Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - WR Rankings Countdown: 20-11 + Puka Panic - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/6

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

Wide receiver rankings and debates on today’s fantasy football podcast! Plus, the latest Brandon Aiyuk trade rumors and more! Will Drake London and Chris Olave live up to the hype? Will the Puka Nacua injury cause big ADP changes for Cooper Kupp? Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for August 6th, 2024. 2024 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com (00:00) - Intro  (06:20) - Waiver Wire (16:50) - NFL News (17:00) - Brandon Aiyuk trade possibilities (27:00) - Wide Receiver Rankings (27:30) - Drake London (33:25) - Brandon Aiyuk (34:55) - Devonta Smith (39:50) - DK Metcalf (43:00) - Cooper Kupp (48:10) - Jaylen Waddle (51:35) - Nico Collins (56:45) - Mike Evans (01:00:00) - Chris Olave (01:06:10) - Marvin Harrison Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Waiver Wire presented by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Visit youtube.com/fantasyfootballers News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome in. That's, you know. Is that the anesthesia? I guess. I felt fine. I don't know what that was. It sounded fine. Sure, sure. It's a really good start.

Did you hit your mute button along the way? Possible on this side of the desk. Welcome in to the Fantasy Footballers. I heard that it was hotter than the devil's butt cracking here yesterday. It certainly was. I just noped out. Nature's pocket. I can't believe that you get to miss one show and it was when the AC goes out.

Yeah, I was fighting, thought about giving it a go yesterday, just got done with some dental surgery because that's my life now. And then I was like, you know, I probably shouldn't do that. And then all of a sudden these Slack messages come in and it's, oh, the air conditioning's not working. And then our team scurrying onto the roof, saving the day. And then my expectations immediately, anytime i miss a show it goes i knew i knew we had a new segment which was awesome the ready to roll segment talking about

the red zone opportunities you know the change in defenses down there really enjoyable then i knew we had news to talk about and then i knew you guys you know it's a mock draft episode yeah and left to your own devices i expected three four five hour show yeah so you guys, you know, it's a mock draft episode. Yeah. And left to your own devices, I expected three, four, five-hour show. Yeah. So you did pretty good. And then I get in here today, I'm like, you know, I'm going to keep it tight. We got way too much to do today. This is a massive show today.

The fact that we're trying to get through as many wide receivers, we've got as much news as we have, and we're going to be talking dynasty waivers. It's a big episode. I feel like I could talk news for the whole show. All that's going on with Brandon Ayuk will be brought up, discussed, and now that we're every day, I mean, we'll probably have news

during the show. We could. And we could have it after the show, but we get to talk about all the rumors and implications. And I think the one thing not being talked about at all, Brock Purdy. And how this affects Brock Purdy and the 49ers offense if Brandon Ayuk the rumors and implications and i think the one thing not being talked about at all brock purdy and how this affects brock purdy and the 49ers offense of brandon ayuk departs which is looking more and more likely so yeah jason mentioned it we've got wide receiver rankings countdown on

the show today 20 through 11 on our consensus rankings and then 10 through 1 tomorrow the nfl news we just mentioned and we've got a Waver Wire Dynasty edition today to get into. I mentioned it at the top, the Ultimate Draft Kit. You can get in there right now. Lots of updates over the last week. A lot of players to be thinking about as these initial depth charts come out. For some teams, it matters. For some teams, you hope it doesn't matter jason mentioned

today uh bo nicks quarterback three behind zach wilson on the depth chart behind listen to that again behind yeah zach wilson yeah that one that one makes 100 with the sean payton yeah I know I know so it's like very well earn it he's gonna earn it you're like he did didn't I tell you you did or you drafted him in the first round have I been is this all private where I tell you Sean Payton sucks or is that has it been public I think that's been mostly private I don't think you've said that on the show and I and I you and I have a vast disagreement on that, but you don't like that dude. I just think he's Dennis Allen with a ring. You know what I mean? I think he sucks.

I think when you get him. And a Netflix movie. Even that existing tells me what that man thinks about his career. The dude was overseeing a team that people on his coaching staff, maybe Peyton was not involved, but people under his coaching staff were offering money to players to hurt other NFL players. He gets suspended for a year.

For a year. And then they're like, hey, let's turn this into a feel-good movie here. And cast it very interestingly. Why isn't he coaching at the nfl don't worry about that he's helping out a bunch of ragtag kids right now i know people like sean payton i do but drew breeze is is in my opinion the reason sean payton is so heralded and and sean payton has you know some people sniff their own farts. He's got a fart room, dude. He saves them for years. He goes in there nightly to take a whiff. It's airtight.

Nothing escapes that room. It's pressurized because he just keeps adding to it. Goes in that room, adds a little bit of air. Yeah, no, Sean Payton was the Saints head coach from 2006 through 2021. Breeze played for the Saints from 2006 to 2020.

So, you know, until 2006 through 2021, Breeze played for the Saints from 2006 to 2020. Huh. So, you know. So, I guess Peyton on blast today. Yeah. I'm not saying I wouldn't have done it. Like, if I'm Sean Peyton and I lost my Hall of Fame quarterback, you get out. Oh, guys, it's just, it's rough. I need a break.

I need a break. I'll be back. I don't like him. Hey, it's rough. I need a break. I need a break. I'll be back. I don't like him. Hey, it's opinions. You know what I mean? Let's jump into our new segment today. Welcome to the Waver Wire, presented by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Well, we're kicking off the Waver Wire segment early here in August before kickoff because...

Because it's still open. It really is. And leading up to kickoff, you've got a lot of battles in training camp. You've got a lot of dynasty decisions to make. In fact, I am often annoyed at the astuteness of, of course, Al Borland in our dynasty league to constantly be making little tweaks and little pickups all of his own devices. And by that you mean Kyle, his co-manager,

who leads the way. Yeah, this is interesting. We're going to be talking about a lot of the, today specifically, some of the running backs you should pay attention to in Dynasty Leagues that still might be on the waivers. Also, we have our Dynasty show that comes out on wednesdays we're gonna be talking about the nasty boys of summer on tomorrow's episode so if you want more of this you'll get

that um tomorrow but today we're specifically looking about like the insurance running back uh options out there in dynasty leagues last year if you don't remember, Kyron Williams, he was the backup. That's a backup, yeah. Yeah, you know, it was Cam Akers. It was Cam Akers who was the guy, and Kyron is, you know, nothing. And then in week one, Cam Akers saw 22 opportunities. So it was like, yeah, this is Cam Akers. And then he never saw another snap.

Kyron became a revelation. And so, yeah. So can we find this year's Kyron Williams? Yeah, players that have carved out roles in training camp and have an opportunity there. And so we're looking at, from a waiver wire perspective, insurance running back changes. I had no memory of Akers getting that much work.

Yeah. Because week one, Kyron was awesome for fantasy football. But yeah, Cam Akers had 22 attempts for 29 yards. 1.3 yards a carry. Kyle, you should dig up Cam Akers' ADP last year because he was – Oh, I think he was a dead zone running back. Yeah. So like four to six or something.

