Fear& - Kkatamina's First Podcast Ever & TinaKitten's Last Time On Ours Probably.. | Fear&BookClub

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

This week we called in Tina and Miyoung to bail us out because we never book guests more than a day in advance and my life is a nightmare hellscape with tight turnarounds and high stress levels. But we do it all to provide you with this show so thank you for watching it every week. Also Will isnt here because he's at a wedding. Topics include some actually insightful stuff for once like, the girls' experience navigating the online space as women, stan culture and backlash over commentators chosen for League worlds. Alright bye love you ♥🎉BONUS CONTENT🍾 🌟PATREON - https://www.patreon.com/FearAnd🎧 AUDIO PLATFORMS - https://linktr.ee/fearand🐥follow our guests!🐤Tina: https://twitter.com/tinakittenMiyoung: https://twitter.com/kkatamina 🐤follow the boys!🐥Hasan: https://twitter.com/HasanthehunWill: https://twitter.com/TheWillNeffMarche: https://twitter.com/MarcheFear&: https://twitter.com/FearAndPod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Like we're, oh, wait. Yeah, like one. Joe Rogan says it's like the one fist rule, basically. But you don't have to. You can just get up. You can get up close and personal with it. It also keeps raising. Yeah, that one, you need to crank it, I think.

You can just hold it down. No, no. It's one of those things where you need to crank it, I think. You can just hold it down. No, no. It's one of those things where you need, like, a screw. Yeah, you need an Allen key. Thank you. An Allen key. That's why we pay Marsh the big bucks. And it will, like, redistribute the weight, I guess.

It's weird. I don't know. Some science. Some science stuff. So you said you were afraid because you were breaking out. Me too. Wait. I don't see anything see anything no because i have a zip patch on oh yeah i was going to put some on i have some like in the shape of like stars and christmas trees and stuff i love that me young is playing hearthstone me young we are literally recording right now yes that is insane okay in all of listen i actually cut pieces of hair in hopes that i could cover my breakout and it's just in all of my years of podcasting this

has never happened where one of my guests just straight still by the way she's looking at me but underneath the desk she's still but what are you playing heartstone yeah heartstone battleground let's go oh god not sponsored no but i am also really good at multitasking no i'm not i'm sorry i lied she didn't know you're a liar too maybe we can restart yeah maybe no no this is great this is great this is great she does this everywhere okay well just ladies and gentlemen boys girls and bees this is a very special episode of Fear And. Will is, of course, as always, not here because he had to go to a wedding or something. I don't know.

Oh. It happens. But it's a special episode because it's a ladies episode. We heard a lot of you were like, yo, Hasan, why are there no ladies on the show and i was like this is it start you had ladies yeah i i it's a joke yeah i've seen like good clips of the leslie one what leslie has been on um i've had the second episode or third episode we had a first episode we had uh pokeman on we've had a lot of girls on. Why am I defending this position?

This is what happens, right? Whenever someone asks you a direct question, even if it is quite literally just so far away from the truth, you end up defending yourself and then it looks suspicious. It looks like I hate women now. That's true. It's like, no, no, no. I have them on the podcast all the time, I swear.

And then anyone could just go like, oh, yeah. Oh, I have a woman friend. Like, oh, got it, dude. Yeah. It's like, no, no, no. I have them on the podcast all the time. I swear. And then anyone could just go like, oh, yeah. Oh, I have a woman friend. Like, oh, got it, dude. Yeah. It's messed up. Anyway, Myeong, look up at the camera or just away from your phone. Is that the camera? There's cameras everywhere.

I'll concede. You know what? I just want you to know this is a big deal because I never concede when I'm winning. But here I am. Those are like hot ones. That's crazy. Yeah. Are you playing as other people?

How does that work? I you playing as other people how does that work now i got eighth place and i lost a lot of mmr for that but that's okay but you lost she conceded you sabotaged the podcast oh okay i didn't realize you could just kept playing honestly i was just messing around oh my god don't make me queue up again i can't believe you're playing ranked when we had to go there's no option to play unranked that's crazy okay i've never played hearthstone but as i was saying uh we got the ladies here uh we got the wonderful lovely miyung uh also known as k katamina which i'll be asking you about with the reasoning behind that okay and we have tina tina kitten hi yes um okay so i'm very excited to do this episode uh i had to basically beg tina and and also apply pressure on top of that from

like multiple avenues to be able to get her on you guys don't understand you guys don't understand tina is like like i feel like i have bernie sanders uh easier than tina she's she's a busy gal it's not i was just like listen okay first of all you said friday as if on a thursday night and i was like tomorrow i don't like when people do that they're like like oh are you coming friday i'm like friday's tomorrow like Like they say tomorrow. That's like a little blanket statement so that, you know, it makes it seem like you're planning. Yeah, I was. I was planning very, I was planning 24 hours ahead of time.

Yeah. Which is a lot. Many hours. 48 hours. Like 23. Well, okay. Well, regardless, that was one thing that definitely made it a little bit more difficult to to put this together but you know i'm only gassing this up i'm only juicing this so that they understand

like how valuable this episode is okay so without further ado um let me just get this out of the way you've been on podcasts before i have but i think i'm like pretty bad at talking no you're not that's crazy everyone i ever meet that's like a twitch streamer doesn't realize it like twitch streaming literally is just podcasting for eight hours but i it's a lot of stuttering when i speak you don't stutter i feel like i do no you don't really it's in your head yeah i use the word like a lot that doesn't't matter. I suck at speaking. When I first started speaking, I was really, really disastrously bad. And part of the reason why I actually started on Twitch was so that I could get better. Really? Yeah.

