players and just kind of call the shot, we can all see both sides. I would be more on the bust side. But he played very well last year and looked the part on film. The problem is I need justice in the world. And the justice is this dude was awesome for your team. Marv was not. I don't care where Marv was drafted or what he was.

was drafted to be. Yeah, let's be the 49ers here and play the best players. Marv would love to put up a season like Michael Wilson just had last year. You got it. So I've got that's, that's what I mean of like I'm conflicted of. I have great news. Of what is right and just for the world. And I have great news for that justice. Okay. Michael Wilson is an unrestricted free agent at the end of this year. He's going to hit the free agent market and go be a legitimate wide receiver two for a team and be really good and play well and I think he'll be better in 2027 than he is in 2026. So so far we've

talked about Jacobi Resett in the news and then we've had to talk about Kyla Murray, the former Cardinal and then Michael Wilson the actual Cardinal? Gross. Can we not do this anymore? Are they exciting? Are there really fun, great players? Booty scooting Bayshall Tootin coming up. The Wild Card himself,

Bayshall Tooting of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Right now his underdog ADP is RB26. His sleeper ADP is RB23. in the fifth round. He's 24 years old, a fourth round draft pick. Played behind Travis H.N. Jr. last year among 55 qualified running backs. Fifth in rush success rate, fifth and percentage of yards after contact, tied with Bree saw for 11th, enforce miss tackle rate.

That's right. He was very limited in those opportunities. So you do tend to see efficiency numbers jump off the page, but you got to give him credit for him. He had 15 attempts in week 11. That was the most like single. It was the only double digit carry count of the season. So we just haven't seen a ton of Bayshaw Tudin.

We haven't. And the usage of Tudan, H.N's, thank you. A.C.N. He got rewarded. He got the bag and turned into Rumballaya. But it's like, I don't know if you guys,

remember it as as I do but the Jags in the playoffs there was this stretch where Tutin had three carries in a row I believe and there were like these huge 15 yard carries and they're like and that's enough to like the the way they used him was very bizarre for the the amount of success that he was having I know they brought Crodd in but I'm very much on the the Beychalt Tootin side as a breakout. It comes with risk, but that's baked into the ADP. And I just, I don't see a world where Tutin on this Jags offense that the Liam Cohen offense, we're, we're multiple years into the experience now. Just let the fantasy points, let them wash over. Like, I mean, that would have been, that's Bucky's year, right? Because two years ago was Bucky

on, on Tampa Bay, and that would have been Cohen, right? Yeah. And so, It's like he will, he'll give a guy a ton and ton of the work. And Tutin profiles to get the receiving work. Goal line is up in the air because both Crodd and Tutin were very successful at that. But it's like I feel like it's the incumbents opportunity and job to lose. And I think that Tutin holds on to it. Yeah, I'm a little bit more neutral. I'm very excited about the potential breakout here.

I don't, if you want to go in. Kyle looked it up. I was right. It was three carries in a row. in that playoff game, 2014, 13. Then they just, then they stopped giving them. Dude, that was the game against Buffalo. It was so bizarre.

They wanted to keep the offense on the field, Mike. If you score a touchdown too quick, your D has to come in and play. You got to take your time with it. Tudin's upside is certainly obvious to see. You've got a top 10 running back in fantasy last year that left this team. And there's a great offense. I think the offense we want pieces of. And this is why I think.

think Andy you like Trevor Lawrence so much because it's like oh is it Brian Thomas Jr. Is it Parker Washington? Is it who's going to be the one? Well, they all go to Tlaw. But the running game, they pass the ball. I mean, E.TN has gotten a lot, or A-chan has gotten a ton of passes from Trevor Lawrence. And so if it's Tootin catching the ball, who would you, Lequin Allen. Amir Dula. Those guys, it's really just a matter of will they bring in a really segmented backfield? Will they have their pass catcher, their goal line guy, they're between the 20 guy?

And then I could easily see this being a disappointing backfield. But usually good bets in fantasy are neutral, like ambiguous backfields on great offenses. Yeah. I mean, on one hand, you've got to look at Chris Rodriguez and say, look, he had the biggest opportunity last year that he's ever had. He turned 112 carries into 500 yards, scored six touchdowns, was 4.5 a carry. And they kept going back to Bill. He's still 26 years old.

The opportunities he got, he took advantage of in Washington. I agree. I just feel like it's a bit of a wild card. Yeah, both of these guys. I think that Beissel Tutin is more likely to be. the star than Chris Rodriguez, but the cost difference, I'm almost more likely to go in on, because Chris Rodriguez is left for dead. No, he's a double-digit round pick, just absolutely, you know, no one wants him. Uh, Bachel Tutin is not. He's being drafted, I think, is like the

running back 26. He's, by the time the season comes, he'll be being drafted as a, as an RB2. This is a one, this is one that you really want to watch closely in the camp battle as well. I think it's going to inform us a lot. You got to remember, too, like one, one little, there's two sides to this one. One, they didn't draft somebody. Right. They won nine of their last 10 games.