But I mean, there was a period of time of great excitement for Cam Akers and the potential because you know what the system does. But there are other situations out there worth paying attention to. And so we're going to bring up a handful of running back names, Jason. You want to kick us off with one of them? Yeah. The waiver wire segment. Yeah.

If you were watching the Hard the hard knocks new york giants they have a little segment on tyrone tracy jr uh rookie running back for really hit the giants yeah oh that's the end of his name that sounded like his class in school yeah uh he's a junior for the new york giants a junior uh he was a fifth round pick 16th overall, and he's an older prospect. They talked about this on that episode. They discussed the fact that they saw that almost as a positive because they knew he would go later in the draft. He's got more experience.

He played six seasons in college. Not many players get to say that uh he was a former wide receiver turned into a running back so some of these things that were we like that usually we do i mean that's uh antonio gibson was a wide receiver turn it was also a dj david wasn't david johnson yes dav, David Johnson was a wide receiver turned running back. So this is the type of depth chart where last episode I took Devin Singletary because it was like there's no one there. Like it has to be Devin Singletary. But also that means if Devin Singletary gets injured or he's just not that good.

Or Tracy just carves out a third down roll. That's what I see here is it's like Singletary's history. You know, we can say how well he played at the end of last year. He did not start the season as a starter. He's been beaten out by Zach Moss in Buffalo to be a starter. And, you know, what? I was just left off. I was on solo cam for a long time while you were talking.

I'm like, why is the camera on me? Mid-season form back there. Yeah, put Deucer's Alley on there and raise your hand if your name is Papa Josh. Go ahead and hit that button because they won't do it. All right, there you go. So that one's on Papa Josh? Yeah. The podcast listeners were fine.

He's probably putting in a waiver claim right now. Yeah, he's distracted. But no, I mean, Tracy has the opportunity to carve out a role. listeners he's probably putting in a waiver claim right now yeah he's distracted uh but no i mean tracy has the opportunity to carve out a role and honestly if he took third downs away from singletary that would impact your your hopes and dreams for singletary but there's a couple other names worth mentioning as well denerick prince mike yeah kansas city running back there's no jared mckinnon in the picture right now and And then Eric Prince was a former undrafted free agent. He sure was.

He's a speedster. Yeah, 4'4", 1", but he ran that at, like, he's 6'2", 116 pounds, in which, like, 215, honestly, to me, that's the running back weight. Like, if you get an elite player at that weight, it just seems to be the perfect match. And he has been running. Clyde Edwards-Alaire came back, former first-round pick, and the presumption would be, well, okay, Clyde will come back.

He will be Pacheco's backup. That has not been the case, at least so far in training camp. It has been Prince, and Clyde Edwards-Alaire has been running with the second team where Prince is getting run with the ones. So he looks like he will be the back. I think Pacheco is going to be a true workhorse running back. I do too. So this is strictly an insurance policy, but this is a big-time insurance policy.

You need an insurance policy on someone that runs the way that Isaiah Pacheco runs. I mean, he is. Sometimesacheco runs i mean he is sometimes the ground pushes back he is the cartoon into the wall he's a brutal runner and uh he's seen that i mean he shoulder labrum tear in 2022 a hand finger fracture in 23 uh another shoulder injury missed two games in 23 a head cranial concussion grade one like you know this it's what i'm just i'm just reading the head cranial come on man just say concussion i was just reading i'm ron burgundy um here's the thing about kansas city which is some one of the reasons we love andy reed is because he will play the best players isaiah pacheco is not you know there i think

there were other teams that if and Reid's not the head coach, Clyde gets a lot longer run because of the draft capital invested. So they made the decision at one point in time to say, hey, Pacheco, you're going to, you're just going to usurp this guy that we spent a first-round draft pick that Patrick Mahomes loved. And so that's not to say that I think Prince would usurp Pacheco. It's just to say that it's not a surprise to me on this roster that he's going to have more opportunities than he would on another

roster despite Clyde being there and then people need to take this approach more like play coaches better players play the better like look at look at Brock Purdy you know what I mean? Brock Purdy was the last pick in the draft where they had spent a ton of capital on Trey Lance, and they're just like, yeah, but he's better. That guy's better. I mean, Kirk Cousins back in the day, you know, getting to obviously an injury to RG3 started it, but then it was like, he's good. He's a good quarterback. Like, if you're a good player and you're showing out in it was like, he's good. He's a good quarterback.

If you're a good player and you're showing out in camp, just be allowed to start. This is the most basic, common sense type of. Yeah, but it's, I will, just the other side is, it's not as easy as that because you, the criticism that you will get by going with, like if that player doesn't. It's sunk cost fouls. If they don't have immediate success.

With Brock Purdy had immediate success, so it's an easier transition. But like if you're seeing things in practice that, oh, this is the player who should go out, but this is the player who was picked to go out. There's a lot of public stuff out there that it is. Some coaches can handle it, and some coaches are just like their seat at the table is not secure enough that it's hard to. Like if you go to the owner and say, well, we evaluated the process

and this seventh-round pick is going to be the guy to go win, your owner can get real big mad at you. And I want to – I'm going to close this out real quick, just throwing two names. Jordan Mason. Pay attention to Jordan Mason in San Francisco just because they've been so committed to Elijah Mitchell as the backup, but recently Kyle Shanahan's talked about the fact that there's –

even though there's no fall off in Elijah, JP's running at a high level. We know Elijah Mitchell gets hurt all the time, and that is a high-value running game. And then Isaac Guarindo is really out of the picture at this point in time due to injury and the depth chart. In fact, I spent a decent amount of off-season fab securing Isaac Guarindo, and it's just depending on your roster and what's out there on the waiver wire. I am sitting there in the sunk cost fallacy with Guarindo going,

well, I spent some off-season fab, but this guy is easily fourth on the depth chart, and it's not a depth chart that I'm expecting to get. I don't know. It's a tough one. It's just a tough one. And then Trey Sermon, former 49er running back. Who I spent a lot of capital on. Yeah, a long time ago.

But Trey Sermon in Indianapolis looks like the backup to Jonathan Taylor who's dealt with injury concerns. Yeah, he's the clear number two there. They lost Zach Moss, who obviously had great success last year. They didn't go out and draft running backs. They didn't really replace anybody, and Trey Sermon has that job. So when you're in a dynasty league, those guys shouldn't be on waivers. The backup running backs shouldn't be on waivers because when an injury happens,

you should be looking at which roster was smart. And it's usually Brooks. Brooks? With the backup running backs. He hoards the backup running backs. Yes. Every time it's like, oh, yes, let me go to the waiver wire of this injury. It's like, ah.

And then it's title after title after title after title. For you and I, but no, Brooks has zero. Thanks again to NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Watch every game every Sunday when you bundle NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV. Sign up today at youtube.com slash fantasy footballers, local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday Ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games.

Device and content restrictions apply. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. All right. Are you not entertained? Here we go. If you're not following the saga of Brandon Ayuk on Twitter, well, welcome to the saga because this is a fun time.