At communicating off the cuff. Because everything I had done prior to Twitch was, I said Twitter. I meant Twitch. Everything I had done prior to twitch was actually scripted i would write my own scripts and i would do a green screen show so i had never talked about yeah i'd never talked about political stuff uh off the cuff and i'd done a couple debates i wasn't very good uh at public speaking so i was like i think if i go live have a place that i can call my own like a community that i go live at every day i'll be able to get better at speaking off the cuff

which i think i have now i can't shut the fuck up that's a problem wait it's good ambiance yeah it's better to speak too much than too little. I think so too. I disagree. Or Twitch streaming? But you guys are women. That's actually what we're going to be talking about. Oh. Yeah. The difference is in perception when you do something versus when I, a guy, does something. But before we get into that. Oh, yes.

This is the first ever podcast that Mion's ever been on. Is that true? Wait, really? You've never been on even like an offline TV? No, not a podcast. What? What? You've been after the infamous sub-a-thon?

Whoa. That's crazy. I am nervous. I've never done this in my life. Yeah, I can tell because you refused to speak into the microphone. And she's picking wind off of it. This actually makes so much more sense because whenever we play Valorant, in my life. Yeah, I can tell because you refuse to speak into the microphone. Is that a normal? This actually makes so much more sense because whenever we play Valorant,

it's like Mi-young's microphone is inconsistent. I don't know if she's going to have a mic. Her setup is the most egregious setup I've ever seen in my life. Let's rip into Mi-young. Her desk is this wide. No, it's not. It is, and your mouse pad is almost bigger than your entire desk.

Half of it is, like, flipped over off the edge. If you use the mouse, it's ramming into the monitor arm. What? It's, like, it's so bad. I literally started crying once when I had to borrow her setup because the sun was beaming into my eyes. She literally plays Valorant. How are you so good i don't know

you could be so you could be godlike that's insane getting roasted that's a bit of both that's insane neutral you are you're you're like one of my designated carries when i'm like i need to rank up like i gotta hit up me on because i know she's always gonna she's so she's so consistent you just you're very good valorant is a video game that i like to play for those of you who are watching the podcast we're like why aren't you talking about politics we don't talk about the politics on the show we usually do no okay i never talk about politics on the show i'm just memeing but uh yeah i've been playing a lot of valorant as you guys know i'm deeply addicted addicted. Miong is very good.

You're about to rank up higher than me, though. That's not true. I already de-ranked. I literally de-ranked. I'm bronze three again. Wait, really? I keep playing without you. That's what happened.

Oh, God. You must have been devastated. Yeah. I keep saying, like, Miong, let's play, and then you just don't respond. That's also a lie. Okay, that is a lie. That's also a lie. Miong is always's play, and then you just don't respond. That's also a lie. Okay, that is a lie. That's also a lie. Miong is always down to play Valorant.

That's true. But now that I know you play, like how big is this deck? Like is it as big from like here to there or smaller than that? No, it's like here. It's like. What? No, no, it's like from there to there. It's also like on little pegs.

Like it's not sturdy. Like you could literally like rattle it. Okay, Tina, tell me to stop. Okay, I'm going to start from that corner. Tell me when. It is smaller than your wingspan for sure. I think it's like, it stops here. From that corner?

Dude, okay, wait, wait, wait. From the corner. Oh, this corner? Yeah, like. I'm just saying about this one. That's insane. No, it's not. What do you mean like one of those monitor arms the mouse rams into it like there well you don't have to move the mouse that far if your sensitivity is like cranked up really yeah so she's like i'll just jack up the sensitivity super high so i only

need to move it a centimeter like that's's crazy. Okay. That's insane. I love hearing about setups. What is yours like? Um, I need lots of space. I use like the Carl B set up, which is like that Walnut countertop thing that you buy from Ikea. And then the two white drawers. I like the way that looks.

It's also, you know, big, thick piece of wood. Nice. It's 30. And then when you slam, when you rage and you death slam

it sounds like it's got a lot of bass to it yours sounds like cardboard or like plastic i cannot comprehend why you still you know operate off of such small confined space she doesn't properly name anything it's all mic one mic one mic one one one mic two i'm like i was like trying to stream from her side i was like miyang i can't do this without you like i need you here like this is too much like i was like wait why i don't know because i'm lazy that's so wild i remember it like how many i just can't believe you thought i could do that by myself me i was like tina i don't get it it's as if it's three like what the fuck streaming as good as that it's too much mine's properly named all my files i'm like this particular jpeg

png whatever i'm like this file from this thing i i can't. I don't know. You're too much for me. What were your feelings before coming on the podcast today? Especially as you've never been on a podcast. Let's start with you first. Nervous. Scared. Anxiety. Even now I feel anxiety.

Tina's reaching out to you. Thanks, Tina. You're welcome. They're holding hands underneath the table. It's very cute. I needed that. And now how do I feel? Nervous, scared, anxious. But I'm holding Tina's hands a little better.

