Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - WR & TE Rookie Preview + Dawg Meter - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/3

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Apr 3, 2025. Three weeks till draft day! Get a preview of the top WR and TE prospects for fantasy football! Andy, Mike, and Jason discuss what they saw on film for incoming rookies! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Get the lowest price on the 2025 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Instant access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK+(00:00) Introduction(05:15) Quick Question - Reaching at the draft(10:00) 2025 Rookie Previews(10:30) Rookie WR Previews(12:25) Tetairoa McMillan(18:25) Travis Hunter(23:10) Luther Burden III(28:05) Emeka Egbuka(30:45) Matthew Golden(34:05) Tre Harris(39:40) Rookie TE Previews(39:50) Tyler Warren(42:20) Colston Loveland(48:00) Harold Fannin Jr.Connect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Welcome in! Thursday April 3rd. I feel like I was just here with you fine gentlemen recording. Yeah. Feels that way. Feels that way.

This show. Welcome in one and all. Wide receiver tight end rookie preview show today, which means the NFL draft is right around the corner. We're excited to see where these prospects land. And I'm always, you know, every year I go into it thinking, which, you know, will all of the Cardinals selections fail, will it just be most of them?

I never know. Every couple drafts they hit on one. Like Andy Isabella. That would not be, that would not qualify. Rondale Moore. Oh man. We like them small and ineffective. Yeah.

I was so excited for the Rondale Moore draft. You were? I was. I was not. You really had that crazy breakout year as a true freshman? I was not excited about the Andy Isabella over the monster that was DK Metcalf, that's for sure.

But yeah, it's draft season, which means rookie drafts. Something I know nothing about because I never have rookie picks, but we're going to be talking through wide receivers, wide receivers and tight ends. If you missed it Tuesday, we talked through quarterbacks and running backs, giving you a general overview of our rankings before the NFL draft and how we see these players panning out in terms of fantasy significance for your teams. And so today it's wide receivers and tight ends, so we'll jump into that shortly.

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that you can write for one of the writer's spots. It's an important part of the position. If we were hiring a talker, we would want a talking sample. But we're hiring writers. Maybe you're out there, and you're hoping to write for us. I just don't have anything yet. Well, I mean, because people see a resume posted, you see a resume post and you're like, I don't meet a lot of qualifications on this, but I'm going to, I'm going to go for it anyways.

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I know that yours is going to be the best. What's going on Chuckles? I am laughing at a Kyle shared a somebody's writing sample that they submitted for a previous application was indeed a Local path to a file on their computer. Which we can't have. We don't colon C drive users. We don't have access. We can't access your computer.

To your computer yet. If you wanna mail your full computer to us and then give us the path, we could find it. If you go that route, don't forget to give us your password. Right. So we can actually boot in. Right, so. Yes, Kyle was making me laugh. So If you go that route don't forget to give us your password. Right. So we can actually boot in. Right so. Yes Kyle was making me laugh. So there you go. Oh man. Footclanhelp.com. Quick question of the day this one comes in from the website Davey writes in Hey Ballers

is it ever worth reaching on a player in your draft? I feel like the possibility of hitting on a reach is much lower than just waiting it out and hoping to hit on players in later rounds what are your thoughts? Yeah I mean there are definite times where it's valuable reach is much lower than just waiting it out and hoping to hit on players in later rounds. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I mean there are definite times where it's valuable to reach, but it's really a matter of how confident are you they won't be around in the next round. Whether this is a rookie draft or a startup draft or just your normal redraft that you play in every year,

there's definitely a point where it's foolish. You don't wanna reach multiple rounds on a guy because that's just not getting good enough value. Yeah, you're not playing the market. If you look at ADP and the success of players drafted in the first versus the second versus the third all the way down through the 14th round, it does a pretty good job.

Generally speaking, it's correct that the players drafted higher outperform the players drafted later. Now, obviously, that's not a linear 100% truth. There are great picks late, but if you're reaching more than where you think you can get them comfortably with your next pick, then you are sacrificing higher end talent. And that is, I think that is 100, everything you said was 100% true. My, my propensity to reach is proportional to the rounds.

Yes. So I'm not going to reach for a, you know, a guy I like that should go in the third in the first round. That's insane. But I might reach for a guy I like in the fifth round that might be projected to go in the seventh because it will make me happy. And that's part of my philosophy is there are some players I'm going to want to leave the draft with that are projected to go later, but maybe my league mates are going to know that I want, and they're going to target them around earlier. So I got to

go around ahead of that and it will make me happy to have them on my team. But I'm not gambling early. I will do that later in drafts. That's my general philosophy. Do you find that in a dynasty versus a redraft league, that you want to reach more or overpay more for the guys you just love? Yeah, because value is way more subjective in dynasty.

So ADP is not like to me, there's so much more room for error because of the amount of years of error that it will represent if it's wrong. So if you really have a conviction in dynasty, that conviction pays off for five years, or it burns you for five years. And in a rookie draft, look, don't draft day three running backs. You're like, oh, the spot, it's unbelievable.

