Fear& - 💥MEGA DRAMA💥XQC VS HASAN💥LUDWIG VS KARL JACOBS 💥WILL NEFF IS THE ADULT IN THE ROOM 💥 FEAR&JUICE

Episode Date: October 4, 2022

This week we brought xQc and Hasan to the table to break bread and get to the source of the drama. Ludwig is back as a permanent host of the podcast, Karl is there to instigate and Will is here to make sure we dont derail every topic. Disclaimer: Sorry about the scuffed audio on the front end of the video, we had an audio engineer and editor minimize the damage. Hopefully you all still enjoy todays episode!🎉BONUS CONTENT🍾 🌟PATREON - https://www.patreon.com/FearAnd🎧 AUDIO PLATFORMS - https://linktr.ee/fearand🐥follow our guest!🐤Ludwig: https://twitter.com/LudwigxQc: https://twitter.com/xqcKarl: https://twitter.com/karljacobs🐤follow the boys!🐥Fear&: https://twitter.com/FearAndPodHasan: https://twitter.com/HasanthehunWill: https://twitter.com/TheWillNeffMarche: https://twitter.com/Marche Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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No, we're not doing that. I mean, this man is on fire for the YouTube algo, so, I mean, I gotta admit, I gotta admit, we are tricking him out. We are,

we are slutting you out pretty hard. Don't start biting Slime's tweets and throwing them in your shows. This is the Econoclonic, you're getting double sucked. I don't mind

getting double sucked. Let me intro your podcast for you one time for the one. Go ahead. Welcome to Fear And, for you one time for the one. Welcome to Fear and the only podcast that has the bad title, but amazing viewership. Today we got, well, banter.

Today we got two amazing hosts. Put your hand up. Hassan Piker. I love banters. I love banters. I'm just, my claws are out. I feed on X. He's my claws are out. Yeah. I feed on X. He's an AOE.

He has an AOE passive. Yeah. Okay. Mr. Mr. Fucking mogul company, whatever the fuck it's called now. Off brand. Sorry.

Off brand. Off brand. We have big businessman mogul here, Ludwig. Uh, and, and, uh,

he brought his, uh, new piece of talent. I'm here with XQC. You're forgetting. Will Neff. Will Neff is theQC. You're forgetting Wilnef. Wilnef is the last name because he is the best on this podcast and locks it down. It's a disservice that the Mosfee podcast

is one without him because he had such a joy to it. Who's on that one? I don't know. Let's look it up. Was that you? I think it was because of Austin. Anyway. Sorry to swag jack you too. I got to gotta apologize that offer it um we have a lot to talk we're here to break bread we're here to are we are we gonna break

bread we're here to break bread talk about feelings i i was you're the one who suggested this yeah at first i i joked about it like i jokingly had uh mentioned it you were like very serious about it you were like let's bring xuc on and let's talk uh well i'm i'm pumped i think this is good you know what i what i've noticed is that it felt like there's an era of twitch i'm talking like start to like 2019 where it's like very solo do your own thing be the best at a game grow like that uh and then 2020 is like boom collaboration era and everybody became friends with everybody or at least streamed with everybody maybe faux friends or you could just say miss giffen and it would be good yeah a little bit of miss but also like otv among us all that shit and then now it feels like it's

fractured in the poggers community and everyone's yeah like just like they want to put their head down do their own thing which i think is sad because i see what wl community does and i think that's the dream but the reason why they are able to consistently collaborate is because like one they come from a background that is not so streaming focused their audiences are not so streaming focused and they're not as clicky and also they haven't reached the halcyon days yet what does that word mean for carl like the i know and not not english major bloodway french is my first language okay it's not but it's okay um like the the the glory days like the the best days okay the days that you look back yes i don't think they're like honeymoon phasing a little bit yes

i don't think they're at their like uh drama phase yet which inevitably will happen every fractures where do i think the drama is gonna happen call it out i have no idea what's bruce gonna do bro i'm not i'm not like i'm not closely following enough to know what like the internal riffs look like i I think they're great. They're making good content. I just watch it from afar instead of plotting who's going to be shanking who. But not all the machines either.

Which is even better. And they have outside shit going on too. Kai fucking actually did music. Legit. Not like influencer turned musician who like Kai is, you know, I mean, Kai fucking like actually did music. Like legit. Not like, not like, you know, influencer turned musician type music. I'm talking like you just straight up.

Was it with NBA Youngboy or was it with? I have no idea. I don't want to fuck this up. Hold on. Let's look it up. I thought it was. Let me come right off. I thought it was Ski Mask.

Let's get right into it. You hurt my feelings. How? You hurt our feelings. That? You hurt our feelings. That's true. My feelings too, but I think... What just happened? Did we just get like... No, no, no. I'm saying I'm going back to... Let's talk about the meat of it and not... The meat of it,

I don't care who Kai rapped with, even though Kai's great. What I'm going to say is there's one thing you said that really kind of fucked me up, and it made me beg a question about it. At one point, you said that none of us hang out because we're friends. Wait, I said that? Not verbatim, but you insinuated that we never hang out because we're friends.

Wait, can I cut you off? Yeah, sure. Okay. Before you developed too much of that mindset, I was going to go ahead and say it, right? I spoke about Hasan, right? I spoke about Hasan and how I view him and i immediately i'm like oh man all about will and every time i kind of uh i just go on these tirades what about will right because you're saying i'm a snake and a clout shark but he's fine

i'm okay with everything that's happening we're about to say with everything that's happening. We're back, baby. Sick, dude. The reminder has arrived. 12-year friendship in the poop. What do you mean by that? When you say, like, Hasan only hangs out with people for clout, you're saying then you think of Will, who's his true best friend, and you think it's a genuine relationship? Yeah. And so then it basically

countered every point you said, but you're so angry that you kept going on these points, even though you knew you had the direct counter, which is this man yeah why did you do that then knowing that what you said in your head was wrong at the time yeah because whenever you're stalling downwards like you can't can't start like so this is the follow-up question i wanted to ask i talked to him about this and it begs the question with people like you. Where does Felix the person end and XQC the streamer begin these days?