Well, the teams, they are circling. Brandon Ayuk has been given permission to negotiate new contracts. There are frameworks already agreed upon. This is all official reports that Brandon Ayuk has, or rather the 49ers. The teams have agreed on compensation. Yes, the 49ers have a framework of the compensation for a trade with both the Patriots and Browns, which is wild. Cleveland's deal, if Ayuk were to agree to a contract with Cleveland would likely send Amari Cooper. It feels like it has to.

To San Francisco. Just cap-wise. And why I've been so much on the side of I don't think they trade Brandon Iuke is because it doesn't make sense of if this team loses Brandon Iuke, not that they don't have weapons. Oh, it's damaging. It's like your offense takes a huge hit, and you're trying to win the Super Bowl this year.

So you control Brandon Ayuk's future. Why would you just trade him away? But if you're making a move and you're getting Amari Cooper back, which his – Kyle, he pulled up his contract because Cooper did just get a little bit more money. But his contract will be far more manageable than Brandon Ayuk. He didn't get more years. He just got more money.

Okay, more money. And, like, Cooper, I think Brandon Ayuk at this point is a better wide receiver, but it's still, if you get Amari Cooper and Debo, you're still in a very good place. So this trade makes total sense to me should Brandon Ayuk green light whatever contract Cleveland's offering. Makes sense for the 49ers. I can't imagine being a team, like if I'm the Browns and I say, I'm not talking about the Browns, I'm talking about the 49ers. If I want to bring Ayuk in,

I'm like, oh dude, we've got Amari Cooper and Najoku. If we bring Brandon Ayuk in, we can really have a rock solid offense. But it's like trading. I don't think that Brandon Ayuk is so much better than Amari Cooper that it's also worth compensation because you're getting rid of draft picks to do this deal, more money, and then you're just replacing your wide receiver one with maybe a better wide receiver one, obviously a more youthful long-term wide receiver one, but this isn't a long-term move if you're giving away draft picks.

On that side, it makes no sense to me. Well, I mean, Cooper would be gone. Yeah, Cooper is a free agent next year. I'd rather have Brandon Aikden or Marty Cooper if I'm the Browns. Yes. And it's an investment in your long-term alpha. They spent the offseason money on Judy, who they believe in. There's been a lot of, you want to talk about Dynasty waiver wire buzz. I mean, Cedric Tillman

has been the star of camp. Sure. I think they feel okay about that room, but, you know, you talk about other teams, commanders, with Jayden Daniels, you've seen those calls and the rumors with Brandon Ayuk. The Steelers have been involved. We don't have word that

there's trade packages figured out there for compensation, but Brandon Ayuk will dictate some of this because he's going to tell these teams what kind of contract he's going to agree with. New England would be sending Kendrick Bourne, whatever. New England is the

place that is a little bit terrifying for Mike. I feel like Mike has single-handedly been responsible for IUX trade not being completed yet. Because every time. Because they're offering me crap. Offering you. Yeah.

Me personally, my dynasty squad. I feel like Mike is the ghost in IUX's head, just not letting him feel comfortable with any of these trade destinations. Because you just invested in Iyuken Dynasty. And when you hear those four team names, if you are out there and you're thinking about Brandon Iyuken long-term, where does the terror begin? I mean, if he goes to Pittsburgh. Sure, let's run through them. If he goes to Pittsburgh.

I'm off the show. That's terrible. I don't think so. You don't think that's terrible? I'm deceased. Well, it's not good. There is not enough in Pittsburgh to go around with – I think George Pickens is good. I think Brandon Ayuk is better.

But with what that team will want to be, I don't know that there's enough to have both of them come through. It'd be really good for the Justin Fields is the starter world. Oh, yeah. Because if he has Pickens and Ayuk and Friar Muth and Jalen Warren and then he's running the football. I mean, like if Justin Fields – we have not talked about this enough. If Justin Fields wins this job, which is becoming –

you know, Russell can't play right now. Yeah, so wild. If he wins this job, because there's a report right now from Brooke Pryor from ESPN talking about it being more of a competition than initially appeared. If he wins that job, I just want to make it so incredibly clear that Justin Fields goes from being an irrelevant

player on draft day to potentially more relevant than, in my opinion, even Anthony Richardson. Oh, to a league winner. To an absolutely a top five quarterback. We've talked about how Anthony Richardson in the fifth, Kyler Murray in the seventh, 10th round, Jaden Daniels. I mean, you add in the mobility of Justin Fields.

And this is, again, why I think fantasy scoring is broken. And it's stupid that someone like Justin Fields, who might be able to beat this version of Russell Wilson, probably not, but maybe he's got a shot since Russell Wilson's got a calf strain, could come out and just win everybody fantasy football leagues because he runs so well and has some weapons. 43% of his fantasy points, talking about Justin Fields, 43% in his career have come from rushing. And the truth is...

And he outscores almost everybody. He has absolute top five. I mean, he could be the number one quarterback. I don't think that that is impossible. I really don't. Not with big play guys like Ayuk and Pickens, who made plays with really bad quarterback play already last year. Yeah, so did DJ Moore with really bad quarterback play from Justin Fields.

So to lay it out for fantasy, honestly, let's say, and I'm going to take Justin Fields out of the equation, just this year, if he goes to Cleveland and Amari Cooper goes back, I think that Brandon Ayuk will still be good. If you believed in Amari Cooper for fantasy this year, you should believe at least equally in Brandon Ayuk if he's the only guy in Cleveland. I think that he will be a top 20 guy with a chance that

with the investment of picks and money, they go all in and he becomes a true target dominator. Going to New England, that really, really sucks for this year. Long term, if Drake May hits, that could turn into a huge win, but this year it would be terrible. And then Steelers is, I think, even long term is not great. All right. We'll be paying attention with bated breath,

and if Cooper doesn't go back to San Francisco, it doesn't help Brock Purdy. It might help your George Kittle like you guys were talking about, but it's not going to – Purdy, you want the weapons. It's really funny. I'm glad you brought that up because I've thought a lot about Debo to the moon and George Kittle even above Kincaid definitely being in those top five. To the stars. I would say the further

one is Debo. The stars, yeah. Debo to the stars. Kittle to the moon. I think that's fair. Kittle to the satellites. Kittle's Like Starlink? That's low orbit man. We gotta get out the outer orbit. High orbit. Like the asteroid belt at least.

Where's the Tesla? Isn't there a Tesla in orbit? Which orbits that? Oh. You're talking about a car. Yeah. They did do that. They launched a Model S.

They did do that at one point. It's in space. It's in orbit right now. But to bring it back home, I've been excited. I've been excited about- Bring it back to Earth. Yes. What a random poll.

Debo and Kittle are so exciting if the targets go away from Brandon Ayuk. The numbers when Debo's on the field without Ayuk, they're outlandish. His yards per outrun and stuff is just mind-boggling. But it's a real hit it is a very big downgrade for brock purdy who's a pocket passer if you don't have the extra deep threat the big play touchdowns uh available as readily and then go ahead george kittle has averaged nearly eight targets a game when iuk is out all right we also have a quick Jordan Addison update. We won't linger too long, but he's been charged with two misdemeanors for his July DUI arrest.