What's the best spot possible? Don't draft it like a day three running back over a day two wide receiver. Like, just don't do that because your odds of hitting on that are so, so low. And let's say you don't, I don't like that player that I'm slotted for, or this tier of players I don't. Then trade back, do something with your value,

other than saying, I am the smartest person in the entire world, and I know the one player that's gonna hit over all these other guys who the NFL is telling us are good players. So be careful in your rookie drafts when you're reaching. Once you're in the middle of the second or in your third round of a rookie draft, that's when it's I'm smarter than you and I know what guys to go get. Yeah, grab the guy you want because they're all going to suck.

Yeah, and just to bring it to the UDK and how we rank players, we put them in tiers. And so if you get to the point later on in your draft where you have not a lot of confidence in a certain tier at a position or something like that, that might be a justification to reach a little bit somewhere else. If you're like, well, you know what, I have no confidence that anybody that's projected in this round is gonna be great. Maybe I'm gonna just reach around for a guy that- Take the tight end there then or something.

Yeah, I know. I said reach around. You laughing back there, Cackles? Uh, no. Jason's eyes said it all. Did you really, Jason? Oh yeah, I mean, come on, you said it. I heard it. Come on, you children.

Mike and I are out here trying to be professionals. I don't even know what the joke is. I'm so locked in. Yeah, Mike and I are it on your children. I'm like Mike and I are out here trying to be professional I don't even know what the joke is. Yeah, Mike and I are so locked into this There are at least two hundred thousand people that eyebrows went up same as mine and I mine did I know what I said Goodness gracious. Let's move on Hey rookie, welcome to the NFL. Sometimes you gotta reach two rounds. There you go. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure.

Alright, a reminder like I said on Tuesday, today we're talking wide receivers and tight ends, but the Dynasty podcast, if you want more in-depth analysis on all of these players, the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty podcast is perfect for you. The dynasty pass is part of the UDK at ultimatedraftkit.com. And we have a lot of rookie profile articles on the website. So a good chance to shout out those writers that are part of our team, that are producing some amazing work

in terms of film evaluation, combine production, or sorry, a player production analysis and a lot of really good work. So you can check their workout at thefantasyfootballers.com. Wide receivers. We've got lots of teams that need them, but is this a draft class to supply a difference maker? New England, Arizona, the Chargers,

lots of different teams in need, the Giants, Denver, New Orleans. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this and you've seen it on the open market for free agency. This is not a universally beloved wide receiver class. Will there be some really fantasy relevant hits? Of course, there have to be. The NFL needs them and these guys are going

to have draft capital and there will be talent. But as far as the depth and brevity of the entire wide receiver class, it doesn't stack up to other years, both in terms of depth and the elite. The elite talent at the top, the last couple years we've had the prospects of Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Neighbors, and Brian Thomas you know all three of those guys I think are better prospects than anyone in this draft class personally and I think that's universally believed. So some of those teams I mentioned you know New England they bring in digs Arizona draft Harrison last year still have a need. Chargers, McConkie still have a need. Giants, neighbors still have a need. And in Denver, one piece of news we

didn't talk about on Tuesday was no extension yet for Cortland-Sutton. So, you know, they have some needs there. New Orleans outside of a lave, you know, Brandon Cooks is not the future. So yeah, there's a lot of opportunity, right? And if these players are better than advertised, the opportunities might be there to produce for fantasy. And rookies can make those contributions. Jumping right in, Teteroa, McMillan, TMAC, wide receiver out of Arizona. We all have number one on our board. Not necessarily

going to be the number one wide receiver off the board, which you look at last year when you had- Things are shifting right now. ... neighbors in Harrison, and you had these very prolific, kind of Jamar Chase level prospects. We're not sitting there this year. No. I mean, last year it was like, how early are these wide receivers gonna go? How many are gonna go in the top 10, the top 15? This year, I've seen mock drafts where

Teteroa is the first wide receiver drafted and it's in the 20s. So it kind of gives you an idea. I think Teteroa is the number one prospect in this year's class, in part because Travis Hunter, another great wide receiver, we're not sure if he's a wide receiver yet. So we'll get to him. But as far as Teteroa, he is a real alpha projecting wide receiver. And he's one of the only like alpha alphas out there where...

Six-five. Yeah, exactly. Big bodied, very good athlete goes up and mosses guys. To me, he's like a Drake London Drake London light. That was my comp. I think Drake London was a better prospect than Macmillan is, but he's got exceptional hands. I think you made a really good point a second ago that I want to circle back to. Oh, yeah. Which because it's so rare. If Travis Hunter was not a cornerback and he was coming out as a wide receiver, he'd be the number one prospect for me.

I think he would be the number one guy. Wouldn't the rest of these guys kind of fall into place to make you feel different and better about the draft class? Yeah, you're saying if- If Hunter was coming out and he's number one and he's a star wide receiver. He's a star wide receiver. And then McMillan is your number two guy off the board who's still very talented and some of these

I just feel like we feel better about the class and it's the same humans same humans, but I just feel like hunters lack of Our knowledge in terms of how often they'll use them as a whiteout. Do they use them full-time? I think that makes a lot of the difference here. I will say this the Scouting should or Sanders for last episodes, you know quarterback previews I mean it was just like a Travis Hunter highlight. Oh, it really is really is I am more and more literally stealing McMillan's Yeah, we're fine with Travis Hunter because Travis Hunter is the best water shaving class. I I You know back when we recorded the wide receivers early with Travis Hunter. Good, because Travis Hunter is the best wide receiver in the class.

