Fear& - Andrew Callaghan Opens Up About His New Documentary ‘This Place Rules’ | Fear&Channel5

Episode Date: January 2, 2023

Friend of the show and returning guest Andrew Callaghan pulled up to go more indepth about some of the key moments in his new documentary in his first interview since the film dropped last weekend.��BONUS CONTENT🍾 🌟PATREON - https://www.patreon.com/FearAnd🎧 AUDIO PLATFORMS - https://linktr.ee/fearand♥ follow our guest! ♥https://www.patreon.com/channel5✰ follow the boys! ✰Hasan: https://twitter.com/HasanthehunWill: https://twitter.com/TheWillNeffMarche: https://twitter.com/MarcheFear&: https://twitter.com/FearAndPod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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friend group person that's been on both that's i'm glad to bring some diversity man yeah so i'm like a real veteran to the fear and malding yeah you have like you we're we're gonna issue you a challenge coin i mean i i guess that's like that's what the choppo boys say so i don't want to yank it from them too hard so you had a podcast come out last night at 11. Not a podcast. Or fucking. You had an. I just woke up. I dropped my new podcast.

I dropped my podcast. Okay. So Andrew Callahan of Channel 5 is here in the building, ladies and gentlemen. One of the most prestigious guests of all time. Good friend of mine. Known him for many years. Yep. Brilliant.

I'm a shoe collector. Brilliant interviewer. Just, you know, Hunter S. Thompson keeping his legacy alive. You know what it is. We have a lot to talk about because Andrew just dropped his A24 Absolutely Productions HBO documentary last night. Yeah. And I watched it this morning and, oh boy liked it i loved it it was of course i

liked it what do you mean i i liked your i liked it when you were you know dicking around and and going to like uh you know book reveals and stuff like book releases and stuff so like this was a uh i wouldn't say higher budget i guess production it was. It was literally the same, but it was great. It was just a longer video. Well, I'm glad you liked it. You guys are the first people I'm speaking to IRL after the movie dropped, so it's kind of cool. Oh, that's crazy.

I've just been at my house pretty much alone since it came out. You have nerves about it? Not really, but I'm definitely eager to see the reviews, what the top critics have to say about it, because I've never had them. Okay, well, that's why you're here. I mean, you're A24. You're good, bro.

A24 gets a lot, like, I mean, they release a lot of weird shit and critics are always like, mm, that A24 is very delicious. Very artistic. Yeah.

So, what happened to the documentary because Will thought it was releasing tomorrow so he hasn't seen it. What happened? I was close. People said it released at midnight, so he hasn't seen it. I was close.

People said it released at midnight, which is technically today. Yeah, on the East Coast around midnight. Yeah. West Coast, we got it. So I'm not that off. No, you're good, man. It's fine. So what the documentary is about is Andrew's experiences with the crew

running around leading up to January 6th. The insurrection. Yeah. I would call it more of a riot. Freedom. Yeah. Freedom rally. Yeah.

Yeah, the freedom riot. People rioting. Freedom riot is pretty good. Yeah. They saved our country. Yeah. No, I mean, literally, that's, you know, that's why Donald Trump is still president. Everything's good.

And, you know, he's controlling Joe Brandon, which would technically make it so that it's Donald Trump's fault that we have such high inflation, but we'll work that out. He can't control everything from the shadows. You know what's crazy is on January 5th, Stuart Rhodes, who's the leader of the Oath Keepers, currently being charged, he called me and was like,

Andrew, man, you got to come to the Capitol. Why? He's like, it's going to go the fuck down tomorrow. I just hope they start shooting so we can shoot back i love that um that's like material evidence i think yeah i didn't record the call you just you just released material evidence but he's already charged so he's already charged but i remember being like what the fuck's gonna happen tomorrow yeah they don't really bring the straps to the capital and stewart famously is not very good at handling guns i mean he shot himself in the eye that's why he has an eye patch that's why oh you didn't know

this you gotta be careful about eye patch talk man oh i know oh god oh brother another another big boy with ipad stewart rhodes used to i believe be a uh like a gun safety trainer and he shot himself yeah in the eye jesus christ if i'm not he's a he's a nevada man i believe he's got to make sure the barrel's clear dude he lives in north northern nevada so think about that that's actually a really good question that i uh that brings up a really good question i want to ask you what do you think is the most andrew callahan channel 5 state in america i feel like i've asked you this already but it's gotta be florida i think florida for like the early august no breaks content we're into like juggalos and crazy parties and spring break shit but i think now dude it's becoming like arizona and california

yeah you know especially arizona i have my eyes on arizona for the upcoming election cycle dude for sure i i have a theory i think the warmer it gets due to climate change which is a chinese conspiracy and a hoax yeah um the warmer it gets in a climate change, which is a Chinese conspiracy and a hoax. Yeah. The warmer it gets in Arizona, the more people's brains are melting out. Yeah. Dude, the whole frontier is like lizard people brain rot.

Yeah. Isn't there like a direct crime statistic with average temperature? I think there is Billy rave brains. Can you look that up? I think there is a direct crime statistic. Looking up so much. He still hasn't figured out the Stuart Rose thing. He's like,

but what was it? Was I wrong? Or was I right? Yeah. He shot himself. That's so sad, dude. Yeah.

It's so funny. It's so funny. He's just like, I mean, a gun safety instructor shooting himself and I'm becoming like a gun totem libertarian. I love that. It's like, that's America.

I love that. Yeah. For me, the Oath Keepers were the one element that was missing from the documentary yeah you know so if i were to write about it like not in video form i would talk is that right my like i was pretty i was i was communicating pretty extensively with stewart and different oath keepers folks and those guys were almost more involved in the proud boys i feel like but they all fell off the map after the proud boys i feel like but they all fell off the map after the six like i called uh stewart roads on january 7th no answer like that was it well obviously uh you and i had uh this conversation a little bit with ethan when you came on our other

podcast and um that's actually something that i think is is is like giving me a little bit of hope i guess is that the reality that like once these things happen like charlottesville i think was delivered a blow to the ultra far right openly fascist like nazi movement in this country because you saw nazis in the streets and you were like oh that sucks like i don't like that no that's not for me yeah that's what even racist americans are like nah that's too much i don't like it that's weird your gross sales have never recovered yeah never ever yeah they kind of took over the polo too like the polo t's like the fuck it's crazy how one incident like that can decimate an industry like after the kobe crash the helicopter tourism is down like 500 percent but he wants to get a fucking helicopter i mean that's good though i i think

that that's a good thing i me and uh our our mutual friend brace from true and on have that same principle is like never get in a helicopter that's what brace said oh brace is uh number one helicopter he makes great decisions so he's yes yes he does famously but i know what you're talking about like after the capital you're saying like it would never happen again you know what i mean that's one of the things that i explored in like the latter half of the film is like you know a lot of people thought that january 6th was going to be like the first in a series of similar actions like there'd be a bunch of different riots and it would happen in every state capital and in january 20th it would happen again and even more powerful but i think they flew so close to the sun they just burned themselves and that was it well as bruce

also points out which by, by the way, you asked him to be on the documentary, but you didn't ask me to be on the documentary. It's fine. I guess we're picking favorites. You also beat me in the streamies this year, so maybe that's why. Oh, yeah, that's true. I did.