Do you ever feel like your persona is like colliding so much with your personal life that sometimes you find yourself doing things in your personal life as XQC or things on stream as Felix? I think it's just the computer. Whenever you have the computer, like she will go out of

hand really fast right it's not anything like a persona type of thing obviously like that it's just like um it's like i can be at the computer just like turning demonic like it's not hardest the demonic is an interesting way to see it i see the light in your eyes right at one point i called you a content genius and a lot of people got upset about that. And I was like, no, he is right. And there's something to be said about what you create resonates with a certain audience right now. Yeah.

And you know what you're doing. A lot of what you're doing is like your ability to percolate an audience. And I think you have a hard time throttling that right. One time you verbatim said content over everything. Yeah. Does that stand true to this day or, or will you ever dial it back? Um,

I just, I just gotta, I just gotta love that. It's gonna, I feel like even if I, if I were to lie to you guys, a lot of my songs, like,

yeah, I'll go back. And I feel like anything that'll, it'll happen. And I'll say, I'm like, man, that would be good.

If he went like this, I'll always go for it for it which is like i'm like self-cursed do you ever watch professional wrestling uh i used to not do ever i started like this year i fucking love it so when you're doing these things when you're going on these content moments you can check in with us and be like hey guys i'm playing this up for X reason. What I'm just trying to say is, I think perhaps you don't feel the need to change or examine your behavior and the way that you deal with other content creators because you don't think that they're real humans.

You think that they're content creators. Maybe I project maybe a little bit. Maybe I see myself in them. Yeah, perhaps. And like you have changed for the better in other issues when it comes to like broader concepts, like not tolerating homophobia, you know what I mean? Shit like that. Whereas you don't have that kind of, you don't have that kind of internal, authentic internal change with respect to how you treat other content creators around you and i think that's where the mismatch happens like that's where we're having a a breakdown and dialogue

a question for you has there ever been a moment where a creator did some shit that pissed you the fuck off and it would have been repaired if they sent you a dm and apologize or something um nah never given a fuck not that i don't give a fuck is that whatever they do like i know i can fire back harder than them and then nothing will yeah i don't think anything is going to be able to penetrate in that regard because he's right um uh like xgc has a massive community a lot of stands a lot of diehard support uh over years and years of cultivating said community right so for that reason it's like nothing is going to actually ever penetrate in the same way that like

if he even offhandedly remarks about another content creator they're automatically smaller right like in the way that you would get owned by the el rato shit right back in the chat he will never anymore i mean i wouldn't get owned anymore i've never get owned yeah the El Rato shit, right? Back in the day. Not anymore. I wouldn't get owned anymore. I'd never get owned. People keep saying that, actually. Probably been talking a little too much. I didn't have anything to talk about. No, you have the good mic for a reason.

Do I actually? Yes. We gave him the shit mic. I think Ludwig's in the wrong. What? I'm just glad that... Bro, I'm your number two, Luffy. Chill. Anyway, but I guess what i was trying to say is um you you won't ever see the repercussions in a similar way to like what you do because we talk about how i think this is a principle you probably believe in treat others how you would expect to be treated right you believe in that um not really really yeah that's crazy why yeah explain that digging to that one

well i don't get it i just don't agree with that but what is that in person or on the web i feel like that's like so just overall i just feel like it's like mechanical it's so mechanical that i have i'm gonna say this i have never seen you be rude to anybody in person. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Well, I don't like confrontation. I'm not a big confrontational person in person. Yeah, but it's not non-confrontational.

You're typically quite friendly to people. Yeah, that's true. I guess here's a question. Are you the soft little kitten that bears his claws online, but you're normally the soft, nice guy? Or are you just because you are in person and don't like confrontation hiding back your true thoughts and you're thinking evil things right now yeah like when you go out with people you're like

fuck these man fuck these mother actually sometimes i get mad at myself for giving people too many chances in real life also and i'm like i like this slide a lot but also there's not a lot there's not a lot of input in real life it's just us talking sometimes you're at the club you can also avoid the feedback on the internet you just not look at a dm yeah for example right so in real life it's like slower but on internet shit catches on fire and then things are like so much gets in right and instead of like fighting that and like no I gotta come on I usually. I usually get consumed and I go all in. I have a question.

Yeah. Do you consider yourself an artist? In what sense though? Is what you're making art? I think the way I see it is like it's either all art or like there's no art type of thing. Right. So I guess I see myself as both an artist and a nobody. Follow up. Yeah. Follow up. Okay. Yeah. type of thing right so i guess i guess as both an artist and a nobody yeah follow-up okay yeah if you could make one perfect piece of art what is it what piece of art in in

this space are you making a movie are you making a song are you painting something you're making a game show i'm making the most explosive, disastrous live drama that everybody's like consensual in it. Oh, you did it. And then it reaches like crazy shit. My guy's done it. You've done it already. So you are like a classic instigator.

You like to get a rise out of people. Have you ever gone back and watched like Andy Kaufman's stuff? I don't know who that is. He's a comedian who had a very similar sensibility that he thought the best or highest form of art was agitating people. Okay, I don't want to agitate them. I want it to be more consensual,

something that we're both in it already. I'm not going to be out of the world worrying being like, man, your hat's fucking ugly, man. Why is it so fucking ugly? Chill, bro. Are you be like, man, your hat's fucking ugly, man. Why is it so fucking ugly? Chill, bro. Are you all right, man? It's all good.

100 things hats on sale now. On sale for a reason, bro. Damn. Okay, well. Does that make sense, though, or not? Here's a question, though. With what I said earlier with the wrestling take, right? Yeah.

If you're never getting like the consent of people to enter into firebrand drama. Yeah. Which I don't think many people would want to enter. How can you make something like in that drama space that people on the other half of that want to entertain? Because typically- Because they're bad at it.