What about you, Tina? I guess I'm, first of all, I just don't feel like I have anything insightful to say. It doesn't have to be insightful. That's always what I assume podcasts to be, though. You know what I mean? 90% of the time, we're just talking about dicks and stuff and butts. You do?

Yes. Almost every episode, there's a mention of penises that we have to. We just have to put it in there somewhere. I don't know. It's just how it is. It's just how it works out every time. Penis. Oh.

Not like that. Like, we just straight up. Like, one of the episodes, we looked at Keemstar's uncensored boofing video where he like puts. What is boofing? He puts like a car exhaust in his ass when you put something in your butt. Yeah. We looked at that. He did that?

I think he had like a dildo strapped to a railroad and he was just like bouncing on it pretty hard. One episode we looked at Antonio Brown's dick when he whipped it out in a dubai pool uh which was crazy are these real last episode yeah these are real except for the keemstar thing allegedly maybe not real for all legal intensive purposes um and then and then uh last episode that we had with bb no money we looked at nle choppa's missile he posted a photo of his of himself in a boxer with his like penis you could just visibly see the outline young is like why the fuck did i agree to this podcast this is the worst thing i've ever good visuals good visuals okay you're really descriptive about it yeah no he is my man has a wmd for sure a wmd a weapon of mass destruction

yeah um you guys are learning a lot you guys are learning a lot you're picking up the lingo so that's that's basically what we talk about we talk about embarrassing stories you know what we've done how our weeks have been and what we're looking forward to um but on this episode it's a ladies episode so i wanted to ask you guys so i wanted to ask you guys like what are some of your gaming moments you're both gamers what are some of why is that debatable because i feel like i play game on all games at like a leisurely pace you know that that's insane oh you played sage the other day and you were cracked after not even playing oh just a little okay i was top frag for the first what five minutes yeah when it counts when it counts and it counts does it yes it does all right don't sell yourself

short i think you're selling yourself short because, and I think you do this too, partially because I think there's a different expectation. Like, do you ever feel like you have to be above and beyond really good at gaming as a girl, whereas, like, guys can just suck. And automatically they're considered to be, like, you know, probably decent above average.

I am one of the very few, very rare exceptions because i'm not like a gamer first um where i'm a political commentator so everyone expects me to suck but usually i feel like uh especially with valorant which has a pretty high percentage of uh female players in comparison to other games online other competitive fps especially um that problem comes up more frequently. Yeah, because, I don't know, I feel like if I perform bad, it's because all girls suck, and it's not just because I as an individual, you know, suck. And so I'm like, oh, like, you know.

So I always try to, like, down, I always try to emphasize the fact that i like do not play the game at all because i'm like oh my god i don't want to like represent everybody poorly even though i shouldn't feel that expectation right but i remember like hundred thieves they posted they're like yo can we like post this clip of you playing a jet for the first time and i was like okay sure and it was just me spamming all my knives into a wall and then killing the stage you were there for that right but they were like you know obviously i was joking and i was just like playing around and like throwing stuff but like all the comments

were like woman moment woman moment i'm like woman moment really like okay because like i feel like if a guy did that it would be like that's so true so you know like it's i do that all the time and that's what i was saying so i was like oh like it kind of just sucks that like that's the expectation you know that it's like if also i just feel like there's always um i don't know like i feel like women aren't allowed to joke about certain things because they're always held like, well, just like, I'm trying to think. I think men are often given the benefit of the doubt in terms like, like when you see a guy and he does something really dumb, he's obviously joking, but like a girl could do the same exact dumb thing and it's presented like,

oh, she must be serious. She's so stupid when she's also just joking i feel like that happens a lot what is a dumb thing that you've done that people have misconstrued and thought was genuine um it might be like a lot it's i can't think of like a particular scenario, especially because I feel a lot more cautious these days. But like, you know, you just like throw silly jokes or like pretend to like not know something. People like take you very seriously. I can't reference a specific time, but I just know like generally that's something that happens a lot. Not just to me, but like a lot of other girls. I don't know.

What about you, Mion? Do you feel pressure? Mion's like, I don't give a fuck. I'm just cracked. I don't even care. No, I'm not cracked. No one ever says I give a fuck I'm just cracked I don't even care no I'm not cracked no one ever says I'm bad because I'm just

fucking cracked all the time yeah she's like Tina have you thought about getting better to I have to defend

to defend women better on the internet I'm not even kidding not me she said that don't look at me don't look at me I was in the shooting range

last night I was going against hardbox young i got to 15 that's actually really good really yeah that's really good i was watching cartoons on the second monitor maybe that's why it's like better will claims he has porn on a second monitor that helps him actually like focus more on the game increases testosterone levels no no just like it i think he says he like laser more on the game. Increases testosterone levels. No, no. Just like it. I think he says he like laser focuses on the game.

And then sometimes it's like a little treat. Like if he gets killed instead of tilting, he just looks at porn for a second and then he's back in. I don't know if I believe it, but that's what he claims. I don't know if I would reward bad performance with a treat. Well, instead of, ooh, that's good you're right tina hundred thieves valorant coach we're outing her right now actually 100 thieves new valorant coach is tina kid wait actually wait didn't the hundred thieves valorant coach recently like leave or

something i haven't i i have no he did because i remember joking about it because i was like yo hundred thieves like it's okay. Like, hit me up. Like, I got you guys. So I remember something like that happening. And that's because Tina is the new coach. That's it. First ever exclusive. I don't think I'm like, oh, my God, in tune with anything Valorant related.