Travis A. Chan was a big part of their winning, and they didn't draft somebody. They could have tried to replace the position. So that says, hey, I have confidence at least in Tootin being there, and then bringing in C-Rod. The other thing about Tutin is he was on, he was on the injury report a couple times last year. Week 11, he was on the injury report, week

14 and he missed three games due to a finger injury. He's a little smaller than Chris Rodriguez is, so the goal line will be interesting there. But I lean, like if you're just saying, based on what we know now, being drafted, RB23, I probably lean pretty neutral to that spot, if I'm honest. It's probably worth taking a shot at 23. So the

evidence we have, you know, so for Cohen, you had Rumbalia with 260 carries and 52 targets. buckets. Bucky's year, two years ago, he had 207 carries and 52 targets. It's really about the passing game. And I'm going to project that Tutin will see the 50 plus targets here. And I bet he sees over 200 carries as well. 14 targets last year for Bayshall Tutton on the whole season.

The passing game out of the backfield was entirely Travis H.N. Jr., which is why I can kind of forgive Bayshall Tutin for not doing that. At Virginia Tech, he saw 12% of their receptions. that's a good enough number to say, okay, he can do that. You can do it better than C-Rod. Yeah, and that's the thing. I think the passing work for multiple years, the passing work out of the backfield has been where we get fantasy points

from the Jacksonville Jaguars. If it goes to Tutin, it's the worst checkdown opportunity in football, though, statistically speaking. In terms of routes run by the, like wasted routes from the running back position, it is the worst situation. Wasted routes as in lowest percentage of routes run targeted? Lowest percentage of, running back routes run targeted by the quarterback and checkdown.

Running a ton of route. Well, his checkdown percentage, it's a combination. It's the checkdown percentage of Trevor Lawrence combined with the wasted routes at the running back position. A piece of information that I, Kyle, we're sure on this? He's saying Chris Rodriguez was with Cohen. Oh, yeah. At Kentucky. Yeah, that was a reuniting.

Okay. But he's caught six passes in his life. That's not a joke. Crod. Cod. Six catches. As a pro. In his career.

but statistically speaking, Trevor Lawrence checks the ball down the least. So that's something to pay attention to as well. If you give me 52 targets, I'll take them. We'll take a break. We'll talk about some more wild cards. All right, we're back into the wild cards. What on earth do we do with Bucky Irving?

Someone tell me. I think you go in on Bucky Irving. I mean, personally, I know that they, the back behind him has been replaced. Kenneth Gainwell comes in, but as much as we don't like Rashad White, he was a valuable part of this team, a team leader. He was very involved.

He was a guy who got a lot of opportunities. Yes, he got a lot of opportunities. I think that last year, Bucky was injured. I mean, we know that, right? The shoulder injury happened. He was never the same. There were all sorts of, you know, he was frustrated even mentally with the physical injury,

just had another procedure on the shoulder. So we know it was never healed during last season. But he started the season, great. The team wants him to be that guy. I think he's going to have the opportunity to start to be that guy. I really do. So the question is just, do you think he has it or not? He's being drafted higher in terms of the sleeper ADP

than he is the underdog ADP right now, which is weird because the underdog is, you know, it's best ball. You're looking for upside. He is a true wild card. because Mike just, we were just talking about Liam Cohen's offense and how successful he was in it.

And how confident we have, you know, people are confident in Kenny Gainwell and the opportunities that he's had. And he was a league leading or the team leading receiver for Pittsburgh last year. I guess I say it this way. If Bucky Irving is struggling with injury to start the season,

Kenny Gainwell is the kind of guy that's going to make it really annoying for him to be the Bale Cal from that point on. Because I think Kenny Gainwell will have enough success in that opportunity. how tantalized are you by what bucky was able to do before he got hurt before the tumult of last year i mean you have to be pretty tantalized because bucky didn't do average stuff like we were going into last season talking about how almost universally we're out when a fourth round running back

hits as a rookie because they the team is not committed to them but the way that bucky hit was not like the way that we've seen you know what was the the the Texans uh damon damian Damien Pierce. You know, we knew, like, he had a great rookie season. It's like, eh, they're not committed to him. This is not their guy. That just didn't seem the way with. Bucky. Bucky was so explosive, so important. He took over that role in his rookie season when they liked Roshad White, and they're just like, we can't stop giving Bucky the ball. Highlight after highlight after highlight. And then last season, efficiency was way down. 3.4 a carry. Way down. 54th out of 55 qualifying running backs. 50 second and rush success rate.

zero carries inside the five. Sean Tucker is still there. If Gainwell's taking pass catching and Tucker's taking goal line, you've got a between the 20 shoulder problem. I am... I agree completely if Gainwell takes the pass catching. That would ruin Bucky. And he should probably.