Can you explain the consent? What do you mean by you explain the consent? What do you mean by that? I don't know, do you think the consent? Yeah. Well, it's like, you're already partaking in an action that's almost pseudo or directly, how do you say this?

It's like, you're already in something with somebody. But you both know what you're getting into. Yeah, a topic is already on hand. They're already in something, like in Among Us game, we're already in something with somebody. You both know what you're getting into. A topic is already on hand. They're already in something. Like an Among Us game, we're already in it. So drama related to that is not like, I'm instigating it. I'm not going to have it work. It's some dumb shit.

So like you guys, this fight that's happened was consensual. I think that someone like myself can absolutely take it. And I think you kind of understand that. Even though I do personally feel upset about the way that what I considered our friendship to be has turned into this disastrous thing, I am one of the very few people who also has a large enough community that when you are saying you're a snake, you're a clout shark all the shit um it doesn't really i i it's nothing i haven't heard before half the time you're literally repeating things that people on reddit are saying no matter how ridiculous they are so i can still

take it so that's understandable to a certain degree i can tank it but many people can't especially smaller content creators can't yeah even. Even if they call you out. And I think you understand that because you're like, well, you know, if someone stoops low, I got to stoop low as well. And I got to fight back. I said lower. I'll stoop lower. That's what I'm saying.

But like, but then you also understand the consequences of actions like that. We go low, we go lower. Michelle Obama said that. But yeah, but you also understand the consequences of that because you have apologized publicly in certain instances. Can I ask you? Yeah, when things get really out of hand. I want to say one more thing about what you said. Like I always say,

I think mixing size in this is really hard because I understand that now it's like that. But this has been something like... It's like doubling down on being wrong. I'm like quadrupling down on being wrong. It's nothing that I've done because I have more power, but bigger these days,

I've always done shit like this, right? I was like the known, but back in the New Watch days, I was in something called pro talk, right? Only pros could talk. And I was just waiting for the day that I could be in there just to talk shit to people

that are bigger than me, right? And the day I got in, I just started saying some shit. And I made drama that was so bad, I'd get kicked out. And then the guy who owned the Discord would re-invite me when things would get stale and boring. And I would fucking sit up again, right? And I was like a nobody. I was like 200 viewer Andy, whatever.

I was trashing these like big, like thousand, like big guys, right? And I just found fun in that. I just think it's fun. Do you think that's part of your identity as a competitor? As a person? Well, one of the most famous athletes of all time is Reggie Miller. Right.

And I don't know if you've ever heard of Reggie Miller, but his gift as a basketball player was he would destroy the mental of the people around him. He's, he's famous for beating my team, the New York Knicks by basically just picking them apart and getting our point guard, like punch him in the head and get ejected. And so like, that was his gift. When did you start like wanting to become a shit talker and a firebrand? Like, it's always been like that since you were like a child,

I've been like eight years old and halo almost. Uh, really? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We used to, my brother used to set up a camera, like a hidden camera, not like a fake one, an actual one back in the days. He used to film me talking shit on Halo when I was like 10 years old. To leave to your parents? I think this speaks to his success in the space as well because there are a lot of people in the gaming space that behave in the exact same capacity where they're like,

I'm just a troll. Yeah. Because you can be completely removed from the consequences of your actions you don't ever have to think about anyone in your call of duty lobby as a real human being you're just like blasting off carl is shaking his head because he's like yeah me too man i'm yeah i've been in those lobbies when i played with carl valer for the first time and you were relentless. Yeah, he was. He is gamer first. His first language is gamer. So toxic.

Yeah, it's pretty funny. No slurs. No slurs to be clear, but wildly toxic. Is this real? That's actually not a bit. I'm the worst human on the planet when it comes to that. Really? Wait, I did not know that.

No, yeah. That's so funny. He's not kidding. It was funny, but it was like, because he's such a sweet person, but then the other person in the game is not a human to him. I will admit that I am like a don't fire till fired upon. Yes.

Oh, yeah. But once someone opens up that all chat, I'm saying wild shit. If it's like a British person, you know what I'm saying? Carl's around to all chatting. Valorant. Valorant, we wrote, Valorant, we were playing,

someone wrote force forfeit. Like someone wrote all chat FF after winning four wins. I muted myself. I didn't want him to hear it because I can't like actually get across that message across to him eloquently. But on my stream,

I was just straight up like, I would find your IP address. I would consensually, I would consensually fuck your mom and make sure that your mom and dad are divorced and then your dad would go into a deep depression and lose the house and would no longer be able to have a job

and pay the mortgage. But I always wait till the other party in. Yes. I definitely do. Someone needs to fire back first. I don't. See, I disagree with all the things on that, okay? I think people are losing their minds

when I think they can only be toxic verbally. But I think you can do toxic fucking gameplay or not or not like of it Just just you can you can start something by just playing the game a certain way come okay? Yeah, like yeah, like if you're In your first camp okay, and your bot lane comes in and steals your red like that that's fucking annoying you like you're a fucking annoying. You're a cut lord. And he's going to say, oh, wow, you're talking shit. You started. No, I didn't.

Would you consider that something that would entice you to be toxic? Is it that they do an action in-game that's toxic? Will Lee. He calls it depression. He's going to go fucking...