I will say I think I'm like more so the token Minecrafter, which is also an interesting. Let's talk about that why is it interesting is it interesting um negative connotations sometimes depending on what community you're from like what uh i guess like people before we start on this just remember a lot of people that are watching this are fans of mine some of your fans are also going to be tuning in but just always over communicate because it'll be helpful because a lot of people don't know the context the background can i listen to this before it goes out oh god that's terrifying. I feel like I have bad opinions. You can't fuck up. No, I'm kidding.

Of course, if there's anything... I really have to like... If there's anything... No, no, no, no. If there's anything you don't like, we can cut it out. Plus the second part is going to be behind a paywall anyway,

which is why like you can just, you know, fuck up as much as you want. Paywall! But having said that, we can cut whatever you don't you don't want on here but you're not coming across bad or mean in any any way i would stop you oh okay okay what were you gonna say i also don't want to talk too much because i mean no no no she loves it yeah i love it actually i just i talk way too much okay i will I will say, like, I feel like there is a negative connotation sometimes with, like,

Minecrafters just because the audience generally is made up of, like, a lot of young, passionate girls, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And I think sometimes they are too scrutinized as a fan base just because, like, there are plenty of other obsessive men as well. Ex-UC fans, juicers. Yeah.

Or, I mean, I don't like, I, I'm, I don't want to say any names obviously. Say some names. Do it.

No, every, every content creator, especially in our field has a stand-up. Okay. Yeah. Myself included. And, um, creator especially in our field has a stand-up okay myself included and um we definitely do have

a different way of viewing people that are like tyler one heads or xqc fans uh even though they're quite literally stands almost identical in every in every sense of the word they have avatars on twitter that are you know felix there are photos of felix they reply to everything that he says they're constantly monitoring his activities behavior in the exact same way the stands do of other communities but because it's felix like people don't see that in the same way they don't there's a there's a different perspective on how for example k-pop stands are viewed and and how minecraft stands are viewed Because I think that a big chunk of those stan communities are predominantly LGBTQ and women, you know, women of color.

I know, I agree. I feel like whenever there's a large audience of women that enjoy something, it gets absolutely shat on. Like, you can take Starbucks, for example. Starbies. Yeah, like, Starbies with the gals. Like, as soon as, like, you know, like, it became, like, a thing that a bunch of girls, like,bies with the gals like as soon as like you know like it became like a thing that bunch of girls like bunch of teens like all of a sudden

it was like yeah you know yeah exactly so it was like basic culture or like was i feel like the beatles had a very large like women fan base audience but then like as decades went by like more men started to like it and then they became cool again because it was more like you know i don't know or any like major male celebrity with like like one direction i feel like they had like anyone was i don't know they had like a large female audience as well like just stuff like that you know women kind of run the show though in that regard like when you have a large and cute when you when you have a very large active female fan base they are they're zealots almost like they're they're diehard fans which can get a little problematic from time to time but i think that that is what makes a lot of young artists especially justin bieber one direction harry styles these are these

are all people well i guess one direction One Direction is Harry Styles, right? Isn't Harry Styles from One Direction? He was a part of One Direction. I don't know anything about this sort of stuff. Yeah, that was years ago. Was it high school? I don't remember. Who were you a stan of when you were young?

I don't know if I was ever a stan of anything. I think I was kind of... I liked Baker when I was younger. What about you, Mion? We're going to get back to that in a second. No, I didn't have one. That's a lie. No, it's actually.

No one? No, no one. You didn't like, there was no artist that you were like, man. Oh, music. I wish that would be mine. I said Baker. Music or video gaming. You didn't have like a favorite video game player, e-sports guy?

Not really. Like I could say there's like a team I liked. Who'd you like? For e-sports? Like SKT? Yeah. But that's just like, you know, there wasn't like ever a specific player that I'd follow

and be like, oh my God, he's the coolest person ever. I have no idea what that means. What's SKT? What is that? That's kind of crazy. Is it weird that I don't know that, Marsh? One of the best league teams ever. Okay.

Oh, I don't watch any League of Legends. Worlds is happening right now in San Francisco and I don't know anything. Oh, SKT is also a phone company in Korea. That's crazy. One of the major phone companies. But also unsurprising. Yeah, that company also would sponsor one of our big wooden roller coasters at our Korean theme park. But you lived in...

Okay, so you lived in Korea. Mm-hmm. Really long time. How was that? It was great. Mm-hmm. Really long time. What was, how was that? It was great. I loved it. And it made going back to the States really difficult. I think I lived there for an accumulative 15.

God damn, that's a long ass time. Maybe 16. Can you speak Korean? No. Come on. Okay, you know what had happened to me though? I was born there. I was raised there until I was six.