If I was Tampa, that's what I'd want to happen. Gainwell's elite in that department. I think Bucky's better. As a pass catcher, I think he's better than Gainwell. And that's not to take anything from gainwell. He's very, very good at that as well. But I mean, Bucky can do special things, break plays that I don't think Gainwell is going to. Game well, just a solid, really capable pass catcher, but he's not a game breaker. Before the injury, that was the number that was really making the weeks for Bucky.

Oh, for sure. 4 for 4, 6 for 6, 4, 5 for 5 in the receiving game. It's an 80 target pace and an 80 reception base. And he had 47 recepts the year before. Baker's very good at feeding his running backs. Yeah, Rashad White was like 100% catcher. Bucky Irving, 100%. Remember when Cam Newton struggled with the checkdown throws to CMC sometimes?

It's too strong. Baker knows how to do it. Yeah, I mean, Bucky is certainly... I'm out. I'm out on ADP. You're both out. I'm out because of ADP, which is the whole question. I'm out because, yeah, I hate the ADP,

and I just feel like there's... so many ways for it to go wrong. Where's he being drafted? What running back number? I have him right now. 15. I mean, I've got him at my running back 16. So I've got him right about there.

Yeah, I'm just, I got him at 22. Maybe the lack of utilization inside the five was all shoulder. So they wanted Sean Tucker to be the hammer at that point. But knowing that these are the high. options that are in front and the money they gave gainwell. I find Bucky to be a very scary proposition there. Are you guys fine? You know, we talk about sometimes we got players that we just, like, we're fine being wrong on. Yes. Yeah, I'll say that. Are you fine being wrong on him? Because I think that if we are wrong, it's going to be a real, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this one's going to be

like, I don't think you're going to be fine. I think you're going to be real sad. Yeah, talent wise, are you taking him ahead of Kiron Williams, Jason? No, no, I've got Kiron in my top 10. Rees Hall? Yeah, I would take him ahead of Reese. Okay, there's, I mean, those are interesting names. And Henry, there's also one spot behind Bucky right now.

There's one big name that we have to talk about. We have to. We haven't done it enough. Henry, of course. Yes. Isaiah likely. Yeah. Tied into the New York Giants. We are... Post, post, post-hype sleeper. He's reunited with Harbaugh.

when he played football as the primary tight in without Mark Andrews he averaged 50 receiving yards per game 12 and a half fantasy points per game we have spent so much time talking about Malik neighbor's knee injury the ACL the meniscus the second surgery the timeline

they lost Wando and you look at who's going to fill the void in New York while neighbors gets back up to speed and then look if you have high expectations I know both of you do for Jackson Dart it's not going to come all on the back of one dude that's coming back from an ACL injury. You still have confidence.

We just haven't spent a lot of time talking about the other pass-catching options for the Giants that may be the main guys to start the season. They obviously have Slayton, but Malachi Fields was the draft pick. Isaiah likely comes in. Darnell Mooney is a part of this roster. I think a lot of people, I don't think we've talked about it enough, and I think a lot of people want us to talk about Isaiah likely. Signed a three-year, $40 million contract, $26 million guarantee.

Big boy contract. you know harbaugh came out and said when asked about Isaiah likely evolving into a high volume tight end for the giants he said the numbers you're talking about the stats that wasn't part of the thing in Baltimore because of the supporting cast so to speak it's going to be a big year didn't he also say likely it's going to be a pro bowler last year yeah he had a very pump him up this is why I'm calling him a post post I feel like every year he's

supposed to break out supposed to take over the Andrews role The narrative. It's not abnormal for tight ends to be post, post, post, post. Sure. Injokos of the world and Ingram took a long time. But the tracking the narrative of Isaiah likely is extremely difficult. Like when Andrews re-upped, and I know Harbaugh's not the GM, but they chose Mark Andrews to give him an extension last year.