I mean, that's so irrelevant that I didn't even think about that at all. But anyway. He said as he polished his streamie. Yeah, no, that's,'s like left my mind already um you're gonna win it next year anyway it doesn't matter but as brace also correctly pointed out in the documentary without revealing too much because it's fucking awesome and i highly recommend you guys watch it but if you're here you probably already have um nothing happened because they had no purpose like they just there is no like organized militant fascist movement outside of like the autumn waffen guys which usually operate within police and

military yeah like that that want to hit certain um you know key parts of our like logistics or key parts of our infrastructure and like have a ideological goal behind it it was just like entitled people which you stressed and pointed out perfectly by the way by showing the dichotomy between like you know black people protesting police brutality versus like q anon freaks with disposable income yeah um it's a great comparison yeah no you just like right down the fucking street you have this family and this is actually a YouTube video. We can show parts of it. HBO allowed us to show this.

The QAnon family video. We'll show it really quickly. You can also show the scene from the projects in Atlanta if you want. Yeah. It's on HBO's channel. So, yeah. Show that real quick because I want Will to watch this. I want Will to see this.

So. Oh, I think i have watched this but let's run it anyway yeah yeah let's run it real quick i remember the bay blades i felt so bad for this kid yeah he's a prod put back in school. They're actually pretty bright and intelligent. Yeah, no, both of them. The little girl, too. All right, skip to the part where he just shows a QAnon drop, basically, which is, I believe, coming up.

Like, if you see it, Anderson Cooper. Right around there. Yeah, I think that's it. Yeah, you can pause it right there. 147. Like I said, what you have to do is you have to search on the normal media for someone who knows how to get into the dark stream media and another...

Oh, maybe this is not it. It's coming up right now. Telling all the truth. At this point, I had never actually gone on a cue board. So, for the first time, I had Jaden's dad, Brandon, who's the director's chair. Real director.

The main cue board. With your goofy ass fit, too. Dad Brandon Real director With your goofy ass fit do Cryptic code there's actually a cue clock that you have to decipher all this stuff from this. This is a actual cue drop Yeah, and you can see all the satanic artwork in the background, which is just just troubling I mean you have a man here getting burned alive while there's some sort of satanic ritual going around. Do you think that's also cryptic? Yeah, absolutely.

Pause now. Sacrifice. Sacrifice. It's so perfect because, I mean, these guys are like hobbyists, right? They're hobbyists, right? Yeah. They're hobbyists. Like they are, not only is the cause that they're fighting for, not necessarily just

because they do want like a Christian nationalist fascist administration to like kill all the communists and people that they've declared pedophiles. I think that guy in particular represents like a fraction of people who just the emotional pull of the Q mythology just sucked him in. I talked to him a little bit off camera, and I was like, how did you get into this? And it was when he heard about Disney being controlled by Satan-worshipping pedophiles who drink Bane's blood.

Yeah, which is as one does. And them being a suburban white Georgia family, Disney's kind of the foundation of their household. So him hearing that fucking Pixar and Mickey Mouse was being controlled by the Disney was hard for me to hear. I think one of my favorite things about everything you've always made, and we talked about this briefly

the last time we sat down with you, is you have an incredible amount of empathy for everyone you speak to. And I think it shows like the fact that you can find humanity in a family that saying and doing some pretty abhorrent things is for sure really noble and i think yeah it gives you a different level uh to your to your content um thanks what would you say to people that are so kind of mad at groups of

people like this like how do you find that empathy in a situation like this i'm trying to increase empathy toward groups of people like that and so i don't mean the people who create q people those people are pieces of shit yeah people with the nihilistic you're talking about people caught in them people who fall into informational echo chambers and just get fucking ramped up and before they know it they're spewing shit like that on the street with their kid that's a sad thing those people aren't evil they're not particularly hateful or racist they're just in that bubble i want to say they're not particularly some of them are but i do think i'll take it one step further i do think that that hatefulness yeah also still comes from social conditioning yeah they're they're products of the environment that they grew up in it's like entirely almost

out of our hands and it's a it's a journey for everyone to basically go through so they can you know unlearn that shit and and not be an asshole yeah i think q in particular i mean a lot of those people aren't super hateful because it preys upon people's emotions because it's all about kids so people with kids older folks they can't believe what they're reading about also we grew up on the internet we were exposed to hundreds of snuff films cartel execution videos the most gnarly gore ever a lot of these older people just got on the internet. We were exposed to hundreds of snuff films, cartel execution videos, the most gnarly gore ever. A lot of these older people just got on the internet about 10 years ago. They've never read or seen horrible shit.

True. Even just a picture of a dead baby with Hillary Clinton's face near it. They're just like, oh my God. They're actually traumatized on a micro level by imagery. So a lot of what QAnon propaganda is is traumatizing old people with shocking images on Facebook and shit.

Yeah. And once you, you know, once you believe it, you're like, well, that's it. I mean, they're eating babies. So we got to stop that. That's the worst thing. If you truly believe that, that is the worst thing that could possibly happen. Of course, you're going to do everything you can to stop it. But there's also a secondary component there the breadcrumbs

they're bakers right that's what q anon uh supporters call themselves and they're following breadcrumbs right yeah and i think that there is an interactive detective game component associated with it as well that makes it so captivating for a lot of these people who have some level of disposable income in many instances. Yeah. And also a lot of fucking free time. I don't know how, I don't know how,

like one thing I never understand when I'm watching like reality TV or when I'm watching stuff like this, I'm always like, how the fuck do these dudes make ends meet? Yeah. I think the same thing. It's like astrology for like Trump moms, you know,

just connecting the dots. But there was this one scene that we had to leave out just to cut time with Brandon, who's the father of the Spencer family, where he was using something called a geometry, geometra calculator or something. And he was going to Trump's Twitter and every word that was capitalized

in all of Trump's tweets, he would take the capital letter of every word that was capitalized in Trump's tweets, put them in a calculator to do some sort of subtractive addition with the letters and numerology, and it would randomize and create sentences like, war begins tomorrow. And he would be like, you see, this is what he meant to say. So covfefe, obviously, his famous typo, to them, that's a heated debate point. It's a big point of contention. What did he mean

that's schizophrenia and i and i mean it like i don't i'm not saying like lol that guy's schizo like that is one of the symptoms of schizophrenia is like yeah these numerical associations it's it's also something that's like super old school like back in the day you know people used to do this with like bible verses and shit and they still do it with bible verses and shit but now they also do it with like you know looking at uh shapes and colors on the chipotle bag something's so funny about people believing that like trump is like a wind talker and he like go has the effort to go through yeah it's all that scramble his tweets everybody's gonna think i'm saying

coffee but what i'm really saying i'm giving coordinates to my bunker it is wild to consider that he cares about anything like even for a brief moment anything outside of himself like that that's insane but going back to what you said will about the empathy question is you know why do i try to have so much empathy for people like this is because this is a serious problem and the first thing we need to figure out is why this is happening how and how this is happening on like a a programming level because i would say at that time i don't know about now but there were like tens of millions of americans who were completely engulfed in the q storm and everything like that for like six months to covid dude oh i mean that's what happens still specifically instead of slam

dunking on these people and trying to make them feel small by catching them in a contradiction we actually have to figure out how the fuck are these people thinking this i think people are still fully embroiled in these things yeah i just think there isn't the the crushing pressure of an election and and covid yeah that that basically like like a like a cyst brought all this to the surface. But what was cool about the end, I'm going to spoil the documentary a little bit. Do it. We catch up with the Q family after January 6th. Actually, after December, January 20th, which was the inauguration of Joe Biden.