Three-game suspension is the NFL standard DUI policy. It could end up more. He has a hearing on October 7th. It'll be very up in the air. Does that get pushed? Does he get a mid-season suspension? But expect at some point this year or next year, Jordan Addison will get at least a three-game suspension.

All right, that was today's News & Notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. We'll take a break and come back with our wide receiver rankings countdown. All right, just checking in. rankings countdown. Alright, just checking in. We don't have more Brandon Ayoub news yet, right? Nothing yet. No more rumors. Is Ayoub tantalizing anything on... What's the social media

status of Ayoub? Does he have emojis out there? Has he been switching any of his pictures? Yeah. Is he wearing another jersey? Yeah. What's the colors of his most recent picture? I'm on it. Yeah. Take a deep research here. In the meantime, let's begin.

Wide receivers. All right. It is time to look at our half PPR rankings at the wide receiver position. Okay. Yeah. I see his last one is a picture of him against the Lions.

So maybe the Lions are in play. Ooh. You know, just throwing that out there. Or Lions have mains. Okay. Maybe his main team that he wants to go to. Oh, I thought you were going to New England. I don't know.

Let me know where he goes someday. Okay. All right. We are looking at our 20 through 11 today. And this will be fun. There's some discrepancy quite a bit, actually, starting at number 20 with Drake London. I've got him at 20 on the dot.

That's where he ended up in our consensus because Jason's got him at 12, Mike at 26. He's 23 years old. I hate my ranking. I'm just letting you know that. You are morally opposed? It's just his, that's where he fell in the projections, and it's not like a gigantic gap point-wise between him

and, say, where Andy has him at 20. And the upside is not – that's why we have an upside meter in the UDK because that is not reflected in my median projections. Yeah, I mean, we're sitting in this stage with Drake London of excitement for the future, fear of a Garrett Wilson-style letdown from last year where you came in with expectations that weren't delivered on because you haven't had it, and then you don't want him to become

that perennial McLaurin DJ Moore of days of old. So I think there's some fear, and I think that there's going to be a big variety of rankings on Drake London. I think that there's going to be a big variety of rankings on Drake London I think that some people hearing uh you know Jason at 12 might say it's a little aggressive but I think there's other people that are going to say that's right where he belongs ADP says that that's low yeah yeah I will say that he is scary to rank there because he hasn't done it yet obviously that's that's difficult. But when you look

at the trifecta of the Garrett Wilson, Drake London, Chris Olave trio that was drafted together, they have looked great on the NFL field. They've done some stuff. There's a lot of excitement for them. And you have to say, well, what about about the quarterback situation I believe Drake London has the best quarterback of the three today now we Achilles injuries and coming back from them you know maybe maybe he's not the same obviously that's true for uh Garrett Wilson's quarterback as well and Aaron Rodgers and a lot of people will be like wait you think Cousins is better than Aaron Rodgers I do at this point I think-year-old version of Aaron Rodgers is not going to be as good as Kirk Cousins. But if Kirk Cousins, if Drake London is very good at playing wide receiver, which he has looked on the metrics that matter, the yards per

outrun in his career, he's 2.47 yards per outrun in three wide receiver sets. That number is outstanding. If Kirk Cousins still has it, how does Drake London not finish in the top 15 as a wide receiver one? He absolutely should. There's questions about – It's just scary. Yeah, and you have some kind of jack-of-all-trades players on this roster uh kyle pitts is not a you know kyle pitts is an athlete that can be lined up and run down the field be john robinson especially

with tyler algea there like robinson can be used in the passing game tremendously obviously mooney was an addition and then just questions about how a new look offense is going to you know succeed under zach robinson All those things factor into the variability, but he sits at 20 in our rankings with upside. That's factored in without question. And, you know, the talent is there. Like if you guaranteed me targets, my ranking changes. If you can guarantee me enough targets.

I don't know how you cannot guarantee that. Like, that's what I don't get. This is the Ram system coming over that plays at a faster pace, three wide receiver sets, throws the ball a lot, and he's such an alpha within this. You know, I'll grant you that Kyle Pitts and Bijan are going to be very involved, but that's the, you know, a tight end and a running back.

In the wide receiver room, which is the primary target. Well, I mean, the last two years, 117 targets, 110 targets. Yeah, I mean, Arthur Smith running the ball nonstop. I guarantee you a conversation has been had of how do you not get – look at this guy. He's the alpha. There's nobody else. How do you not get – look at this guy. He's the alpha. There's nobody else. How do you not get Drake London in the football?

So I'm not going – I don't fall into the every new offensive coordinator is amazing and it always works out. That's all I'm saying. So there's a prove-it aspect to this season for Drake London because we all said if Terry McLaurin got 160 targets, he'd be fine. We all said these players should be getting them. Right. I mean, we waited for years for the DJ Moore breakout as well took a long time but you're you're this season you're going to have to go in early and you know make your claim for it and and honestly I know I'm sitting here saying like he

should get the targets everything should work out I'm terrified when when I'm on the clock and he's the highest ADP and he's the next highest in my rankings, I often still don't take him because it's hard when you're going into year three and you're saying, please break out. I mean, you have to draft him to be your one. You have to, pretty much. And so that's kind of where we were with Garrett Wilson, and it didn't work out for people last year, so there's a little bit of a fear. I'll tell you right now,

I just looked left at the back wall trying to see the clock for the show. Is it back there? Uh, it is not, but 1200 shows told me it would be. So I just, for those listening at home, Mike and I are swapped spots again,

um, due to my grotesque appearance. Um, which I'm looking at it. Yeah. I don't know why we didn't take into account my feelings. No, I mean, it's disrupting to the show in every regard. It's Gerose.

How's that feel? It feels good. It feels real good. There ain't nothing I can do. 19 is Brandon Ayuk. We just talked extensively about him. The ranks are going to jump all over the place based on the trade destination. Right now, he's at 19.

I've got him at 16. Mike at 17. Jason at 22. This was the most efficient wide receiver last year. Big play guy. We talked about if he stayed in San Francisco, some of the pitfalls of matching those efficiency numbers again because of fantasy points per target were so incredibly high

and the big plays. But this is a hyper-talented player about to get paid, it seems like, by another team. And these rankings, they're just going to move. Yeah, I mean, TBd on what his uh target market share will look like and who his quarterback is i won't ask you every i won't ask each of you this question but jason i'm real quick you have my 22 is that factoring in trade rumors no not at all that was as a niner and then if i say a team name i just want you to say where you think he'll end

up when you restat him. I know it's not going to be fun, but you're going to do it anyway. New England. 26. Pittsburgh. 25. Cleveland. 18.

So he goes up from San Francisco then. Four spots. That's presuming Amari Cooper leaves, yeah. Washington. Okay. Washington. 20. Okay. All right.

