Fear& - Hasanabi & Will Neff Spent A Morning With A Chess Master.. ft. GothamChess

Episode Date: May 9, 2023

We got the goat of chess content creators in the modern day with us this week. We’re branching out ok? Sure Hasan and Will probably dont know anything about chess or the chess world but we like to reach out and expand our horizons. Hope yall enjoy this one im writing this from a plane otw to the UK rn i hope we dont die i have flight anxiety okay see ya :)🎉BONUS CONTENT🍾 🌟PATREON - https://www.patreon.com/FearAnd🎧 AUDIO PLATFORMS - https://linktr.ee/fearand✰ follow Fear&! ✰Hasan: https://twitter.com/HasanthehunWill: https://twitter.com/TheWillNeffQT: https://twitter.com/QTCinderellaAustin: https://twitter.com/AustinontwitterMarche: https://twitter.com/MarcheFear&: https://twitter.com/FearAndPod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, okay. Yeah. You said you have a dog, right? Are we recording, by the way? This is good. This is good stuff. This is how we podcast, baby. I don't know if you're used to it, but we just go right into it.

That's how I used to do it, yeah. But I interviewed like Chess Grandmaster, so I had like 5,000 views. Okay. That's. You don't have 5,000 views anymore. You have a lot of views. That is true. How many views do you have?

Just like the number? Just the number right now. What do you think? Honestly? Yeah. What do you think down to the fucking total view count right now? What do you think? Honestly? Yeah. What do you think down to the fucking total view count right now? What do you think it is? Like down to the last number.

On my main channel, 1,285,733,145. What up? I don't even. What do you mean? You got to go to YouTube. Yeah, you go to.. slash gotham chess go to you go to my man gotham chess is yeah how do you not know this i don't know this either hit that subscribe button real quick just hit that subscribe later now i'm now Now I'm subscribed to Gotham Shack now. It's fine.

I mean, I should have done it a long time ago. No, it's okay. You got to go to about, I don't know why it's there. What did I say, 285? Fuck. Bro, you are real close. Wow. I just did 1.2.

I just assumed it. Look, I have no idea what my total views are. It could be. Is this too much? It could be. No, no, no. It could be. It could be... It's too much? It could be... No, no, no. It could be 200... Wait, hold on.

Before you look... It could be 200,000. It could be 200 million. It could be... It's not 1 billion. But you're not a YouTuber, right? I mean, at the end of the day, you're a streamer. 300 million.

Those 388 million. Not bad. I am not a YouTuber. I started... I mean, I upload stuff to my YouTube now. That's real weak, though. Weak nuts, dude. Fucking $388 million.

Gotta get those numbers up, baby. But I gotta say, a lot of my numbers are shorts. And also, yeah. And also. I don't do any shorts. Yeah, shorts are an interesting thing. I mean, it's easy for chess because it's hot right now, and also it's much more fun to learn chess in 30 seconds.

Such a fun statement. Yeah, chess is hot right now. Chess is so hot right now. Did you ever think that you would say that? No, no. In the streets? Dude, I was like 12 years old, and I was also in fourth grade. I have two separate stories where I was in school, and I was in, I was also in fourth grade. I have two separate stories where I like, I was in school and you know,

my teachers found out I played chess. And so I was like, Oh, look at this like golden nerdy boy who plays chess. So when I got fourth place in nationals, I got a trophy that was the size of me, which you would think would incentivize kids. And they asked me to bring it in,

put it in the principal's office. It was the most embarrassing experience, like top five of my life. And I was made fun of. You got no pussy for that. Hey, Chester. Yeah. That's like the reverse made fun of. You got no pussy for that. Hey, Chester! Zero.

Yeah, that's like the reverse pussy. Absolutely. You're like, no, hide this shit, dog. What are you doing? Like, everyone knows I play chess all the time now. You are not exaggerating and now it's like all teenagers are playing it now.

Yeah, why do you think chess is hot right now? I don't know the why. That's the most fascinating I think it's Twitch well there's three reasons right like there's three booms there was Queen's Gambit

oh yeah oh yeah that was Queen's Gambit made Chess sexy the noises that came out of your mouth when you thought

about Queen's Gambit no cause I was I was trying to think of like why Chess is so hot right now and he nailed it on the head

did you watch Queen's Gambit? No, but it sounded like. Oh, it was sexy. It sounded like you were thinking of Anya Taylor-Joy when you said, oh yeah. Yes, I was thinking. I was kind of thinking of having carnal knowledge of Anya Taylor-Joy because the show is very sexy. Yeah. There's a lot of sex that goes on.

What is she doing? Is she just playing fucking chess? No, it's like a love triangle, you fuck. Oh, okay. Wait, with who though who's the other two chess players the one who's like all heady and he like looks crunchy like he's in a jam band oh and then like the hard line chess bro say more about this show it's coming back now yeah they beat him a lot as a kid so i mean same he just retains like weird information but

queen's gambit was a show that i watched with my girlfriend kind of thinking i was like oh fuck flavor of the week netflix show and i actually really enjoyed it yeah it was viewed by i think close to 100 million households which it didn't like chess boards sell out yeah that's right yeah that's great yeah i used to get such a funny thing yeah i mean dude like it was funny to you know i was just sitting around making my my little videos you know how to play this opening how to play that and that was when covid happened so even covid was a first push like we had pot champs what is a queen's gambit it's just an opening i mean it's just like queen's pawn they mirror it and you like move your pawn like move two for white you can get into a queen's

gambit wow and so they named the show after it because he's he's really bad at chess i'm even worse i've i don't even play i that's actually one of the things i was excited for the most coming here not not your chess ability but like i feel as though uh i have you know i've i've kind of grown a little bit as a streamer as a youtuber the whole time obviously throughout this process i've known uh son i've seen you on you know on the screen i just talked to toast the other day and i'm like i've known about toast since 2017 because my roommate used to watch a ton of toast it's kind of like trippy for me to be sitting in front of people now like i used to just kind of see this person on a screen and just assume like

everybody else, they're just this digital entity. And I don't know. I feel as though you were one of the rare exceptions in the last few years. You, you never got into a pod champ. I never did. They always,

he car was always in my DMs trying to play chess. And I was like, I'm good dog. You're just like, I'm good, dog. You just don't have. Just not it. I know I don't play chess. Why don't you play chess? My dad is.

Bad graphics. No, my dad's like a Mensa genius. Oh. And he would just molly whop me in board games when I was a kid. Put up like 10,000 point word scores in Scrabble. Oh, that's fucked. I hate that. Octuple jump me in checkers

and just run the fucking trap in chess. And I got beat so bad I forgot the moves up until like a year ago and then I learned the moves again. Like I know the knight does an L, right? Oh, you mean like literally the characters? Yeah. Okay, I know that. Do you? Yeah. How they, okay. Yeah.

I know that. Do you? Yeah. Go ahead. We have to bring a chessboard. What the hell? Hit me. I don't even have one.

Hit me. What are the moves? What are the moves? The fucking, the castle, but I don't know the names of it because I learned it in Turkish. Kale.

Yeah. Castle. So what would it be? Like the ones, it's Rook. It looks like a castle, but yeah. So castle,

Rook, on the corners. They go only parallel. They can go the entire distance. They go straight. Pawns can only go double or one in front. Or they can eat by going diagonally. Okay.