Back when we recorded the wide receivers early for the Dynasty podcast, at that time it really seemed like Travis Hunter was going to be drafted as a cornerback. Be used as a wide receiver from time to time, but it's much, much, much easier to bring in packages for a wide receiver where it's like, okay, we're going to use you in these situations or these parts of the field and we've got these plays designed for you versus doing that on defense. To be a full-time cornerback and a part-time wide receiver makes a lot more functional sense than the reverse, but it seems like the momentum is building for him to play often at wide receiver.

And the more that I watch the film, I can't imagine having this player on my roster, this wide receiver that is on my team. Yeah, he's a difference maker at the NFL level. Yeah, and being like, yeah, I'm not going to play you at wide receivers. It'd be one thing if he didn't want to play wide receiver. If he wanted to focus on one spot only. He doesn't. No and I think he can play full time both ways. I think he can do it. And he just stole McMillan's entire time there but look McMillan will go highly. Landing spot is that gonna make a humongous difference on how you view him for fantasy? I mean some players you don't care about coming into the league. It doesn't matter where he lands for for a team Mac I think he'll be able to you know he's an outside guy he's a 50-50 ball like last year you know.

1400 yards 1300 yards. So last year 25% of his targets were contested. He caught 53% of them. Which those numbers are fine. Those are acceptable numbers. Quarterback play was not great in Arizona either. Sure. The thing for McMillan to me, and I don't even this wasn't like breaking headline news,

didn't get real hot on Twitter, but it was going around. And this matters to me, man, is there was an interview happening with TMac that I don't recall what show it was on, but they were asking him about watching film. And he said, oh, I don't know how to do that, so I don't do it. And it was like, oh, oh no, dude.

What do you think his agent thought when he saw that video? He went immediately to damage control, because, yeah. Hey, T-Mac, you don't have to say those things out loud. When you're in college. Kyler kept that under wraps for years. When you're in college, and you're bigger and stronger than everybody, sure, that can work.

When you're in the NFL, and everyone is as big and as strong and as fast as you, you have to have an edge. You have to be a student of the game. This isn't apples to apples at all. But it's like Johnny Manziel, it eventually came out that he watched zero film. Zero film, and that dude was a catastrophic flame out in the NFL. Again, not apples to apples cuz this is a wide receiver, but you gotta know, man. You gotta know what's the DB who's gonna be covering you?

What are his tendencies? How does he play? How can I beat that? You cannot just be, I'm bigger than you so I'm going to figure it out. It is a, it's not something you can't overcome. He could learn at a watch film. But to hear it at this point when you're saying this is the projected number one or number two wide receiver in the NFL draft, that is troublesome. Do we want to jump ahead to Travis Hunter then?

We should probably talk about him part and parcel with McMillan because of the opportunity and he's now the betting favorite to go number three to the Giants. Wild. So, you know, you talk about getting an athlete, getting a two-position star with the opportunity for him to make a big impact on both sides of the ball. Five-star guy, broke every record. This is a Heisman Trophy winner. It's hard to run out of things to say positively about Hunter's performance on both sides of the ball. It's just a matter of whether or not he gets the opportunity in the NFL. And Jason, you're saying that teams need to do that.

Teams do need to do this. Look, I get that people get tired and these are humans and it's difficult, right? But you have the chance with the top five pick in the NFL draft pick to do it twice. You have the chance as a general manager to say with the third overall pick I am drafting a star wide receiver and I would like another pick. I'm going to draft a star cornerback This guy played, you know 115 snaps per game and he didn't play the second half against Kansas Kansas State or Arizona So if you take those out you average a hundred and thirty two snaps per game and half of those out you average 132 snaps per game and half of those were in the Colorado altitude. This guy can do it and he is a special difference making football player. So yeah, if I'm a general manager, look, if you play him both ways, you might not get a decade out of him.

That might stink, but I'm going to take five years of sensational two-way play and... It's the most safe draft pick you can make. Yeah. Because, ooh, one of them doesn't work out, you still got the draft pick on the other side. So, yeah, if he, what does a fantasy player do bringing this into our decision-making? Right. What does a fantasy player do? Let's say decision making? What does a fantasy player do?

Let's say he goes three to the Giants. But we will have to wait. And then McMillan goes 20 picks later. Like how do you decide that for fantasy? As far as talent, I think we can all universally say Travis Hunter is a very talented wide receiver. No worries about his ability to be good in the NFL. It's just opportunity.

And that we cannot project or know. We have to wait until the team that drafts him says what they're gonna do with him. And they might not. They might say, we're gonna figure it out. We don't know. Or we've got a plan, you'll see. But they might come out and say,

we want him to play both ways full time. We're gonna try that out. I mean, Travis Hunter and neighbors? Oh, it'd be awesome. It's a great duo to have as your foundation while you're trying to figure out your quarterback position long term. Love the fact about Travis Hunter that two years ago he was a majority of his snaps were he was a slot player and then he went almost to a full-time exclusive outside player that's beautiful. He knows all aspects of being a wide receiver can

win on the outside, win on the inside. And he is, I've, for fantasy thinking about rookie drafts, trying to come to terms with just how does this work. Let's say he's a full-time DB and he's a part-time wide receiver. Okay well if you're going down that path, then in theory he should be on the field for all the important stuff for a wide receiver. Let's say he's not out there on first down blocking for the first and obvious run. Don't care. He's going to be a 50% targets per route run player. Right. That's great. If he's not going to be on the field for that stuff wearing him out, that doesn't matter because he wasn't he wasn't gonna have an opportunity