Just off the top of the dome. Devontae Smith at 18. I don't know why you hate him, Jason. How do we have Smith ranked higher than you? I don't know. I've got to go look a little deeper because I am all in on Devontae Smith this year. I love him. I think he's going to have an awesome.

Honestly, here's how you guys are higher. Here's how you guys are higher. Just our numbers. Are there higher numbers? You guys are brilliant, smart people. You're brilliant, smart people, and you have him where he's going to finish. You've got him at 15, Andy, and I need to adjust him up. No, higher stat numbers, Al.

Higher stats. Yes. That's what I meant. I mean, Devontae Smith, I don't know if you saw that little hype moment this morning of Jalen Hurts completing 88 consecutive practice passes without an interception, which was exciting. It's exciting to hear that with a new offensive mind coming in there. But the storyline with Devontae Smith, finished at wide receiver 20 last year,

missed a game, wide receiver 10 the year before. Mike has talked so much this offseason about Jalen Waddell and the fact that Jalen Waddell, he took a little step back last year after being the wide receiver seven and got, you know, Mike expects him to come back to form. Very similar to me with Devontae Smith. These two were darlings in last year's draft season. And I think part of the narrative was like,

they got to deliver now on this new promotion, and neither of them were able to do that. But this was the wide receiver 10 in 2022. So, Jason, even though you hate him, why do you love him? I love him because the Eagles offense was so hard to watch last year. It really was. We saw it from the beginning of the year, even when they were having success. We commented on it. This isn't revisionist history where we're saying, oh, things weren't good last

year. Their offense was bland and boring, and it worked in the beginning of the year because they have immense talent. Because A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith are just awesome. And Jalen Hurts is a super capable quarterback that with his dual threat ability, you just, you have, it's tough as a defense. However, you know, they didn't put men in motion. It was like around 10% of the time man in motion. It was the lowest in the NFL. And Kellen Moore, I know we've had debates. Is he great?

Is he not great? Whatever. He's been successful offensively for a couple of years in a row. Keenan Allen last year was phenomenal with Kellen Moore. CeeDee Lamb was good with Kellen Moore two years ago. And so Kellen Moore coming over, he might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I know he's not a bad offensive coordinator. I know he can get the job done, and I know he's got a great amount of talent.

So I'm in on the Eagles offense this this season I I really do expect it to be closer to what it was two years ago than last year and Devontae Smith coming into his own as a great wide receiver who can be used in the slot a little bit more put in motion a little bit more let me talk about that for a second because when you put a player in motion you give them an advantage yes and so when you see players that are extremely talented prolific wide receivers and you put them in motion arizona we do this with with larry sometimes um you know cd lamb we've seen do that recently what i mean tyreek is tyreek is always moving which they have did you guys see that they're at least trying? A focus for the refs will be what they're calling a cheating motion

or something like that. Upfield? Where you have, I mean, if you're watching the game, it definitely happens of Tyreek will be running laterally and he'll turn upfield just before the snap. And you're like, how are we not calling this a penalty? It certainly is. So we'll see if that affects anything.

You should be able to keep your torso straight and your bottom half can move. That'd be really fun to watch. So you're facing? As long as your torso's facing horizontal, you can turn your legs. That's what I'm saying. Can we make it just the helmet you know

what i mean because that's oh that's even better a little bit easier but so you could be running forward but you gotta be looking back um but yes it sets people up for an advantage and this is something that i expect both aj brown and um devante smith to be moved around more you you have uh the eagles corner Devontae Maddox, said he noticed the Eagles wide receivers lining up at different spots more often, said he's seen more Devontae Smith in the slot than he's used to seeing. Devontae Smith in college at Alabama was an unbelievable player in the slot, 5.5 yards per route run during his Heisman year from the slot.

All right, Smith at 18, 17, DK Metcalf coming in. He's one of those players where, Jason, your ranking is extremely high compared to Mike and I, but his ADP to me is basically his floor. Mike and I have him ranked at his ADP right now. But when you look at a, you know, you talk about kind of an inverse Drake London situation in your draft, which is Drake London, you're forced into him being a wide receiver one. You're having to make a bet that has to pay off.

Whereas Metcalf, I feel like if you draft him in ADP, you might be drafting a wide receiver one. Where it says ADP wide receiver what? 22. Okay. So, I mean, he is a – He's never finished that low since his rookie year. Yes.

Which wide receiver seven, wide receiver 12, wide receiver 18, wide receiver 16. 16 last year. Like last year was – like I think the group memory of Seattle, it was bad. They did not come through for fantasy football. And yet he was the wide receiver 16 in 16 games played. Did have a little fear with the Geno Smith injury news. He is back at practice.

But it would mean something if he was not there. Metcalf is one of the value picks of the year. Yes, he's a value. And he is there, you know, from a physicality. You know, you look at the red zone report in the UDK. He was one of the leaders in red zone targets, not necessarily completing them all into touchdowns, but those numbers come back to form.

Yeah, and, you know, you look at Marvin Eloquin, one of our great writers, he did this study on what season each position kind of peaks. Historically, year five and six compared to others have the highest ceiling for fantasy points at wide receiver. This is DK going into year six. This is a player in his prime. Also, the Ryan Grubb offense coming from the University of Washington, that was the one that featured Roma Dunzey so well, and the comps aren't just like me saying it. Ryan Grubb has literally talked about the similarities between having one of those Dunzey-like players in DK Metcalf, so I think we can be confident that he's the center number one piece

of the offense and we know the talent so to me you know wide receiver 10 that's pretty high that's going to be touchdowns right if he if he gets the touchdowns he can finish there if he doesn't he won't but he gets so much red zone work and he's got the body for it and he's done it before and he's being drafted as a wide receiver 22. He's a layup to me at ADP right now. The big challenge was last year you only had 6% great games as we defined them in the consistency charts, and out of his eight touchdowns, three came in that Dallas game.

So then you're talking about breaking up 15 weeks with five touchdowns. So, yes, it is going to come down to touchdowns and some more consistency if you're happy with that pick. But he's capable and set up to do it, and your confidence in Grubb leans that direction. At number 16, Cooper Cup is sitting at 16. His ADP right now is the wide receiver 23. I am worried about the ADP.

Just jettisoning. Jettisoning? Jettisoning. Jettisonal? Jettisonally rising. Yes, jettisonally rising. There it is. Yes, thank you. Because we do this, and we definitely do this with players that have been,

you know, multi-time top receivers in the game. And at his current wide receiver 23, I'm all over it. I want Cooper Cup on every team. The Puka panic is interesting because he's hurt. He's week to week right now with a knee injury. And there's been reports out of camp that the offense is running through Cooper Cup already. And so he's on a mission.

He's back to full health. You can be all those things and be 31 and still get hurt, right? Sure. However, if you go back and you look at the history of pukunakua he has struggled with injuries as well yeah and so those injury struggles going back to high school and college like are they're hanging out there as maybe cooper cup can be the guy this entire. The defense looks like it has weakened for the Rams, more throwing the football.