The Vizier. What is that? What would that one be? You're so fucking that one be you gotta give me the direction the one that goes the bishop so we call it visit oh my god you learned in school or something like no i grew up here yeah you play i play chess in turkey a little bit like when i first learned it i learned it in turkey so i don like, fully remember what the names are. You know what I mean? Whatever the fucking names are. Because I never even looked at it in America.

I didn't even watch Queen's Gambit. I'm, like, anti-chess, dog. No, I'm not. I mean, I respect it. You know what I mean? I feel like everybody dabbled in recent. At some point, I was really worried. And I never campaigned for any streamer to participate.

Like, that was my whole thing. I'm sort of a, I'm born and raised in New York City, so I sort of stay out of people's business. Like, I'm very, I won't really do a whole lot of outreach, except, you know, I was coming here this week for five days. I have, like, my, I'm ending the week with a friend's wedding, and I kind of felt like, if I'm here May 2nd. You ought to do it. Like, you know. Yeah. Let's get on the lap.

Let's get on this. Are you a New York sports fan at all? Yeah of course that win last night don't you wish you came to the next i they didn't have jimmy butler and i feel like okay you know that's i went to game one and i watched jimmy you know jimmy butler absolutely fucked the next and and kyle lowry too um i what i did learn throughout this this was a i made this joke on a twitch stream so i'm going to bring it here too i learned that the closer you sit to the court and the more you pay per ticket the better the fans behave around you so i uh my my i took uh my wife and my in-laws they were visiting the u.s and we went to game one versus the calves sure and we

sat in the second deck because we had four seeds. They're like 650 a pop. We sat next to these five mega frat bros like Staten Island, New York. Every fucking point they stood. And like my in-laws can't see the court. I can't see the court. I can like do this. And they're slapping each other like this every point.

And they're on fantasy. I think fantasy ruins sports. I don't think that's a hot take. Yes. It ruins sports? I love that. We need fantasy ruins sports. I don't think that's a hot take. Yes. It ruins sports? I love that. We need fantasy ruins sports. It ruins sports?

We're 100% moving into that. Okay. It's not even fantasy. It's gambling. Yeah. Because usually fantasy is just like the legalized way of gambling. Yeah. When you're doing any kind of like sports betting.

And I 100%. I'm not even like, I don't even have a big dog in this fight either. Like, I don't really watch a lot of sports there's a hard line rule to fantasy sports don't do fantasy sports with a team you're a fan of I don't think anybody let me say these dudes sitting around me did

not follow that they were like every point like yo I got Mitchell Robinson four free throws bro let's go Mitch like shut up just let him take the free throws like relax if he makes the first three point of the half I win ten bucks Let's go, Mitch. Like, I'm just letting him take the free throws. Like, relax. Yeah, dude. They're doing like.

If he makes the first three point of the half, I win 10 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. When you're prop betting, you know, you're in the trouble. You're in the gutter. Profiting for your own team. That's fucked up. Anyway, but that's what I mean. Like all these fucking.

All these leagues are now basically aligning with the cash cow that is, like, DraftKings. Have we seen? They're doing so much gambling. Any sports betting on chess yet? Yeah, that's a big one. That's been a big question the last couple years. Like, when are we going to get? Because you could do results of games.

You could do, like, more count. Can we get what they open with? Well, actually Magnus, so like, I mean, former world champ, he stepped away, but he's kind of like the biggest competitive ambassador for the game. He just launched something

where you can bet on the utility of pieces. So like X moves of the bishop in a game. Fantasy. That is so... Prop betting on chess is the ultimate degenerate shit that is the most chess way of doing it it's not even like it's not even like how do you win it's like what percentage utility will will either either character that's so awesome you know chess also got uh a wave of like these sponsors that were a bit controversial.

So Magnus, he was sponsored by Unibet. I mean, obviously, everybody knows Unibet. He had a MasterCard sponsor. He was the first chess player to get these enormous sponsors, like Puma. That's sick. Because if you look at any world championship of chess, the sponsor list, nobody knows what any of the sponsors are. I mean, you guys get like watches right don't you get like tag hewer and stuff no no no no oh that's just we have nothing

i mean uh my bad so no no no these guys are nerds they're not doing formula one what do you mean exactly that was i mean but that's like literally what and what's the series formula one puts out behind the scenes oh drive to survive survive yeah that series gets a lot of non-formula one fans into it because there's oh yeah drama there's a lot of i actually watched one of the snippets last night for the first time on my stream where a guy went through a guardrail at like 180 miles per hour and the car explodes in flame and you see him like trying to crawl through the guardrail and you're like there's no way this human being lives. But apparently, like, the way that they're designed now in their heat suits, he comes out,

and he's, like, 100% fine. And it was one of the most mind-blowing clips I've ever watched in my life. That's fucking, that's sick. That was awesome. Yeah, see, well, chess will never have anything even, like, how do you even? What do you mean?

No, light, light. What are you talking about? He's like someone playing with a hand cramp, like, ugh. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, they're gonna finish the game, come out. Like, the closest we got to raw, you know, they're going to finish the game and come out. The closest we got to raw, controversial display of emotion, the World Championship just ended. Guy lost.

And in the background, you could see he was about to slam a thermos, and then he didn't. You don't have any fistfights in chess? We had chess boxing, but other than that, no. I mean, we've had a couple dramas here and there, but nobody really. Would you be banned forever if you threw a punch, probably? That's a good question. I don't think so.

I think they ban you for like five years. I don't think two years. Two years. Bro, the fucking real drama in the chess community is like every legendary chess guy ultimately becomes like a fucking crank. I thought you were going to say crackhead but i'll take crank no like 9-11 was an inside job juice control the media type motherfuckers you know what i mean i was at a little event yesterday uh like a little corporate thing and uh some guy walked up and you know he was like oh man you're gonna be the next bobby fisher i was like i hope

that that's no like to the normies they're like oh yeah that's like the chess guy right but like but like if you you know if you dig a little bit deeper like oh no what happened

yeah it's a shame that our goat debate comes down to Kasparov Carlson Fisher because I'm like do like five minutes

of reading on Fisher and you're like how the how is this man still considered like part of the goat it kind of it makes sense though

because like you know these guys have dedicated their whole fucking lives to chess you know what i mean there's that saying and then you find out a computer can fucking own you a little bit like i'd be pissed off yeah so actually that happened in their lifetimes didn't it yeah yeah uh it the first time a computer beat like the goat was 1997 so they've been better than us since around that time but we they got robots that can shoot basketballs now bro it's not the same every field if they let that robot play in a game he would smash no you just leave my half court how you gonna cover him

you're gonna put a player on him the entire nah dude well they're working like they're working on making robots have human mode like there's labs we speak, where all they do all day is... Disney Imagineers. They made Spider-Man, dude. Did they? Oh, you haven't seen this? Billy, pull this up. Billy Ray Brains.

Yeah, they... This guy loves robots. Every episode, he's like... I was on Lex Fridman. His whole house is full of robots. Yeah, that's why. Wait, really? Yeah, his whole house. Yeah, he's big robotics. That was on Lex Fridman. His whole house is full of robots. Yeah, that's why. Wait, really? Yeah, his whole house.

Yeah, he's big robotics. That was it. That's it right there. So they made like a robot. That's how it started. They started. I know this whole thing without words. You can turn the volume off.

