Fear& - Mike Majlak, QTCinderella, Hasan & Will Have A Serious Conversation.. (Deepfakes, CryptoZoo & More)

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

This week we got Big Mike on the podcast to discuss everything from politics, cryptozoo, logan paul, the legality of deepfakes and much more. We decided not to paywall any of the conversation since the topics got pretty heavy and we felt it was important to have this conversation be available to as many people as possible. So enjoy this over 2hr long banger and see what sort of content you can typically find in our premium episodes over on Patreon. Cheers, love you guys 🖤 🎉BONUS CONTENT🍾 🌟PATREON - https://www.patreon.com/FearAnd🎧 AUDIO PLATFORMS - https://linktr.ee/fearand♥ follow our guests! ♥Mike - https://twitter.com/mikemajlakQT - https://twitter.com/qtcinderella✰ follow the boys! ✰Hasan: https://twitter.com/HasanthehunWill: https://twitter.com/TheWillNeffMarche: https://twitter.com/MarcheFear&: https://twitter.com/FearAndPod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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all the no xlr issues either wait we're we're probably going to switch around a little bit when cutie gets here i don't think we'll be you'll probably get over there and then cutie will come here we'll figure it out but um dude you're a hard man to fucking get on this podcast dude what the hell dude i wanted to come on the show like i've had like i've had people that are escaping vladimir putin okay who have like been in russian prison true on this podcast and they were easier to get a hold of than you because you you're like dude let's let's do a show let's do it at like nine in the morning like he loves doing these early like i would always go on about trains podcast and train does his podcast at like

3 a.m pacific time and you hit me up dude and you're like yo can you come on my show at like nine in the morning ten in the morning hey i love how he's like i work it's like this this is part of the work i know but like i work on top of this too like i i do this and then i stream so like i usually i usually love to do it at like first of first of all, I never said nine. I know your ass was not up at nine, okay? You'd be going to sleep at nine after one of your fucking Grammys parties. Bro, I'm so old. Dude, honestly, I don't know how I'm still. This guy literally was like, bro, Grammys weekend?

You want me to come in at 11? No shot. It's a good networking weekend, bro. You said that. You said those words. And I feel like, I think I said it before the camera was rolling, so you don't have proof of it, but, like. I've text messaged. you texted it to me.

You did, bro. You did. It's just a big weekend. A lot of people are in town. It's like a good, like, networking and, like, industry weekend. Weird parties, bro. Like, weird goings on. Really?

Like, dude, I was at this chain smokers event on Friday night. There you go. That would be weird and uh dude like the the like collaboration or like concoction of people at this event was like so odd like it was offset from the migos yeah thank you all right yep for for clarifying he goes Rigos rap group. Robert, Robert Kraft. What? The fuck? Lana Rhodes.

Okay, that is weird. like, the concoction of people running around that party within close proximity to each other was like, strange.

What are they, all big fans of Chainsmokers? Robert, Robert Kraft loves Chainsmokers. When I would get my massages, I'd just pipe up Chainsmokers and relax's is that a James Smoker song

I don't even fucking know you did do do do do like you literally did that could have been that could have been kumbaya

I don't know where you're going with that I think you just did the Mentos freshness theme that's what that's Calvin Harris fuck

oh that was oh it was summer is that what that was I don't fucking I don't fucking know. I don't fucking know. I don't fucking know. I watched the copyright.

Watch the copyright. I used to listen to a lot of music. I don't listen to any music anymore. I don't have time. Because you always work. Yeah, exactly. Bro, you actually, I want to commend you on that right off the bat, dude. Like, you are a worker.

You are always either streaming, podcasting, tweeting, trying to fix some sort of political, you know, goings on. There's a lot going on, dude. I haven't fixed shit. Bro, there was a, when did this come out? Just for context. Bro, there was a hot air balloon. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That was sent, oh, sorry. That went off course. Yeah, that wasn't that big of a deal. I think the Pentagon made a bigger deal out of it to do propaganda, to be like, look at China, they're fucking coming after us. Well, what do you...

Okay, here's the thing. That's what I think. Because they said, obviously, it was a... To be honest... A weather balloon that went... What? We need some propaganda. I mean, dude, just like...

But, no, Hasan, think about this for a second. It was a weather balloon that went off course, a surveillance balloon that went off course. That's the equivalent of me, hey, I'm on my way to your podcast, but I accidentally took a wrong tournament in Arkansas. Like, bro, it's not possible. What course was it on

that it ended up over our nuclear base in Montana, bro? If you... First of all balloons have very limited control on on what kind of flight out of little girl's hands yeah exactly this is a fucking floating surveillance lab over our nuclear facility that's what i'm saying so what i'm about to tell you is probably going to freak you out way for uh way more than this but like china already is spying on us in way better ways than a fucking gigantic balloon there well tick tock yeah that's one that's more that's more of on a personal basis

like bro tick tock tick tock is so powerful as far as like all the information they have of you that like they know what you want before you know it okay so like if they want it they're like hey hey big mike let's let's take a look at hey big mike let's see if uh oh okay um he thought about fucking eating chocolate on thursday that means that he's also interested in this this is like they have shit that you don't even fucking know about yourself but beyond that um there are uh conventional surveillance techniques that all big superpowers use on one another

that they could easily get away with that doesn't like, you know, if you want to do espionage, if you want to do real surveillance, you don't want everybody to fucking know. Correct. Usually, we use balloons as well. America uses balloons as well for surveillance every now and then. Oftentimes over

a field of war or something. Never really usually unlike civilians um and as far as like uh chinese technology goes they do have some uh zeppelins and balloons and the like just like we do this is like experimental tech because they're they can stay afloat for a way longer time with no refueling capability so like it's fine um they have satellites the thing about the satellites the thing about the satellites is they don't because of their distance they're not able to produce from an angle angle standpoint the same type of yeah uh intel back to the satellite secondly but they have a balloon at that height can pick up things like heat heat

signatures from from silos it could pick up all kinds of things that a satellite cannot pick up so so well i understand that it's not just satellites though i was i was i was gonna say like one they have satellites two they can and the united states government utilizes all the time they use cessnas a lot of time that's just what they do they just like fucking put a cessna strap the camera underneath it do a quick fly by boom boom you're out like a like a a hired set contracted cessna through a shadow like through like a yeah or even lower altitude in comparison to the balloon the balloon is at 60,000 to 90,000 lower altitude private jet you know you put a fucking camera under the private jet who the fuck's gonna know some chinese billionaire's gonna be flying over what are

you gonna do you don't know that you can't because like it's on the right flight path let's say you know all of a sudden boom boom boom it's uh they they snap whatever the fuck pictures they want to snap so they have a lot of capabilities beyond if they want to do espionage and the reality is uh wait hold on i think the food is here for you march um sorry uh doors open i think i saw amber rose in front of your house i'm not kidding dude she may still be out there there was like a lincoln dude if you look i think she might thank you yeah she might. If Amber Rose is in front of the house, bring her in. I want her input

on the Chinese water balloon. It would be way spicier than his. Amber Rose's opinion? I'm telling you, she's out front, dude. I saw her. Global tensions are at the point that there is only one way

to move forward, and that is that we get a new Rocky movie where Creed fights a Chinese boxer. Like Rocky 4. I could see, I can see something like that solving the problems. I,

for sure. There was, I think the cold war ended because of Rocky four. That's probably what happened. Yeah. I think we came together as people. My, my favorite thing is watching like everyone collectively freak out.

Um, I just, I just think it's interesting, but I think people forget a lot of time that like of course we are we are doing the same shit dude like yeah we're doing way worse i was gonna say i didn't want to say it but like honestly like like they'll come study our our nuclear facilities right like whether it's them or iran or whoever wants to get intel we'll take their facilities offline like we'll literally upload malware into their systems

and be like, yo, you're going down for it. They're getting pretty good at that too. China actually, as far as like China being a threat, I mean, I am definitely what most people would consider a China sympathizer for many different reasons. But most importantly, because I like- You just really like Chinese food? No, I really like high speed rail.

And I think that that can't be a good, a good enough reason. No, I sympathize with, okay. By the way, really quickly, the superpower that we are at,

like people talk about Russia. They're talking about this country, that country, us, China. That is the playing field. That is the only playing field. There's no one else. I'm obviously critical of China. That is the playing field. That is the only playing field. There's no one else in the game.

I'm obviously critical of China, of course. They do a lot of superpower shit that the United States does as well. Maybe not to the same degree, but they're trying. They're trying their best. What I like is that the – I like the concept of the Chinese prosperity. That is a both cultural value and also like a system of governance. Basically. Um, one thing that they do regularly is they'll just have like, there'll be like a billionaire that, uh, sold low quality, uh, baby formula.

Right. And some babies died execution straight up. They're like, Oh, so you like the accountability. I like that. They do implement accountability. Obviously I'm not, I'm not a fan of capital punishment, but there was chaos. You want somewhere between capitalism and capital punishment.

You want a medium between the two. Well, one other good example is, for example, so first of all, the corporations in China are beholden to the government. They work at the behest of the government. In America, our government is beholden to the government they work at the behest of the government in america our government is beholden to corporations and i think that corporations being beholden to the government especially if the government is still maintaining some level of interest in like uplifting the lives

of every citizen evenly as evenly as possible i'm a fan of that because our subsidies are the ones who are fucking funding every part of our agricultural production anyway but we can't get any return on that shit because they can do whatever the fuck they want they can make the price of uh milk as as high as they want dump out the rest of the milk you know what i mean destroy supply eggs too um you're not giving me any insight by the way like i you're a socialist dude i know you're i know where you stand like i'm not sneaking this by you no i know i know all this stuff and by the way like i love the conversation i think it's i think it's a very intriguing conversation one thing i i like is you you do a a very good job of arguing with just with just facts and stats and just conversation yeah i don't like

how we can't talk about stuff without anger nowadays like can we just like talk and i could hear your side you could hear my side and guess what if we leave and we innately or or or strongly disagree with each other who gives a fuck go on with your life i'm gonna go on with my life and that's it like i try to live and let live i try to show this to my audience regularly because like there are a lot of people that are very serious about their uh political positions and i perfectly i understand that and there are of course some kinds of fucking assholes out there that like you don't you don't fuck with that you don't want to be friends with that you know are like kind of bad people i know you hate steven crowder for example he's a great example of this

but like ultimately if we're talking about normies if we're talking about normal individuals like there are going to be a million different things that you guys disagree on and then and yet you can still maintain like a level of of friendship with these people yeah without like immediately assuming that they're like a fucking fascist or some shit right especially because like the way i understand it i think a lot of americans are product or everyone is a product of the systems that they grew up in and all these people especially on the left they're always like oh the system is white supremacist the system is fundamentally like you know right wing or whatever but then they don't recognize that like of course

the motherfuckers that are born and grown into it are going to have those values you know what i mean it's just it takes a while to unlearn that shit. Anyway, this is a nonpolitical podcast. Yeah, sorry. I don't know why I came out swinging like that. We can just that that that balloon, dude, like I really was stressed out by it. I really stuck with you. Yeah, I don't.