Anyways, we I want my player out there more often than not. I mean a la Jaden Reed who's out there You know half the time it's because you do the imagine what if what would read be if he actually was a full a full snap player So we may run into those with Travis Hunter, but I'm getting more comfortable with the idea of, even if they say he's a DB, that- They'll find a way. They'll find a way, he'll be on the field for important stuff, and which would make him, I'm willing to take on the risk of drafting him

higher in my rookie drafts than I was. At the beginning of this whole process, it was like, dude, you might be lighting your pick on fire. What if he comes out and he just plays DB? For fantasy. Yeah, for fantasy, that pick is absolutely toast. But I don't think that's going to happen. I think he'll be the full-time DB part-time wide receiver.

But he's so good and will be used in such valuable situations that it might still be fine, because he's so good and will be used in such valuable situations that it that it might still be fine because he's so good. McMillan and Hunter we talked about both of those guys at wide receiver we'll take a break and talk about some more. All right, let's shift to Luther Burden III. Man, it's tough. Out of Mizzou, Jason has him the lowest of the three of us. Mike and I both, again, the Travis Hunter situation is going to impact.

He's going to come above Burden if we get some confidence around his playing time. I might move him there now actually. But Burden, what did you like on film, Mike? Luther Burden, smaller guy, 5'11", 205 though. I mean, shorter, I mean, he's not McMillan, is what I'm saying. He's not a go up and get the ball guy.

He's more of a give me the ball and watch me go guy. Yeah, and there's some faith being put into his 2023 season where he was 86 for over 1,200 yards and nine touchdowns because the production halved into his next year. I mean, as his final year in college 61 catches 676 yards that that is That it's troubling to have such a breakout campaign and go backwards so far and I know there's a there's a bunch of other factors that can lead to a downturn in production, but

To go that far down is like, dude, something catastrophic better have happened that we're not privy to the knowledge. But when he's at his best, he's one of those Swiss Army Knife type players of who can do so many different things. You're going to want him to land in a spot with a smart offensive coordinator. If he lands with an OC who is really a cromagony old school football guy, then Luther Burden will go down my rankings.

If he goes to someone who knows how to use a player who is so shifty and can make such incredible things happen, a high level of talent, then I'll still be in on him. Creativity, he's a five star recruit. 54 of his 147 catches over the last two years were screened. That's what I mean. And he was a prolific special teams player. It's because when the ball's in his hands,

he's probably the most special wide receiver in this entire class, better than Hunter or TMAC. Once the ball's in his hands, he is electric, he breaks tackles. Number one. He runs backwards way too much, he is electric, he breaks tackles. Number one. He runs backwards way too much. That is not gonna work in the NFL. He's got a lot of like, Debo Samuel, not that size,

but just breaks tackles, can't, you know, he is really sensational in that area, which is why he had so many screen passes. Also, because his quarterback, whoo-hoo, sucks. Sure. I mean, wow bad. But, you know, so it's like, just get the ball in the hands of my playmaker.

And he's very, very good at that. As a wide receiver, I have worries, like the down the field routes. Now, I didn't scout 2023. Statistically, he was far better wide receiver then. I scouted the 2024 season. That's kind of my process. I always look at what the most recent thing is. Maybe I'll go and watch a game earlier. And I made a note. I want to go and watch more of 2023, but the 2024 film left me wanting as a wide receiver, left me excited as an athlete, as a talented

playmaker. 4-4-1, 91st percentile speed. I mean, you saw it. You saw it on film. He is a better athlete than most of the guys there. I just work, you know, he'll probably be a first round pick. Maybe he's in that bubble, but there's a lot of history of like first round running backs pretty much don't bust. They just don't they're almost always great unless some injury happens or something but you look back at

first round wide receivers and you see the Kevin Whites and Nelson Aguilars and Corey Coleman's and Josh Doxans and Johnny Ross's. I mean there's just like it is frequent and common because wide receivers are so needed Wondale that guys are drafted. Oh, yeah, first wasn't one day. No, I think he was a second you're thinking about a Who am I thinking of before him? Oh my god. He got traded to the Chiefs Darius Tony Tony was the first rounder. Yeah, the keel Harry. I mean, there's no On and on and I just saw some, I wanted to see some more wide receiver skills,

and I didn't see it in 2024. Which is one of those things where you're gonna have to trust either that the player can do that at the next level, because they're gonna need to to produce. Yeah. Amika Egbuka. Yeah. The safest pick in this draft. That's the sa, there draft. I will be shocked if this dude busts on an NFL level. Yeah. Problem is for fantasy football, will he be a guy who could ever be 1,500 yards

and 10 touchdowns? I don't really project that either. He just projects to be an incredibly good solid wide receiver. I moved him up to my number three just because he good. Yeah that's where he was for me depending on Hunter. All-time record at Ohio State for receptions. Battled through injuries in 2023. Over 1,000 yards last year, 10 touchdowns. But not a Jamar Chase type of season or player, but solid is probably a good descriptor. Yeah, and you have this. Like is it the Cardinals two, Michael Wilson.