That's the brick that they started with. That was a small robot that could basically tell where it was in relation to the ground while it was flying through the air. That was the second iteration. That's the first bend, and then boom, that's Spider-Man. And they put him in a costume, and he flies through the air at one

of their theme parks. Like, that's awesome. Wait, that's not a human? That's not a human. That's a robot? That's the Spider-Man bot. And they put him in a costume, and then they make him do tricks. Oh yeah, dude, NBA is fucked. That's what a human. That's a robot? That's the Spider-Man bot. And they put him in a costume, and then they make him do tricks. Oh, yeah, dude. NBA is fucked.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The NBA is fucked, bro. I think there's obviously a little bit more subtle movements, but... That thing is... It's a one-off. It's just like... It hinges. Yeah, that's true.

Hassan! You are looking at the gift of Spider-Man flight, and you're saying that's a one-off? No, I mean like that okay in order for artificial intelligence and robotics to get to the fucking level of like being able to defeat lebron james in the same way that a computer can handily defeat a chess player the best chess player on the planet you have at least like i would say in the most most liberal, at least a good 15 years of technology. I think you're wrong. I think they could make it right now.

Boston Dynamics is the closest you can get to autonomous robots. If you make a robot that doesn't move. Are we talking one-on-one or five-on-five? I'm talking five-on-five. No, I don't think so. He's just saying there's a robot that's like a shot cannon,

and they put it at half-pipe. Yes, they have it. Oh, I see. Okay, but that's... a shot cannon, and they put it at half-pipe. Yes! And it makes every shot cannon. They have it! Oh, I see. Okay, but that's... They pull him up, pull up the basketball robot. I see what you mean. His name is Basketbot. Dude, why are you...

There he is! Why are you so knowledgeable on robotics? It's so weird. I like robots. You really do? I really do. He's like... Every episode, he brings a new robot that's like very lifelike.

Look at the form. He's even got the flick in the background. Look, you just load this motherfucker. Toyota. All right, let's see. Anywhere on the court. Bang. Automatic.

It's automatic. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up, hold up. Wait, but what about when a guy's playing defense? It's going to. That's what I'm saying. How do you... Okay, if you leave him at like mid-court...

Why am I leaving him though? Shooting threes. Oh, because he's dribbling up? You're going to dedicate a player to play... Did you just stand on the robot? I'm going to have a robot too? Fuck it. No, but you're right.

Bang. Bang. Bang. Yes, I would cook this robot, bro. Bang. Bang. I crossed this robot's bitch ass up. You don't even understand.

Look at his shoes here's what i think what's i fucking unplug his shit dog what's he gonna do then nothing that's true no i was gonna say i think there's fields where it like it won't matter that a robot is better than all human yes it just won't matter we're still gonna play that you know we're still gonna play basketball we're still gonna do this stuff uh but some some fields it's an actual existential threat for the first time in my life like the last four years i've just thought about how to make board game content but i had like an existential conversation about chat gpt that shit is a problem like that's gonna put that that has the potential

to get you know run tens of thousands if not hundreds if not millions of people out of just grunt work jobs paralegals yeah data, data science. There's currently an ongoing strike that's happening with the Writers Guild of America. Aren't you a fucking Writers Guild of America? I'm in the Writers Guild of America. Why don't you go fuck your ticket, dog? I'm here! Every other host bailed. We have two other hosts.

That's true. We do have two other hosts. It's not about you though because one of them is sick and the other one doesn't live here. I see. Cutie? Actually, neither of them live here. Let's be real. One of them is sick and the other one doesn't live here i see um cutie actually neither of them live here let's be real one of them lives basically in fucking nevada the other one lives in oregon oh that's true yeah i see um but uh yeah there's a uh the writers guild of america is currently on strike i'm not the best writers guild one of the one of the reasons is literally that they went to the motion picture association and said we don't want you to have ai do rewrites on our scripts because like can you imagine you're like a fucking seasoned writer and then some studio exec is like

i ran this through chat gpt can these are the rewrites. Can I give you the real reason? What? It, the rewrite thing. The reason that they're upset is, is less of the existential crisis and more that rewrites are something that a lot of WGA members have baked into their contracts. Yeah. And you will get like,

um, a successive payday from that. So like, Oh, for sure. I'm just saying that like they're on the producer end if in the hands of like business owners we don't do any politics on this podcast by the way this is the maximum amount of politics we're gonna do all right

but if left to the hands of the business owners all technological improvements will always be utilized to improve efficiency what do i mean by that it's not actual efficiency in the same way that you and i understand it right um i what i mean by efficiency is the business terms like as in improved profit margins sure so that means they can get you know three guys's labor out of one guy if they have chat gpt and that's basically at the heart of this problem with with respect to AI if the workers themselves controlled AI and they were utilizing it then they could greatly improve their own uh you know workplace standards if they wanted to that's the main issue with AI I don't I don't necessarily I'm not anti-AI um but I do know for a fact that AI, just like any matter of technological improvements, will be used to, you know, kick workers off.

I just, I look at AI right now. This one? But do you want that one? I don't know. I thought it was yours. You always get. I get two for myself. What?

No. Do you want one? AI is so interesting because, like, we are at the crest of a roller coaster. And, like, what we're going to get out of AI is, I think, so beyond what we can fathom or different than we can fathom. And the next, like, ten years are going to be wild. I've decided after some careful consideration, I think I'm probably anti-Chad GPT

because I feel like we are fueling an all-knowing brain. We are actually creating God and that's weird. Do you think that maybe it's time for us to relinquish control and give it to something yeah no i don't think so i think this era of man has sucked i think we by and large suck that's a good point we've proven that we're terrible yeah and you know like ultimately you know a few outliers who are good, like myself, don't justify human race being in control anymore, man. Let's pass it off, right?

To our robot overlords, right, Hasan? I'm a Yeagerist guy, by the way. Listen, Aaron Yeager did nothing wrong. Dude, you're crazy. Okay. Do I think AI is going to take over mankind um probably not i think that the the same scumbag human beings that have all the power and control right now will weaponize ai but what if they didn't to control mankind yeah that's probably true that's what i think what do

you mean what if they didn't but i'm just saying like what if skynet becomes self-aware oh i mean i don't know. I think it would be interesting. Would you be that upset if robots took over humanity? Yeah, because I like enjoying things. You know what I mean? And I feel like robots would be like, no, dude, you can't.

But what if robots give you a perfect communism utopia where they're like, we're going to do everything. You live in your box we'll give you a tv and the internet and that's all you get we've tasted we've tasted freedom right that does sound great but i'll say it like this yeah robots are rational when i think about robots or like they're they they have like a built-in logical system to operate off of right when i think of robots I think of my grandfather. My grandfather is an engineer, okay?

Doesn't do it anymore, but he has an engineer's brain. And I don't even mean like Murat. Murat has an engineer's brain. My brother, he builds satellite spaceships for Boeing. My grandfather is a very stern man. He was always a very stern man. He was always a very stern man. The way I describe it is like we'd be driving down to go and get food at a restaurant, and we'd pass a restaurant closer to the house to go to a different restaurant

because we want, let's say, burgers that night. He would point to that restaurant and go, what do you mean? There's a restaurant right here. This is like closer to the house. Why don't we go to this restaurant? What i mean by that is for him it was like food is sustenance we need to maximize efficiency why aren't we going to the restaurant that's like right next to the house yeah why are we going to a restaurant that's even further away i fear that a world run by code would basically resemble that. And humans are imperfect.