He's not going to have a reasonable taste. So you're not firing back on words only? No. There's some things you can do that can make it work. A hundred an all-play question for everybody okay okay we've all established is that a seen it term yeah we've all established that we're unbelievably toxic when it comes to video games yes but this is this is a quality that is manifested ubiquitously, right? This is kids, young adults, men, women, all across the spectrum

have this capacity to be toxic on the internet. But we've seen in all of us, in person, we're like obnoxiously decent people, right? Do you think that our toxicity on the internet... Ludwig is right there. I don't know about that. To my left. Ratone. Do you think our toxicity on the internet

is a manifestation of us suppressing our natural impulses as a symptom of polite society? He's saying we should be more primal and duke it out. I think it's just fun, dude. It is just fun. Yeah, I don't say this that way. I feel like real life internet and being online is so different, right,

that you can't compare like your human thing or whatever you do when you're in prison to whatever you're in the game what if what happens then as the internet

becomes closer akin to real life right in 10 years people are going to be kinder than that do you think so um

yeah I mean if you're getting closer to real life if you had your government name on there nobody would be saying 90% of the shit you're getting closer to real life if you had your government name on there Nobody would be saying 90% of the shit. They're saying I mean even in real life like you could fuck me up. You could one tap me I'll still call your certain names or whatever right?

Carl's actually sneaking. 3v2 we win. 3v2? Only because Carl's there. 2v1 I win. To be clear, it'd be 1v2 and we'd be watching. Because I'd be winning. Wait, 3v2 both of us?

My boy just figured out numbers. Oh, I thought you meant 3v1. Yeah, that's how I knew. Just me. I was like genuinely thinking. Farley on the spot. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, I thought you meant 3v1. Yeah, that's how I said it. Just me. I was like genuinely thinking about it. Farley on the side. Wait, wait, wait. No, no shot.

3v2. It's game over. I solo Will because we start making out. I take him out sexually. They're just fucking, dude. I'm almost done. I'm almost done. I'm going to help in a second.

No shot. No shot. No shot. I can go for hours. Okay. Gay stuff aside. We'll do more of that in the paywall. Can we go back to being homophobic like Peter and I should be?

What I'm saying is that even though I know you can fuck me up, right? You're probably not going to do it, right? Well, on the internet, it's not like I'm not going to talk to you because you have my real name or you have my real life address. Does that make sense? Did you ever play sports? I did solo sports a lot. Okay.

In soccer, that was the only thing I liked doing was fucking with people. Chirping people? Oh, yeah. Like when you just start pinching them and shit. I love chirping on the bench. You were that guy? Oh, I hated that man. There was a guy that threw me to the ground and started kicking me

and told me he was going to put me in a wheelchair. You're Reggie Miller. Yeah, you're Reggie Miller. Dude, I hated that man. There was a guy that threw me to the ground and started kicking me and told me he was going to put me in a wheelchair. You're Reggie Miller. Yeah, you're Reggie Miller. You are. Dude, that is... I hated that guy. It was awesome though. Fucking every time.

I sneezed and wiped my nose on his shoulder. Dude, I don't know what you're getting into. No, I'm literally... I'm getting PTSD flashbacks of high school basketball right now. What you're describing is... Why are you not this monster in the online space? You're Sweetie Carl. Well, we've heard

that he is. No, but... No, no, no. I mean, as a creator. Oh, as a creator. What do you mean? You don't do... You're not sneezing

on people metaphorically. Stuff that XQC does. I will... Or at least he doesn't make the final five. To be fair, I feel like I don't do a lot of competitive stuff.

I feel like he's very more competitive in general. I mean, Among Us is not competitive, dog. In a watch, I just be like that like make just make teams catch on fire by saying doing stuff yeah right so i would like all my stream and i would i would uh make a caricature of a certain team i'd say something about him right and become like a meme and then it would like it would like get into their heads a little bit about that meme right like one day i used to play um something

called selfless with uh the friend of the friends and whatever and sancho was doing it was carrying me hard and i called him um sinatra and the trash cans it was only him good anybody was you got trump levels of name quips it got that it got to their heads. And there was a bunch of stuff like that. I don't know. To be clear, I mean, again, the guy threw me to the ground, started kicking me.

I'm going to put you in a wheelchair. He got the red card. He's out. Now we're playing 11 versus 10. Reggie Miller. You know what I'm saying? Easy. My man won his soccer games.

So you think it's because of lack of competition. There's no reason to treat people like that. When I played GTA RPp i was annoying talking like wait really there's not even a competitive the worst i guess that's not nothing competitive with gtrp with like random people is just a funny issue i'm like we're all competing then and now in that sense then technically if you're all streaming and we're up or playing game you're all you're still competing one way or another to be fair there is like an underlying everybody's competing to be making content in

gtrp right who's the funniest who's the most captivating who's the most enigmatic i guess i don't see it like that yeah i don't want to say that like that but even even as like a goblin of common at that person i feel like this is why i see myself even i don't do that in gta in other games i don't even agree with that right Because I can be on the sidelines and capture the thing properly for my audience. My favorite clip is when you go into the back of the truck and then he starts crashing. I love that shit so much. Just capture anything good. I don't have to be in the center of it to have good content for my viewers.

I want them to have content. I don't want to be in the center of it to have good content for my viewers. I want them to have content. I don't want to be the content all the time. So the content is good. I can make it and win it. It's good for the watch. I'm winning. I wasn't saying you being the content or is your channel. Oh, yeah.

Anyway, going back to looking at as like disposable stepping stones or whatever, with respect to like, you know, competitive gaming or whatever. Yeah, there's an element of anonymity. You don't know who the fucking other person is. That's understandable. But there are people you create content with that you do know that are in the space and they will never. And I think you know this as well. Ludwig mentioned this in my chat, which was misconstrued, where you recognize your place in the space,

and you recognize where other people's places are in the space as well with respect to both the power dynamic and also what they can do back to you. And I think that when you are at the top, which you are, I think that there's a certain responsibility that comes with that power where you shouldn't, like, this is my genuine feeling, you shouldn't use that in a way that harms other people. You can still be toxic, especially to people who can take it,

especially people who are like, you know, there's a brief back and forth with but i do think that like it gets out of hand when it ends up impacting other people in a in a you know sometimes very harmful way i mean that that's tough then because then it's then it's just it's just gonna be losses like losses in all ways if you can think about it i think it's it's a it's a loss of content it's a loss of everything because then i feel like it's this is okay i'm i'm doing about this i think this is not dumb i just disagree with it on a massive level it's like okay but now i have i have a weapon because now i'm bigger right so then i don't do that right so then i kind of wait and do less things until i guess i'm smaller and oh now I'm smaller I have less