And at that point, it was like the storm or whatever, the mass arrest event wherein Trump mobilizes the military to arrest the members of the United States. When that didn't happen, Jaden, the youngest kid in the Spencer family, I caught up with him and he was like, yeah, Q was bullshit.

Yeah. It completely devastated my family consume all of my dad's time. And the Beyblade kid. Yeah. Yeah. He was, he, he,

he, he went clear. Cause he was like, there's no fucking storm. But also again, he's a kid. So he has like a robust imagination. He has a lot to look forward to in his life.

If you want to examine his technically, quote unquote, material conditions in comparison to his father's and what kind of life experiences that led his dad to becoming a QAnon guy, even the dad was saying some skeptical things. By the end, yeah. By the end of it. But he still believed it's kind of like what i was what i mean when i went to the q conference i was like what was the point he was like the storm was the friends we made along the way no no they're

literally no that is a huge component storm is like us kicking it right now man dude that's i need to get a shirt that says that the storm was the friend no that's that's a gigantic component of this is the social isolation that people feel that we no longer have that is a product of uh our our living quarters our living space is a product of social media yeah but the way that like even uh civil engineering like even city design the way that it's designed uh in the united states of america has contributed to this problem in dramatic ways do you mean like the dallas fort worth metroplex like endless expanses of bland suburbs yes that is one million percent a gigantic problem because we do not have any like urbanization and when you don't have that when you don't have like small towns basically that like where you have shops and you have like

you're such a city planning slut no but but it's true it's like we were in amsterdam and he saw people biking he was like oh yeah dude oh yeah but that but that changes your outlook and that changes your political philosophy even in dramatic ways like it's a yeah it's it's a byproduct but um yeah to me it all connects to like white flight and like what i call like the uh like cultural drain particularly of white americans that happened you know whenever after in the 60s and 70s after the second great migration and like millions of white americans to flee living alongside black people yeah and busing especially in boston new york philly in massive numbers went out to the bland country and started building these sort of shitty suburban homes yeah and busing especially in boston new york philly in massive numbers went out to the

bland country and started building these sort of shitty suburban homes yeah and they were basically sapped of all the culture that they had inherited from from their forefathers who had came from europe who no doubt had some cultural swag you know what i'm saying but like you can just see like all the european white ethnic groups just became white in like 10 fucking years yeah because of suburbanization. So they're living in this culturalist, bland, bizarre consumer society. We got NASCAR. Which is precisely why the only cultural signifiers that we have now are products that we consume.

People on the left do it. Yeah. Liberals especially do it like with don't watch that movie. That movie's bad. That movie has a bad character in it. Don't watch it. We're going to change that. We're going to make sure that that movie doesn't have a bad character in it. Don't watch it. We're going to change that. We're going to make sure that that movie doesn't have a bad character in it.

And you're like, who gives a fuck? Shut the fuck up. Yeah. And then on the right, you have it with like, you know, uh,

pretty much everything they consume all the way to guns. Like they make that a, a significant part of their identity. Like that's crazy. A gun is just a weapon, right? It's a toy. It's a fun toy to

play with it's a very dangerous toy to play with yeah okay but uh because of marketing and because of like a lack of any sort of like cultural foundation that you can build on top of and because of all the social isolation that you feel all the alienation that you feel from your labor you end up fucking being like the gun guy that's your thing you're the gun guy now you kind of are what you buy yeah subscribe to our patreon channel five five bucks a month exactly true no i feel you though it's pretty nuts yeah like people don't have shit but the the presence of a firearm is like the backbone of their identity yeah i don't i don't ever want to have a gun bro i mean i love guns i love shooting guns i would shoot

myself what this is not even on a basic safety level i'm not anti-gun i'm just saying i would shoot myself i don't know i feel like an eye patch would take your shit to a whole new level it would but by the way what you just described is like also one of the main reasons why like in red states where there's less gun laws men have a dramatically higher suicide rate because they oftentimes use a gun to kill themselves yeah and alcohol rates alcoholism rates too it all connects like being most people who commit suicide are drunk yeah i mean it it does make sense um no no safety nets no adequate mental health care uh and and just rumble parlor and hn yeah that's your only fucking friend you're on i'll say the n word yeah exactly your friends are racist online bullies it sucks man that's the worst

kind of person i can think of it's interesting to consider kind of the toll of isolation yeah just on the human psyche like prolonged isolation in these crappy kind of remote places yeah and and what that does to your willingness to believe nonsense or your willingness to find camaraderie in the worst places it all connects to the culture war that they're like pushing on mainstream media too that's why you know every time there's a lull in the country like you see on fox and shit they force this like you know trans right now the trans fucking shit trans panic is forcing it the trans panic right now is like unbelievable yeah i'm gonna start covering more shit related to uh to that stuff drag uh uh story hour we're actually

talking to them right now yeah to do something so be safe because things are getting increasingly more violent obviously the q nightclub shooting was a was an example of this but also like it's insane that there was one thing that you talked to with tario that that also was you know it was like an aha that's right moment where he was like everyone was smiling you know the antifa were smiling they were having a good time we were having a good time it's like they're bored they want to have a club together. Yeah. Okay. And they're just like nerds.

But instead of playing Dungeons and Dragons, like they're just LARPing as like fascists. Yeah. You know what's funny is off camera, Enrique Tarrio told me that he doesn't think the election was stolen. Oh. Which to me is the funniest fucking thing. I was like, do you think it was stolen? I just want to know.

He's like, nah, probably not. I'm like, I'm your fucking store. But he's a t-shirt salesman. I know. But just the fact that like you don't think the election was stolen i just want to know he's like not probably not i'm like he's a t-shirt salesman i know but just the fact that like you don't think the election was stolen yet you and your like militarized group of homies are storming the capitol to overturn the election results well yeah he wasn't there technically so yeah he was getting a foot massage in maryland you you and i had this conversation and i wonder i mean now that the documentary is out maybe you can reveal this

you don't think he was a ci like Like, you don't think he's... No, I don't think that Enrique was a direct informant during the Capitol riot. No, I don't think he was. More people would have went down. That's interesting. You're right, actually. Not a lot of the Proud Boys, or maybe they're still using them. It's an easy narrative to say, yeah, the leader of the Proud Boys was a fed the whole time,

and it's very satisfying on, like, a base level. But, nah, dude, he informed on, a base level. Yeah. But nah, dude, he informed on like a human trafficking case in Miami like six years prior. I don't know why the news never emphasizes that. I thought it was,

I thought he got caught for diabetic. He got caught in a ring of various crimes. One of the crimes was diabetic test strips that were expired that he was selling on the street.