That's what makes us. All right. Here's a hypothetical. What if robots created utopia for us? You can do anything you want. The only rule is you can't reproduce. What? Can I fuck still though?

No, because. Oh, what the fuck? No, I don't want that. You can fuck a robot. You just, you just can't reproduce. You can't. No, no it's too... Oh, what the fuck? No, I don't want that. You could fuck a robot. You just can't reproduce.

You can't... No, no, I... No? So guess what? You're a Jaegerist. I just got you. Oh, God. You'd revolt against the robots, wouldn't you?

Oh, my God. Oh, I sprained a trap. The entire time. The entire time. Okay, but it's the tools of how you fight back against the oppressors. Oh, yeah, you'd be peaceful fighting against the robot overlords. We're leaving our guest out of time. No, I was ready to get in there with a joke.

You asked me before we went live if I've watched any Attack on Titan. Yeah. I watched about one and a half seasons, so I'm very out of the loop. But I told Will, my friend spoiled it for me by telling me everything about the manga. Okay, well, I don't know what is going to me everything about the manga so okay well i don't know what is gonna happen i haven't i yeah i don't know is it over i think there's one season it's the it's the last last season part three so what happened is it's really good ip so it it's slapped so they decided that like the last season will be like eight seasons.

Yeah. They have literally been milking this last season for like five seasons. Oh, over a year now. Yeah. Over a year. They keep saying, they keep saying last season, part one, the finale of the last season, part two. Like they, they just keep extending it. What?

I feel like, is it an American based? It's not an American-based studio, right? No, no. That's probably why. I feel like if here you said final, you can get, like, sued or something. Like, what do you mean? What do you mean?

You said final three times. I'm gonna file a lawsuit. You can't do this. I think the Japanese people are playing along because they like it. They really like the anime. What shit do you nerd for other than chess? Oh, that's a good question.

It's funny i don't consume a huge amount of uh of content i mean okay i am a complete nerd about this one skill that i developed when i was a kid i can basically walk by any car and tell you what car it is just on its taillight this is my what yeah like for the most part. Billy Rave Brains, I need you to covertly pull up the back of a car and put it on that. All right, let's, you know, don't make it like a Renault. No, we have to do it. That's crazy. We have to. If you try to.

We're going to try and stump you. Did you also, okay, did you also think as a kid that like cars have faces? Yeah, of course. Yeah, okay. I feel like. You don't know. You don't feel this way? You don't know this? Yeah, all cars have faces. Dude, all cars have faces. of course yeah okay i feel like you don't know you don't feel this way you don't know this yeah all cars all cars have faces yeah oh thank god now i got someone who's yeah what the fuck are you talking about when i was a kid i would look at cars and be like

oh that's a sad car that's a happy car yeah all cars have faces yeah every car has like a face every car has maybe uh maybe after we do this quiz we'll do the front of these cars and you'll be like oh you see what I'm talking about? Like some cars look intense. So you were doing Pixar cars before Pixar cars. I have always looked at cars and thought it's so odd

that every car has a face and no one is like saying anything about it. That's fascinating. You just like unlock the core memory in my brain just now yeah the other the other stuff I don't really nerd out

for much like I can't really because I do content all the time I'll throw on like a twitch stream for background noise but I mean

I'm into like basketball MMA I've watched mixed martial arts for I don't know 15 years so you're a sport guy and you're a car guy

yeah what's your daily driver what does that mean? What do you drive around? I'm in New York. We don't have cars in New York. You're a car guy and you don't have a car. There's nowhere to park it.

I don't have a driveway. That's true. No, it's a... Listen, you live in a... I love driving. When I come out to LA, I really enjoy it, except when there's traffic. What do you rent when you come out here? This is my first time renting a car here, so it's very unimpressive did you rent a compact enterprise kia sold oh my god oh no so you're

doing well i didn't know what else to do so we gotta give you advice a fear and takes gotham chess to the track let's take you to a racetrack and let you drive some dumb wife is getting me like a birthday present where i can drive a Ferrari around the racetrack. That's awesome. My birthday's in December though, so I got time. Subaru. It's not a Subaru?

I don't think so. I don't have the skill. You do. Got the gift. I think it's the skill. You do. Got the gift. I think it's a Subaru. Okay, his gift is gone. You didn't even show it, Marge. You didn't even show it on screen.

Give me five. I'll either redeem myself. Oh, my God. That one was tricky. Yeah, pull up a Subaru headlight. Pull up a Subaru headlight. You'll see. Pull up like a Subaru legacy taillight. Yeah light super legacy tail light see i'm not crazy yeah i'm crazy

yeah like the one on the left that's the camry dog or wait oh on the left there no no you see it's like it's all right that's very close. Mark, show it on camera. You like how I knew it was a Legacy 2? That's actually very close. Wait, that one looks like a Camry 2, though. Doesn't it? The 2015-2019 Subaru Legacy taillight. The taillight alone, doesn't that kind of look like a Camry from the back? Am I crazy?

All right, let's see Camry from the back. Toyota Camry. I don't know. I mean, I have a Toyota Camry, and I might be wrong on? Let's see Camry from the back. I don't know. I have a Toyota Camry and I might be wrong on this. I have no dog in this fight. You know what I was expecting you to say when I asked you if you nerd on anything else? Batman.

Your Gotham chest. Yeah, but I didn't name myself that because of Batman. You're fucking kidding me. I named myself that because I'm in New York and it turns out Gotham is based on Chicago. I was like, oh, well, you know, what do I... Also, you got to remember, I had like... I didn't even have a YouTube page.

I just had a Twitch stream. I never even thought this was going to be my career. So in hindsight, I would have named myself something different probably. Yeah. And hat and chest. No, just... I would have even just been me. But now when people recognize me...

Me chest? Yeah, no, they're like, yo, Gotham. Like people don't know my name. It's very funny. Gotham is a sick thing to be called, though, man. Until they sue me, but hopefully not. Don't worry. It's not a Nintendo product. So many companies

use Gotham. Even the Jets, the New York Jets, who I'm a huge fan of, they call themselves Gotham City Football Club a lot. Really? Yeah. Also, you guys have Rogers now, right? Is that done? That's done Club a lot. Really? Yeah. Shit. Also, you guys have Rodgers now, right? Is that done? That's done. Officially.

That's done. He was at game one. You hear that? I do. Have you burned your Vax card yet? He burned his Vax card. What? Well, I'm a Jets fan, so in solidarity.

Yeah. But he burned his Vax card? Well, he's inoculated. He converted to Islam. He reverted to Islam when the Jets coach was... Bismillah. Yeah. I didn't...

He's a big stan. The only reason I haven't... It looks like my card survived like a nuclear... I mean, it's like all... I don't even know how people still use Vax. Dude, it's bad. I'm not going to name any names, but in the last even six months,

like it's 2023, I've been asked if i'm if i can show proof of the third vax and if i can bring my vax card to get into a building of like 5 000 people brother you you you need to get it on your apple uh like you need to get it on your apple wallet that's what i have no but like why do we even show this stuff anymore like i don't know yeah no one no one's wearing a mask anywhere like what are they doing there's buildings in new york that won't let you in unless you show three vaccines.

And I did not know that, but I mean, I do it for travel, right? Like, cause like if you go to Japan, you need to make sure that you have had your third inoculation and like all that stuff.