I'm a firm believer that like if that was a legitimate threat, first of all, they were tracking it before they were tracking it over Alaska. You know what I mean? They were tracking it from the moment that it fucking, you know, started flying. Uh, so NORAD tracked it from the jump.

I'm a firm believer that if it was a legitimate threat, if it constituted some kind of actual threat, it would have took it out. They would have fucking taken it out over Alaska. What scared you about the balloon? I think, i think like just like growing up you have this and and it is a privilege to to be able to say this growing up in a balloon no no growing up in amer, we have an innate sense of homeland security that exists as a result of our coastlines. And the idea of any foreign superpower having any kind of aircraft or device floating over our homeland is a scary thought. thought and i think it's i think it's a scary thought for for all americans to imagine that that's possible i mean i for me it's just

such a non-story because it's like that can't be possible there's no way i'm with him i like thinking outside the box but but for you guys you guys live live here, and whatever your thoughts are on it, the idea of any other country, that very much feels like an intrusion. It feels like an invasion of sorts. An invasion of our airspace, right? Do you know what happens if one of our military aircraft crosses 100 feet over the line of the no-fly zone into

china into god forbid over the china mainland they have an imaginary line that that they draw i forgot the name of it that they consider to be the border zone of their land there's already there's an island chain and and there's also the dotted chain or dotted line there's also contention over that too because they're building artificial islands as well, expanding on that now fly zone. China also routinely does like flyovers that in North Korea does flyovers,

or not flyovers, but like North Korea does like intercontinental ballistic missile testing too over Japan. So like that's a big point of contention, military exercises of that sort. But imagine if a US aircraft of anyention military exercises of that sort but imagine if a u.s aircraft of any kind balloon plane whatever actually went over mainland china like an actual

route so it would be considered a hostile act and that aircraft would be shot down so that actually was a balloon so that actually does happen if it was the kid from up like no no it does what you're talking about happens quite frequently as a matter of fact and that's precisely why all governments whether they're warring with one another or not whether they're engaging in a proxy war whether it be in ukraine or in syria are actually in constant communication with one another a lot of people don't know this there is a communication system between russia and the united states States of America to ensure that all like the United States is always aware of every Russian flight pattern they're not able to give it to

Ukraine they claim that they don't give it to Ukraine and uh Americans you know Americans are feeding their information to Russians for that reason so that that never actually happens no crossover happens as soon as that balloon reached uh U.s airspace they were already in back and forth communication with the chinese government which is why i'm saying it's like a little bit more aggressive like the media's more aggressive approach to the story is is the unusual part of it the fact that there was like a surveillance balloon or a meteorologist uh you know like a weather balloon uh crossing over uh into our airfield is not that unique i i'm gonna be honest maybe it's just the nature of a balloon so whimsical i agree but like when i also little guy little guy he's up there when i also weighed

against the fact that everybody in the conversation has nuclear missiles, and if they actually wanted to buck static, we'd all be dead already. I just don't give a fuck. I just don't give a shit anymore. Yeah, but, okay. Moving on. Did you know they used to use balloons in World War II? Yes.

To drop bombs. Yeah, Japan used to firebomb U.S. civilian territories with balloons, and that was actually a very serious thing at the time because they were like, what the fuck? What do we do about this? Who reached what? The Pacific seaboard, right?

So six people died. Six civilians were killed in a firebomb attack. That was the most successful one. And the government actually covered it up at the time because they did not want to create additional panic and a sense of insecurity. Isn't it funny how things have changed so much where it used to be,

yo, let's protect our citizens and have them continue to live the way of life that they are used to so they can continue to be, you know, efficient civilians to now, mongering is the way. Well, because...

Let's drive further here. One is the government and one is the media. one is uh the media yeah for sure well also no no the media is in unison with the government on this one i think the war mongering comes from the military industrial complex in general but the reason why we do that now is because we are more safe here in the continental united states than ever before. And the reason for that is because one was World War II, where the United States was like, you know, a powerful industrial force, okay? But post-World War II, especially after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that's it.

That and all of the efforts that the United States engaged in in the years to come against the USSR basically solidified that this was America's world. You know what I mean? And that's precisely... And Rocky IV. So, for that reason, the warmongering is to just generate more weapons.

Like, there's... Dude, come on. We have like $800 gorillion in our fucking defense spending. You think a balloon is not going to? A lot of money. Yeah. You think a fucking balloon is going to be, like, a serious issue? Dude, you look kind of like a gorilla, dude.

You're a big fucking dude, bro. That's true. Now, this is a topic I can dig into. So, like, I've never really gotten a chance to, like, size. You're always sitting. You're always sitting down like constantly. That's true. And I knew you were a big dude.

Like I knew that. Right. But like you're a big dude. And people don't people don't see that until they see me in person. Because like I get this all the time when I'm meeting with fans. They're like, holy shit, you're so tall. I'm like, motherfucker, you know, I'm six four. You know what I mean?

But people don't really like grasp it. I get it by proxy because i'm always next to them and then people see me and they're like i thought you were like five five dog yeah no what's your weight right now two right now no no no i'm i'm 250 pounds flat right now i'm trying to get down to 230 when i was 230 i had a six pack. Would you ever fight? No. You could pull, dude, if you,

because you work out too, right? Yeah. You're pretty active. I, yeah, I like, and I even like fight training

every now and then. Like, I'll do like cardio shit. I enjoy it. Here, somewhere for you. Here. Try to get out of the habit

of chewing gum on podcasts it's so i mean it's so anti like i do it non-stop brother don't worry about it um but uh i i just i hate fighting i hate fighting so much yeah i'm not a fan i'm not into it either i'm just i like i like watching it and you know like i'm i'm into this new like stuff. I think it's cool. I think it gave, uh, I think it gave Jake Paul, uh, like a real purpose and direction. I think there's a lot of people who are doing that along with something else other than trying to be better than his brother.

Yeah. There's definitely a, there's definitely a competition. I got to give it to Logan, man. I love wrestling. That shit with him and Ricochet, 10 out of 10. Bro, listen, he is a... Did you see that clip?

I did. I actually talked about this. I was gonna bring this up. He's a world-class athlete. He is so... He is really good at that. Listen, there is a certain specialized kinesthetic intelligence that comes with being a wrestler right not like a not like a collegiate wrestler like a wwe wrestler where it's not just doing

super athletic films it's like selling facial expressions and like the soap opera within these like really athletic moves and him with uh austin was. The buckshot was fucking amazing, and now that moment with Ricochet, that's like an all-time moment. It was unreal. What I've come to realize with his involvement is that if he's in an event, he's going to create the showcase moment of that event.

So, like, I saw that for the first time in Saudi at Crown Jewel. I mean, that jump off the top rope through the table was insane. Like, I don't know. It's like, it's almost like there's like a different class of, we all kind of exist in like different lanes and niches. You crush the podcast and open format streaming and like talking about, you know, varying topics. The idea of getting in front front of 60 000 people with some

of the greatest wrestlers of all time yeah and being able to do what you just did thread a storyline with athleticism and showmanship is uh is a completely different lane like he really he really is incredible at what he does yeah i know which is why it's fucking mind-boggling to me when he fucks up still when i'm just like, dude, what are you doing? Just focus on shit that you're good at that people will like celebrate you for because he has an opportunity. Obviously, when you're that famous, especially when you're mired with controversy leading up to that moment, you're going to have a lot of haters. I have a lot of fucking haters. You know what I mean?

I can't change their minds no matter what but um ultimately you just got to keep your head down and make good content and be an entertaining person and that's such a great avenue for him so whenever other shit happens like you know obviously crypto zoo and whatever i'm like dude what the fuck are you doing like how are you how are you doing this you know i think what I mean? I think that's the goal now. Like, I think when that was all strategized and put together, it was pre a lot of the stuff that you're seeing him do now, which was like when I saw some of those videos or tweets, which were like, yo, you've got Prime, you've got this, you've got that going on.

I think when that was put together, it was probably two, three years ago when they started talking about it. And that was prior to a lot of that stuff, you and he was still looking for a lane of of new enterprise and and you know web3 and crypto and nft was all heating up and it seemed like a time to get to continue to get involved in that space and i you know like i've never been a crypto guy i've always been like this shit's a scam don't fucking do it you're a rare bird though to be honest listen let me put it this way on what happened to our crypto if someone brought up i still have it wait what is that now how much money what'd you guys get no no we we got paid in crypto for i have not i did the homie i did the homie hookup for him and we we participated

in some fucking cash app thing okay but did But did you get it? The Uno tournament. And we like got to a certain level. Or I think they gave us like an appearance fee or something in crypto. I want to know what it is. Because I was like, I don't give a fuck. Just give it to Will. Was it Eve? It's coming.

It's coming back. It's coming back. I mean, I don't know where it goes. I'm not, you know. Let's look. This is going to be fun. It says $0, homie. What the fuck?

No, no, no, no, no. That's the cash balance. Oh, isn't that it? There. Bro, that's halved. Yeah. Wait, what was our payment? We got paid.

We got paid like. 10 grand total, I think. Yeah. Or wait, was it 10 grand each? No, I think it was like 10 grand total. Yeah, it was like 10 grand total. And I was like, just give it to Will. No, it is halved.

Yeah. He probably paid us at like 50. The only time I've ever, I have a funny story. The only time I've ever made money on anything, because me, I'm the guy that always buys at the top. Like I'm that guy. I suck. I'm last to the party.

I'm like, yo, Bitcoin's at 48,000. It's going to a million. I got to put everything into this. I'm just that guy. Yeah. And so I've lost tremendous amounts of money investing in Ethan. I suck. I suck at that. At least, you know, so you shouldn't do that. Correct. Now I try to do traditional investments with people that can handle my money and do it for me. Right. But the only time I ever made money on crypto, I had this streak of getting my Venmo hacked. And you know,

like for whatever reason, I had every security protocol locked into my Venmo. I had dual fact, two factor, everything. And I was calling them constantly. Why does this keep happening? And, uh, I, I went and I checked my account one day and I realized that someone had purchased $2,500 worth of Bitcoin with my connected traditional bank account. A hacker had gone in and purchased Bitcoin in my Venmo with my account. Now, right after he did that, like literally like a couple weeks after that, Venmo rolled in this new requirement

that you have to upload your social security number and tax info to sell crypto. So he couldn't then offload the crypto. So I froze my account and got access back to it about three months later, and Bitcoin had doubled in price. So when I sold the Bitcoin that the hacker purchased, I doubled my hacked money. That's awesome. And actually turned a profit off the hack. That's the only time you're paying money. That's awesome.

That's great. Everything else has just been L's, bro. Just go with L's. Just don't do it. I mean, there's a lot of people who think that they're going to do it. The only people that end up doing it are usually the ones who are doing the rug pulling. And then sometimes you even get pulled yourself when you're trying to fucking, you know, put a scheme together. I think there's also an element of like the scratch lotto ticket to crypto too.