I have it's not a weapon anymore fuck it go back to small and fuck it up again I don't see that no no no you misunderstood me

I wasn't saying you should get smaller and then you can do it but if he did get smaller would it be okay if he did it I guess no even in that regard

if he has a thousand viewers is it fine if he does but he doesn't there is well if he has a thousand viewers it's the impact is softened right it's like the difference between someone who is a higher weight class punching at people it's like punching down versus punching up if you're if you're mike tyson and um you know you get into a scuffle you have to carry yourself a certain way knowing full well that if you actually fucking unload on someone you're going to kill them right and you are in this respect the mike

tyson of street fighting right so you have to you have to carry yourself even when it feels unjust and i do this as well there are there are smaller content creators fucking bite at me way more than they do at you there's an entire fucking there is an entire cottage industry of of people who like will hunt down every single thing that i say misconstrue it or look at it in the least charitable way possible and get even up to millions of views pokemon gets this a lot too you can hear some of those criticisms from xuc as well he's repeating them over the past week but um like i like sparrow i when i when i you know whenever i do it it's like kind of like the like the pipeline of like oh i'm gonna say a couple real good things and i'm gonna get the ammo on the ground that people have laid out i'm gonna fucking i'm gonna

put it back in the gun and fucking fire it alting you alting and picking up everything you see in the ground and then using it he's like a kid he's used his kid yeah it is because it just perpetuates memes and stereotypes i don't believe in it either and it sucks and none of those things are like not not a single one of those things are true but now you got 60 000 motherfuckers in there going oh my god he's right this guy is i think it's dumb to say things you don't think are true i think it's just dumb yeah i think it's chill to roast but like if you don't even believe it then it's like why say things you don't think are true. I think it's just dumb. Yeah. I think it's chill to roast, but like, if you don't even believe it, then it's like,

why are you making other people believe this shit? You don't believe. Yeah. That's crazy. That is fucked up. Especially if you have a personal relationship with the other person that you're, I'm a big,

you're involved. Don't ask for permission, but seek forgiveness guy. I think that asking for permission limits you in a lot of ways from things that you want to do. I kid, but it is why sometimes I'm a piece of shit. But I think it's...

I think you conduct yourself very well. I was joking. I think there's areas where I don't and I seek forgiveness rather than asking permission to do something

because I think it's better in the moment. Like if you have to ask permission to do everything you want to fucking do, you're going to be bogged down. It's going to suck. It's going to be slow.

I agree with you. But it is important to do the second... But there's a line that you have set for yourself that you probably will not cross with a lot of people.

But if I did, I would seek forgiveness regardless because I think that's the way to like... There yourself that you probably will not cross with a lot of people but if i did i would seek forgiveness regardless because i think that's the way like there are lines that you will never cross with you would never say something okay i also have a line about things that i'll say i don't believe in it that aren't as bad i feel whenever i also think that i don't believe in what i don't think are true people have said right that are like like half memes half truth whatever that are gonna get explode in his face well i'm not gonna go stupid the lowest possible like since i know you i'm not as low as possible for other people i will right but for you some things that i've repeated are bad they're not disastrous like um i don't know saying like fucking hassan grifter kami that's like

something you say on Reddit, right? But does that make you actually mauled? It doesn't make me actually mauled. It does get really annoying because that is unironically something that people like cut content out of. And you're just validating their feelings. There are people who legitimately believe that because there are so many other content creators who have made videos like this. So there's a difference between you dropping that and like him making like a funny fucking remark when he's next to me you know what i mean when he says like dumb shit like that it's like me saying he's uh racist

or whatever i think the well what's dumb shit that isn't true okay guys yes except that is true i think i think memes are more powerful than uh than than like the backtrack no the backtrack to fix it so like like the pe Payne's meme for Ludwig. That shit sticks. I remember I was in his chat donating $400 to try to get him to play a trailer on stream and then everyone in chat started Pepe Payne-ing and you saw it and you go,

which is very sweet. Zero effect because I will still be the Pepe Payne's guy. But that is not something that you often do either. That's not a lot. Actually, many people don't know this. why do you like me so much that's a good take why do you why do you stop them from hitting me okay this is not a we know that already he respects you and he doesn't other people that's the main point and and we'll get to that in a second but like the pepe pain thing is a great example because everyone always went with like oh the

tier list that's why excuse that's why i saw him like cried about xcc or whatever it was not that a week prior to that i had actually brought this exact same thing up where i saw in certain communities including your chat people were just like fucking shredding me all the time and as a content creator you can very easily just be like dude shut the fuck up you're being ridiculous you guys being ridiculous something that i do all the time that you know because of my own personal principles when people for example say like excuse he's homophobic remember what he did in 2016 i'll be like that's fucking bullshit right because i know that's not true and even if we are on good terms or bad terms doesn't

fucking matter if it's the truth then i'm going to you know address it respond to it um so that is actually something that I had brought up even before the tearless thing where I was like, your community is one where, like, there's a lot of hate that gets farmed. And that turns into legitimate hatred. You might not recognize it as such. You're just thinking, like, it's just a meme.

But that is actually a lot of people out there that, like, are stalkers, psychos, all these other people that are in these communities, like waiting for an opportunity for like someone with a, even if it's fake resentment to pop off so that they can weaponize that, which they did. Okay. Okay.