It's super simple. If you have it on your Apple ID, that's what I have. I don't know where the fuck my Vax guard is. I don't, I think I had it when i first got my vaccine and then that's it i like lost it no no i recently to go into like a studio to record the thing they wanted me to upload a photo of my card and it is it is pretty funny though because at this point like

like this isn't it's like weird to admit this but you know the the people fucking died already you know what i mean like it's true either had covid or you got uh vaccinated and then got covid so you're like omega protected you know what i mean and at that point it like the fatality rate basically resembles like the common cold you know what i mean if you are in some ways and you're so canceled in the words of aaron rogers in some way, immunized. The normal person in me thinks what you're saying is disgusting. But the Aaron Rodgers fan in me?

Tap that shit up, brother. What I'm talking about is like, welcome to the Jets, brother. I'll tell you, like my grandparents, right? They're in their 70s. They got vaccinated when it first came out, April 2021. They pushed for the whole family to do it. And they're Republican. I know we're not getting into politics. They're Republican. fully believe the science they're both like soviet union physicists so they got the two shots they even

got the third shot and then at some point late 2022 like they're like what what the fuck is this like we're not getting a fourth we're not getting a fifth we want covid at this point yeah we're done with this and they started traveling have they dodged it completely or did they get covid they've been sick here and there i don't know i mean the truth is because like my grandparents Yeah, we're done with this. And they started traveling. Have they dodged it completely or did they get COVID? They've been sick here and there. I don't know. I mean, the truth is. Because, like, my grandparents were super careful.

They got COVID and they survived it. And my grandfather's, like, really, I mean, he's the oldest. Dude, that was my experience. My dad's in his 90s. Okay. And during, like, the early days of COVID, I was so diligent about everything. Oh, dude, me too. Like I was, yeah, meticulous. My dad got COVID and the motherfucker didn't even, like he walked through it.

He's like, I feel fine. He got vaccinated though, right? I'm a little congested. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think like. A little congested. But I'm sure it helped.

Like I'm sure it helped. Oh, I think so. 100%. Yeah, I agree with that. That is the one part where I'm like, dude. No, I'm just saying. That shit was so fire saying my fear of COVID changed after my dad got it. Dude, I remember my wife and I would go out like only 9 p.m. Fully masked to the store.

Yeah. And come back and wash hands and shit. Like get under the nails and shit. Bro, did you ever do the fucking washing your groceries thing? What do you mean? Okay. Some people would like wipe down people would like when it first came out when when like when all of this was first coming out there's a lot of junk science

out there a lot of people were like trying to fucking make a living for themselves by being like overprotective of what to do at one point they were like they were saying covid germs were like green beret like oh yeah yeah they were saying live on a surface for 18 hours yeah the fomide uh which by the way way, we now know is, like, not even the case. Yeah. Like, but everyone was like, oh, it's fomide, it's fomide. Like, you can't contact, like, you can get it off of a surface, whatever. And it's just, like, aerosol is what we now know.

You know what I mean? It's all fucking breathing. But because of that, they were like, you got to wash your groceries. You got to wash your Postmates. I literally, when I saw that, I was like, nah, I'll die. Wow. Yeah. I was like, nah.

Nah, you're bringing up, you're bringing up, oh my God. That's not a core memory. I remember my grandma being like, don't get cans. Don't get canned soda. They're saying on Yahoo News that canned soda got COVID around the thing. And if you pull it, and I and I was like grandma if I get COVID like that I fucking deserve it

like I don't know what to tell you it uses the carbonation to attack your face I'm dead I'm dead kill me so I think

I think like 90% of people were just like my grandparents like oh my god we gotta be super diligent a year and a half goes by you're like I was there man like we were living in LA

LA was like New York we cracked down the hardest yeah I tried the curfews the cities I was there, man. We were living in LA. LA was... Like New York. We cracked down the hardest. Yeah, I tried to... The curfews. The cities. If you were in a city, COVID was different from cities.

My experience in Los Angeles proper versus my parents' experience in Pinehurst, North Carolina were totally different. Which is funny, though, because all the people that don't live in cities, we're constantly talking about how locked down they are. I'm like, bro, you never had anything. Yeah.

Like, you're in Alabama, dog. You don't even have neighbors. What are you talking about? We had to move our tea time. They got, like, noise curfews. You know you can't fly planes over certain small towns? I just learned this recently. Like, 5 p.m., no planes.

He was trying to fly a plane over a small towns. I just learned this recently. 5pm, no planes. He was trying to fly a plane over a small town. It was a wild time. Yeah, I look back. You could walk in New York City and there was just nothing. It was kind of cool. It was in a weird way. LA was so fucking empty. You know what? I'm going to give

you a free content idea. I don't know why this just came to me. You should play chess against someone in the back of a race car. Okay. That'd be so hype. I want to play, I want to do a series where I play devices,

like I want to play a Tesla. I played an airplane. I beat the airplane. What do you mean you played an airplane? Like, like every, so what they do now is they make like a gadget,

I mean in this case a plane, and they, you know, they put like a chess bot into it to play. It's not exactly the plane, like being AI. I love that. Did you beat the plane? I beat the plane, but I played a treadmill once and it to play. It's not exactly the plane, like, being AI. I love that. Did you beat the plane?

I beat the plane, but I played a treadmill once and it fucked me up. Like, I was on a treadmill at a chess tournament in Texas and I was bored

and I was, like, jogging and I was, like, in my cool down and I'm like, oh, it's got chess, cool, let me play this stupid,

and, like, it kicked my ass. Did you film it? Did you put on, like, the hardest difficulty or was it just cracked? I don't even know. This I don't remember.

I just remember I played this fucking treadmill and it was like murder. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? This is ridiculous. That is incredible. So you could probably play a fridge now. You could play a toaster. MacBook, I'll lose every time.

I like that as a concept. Yeah. I wonder who the best chess gadget is. It's gotta be that treadmill. Well, it's probably the, whichever computer has the, you know,

you don't believe that there's any like, you know, fighting spirit. Maybe it's just got chops. No, one is just like automatically destroys everyone. The one, the,

the, the chess bot that we're talking about is like, is there any way that we can have that treadmill play against Deep Blue? Like the chess. I don't know if they were like retired Deep Blue. But yeah, at the end of the day, it's all just. God, I would love to watch robots fight different chess bots. You love robots, bro.

It's weird. I'm so in. I like battle bots. I like when they just. Yeah. That's pretty cool. I'm so in. I like battle bots. I like when they just keep the shit out of each other. That's pretty cool. I feel like battle bots should come back.

See, that's why I'm like not afraid of the robotic uprising. Those battle bots are bitch asses, dude. What? Yeah, I'd fucking kick one. Hasan,

a battle bot would fuck you up beyond all recognition. You're out of your mind. What are you talking... They have rotating saw blades yeah what do you do give me a sledgehammer oh stop one one like zvai honda yeah you're gonna spy on them if you miss you gotta hit it whatever dude i'll fucking run away

and you're talking about like the pro sumer models have you ever seen any of like the american gladiator bots that they had to like defend the dome well like american military probably has some crazy ass shit right like that's yeah i mean guys pay some big taxes here boston dynamics uh has basically boston boston dynamics is at the at the cutting edge of this. They did the dog. Then they immediately put weapons on the dog, by the way. Not Boston Dynamics, but someone else was like, great idea. Let's put a fucking gun on it.