Which is, by the way, the most Florida thing you could do. When I first read it, I was like, expired diabetic test strips? I was like, what the fuck does that even mean? But he explained it.

He made millions of dollars. Well, that's, again, he's from Florida, right? He's from, yeah, he's from Little Havana area. He's a pretty urbanized Miami guy. So that is the most Florida thing, other than, like, obviously cocaine. Because, I mean, when you think of like governor rick scott the dude that looks like fucking voldemort he is responsible for the largest medicare fraud in this country in the nation in the in the history of this nation and then they elected him as the

governor of florida so like that's extremely florida to do like medicine scams yeah so he had the pill farms were too he had this crimeal, and within the crime cabal, there was a weed grow house and a human trafficking ring from Cuba. He took a plea deal where he snitched on the people involved in the human trafficking and snitched on the weed grow house. So he sent a few people to jail. He himself did about nine months in state prison for the test strip shit. Came out shortly after Charlottesville. That's when Gavin stepped down down appointed enrique as a

diversity guy yeah but i mean he just he strikes me especially in your documentary um he strikes me more as just a t-shirt peddler and less as like an ideologically grounded fascist who genuinely cares about like upholding western chauvinism or whatever the fuck they talk about in the proud boys and also on top of that like that was the first moment where i was like maybe he's not a fucking fed because like no he just genuinely looks like the type he seems like the type of dude who's just like i don't give a fuck about anything i just want to make money you know what he is though in addition to a proud boy what mlg he's a professional halo player dude i saw the fucking funko pops and shit on his RGB desk.

I was like, what the fuck's going on? Is this guy a gamer? Big time. Oh, God. War games, man. It all makes sense, doesn't it? He deserves less. Gamers deserve less.

Once again, dude. Yeah. Man, I've had some funny experiences with Enrique. Yeah. He is a unique dude for sure. Out of all the people that you've met, who's your favorite? It's hard to pick. In the documentary?

In the documentary. Fuck, man. I mean, me and Enrique had some good old times. Not Joker Gang? Oh, Joker Gang is pretty sick. Joker Gang is definitely up there. Can you pull this dude up? I need Will to see this motherfucker, bro.

I swear to God, this dude is insane. He fell off the map for like two and a half years. How would you Google him? Joker game? Wait, is this someone? He was like an all gas, no brakes recurring character. Yes, I remember this guy. Isn't he a Sausage Castle guy too?

Or what was it? No, no, no. He fought Gum Gang at the Sausage Castle in the opening scene. Oh, okay, yeah. And you were the ref there. I was the ref. That was crazy. So fought Gum Gang at the Sausage Castle in the opening scene. Oh, okay, yeah. And you were the ref there. I was the ref. That was crazy. So he shows up in the dock?

The opening scene is a fight between Gum Gang and Joker Gang in Florida. Sausage Castle. Yeah, sure. Wait, is it a... This is behind the scenes, so you can play this shit. This is like... White Trash Rumble. Hell yeah, bro.

Yeah. I mean, this is extremely Florida shit extremely i've never seen this video before it's extremely florida that's me preparing for the first scene of the movie joker didn't know that he was in the movie i guess he fell off the map and he texted me last night he said am i in the documentary like after it came out i was like oh man yes you are sir i mean he probably he probably loves that shit though for sure, but it's just funny that he didn't even realize that he was going to be in it. This guy, Gum Gang,

we actually brought him out in Orlando for our live show. Now, I'm just guessing. Is he called Gum Gang because he has no teeth? Yeah. Okay. That was good. He makes bongs out of fish. He shoots himself in the cock a lot. With what? With like a potato blaster.

Yeah, potato blaster. I mean, terrible movement. He drank a fifth of Crown Royal before this fight though. Wow, look at the mobility he's getting with those jorts. Joker Gang trained for like six months to get ready for this shit. At least he didn't drop his hands for the

longest. Look at what a terrible ref I am. I'm not stopping any of this shit. Oh, no. The audience just wants it to go. I think that was a big point of legal contention with HBO. I'm not certified as a referee in the state of Florida. So they've been like, I don't have this shit.

They're legal for a while. I can't believe that this is a behind-the-scenes look on your documentary from some random person. Yeah, there's a lot of people there. HBO looked at a guy who had Joker makeup on and a guy in jorts and went, if this is a behind the scenes look on your documentary from some random person. HBO looked at a guy who had Joker makeup on and a guy in jorts and went, is this a section fight? Wow! Hey, you did the right thing there.

Nick. Yeah. So what I was saying is the point of the opening scene, like the shocking cold open, is basically to troll people who want a serious political movie and also to engage kids who otherwise wouldn't be interested in politics. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like a double-edged, it's like a two-headed snake. You wanted to just nip the Netflix-y kind of like, this is Washington, D.C. The date, the 5C. The date? The 5th. Who knew? I did an interview on NPR this morning, right?

Yeah. That's crazy. The NPR listeners are going to be like, oh, great, a movie about the January 6th insurrection. I can't wait to see what it is.

They have to watch two Florida influencers fight for like five minutes before, just to get a real palate cleanse. Whereas I know if I made a documentary strictly about January 6th, you know, no one below 18 or around there would give a real palate cleanse. Whereas I know if I made a documentary strictly about January 6th,

you know, and no one below 18 or around there would give a shit about it. Whereas we went like zoomers to actually like this movie. Well, I think it's, I think it's an interesting conundrum because you're talking about something that is like kind of lunacy in and of itself. Right?

So the way that you approach it is almost more fair to the actual vantage point than like this like super stripped down homogenized like anderson cooper yeah what's going on here yeah for sure i just don't want to ever feel like i'm putting someone down yeah um yeah one one thing i who are you worried that you would who would you be worried about feeling that you were putting down? Somebody that's completely brainwashed and vulnerable and talking to me. The world's not going to be a better place if I make them look stupid.

It's so easy. Right. A slam dunk on someone is the easiest thing in the world. Don't you feel that, like, at a certain point, you give them every opportunity just to speak their truth?

Almost. And a lot of that onus is on them like i don't i don't think that you frame any of your interviews in a way where it looks like you're trying to ambush but a lot of people can't handle a mirror especially in some of these like hogged out contexts but so when they get pissed at you for featuring you on their platform being like this guy's trying to make us look dumb alex jones is a perfect example i'm like i'm not trying to make you look dumb i'm literally putting a video of what you're saying into my movie do you feel like sometimes you almost have to go the other way where you dedicate editing and kind of like

favorable takes to make them look better uh yeah definitely wow and they still failed yeah metric try as hard as i can i think the most important thing that and this is something i stress on my broadcast all the time as well is to like differentiate between the stephen crowder's the ben shapiro's the owen schreier's the alex jones's of the world and the actual people that are brainwashed by them some of those people might have like hateful ideologies uh you know beforehand but even then they're still uh victims and and products of their own social conditioning whereas people like steven crowder and bench bureau see the world for what it is have a decent grasp on it and yet choose

to very clearly uh communicate a a fucked up viewpoint of the world to ensure that other people are brainwashed and also have talking points so they can like be armed you know the regular citizens i think right now i'd say matt walsh is the most effective cultural warrior yes see what he said he said on joe rogan millions of kids are going through hormone therapy right now yeah he is he is out of his fucking mind like for you to think there's like that's such a he doesn't think that though i know fucking piece of shit but saying that is so insane and that people will actually believe that there's millions of even joe rogan pushed back on that which is crazy because he's like

oh dude it's so crazy like i was watching one of his videos the other day and he straight up said some shit it was just like liberals want to destroy your family the left wants to destroy your family i'm just like that is just like the most direct but powerful, simple messaging for any viewer. So what's going on with that sort of thing right now is that we're broaching new territory, right? Because the thing about trans people or anti-trans rhetoric is that it's not necessarily new.