100%. I think there's something like whims. Yeah, it's gambling. Yeah, it's gambling. It definitely feels like that. So was the stock market. At least there's like a little bit more fundamentals. And yeah, like with the stock market. At least there's like a little bit more fundamentals. And yeah, like with the stock market,

like there is a level of predictability that I would put like maybe around the same vein as like sports betting. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Well, and there's a rule book, right? Like we're all just kind of like watching this space where anything can happen. Like the,

the crypto space, they're starting to obviously roll some sort of like rules and rags into it. But for the most part, it's just like wild West, like finance area where like, you see these, these people in, you know,

other countries, they're like, Oh, $6 billion just disappeared. And we don't know where the guys are. Like, what was it? Those brothers bro el salvador el salvador changed his entire national currency to cryptocurrency like it's the most and also at the top yeah also at the top most idiotic thing you could do as a fucking nation dude like holy fuck buying a home in el salvador

baby let's go yeah he was so bullish he was like yeah he's in yeah no he's a diamond hands baby no no no fucking yeah no futters no fear and uncertainty doubters r slash wall street bats like they don't love this yeah that's great it's just it's so devastating imagine you can't do anything you're just in el salvador and then your fucking government just does that you're like okay, I'm fucked now. See, that's the thing. You see this kind of stuff happen. I think there's been some really strange stuff going on in Lebanon

over the past few years with their currency situation. I think they just took a 90% devalue on conversion rate or something like that over the past week. And their banks have no money, and people can't pull money out of their banks. Yeah. You know,

private and personal. People are like robbing banks to get their money out. It's wild. To pay for like cancer surgery and shit. Venezuela, Turkish inflation. Like obviously,

I spent a little bit of time in Istanbul when I got my, my hair done. I was going to ask you about that. Listen, bro. Yes. It's Grammy weekend

Alright dude I can't talk about this stuff Oh my god This city's taking my soul bro So you got You got a hair transplant Yeah I did Yeah

How bad was it before? Was your shit fucked up? Not terrible But it was It was You know I'm 38 years old I was starting to get thin

I wouldn't say bald Oh in the back You were crowning in the back correct crowning exactly and i was a little getting a little brother bank style as well yeah yeah i guess you can say that yeah and i was i was i was dude i was rocking a lot of hats yeah and and also just like you know trying to figure out like all these like temporary songs we're front receipters ourselves me and him i mean dude like honestly i just don't i don't know i don't do a lot of the the la stuff i've never done botox i've never done any of that

kind of stuff i have done some botox you did yeah where'd you get botox for forehead or head you did wait move your move your eyes well you can move it still a little bit when was the last time you did and but once like like uh two months ago i didn't fucking it looks good it looks good and i'm not and there's no there's nothing wrong i just haven't done that yet i've done some prp where they where they insert your platelet-rich plasma back in your face like all kinds of weird stuff but i've never done any of this shit bro i literally have to you're a bronzed god bro i fucking i use about the common i literally use fucking i use body wash on my face my whole life until like recently.

Right, right. And, but I feel like there's wear and tear. You know what I mean? I got to fix this shit up. You are wearing one of those like star face pimple patches right now though. That is not even a fucking pimple. I literally, I have an obsessive skin picking. It's like a thing that I do.

That's why I bite my nails all the fucking time in my cuticles. I always mention your thumbs. Yeah, my thumbs are. You have the most horrific thumbs. That's not that bite my nails all the fucking time in my cuticles. I always mention your thumbs. Yeah, my thumbs are... You have the most horrific thumbs. That's not that bad. Look at my thumbs. Are they that bad? They're just like...

Kind of fucked up. It looks like a boulder or something. It's like kind of fucked up, but it's not like that bad. What do you... They're very angled, dude. You have like a very like...

What? Rough exterior. You're very like a... What the fuck? I don't really know how to put it, dude. Hasan, it looks like you've been burned. What? It looks like you like grabbed a cauldron by putting your thumbs inside the hopper.

I think my hands are like definitely busted from both working out and also like beating the shit out of my cuticles. No, the rest of your fingers look okay. Your thumbs are just what is that what is that a result hold i want to i want to do this hair thing but i also want to learn why you're picking your feet i he does this i just i pick my you know is that oc like an ocd or anxiety i i guess it's like a symptom but i think it's uh it could be either like i have adhd so instead of fidgeting that that, like, probably grounds me. I rarely ever feel anxiety.

Like, I rarely ever feel anxiety. And I think part of that is because I'm just fucking constantly picking at my shit. So it just levels me. Yeah. So I'm like, fuck it. Yeah. No, literally. Like, I was thinking about that.

I'm like, yeah, this shit works. So who cares? You should brand that somehow. Like, you don't need Lexapro. You need to i would not say that but wait so okay so i'm so i'm in europe and like was doing something unrelated and david my my videographer had put me onto this idea and he was like dude he i don't know if i want to throw him under the bus because he was like trying to like not

he wanted a little bit himself, right? Like he had like a very small area. And he may or may not have got it. Correct. That's fine. And he like hinted at me. He's like, there's this place, Smile Hair Clinic in Istanbul, right?

And also I really wanted to go to Istanbul. I love baklava, dude. It's one of my favorite foods. It's the best. Dude, it's so good. And I love how the Turks and the Greeks like argue about who created it. Yeah, I went for equal parts of the dessert and the exhaustive hair surgery.

They were both check marks on our lips. Exactly. So I was like, all right, I'll explore this idea. And I got in touch with these people. And I was like looking into the system that costs upwards of $30,000 in the United States. Oh, yeah. I was going to say in Turkey, it's not.

So, so like in the United States, they charge you by follicle graft. So how many grafts are you going to have removed from what's called the donor area? I'm giving everyone kind of like a little bit of color to this, to this exercise. They have two different ways of doing it.

They can remove an entire strip of flesh from the back of your head and then and then remove hairs from that or they could do this individualized removal of follicles right and so if you want to have 4 000 follicles removed from the back of your head and implanted in the top uh of your crown or in the front of your head take a strip 4 000 times seven dollars per graft is 28 000 which prices out just about anybody who wants to have a surgery that can really help you with your self-esteem, your confidence, everything. It's not fun to have to worry about that.

It's just not dude. It's a, it's a major male issue. And some of that really messes with your, with your esteem, your, your self-esteem. Yeah.

And so I looked at the pricing there and they have this flat fee of like two grand or like five hundred dollars like they're like they're like you know well if you come in and it's and they're like using like uh google translate to talk to me and they're like well if you come in and you need 1800 graphs i'm like yeah how much would that be they're like 2000 i'm like i'm like what if i need 5000 graphs you're like 2000 like it just doesn't change yeah so i went there if you go in there that grafts you're like 2 000 like it just doesn't change yeah so i went there if he luby go in there that shit medical tourism is huge in turkey like they got some good doctors too uh it's so funny because like the the return flight from istanbul is like

motherfuckers all patched up was that god yeah luckily for me they took not lucky i guess it doesn't matter but i they like took mine off so i was was like, I was out in Istanbul exploring, um, uh, talk, talk, talk square the first day, by the way, it's like great square,

basically great country, great people, great food. Um, it, it, it's a shame to see what's happening with the, with the economy there because it's, you know,

it's another one of those situations kind of out of the population's control, obviously. Yeah. Um, but, but it, but ironically has led to a lot of opportunities for that type of tourism

because they really need money. And those infusions of tourism capital is really important to them. They're doing a lot. Tourism has always been a huge industry in Turkey, medical tourism even, but it's especially larger now. You're right. Because of promotion of yeah but there's there's also internet creators yeah well that for sure it's become like a meta it's like a meme you know i love that it's so funny it's all over tiktok it's just funny because like

every turkish person is also still bald like they're not doing it yeah that's actually date because is that like a um inherent like trait of that of that region i don't know i i did notice that like even like even like some of the even some of the the surgeons who like did the surgery i'm like why don't you just simply do it to yourself yeah fuck it you know what i'm saying but actually tourism is um is a major topic of discussion in in that greater region right now you're uh we've been spending a lot of time in in riyadh and in uh doha and cities like that as you continue to watch these oil rich uh countries um kind of start to have this like come to jesus well i guess it would become the

of what they're gonna of what they like, post-oil reserve. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, they're both trying to diversify. They're both trying to diversify while simultaneously, I think it's a bit of both. It's not just, like, they're trying to diversify their portfolio, but it's also, like, a lot of the stuff, like, you know, WWF or WWE, being bought by the Saudiudi government like that is uh

called sports washing where they're basically trying to well they're basically trying to make it uh more they're trying to do pr they're trying to make themselves the saudi government be bad they do wrestling right so i hear i hear what you guys are saying, but I, but I guess my question is to you, every country does that end up, does that end up in a way, reverse engineering the way that the government acts? Because when you start to have people like Ronaldo there, and when you start to have people like Logan Paul or whoever else there, do you think that that creates a necessity for those governments to then kind

of not engage in practices that they may have in the past. Does it go like this, to a point where eventually there is some sort of westernization or modernization of things that you don't want to do? Are those athletes going to hold the government accountable? No.

He's saying the more western consumers come to Saudi Arabia, the more Saudi Arabia is going to have to unwind their... What's the question I'm asking? Yeah, I don't think it's going to... It's more dependent on what like America bullies Saudi Arabia into doing. And America is not interested

in bullying Saudi Arabia in any capacity whatsoever. No, for sure. But you look at countries like Dubai, right? Where like there probably was some semblance of similar practices or a pass of similar practices, which you don't see at

all anymore you have alcohol you've got freedom of expression you've got freedom of sexuality for the most part i think if you're if you're a national it's still bad but it's oh shit but it's especially worse but it's especially bad if you're uh how are you good nice to meet you um yeah we wanted to we wanted to talk about saudi arabia we wanted to ambush you we wanted to ambush you with a woman yeah mike came in really political sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry we were talking we can save this for the fucking stream dog you can talk about all the pockets on stream i would rather do the pre-record oh yeah because you don't want to because you know maybe talk about like-record Oh yeah Cause you don't wanna Cause You know

Maybe talk about like Burger rating Yeah yeah yeah You want You want lighter stuff on stream I get it I see what it is It's fine

But yeah Cutie Cinderella Cutie Cinderella Mike Thanks for joining Unfortunately She lives She lives in In the state of Nevada

Do you Oh are you in San Diego Pretty much yeah Oh wow She drives like Three and a half hours to get here. Anything for Hassan, dude. Anything for Hassan. I interrupted Grammy's weekend for her.

Yeah. This fucking guy, bro. What are you? Are you supposed to be partying with Diplo right now? What the fuck's going on? I'm kidding. You just made it into a thing that it wasn't supposed to be. Okay.

All right. What are you doing tonight? You going to some parties tonight? It's Sunday. I'm done, dude. So we leave for Australia on Tuesday. Yeah, what are you guys doing in Australia? For, for, for...

I'm taking cool trips. Yeah, okay. Okay, you know what's funny? You never leave! This is a good, fun opportunity for me to mention some stuff about the history and the inception. No, the history and the inception of this podcast.

Originally... They're like husband and wife. The history and the inception. No. The history and the inception of this podcast. Originally. They're like husband and wife. Originally, I started this podcast way, way long ago. A long time ago. With the hopes that like how impulsive, what impulsive has been for you. Right. I thought this podcast would be for Will. Yeah.