McVay knows how to get the ball to Cooper Cup. We've seen this. The recipe is out there. They've cooked the dish, and it's delicious when it's made right. We've spent some time lately talking about, is this just a situation? We're all excited for Puka. That's okay.

Be excited for Koopa. Or Koopa. Koopa. For Puka. For Koopa Troopa. Yeah, don't be excited for Koopa. That's a bad tortoise. But we were like, well, at the end of the year,

are we going to look back and go oh yeah Cooper Cup is very good at football and he has a very strong connection with Matthew Stafford and these guys are still here and are we just are we letting the new the excitement for one player diminish our excitement for another guy which we should we should be excited for both of them. And Puka's been up here at the 1-2 turn, and Cooper Kopp has been like a late three or a fourth round guy, and it's imbalanced. It shouldn't be there. I don't believe that a healthy Puka Nakua is a better player

than a healthy Cooper Kopp today. Okay. I don't know if I believe that or not. I really don't. It's tough because, obviously, Cooper Cup's – his pinnacle is an all-timer. You know, he's a triple crown winner. He's done things that very few other wide receivers have ever done um but man alive puka is so physical

so i mean as a rookie coming on and doing what he did i i think they're about even when you look at the decision mike of staring down the drake london cooper cup and who you want to slot in as a wide receiver one for how you're constructing your roster oh my goodness that's a good question because those those guys I mean you're gonna have to Drake you're gonna have to Drake you're gonna have to draft London we're doing real well yeah morning recordings are going good I'm staring at the back wall um talk about King Cooper yeah I mean obviously these two players could be much closer in adp by the time draft day hits is all i'm saying they definitely will be they 100 and we're

not helping the case today i'm really hoping puka slides though that's like sure yeah that could happen because i i like puka but what's your what's your where do i want to take him no where's your things to remember going into the... I know. Don't buy the injury dip. Don't buy the injury dip. It never works. When they're hurt going into the beginning of the season,

like we've been here with Cooper. Ironically, Cooper Cup was that guy. Yeah. Right? And then he ended up, what, missing five weeks? Yeah. To start the year? And then Puka took over.

Last year he got put on the IR. Could you imagine? Like, play this out. Puka should over. Last year he got put on the IR. Could you imagine? Like, play this out. Puka should be fine. That's what it's told. It's a week-to-week thing. It's not serious. He should be fine.

That's the assumption. Let's just say week one. Just week one, Puka misses. If Puka misses week one, Cooper Cup is going to be the best draft pick out. Detroit. I mean, Cooper Cup's going to have a billion fantasy points week one. His value will never be higher. Well, he plays Arizona week two, so it could be.

It might be even higher on week two, man. Yeah. All right, Jalen Waddell at 15, Mike. You're moving him up right now, Jay. I want to keep him where he is. Let him be there on draft day. Waddell at 15, Mike. You're moving him up right now, Jay. I want to keep him where he is. Let him be there on draft day. Waddle at 15? Yes.

Mike, you're the highest of the three of us right now. Our consensus rank is 15. You talked him up on the Ice and Fire episode. If you want to hear a huge Waddle breakdown, you can go listen to the Ice and fire show that was a fun one you should listen to it because it is good yeah the really we i'm not the episode not mike's take well thank you yeah so i'm not going to do the entire breakdown uh here but it's the the condensed version is essentially these two players talking about tyreekreek and Jalen Waddell, they have already had success together,

where Jalen Waddell was the wide receiver seven in 2022. So this is not a both guys can't eat in this offense. Yes, they can. Tua led the league last year in passing yards. He's going to contend to lead the league again in passing yards. And, yeah, Tyreek has a lot to do with it, but so does Jalen Waddell, who is absolutely – you just talked about we're looking for players who can beat zone.

Jalen Waddell dominates at that part of that aspect of offense. And last year it was just really bad injury luck, not only just missing games, but getting hurt mid-game fighting through it and I think that he can easily bounce back and the ADP this year is nowhere close to the risk that you invested last year the price is what yeah last year I did draft him as a top 10 wide receiver there's still an aspect to Waddle's game I'm the lowest of the three of us that reminds me of you know Pickens last year where if you get that big play, you're like this is one of the best players in the game

and you're going to win me a week. But if you don't get it, that's the concern. Which I get that. It is just to me the player, Jalen Waddle, what we've seen now over – Three years. Three years. But he can be whatever the offense needs him to be that year one it was you know like he was absolutely peppered with targets he was just he was a PPR

machine and then and then well now we're big plays and so it's just I think that he is so well rounded that going into year four I think we're ceiling. I'm a little lower on him than you are, Mike. I know you're bullish, and it is really the consistency aspect. I mean, I've had him on my roster. I've had a lot of shares of Waddle, and you just don't get the really good games as often as you want. You get great games, winning weeks, but I just wish he was more consistent consistent and I'm worried that it's his

play style that it will that he will be consistently inconsistent going forward even if he finishes well all right my argument for that is sure like I can't argue against that because that's what's happened but no you said you had an argument but the the counterpoint is guys in that range can't give you the week winning weeks that Jalen Waddle can't yeah yes not it won't be every single week I'll pad in some I'll find consistency later I'm taking Jalen Waddle as my wide receiver too yeah but what about Waddle the cup uh between the two of them I would take Jalen Waddle all right we'll take a break come back with another player Mike has fallen in love with all summer long. All right, I don't know if there's a guy that Mike needs to buy a jersey of more than.

Number 14 on our consensus wide receiver rankings list. Oh, Jalen Waddell's on the wall, though. I like that. Nico Collins, last year's wide receiver rankings list. Oh, Jay Lovato's on the wall, though. I like that. Nico Collins, last year's wide receiver nine, got paid like a number one, three-year, $72 million extension. Fantasy managers out there pricing him, you know, where they think this future with C.J. Stroud is headed. He's a wide receiver 14 in ADP.

I'm a little lower than that. Jason's a little lower than that. Jason's a little lower than that. Mike's a little bit higher. 35 receptions of 15-plus yards. That's tied for the fifth most in the league. C.J. Stroud was so good at extending plays and finding Nico Collins. I like the boom, Mike. He was also the only wide receiver in the NFL to catch every 15-plus yard

catchable target, according to Warren Sharp. So I give you those numbers to kind of illustrate this is a really good player, not necessarily just a really lucky season. Right. For me, Nico Collins is, if C.J. Stroud is who we think he is and what fantasy players think he is, drafting him as a top five guy, Nico is the number one. Nico was the number one for this team.

Then they paid him like he's the number one for this team. I don't care about Stephon Diggs coming into town. Stephon Diggs will help the offense. Maybe we have more scoring opportunities here for Nico. But the fact that they immediately started treating him with their actions of, this is our guy. This is absolutely our number one guy. And CJ Stroud's play style is, at least last year, was not, don't panic. Don't check it down. Stay poised and wait for Nico Collins. And don't run.

And yeah, and that's not part of Stroud's game. It's wait for Nico Collins. If I can wait a half a second more, or just a fraction, I believe that my guy is going to be open downfield and that happened over and over and over again. He missed two games. Yeah, with the calf issue.