Then went to the States. So I spoke Korean when I was six years old. I did really, there's, like, videos of me playing, like, hide and seek, and I'm speaking, like, fluent Korean. I'm like, wow, can't believe that's me. And then I went to the States, and I moved to, like, Colorado. I was the only, like, somewhat Asian person there at my school. And then there was, like, a lot of micro macro aggressions you know like for being even a little

bit um different so I was like okay maybe I don't want to be Korean like you know I was just like that's it it's kind of like a lot of it's a lot for me like when you make when they make fun of your like lunch you know I'm like oh this smells kind of weird it's not like a grilled oh damn you were busting out the kimchi i would well seaweed like you know like little cumin rice i was like oh scrumptious it's like kind of weird though because like now i feel like it's so trendy yeah it does make me a little bit resentful because i just remember being like yeah now shit's popping people are like k-pop i love k-pop oh my god you're eating korean food like they almost fetishize it yeah which is another another thing i don't know i feel like korea is like pretty like misrepresented and over glorified sometimes but they do a lot of stuff

right oh we can i'm here for the korea slander i will i will start yeah well i just feel like a lot of i don't know a lot of there's a lot of misogynistic problems in Korea. And also like the current big boss is an incel. Yeah, he really is. I don't know too much about him, but I know it's just not good. Yeah.

Bad. What do you think about Korean politics? Korean politics? Yeah. I don't really keep up with any politics. How was, how was your upbringing normal okay what do you mean by that did you get bullied yeah but who doesn't get bullied kids are mean yeah i'm. Never got bullied. No, whatever. Lame.

No, I'm kidding. No, I'm kidding. I was fucking bullied relentlessly and mercilessly. It was terrible. What happened? Was the, was the one thing that you can remember? Do you ever get like racially charged things or no? I don't have to talk about it.

It was too. Really? I think if anything, I feel like girls are just super petty especially when it comes to like middle school and like puberty and stuff like that school's hard i know it was so hard i would just hide away in my next period if there was like lunch or brunch brunch your school had brunch yeah that's a fancy ass school what the fuck fuck? Is that weird? What was it, like a private school? No. It's like 10 a.m. You know, at 10 a.m.

They give you like a 10, 15 minute break. Where are you from originally? Originally. Yeah. Wait. Who's called that break? You called it brunch? They called it brunch.

That's 15 minutes. That's weird. That's not enough time to brunch. It is. As someone who brunches. No, I'm kidding. That is not enough time to brunch. Grew up in the Bay Area.

Oh, damn. That's why they have brunch. Fancy. That's mimosa time, everybody. They're making little kids drink mimosas at school. That's right. Okay, so you grew up in the Bay Area. That's cool.

I mean, so you just have not left California. Yeah, sucks. Where have you traveled outside of the Bay Area in California that you liked? New York. I want to live in New York one day, eventually, at least for a little bit. Why? Because I want to experience all the seasons. That's the wackest reason.

No, it's not. That's so whack. That's so California. It's an aggressive version of that. because i want to experience all the seasons that's the wackest reason no also i feel like new york is so california is an aggressive version of that it those winters are harsh yes and i'm there for it you know i want to experience the hard stuff too i cannot comprehend that is i've heard this i've heard this from my aunt's sister uh they're taiwanese they came to california uh and and like they lived in california for a very long time right so they she basically grew up here she moved to fucking chicago and i was like what are you doing like why are you moving to chicago she's like i want to experience all the seasons i was like that's stupid is it going that's crazy yeah she loves it she's like oh it's snow i'm like that sucks

especially because i came to california for the exact opposite reason where i was like yo i saw all the seasons and i decided like one is good i get really bad like seasonal depression yeah because if you already experienced it then it's like you kind of want the opposite like that's me like i've experienced all the good weather now i kind of want to experience crazy weather yeah that's just yeah yeah you're rich lows to experience how good it is over here yeah but i do feel like people that grow up in california actually end up loving that shit and i just i mean hey more more good weather for me okay you guys move away okay you go you go live in new york for a little bit i will see how you like it i like new york a lot i like new york too it's fine

i love new york i like cities i hate how wide open la is yeah i'm a city boy i grew up in cities my whole life istanbul ankara and then i came to america i lived in miami and then i went to new jersey and new jersey was like the first time where i was like this is just straight up not a city and i did not like it but it was still college town new brunswick so that doesn't count it was still like it was still walkable right and when i came to los angeles i i was just in awe of the stating a plaza to me is a plaza not like a little circle of like who says plaza it's the american plaza i don't know it's like it's like i was so shocked it's just like a

little small thing with like two lanes of parking and then like a couple stores that aren't even two stories yeah that's why i'm you have to drive everywhere here i miss clean public transportation i you can't get that in america anywhere though you're not gonna get that in any it's so heartbreaking i used to use i mean that's why i don't know how to drive i'm 24 it's because like even when i turned 18 19 i like, there's no point in me learning how to drive because then I have to park when I can just take a taxi for $3 that's already parked in front of my house or take the bus for $1.20 and it's like pretty clean. And I have a cute little subway card that had Snorlax on it because they just, you know, this is in Korea.