And then we even worked we even worked with cast which was the network that you guys were working with we signed a bangarang contract and our contract was dog shit we didn't like it we left it we did it now we're doing it now how much money did we make for that year of podcasting we did two shoes two shoes no what was that six was this six grand total i think for all the fucking three each for a year yeah and then and then you know rothy's anyway my dad still wears those shoes yeah all jokes aside though like i thought you know this would be your you know hey big mike moment thing but then the podcast did not pop off and then you uh did your own thing regardless yeah but that's why that's why

originally i started it because i wanted like uh will to have there's no way that's why you didn't start a podcast no simply as a spring is that a lie another human it was one of his intentions that's very thoughtful one and i felt miserably but like it's funny that's just like admitted yeah one million percent yeah one million percent because you you like already had your lane and you didn't need like an additional kind of yeah yeah but do you love doing it because i gotta say this one of the one of the things about impulsive is like there's a there's kind of a thing that makes every podcast some podcasts have like really great guests some podcasts have like really great political conversation like crowder. Not this one. We don't do podcasts. Crowder.

But like everybody has their thing. Our thing has always been friendship and camaraderie between the people that exist on it. And so like as of lately, when you see that friendship threatened because of the conversation that exists on the podcast, it's extremely, it has potential like detriment

to the brand that we've created. Have you guys been fighting? There's been a little bit of like, damn. The Cryptosuit stuff was like one and then the Christianity stuff, right? Right, right. Which like, I don't even think that all of this

was all that like bad. You know, it was, I think it got blown out of proportion. I think so too too i think when you start to see like a snowball effect of someone having like a bad not the crypto zoo thing i'm not saying that but the christianity thing and like the the animal sanctuary thing were like two instances where i feel like people are just like ready to fucking eat logan paul alive which is understandable you know yeah so that's why they were coming after him, aggro. Second thing I'll say, and this is unrelated,

but we've been in similar scenes and stuff. We have mutual friends and whatnot, but I always thought you were a fucking douchebag, and I never approached you. What do I do about that? I think people think that about me too. Okay, but not even just like me and you. I've been struggling with this recently.

As someone who, as someone who sits on podcasts for hours, monthly, and literally just gives a semi-decent representation of who I am as a person. You're too bro-y. I used to, I don't, okay.

But I like that. But I'm the same way. No, but maybe you're right about that. But the one thing I never want to have mistaken, and I hope that this comes across, and we've had pretty intimate conversations. The first time we sat down, we had a great talk.

Right. For those of, I guess we'll just put this on the record, I met him because we were doing ScuffPod. And for those of you who have ever watched the scuff pod, which doesn't really exist anymore, you would sit in a waiting room for like hours. Yeah, it was miserable. Because Trayn would be like, we're going live at 11.

And then it would be like 1230. And you'd be sitting there playing a video game like, holy fuck, Matt. Or yelling about something. What is going on? And then he would finally go live. So we sat together in a waiting room for like probably over an hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just talked about a lot of stuff. And then he would finally go live. So we sat together in a waiting room for like probably over an hour. Yeah.

And just talked about a lot of stuff. And honestly, like I just, I sometimes struggle with this like misrepresentation of myself. And I think that like, especially in the culture of TikTok and the culture of like missing context, even some of the clips that we produce from our channels, I sometimes look at and I'm like, dude, this is unfair, bro. Like this sucks. I'll make a joke about, you know,

like my relationship with my ex and some, and they'll cut out the part where it was, I say, Oh, that was, well, that was in the PDF. Cause like,

they'll like, maybe it was fed to me. They'll cut that part out. And they're like, why is he always still talking about that? Can I, it context is really removed from a lot of situations on the internet. And I feel like sometimes i get this

misrepresentation being someone who when you do meet in person the response is always the same like yo his energy is really good like he's not i don't know am i misrepresenting myself i'll answer part of that listen when you are branded as someone's friend you're expected to like house all this in yeah you're expected to cut that out we didn't i thought we were leaking um no but like honestly it's it's amazing when a lot of people meet me they'll like try and chop up like socialist theory with me i'm like not dog that's like that's my friend and I think for a general audience parasocial audience it's really hard to separate two different personalities

so honestly I think you're probably carrying around a lot of Logan's baggage doesn't he know it he's like oh yeah it sucks when you're you know when your fucking best friend is a firebrand shit on a lot for no reason that's not if it doesn't happen to you everybody loves you

what's the like sins of your father called like generational trauma oh yeah like i'm like carrying around this baggage like yeah but that was definitely like how was japan yeah i'm like yeah no that that actually played a role in it too that was like your you know your proximity to logan paul um but then the thing that changed my mind too that was like your you know your proximity to logan paul um but then the thing that changed my mind about it was like your friendship with jeff because i love jeff i think he's a really nice guy um and you know we've had him on the pod a couple times as well so audience knows him and uh i think like seeing you guys as friendship that was when i was like you know maybe this is mike guy ain't too bad it also depends on like what people's and and and on jeff quickly i love that kid dude like he he

fuck that guy fuck my hair up dude fucking i saw it's my fault i let a blind man cut my hair there's not there's not a lot of people marco cut was better dead ass oh his his surgery didn't work dude that like i know it's it's actually sucks to The last... I don't know if I'm supposed to put this out there. Wait, what? Really? Yeah, the last... A lot of them are very experimental, bro. They're not sure shot surgeries.

What do you mean it didn't work? They don't... You know the idea of something not taking? Yeah. It didn't take. But it didn't blind him. No, no, no. No, no, no.

I think that's what he was worried about. Yeah, he was worried about being fully blind. So when you said that, I was like, what the fuck? It's just really tough to watch, obviously, no, no, no, no, no. I think that's what he was worried about. I think, yeah, he was worried about like being fully blind. So when you said that, I was like, what the fuck? It's just really, it's just really tough to like watch, obviously, like the whole situation. But, but going back, he, there's not many people in this space that I relate to tremendously. And going even a step back, a lot of times it depends on how willing people are to really dive into who you actually are as a person. And I think nowadays people are extremely lazy. into who you actually are as a person and i think

nowadays people are extremely lazy they'll watch a couple tiktoks maybe they'll dive into one of my vlogs and i will say this too i've been semi irresponsible in terms of how i present myself on my own channel so i'll put that out there but i wrote a a best-selling book called the fifth vital about the opiate epidemic and my experience with heroin addiction. And that book is- That's another thing I wanted to talk to you about. Has sold 300,000 copies. Wow, that's amazing. It is a USA Today bestseller. It is one of the highest ranked books on Audible and Amazon.

It's got over 5,000 five-star ratings. And when I meet people that know me through The Fifth Vital, it's a dramatically different conversation than it is for someone who's seen me on the podcast talking about wrestling and crypto, whatever the fuck, or the night shift, you know? And so my big job right now and the, and the, the real onus for, for 2023 and moving forward for me is being a little bit more responsible to the brand that I'm trying to create for, for longevity and for long-term and like not relying as much on the

things that I think we all fall into the habit of relying on from time to time. And, and, you know, I've, I've, I've loved all the time that I've spent with, with, you know, the girls that are in the vlogs and, and the food and, and the stuff that I do. And the food is another thing that I'm huge on. And we can talk about that later as love food but but but my my potential and and the ability that i have to create actual change and and continue on the change that i've actually made already is something that is a responsibility that i need to really take accountability for you're not cold turkey are you uh no i don't know what you mean by that like how did i get clean do you do you no no i meant not with like opiates. I meant alcohol too. Do you like sandwiches?

So, okay. So, so this is a, this is a conversation that is, is actually really hard for me to have, dude. And, and I. We don't want to have it. We don't have to. No, no, no. I, the thing about me and something that I pride myself on is transparency.

I, I, I, I'm, I'm fully transparent about anything. I put, I put everything out there. There's not, I don't put stuff. Same. It's a bad idea. Don't do it. I am the same way though. Go ahead.

I have been clean from opiates and all drugs since 2010. I got clean on June 23rd, 2010 and that includes anything, add or anything, right? Like completely clean. Like it? And, you know,

I wrote about this in my book so it's really i'm not putting anything else out there but i've had my ons and offs with the california sober lifestyle which is basically like okay i can have a casual drink here and there um i am i i do not condone that as a as a you know belief set for someone who is in active recovery, especially someone in early active recovery to even attempt something like that. I mean, I was clean and sober for years before I had a drink. And so it depends on when you ask me. I mean, if you ask me in 2020, I was sober for the entire year.

If you ask me on any given month, I could be sober for that entire month. If I ask you on Grammy's weekend, you're like, you know, get lit up a little bit. But it's another struggle that I have to deal with as someone who really would like to be a representation of what it looks like to escape an underworld

that a lot of people don't know exists, which is a terrible, terrible place and a terrible environment in this country. We have a severe, severe, severe problem. And the, the, the one thing about it is I've always been comfortable in my skin saying that I'm, I'm unfortunately slash fortunately not the perfect representation of, uh, and, and, and I just, just a last thought on it i believe that's actually a power for me i believe that people in recovery or or that are looking into getting into recovery are sick of gurus they're

sick of doctors they're sick of perfect examples of i'm at a meeting every day my life is this i do this this this this and this because life is unpredictable and and and honestly i i'm not a believer of of any kind of one sizesize-fits-all approach to recovery. And so that's kind of where I am. I agree with that. As someone who had a brother who deeply struggled with addiction, I think the word perfect,

like perfect recovery is such a weird oxymoron, right? Because I think there's no perfect situation there. Like obviously you're living with some kind of trauma or something that is imperfect. And so however you're going to make that work and make yourself function and be the best version of you, that's your perfect scenario. I think you are so defensive about this, obviously,

because you don't want to influence choices in other former addicts where they go have a drink and then fall off the wagon and then you feel responsible for that. 100%. And I'm just making that clear everybody's gonna have their own journey and i think everybody like no one can put their journey on anybody else you're that's exactly right and and honestly the the struggles that i continue to have are are or you know ons and off periods whatever you want to call, are generally me continuing to try to work through trauma. Yeah. And I have a tremendous, tremendous amount of experience with trauma

and ICUs and dead friends and anything you can imagine under the sun. I've been cut open a thousand times. I have severe, severe chronic injuries and issues, you know, imagine under the sun. I've been cut open a thousand times. I have severe, severe chronic injuries and issues, you know, everything under the sun. And I've seen terrible fucking things. And a lot of it,

even before that, a lot of people start using drugs or abusing substances as an escape from something that they're dealing with, even from their childhood. And there was a moment in, uh, in euphoria, which I,

which I love as a show. I really, really love that show, where, why am I drawing a fucking blank on Zendaya's name on the show? What do I think it's Rue? Oh, Rue, Rue, sorry, Rue. No, I think you're right.