So that kind of, you know, he finished inside the top ten and he missed two games. Yes, he did. There's also, you did. There were glimpses of the offense of what it could be when a third wide receiver was good. And so I think that's why they brought in Stephon Diggs. Noah Brown's not a very great wide receiver. He's a journeyman. Yeah, he's a journeyman.

And when he had his big games, I mean, you remember, six for 153 in a touchdown, seven for 172. I think this offense can work with three wide receivers succeeding if there are three good wide receivers. But I've been rising on Nico more and more. I was the slowest to come to terms with Nico being a very good wide receiver. I just didn't believe it. I was really disappointed.

I was about to say that Kyle has not found clips of me talking in previous off seasons of my belief about Nico Collins in that offense back when it was Davis Mills. There were no weapons to get him the football, but he had that look, and it was neat to see him take a huge step forward. And maybe we don't let the multiple options in the offense get in the way of drafting the best player. I'm trying to force my bell curve a little bit ahead because I do think three, four years from now,

we're going to look back and be like, yeah, he had a third-year breakout. It was a little later than what we're used to, but then he was just a star from then on out. And he's paid like a star now. And this is not an anti-Tank Dell take or podcast. Yeah, I think that Tank Dell is – Do we like A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith? Yep.

Do we like Chase and Higgins? Do we like Waddle and Tyreek? And so it's like Tank Dell probably represents an even greater value of where his ADP is and where I think that Tank Dell is going to finish. But it's – the contract extension is – it speaks so loud to me of this was a team looking at all these – looking at the wide receiver landscape and like what's going on with CeeDee Lamb and Jamar Chase. It's these guys who have now put up multiple huge seasons,

and they're saying, no, I'm not playing until you open the bank for me, and they got out ahead of that. It's a fair move for Nico, $52 million guaranteed. He secures a generational wealth. But, like, he could have waited. Well, it's like DJ Moore in Chicago. It's the same thing. If Nico has another great year, if he has a year anywhere close to what he put up last year, this year,

that salary is jettisoning into the stratosphere. So they got out in front of it, and I commend them for it. This just in, the Texans have traded for wide receiver Brandon Ayuk to add to the three-pack. That's fine. No, that's false news, fake news maybe. Maybe it'll happen. Probably won't happen.

Mike Evans at 13. Mike Evans last year was incredible. A revelation, a league winner, an unbelievable value, and one of your my guys. Mike Evans at 13. Mike Evans last year was incredible. A revelation, a league winner, an unbelievable value, and one of your my guys. It was very, very special to see him play. I mean, 17 weeks, wide receiver five, crushed as a 30-year-old, got paid. We do have a change in offensive coordinator, but again, this is the point I made last offseason with Mike Evans I will not make it forever but maybe I will

nobody has seen more change nobody has quarterback head coach offensive coordinator all of it than Mike Evans and this is a player that from 2014, wide receiver 12, 24, 2, 18, 8, 12, 10, 8, 16, 5. Some say he's the first ballot Hall of Famer. Some would. And he's wide receiver 15. So you're not paying. Like, think about the season Waddle had two years ago, and then he goes up and he's ADP 9.

Then you look at the season that Mike Evans had, two spots higher last year than where Waddle had finished years ago and then he goes up and he's adp nine then you look at the season that mike evans had two spots higher last year than where waddle had finished when he got moved up to nine and the the age keeps him at wide receiver 15 i think it's a very fair price it's basically where we all have them ranked and i don't think there's you need to go into it more than that no i think it's a fair price the The only concern is touchdowns. And it's not that Mike Evans has not been a touchdown machine. If you look at the last four seasons, 13 this previous season, six in his down season the year before, 14 the year before that, 13 the year before that.

But those were Brady. And then it was a matter of do you believe Baker can get him to double-digit touchdowns? You did, Andy. You made that case. I didn't, and he did. He got 13. Now, can Baker do it again?

Yeah. The question is, it's still Baker, of whether Baker can provide Mike Evans with double-digit touchdowns because I think he's going to need to be around there. Just give me eight. Eight will make me content in ADP. Anything higher than eight, we're going to beat it. That's about my line. And he's at eight.

He had six in 2022, and that knocked him to – think about that. Wide receiver 16 16 missed two games and only scored six touchdowns and ended at 16 and his ADP is 15. Yeah, but I remember that season. No, that one was pain. That one was pure pain and most of his points

came in that beautiful week 17. But again, look, the case for Evans is so much stronger than the case for DK Metcalf right now. I mean, it's just so much stronger. I don Metcalf right now. I mean, it's just so much stronger. I don't think that's true. I mean, that blows my mind. Why are you just a Mike Evans hater all the time?

No, no, no. I'm not a Mike Evans hater. I'm just saying. Ten years of dominance. A 26-year-old versus a 30-year-old. Are you saying that Baker is significantly better than Geno? Is that what you're saying? I'm saying, well, one, Mike Evans is better than DK

and Metcalf. Two, Mike Evans has proven it over time with lots of different quarterbacks. I would take Metcalf behind Evans every day of the week. Chris Olave. Chris Olave is quite

interesting. He's at 12 in our consensus. He's at 8 on my ranks. I was staring this down with Jason in the morning yesterday going, Jason, I've got Alave at 8, and I don't know what to do with these feelings. Mike's got him at 19. Yeah, because he hurt me, guys. Jason at 11.

It's emotional. Hopefully it's not, but Chris Alave, I don't like my ranking here., but Chris Olave – He should – I don't like my ranking here. He should dominate this season. He should. He should have dominated last year. Yeah, and he kind of did. Kind of.

He kind of did. It was – the lows were really low with Olave, but he's the number one read in this offense. Mike Thomas is gone. Olave is going to hold up everything they do in the passing game Derek Carter take it for what you will it ain't it ain't coffee with Cooper Cup but Derek Carr has spent extensive time this offseason extra routes extra reps after practice with Chris Olave to get on the same page and Olave is just too talented, I think. There was a very funny Chris Olave interview

where they're like, did you see anything this training camp so far? I thought it was like, what play? They're like, have you seen any plays that made you just say, yeah, we're going to be a really good team? And he's like, nah. Which is not the answer you want to give. Yeah, that was pretty funny.

So to me, there's a lot of upside you talk about upside in the udk potential explode you know explosive season waiting to happen and even nick underhill who we love came out and said the connection looks really good in the preseason it's just a matter of delivering on the promise and again it's going to come down to touchdowns for a lot of a2 yeah where he just didn't get the big plays into the end zone last year and that really hurt him but he still ended up in the top 20 that's that's a hard part of what happened last year was there was a lot of there was a lot of good games we we never had that one moment where like you go into Monday and everyone is talking about did you see what Chris Olave did yesterday on the football field?

We got his best game, let's see, 123. So wide receiver 12, 9 for 123 against the Rams in terms of yardage. He ranked higher than when he would have scored a touchdown, but we didn't have that 120-2. I mean, that's a very high bar. I'm not saying that that's an easy thing to do. It's a matter of true number ones do that at least a couple times a year. Yeah.