It's like the oldest trick in the book family values gay people are pedophiles trans people are pedophiles like that's something that the right and fascists have said for a very long time while also like simultaneously advocating for like uh you know uh child brides and whatnot right defending warren jeff Jeffs or like, which Tucker Carlson had, convicted pedophile. The fucking biggest cabal of pedophiles is for sure the church. Yeah. The Mormon church. No fucking question.

The Catholic church. Every church, every single church is just full of fucking pedophiles. Yeah. And so it's just funny, these like Christian evangelical right-wing people talking about Christian family values. I'm like, they pretty much invented being pedophiles.

Yeah. And they also are like, you know, advocates still and want to defend like child brides in many different ways. It's still happening right now. Yeah. I mean, Matt Walsh has routinely talked about like, you know, get married at 16. It's like, dude, what the fuck? That sounds horrible, dude. Imagine getting married at 16.

Yeah. Matt Walsh of all fucking people. I don't even want to get married until I'm like 35. Yeah. But getting married sounds tight if you're in love yeah well you know not when you're fucking a 70 year old man with a 60 year old girl which is what these these clowns are in a lot of instances so um but the thing i was gonna say is like the the trans stuff is in a gray area for a lot of people because like society is pretty transphobic uh you know because gender norms are pretty rigid in the way that we understand it even though that's like old antiquated uh ways of thinking about like gender expression it's like

very clear-cut like it's a big part of our identity again yeah it's actually one of the few things that we don't consume that we are conditioned into believing that is like a genuinely large part of our identity so when like the existence of trans people uh you know becomes more normalized all of a sudden that's like groundbreaking for so many people they're like what the fuck and it's hard for them to it's a hard pill for them to swallow yeah use a matrix analogy by you know the the goaded wachowski sisters uh who are trans um and that kind of that's the reason why i think it's like kind of effective as long as you don't go too far with the anti-trans rhetoric like joe rogan i would say is the most effective transphobic uh you know commentator out there because of like the dog

whistles on the reach basically because because he doesn't go so far as to say like you know like you should murder trans people which is matt walsh takes it there i saw that one recently yeah he literally just says it he's like i want cops to go in and kill these people like at a trans like uh you know or not even trans like a drag yeah you know story just like a party where trans people are at i think part of joe rogan's efficacy is that he insinuates that there is a problem there you know what i mean he doesn't really like identify what it is or he doesn't really inflate the severity of it but he kind of insinuates that it's against the norm or it's against the natural order i do do think there is a problem with how sexual content

is being marketed to children. Music videos and shit, I think that, I don't know, maybe it's major record labels or something. They're marketing. If you watch a standard music video,

it's just ass and tongues and titties and collars. I think that's always been the case. But I feel like it fucked me up growing up watching that shit before I even understand what I saw. So I do think it's just sad because case. But I feel like it fucked me up growing up watching that shit before I even understand what I saw. So I do think it's just sad because you take a real issue like that. Christina Aguilera, dirty.

Tattoo. Formative. All the things she said. It was formative. Riding through my head. These are. No, that's tattoo. Yeah, tattoo.

There's actually something that was up for debate and concern. I'm just saying I jerked off a lot to those music videos. Dude, but you're probably addicted to porn. You know what I'm saying? No, I don't think so. Dude, like subconsciously. No, you're definitely addicted to porn. I have not jerked off to porn in months.

Listen. He just watched it. Listen. Notice he didn't say he didn't watch it. Here's what I would say. This is dope. Here's what't watch it. Here's what I would say. This is dope. Here's what I would say. Here's what I would say.

And this is a different way of thinking about it. I think part of the problem is not human sexuality, but the onus that we put on human sexuality, right? The problem is not that kids are consuming sex, but that we make them feel like there should be a guilt about it. Well, they're also consuming violence too like think about these major labels like marketing like murder music to fucking eight-year-olds yeah so they're marketing sex and violence to kids just because it's very enticing and pornographic right violence is also pornographic it's not just about sex it's fucking

crazy if you think about like what 21 savage is music like literally is like on the radio and he's like like pull up to his crib shoot his mother in front of kids like that's fucking shit that's being said and like I don't know if that's

a direct lyric but just like I mean that was a bar son and there's like fucking TikTok dances with like nine year olds like that is pretty fucking weird

but it's not the agenda of like deep state trans shit you know what I'm saying but there is actual fucking weird shit like that I think that as far as like the content that children are consuming the content that kids are

consuming i think social media has made it significantly worse for sure like in the past you had limited access and because you had limited access it was harder to acquire but it was also uh like easier to control. When we were growing up, I'm 31 years old, right? When we were growing up, especially in Turkey, like I wanted to jerk off. I was a kid. I was like, I'm horny. You know what I mean?

And it was so fucking hard to find porn, which I guess like restricted that in it and maybe made it a little bit healthier because it was like harder to access i have no fucking idea what it's like now to be like uh me at 13 if i had a phone in my hand at all times and i could just like you know open up porn and just jerk off the porn like that i probably would only masturbate i would not do it i would not have done anything else skip school and beat off yeah like i would have been porn drunk or whatever they call it. Porn sick. I started watching porn when I was seven years old. That's crazy.

Oh, yeah, you're younger than us, too. How old are you? Seven? Yeah, I'm 25. Bro, where were you getting porn at seven? Bro, just like you walk in, you're online. You Google titty. You Google like butt.

Yeah, that's true. You're a little bit younger than us. When I was seven, we yeah, that's true. Like you're, you're a little bit younger than us. Like I, when, when I was seven, we didn't have fucking like smartphones. I didn't even know what I was seeing, bro. But it was like,

I just, I was just watching it. And I was just like, this is sick. And I remember my parents were like, what the fuck are you watching? That's crazy titties. And they're just like,

stop watching that. And I realized that probably affected me in time. You know what I mean? So imagine, imagine, you know, what's really interesting too, is there's like this weird curve

of like 1900 kids were grown up by 12, right? They're going to the fucking factory. Yeah. Yeah. Then there's this period of time where like there was like this incubation where it's like you get to make your way

through high school and maybe part of college while still being innocent. And now we're crashing back down to the internet era where it's like you're grown up by 12 again because you're you're grown up by 12 because of everything you've seen but you're still incredibly babied in the sense that like you're not fucking going to the to the mines you know but also i don't think that that's a good thing i'm not advocating for no no no them back to the... I'm saying that men now are weak. Get them back in the textiles. We need to get back to a tribal level.