Rue, I'm sorry. Grammy's weekend, man. No, Rue. Where Rue has this epiphany about the first time where she used opiates. And she was like, it was the first time in my life where I finally felt safe in my mind. And I related to that moment so much of this idea of all of that struggle with self-worth and anxiety and depression and all of that stuff that you carry with you. Feeling like, okay, now I found an escape,

only to then find out that it was everything but that. And it was going to lead into the worst, you know, 10 years of my entire life on this planet. So, you know, listen, it's just, all of us are on this journey together. We're all just continuing to explore and do the best that we can. And so I'm trying to be as responsible as I can with the storytelling, but more than anything, just continuing to tell that story because it has been really beneficial. Yeah. I mean, it's really interesting for me because I had a brother that

was a big time addict and never really let our family know. And my anti-drug was, I remember he was missing for like two, three years, basically showed up out of nowhere and then sat me down when I was probably 14 or 15 years old and gave me like a history of everything that he had been doing. And it was like traumatic just to hear, cause he's like, you can never tell dad any of this stuff. And just like all of, he passed away at the beginning of COVID, my, my brother did, but like getting this like history and like graphic detail of like just awful situations like that lives in my head and you just see the power that opiates have over a person it's it's

there's nothing really like it you know i mean there's there's a lot of you know drugs and a lot of different addictions but it's it's i would know when he was using you know no it's even just on the phone like even when he was like off of it or like he would call me in a normal state i could just tell by the way he was framing things i would be like oh for me it's instantaneous i can i mean you can sit me in front of anybody i can tell you exactly what drugs are on i was i was in that world i mean this this world that exists and and back to jeff and another reason why i do relate to him because he's another person that has seen that that side of this world i think like this a lot of times and this is not a a dig at anyone but the the creator set generally tends to be like

a pretty it's not young kids who make a million dollars they're sheltered they don't even they don't uh oftentimes they don't come from a background where they like fully formed like identities uh through normal struggles that every random individual has in their day-to-day and they just go from like being some random dude that doesn't have a lot of friends to just becoming this like super famous person their identity is almost built yeah yeah and then every single interaction that they have after that it's always going to be because they are who they are and what they bring to the table is going to be like their fame and fortune so you can't in my opinion you can't make like um you can't shape

your identity around that and i think they're and i think the biggest thing that um and they don't struggle like you said the biggest loss for an identity that is simply rooted in child stardom or this bubble that we play in is empathy. And it is something that I... Oh my God, dude, it drives me crazy, bro. I feel so deeply when I see people hurting dude like because i know so intimately what it feels like to be at the end yeah i lived there for so long bro to to a point where i was

sure that i was that this was what my life was. There was no future. It was just, this is how my life went. This is how I lived. And, you know, my mom sat by the phone every night waiting for the call, like, yo, your son overdosed or was shot to death in a deal gone wrong. Like, that was my life. And so when I see these people who are struggling, homelessness, addiction, even the more, you know,

what you would call like rudimentary struggles of like, of like have not, you know, not having a strong family structure, a support system that it, it, it, it hurts me. It actually hurts me in my fucking heart, dude. Like I feel that shit and you, and, and I'm not asking for that. I'm not asking for that like direct lineage of empathy through this like shared extreme struggle, but it's so hard to see these people that are just muted do it. They are so disassociated from any sort of desire to make someone else feel okay. When I know someone's hurting, that stops me in my track, dude. Like I want to help you fix that problem. Now this has also created another issue for me because if you go through my dms it's all day yeah they send their suicide notes to me yeah

and it's a lot to deal with bro it's a lot of pressure to deal with i do i trust me i know i'm sure you guys well we're twitch rumors so that's like you know that comes with the job it's our twitch chats yeah dm and twitch yeah exactly they're out here ruining immaculate friday vibes You know, that comes with the job. It's our Twitch chats. DM and Twitch chat. Yeah, exactly. They're out here ruining Immaculate Friday vibes on a regular basis. Go on, cutie. This might be a bit of a loaded question. And feel free to like, maybe. Get his ass.

Get his fucking ass. No, no, no. Stab him in the chest right now. It's going to be sad Hassan, so keep your shit together. No, I just wonder as a family member of someone going through this, what can you do? I think like, for example, my, my mother was addicted to opioids and we didn't realize for a really long time until it was, until it was like pretty much too late. And so I, I'm curious, like once you do realize, how do you, what's the best way as an addict

for like someone that loves you to approach you if that makes sense so the question that you're asking right now is like what would be considered like the million dollar question yeah of course yeah it's it's unfortunately like very complex because you've got two schools of thought right you've got tough love and you've got coddling right and my belief is that the answer probably falls somewhere in between the two, but coddling never worked for me. And it wasn't until my probation officer told me, after a dirty urine, tomorrow morning at 10 a.m., I need you to show up at SCRC Clinic in New Haven, Connecticut,

and start a detox program that will then basically lead into rehab, or you can come to probation and you will serve out your five-year suspended sentence don't have two options and i said that urine is wrong i will you that's not my wrong piss that's my brother she said she's well it's attic mentality and she said and she said you're not hearing me tomorrow morning 10 a.m i ellen listen to me ellen stop slow down there's been a lot going on in my home life i'm i okay i used again i'm i'll fix it i'll 10 a.m tomorrow make a decision hung up the phone go ellen ellen ferrari milford connecticut probation hell yeah next day i was at scrc five days, puking, shitting, getting off methadone,

getting off heroin, getting off crack cocaine, Xanax. I was prescribed 90 milligrams of Xanax a month. And 31 days after that, I was at Connecticut Valley hospital rehab. I got out and I never used drugs again. And I owe my life to her and, and my family for the support. And that's, and that's honestly, so to answer your question, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's a difficult answer because I think it will be semi dependent on the person. Some people just really need that love. I think me as this rebellious, like boy, I needed to, to get punched in the face by reality.

But, but regardless, I think the support needs to be there. I think, I think the one thing you see, the recurring theme that you see in this country with both mental illness and addiction is that the people who truly don't get better are the ones that can't find any resource of support.

And we are in a broken system. And I, and the saddest I feel is for these people who are on the streets with no one yeah who have served their country who have who have been civilian have been good citizens and have fallen victim to the to this epidemic that is you know pharma sponsored whatever you want to call it and now have no one they have no family they've been deserted the system has forgotten about them i call them forgotten ones and they're everywhere and it is it is extremely sad extremely sad yeah the hardest part for my family and i is like an addict will lie yeah lie they're

i had a so so my brother bobby like unfortunately my family enabled him in a big way oh and like the big one for him was he said this is is like, I'm on earth in it. But like, he would always say he was fixing his teeth. And he would ask my parents for money to fix his teeth. So they'd give him like

20 grand at a time. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. He got, he had the, that was the original rug pull right there.

Yeah. He said he was working on this crypto called Crypto Zoo. Oh my God. Oh my God. He was the originator? He was the OG zooer, dude? But it's funny because like,

just from the other perspective, like as a young kid, you carry this stuff just to everybody there. I'm wearing Invisalign right now. And part of that is because I never asked for my parents to fix my teeth. Oh my God. Because I was so,

that carried just so much. Because the other thing is like my parents and I never really talked about it. That was probably the worst thing we could do, right? Is that we wouldn't talk about it. If it was ever like, how's Bobby? He'd be like, oh, you know, when we should have been like, oh yeah, he's on smack. You know what I mean? Like, but it's so hard. And I think that's going to be the hardest part for you is like,

want to help this person. Oh, my mom's dead. So, well, I'm just saying for anybody who's listening. Mine's dead. Yeah.

Yeah. Too late on that one. My brother is dead too. Well, we can fix them. We will fix them. Two in a row. Okay.

Got it. Grammy weekend. Yeah. Grammy weekend. yeah well we can fix them we will fix them two in a row okay god yeah but it's also like for anybody dealing with this it's the question of like how do i help this person yeah while still live a normal and sustaining life because you're carrying way more of that shit around than you think even if you're a well-adjusted dude, like I'm fucking 33 years old. I'm fixing my teeth now because when I didn't have money, I couldn't be like, hey, mom, dad. Because I knew they would be like, you need money for your teeth.

Are you doing the heroin? Well, but it's just like as a, and like maybe we could, I don't know, switch to something more lighthearted. But as a, like on a note of of where you guys are coming at it from yeah i i just i the last three pages of the fifth vital which is so strange for me to have climbed the second mountain that creators have to climb after getting rich yeah before the first month i had no money when i put the fifth vital out and i achieved the impact that i needed to on this planet before wow that's amazing and amazing. And so it's been, it's been an incredible ride,

but the, the last three pages of the book, um, in the last chapter in the afterthoughts chapter, I had asked the rest of the team that I worked on it with to not touch that chapter. Now they had done a certain amount of proofreading, beta reading,

editing as they would at any, you know, publishing agency would. And I said, please don't touch the afterthoughts chapter. It's very important to me, very special to me. And the last three pages of the book are letters that I wrote to three different groups of people. Uh, one being a person who has never known addiction or mental illness. And I basically say, wake up every day and cherish,

cherish the radiance that your life is and and and apply that light as much as possible to anyone that you know that is going through it yeah the second letter i wrote was to people that are family members and this was the hardest one for me to write because you guys are warriors you guys are absolute warriors and like i cannot imagine watching a loved one go through that because I went through it and, and, and, and it was very tough for me to deal with. And obviously, and I still struggle with that, but the idea of there's always some sense of self and accountability and hope that exists within every one of us, even in our darkest times. And that light gets very dim. But for the most part, we all try to keep that light on,

that little ounce of hope. And I can't even imagine what it would be like to be you or to be you in that situation and to have to watch someone go through that. And so to anybody out there who's watching a loved one, I can't even tell you the debt that we have to pay

to you guys as a support system. And unfortunately, it's a debt that we'll never repay. There's no way for us to pay that back. But for the ones that are blessed and lucky enough or work hard enough or whatever you want to call it to get out of it, you guys are the reason why. You know what I'm saying? And so for what it's worth, my hat's off to you guys. I can why you know what i'm saying and so i like for what it's worth you know i i my hat's off to you guys and i well i can't even imagine i think that's why i've always

fucked with you so much is like the first time we met you were just promoting fifth vital as it was i think it was just coming out yeah yeah and i think you know ultimately that's the coolest thing about you is a lot of people can you know go through addiction or go through a hard time, but you've really carried it and you own it. It's not some dark secret. You put it on your sleeve and you have done a ton. And I think that's why, like, I think your radical empathy is different because I think we live in a time where there are vogue empathies, right? There's groups of people. Oh, my God.

It's really popular. Yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. Go out there and. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Go out there and it's the, the Yaz Queens of the world. And it's like, do you actually empathize with that person?