He's way better than Michael. Yeah, I think he's a better player than Michael Wilson. And you have the Ohio State pedigree of, look, if a wide receiver goes in the NFL from Ohio State or from LSU, I'm going to be interesting. Do you think he's a second round pick? I think he's a first round pick. He's seeing some steam to be a first round. A second rounder at the lowest for him.

Yeah, because it's not a great draft class and there's a lot of needy teams at wide receiver, I think he'll go by the second round. He was a five-star recruit. He was the number one wide receiver in his recruiting class ahead of Brian Thomas Jr. and Xavier Worthy and Malik Neighbors. So this is not a guy out of nowhere. He was brought into Ohio State to be an excellent wide receiver broke a lot of records He'll he'll go high in the NFL and as far as like quality. He's a he's a very good athlete very good hands very good

Route runner. He's just solid at everything He's not the explosive loves Brian Thomas jr. Malik neighbors type of athlete that makes you really excited for fantasy football But goodness gracious as a as a number two for the NFL team. That's what he feels like to me. Yeah, I mean, me too. That's what he is. But he's going to be really valuable number two for a team who should be 85 receptions and 1,000 yards on a regular basis, which matters for fantasy.

And when I'm looking at making these picks, that's why I've got them ahead of Luther Burden. Burden's ceiling is higher, but I feel like Burden could easily not work in the NFL. I just don't see how Iguca doesn't succeed as just being a possession slot receiver that is helpful for an NFL team. Matthew Golden, Jason. Oh my goodness. Out of Texas. He unfortunately took down the Sun Devils

in that amazing matchup, but. He's flying up draft boards. Yeah, first round is definitely in the cards for Matthew Golden. 4-2-9, Is that what he ran? Yeah, he was the fastest guy there. See, I didn't look at him in college and say he's only a speedster. That's not the way that I looked at his skillset. I thought he was a more complete receiver than that. Jason, you have him lower than we do. Was there just nothing that jumped off that made you feel as excited about him

as you did about maybe Iguuca? I think he was able to disappear a lot, and that's kind of what I just didn't like. And you saw that in his production profiles. Production profile's not sensational. It's not that great. No, it's not. And when I watch these games,

he would have these amazing games where it's like, wow, he dominates that ASU game. You watch that game, and if that's the only game you scout, you say, this is maybe the best wide receiver in the draft class. And he did it. That game in the combine jumped his status drastically. But if you scout other games, you go,

oh, he's not really a very important part of the offense, didn't move the needle for this game. They didn't, you know, so I have a hard time seeing him as a dominant NFL force, but I do like the skills, the individual traits he has. I didn't watch film and say like he's not a good route runner, he's got bad hands, or he's not a good athlete. He had all those things. He just had the ability to completely disappear and I don't like that from a college prospect. Do you, it's off the top of the head, but do you remember your, Jason, your kind of your feelings on Worthy out of Texas, who same thing, goes and runs and he's the fastest

man alive and the production profile is not there. Oh, I like this production profile is not there. Oh I like this but this profile. Xavier Worthy? Yeah I'm saying compared to superstars. Right. It's like the speed is doing a lot of lifting for him. Did you did you feel like? I was way higher on Xavier Worthy. Okay. Yeah I liked it and this is before the Chiefs drafted him. I liked Xavier Worthy I thought he was a better route runner. I saw the speed on tape I thought he was a better route runner. I saw the speed on tape a little bit more

than I saw for Matthew Golden, unlike Kyle, who can't see speed. They have very similar yards per outrun, Worthy and Golden. So Matthew Golden in mock drafts, it's just mock drafts. But I mean, he essentially from the last summer was like a sixth, fifth round pick and to skyrocket all the way into the first without having overwhelming,

like he's not over 1,000 receiving yards. And I know he's real fast, but this is, it's troubling to me because the NFL draft capital mixing that with what we know of that's the easiest way to find a player is going to be good for your rookie draft, but the production is just not where it needs to be. We've been seeing mock drafts where he's the number one wide receiver taker. I'm scared.

I'm skittish on Matthew Golden. Trey Harris. I love Trey Harris. You're the highest. Ole Miss was the senior, 6'3", 2'10", physical. Is that what jumped out the base? Yeah, yeah. The fact that he's 6'3", 2'10", can play like an alpha.

There's not many of them in this draft class. He breaks tackles. Honestly, I think he had, I like that he had utilization in all parts of the field. They got him in the screen game. They got him across the middle in the intermediate game. He would go down the field. His production seemed really, really good. Had a good breakout age. I don't usually like players playing four seasons, you know, not coming out early, but stuff's different now with, with, with the way that college

football is and the transfer portal and getting that money. Yeah, I don't out early, but... Stuff's different now. Yeah, with the way that college football is and the transfer portal and getting that money. Getting that money, yeah. I don't blame him, but there was a lot that I really liked. He has an NFL body, and so if he can, you know, it'll have to be seen if he can prove that he can separate against, you know, in the NFL, but I think he can, and I don't know, I saw some dog in him.

What did you guys think about Traharris? You liked him more than Golden. I saw some dog in him. Did you, what did you guys think about Trey Harris? You liked him more than Golden. I did, I liked him more than Golden, and I even have him personally above Luther Burden. Again, I think Luther Burden's athleticism has him, his ceiling is, you know, he could be the best wide receiver in this class.