The children go to the mines. That's what I'm saying. Men have it easy now, dude. I'm reading between the lines a little bit. Okay, let's fucking go. I'm picking up that you feel like you might have a porn addiction. No, I don't have a porn addiction. But I'm saying I realized that I was hypnotized by imagery when I was young.

What do you think is going on in your psyche? Nothing now. I'm just saying, like, you know, before you even kissed a girl, like, you've already seen, like, you know, hours and hours of the hardcore pornography. It's pretty weird. Damn.

I'm thinking about that. I'm like, I don't think I had seen hours of pornography before I kissed a girl. I fucking wish I did, but, you know, maybe no. I'm not anti-porn. I saw hours and hours of pornography. I'm anti-watching porn. I saw hours and hours of pornography before I had sex. Yeah.

That's the case for everyone. That definitely colored the way I lost my virginity. Exactly. Me too. I went in there like Rod Daly. I went in there like, yeah, pure north. It was making you bad at sex for the first few years of your life. I don't know if that's the case.

I feel like I studied the blade, my friend yeah i definitely treat it like professional because like for me literally same for me i was like these are the moves i need to hit i don't know if i'll ever have sex again yeah it's like in my mind this is my only chance in my mind i was like oh my god this person wants to have sex with me. I don't know when the next time will happen. I need to hit every move. I got to do doggy style. I got to do missionary. And I was like holding on for dear life.

I was like, oh. Yeah, yeah. It was awesome. Yeah, it's chill. Point being, going back to what we were first talking about, it sucks to have people move the goalposts on shit all the time. For example, Epstein, Island, real fucking thing. Yeah.

Baby eating pedophiles in hollywood not real so the problem is we don't know i'm saying people move the pedophiles you take an issue that actually could be talked about normally then you have these cultural warriors who profit off of fucking moving the goalposts turning into some insane bullshit so they can sell panic ads yeah and then there you go the liberal version of that is more organized and more institutionalized i will admit like uh time's up the extension of me too that was basically created by people who very literally worked with like andrew cuomo in like and and engaged in cover-ups of like actual sex criminals

that varied from like sexual harassment all the way to like sexual assault yeah so it was wild to see that and i was like what the fuck these are like these are the people you know what i mean and they are engaging in the things that they're like supposedly calling out whereas on the right wing side they do get a lot of funding okay just like the liberal side gets a lot of funding i'm not talking about any leftist cause or anything any like true progressive causes but on the right wing side then you have the t-shirt salesmen who are like you know making a living off of like extending this to everything um and and now i feel as though this mania has taken hold of like our media cycle so if you go to independent news right if you ever

go to independent news they will serve you anything you want to see that corresponds to your personal biases yeah and and you will get fake news in even less meaningful ways right one thing i want to talk about have you have you kept up with the megan the stallion shooting tori lanes he got convicted right so tori lanes is is going to jail he got convicted of shooting megan the stallion it was was an incredible situation that most normal people, if you look at the story without actually thinking about who the people are or who the victims are or anything, a person shoots another person.

The person survives, says, this person shot me. There is a third person involved as well who also says that person shot the other person i'm using person on purpose because yeah like megan lee stallion being a woman a black woman i think played a really important role in like undermining her fucking eyewitness testimony as someone who got shot yeah and the manosphere picked that up in the and all of these like uh you know rap blogs and like t blogs basically picked that up

and were so overwhelmingly in favor of tory lanes yeah that a open and shut court case right uh consumed by millions of americans especially because mainstream media didn't really pick it up that much yeah was was basically guided uh by these these you know blogosphere manosphere people and and it duped millions of americans into thinking that tori lanes was actually innocent of shooting megan the stallion when tori lanes didn't think that right yeah and now or even beyond that that he might still be guilty and that he shouldn't be found guilty yeah well there was there was that too yeah like even if he's guilty like beyond a reasonable doubt like it's not beyond a reasonable doubt i'm like motherfucker that's crazy yeah yeah i mean even i was shocked when i saw the guilty verdict because i also

consume a lot of rap blog shit yeah and so i thought it was like sort of up in the air and it was like oh no a celebrity shot a shot a female celebrity in the fucking foot that's insane didn't he even say dance bitch yeah what the fuck and that what the fuck? That's, like, some psychotic shit. I just can't believe. That's probably the first, like, celebrity on celebrity shooting I've ever. Has there ever been a celebrity on celebrity shooting? Well, technically, YSL against, like. A few presidents.

I'm talking about two active superstars engaged in fucking gunplay with each other. Back when duels were a thing, there were a lot of presidents that shot each other. What's that one guy who died in a duel? Andrew or something? Isn't it Alexander Hamilton? Come on. You're the political were a thing, there were a lot of presidents that shot each other. What's that one guy who died in a duel? Andrew or something? Isn't it Alexander Hamilton? Come on. You're the political guy. No, I don't know who I'm talking about.

Trash. It all goes back to projection. Yeah. I want to talk about the most, to me, the craziest scene in the movie is the... Oh, dude.

You have to spoil some more. Dude, this is the best part of the movie. This was... You know what? Hold your thought. I don't want to consume that here. We'll do it behind the paywall. Okay, this is like the best part of the movie. This was... You know what? Hold it. Hold your thought. I don't want to consume that here. We'll do it behind the paywall.

Okay, sure. Fuck it. Because I don't want everyone to see the best... I want people to go watch it. But this was the hardest scene I've ever had to film.

Okay, fuck it. Let's do it here. Yeah, let's get it. Let's do it here. All right. So for months, we had been... And we'll show it

behind the paywall at patreon.com slash for your end. Also... Now, I just want to put something in perspective. There's probably some people that are meeting you here for the first time listening right now.

I really doubt it. Well... In my community, I... Never mind. We'll move forward. My man flexed on you. He said, hey, I don't know if you know... I just wanted to put...

Me and Hassan's fans are one family. I just wanted to put in perspective, you have filmed a lot of very difficult shit. Yes. So for you to say that this is by far the most difficult... Yeah, it was like my Chris Hansen moment. Come. I had a Chris Hansen moment.

Lead into it. I don't know how he does what he does. All right, so this scene... So for months we had been following this guy who lives in a trailer in North Carolina named Dave Todeschini he's like a New York guy living out of a trailer in North Carolina somewhere near a town called Salisbury

and you know he's a big QAnon vlogger so he has this page called Net for Truth USA where he was posting shit on Rumble BitChute, Parler and 8chan basically everyday he would post long videos about exposing you know cabals for Truth USA where he was posting shit on Rumble, BitChute, Parler, and 8chan. Basically every day he would post long videos about exposing cabals

of Satan worshiping pedophiles like saying JFK Jr. is still alive. Sure. Talking about Eminem and Dave Chappelle are like splitting babies in half and eating them together.

As one does. Yeah. Normal stuff. Gotta split the baby before you eat it. Evan, Evan Gilbert Katz who's our research expert,

one of our camera guys, he had been following this guy for months. And this guy was getting tens of thousands of views on his platform. Sure. He actually learned that this guy who makes videos exposing pedophiles is himself a convicted pedophile.