And like Harbaugh, I'm sure at that time was like, yeah, I'm going to be, I'll still be the coach of Ravens and it's like yeah let's okay we got Andrews longer and and likely just likely was was needed I mean Baltimore pass catchers it has been a problem for forever you have flowers and Mark Andrews and then it's like the ghost of Rashad Bateman and like okay well we got Hopkins here for a couple catches and you've got Lamar to throw them all they really really needed someone and it just never happened for likely so it's the how why does it work this time. That's like it's the question for me. One thing I'll say and you guys talk about whether you agree whether it's a problem for him is that when you watch Jackson Dart have

success last year, neighbors wasn't on the field. But one thing he did do was you connect to Theo Johnson frequently. Six out of the 10 game, in a 10 game stretch six times, Theo Johnson was the top 10 fantasy tight end. I think we'd all agree, Isaiah likely brings a little bit more to the table, versatility, big playwise than Theo Johnson does. Theo Johnson brings some big myths and some opportunities, but it was a priority to get the ball to the tight end. I wonder if we could be undercounting that part of the offense for New York. We could. I just, it's the, the history of likely of how to, with the same guy. Are you thinking it's unlikely? Yeah, it's unlikely. Yeah, look, the money, the money says it should work and the opportunity says it should work. I just

don't. You know, the money says big plans. The money says big plans. And I just don't. see Jackson Dart having success without likely being involved. Bringing up Theo Johnson can be, can work in both directions. That's what I was saying. Maybe it hurts you because you're going to split. Yeah, exactly. I think it's one of those where Theo Johnson's not just going to disappear. Theo and Jackson Dart have like a close personal relationship as well. They're both going to be on the field. I mean, last year you had the Andrews likely and it works and they were a good team. I think likely's great for the giants. But, and maybe this is the fantasy burns of having Isaiah

likely in my main dynasty leagues forever. You still got him? Yeah. I'll take him. You may have him for any first round pick you'd like that. Okay. Okay. I'm just saying. Off around the table. He's good. Look, wildcar breakout. He acted out of me. Wildcar breakout. Isaiah likely. Probably going to

dominate. Oh, no. What are you doing? Oh, he's just throwing out some new stuff to try to get the tradeoff. We know statistically since... Look at this. A second. Hold on. 27 seconds. Let me read Jason's sweet, sweet lineup here. Here's his four tight ends. Oh, yeah. The baggage carried by these four tight ends and dynasty is incredible. You ready for this, Mike?

I'm ready. We got Isaiah likely of the New York Giants. We just talked about him at length. Don't worry, we still got- Future superstar. Still got Mark Andrews. Yeah. There's a lot of money in those two tight ends. Then we've got just, he don't got a team, but it don't matter.

He got Darren the Walleris sitting there on the bench. Oh, any moment now. I mean, we. Not to be outpaced by. Kyle Pitts on this bench, baby. Pitts, Waller, Andrews, likely, Mm. I mean, two old stars, two future stars.

How do you build a dynasty roster any better? I don't think you can. I don't think you can. So statistically, one Gadsden away from a perfect roster. Hey, I made a tradeover for Fanon. Since 2010, 78% of tight-in breakouts occur before year five. I sent you a trade-over day.

And Isaiah likely is going into year five. So it would make his business. break out statistically in outlier. Unlakely. Yes. It's not the pun. But you already did the pun. I know. You can't go back. Yeah, you can go back to that. You can't pun the pun. But you can rename.

Now he is Isaiah. It's also the natural thing you should have said. It was just a natural thing. I made him an offer Mike. For likely? Yeah. Theo Johnson for Isaiah likely. That's it's interesting. Yeah, I mean statistically speaking,

more likely that Theo Johnson has a breakout. at this stage of his career. Yeah. He probably rejected it already. Okay. I mean, some good stuff brought to light there. I think how does Jackson Dart succeed without neighbors and without likely? I think Scataboo is going to be probably the second leading target receiver on this offense.

I believe the checkdowns will be there. Like the Christian McCaffrey level usage is possible for SCAT. I mean, by the end of the season, I still wonder how strong he'll be to start the season. How high do you have SCAT on your ranks? Probably not high enough. I've got SCAT right now at running back 15. Only because I... 80s 19, so you're up above...

Only because I have him getting off to a slow start. Because if I was, if I saw the fully healthy SCAT... What if he gets off to a fast start? Then he will be like the running back six. The Giants is just a bunch of injury. monitoring we got going on here for training camp. Theo Johnson, it took him two years to, in his

second year, he's had a higher statistical season output than likely he has him four years. You know what I mean? This is... Look, this is why this is so confusing. If he was not signed. Theo would be one of the... My chips would have been all in on Theo Johnson.

Theo would have been one of the biggest like breakout candidates to tie it in for the year. I was my body was fully prepared for a Theo Johnson breakout call. but then they signed I like I likely I likely

I'm a robot I mean that is that is I like that I heard I Carly in my but it's like what why you had Theo it's weird maybe this trade I should pull it back hold on it's alright

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