I just had more concerns with him. I feel like Trey Harris checked more boxes for me. I was with you. I like the tape of Trey Harris for a guy who's not buzzing the same as the other wide receivers. Where is he projected right now? That's a good question. I have no idea.

I definitely, when I finished doing all of my wide receiver scouting, and then I looked at like where Industry consensus is I saw I was like, oh I apparently I like Trey Harris more than everybody So I don't know if he's second early third is what I'm seeing in my house Okay on NFL mock draft database. They're big boards He's the wide receiver seven and he's part of that Ole Miss offense that some people are worried about with Yeah, Jackson darts production. Mm-hmm. So that would that's one of that Ole Miss offense that some people are worried about with even Jackson Dart's production. So that's one thing that's maybe holding him back a little bit.

Little known fact, he was Malik Neibor's quarterback in high school. What? Yeah. What? I think there was a story like, neighbors told him he had to be his quarterback or something. Kyle, can you remind me what that was? That's correct. That was what it was, and Malik Neibor was like, you have to be his quarterback or something Kyle. Can you can you remind me what that was? That was that was what it was Malik neighbors like you have to be my quarterback. It's funny his production in That Ole Miss over the final year was very similar

To the total production of Matthew Golden. I mean they were both a right around a thousand yards Sure, but look at games played nine touchdowns Yeah, Trey Harris did that in nine games. And Matthew Gold did it in 16. I guess I was looking at the game agnostic yards per catch numbers more so. But yeah, that's super impressive. I mean, maybe you're talking about a first round pick if he had more time on the field.

Yeah, possible. Other remaining wide receivers in the UDK Plus rankings that you want to flag, is it? Bash. Yeah. Yeah, if you've been listening to the Dynasty podcast, you will have followed the journey with us of falling more and more in love with Jack Bash from TCU.

He is terrifying, because he's one of these guys where it's kind of like an Xavier Lee get of it took a long time. You finally got a big bada boom of a season, but when you only get that one big bada boom compared to the rest of your career, it's very, very scary. But watching him on the film he's he's smooth and he gets open I think we're all pretty much fans of him I think we're like I think so best buds yeah at least on the Dinopod we are no no no wish wish got it all right do you guys like Restrepo at all watching Kam Ward highlights and I

film and I thought he was make a lot of plays in Miami. I thought he was he was an okay-ish wide receiver. He has his own drama going on of he ran at his pro day and it was a catastrophe. You don't let a man run. Yeah, yes exactly. It's a number that the people around you have to protect you from yourself from running. And it felt weird. Because that's not who I thought I was seeing on the field. And then a tweet goes up. 483.

And that's a pro day. So that even is. So it's like 489. Yeah, it could be even slower than that, because they're using a hand timer instead of a laser. But again, I didn't think he was that slow. Laser. And then a tweet goes up from him saying,

this is what happened, I was running at this. I tripped. Well, no, he said, I was running at this. I got hurt before the run, and I decided I was going to run anyways. And you're like, OK, I figured an injury excuse was coming up. And then that better got deleted Oh, which just led to the intrigue of what is going on here. Yeah, I liked Rastrepo's

Film and his dog in him like he's he's a fiery guy Hey, we knew I need I need a full dog meter on my, when I'm doing my rankings. It matters to me. There are some guys who do not have the dog in them. And we're gonna talk about one of them in a minute. Okay, we'll take a break. We'll talk tight ends. The rookie preview continues.

We'll move into the tight end position where we may see a couple of first rounders this year. So we'll start with Tyler Warren out of Penn of impact he can make at the next level, is there a comp that you have in mind? Is there an expectation that you have in mind in terms of what you'll see as a rookie? This was 104 reception superstar last year. Absolutely ridiculous. 1200 yards, eight touchdowns, making plays all over the field. The offense was regularly configured to get him the football in any way necessary.

You had 50% of his targets result in a first down or a touchdown that is absolute nonsense. You should throw him the ball every play. 104 receptions says that. They focused on it. He was the 2024 John Mackey Award winner, which that list is, for the majority, is awesome. Bowers twice, McBride, Pitts, Hawkinson, Andrews. It's not perfect. Harrison Bryant ended up being a miss.

Oh, you always used to love Harrison Bryant. Yeah, which the Mackey Award certainly influenced how much I like him, but Tyler Warren, this is no concerns. Yeah, no concerns. No concerns for the dog of Tyler Warren. When I'm watching him, his college film, it was like, I'm like, okay, I could see Trey McBride here. I can see a guy who... Loved it. Like is not, I'm not finesse. I can finesse, if you're if you're if if you think you're gonna hit me Think again cuz I'm going to hit you and I'm going to do I want to punish people For trying to tackle me and that's the type of stuff that I love and he's firmly at the tight end one spot for me

I love when human beings that are six five two hundred and fifty six pounds don't Seem like it like you watch", 256 pounds, don't seem like it. Like you watch film and you just don't, you know, it's not like, he just, he moves. Moves better, yeah. Like a guy that's six foot, 210. And that, the body control, the hands. That's kinda George Kittle.

I mean, Kittle's 6'4", 250. Exactly, so. Doesn't look like it. I really, really, really like Tyler Warren. I think he's firmly everyone's number one both in it's a little There's there's there's a pocket of the Colson Loveland people right the people who don't pay attention to the dog meter. Yes, right Your great controversy is you have decided to put a young man 20 year old young man Colson Loveland on the doghouse This guy. Well not in the dog house.