You know what I just realized? You're anti-bot. I fuck up a bot. You're anti-bot. I just realized this. Part of your obsession with my fascination with robots is that you're on the other side of the fence. Maybe it's because my brother fucking built both BattleBots

and just robots in general his whole goddamn life, and I just have a distaste for it. That's crazy. How do you feel about bots? I don't mind bots. I mean, I don't have- You're neutral. I just don't-

Yeah, I just choose not to care so much. He said neutrality. You guys connected about fucking car faces, and I can't get anybody to get into robots? Well, let me explain. In chess, bots have been better than humans for 25 years. We just live in harmony with them. Like, they help us get better at chess.

We don't give a shit that they're better than us. They don't threaten us in any way. In fact, I farm bots for content constantly. Like, we just finished this thing called tsec which is like computer chess champions like the two best bots in the world played so i just i use that for a youtube video everybody has a good laugh because nobody understands bot games they're fucking like you know supernatural level and they see 20 moves ahead and they make some ridiculous move and you're like what and then 20 moves later it shows you the point so in chess we will live in

harmony yeah our ai overlords i um i i want to i want to bring this up this is not necessarily about robots but this is about your content okay part of the reason why i was like oh gotham chess like let's have him on the show let's have him on podcast, is because I'm an old man. And as an old man, I do market research, just like all these marketing executives do by talking to my younger relatives. And I

always check in with Pro, Jake's son, my cousin. Like 14 now. I always check in with him. I'm like, who are you watching? If he likes to play Madden, which I think is, you know, that's shitty. It's Jake's fault. What's wrong with Madden? Dude, Madden sucks.

I want him to play, like, I bought him fucking Breath of the Wild and a Nintendo Switch and, like, Amiibos or whatever the fuck they're called. And, like, so many, like, sick-ass things to, like, get him excited about, like, playing, like, a massive RPG game. And he was just like, nah, I like Madden. He's a jock. He's like a gamer jock. What else does he like besides Madden? Anyway, but the point I was going to make. I'm waiting for the plot twist.

Yeah, the plot twist is back in the day when he was a little bit younger, he was like, Mr. Beast, Mr. Beast, I want Mr. Beast the whole time. He still does, obviously. Mr. Beast is for the whole family. But out of nowhere, apparently he likes playing chess a lot. And I was like, wow, you play chess? Like, what's going on with that? And so I asked him, who do you watch?

And he said, Gotham Chess. He watches a lot of your videos. And he's 14 years old. I mean, that's like you know those little shits are the the backbone of the algo well they're bigger than me they're not bigger than you probably but physically like i have a 16 year old brother he's six one well really no 14 year i mean pros is tiny but for now for now but my point is um you know chess is popping off and you've played a big role in that online, from what I understand.

I mean, you're one of the largest, if not the largest, chess content creator. By far. Yeah. Put some respect on me. Yeah. Put some respect on me. No, no, no. I mean, I'm just saying.

Put some respect on his name. I don't want to, like, you know. Content creator, not competitor. Like, I'm not going to, you know, mix crosswise. Like, Hikaru, Magnus, like, they play chess for real, for real. I can't play... Well, I'm kind of a bitch. You got B-Bite treadmill.

Yeah. Although, in my defense, it would have fucked them up too, probably. Yeah, I mean, I could tell you a bit more about it. Did he get into chess recently? Yeah, like a year ago. A year ago. Yeah, I think. So december 2022 january 2023 uh it took me 18 months to go from one to two million on youtube it took me 40 days to go to

three million what in the month of january my youtube channel had 300 million views that's crazy and if you combine tiktok and instagram it was all shorts like it was literally just yo here's how to win a chess game in six moves. Here's like this trick. Here's this concept. Here's this. And I never thought much of short form content because it's like you can't monetize. Like what am I doing?

Why am I screaming into a camera like chopping it up? And then finally, I just like sat my ass down and I realized I can write 10 scripts. By the way, you can, okay, it might not be like of interest, but you can summarize a lot of the streams of world news in 30 seconds. Those TikToks are fucking fire. I get them from these random people. They start with like, you know, powerful hook. Like you gotta like pay attention

to what's going on today between US and China. I'm like, oh yeah, I do. And then they tell me everything in 20 seconds. I'm like, damn, that's bad or that's good. Can you summarize the Israeli-Palestinian situation in 30 seconds, please? We'll just do a little sample. Go ahead. 30 seconds.

Hey, Billy Ray Brains, blow up a clock. There's no shot I can do that. Billy Ray Brains, blow up a clock. We're not doing that. We're going to put this on the internet as a short. That's the problem. The problem is, like, I can't do that. And go.

In 1948, a concept called the Nakba happened where a lot of Palestinians were forcibly removed or evacuated from their homes. And this created a sequence of events that led to the Israeli state being successfully- 15 seconds. Launched. Nowadays, it's, what do you mean?

It's apartheid. 10 seconds. Stop. Eight. We're going to, okay, I'm done. You got a lot of's apartheid. 10 seconds. Stop. Eight. We're going to... Okay, I'm done. You got a lot of history to get through. Come on.

Gossips rip. Gossips rip. Gossips rip. No. I would have to script it out. I would have to script it out. Yeah. You have to script it.

And also on top of that, also on top of that, you gave me the worst one. My man said nowadays. My man went, nowadays? You gave me the worst one. My man said nowadays. My man went, nowadays? You gave me the worst one. That's the best piece of content we've ever made. Give me the worst one. I can't describe it in 30 seconds. We're putting that on the internet.

No, but, okay, with slightly, you know, less hot. Dude, that issue spills over to Chess. Like, you know, I get a message in the chat, in my Twitch chat, like, yo, Levi, you know, much love, watching you from Israel for two years now. Yeah. That person writes that for the next two minutes in Twitch, they just get, like, free Palestine, fuck you. Like, it's crazy.

And Chess, Chess is not immune to that stuff either, man. Like, I get a lot of that. So, I get a lot of the weird stuff, too, because I'm, you know, I say I'm Jewish. Like, my family's former soviet union who else said that george santos but no no politics all right go on did he actually say he did george santos lied about being jewish and and also being a i'm 100 like my my 23 and me will be like jew all right pull it up no i have no idea george santos is a is a

new york uh republican who actually um unseated a democrat like the third most important democrat he's like a fundraising democrat in the party um and he lied about like one being ukrainian he lied about like his grandparents being holocaust victims holocaust survivors uh he lied about his name like he uses a massive comment it was a big meme uh but also he literally said he was jewish and uh and then when all of this came out that he was lying about everything he's still in office by the way american politics is awesome did you see the video of the guy he said oh i never said i'm jewish i'm jewish oh fuck damn i've been saying this for like my but i'm actually you know both parents Did you see the video of the guy running up? He said, oh, I never said I'm Jewish. I'm Jew-ish. Oh, fuck.

Damn, I've been saying this for like my, but I'm actually, you know, both parents, I had a bar mitzvah. I mean, I would hope I'm Jewish. They put me through some shit. I had to sit there and learn all the baruch atah. Anyway. Yep, yep, yep.

No, but yeah, back to like, there's obviously easier top talking points you can make 30 second content about and that shit works like it it's easy you put it on three platforms and you get impressions and people like get into it that's that's what happened with chess i i used to get my editors to like chop up shit from my streams but it's probably much better if you like write it if you write it i write it but you also understand like i work monday through sund, probably about 10 hours a day and it's only on my content. So I, I know every video we post, I, my Tik TOK guy brings me a Tik TOK and I'm like, no, put this in the front, chop up these three, like every day. Yeah. And, uh, no, same. So like, it's stream 10 hours a day.