Do you actually care about that person? Are you doing that for Twitter likes or whatever? I think it is much harder to empathize with people who aren't in that Vogue addicts, homeless. And I think you wear that. And I think you're such a regular, normal guy that that's why maybe some people

have a visceral reaction to you because they're like oh you know like what the hell is this guy about because their empathy is so performative and yours is so real that they don't understand that you can come at these things from a like a a not you know social media there's no winning it for i mean exactly no one no one look let me tell you this much okay as someone who uh you know talks about both empathy and also uh is on the progressive side of the political political spectrum there is no more vicious feedback that i receive for any other issue outside of my what americans consider unorthodox views on rehabilitation over incarceration when i talk about homelessness and when i talk about convicts and their treatment um those are the two instances

where like even a community that i've cultivated that is supposed to be open-minded and quote unquote woke get incredibly vicious where they're like no they did something wrong and like and that that comes from the american uh carceral system and how it is a uh it's how america is like just this incredibly draconian culture where it's like it's all about vengeance yeah it's never about like uh truly trying to understand what other people's struggles are and And it's more like, you did something wrong. You need to be punished immediately. And these people have done something wrong. And also on top of that, obviously, like,

we just see homelessness not as, like, as a symptom of the disease of the system that we exist under, but instead, like, a moral failing. Same with addiction. Because that, you know, that makes it easier for you to feel uh uh more vindictive towards those who are actually fucked over or at the very least like detached yeah and feel comfortable being detached from it that's such a funny like juxtaposition to have an audience that's like yeah fuck the police fuck the police unless you get caught and tried by them

not everyone is like that but like it is always shocking whenever, well, like I guess it's not shocking anymore, but like I know as soon as I start talking about like, you know, convict rights, prisoner rights, like I know that a big chunk of my community even is going to have issues with that and they're going to. Which is actually wild to me just because.

What's up? Now listen, of course there's. Thank you, Murat.'s up? Now listen. Oh, food. Of course there's. Thank you, Murat. Did you get yours? All right, word. Murat's working. You were telling me about these burritos. By the way, like.

I got you a bunch of different. Where do you guys, obviously, like, because I'm versatile. Where do you guys want to go today? Like, where do you guys want us to go? Because I haven't. Disneyland. You want to maybe go to disneyland because we can yeah well where we're gonna go right now is probably end it on this note and then move on to the paywall portion of the broadcast and i'm gonna show my toes on the paywall oh i can do that too i'll show you i actually have some old videos i know you have some you what, planters fasciitis or whatever? Planters fasciitis.

Bro, he is, no, no, no. His feet are busted, dog. There's an account on Instagram called HeyBigMike's Feet. I'm not even kidding. Which he may or may not be controlling. It's horrible. I got a taco sampler for everybody. Is this your sock account you're just posting?

I'm actually working with orthotics specialists right now to handle handle this once and for all you're saving the world i know i'm really good job you're doing a lot but hey big mike thanks so much for coming out what do you want to plug what do you want to promote can we find you you know uh the night shift on youtube impulsive obviously read the read the fifth vital i mean we talked a lot about addiction and mental illness today. I mean, that's my, the greatest thing I'll probably ever do

in my life. And so, and it's a bestseller. And it's a bestseller. That's right. New York Times snubbed me because it's a club, but I should have had that

as well. But yeah, I mean, other than that, just, I mean, instead of plugging anything, just, just, just please be nice to each other, dude.

Like, I'm just so freaking, like, just do what you can to like leave nice comments. I might have to like incentivize it financially soon. I don't know how we do that, but just please be nice to each other, dude. That's it. That's all I ask. All right.

Hell yeah. This was a banger episode. Thank you. And thank you so much, Cutie Cinderella, for coming. I shall sometimes. Albeit, you're the new Will now of the podcast. I know. Will's I'll be it. You're the new will now of the podcast. I know. You're always on

time. Ready to go. I want to make fun of Will till they become the Will. I'm the Will. No. We'll always eat

burritos. Kitty Cinderella. What? How's your day, Ben? You know what? Do you want the tea? Do you want some tea that's behind the paywall?

Still got shit, bitch. We have some paywall tea. As we know, fake nudes of myself were leaked everywhere this past week. Oh, my God. We're getting into it. We're in the paywall. I wasn't going to touch this. No, no.

I am a woman, a part of it. I'm more than happy to talk about it. And it sucks because, you know, there's, I feel like there's like levels of kind of how much you get hit by it. And like Maya and Pokimane were like the number one, like they got hit the most. But the issue was, is that Atrioc was a best friend of ours. And so I've been...

Now, you put that in the past tense. Yeah, I did. I did. God. Unfortunately, Mariah ate most of the chips.

That's okay. And so, so yeah, I put that in the past tense because the damage is just irreparable. Like, I'm not kidding. It's so irreparable.

No, no, no plugs. We're on a serious topic. No, it's not. I'm being casual about it. I don't think it's like, but what happened? I wanna ask like my nudes. I saw this obviously.

Yeah. I still am trying to. Oh, so did everyone. So did my Mormon family. No, no, sorry. I didn't see that. No, no, no. No, I'm saying like, that's how bad this was.

Is it wasn't a controlled thing. That's how I meant. I saw the didn't see that. No, no, no. No, I'm saying like, that's how bad this was, is it wasn't a controlled thing. That's what I meant. I saw the fallout from it. Yeah. And I'm just trying, I'm really just still, like everyone else, wrapping my brain around all of this. Yeah. And how it is also like a microcosm for this new situation

that we're all dealing with with AI. Like you literally are in the zeitgeist of like a conversation that is existing in a more mainstream perspective, but in a very personal and like intrusive way. It's like very strange to me. I'm going to share a few things. I'm sorry that happened to you. When I was at BuzzFeed,

people made a lot of deep fake porn of me. And I might sound old, but I just didn't get it. Okay. Like me photoshopped onto some rip gay porn star's body with a decent cock. I was like, who gets off to this? And I've never understood deep fake. Like, I just don't understand. Yeah.

It doesn't do anything for me. Yeah. And beyond that, he's fucked a lot of porn stars. Uh-huh. And I'm going to be honest. You talking to me about this? What do you mean? Once, I mean, and I don't know what this says about my psyche.

Uh-huh. But once I met these women, I couldn't jerk off to them anymore. Yeah. I don't know. to them anymore. Yeah. I don't know. Like they existed as real people. Like, like,

and then once I saw them getting like face fucked, I was like, God, I really enjoyed talking to her about, you know, souffle or whatever. We really wish that we had talked about this on the non, but this, cause this topic,

we might add it. We might add it for me is we can have a long episode why not yeah okay so obviously like that is my second home that space like i've i've yeah the playboy mansion hung out hung out with every adult star and they're all friends of mine from emily to riley to to obviously dated lana for time. Yep. And by way of them being in my content, I've now gotten this, I've been on the receiving end of this like strange PTA mom-esque ridicule that has started to exist on the internet where when you hang out with girls that do this type of stuff, it's haram. It's you're a terrible infant.

Like, this is all very new. I grew up on Howard Stern. I grew up on Hugh Hefner. I grew up on... Anti-sex work sentiment has always existed. It's just you're humanizing adult workers, and that's why you're also bad. The idea that they're bad has always existed,

especially by hypocritical pieces of shit who love consuming it. That's the worst part of it. Now that you are playing a role in humanizing sex workers, you're also bad. Maybe he didn't have the availability or democratized way of getting that feedback, but Stern wasn't given that type of feedback from people. And by the way, the weirdest part of it is it's 19-year-old boys, like 19-year-old men.

Like, why are you so, but to your point. Listen, I'm a big Stern fan. Yeah. I think part of that disconnect that you're experiencing is social media wasn't a thing. Like, Clear Channel and. Like, clear channel, and like moms for, again, drunk driving or whoever, hated Howard Stern.

Like the same Karens that are coming after you, they just didn't have a Facebook page from which to watch. No, but it was moms. But it was moms. That's what I'm saying. And now there's been this weird thing where the dudes, this is what happens. They literally go on Pornhub.

They jerk off. They throw the toilet paper away, and then they go to the Pornstar's page that they just jerked off to and leave hate comments. Or go to my YouTube and be like, you're a scumbag for promoting this type of vile garbage. That's a place of self-loathing, though. Bro, it is weird. It's weird. But anyways, back to your point. for promoting this that's a place of self-loathing bro yeah it is weird it's weird but anyways back to your point i'm telling you as a defender of sex work who is like both written about the

subject matter being interviewed on it they do not stop you you don't even know the depths of the mania or maybe you do they'll just say like i talked about my experience going to a brothel in germany yeah and this brothel was later like i went to the brothel when i was 20 okay it's a very famous brothel prostitution is legal in germany and i was talking about my experiences there to talk about like how different the systems are right we're in hamburg uh no it was berlin artemis artemis is a very famous one yeah no artemis is a very famous one yeah and and you know i've i've routinely had sex workers on my broadcast i i've had my ex on my broadcast a lot and um when i talked about the brothel some fucking dickhead on twitter was like well that brothel was raided in 2016 what was it rated for well they claimed it was rated for sex trafficking right but it was

actually rated for tax evasion but it doesn't even matter but because i defend sex workers because i talk about that stuff all the time now no matter where i go on the internet motherfuckers will always especially on tiktok this is huge on tiktok and it's huge on twitter people will constantly say oh well you love sex trafficking people you love you are engaging in the act of sex trafficking people even try to like there's certain things that go around dude there's a community for everybody in the internet where there's just ridiculous i'm talking like who gives a fuck i'm talking about i'm talking about like you know hundreds of thousands of likes on a fucking tweet that says like you sex traffic

children what am i know what i would do i would find out who made that video and make a video saying that they sex traffic like who gives a yeah who gives you know what i would do i'd find a child in the sex traffic yeah like dude like who gives a fuck what people you're you're right about that you're right about that but i'm just saying like the reason why they do it is because it's not because you're a bad person it's because you're humanizing sex workers and they consider that to be like really fucked up partially because of what will said where like a lot of people feel self-loathing for their actions because america is also aside from our draconian culture and attitudes we're very puritanical and also very patriarchal like women and what women can do to

their bodies needs to be limited needs to be controlled goes back to like old school christianity and i want to re-vortex the origin on this one what women can do with their bodies or not do with their bodies because this is where we started no i think it's fine i think this is a fine topic because part of what you said was actually okay so crazy enough all this stuff happens and I I get I wake up to um Ludwig getting off a phone call right and Ludwig's like oh apparently Ashiro was looking at porn of Pokimane I gotta go to the gym and I was like what you know like I'm like barely awake you know and then I get I get more phone calls and I get

the whole story I get off and i'm sitting there processing it i'm like it's not my body it can't okay the things that you're seeing where people are like oh it's not their body how much do they care and i'm like okay then i had therapy actually that day it was mondays i have therapy mondays great time and i go to my twitter yeah therapy monday talk today um i go to my twitter and i sit at my twitter and i just had my d i never my twitter dms are never open i just had my DMs open because I was looking for panel members for my award show so I opened it up for people to send me their stuff or whatever and I was like huh sitting there absorbing it and I click on my messages and it's just these videos and as soon as

you see the video and they're so fucking real as soon as you see them your mind shifts like from saying oh that's not my body why should i care to was i just did i do that like am i that did i do that did you people have a werewolf moment where you're like i lost track of time like you just sit there well every woman that has been a part of this has kind of mentioned the same feeling like it reminds me of um like i was molested as a child and it reminds me of that feeling. Like the uncanny valley. Like how did this happen? Did I what?

You know, and I'm like, oh, and then my therapist thing pops up and I'm like, oh boy. Well, because the same thing exists, right? This is going to be a dance therapy Monday. How long you got? It's because there's no consent. You didn't consent. There's no consent. It's completely outside of your control.