Yeah, they have like Korea goes through like phases. You know, they have their phases right now. It's croissant waffles and I don't know what else. But they had a really big Pokemon phase. They had Pokemon subway cards and Pokemon plushies and all the crane machines. Korea is capitalism on overdrive. I know we're not going to talk about politics, but I do feel like South Korean culture is impossible to remove from American capitalist culture. It's true. korean culture is south korean culture is impossible to remove from like uh you know

american capitalist culture where they it's true like being there it was surprising i went back recently after not going for like three years to visit family and it was shocking to see stores that were still there like everything felt so different in a three year span because as soon as a store isn't trendy anymore, as soon as like there's a particular like like all the clothing items change, like drinks will get phased out. Like right now it's Ein Spanners, which is like this coffee with a thick foam on it. I hear it was like a coachman's drink or like the coffee wouldn't spill because it had like the thickest froth at the top. That's like a popular. But like as soon as something's not popular anymore the entire building gets like bought out and changed that's crazy where it happens fast yeah yeah i mean that makes sense there's no

there's no permanence to anything um i okay i have i have more questions specifically directed towards Mi-Young here. Yay! First podcast. How are you feeling so far on the podcast? Good. As your first podcast, all you've been doing is picking up lint from the freaking microphone. Maybe if I had a lint roller and then it wasn't like, Tina's is bothering me right now. I really want to like switch spots with Tina.

We can switch mics. I just think she's like, you're, you're, you're, okay, we can switch. This is, this is a first ever. This is a first ever for your end, ladies and gentlemen. We've never had, we've never had the guests switch spots. Mine is absolutely spotless though. Yeah. No, thank you.

We can switch spots later as well. You can pick these ones as well. You're like a cat. No, I'm not. Have you heard people... She's nervous. She's like bothering me. Have you ever heard people say this?

That you resemble a cat? No, no one's ever said that. They think I resemble more of a... Lizard. A lizard? Lizard person. What is a gaming experience that you felt like you had where people were undermining you because of your gender um this is a woman it's the hot seat that's why you guys

switched over you're in the hot seat oh well i do think there was this one time or maybe like two times now but i i genuinely just like to play games for fun and there was like a moment when I was playing Battleship with Sykuno and I've never played Battleship in my life and I obviously like arranged my pieces to be very like silly like I didn't put any effort into it I thought it made a cute little like circle shape and then i saw like a clip on youtube where like the entire comment section is like roasting me because like i even emphasized in my stream like i don't know how to play i'm just going to play for fun and i had a good time but the comment section was really really mad that i didn't know how to play they're like she's so

dumb how could she not pick it up but i feel like if i did the exact same thing as a guy i wouldn't be getting those comments charitability you feel like uh a lot of the gaming space is more charitable to guys being goofy and having fun than they are to girls because when you're a girl and you are goofing off like you mentioned people immediately assume oh it's because you're a dumb woman yeah it's true you phrased that way better than i ever could it took me like 10 extra sentences you're ridiculous and you're doing it right now you're literally constantly apologizing for the for your commentary when your commentary was perfectly apt it was astute it was great but you are conditioned into apologizing for it it's ridiculous don't do

it i read something that said oftentimes women say like a lot because they're so used to being cut off that they have to use a lot of filler words like like um to let people know that they're still talking so that they don't cut them off i think it's true i cut everybody off unconditionally i do it on accident i i do cut people off a lot i have adhd it's like really hard for me to pay attention to something unless i'm like hyper focused on it and then when i'm hyper focused on it when i'm in the zone then i just you know i just channel everything out it's really bad and then people think i'm an asshole for it well i heard that when people with adhd do that it's just because they also just feel like they're being engaging in the conversation.

They don't mean to, like, cut people off, you know? It just means that they're, like, really paying attention and they want you to pay attention by also, like, contributing your experiences to, like, what they're talking about. So I feel like when people do that, I'm just like, oh, they're excited. Like, I kind of do the same thing, so I don't really think anyone's, like, an asshole for it. What are some upcoming projects you guys are excited about you're playing minecraft you're playing minecraft as well in the tournament oh yeah fcc we're on the same team there you go i'm terrible at minecraft

so bad wait really yes because you're a girl that's why who else is on the team because it's four players right yeah so it's me foolish young nice okay who are you guys going underdogs event so everyone in that event has to have never won before that's kind of that's crazy okay because last time it was all stars and i think it was like winners all return and everybody so this year it's like underdogs that's kind of that's kind of fucked up they're like hey it's awesome though hey lame asses get in there get in the pile chance this means i have way more of a chance than before i don't think it's canon though how does that work for those of you who don't know at home because i totally do i'm big fan watch it all

the time play minecraft every day how how would that work if i didn't know explain it to me like i've never heard or played minecraft you could just tune this all out since you've like you already know that yeah yeah you know i feel like you know what mcc yeah to an extent explain it please no no no tina would be better at it no no you got this no i'll pass we both want you to do it we both both want you to explain it. No. Passing it. Here, I can help you out a little bit.

Okay. Okay. There's an assortment of games, right? Like an assortment. What is it? Like nine or 10? Oh, God. Oh, God.

A good chunk of games. Each game gives you a certain amount of coins. Points. Coins? I said points at the same time. Oh, no. We already cut that out. Cut it out.

Cut it out. Please. I'm articulate. I swear. Yeah, you get points for every game. And then basically the team with the most points at the end wins. So you kind of like the first game has the least amount of points. And then there's like multipliers as the games progress.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So if I don't want to play your worst games first. What are the games? Because Minecraft, if I had only played it like one time and died to lava and then never played it again. If I was like that, which I'm not, of course, I'm cracked. I killed. Yeah.