No, but I imagine like after you shoot, you, you can't possibly also like fix five seconds in a tick. Like someone's going to have to make that easier for you. I don't stream, which makes it a lot easier. I get so tired after streaming and I just, it's my last priority. So I, you know, I focus on YouTube. I, you know, some of the scripted stuff. It really works. That's why he got into it probably.

And once you get into it, you got like two friends who get into it. That's all you need because you're going to be like the alpha, you're going to beat everyone, although I think that theory has been disproven, but you're going to beat your friends at chess, you're going to be like the smart one in the group, now everyone's playing chess, like teachers are complaining,

kids are playing chess in school, and not doing work, what the fuck, that's crazy. I want to put that forward to you, you're the greatest mind in chess now, or at least the most consumed. Just content.

Content. Definitely not the best player. The most consumed. Just content. Content. Definitely not the best player. The most consumed. Chess. Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, that for sure. Why chess?

Why is it so immortal? Why not checkers? Why? Well, pieces move the same. But why is chess so immortal? Why is it so timeless? Why does it have this universal appeal? I, see, I don't know if it's always been there or we

we made it in the last like three four years because i think if you go back to like let's say 2005 okay uh most people learn chess when they were young just in school somewhere it's in some cultures it's just something that you do uh but the truth is like as you get older sports other more useful academics uh like the fact that if you ever wanted to paint a picture of a nerd in a movie like they play chess what the fuck else do they play yeah there's no other game i mean like they play chess they're like this weirdo you know they spend you know the chessboard and everything um and i i gotta some bombs going off the fuck was that Jesus

anyway it might have been the stopwatch or something I think that's what it was look before I was doing any of this like I graduated 2017

I had a stats degree I was gonna teach a little chess in New York private lessons and go be a I don't know consultant

like I leveraged the connections I made teaching private school kids to get like an interview at Barclays and interview at Deloitte. But like, I never could feel like I was part of that world. I was constantly coming up short on interviews. I couldn't do all this like bullshit, you know, like name your biggest weaknesses, blah, blah, blah. You do all these interview scripts in college. What's your biggest weakness? Oh, for fuck's sake. Um, 30 second timer. No, I'm a way in God in life or in college. What's your biggest weakness? Oh, for fuck's sake. Pull up the 30-second timer. No, I'm,

God, in life or in chess? That's a good question. I think I'm, I have a massive case of overthinking and anxiety. I put thoughts into people's heads. So I will stop short of, you know, trying to push for opportunities for myself because I'm like, I think they have some perception of me already. Or meanwhile, like that's just

completely untrue. Or if I'm going to start talking about something to a room of people, I'm like, ah, they don't care. What was the anxiety you had before, uh, approaching us or coming here? Approaching you guys. Um, I think it was a little bit bit like we don't know each other at all. I know Ludwig. I'm going to go in the yard. I've sat next to him chess boxing. We've talked a little bit. Yeah.

That guy sucks. Yeah, we hate that guy. All right. Yeah, fuck him. I'll talk some shit. I mean, that dude doesn't respond to my DMs. It's ridiculous. Let's go.

He's a piece of shit. Unless you have a business opportunity, he will be on. Yeah, but if he needs you. Dude, I was like his best performing YouTube collab in like three months. I'm like, yo, you want to do another board game collab? He's like, yup. Air him out.

That's it. That's all that happened. Dude, answer my DMs. I don't know which camera I'm supposed to look at. Sorry, I'll see him in a couple days. He's the worst. He's the worst. Read him to Phil.

No, reaching out to you guys, I was like, we don't know each other. So I just never know. Like, we have to spend 90 minutes a room is it gonna is it gonna go well and i know you're not like the biggest you don't have the biggest interest in chess yeah but i never shut the fuck up i love talking yeah see there you go see i and it's it's going great i think it's going great right like but i don't know we want to find out don't get anxious you're a new york sports fan you get a pass from me yeah just like as a as as a as a guy yeah i don't know man like that's like i said though i just don't get into business too

like if if if i don't get invited i'm not gonna overstep i don't wanna plus we're here at 9 a.m i kind of feel bad i thought you you were this is awesome you're fun no i i i wake up early it's just like uh there's a lot of there's a lot of disease in this house currently, and I'm a puppy dad, so it's like fuck my shit up a little bit. You have a puppy or had a puppy. He's one now, yeah. He's officially out of the puppy area. You can pull up Gotham Doodle on Instagram.

Let's talk about that. He doesn't really have an Instagram page, but no, no. I'm saying like he has like five, ten photos on there. It's not like a... Black charcoal labradoodle? Uh, Bernadoodle. He's 25% Bernice

and 75% poodle. And you know what the weird thing about being a content creator is? No, it's Gotham Doodle. Like, his Instagram page is just Gotham Doodle. I don't know if you feel this way. I felt weird getting a dog that clearly is a genetic experiment because I have horrible allergies to animals.

All dogs are technically like that. No, but you know, it's like, oh, you didn't rescue one? Oh, you spent money on a dog, you fucking piece of shit? But luckily, somehow chess avoids this type of stuff, man. Well, you don't get yeah you don't get canceled for dumb shit i i actually did uh i i didn't give a shit about what

my uh dog's breed was i just wanted a big dog and uh lucky for me big dogs are uh you know not exactly easy to take care of so a lot of families will get one. I basically stole mine from a little girl. Oh. From a family that got this puppy thinking like, you know, oh, thinking that they were going to be fine to take care of a dog that's going to be like 150 pounds. That's a fucking cute dog. Yeah, that was when he was like your dog's age,

like all the way at the bottom. But now he's a fucking cute dog. He's prettiest bernadoodle i've ever seen like we've seen bernadoodles that don't make any sense like their face is white their bottom nose is what i've heard i've heard that like poodle uh breeds are like very um it's like very hit or miss but he's like gorgeous like he has the perfect color i don't know how lucky we got with this with this doofus but uh he's great he knows like 20 command like sit paw up off voice go to mommy like yeah he knows like go go upstairs go downstairs um hush like we we talking to start beating you in chess that's a real question i mean dude we like yeah my wife's like we gotta like record footage, like

you playing him or, um, yeah, that stuff always does pretty well. He was awful. I mean, to raise him was the worst experience. He was awful at chess. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. You didn't even know the rules. Like idiot.

Uh, no, he's dude. I, I, I remember that. Yeah. I was complaining a lot and people in my Twitch chat were like, why the fuck did you get a dog? You're like such an asshole. And I'm like, dude dude i sleep three hours a night like he shits on the floor every night i mean every night what like twice a day he'll just

shit all over the floor yeah there was a day i had him and we never created him we had a pen so i said him that's why you fucking had some issues though you got to do some great probably but we we just kind of felt like it was i don't know it was it was a brutal on him uh but we we've penned him in an area the size of a crate he would wake up shit and fall asleep next to like yeah that's why you gotta create him so that it's like like literally uh knows that like that is the area that he sleeps in and only has like the area to sleep in but like i had a pit bull i crate trained him and he you know in his more uh in his more like stubborn days with sometimes even shit in his crate you know what i mean you just and sleep in the shit sometimes dogs do that yeah it's like yep yep yep and it yep. And it's not even always like, oh, he had to go. And that's why.