I'll tell you he's not there. This guy wishes he was in the dog house. This has become, I feel like this has come from, like it was a subtle side, it was like a little bit of a side note in your analysis of Colson Loveland, who should be a first round pick, and it's become the predominant focal point here. Before we move to him, I do Tyler Warren. There aren't a lot of concerns. He does everything well. He runs routes well. His hands are great. His size is great. His athleticism lives in the dog house. I don't, you know, it was weird

that it was a fourth year breakout. You know, he hadn't done much until all of a sudden he was the centerpiece of the offense a sudden he was the centerpiece of the offense, but he was the centerpiece. He's done enough. He's going to have the draft capital. I'm guessing he will be slightly overdrafted because of what Brock Bowers just did on the heels of, you know, there's two years in a row where the number one tight end as a rookie finishes as the number one tight end in fantasy. That's so wild. I love it. And so I think Tyler Warren will be a little bit overdrafted for that reason. He is not

the same caliber as a Brock Bowers, but he is an absolutely very prolific tight end. Colston Loveland. Colston, I mean, he'll be a first round draft pick it seems, and potentially could be drafted ahead of Tyler Warren. Targeted on 38% of his routes, that's the highest targeted per route run number of any tight end prospect over the last decade. Michigan tight end does not have the 104 reception, 1200 yard output of Tyler Warren, but as Mike said there are pockets of people that don't just like Loveland,

they love Loveland. Yeah, I mean, I know Matthew Betts is very bullish on Colson Loveland, and I like him too. I think that there are, personally, in my rankings, there are three guys who are kind of tier one type of prospects. Colson Loveland is still there. He's basically a wide receiver, so there's different types of tight ends out there. There's the...

But he's big. This isn't like Evan Ingram where he's a tight end, but he's almost like a tweener in physical stature. But it is like Evan Ingram in how he plays. And he's not gonna get in there and block. He's not gonna mow people over. He's really being used as a six foot 6, 248 pound wide receiver. Which for fantasy, that gets us hot and bothered.

That's great. We don't need him in block. And we want him to go Jimmy Graham and get down the field and catch the ball. He's 20 years old. So there's a lot to like. But he didn't break tackles, which is crazy to me. When I'm watching a 250 pound

Young man, and that's your dog analysis that was pretty much my dog analysis Is he just gonna ask you how you find out whether somebody's got the dog in there? Well, there's a couple ways like deuces alley. How would you know? Who's got the dog? There's one back there. Yeah, there's one Yeah, we all know who it is. He knows who he is. Yeah, we all know who it is. He knows who he is. He's got a trophy. They're all nodding, though.

Yeah, he's got a trophy. He's got a trophy for sure. Oh, no. Yeah, I want you to stand up after the play and get in someone's face. Here's the thing. I mean, this is just a rough one. Does Mike have the dog in him?

I don't know. Do I have the dog in me? No. Oh, I don't? No, you don't have the dog. Because here's what't know. Do I have the dog in me? No. Oh, I don't? No, because here's what I was going to give you, Andy. I tried to fight a lot of people on the football field. And you won't feel bad about this. That's not the dog.

But it's a quick judge of character. It's not everything. I'm offended based on your consensus. Listen to me. Imagine you are something has happened, and a fight is starting between you and another guy. It's unavoidable. Right.

And the dog-o-meter is your friend to your right. Okay. And how confident are you going into that fight of like, that's the dog-o-meter? That's part of it. Huh. And I know if a fight starts that I don't have to fight anybody.

Right, Jeremy will take care of it. Jeremy will be like, Mike, you got to hold me back. And he'll just jump in there. And he'll handle the business. OK, no, that's fine. Poston Loveland, I don't know if he'll do that. When you get in that fight, how soon do you headbutt? That's part of the dog leader.

What about? How soon do you start throwing your head around? Like I'm gonna attack you with the hardest part of my body. Can you be? What if you can't be in the same room as a small tiny spider? There's nothing to do with the dog All right, so Loveland you felt the tackle breaking was connected to the dog me and by the way, it's he forced three Mistackles now see I don't I don't know if I should take Jason's dislike as a prescription

For a rookie breakout season. Oh, maybe maybe you know. Yeah, I mean I haven't been bullish on the rookie prospects of Immediate success, but obviously that I mean that that has changed in recent years And we've talked about this if you're just jumping back into the show because we're talking rookies That's one of those things we've talked about over the last couple months. That's changed I think tight ends now are coming in being utilized more quickly in the rookie season It's just the modern NFL. Well, I like the wide receiver part of the Loveland experience, if they can put him on a team

where he can contribute right away. Harold Fanon Jr. out of Bowling Green. This is the fun one, man. Funny one, because if you watched Har- No. You banked it in. Bank shot. I'm gonna say bank shot. That's not a bank. Banks closed.

He didn't call the bank, but he made it. It was an accidental score. But the best bros over there. It's just if you like the player, man. Well, Harold Fanon Jr. If you watch him and you leave, you know, he's from Bowling Green, so he doesn't have the same level of competition for most of his games. What about the 100? If you stop watching the film and you go I

don't like that guy I don't blame you. I stopped watching the film and I was like I don't understand kind of like Kam Scataboo I don't understand it. 117 receptions for 1,500 yards. You don't look super athletic. You run awkwardly. You didn't test well. Super athletically. But ain't nobody bringing you down. He's, I mean, so prolific.