I killed the ender dragon all the time like in my sleep did i say the name right yeah yeah spoiler alert that's the end of the game and i know how to do it like really good people are always many people are saying like you're so the best at it um anyway but if i wasn't like that um how would you describe the games because it's just you're just kind of like i mean running from creeps going to a village is the sandbox how are the games so the version that you played is like survival like like vanilla survival worlds where there is there could be an end of the game if you wanted to but you could also just build houses and farm if you wanted but like these games are like they take you know, the building blocks of Minecraft,

and then they make, like, mini games out of it. So there's one called, like, Hole in the Wall, where you just have these, like, jelly blocks coming at you, and you just try to fit your character within the holes as it, like, passes. There's literally, like, a game show, like an in-real-life game show that's like that, right, where there's a big platform coming towards you, and you have to, to squeeze into the hole there's that one that's funny they have one that's kind of like fortnight or it's like the the circle like it's br yeah then the circle you have bow and arrow crossbow okay are you crack with that? Are you good? No. I don't. Yeah. I feel like she's lying.

I'm not lying. Well, I don't think she's played this version before. I have not. So we have to study up. Yeah, we do have to practice. We do? We can scrim tonight. We can?

Yeah. We got to practice. Okay, yeah. I'm down. Yeah, so they have like a little battle royale format. They have like games that utilize how well you are at like crafting and building like you try to like remake a build there's just a bunch of stuff like that so okay so you guys are not winning that's what's going

well foolish is good It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Mio's pretty good. Actually, I'm trying to agitate you into getting excited and being like, no, I'm going to freaking do it. I'm going to beat everybody. Well, that's just slander. We would never play to lose. Which team are you guys looking to just absolutely stomp? There's Ray and Ludwig's team. Oh, they're done.

It's over. Okay, there you go we're ramblings well yeah is it like because i always assume like on that team as well yeah i assume that if you're like a known person outside of minecraft you're probably the best in minecraft but i don't but from what i understand jack manifold once told me that that's not the case no it's not like some people get surprised that i'm like some people that don't know anything about minecraft assume that i'm good at it yeah me i am those people yeah i'm not i'm really incredibly surprised it's just because a lot of my friends are minecrafters i'll never forget 100 thieves oh my god love them but jesus they literally said, welcome, Tina Kitten, and put it in Minecraft font.

And I was like, Minecraft? I was like, wait a second. I'm not like, I was like, no, it's fine. Minecrafter, Tina, let's go. It's true. I played it a few times. Do you ever feel like you don't use your voice in valorant or in other competitive games online specifically because people are going to say like oh you're a girl yeah this is something

i've heard a lot from people and it was surprising to me when i first heard it because i love talking i love yapping i'm a big yapper whenever i go on i'm like yo what's up does anybody have a mic let's talk i play anonymously but people still figure out who i am for my voice sometimes which sucks but other than that like i love you know seeing what people are up to unless it's little kids in which case they're the worst specifically why i didn't start playing valorant for a very long time because comms well so i tried to play csgo back in the day i remember i tried to like get on and play with friends and i had never played csgo before i had never used voice before so literally this is my first ever experience i joined the game and i'm like it was just deathmatch 2 wasn't even like a real game

version and then i just go in and then instantly i just start hearing like is that a girl and they feel like literally like A mouth breather I was like I was like And then I just stopped talking Because I was like mortified And then he was all He was just saying like the most like

He was like I don't know Oh my god It just makes me so uncomfortable What was he saying? He was like He was like Oh I'm gonna lick your asshole

Like it just sounded so That's so creepy That's so gross That's so gross It was creepy right but i was like do you have anything like that no i don't talk ever dude but i was so mortified i was also like i don't know i was like maybe 16 or something i was like all right i think i'm never gonna speak in comms again because that was just like it was too much and i also just never played cs go again i was like i'm never touching this game like this was it's crazy full of, like, nasty-ass people.

And then, like, I was like, oh, Valorant's similar to CSGO. So I'm just, you know, not going to use those comms. And I see clips all the time where it still happens. I don't think it's as bad as CSGO, though. Yeah. There's definitely some games, like some competitive shooters, it's just like, it's really bad. I think that the larger the male player base is,

the worse it gets overall. It's hard to deal with. It's hard to combat from a developer perspective, I think. You know, people report, but that only goes so far. And, yeah, these are some of the things i've heard at least from my other friends that uh that see this as like a big hurdle towards uh making it more accessible and open and available for everyone to play what can they do what what would you what would you fix in gaming and i really haven't thought

about it that far like that's kind of a hard problem to solve like because it's just the culture behind it all right and then it's also like some of these people were raised in barns like i don't know they're like true like what it's not it's sometimes it's like not really what you can do with the game if they're like at home they're also saying this stuff you know it's not really what you can do with the game. If they're at home, they're also saying this stuff. It's like you can't make people stop saying bad things. I don't know. I will say Valorant feels a lot more approachable in terms of comms just because there's a lot more women involved.