The thing I have, the issue I have right now with Kaya is, and she's like, she's a mutt. I haven't gotten the DNA test results back yet. But, you know, she's like part Tibetan Mastiff. Very stubborn breed, unfortunately. And very independent, very smart, but incredibly stubborn. Goes outside, doesn't fucking poop yep was fine the first couple days was pooping outside i was like oh my god this dog's brilliant

like it's gonna be so easy it's gonna be a breeze now goes outside plays comes inside takes a shit inside the house looking right at me i'm like what are you doing you know this is wrong yeah this is immoral yeah yeah and and she's just like, yeah, fuck you. What are you going to do about a bitch? Pick up my shit right now. Dude, I live Farley potty trained in like two weeks. Yeah. Really? It's very hit or miss.

Some dogs are just like that. He's a little dickhead, but he's super smart. Yeah. Our dog is super smart. I just, I don't know if he was an idiot the first like eight months of his life or if he was pretending. But dude, yeah, I mean, he did a lot of the same stuff and i mean basically there was like my my wife went away for a month back home uh and uh i was raising this this bozo like just me and him oh that's the hardest dude yeah i was like yo like we're beefing like you are like the

tenant i can't evict i mean he would follow me around the house i would be doing something he would get his paws like onto a surface that's not the floor yeah piss like because he thought it was a p-pad so anything i had on the ground he would just go and he's just pissing i was like y'all bought a i'm just leave man i'm just leave you food like i'm gone this is oh my dude i know i know exactly that feeling's just, you, this is like blood boiling rage that you find yourself in because you're like, I'm trying so fucking hard right now to like, to like fix this problem. Yep. And you are just so uncooperative. You fucking shit.

Oh man. Yeah. Now, now, now he's much, he's adorable. Um, I mean every guest, like he's the friendliest dog I've probably ever seen in my life. He's great now. He's the best. My grandparents now, every day I'm like, dog pics. Yeah.

Dog pics. They're like, what about you? Send a photo of you and Lucy. I'm like, all right, here, dog pics. Now, dog pics. You guys are trading photos? Yeah. I like that.

My grandparents are not very fond of dogs i'm surprised that your grandparents from the old world are her they they never with dogs they they weren't and they didn't know if they were gonna like him they were very scared they didn't want to babysit for a prolonged period of time but he grows on everybody like he he grew on my in-laws too they were like oh he's like two hyper three four days like they left they're like yeah how's how's benji yeah what's he doing that's that's how it is for my fan like when i first got my my first dog who passed away fish he's a pit bull everyone was terrified of dogs turkish people don't like dogs oh they like cats right there's cats yeah they love cats and there's a lot of there's a lot of stray dogs in turkey too so like people just like develop a fear early on in their lives of dogs my brother was fucking so scared he he was deathly terrified of dogs now he

has a dog you know what i mean like and uh basically my entire family except for my grandfather the one i talked about the logical one engineer one except with the exception of my grandfather everybody loves the dog he still thinks like what are you doing he calculated he was like it's too dirty and you know the love doesn't balance out and also like he's like the dogs have utility guy like in his brain he's like why is this dog not outside defending the home yeah you know what i mean why is the dog inside why are you letting the dog lick you yep oh my i don't understand i mean listen i watch my dog lick his nuts for like 30 minutes and then walk up to me i'm like back up get that tongue away from me like you don't even yeah at least he doesn't like eat his own poop like some some

some female dog female dogs eat their own poop so yeah well she's she's actually really good with that it's just um like eating it or yeah she eats it all so there's no i um uh i haven't had that issue with her yet okay i'm sure that'll fucking come i didn't know that was a female dog thing yeah it's not male dogs do it too it's because they have uh like because they're too stupid still like when they're puppies they smell the food in their own feces and then they like think that it's a totally different thing wait what did you hear i've heard that it's like self it's like defense especially the smaller the dog it's worried that if it poops it'll leave a scent

and get hunted oh oh that's interesting i i didn't think of it like that but i've seen i've seen my trainers belgian malinois try to go after his own poop and I thought it was because there's like food pellets in it. You know what I mean? Particles. So like they can't distinguish between poop and food

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could have done i'm doing my best patreon.com slash fear and it's not going to be poop it's going to be really great and we'll bring kaya in here too where can we find you if they don't know of you already which i'm sure they do uh what do you have coming up? Tube. That's probably the best. I'm Gotham Chess everywhere except TikTok because I had an account on there with a very old number. And TikTok's support is like three hamsters just like manning like a whole building. So they also didn't verify me.

I'm like the most followed chess channel. And they were like, nope. I'm like, I sent you an ID and an id in front of my monitor a photo in front of my monitor with my account like that's me and they were like nope newspaper no it's crazy yeah it's really bad if you fuck up on tiktok uh i don't know you got to make a new account but it's uh it's gotham chess everywhere um i think probably the most exciting thing i have coming up like for for me personally outside of just more digital chess stuff is a book so basically um kind of like re redefining how chess is taught in text it's gonna be like a very fun read it's a book that if you got 15 minutes and you're tired and you're like trying to make a change and not scroll through tiktoks before bed which is what i do all

the time you could read this book and you don't need another chess board. You just read it. You go, Oh shit, that was cool. I learned something, but a bookmark. And then,

you know, what's the name of it? It's called how to win at chess. Uh, and then like the subtitle is the ultimate guide for beginners and beyond, but it, it comes out in October. Like,

I mean, it's pre-order now, but it's, it's only coming up. The book industry is wild. That is, I learned that the hard way there's like, but it's only coming out. The book industry is wild. It is. I learned that the hard way. There's like four.

It's like airlines. I think it's a worse monopoly than airlines, actually. The publisher's on the entire marketplace. There's like a couple. Who are you going with? Who'd you go with? Penguin. Penguin.

But like an imprint of Penguin. So it's a smaller one that was owned by them. And yeah, I was very excited. I had a couple of big ones bidding like a bidding war i learned yeah it was it was uh it was wild to learn about all this but it's uh the whole the whole system is kind of like a mafia style uh they give you an advance and then they uh every time you sell a book like i thought okay i sell a book and you know it goes toward toward the advance. No, no, you get 10% of the share

of whatever the cost was. That goes to paying off the advance. So they strip you of the 90% of the book sale and your 10% is used,

so it takes much longer to pay it off. So you got to sell like a lot of books. Mid five figures, like high, like low six figures to like actually make back

the advance. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's a, they're a cartel. We can talk more about that behind the paywall low six figures to actually make back the advance. Yeah. They're a cartel. We can talk more about that behind the paywall at patreon.com slash fearhand. We'll see you next time. Boots.

Bro, this is called market research. What are you doing? You're fucking up. You need to know this stuff. Yeah, but aren't they like seven? Doesn't matter. Seven-year-olds... Dude, this is iPad kids. Seven-year-olds dude this is ipad kids seven-year-olds have access to the internet they have access to every yeah yeah yeah yeah you better be already brah-ing with the best of all you better you better be out there fucking writing some google gaga ass like tiktok videos for seven-year-olds dude i'm telling you i'm gonna

write a book like yeah here's here's which chess pieces taste the best that's awesome you should do that i should yeah which one's the best binky come on man based oh my god yeah like the seven-year-olds if they're like i said that about the Rook, I felt that. Yeah.