He was convicted in 1999 of molesting like an eight-year-old boy in New Jersey. Jesus Christ. Like, tried and convicted. Felon. Went to jail for like six seven years god right so we at the end of the movie spoiler alert i sat down at a fast food restaurant with him with his uh paperwork sure from new jersey and his mug shots after the capital right and he had

a gun on his waist and like oh you were worried he was gonna pull up on you he had a gun on his waist. Oh, you were worried he was going to pull up on you. He had a gun. Bear in mind, he can't actually have a gun because of his felony status. Oh, my God. So I'm sitting there talking to him. Oh, my God. A convicted pedophile who is now famous for supposedly hunting pedophiles. Right.

So I had a bunch of printouts of different celebrities that I had laminated that I got made at Kinko's that day. So I showed him a picture of Oprah. I said, do you think Oprah's a pedophile? He said, oh, definitely. Hillary Clinton. He said, yeah, she actually eats the babies. You did not pull his picture.

No, I pulled up Joe Biden and he said, oh, yeah, I call him creepy, sleepy, chomo Uncle Joe. I asked him, like, what does chomo mean? And he said, chomo is a jailhouse term for child molester. And of course, I showed a picture of Jonah Hill, who's the executive producer of the movie. Yeah. He was like,

Oh yeah, pedophile. Absolutely. And the final thing that I pulled was a stack of paper with his mug shots and convictions on it. Yeah. And, uh,

it was fucking terrifying because I, I was prepping in the RV before that. And I was just like, I might die during this interview. Cause you know, it would make for really good content for us to consume. If I died. Yeah, I might die during this interview. Because, you know. It would make for really good content for us to consume. If I died.

Yeah. Yeah, the movie would do a lot better. I mean, it's doing pretty good. So fucking, he just is, he was like, it's, I'm spacing it out now

because it was so fucking crazy. But he was like, under a false conviction. And I was like, what do you mean? You were convicted. He's like, I did what Michael Flynn did. I knew I couldn't. But he was like, under a false conviction. And I was like, what do you mean? You were convicted. He's like, I did what Michael Flynn did. I knew I couldn't win.

I was like, have you heard of projection? He's like, yes, Hillary Clinton projects all the time. And I realized that he just used the mythology of Q and all the conspiracies to assign meaning to his life, which he had broken himself. And it was really fascinating and sad. And I have no sympathy for child molesters but I'm saying knowing

that I am exposing this guy and millions of people will see it. Basically understanding the pathology of this person. And just realizing like you know because I'm not typically an aggressive interviewer. I'm normally like very empathetic listen along but I felt that for

this particular instance I had to kind of buck up for the first time yeah and just be like you make videos about pedophiles and you're a pedophile yeah yeah it was that simple here's here's the thing you you nailed it thank you it is uh i mean it was brilliant it was a wonderful moment it's great uh love to see it you nailed it on two fronts one one thing that you just mentioned nobody has sympathy for pedophiles right it's like the one thing that everybody other than like slavery and nazis it's the one thing in contemporary society where everyone just goes that's bad that's wrong everyone understands that it's like the worst thing you can do that's why chomos you know in

prison are murdered by other people right other criminals most of whom by the way have been molested themselves yeah so basically for that reason and this is a this is a michael hudson take um you know i gotta give him credit a lot of these people are oftentimes the worst people in their communities. Like they're the most like annoying fucking people or the most like divorced fathers who are like, who people don't want to be around or whatever. So they kind of like jumped or even pedophiles themselves. They jumped to like point out the worst in society specifically so that they

think that that makes them look better where they're just like, Oh, well, you know what? Are you going to come against against me i'm literally hunting pedophiles like what the fuck do you mean yeah i always feel that way about the pedo hunter guys i'm like what the fuck's going on here yeah they're so they're always so fucking strange like they literally will also illegally basically present themselves as children on the internet which is like wild to begin with yeah sometimes they use actual children's photos to do that too. And it's like,

what the fuck are you doing? The thing that really fucked me up about the whole Dave Totoskini situation is that whenever he got convicted of these crimes, he was a Boy Scout troop leader in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn in the 80s, which was a very black community.

And so that element particularly bothered me. Yeah. You know, the fact that there was like a weird racial element to it. At that point, I was just like, I have to do this. Yeah. I mean, it's wild that they actually convicted him back then, which is like when, you know, even back then, people were just like kind of.

Yeah, that's when Dahmer was. Yeah, they kind of kept that shit quiet back then. They didn't give a fuck. I forget what his justification was. We left it out, it out but he was like well his parents set me up because i was trying to tell the kid to stop taking adderall and his parents are involved in big pharma and adderall fucks kids up and riddlin makes kids autistic i'm just like yeah dude yeah come on now yeah no that that is oh you know what he said he was like where i got arrested it's a mile from a zoo you know what they sell at the zoo gift shop condoms what kind of zoo gift shop sells condoms

that's deflect that's like literally he's trying to deflect away so hard yeah but deflection and projection that what you just what you mentioned there the second thing i wanted to say projection is like a primary component of how and deflection especially is a primary component of how modern right-wing movements work now yeah we're like so many of them for example are friendly or even have promoted andrew tate right andrew tate recently uh as a top trafficker yeah top g was uh top groomer was uh using a lover boy method in romania which is a very common method that is used all around europe that's when you convince someone like you love them and you just like traffic them you yeah you fly them out you uh

convince them that you love them and then you manipulate them into doing sex work and then you oftentimes will do like physical coercion intimidation or you know give a little bit of love take it back you know that sort of thing to like continue this cycle of abuse and sexual exploitation for a lot of these victims right it's pretty whack and yeah that's it yeah it's a hard stance to take i know but um but all these fucking right-wingers including tucker carlson have had this guy who had been arrested prior when the investigation was still being conducted on his sex trafficking crimes. Like, had him on their shows and defended him. Yeah.

And said that he was like, you know, this right-wing hero that was being silenced and censored by. Breaking the Matrix. Mainstream media. Exactly. This is funny because he also believes in the deep state trafficking cabal right i'm sure i mean at least to the point that you can manipulate imagine you're actually trafficking and you're talking about that shit yeah yeah crazy but yeah i see what you're saying now when you said projection okay i get what you're saying now all these

motherfuckers like libs of tiktok you know the the number one like stochastic terror she loves taylor dude yeah she loves taylor obsessed with her it's very weird i think that i personally think chaya ray chick uh lives of tiktok is is uh an in the closet lesbian woman by the way i will say it now that i've seen her and the way she carries herself it like it makes sense because she constantly fucking talks about how like taylor i don't want to date you i'm like no one is saying that yeah like you just kind of came up with that on your own and taylor's married yeah it's it's very weird that you like call her taytay like yeah anyway but but she has like promoted fucking uh edger tate

there's another like prominent um there's another prominent like a sex trafficking survivor and advocate who's like kind of right wing like also was like hanging out with andrew tate if i'm not mistaken like there's so many of these people who are like constantly talking about grooming and and sex trafficking and the deep state cabal who turn a blind eye to the shit that's actually fucking happening because either a they don't care or b they themselves are are you know involved in something that they've done and they're just projecting it is that why he moved to romania he moved to romania because in his own words um the me too movement first of all he's like okay we're going to romania dude you can't

get canceled out there yeah basically and also again in his own words like rich people violate the rules all the time yeah but in romania you can do it on a budget okay corrupt on a budget that those are his exact words like so you can live like a damn lazarian lifestyle in romania on like a standard salary yes and he basically said you can bribe the police to do whatever so it's a cheap place to be a douchebag yeah oh okay damn which by the way is interesting slogan yeah it's interesting though because like he has basically admitted for years all of the things that he's now charged with yeah and then some and i always was like looking at it going like, why the fuck is this guy saying it? Like for months before he got arrested, I,

I talked about it. Like I said, this dude is going to be responsible for his own demise because he can't shut the fuck up about all the crimes he's committing. Yeah. Where would you move to be a douchebag? Not do all the horrible things, but just to live a douchebag kind of damn blizzard and lifestyle.