Okay. I just didn't think it was, it was that far or like some of the meetings are that intense. Like am I, am I incorrect in this? I think that for most people, it's not, I think for hasan

specifically it's magnified in a weird way pokey too yeah but i think you like our special case where like the fucking uh fish farley dog thing like consistently there are people who will attack you for anything that they view as weakness from you and so if they can take xqc and echo a sentiment to make you feel weak they'll do it and i and i don't necessarily think that that fosters new people i think it just reinforces the people who are already no but when there's a lot of drama uh even if it's completely manufactured and even it's bullshit right then your brand is forever tarnished with that because like there are a lot of people who are just not really paying attention because i don't expect

them to obviously everybody has fucking real lives. And they go, oh, that guy, isn't he problematic? Oh, that guy. He's in a lot of controversy all the fucking time. It's like, it doesn't matter. I didn't fucking make it. I didn't manufacture it. But it's still...

Okay, that is a... No, that's a valid one, right? No, no, no, that is a valid one. No, that's a... No, I will stand by that. That is an absolutely valid one, right? Whereas, like i i i will stand by that it's an absolutely valid one right whereas like the house thing or the car thing or the fucking gucci shirt thing or any number any million or tier list thing like these are all things that blow the fuck up in ways that it's

not supposed to what the fuck it would never blow up in any other content creator like you bought a fucking mclaren right you can't even drive it yeah that's gigachad easy yeah easy clap everyone's like gigachad easy clap i buy a fucking porsche which is like well within my uh range of purchase right it's like a reasonable car for me to be able to purchase everyone's like dude fuck this guy now that's not your fault right and you're not even leaning into that but you recognize that that that's in the space same with pokey no matter what he does or he no matter what Pokey does, people are going to try to fucking twist it in a way because there's like a viable cottage industry of hatred.

Can I say something controversial? I think it's partially okay to say all those things about streamers because we are all multimillionaires. I think it's fine to make fun of multimillionaires. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. There's a line. Sometimes it gets disagree i don't disagree there's a

line sometimes it gets past because yes there's a line if you know that line has been crossed many times in ways that i can't even i'm specifically referring to the things that you brought up of poor scoochie shirt things like that oh yeah that is fine but i don't prefer a fact that this was way over like a like a stalker or something that had a bad intention to go past the computer right or even met or too that go past the computer, right? Or even, or too hard going to the computer,

you know what I'm saying, like the extremes, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then I would never do that. Yes. Because I agree sometimes I do that. Let's say this room,

let's say this room, right? And this room is just, there's a fire in here, right? Right? And basically, what I'm saying is that whenever you're bantering somebody

or like attacking them like in small, I know for a fact there's a fire in here and I can open the door a little bit right so that something like that right that's what I'm doing I'm opening the door a little bit because I know there's a fucking fire in here and there's a bunch of people that see things this way I'm like hey guys remember this does that make sense it's like the nine tails gate with Naruto and you're opening it a little bit for a little bit of chakra.

Yeah. But if I knew it was that bad and that dark, then I wouldn't push those boundaries. Do you think you have a good gauge? Do you think you know how widely the door can be opened? It's decent. It's not fantastic. Sometimes I make mistakes,

but I think it's decent. Do you think you try to improve it if you know it's bad at certain times? I generally do. You do? Yeah. I think a good example is that was really bad. That was really bad okay the other day okay i opened up i was like fucking 20 hours into my stream i opened up fucking pokey streams i was just doing it and

it's just her chair okay and then i fucking sniff her chair okay and i was like oh my god that is so fucking dumb and i'm and i'm like i'm, I get it that she sees things a certain way. She's not going to get mad at me, right? Sent her a DM. You sent her a DM to apologize? Yes. Oh. And then I was like, you know what?

That was really fucking dumb. If you want to do anything from this point on, I mean, you deserve to do whatever you want, right? You can get mad at me publicly. You can have whatever stance, right? I did something wrong in a story. It was going to fuck up. Because I know for a fact that in my gauge of knowing how things are on the internet i know some people are really

fucking weird and do really weird shit right like um i don't i don't want big things to be but you know like fucking like like like tributes or some shit right right disgusting shit yes right and even though she like home tribute it's a real thing it's a real thing almost every female creator deals with it yeah so even if it's like, my gator's really bad, I'm like, okay, that was a good meme kind of thing, right, because I know her, and I kind of know people on a personal level. The meme would have been great two months ago.

Yeah, and then I'm like, fuck, wait. Hilarious even. People are like this, but they bring it way past the screen and they go fucking crazy about it. I'm like, wait, that was slightly irresponsible. So I had to reach out. So I do improve on my meter and whenever things do go bad, I think I do better nowadays.

Let's keep trying. Still bad though. So you apologize for that. Is there anything in the drama with Hassan and that whole situation you think you should have apologized for on hindsight that you didn't? I went way too hard on small stuff did i do that proportion yes okay i think you could agree to that you guys fought for two hours about 38 seconds okay yes that that was the second part of it the first part of it we were having a less productive and yet more fun overall conversation about like you know that was more so content before the serious stuff I don't mind that

yeah I don't mind that I don't mind that I don't mind the the other shit where we're like talking about wait wait what are you apologizing for that's not that thing what where do you think you went too hard I think he's saying he went too far with the the like using clips of destiny was feeding him that would like

already clipped out of fucking context look at it it was in your fucking ear he was like a little finger yes yes yeah he was like getting clips like bringing up like gusano and she was just so stupid uh don't say it please and okay my mother's cracker okay. So my podcast is on YouTube. I can say whatever the fuck I want. It's on YouTube and it becomes all right. Welcome, right? Welcome. No, Cracker is not all right.

It's such a pleasure to have you here. No, it's honestly kind of alt-right for him to say that saying Cracker is all right. Yeah, literally. Can we all go around and say our favorite slur on YouTube? But that was deliberate. That was, you know, you were weaponizing whatever you could at that moment. You were angry or frustrated. That definitely did go far.