And that's kind of what the problem is, right? Yeah. And then so I go to therapy and I'm talking to my therapist. And she was like, the problem is, of all this, is kind of what you said. Where he did not have a visceral reaction enough to exit out. Because usually what happens, I've had deep fake porn pop up before and you see it and you're like, oh my God. And you exit out and that's it.

And you move on. The fact that he didn't have a visceral reaction shows that he purely saw this objectively, which is really fucking sad when you're a woman that exists in the space, knowing that he had to scroll past pictures of me to get to those pictures that he, and it's like, man, so I'm just an object like i'm you know and maybe his justification was it wasn't their bodies whatever it was it's just like it's just so depressing and so sad but then you know i yeah i get out of therapy and i'm like this sucks and bloodwigs and meetings and he's taking care of all sorts of stuff and i'm just sitting there and i'm on the phone with maya and we're just fucking trying to talk to it and i'm sitting there and I'm eating ramen noodles.

I remember there's spicy ramen noodles. I'm sitting there and I'm like, this is crazy. You know, she's like, I got to go process. I'm like, same. I hang up. And then I just look at the DMs again and I see my body and I see the way it's supposed to look. And I'm like, my body doesn't look like that. Right.

Like, like how it should look like in this sexual way, like the way this is the male gaze. Right? So I'm looking at this. It looks convincingly like my body, but it also doesn't because it's fucking perfect. And I know my body's not fucking perfect. You're perfect. So, well, that's nice of you, but you're sitting there, you're sitting there and you're staring at this and I'm looking at it.

And I, for the first time in years, I went into the bathroom and I threw up my lunch wow that's how bad it was and I'm being like so genuine that's how bad it was is I sat there and I just slowly was like I will never have that body I need to have that body like it sent me back like and I have pretty bad you know I go to therapy we have problems but like it's the first time I've thrown up a meal in years. Years. And it just set me back to, like, little, like, 20-year-old me just being, like, I will never be good enough. Like, and it's just, like, what the fuck? Like, why?

Like, how? And so then people saying, like, how does it affect them psychologically? I don't know why it's affecting us psychologically. Well, it's so visceral, like, of a situation to, like, it's one thing for someone to say to you, oh, you're fat or you're too skinny or you're too this or too that. You're so used to that, yeah. But when someone puts your face on what would be considered the optimal outcome for your body type, that's almost like this really visceral reinforcement

of what you should look like. I get that. Like I get that. And by the way, like I could never, I know there's been a lot of sentiment towards men who have like discussed this and, and, and I'll, I'll almost in a way like double down on that a little bit. I can't relate or understand it all here. So like, yeah, there's a lot of things in life that I just went in these types of situations. I won't really comment on it because I don't know how you,

I cannot even imagine what that feels like. In another, you know, much lighter way, it was a big moment for hentai guys. Because. Are you dabbing me out, bro? What the fuck? I just dabbed him off. You were the weirdos.

Now you're not. You were the alpha creeps. And now everybody's like, that's ethical. Yeah. Yeah. Ethical vegan hentai. weirdos now you're the alpha creeps and now everybody's like that's ethical yeah yeah ethical vegan hentai that's why maybe more more ethical way oh yeah i was thinking about this the other day as i watched this like eight tentacle beast like with a 14 foot cock like yeah you know have sex and um bro there's no there's no, there's no layer in the game. It's just the animator. Only the animator can really claim any kind of,

you know, problem from it. Maybe that's the direction we, we move. Yeah. But in a, in a back to the serious side of it, I think it,

I think it's going to, I think beyond what it does to the individual, which is very, it was nice to hear directly from you because, uh, it's such a sincere problem. I think beyond that, it poses a really interesting question as to, in the future, what are people's rights and agency over their visage, their face, their likeness? As we move deeper into AI technology, deepfake technology, how much of your image do you own, right?

Like there's a lot of really interesting cases like the Emi Rue case. Emi Rue showed up in League, right? Like she was the inspiration for this character. And, you know, obviously I think there was, I don't know the specifics of that case, but as we move into the future, like there are going to be a lot of these uncanny

or likenesses used for reasons where you're like, wait a minute, did that creator have any kind of say on whether their face was used in this game? And that also, that has happened with League before too, right? Wasn't it like an employee or something, I think? I don't know.

I remember something like that being- I was the inspiration for Singed. No one plays League. Okay, I don't- I do. something like that being- I was the inspiration for Singed. No one plays League. Okay, I don't- I do. She does. Yeah, I was the inspiration for Urgot, so. One thing I'll say is that, like,

a lot of people also think, one, that women are objects, obviously. Wicked. So that's, like, definitely part of that, because they're like, you're an object of my sexual gratification. I don't think about you as a human being.'re an object of my sexual gratification i don't think about you as a human being i don't care about your feelings i don't care about your thoughts

i'm just horny and i want to fucking do this thing right so that's one reason and then it's additionally worse when you're also um you know somewhat of a e-celeb you know even though we're on the lowest rung of the fucking celebrity scale. It's just the reality, right? Well, it's not, actually. It's changing rapidly. Not to put a pin in an incredible... Regardless, like, you're a celebrity, right? So people feel like you're supposed to just take it. Oh, yeah.

They don't think of you as a human... What do you expect? You're part of the internet. Yeah, they don't think of you as, like, a human being. They just think of you as this, like, random thing that, you know know you are there to consume like not a real not a real person um but what a lot of people don't recognize is like the deep fake shit is is very easily done to normal you know normies civilian population non-famous people all the time as a matter of fact there was a case that i pulled up to showcase this where

there was a guy i think he was in long island or rhode island one of the islands um you know what else fucking places dominican republic so yeah he was deep faking girls middle school and high school into pornographic scenes with the jail he went to jail both because this was technically considered distribution of child pornography, and he also went to jail because he was doing deep fake AI porn. So it is not legal. A lot of people don't understand that.

It's already immoral. We've moved past that point, but it's also not really legal either. Yeah. So people need to recognize that. I think it's going to be also increasingly interesting to see what happens as it pertains to deep fakes outside of the adult space and what we're able to convince people that someone has done like like yeah like you can you can start i mean dude they're going to start putting weapons in people's hands it's it's it's a very wild it's a it's the next Wild West,

and some people are calling it the most clear and present danger as it pertains to truthhood that we are ever going to face. People get mad at people getting clipped out of context. How about you get clipped in context now, but you didn't even do it? You weren't even fucking there. It's not that's how the murder went down. You didn't murder anyone, but guess what? that's how the murder that's not how the murder went down you didn't murder anyone but guess what now you did like it's crazy my my six-year-old dad if he were to see that video i would never be able to convince him i didn't do it there and that's how that is that's the sad thing about all of this is that like okay

atrioc morbid curiosity sure whatever uh besides like seeing women objectively blah blah the problem like the biggest biggest biggest problem of all of this is that he platformed it and that's what is unforgivable to me because now when you google maya higa who has spent 25 of her life like years of her life for animal conservation when you google her it says deep fake porn she spent her entire life on animals and that's what happens when you Google her, it says deep fake porn. She spent her entire life on animals and that's what happens when you Google her now? It's fucked.

Like it's so fucked. I have multiple of my family members have reached out to me for the first time since I've started this career saying they've seen this about me. That's what they see of my career. I've worked so fucking hard

and now they know me because of porn. It becomes that misrepresentation that I talked about. Porn I didn't even make and it's like, dude, I love sex work. I just don't want to do it myself.

Yeah, that's fair. And why is it not an option for me? No, that's very fair. It's so sad. It's like, God, if I could make so much money, I'm sure,

maybe not so much, I could make some money. But you know what I'm saying? It's just like frustrating. Can I ask you to throw back the asking questions that like when you asked me one earlier, has there been any point where this made you feel more acceptable towards the idea of you doing it

in the future? Yeah, I was on the phone with one of the girls and I was like, why don't I just start selling this? Like, why don't I, I should just start selling, like i'll just sell the ai porn i'll just sell it of myself might as well make some money off of it like claim it yeah just sell it that's hilarious because i think i i know i i again like i know i was raised mormon sure so it's like even me being okay with sex work my whole family would be like what the fuck like um i'm not mormon anymore obviously but um i just it's just oh really oh really um how dare you but it's like i don't know it's sex work is

just not something i've ever personally been interested in by the way that's another so even after seeing it it doesn't make me feel like no the gateway gateway's been open and you shouldn't have to explain that that's well that's another topic of discussion too why don't you want to be a mechanic yeah it's like all respect to mechanics it's a wonderful way of life i just never but that's another thing that's another topic like just because you you can you can even feel like sex work is you can think it's not okay i don't even have that much of an issue with that that's i don't know i have no issue with that like you can have your belief but that does not give you the right to then go and disrespect or demean or think less of the people who who interact with

the space oh yeah does that make sense everyone is entitled to an opinion for sure and i and i back that completely like especially when their output is overarch overwhelmingly positive it's like they're just making content that people are consuming and i see it as in no way shape or form any different as long as it's done ethically i don't see it as anything different than like watching a fucking movie but because there's like real sex happening on screen people just like lose their fucking mind they can't see it that way they're like no it's different well let's yes correctly correct what you just said because it's because this idea that it's real but if you think about what you just said

there's they're completely against the idea of people make having sex making love whatever you want to call it on screen but the idea of watching someone carry out a mass shooting on screen is completely fine. And they'll say, you don't know how dangerous sex is. It's desensitizing the youth. It is creating an unrealistic expectation of what needs to be done in the bedroom. But then they'll go watch a movie about a warrior who murders a city when we have a massive violence problem in this country yeah and so the double standard that exists alongside the fact that porn continues to be the largest industry consumed by the people who are angry about it yeah it's

just a it's a it's a clusterfuck and i think to the point that. It's just a, it's a, it's a clusterfuck. And I think to the point that you, it's because it's sex. It's a, it's a constant struggle with, with masculinity, with democratization and women's ability to make money. There's so many factors at play. And,

and I will say this last statement on that will cover a lot of things that we talked about. The internet loves to simplify extremely complex situations. We are in headline culture. Everybody wants to know via TikTok or tweet what is happening. This is complex. This is very complex. It deals with religion, industry, women's rights, men's rights.

So the idea that you can make a blanket statement that is one sentence long to cover the adult industry, which is a $150 billion annual industry bigger than the MLB, NBA, and NFL combined is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It is a conversation that we're now having. But again, it doesn't matter because our social conditioning is so powerful. And if you were brought up in a super puritanical environment,

it's very difficult for you to like, if you're brought up in a patriarchal puritanical environment, you do not fucking see women as, as, uh, you know, as, as consenting actors in any meaningful capacity.

And you certainly don't like it when they take matters in their own hands and make money off of doing porn. Even if you consume it yourself. You turn around and you feel shameful by that consumption, and you lash out and you think like, you know, you just, you think that this is acceptable

and appropriate to just shit on women like that. I'm going to say the most controversial thing that has happened during this podcast. Well, that burrito was mid. The chips were fire. Disagree. Disagree.