If you guys had to pick any country, where are we going? Ooh. I mean, I feel like I, I like have the capacity to do that here. No, no, no. Assumingly, you're only making like $100,000.

Oh, oh, oh. If I'm balling on a budget, an island somewhere for sure. Yeah, yeah. Caribbean island or like Polynesian island. There are so many islands. Are we talking Micronesia or are we talking about the West Indies? Let's get specific. I don't know. It needs to be island climate though like i and and but

also at the same time like islands are too small to be a playground almost i would i don't know i i this is a hard question to answer yeah where would you go what the fuck? He does not want to incriminate himself. Yeah, he's already planning on moving somewhere. No, I don't know. Where would I want to go to be anonymous? No, to be a douchebag.

I feel like Thailand is a good place to go. Yeah, that's where a lot of people go. That's where a lot of Australian douchebags go. Yeah, exactly. No, for reals. Like Sydney guys? Yeah. Oh, have you ever seen that guy Sharky? Who's like, they did a documentary. people go that's for a lot of australian that douchebags go yeah for reals like sydney guys yeah yeah oh have you ever seen that guy sharky who's like the who's like they did a documentary he's like a pimp out there and he's like giant oh i he got arrested right i don't know but i just knew sexpats go like a lot of sexpats go there for sure yeah um i just i mean i guess thailand is

i don't know how far it is in proximity to like Macau, but if it's close enough, then that's kind of chill. Cause like, I want to go all over. Have you been to Macau before? No, but I want to go. Do you like gambling? I enjoy gambling. Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know how to play any of the games, but if I did, I would go to Macau. I don't either. I just know how to play blackjack. That's all I play. That's a game. Yeah. It's the only one I know how to play. blackjack that's all i play that's a game yeah it's the only

one i know how to play okay um and i'm not very good at it i'm very unlucky but i still enjoy it like i just you know it's whatever but i just think it's like fun uh it's fun to do craps is the best game that's one of those where i'm like i don't know what the fuck is going on would you rather would you rather share a studio apartment for two years with either andrew tate or matt walsh oh andrew Andrew Tate, 100%. Why? He won't stop doing push-ups. Dude, it's fine. I work out. If he wasn't a convicted, or not convicted yet,

but if he wasn't charged with sex trafficking, I think Andrew Tate has at least some qualities as a performer, as an entertainer, that I can understand in a similar vein to Alex Jones. Like if you ask me that question with like Alex Jones versus Matt Walsh, Alex Jones, I would like to live with him. Yeah. So like Andrew Tate has some of those qualities as like an,

a relatively entertaining person. The unfortunate reality is that like the only way that he can express his, the only way that he has like been able to express himself is through not playing the role of a villain really, but like literally becoming the villain and also being a violent misogynist. So, but Matt Walsh has no redeeming qualities. Okay, Walsh or Crowder, studio apartment, West Hollywood.

Oof, that's hard. That's a hard one. Probably still Steven Crowder. Yeah, you don't want to live with Matt Walsh. Yeah, I just, I can't stand him. him he is like there's something about him that like to the core like because yeah all of these guys that we're talking about they pretty much have the same world view yeah but like matt wash also has no redeeming qualities on top of that like where is even with like steven crowder you could like kind of make fun of him

oh washer or charlie kirk that's tough oh that's a tough one that is that is a tough one dude still charlie kirk jesus man you know we do not want to live with this guy yeah it's like it's like adolf hitler and matt walsh you know what i mean yeah yeah for sure hey i feel like he'd be a fucking awful roommate fat wash yeah for sure he's just because he has that like annoying smarmy self-assured christian fundamentalist vibe too going on whereas i feel like at least uh all the other people that we talked about like they put that on as a front and i don't think that that's genuine like even ben shapiro right i feel like ben shapiro behind closed doors not that he's a good person or anything i hope people

don't misunderstand me but behind closed doors i feel like Ben Shapiro has the capacity to be kind of funny, let loose a little bit. Whereas Matt Walsh, I think, carries himself that way behind the scenes as well. I cannot see him being a guy you could even have a drink with. Yeah, any adult person who believes strongly in Christianity, I actually think that they might be all fucking morons. I mean, yeah. Dude, I mean, it's like literal interpretations of the Bible

as a grown person. That's like some Santa Claus-esque shit. Like the rapture and stuff like that. Like, what? Yeah, no, there's really fun stuff out there.

What about ancient apocalypse, though? Good evidence for a flood. Well, that's the thing, dude, is like the Q family, you can see. If true, the QAnon shit is like the coolest

sci-fi movie of all time. You know, like, if you're if true, the Q and on shit. It's like the coolest sci-fi movie of all time. You know, like it's, if you're a kid, it's fun, dude. Yeah. That's why they,

that's why they do it. Yeah. Um, but on that note, we should move on to the second part of this broadcast. I think because we have so much more to cover still. Yeah. Go watch the documentary.

Go watch the documentary. HBO Max. Andrew, it's been wonderful having you here. Andrew Callahan, channel five, and also his new documentaries out on HBO. Go watch the documentary. Go watch the documentary. HBO Max. Andrew, it's been wonderful having you here. Andrew Callahan, Channel 5, and also his new documentary is out on HBO. Go check that out. What else would you like to promote?

That's it. That's it? Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll see you next time. Also, know that it's not the only thing you want to promote. He has a Patreon. If you like Andrew's work, support him at his Patreon. You don't have to, but it would be cool if you did.

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We are going to give a sneak preview of... We're going to look at one of your uh all right censored content on our patreon is it the fulsome street fair video whichever one that you want to do you choose i'll watch fulsome but we'll we'll if you want to do it yeah let's do it you have to go to my patreon to get it though which means you have to actually be a patron are you a patron uh i don't know we're about to find out okay well i think i am but maybe All right. We'll see you next time. Regardless. Unless you're behind the paywall, in which case we'll see you shortly. See you shortly.

All right. Bye-bye. You saw about 90 seconds of it, but the actual interview is 11 and a half minutes. If my nose memory can handle that, you can handle it. Oh, my God. I don't even want to think about that. You're just like sitting in a fucking... You If my nose memory can handle that, you can handle it. Oh my god. I don't even want to think about that. You're just like

sitting in a fucking You guys pee all the time. You know what it smells like. Which also is Brace's famous So Brace's nickname Piss Pig Grandad comes from this guy.

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he's in the streets like outside bars, being like, yo, you have to go, man. I know you had a couple drinks. You want to go in my mouth? He's about that life. Bro, how am I supposed to continue?