Then way beyond us having a conversation about like me thinking you're a bad friend and, uh, you not like reaching out to people ahead of time for it. Or you saying that, like that goes way beyond the pale, like the way I unloaded into you for that, like that stuff is,

is understandable. We can have a back and forth on that shit, even though people will weaponize that, even though people will weaponize that and like use that against me and like do insane shit, which they always do. Um, the,

the, but yes, going beyond that and being like, you did not react appropriately to Adrian. That one, not even Adrian Ali, sorry. Train Rex is insane tweet right which i still

maintain yeah can we insane so can we then little insider baseball what is the dream scenario like for both of you because you like instigating you like drama scenario is that whenever things get really fucking uh things get heated okay and like he's getting fed bad information reacts really badly i do the same then we go offline We don't send the M's and he talks offline chat Line chat he's something we do it on his fucking old account and we go balls mode, right? That wasn't a Which by the way that was not a sub tweet

I Directly called you out the reason why I did it on my alt account is because my main account is followed by AOC and Senators and shit. They don't know who the fuck you are or any of that stuff. Dude, what? So damn. AOC loves a stream. I think that's still in the context, right? We can save it with a half therapy content-driven reconnection.

Yeah, that part is an understandable conversation that we can have, yes. Okay, good. Even though I do think that it's... The thing that went wrong, and I still see you as a peer that we can work things out in that way. Is that good? Can you admit one more thing? Yeah.

You put the shit campers in an impossible situation. Yes. Okay. But none of the whole series of events was intentional but the result is so bad and then it becomes irrelevant i totally get that but you've never kind of admitted that like we knew what was going on yes but we're not gonna fucking out you yes so you know we didn't even know first. At first you guys didn't know. I didn't know. I knew pretty early. But there was a lot of things at the same

time. Right. And I didn't vocalize that well at all. I thought it was I suspect that it was family shit because I saw that was already really bad. I suspected it was family shit, which is why I was like, I literally said in that tweet very specifically like there's probably something more going on behind the scenes that we don't

know about. But even then I think it's like still fucked up next time. Cause I, I love cutie Cinderella. We're having an affair. Um, what the, can we talk about that?

I'm just, I'm just, okay. Great. Cutie's one of my favorite people in the world. I think we all get like a little talk about tribalist, right? I get a little tribalist about cutie because I know my favorite people in the world i think we all get like a little talking about tribalist right i get a little tribalist about cutie because i've known her for so long she's so wonderful and and they're in a relationship the stress on a woman who is already so stressed

she's like a human knot and that immediately like wanted me to just i just wanted you so bad to be like hey guys i can't go to shit camp for other reasons. And that's all you had to say. Okay, fine, yeah, then, well,

I'll tell you then, it's not an excuse, it's an explanation of how it happened in my head, which most thoughts when I go that deep are dog shit.

I'm telling you that it's dog shit, I'm not telling you, well, it's like this because like that, and I'm not gonna, I'm not giving you

excuse, you're telling us your reason that led you to make a dog shit decision. I'm telling you my flawed, I'm not gonna like it you're not giving your reason that led you to i'm telling you my flawed i'm not giving my reasoning i'm telling my flawed reasoning yeah i kind of like horseshoed myself right when something becomes so bad yeah go to the other side the thing is the thing is we get it like yeah but even then even then so so when you do get it and you did it i can like apologize or whatever, right? I can kind of fix it.

And I was like, oh man, I did so fucked up and I ignored it all so much that now I don't even want like, that bird is so burned. I don't even want to see the fire burning. I just got a double down. So now I'm ignoring them. Does that make sense? Yeah. He lit the match like gasoline.

He's like, oh fuck, I can't go in there. I have to apologize. But now my sense? Yeah. He lit the match like gasoline. He's like, oh, fuck, I can't go in there. But now my apologies are not going to be good enough because I'm fucking dumb that like, I better not apologize, make them feel bad for it.

No, that's way worse. Ignore them. Okay, I'm letting you know that's like so much worse. There's always, he knows.

He's acknowledged that. He's letting us know. Okay, and we're telling you that there's always an exit ramp. You, and we're telling you that there's always an exit ramp. You might not feel like it, but there's always an exit ramp. And, like, I can perfectly map it out for you. Obviously, the best possible scenario is, like, you immediately inform QD ahead of time.

I got family stuff going on. Please don't mention it. So that's exit ramp number one, right? That didn't happen. Let's say you double down, you burn it down, right? You're like, well, you know, I didn't do anything wrong there or whatever. The second exit ramp would still be, again, reaching out to QT or reaching out to even Ludwig by way of QT

or reaching out to QT directly or anyone else to be like, I fucked up and I doubled down. It's all good. Something that you do already, like you just mentioned that you did with Pokey, you could do even no matter how fucking nuclear the situation is because the people that you're dealing with are not bystanders in a video game they're real human beings and they also are themselves flawed so they understand deep down inside that you can be flawed as well you're also a big content creator you have a lot of clout you

have a big audience that is going to be one of the reasons why people would treat you with kiddie gloves. That's the truth. And you understand that. You know that. Yeah. I mean, am I wrong? The reason, okay, you're right. You're right.

Right. But I don't want to be treated that way. Right. Kind of thing. And I'm going to say deliberately. I will deliberately make them feel bad for it. Yeah, that's why I do that. I do that.

I think you are someone who very instantly gets over the things that you say or do or are said or done to you. Yeah, the next day. The next day you've forgotten about it and that's not how everyone operates. And you're also okay operating in a universe where you have burned bridges, but you are also at the same time reaping the benefit that every single person gives you one more chance than they should because of how large of a creator you are. Really?

You reap the, yes, I think so. I think everyone will give you at least one more chance than they would have if you were someone who was, and that's part of the problem is like, we know you, the audience doesn't know like why you're making these decisions.

We do. And that's even more infuriating. Yeah. When we're like, oh my God, why is he coupling down? We know he doesn't even believe this shit. And you are so powerful at being able to gaslight so many fucking kids that like they literally were defending you on the internet for being like a bad person which you yourself have recognized like they were like nah he's bad it's fine that he's bad you guys are fucking idiots for even inviting him i was like losing

my fucking mind i'm like it's not even about me at that point it's someone that i care about and i and i know that no one else is going to say anything and i would have 100 had this conversation with you in private if you were susceptible to that sort of thing at that stage. I was at that layer four at that point, which is – I was trying to reach out to you in private. Nothing is happening. I don't even know what you're talking about. Death con four.