And we haven't gotten there yet I do think we'll get there I believe the best Chris Olave season has not been seen yet right I don't think he's peaked in his career and he is not valued the same as Garrett Wilson and Drake London like you know I think he is seen as kind of the third. If you compare Chris Olave to Garrett Wilson, I think everyone says Garrett Wilson is better. You know, he's drafted higher. He should be better. So, I just want to play a little game.

Oh. I want to play a game. Let's hear it. This game's called Chris Olave or Garrett Wilson. Okay. I was really hoping that was the name of the game. Let's just start with games. Who's played more games?

They came into the same time of the career. This is just trying to give one to Garrett Wilson real quick. Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson has three more games played. Yeah, all right. Who has more targets in their games? Garrett Wilson. Yeah, I'll go Garrett Wilson. It is Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson has three more games played. Yeah, all right. Who has more targets in their games? Garrett Wilson. Yeah, I'll go Garrett Wilson.

It is Garrett Wilson. He's got 315 targets versus Chris Olave is only at 257. He's laying the sticks across the hole, Mike. He's shuffling some. You ready to walk? Go get that meat hanging from the tree branch. All right. Let's just look at the advanced metrics.

I don't think I will. Targets per route run and yards per route run. Those, you know, who gets more targets? I think it's Olave. Targets? Targets, I'm going to go Wilson. Yards, I'll go Olave. Both of them are Chris Olave ahead.

Okay. Who has more top 12 fantasy finishes higher percentage of top 12 i think i've been down this road before i think it lobbies got that it is a lobby yeah who has a higher percentage of top 24 finishes it is a lobby who has more total yards okay it is a lobby that's more total touchdowns pretty interesting a lot of it so it's like yeah he's he's just not given i just i don't think he's given the respect he deserves he's been somehow a disappointment even though he's been really really good when you are when you have basement quarterback in new york and you have mid quarterback in new orleans the grace has not been given to olave with mid as it has been with

like garrett wilson gets a free pass yeah because of the other wilson yeah put derrick carr on the new york jets last year that team makes the playoffs yes certainly oh yeah that's wilson doesn't so i get i like chris olave a lot i i was the one just last offseason of that exact same thing of, I don't think the gap between Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave should be as big as it is. The problem is his ADP is the wide receiver 12. If it was 20, you're talking my guy contention. Sure.

But 12 is like that's not a floor for him. So there's risk. There's a little bit of a Drake London risk. So he's being drafted as a top 12 guy. Can Chris Olave finish top five? Such a good question. No. I don't think so either.

And for the record, I do think Gary Wilson can. 12 to 6. That's the hard part about the ADP. Marvin Harrison is the last name we'll talk about today. Comes in at 11. His ADP is 9, guys. We are officially not homers. Did you realize that?

You're welcome. We are wide receiver 11. Also, I had made some adjustments earlier in the week. He was at 8. He's at 10 for me. Mike at 11. Jason at 15. All three of us slightly below ADP.

As much as I believe in the clear path to not busting that exists for Harrison, which I do believe, it is still a just, it is the highest sticker price on the lot, right? Like you, you are not waiting for rates to come down. No, you want it. You want it bad and you want it now. And it's not a family car. It's exciting. It's flashy. It's a two seater. This is for dad. Only this is a two seater. And, uh, you know you know al he ain't putting on the seat belt no that's premium premium gasoline in there yes so you are paying you're paying the highest price to have the sexiest vehicle and it will be probably pretty fun i really do think it's going to be a great year but there's gonna be some times you're gonna be like man i wish i had a back seat

yeah you know what i mean yeah it could be groceries don't fit in here i should not have left the roof off and it's raining and if kyler murray goes down enjoy desmond ritter supplying marvin harrison with with fantasy value um this question it's like the one you just asked it's the best question about marvin for the adp which is wide receiver nine a mid-second round pick. The highest he can finish in year one is what? He can be a top five guy. I do believe that a Jamar Chase rookie season is possible. Where was Chase as a rookie? What was the finish?

Wide receiver, I believe it was wide receiver six. Wide receiver five. Beep, beep, boop, beep, beep, boop, beep, boop. Okay. In a half point. You're way off, Jay. He put up 81 for over 1,400 yards and 13 touchdowns. Now, the 13 touchdowns is doing some real heavy lifting there.

Puka was four. So, four, five? Is that what you think? Yes. It is absolutely possible. It is a cheek-clenching pick to take a rookie, the highest-drafted rookie of all time for fantasy football. His margin for error is so low.

The emotional cost of Marvin Harrison, if Marv goes out week one and gives you seven for 45 or something like that you you are going to panic in the street let me give a draft strategy thought with marvin harrison there are a lot of wide receivers going in the first round right you guys just did a mock draft and somehow mike ended up with bijan at nine because the big name wide receivers are going and going early, which means that on that turn, for a lot of you, it's do you want to grab your running back or do you want to grab a second wide receiver in Marv?

The price for Malik Nabors is two rounds later, and Malik Nabors is really, really good. He is. And there's not the risk attached. Not that there's huge risk with Harrison as a floor play, but you're waiting for your running back. And then until your draft strategy is going to have to become third round, fourth round running backs,

it's just something a little bit scary where he's going strategically. Now, if you go running back early, then Marv's your number one. So you've got to go Gibbs or Kyron, and then you've got to come back and say, Marv is my number one wide receiver. And I think I'm more okay with that than I am with Waddle or Drake London, but it's still a little bit scary. It is. Obviously, we haven't seen him on the NFL field, but there hasn't been a prospect like him in a long long time he is as perfect a prospect as you can be he has the height the speed the ball skills the pedigree the heritage I mean

he's got it all he's the clear one for his depth chart with no real competition it's been from day one here in Arizona he is the alpha wide receiver for the team and he's got a good quarterback in Kyler who has been able to support fantasy success in the past. Hopkins was his first year here. Now Hopkins was a superstar at the time, of course, but DeAndre Hopkins year one in Arizona was the number five overall fantasy wide receiver.

Yeah, so, I mean, it's tough because I could see a world where you are disappointed, and it is a bust of a pick this year he's not going to be a bust of a of a player but if he goes out and has five touchdowns and you know his line and um you know a lot of sports books is right around a thousand yards if he goes out and gets a thousand yards on the dot and six touchdowns you're gonna be super disappointed with this draft slot um But the truth is, we talk about Chris Olave does not have the potential to be top five. I do think Marvin Harrison does. And so that's why you're making decisions basically between those type of players.

I think the floor is higher for a Chris Olave than it is for a rookie Marvin Harrison. I think the ceiling is higher for Marvin Harrison. So it's just like, what is the way you want to play? Well, that'll do it for today's episode. We're coming back with the top 10 wide receivers on tomorrow's show. Reminder to hit that follow button on all your podcast players. Leave us a review if you've got a couple of extra minutes. It helps the show out as we bring you five episodes a week. And that's it.

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