Got the dog in him? Oh, yeah. He's got the dog in him. He is a football player. I'm about done with that. So he was a zero star recruit, came in as a linebacker safety, and then someone was like, hey, this guy's got the dog.

Get him the ball in his hands. And he was great, man. He was 1,555 yards, 117 receptions, touchdowns, broke tackles every play. I believe he's going to work in the NFL. Where's he projected right now? Two or three? Four or five? Six or seven?

I think he's a Second or third round. The fact that he's from Bowling Green is going to hurt him because you say, okay, these guys aren't tackling him but he doesn't have the same level of competition. However, there were games where he played against Penn State and great athletes and he dominated in that game. What state is Bowling Green in, Jason? Oh.

Ha ha ha! Just what state is is bowling green? Oh? I couldn't I you could give me 25 guesses, and I'll probably get it wrong. I'm gonna go, Idaho Wait is anything in Idaho yeah, there are things Not this column over there. No you're gonna need to go. I'm gonna go east head east. I'm gonna go Ohio. Yeah. Oh, all right, number two. Number two. I'm the smartest man alive.

Yeah, I was wrong. Idaho sounds like Ohio. Right, they're basically the same. Pretty similar. You ever had Ohio potatoes? No. Mike, any thoughts on Fanon? Yeah, it's called a 49% dominator rating which means

49% of the of the team's passing yards and passing touchdowns went to Harold Vanna, Jr. Wait There's a Bowling Green in Kentucky, too Which one's the college in which college is in Ohio? He is... I don't know what the NFL is going to think of him because of the competition. Any other tight ends you want to talk about? No, to me, they're... We're just going to end up making fun of guys. I think... So Elijah O'Royale, Terrence Ferguson, Mason Taylor, those guys will all be highly

drafted. They are worth knowing their names Yeah, t-firk But I super athletic I do think Tyler Warren you got a big hat Colson Loveland and Harold Fennan jr. Have the chance each one of them have the chance to break into a Weekly relevant starters in the NFL for fantasy case then then quick the bowling green, Indiana How many bowling green let me ask you this is there a bowling green in Idaho? Because that would be great. I mean you would be right then that's my point so While we we like the production profile. There's a lot of states with a bowling green man. Sorry go ahead

Why why bowling green is that is? Yeah, what is going on? Is that a person's name? Man, we sound totally different. No, no, someone get into this. So Harold Fanon, small school, outrageous production profile. But meanwhile, Mason Taylor out of LSU, he's projected to go very high in the NFL draft. So Jay, I mean, he's not included in your three for fantasy,

but do you have, do you like Mason Teelanon? A bowling green is a finely laid, close, moan, and rolled stretch of turf for playing the game of bowls. Okay. Which I think is bocce. Is that bocce? It's a bowling green. That's why they're named You play, wait, you roll a ball on a green. What's the one you play in the sand? I don't know, Mike. They're like the just a little yard game. In the sand? What's the sand got to do with anything?

What are you talking? What are you even? What are you even? I think you're thinking of bocce ball Cause a lot of times they are on like The game of bowls is lawn bowling Okay, that's why I was bringing it up cause See who's saying it's played on the grass so I got confused What are you even Talking about? Bocce ball's not played on the sand

You drunks There are a lot of bocce ball Whatever those You don't roll balls on sand You drunks. There are a lot of bocce ball, whatever those. You don't roll balls on sand. When you play a bocce ball, you throw the little ball out. You throw the little ball out, and then you roll another ball to it. That's lawn bowling, isn't it?

That's what a bowling green is for. Right, but that's not bocce. No, but bocce ball. Looking slight. Oh, man. Bocce is on the sand, right? Bocce is not Look and slap. Oh, man. That's just great. No, bocce's on the sand, right? Bocce is not on the sand. Oh, man.

Fight, fight, fight. I thought it was on the sand. Well, we know nothing. Yeah. It might be on gravel. I can live with gravel, because you can roll a ball on gravel. You don't go to the beach and play bocce ball.

It is more like gravel. OK, fine, gravel. All right, we can compromise Mike what was the player you were wondering about? You ever been to gravel you? Mason Taylor from LSU. So that's the son of Hall of Fame Jason Taylor from the Dolphins and when I watched Mason Taylor, I

thought he was a very good, well-rounded NFL tight end. I don't see him as a fantasy, you know, he'll be someone that maybe you stream in the right matchup. Like a Higbee? Like Tyler Conklin, or sure, Higbee. Like, you know, he was in the right spot at the right time,

did the right things, but didn't seem exceptional. Okay. Either, any of you been to any of the 37 Bowling Green universities before? I have not. Only the one in Idaho. You gotta go. You gotta go.

All right, we are done talking. Man, so many pictures of beach bocce ball. Yep. No, no. Now are those AI or no No, if you search bocce ball and you go to images you see more grass than you do sand It's just a very versatile sport is what I'm finding out Or sand is much harder than I am To be I am done. We're done. The show is over.

You certainly see a lot of pictures of sand as well. Some sand. You were wrong. It's played in the sand as well. Shut up! Goodbye everybody. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on JoinTheFoot.com and follow us on Twitter at The FF Ballers.