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today on fear and we before we wrap have we made any tips towards friendship today honestly oh wait I got a legitimate so something yeah i

knew that you knew that i didn't know hasan saw things the way i like when people see that way where like okay yeah we can make like a half content half therapy like fun banter like we're still kind of mauled and i kind of kind of hate you still and kind of hate me a little bit right but we kind of snowballed and we can still find a small middle ground and grow from that. You are excited at the prospect of an equal partner in the field of drama. Yeah. I mean, look, I can. Well, that still has like a human component behind it, though, which we can talk about.

But we'll dive in. But that's something he got out of this. What did you get out of this, Hasan, if anything? I mean, I guess I got a similar perspective that we were of the same mindset that when we were debating our friendship which was like a a fuck up in many ways for a lot of people that was still drama but had lower stakes than like something that ends up becoming like a genuine issue that strikes at the heart of what I believe in, you know what I mean? Like minimizing sexual assault victims.

Will, what about you? Well, this has only reaffirmed something that I believe in profoundly is that communication and honesty is at the core of so many things. No, he was going to be like, streamers are dog shit people. That's what I believe in.

Yeah, I don't know. I also feel like sometimes, this is kind of crazy, but I'll just say it. Sometimes some people are just not compatible. Yeah. Literally. Sometimes you're going to try to work it out and do certain things and set aside your things to put more place for them. It just doesn't work out're going to try to work it out and do certain things and, and set aside your,

your things to put more place for them. It just doesn't work out. It happens. That's it. True. I don't see it. Something like that. Generally.

He does see you like that. Do you? No, I think, no, I think that, uh, look,

I mean, we were friends for a while. Yeah, but it's possible to become an incompatible. That's no, I agree. I think that it's falling out. an incompatible. That's no, I agree. I think that it's falling out. It,

it happened over a very long period of time. And, uh, and you know, there's still a lot of things that are unaddressed, but, uh, I mean,

there was a reason for it in the beginning. You know what I mean? I don't think it was because like, I don't think it was because of numbers or anything like that. Um, there is, uh, a,

a XQC off camera that I think that we all, you know, originally saw and took a liking to. A little sweetie. You are a little sweetie. Which is crazy. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. One of the first times I hung out with you, I don't even know if you'll remember this,

was ShitCon, the original. Oh, shit. And you would add, like, you chugged, like, your first two beers. Yeah. And you hadn't slept in, like, two days. And I don't even know if you remember this was shit con the original and you would add like you chugged like your first two beers and you hadn't slept in like two days and i don't even know if you remember this you had me tuck you in on the couch i don't remember because you were so sleepy you're like i'm just gonna take a nap and i talked to you and you're like thanks dude i was like do you need anything you're like can i have a water and i give you water water. You're like, good meeting you will. And then you sat for like six hours. Oh shit, con. Yeah.

Oh yeah. One thing I will call you out on specifically on this though, it's time you fucking get your comeuppance. Yeah, you're a piece of shit. Wow. Okay.

You are being a little cowardly here because what XQC, who XQC is, who Felix is in private and in, you know,

personal circles is nowhere near as impactful as who XQC is on camera. That is the part that is like significantly more important with the way that you conduct yourself around other content creators in the space. And with even people that you would consider to have a personal relationship with. I don't think you've called that out enough by just saying like, he's just a sweetie because you and I have had a conversation before where we talked about like racist content creators,

like where we are in agreement that even if someone is fucking racist in private, like when they're not racist in public, you've softened that damage a lot because that is how it comes. Did you guys hang out with racists all the time? No, but I'm saying, you guys hang out with meists all the time? No. But I'm saying... You guys hang out with me.

He is a YouTuber, so there is that. But the argument there is basically, not that we're hanging out with racists, but even if a content creator, even if you've eliminated their... Can I rephrase? Because you're taking a while here. Can I get you?

Let me get you. Let me get you. Because we talked about this. I remember this. Who the fuck do you think you are? Well, he's asking me to address it i thought i'd get there you just cut you off for it i'm saying that some being not racist on camera just because it would immediately de-platform you it is is an overall good even if behind closed doors you are racist yeah and i that's why when we come back with

the premium content slur to your list it's gonna be i'll tell you i'll tell you what i the things i don't like about felix and the things that i do think that he needs to i desperately have to pee carl wait carl needs to say his thoughts he didn't the whole thing was carl you go pee go pee go pee go pee you go pee while you carl was the middle ground guy who was supposed to say what he thought because he didn't know any of this. First of all, I want to make an apology as well because I haven't been innocent in this whole situation. What? Cutie DM'd me and asked me if I wanted to go to shit camp and I forgot to respond at all. Oh, forgot my ass, bro.

Nobody cares about that. Nobody cares. Ignorable is not bad. God damn it, Carl. Okay. First of all all you think that's true When you compare ignore somebody to tell them you're gonna show up and you don't So you're saying It's like you're not even close to me. You'll never get on my fucking level.

You don't know the things I've done. All right, we'll be back in the Primo. Fair and just, when it comes down to some of these topics, like even when the Andrew Titcher was popping off, I was still wide against his takes when everybody's shit on me relentlessly for being for being a pro woman or Anti dog shit and such a mistake whatever and you will say oh, it's not true people flipped on me twice

Everyone's against me on your day knows times What yeah, you know, you know who was against you your community? I know I know that's what That's what we're saying. So it was a learning curve, right? Maybe they flipped because the internet flipped or they flipped because they failed. It doesn't matter. They kind of flipped to the right side.

And I'm thankful for that, right? But still, I feel like I'm just in those ways that would give me enough leeway to make decent jokes about it. I just choose not to.