They're also a lot more humanized too. I think Riot just does a good job at making games that they also want to play let's calm down well wait wait calm down my argument though every time star guardian comes out that skin line i'm in like i i didn't play that game for like a year but star guardian came out literally magical girl skin line i'm in i have no idea what that is but i stay away from mobas i was deeply addicted to mobas when i was in high school really like yeah i played dota like when it first came out so i was like a like i was like a pioneer in the moba space i would say okay because no literally when it first came out i was in high school it was like i guess uh you know what is that it's like 2005 2006 like around then i was eight yeah i'm 31

years old right so i that was when you know i was playing warcraft i loved rts games and and my friends were like yo everybody's playing this thing like this this mod because dota defense of the ancients originated as a uh warcraft 3 mod wait really yeah i didn't know that and league of legends is basically the entire moba system is built off of dota and i think there was another moba game i guess like around the same time but it was a map like it literally was just like a random map all the characters in dota are actually warcraft characters uh with different names and and um and that's how like the tower defense moba started wait that was really informative thanks

hasan yeah and i used to play it all the time and i still remember like i i would just like i tilt in valorant like oh my god that delta is a different demon for me so i i one day in high school i decided i'm never gonna play it again again. Why? It was just ruining my life. It did ruin me in high school. I cannot stop playing. Oh, yeah, same. It ruined me. Speaking of League, Worlds is happening. I don't know anything about League,

and I always shit on League regularly on purpose. It's like a meme in this community. League of Legends, for those of you watching at home. Sykuno is the na commentator yeah this was a relatively controversial subject yes you guys are both friends of psychuno so am i what do you think about it i had some choice words the other day i just i get pretty mad when people first of all five slots, they could make as many as they wanted to. Yeah. Like, that's, like, the illusion of scarcity there. They're like, how dare they give that limited spot?

I'm like, Riot's the one that made it limited. Yeah. And they did it specifically so that everyone watches the main account so their sponsors, so they can, you know, charge whatever they want to the sponsors. And it's also, like, I feel like anybody that's like getting really upset or calling him like does he even play league they're self-reporting i'm like okay have you touched the game in the last like two years like it's like who knows like an og league of legends player that's what i said too i said i said that he's like uh not only a league player that was his

original game even i know this and also he was like a league video maker like he was making video essays about i was watching saikuno in high school that's crazy yeah so the thing is like yes i was like i've i've played league since like god i must have been like 14 or something 10 years so like i was like i've i've known i've been known and like i just feel like, I don't know. Like, yes, they could have given it to, like, other people. And I think, like, maybe they should have, like, you know, you know, maybe, like, recognized a few, like, notable League of Legends creators, right? That are, like, currently doing a lot of League content. Or pros.

Yeah. I think that was a big argument. It's like, oh, why aren't they, like, having pros? They should have pros do this. Like, spectating and commentating but again it's up to right also say sometimes that's not what people want to watch though like sometimes people want to see like a game that they like in the more like um digestible entertaining joke version which is what like again not everybody likes the hyper competitive version

of esports which kind of sounds ridiculous when you say it like that, but some people just like, you know, games for more fun approach. Like me on Gendarmes. Yeah, exactly. But I don't know. Like, I also think it was just smart of them because why? I mean, ideally, you want more people to see your game and more people to get excited about it right and i

would argue that not everybody that watches like you know right now is like really into league like there are a lot of people that watch them because of gta you're opening up into an entirely different market yeah i feel like that's smarter of them but also like maybe a little yeah you know they should also like maybe give a couple slots of pros but all i'm saying is like i get upset when just because somebody else gets an opportunity it doesn't mean that they're the ones that need to be shot like if you were given that opportunity you don't think like oh me i'm taking up somebody else's slot you just think like oh they gave me the chance to do this and i don't he didn't even know that it was going to be announced like that. Right. Like, what do you think? What do you think?

I mean, I disagree with Tina. Me, I actually know me. I was like, no, secretly. She's like, I agree with that.

Should have been a double lift. Literally should have been faker. No, no, no. Are they playing? Actually? I don't even know if they play still or not.

They do. Like, no, no. I meant like, are they playing professionally? Oh, I don't. know if they play still or not uh they do like no no i meant like are they playing professionally oh i don't baker looking up right now it's baker versus deft and then i don't know okay well we are going to end the uh free episode of the podcast here but behind the paywall we're going to get more salacious with it. Also, questions that I need you to think about answers for. Okay.

Okay? That I have lined up for you. What are some content creators that you wanted to meet that you were big fans of beforehand? That's what your Sycuna interaction reminded me of. Or what you said about Sycuna reminded me of. And then, and who would you like to meet in the space that you haven't yet but that's going to be in the paywalled episode if you want to access that you need to go to patreon.com slash fear and that's right patreon.com slash fear and uh what

are you guys uh up to where can people find you shout yourselves out oh i'm tina kitten everywhere young she's like kate cadmina smiley is it are do you have an underscore say your username yeah and your social media and also a potential project that you're doing that's upcoming in this upcoming month that I know you're doing that you haven't mentioned yet. Huh? True. Huh? Huh? Don't haunt us. Stop hawing. Say it right now.

Say it. I, what am I saying? My name? Twitch.tv slash kkatamina. Two Ks. I know. The first one was taken. Oh.

You've been always asking me, why is there k's the first one was taken it's true what is the project that you're you're gonna be doing soon i have a project do you not have a project not really do i we're gonna talk about it on the page yeah okay all right see you on the other side, everybody. Probably. Slurp, slurp. I'm coming. I'm still coming.

Yeah, no, it's like that on every page. Is there, does this book pass the Bechdel test? Yeah, that's the, this episode does pass the Bechdel test. This is great. I don't think so. Let's get these out of the way. this episode does a past event that's great um I don't think so let's get these out of the way it's not a book

for me then