Was waiting till we got off the heavy topic. Mine may be better. My specific one, maybe Hasan provided. We have not talked about food today. I'm happy to keep talking about the adult stuff because there's so much more meat on that bone as someone who has lived in that industry. And I wanted to talk about the humanization factor of it a little bit. That burrito was very, my my burrito was very good the steak was very tender on it usually you're

fresh usually you're rex you got them fat boy rex they're serious yeah the problem is don't say the names yeah what are you doing don't don't leak it beep bleep that out um the problem is i think it's very far away the restaurant so even if i get priority like it it gets cooler over um over that distance do you know my do you know what my food thing is obviously right or uh butter on toast that that was so wait you love butter on toast okay so i'll allow that that's that's actually the right connected about from an og standpoint you just made every night shift fan so happy so i originally every show that i did i had buttery toast but now you're a burger guy there you go perfect hey i'm on the motherfucker so i have the most viewed weekly burger review on the internet oh my god what a random thing okay and so every week i go and i on my channel, every episode I put out a new review

of a different burger place. First, if you don't bring me on one, you're a coward. Whatever you want. Second. I would be honored. Second. How are we feeling about Shake Shack? I give it an eight point.

It's at an eight flat now. It's out of the big, out of the triad. Where do you put five guys? Out of the triad. It's number one. I have it above. I have it above five guys. I have it above. I have it above five guys. I have it above In-N-Out.

This guy fucks. I just like what they create. So what I like to think of when I think of burgers is that the ultimate burger creates a concoction in your mouth. That is a mush of several of the ingredients coming together into this beautiful paste almost, right? Way to sell it oh I know a concoction of mush

yes so basically I know what you mean though you take a very you take a very buttery potato bun it mixes with a very high fat greasy meat

and an American cheese and a sauce that creates a concoction and I think that that burger Shake Shack does the best job from the triad standpoint for those three, right?

Now, trilogy, sorry. Now, it's nowhere close to the best burger in the world, which all of them are here in LA, which is crazy. Wow, that's convenient. What's your number one spot? I'm trying it. I'm trying it out, Will. Go for it. What's your number one spot?

So, ironically, the reason I was late today was because I was uploading on YouTube. And the upload from today has my new number one in it. What is it? San Antonio, Texas. A place called Last Place Burger. Ironically, it's in first place. It's called Last Place Burger. Took over the W from two Los Angeles spots, which were kind of neck and neck.

Burger Shiro on Beverly. Very good. Fantastic American Wagyu Smash Burger. Double patty. Oklahoma with onions on a sweet Hawaiian bun now Oklahoma is where you put the onions

in the patty before you flip so both wrong yes so their Oklahoma fuck yes their Oklahoma has both

I went to culinary school and you guys know way more than I do yeah and then there's a place called For the Win on Franklin which is fucking insane

I think I've heard. It is so good. But I mean, dude, LA, dude, it's like, I mean, you've got Window, you've got Heavy Handed, which was a truck and now it's a brick and mortar. You've got Love Hour. Herbs? Herbs does a great job.

I fuck with Herbs. You've got a lot of good burgers. Burger King. Burger King? Burger King of burgers. Actually, I'm going to keep it a burger. The worst burger of all time. I'm going to keep it a burger.

KFC started a burger i had a burger king burger because we did a uh uh like general fast food burger taste test right and now shake shack blah blah and we are going through them and i was like oh here comes burger king he's wrong that's it's so mid bro um like compared to compared to's, are you shitting me? That can't hold Pinch's jockstrap. I don't know why. I'm just really like... Maybe I was hungry. I'll tell you why I really like it in a second.

What was I even talking about? Burgers. Burger King. Oh, yeah. Burger King? Sneaky good. Sneaky good? No.

I thought it was going to be big dog shit. In Europe, Burger King's like a gourmet restaurant Like Davidson. Oh, that's nice. They have this thing called the long chicken there I'm like proud of Burger King So listen nice burger interlude, um Just last thing on the adult stuff. Yeah, let's get back back into it we don't we don't have to go too deep too deep talking about but you mentioned the uh humanization factor and i have girls on uh adult or sex workers on my in my content constantly i mean pretty much every other episode is either skybree or emily or you know on my content constantly. I mean, pretty much every other episode

is either Skybree or Emily or, you know, obviously my channel, as much as Logan gave me a platform, when I met Lana, I had 220,000 subscribers on YouTube. When me and her broke up, I had 2.5 million. Like it was, it's dramatic night and day, like crazy, right?

And a lot of them think that it's going to be this massive um like influx of new subscribers and new this and new that it in fact works more in the direction that you described it wow that's interesting holy shit i now know this girl i know her family i know where she's from i know what she likes to eat i know what she likes to do i cannot watch her do a gangbang now. That absolutely. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, because they see episode after episode. I guess I treat the artist differently than everyone else, okay? I have no qualms consuming this content. Well, they don't want you to.

I was a big Mia Malkova guy. I was a big Mia Malkova guy. So we had her in time. And then I hung out with her a bunch. Yeah, we hung out with her a lot. I did escape rooms with her. Yeah. I love the girl. I kissed her on the mouth. She's been in a lot of content. And then I hung out with her a bunch. Yeah, we hung out with her a lot. I did escape rooms with her. Yeah. I love the girl.

I kissed her on the mouth. She's been in a lot of content. And then I went back, you know, my bookmarks. And I was like, well, this has got to go. Right, right, right. I can't do this. You were early. Oh, yeah.

I forgot about that because we're like such good friends. Me and Malcova now. I literally one day was like, oh, yeah, you play a lot of World of warcraft she's like how do you know that i was like well and you're you mentioned um but yeah now that i know her it's like i i literally can't go back because she's like such a good friend of mine it's you know what it is i i think it's almost kind of like if i were to know an actor right and let's say i know the actor who plays joffrey in game of thrones right what a fantastic antagonist what a fantastic villain if i've had coffee with him if i've sat down with him even when he's doing his like yeah uncle bring me my

wine oh he's actually a great guy so that's unbelievable it's the same thing for porn where I'm like oh this is so this is a performance she's doing so good I'm so proud of her that pissed a chunk

of the industry off because I've always been like I would say like me and Adam obviously Adam has like he does videos

and I don't produce adult content I mean I do but it's just not on the internet Adam 22 oh yeah yeah yeah and so I made a statement recently content. I mean, I do, but it's just not on the internet. Adam. 22. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so I made a statement recently, and if I say something dramatic about the industry, they'll always bring it up, but I said that a lot of the girls, they're not as turned, this is no secret. They're not as turned on by the situation that you're watching as they claim to be. A lot of it is.

People were upset about this? So listen, so listen, I know know it's not like a secret but i'm gonna i'm gonna blow your mind it's extremely performative it's extreme and by the way david blaine not actual magic it's actually weird too because as someone who knows how performative it is when they try to bring that performative shit to my bedroom like in real life i'm like no please stop please stop like like you don't you don't have to tell me that you want to drain me you don't have to tell me that you don't i know that's why you're here i know like actually now that you've said that i don't really want you to be here like i just want to hang out with you having the time like i don't want you to drain me you don't need to do that

or talk about it like that yeah one it is one eye-opening moment for me at least was like when when my ex was like she just wanted to do missionary like that's her favorite that's what she always wanted to do and and it's like it's it's much more personal. And you're like looking into, you know, you're looking into one another's eyes. It's like way more personal. And it's funny because everyone always like missionary sucks. You know what I mean? Everyone's like, I fuck missionary sucks. It is the position.

Now, so I know I need more therapy, but I hate intimate sex. Well, you said this is a whole thing in one sentence. Yeah. I mean, but it's not just that, too. If you look at it mechanically. Now, you will meet a lot of girls that, sorry to get so in-depth on this. No, you're fine. You'll meet a lot of girls that you-

Oh, she talks about her gripper all the time. Okay. What do they say on TikTok now? What do they say, like bubblegum pink? Oh, I'm sorry. They just commented in the comments. Oh, we're not say on TikTok now? What do they say, like, bubblegum pink? Oh, I'm sorry. When we have... Oh, we're not allowed to say that

in front of my... She just got off a deep fake. I'll say, I watched some of the deep fakes and a lot of them were a little too...

Just kidding. I'm just saying. She does though. I do. I'm fine. No, I... She says she has no gaggers

and she's the throat goer. She's Deanna Trump. By the way, the funniest part about this is she has never talked about it in like sexual terms, but instead in like TikTok terms. No, literally. No, no, no. No, hypermedical. Her situation is medical.

Oh, is that? Yes. It's like Christmas, but with a pussy. Let's go. Let's go. She has vaginismus. She's like, yo, that deep fake is looking loose as fuck. I got it.

This is such a bad. What is the reason why you have a throat throat? An endoscopy without sedation. So I had to. She trained her throat. I had to literally train my throat. So I could get it without sedation because I'm so afraid of sedation. So I like to make fun of her and act like she's talking about how she has a fucking gripper.

Anyway, I'm the throat gold. Yeah, she's really just saying she's not a big deal. It not a big girl anyway so but i can pick up anything but there but there are like a lot of like a lot of girls who want to be on top to like finish right it's like it's generally more conducive to uh the the internal clitoral stimulation as well as. Clitoral stimulation based on like rubbing on her stomach or just the G-spot and how it hits that G-spot in the back. But missionary style is a very versatile position. It gives you a lot of options.

I know. I'm telling you, if I am not pouring sweat at the end of sex, I feel gross. You can do that for me. I feel gross. You can definitely do that for a missionary. You know what I feel like? I feel gross. You can do that from a missionary. I feel gross. You can definitely do that from a missionary. You know what I feel like? I feel like-

That sounds like a lot of work. I'm going to tell you some deep trauma. What are you doing? After sex, if it's very quiet, I feel like a cuck. No, have fun, bro. Have fun. Make jokes. No.

You're weird. No, make jokes. I feel like the- You know what I feel like? That's the best time to sneak out and make a little sandwich for yourself. What do you mean? Listen, no. I feel like the husband.

Make a sandwich for her, too. Yeah. I feel like Kevin James. I feel like the husband in a 90s sitcom who is, like, much less attractive than his wife, and she just placates him with sex, right? She's, like, the whole, like, Al Bundy, like, Can I please have a little sex yeah i hate that i hate that too i am a fucking silverback gorilla when we fuck we go to

war dude you need what is it what is it you need to put out a video this might be too much of a question because i know your girlfriend but what is your average like what's your average we don't have sex that much okay i was gonna say because that sounds like a fucking, you couldn't do that every day. No, I've kind of put it behind me. Oh, okay. Should have put it behind her. Now he's sad. But I feel, yeah, I feel gross.

That's so interesting. Yeah. I think, I think psychologically that comes from a performative spot too, I think. Oh, yeah. Well, can I be honest? Growing up as an ugly kid. Yeah. Fat kid with a fat cock,

that was such a place of confidence. You got a tournament game? Yeah. When I pull my dick out, it'd be like, oh, good for you. I see. I see. So a lot of my self-worth came from being able to lay dick down. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I see. I wasn't the tall guy. Yours is laying dick down. Mine was bringing cupcakes. Hey, you got to get it where you fit in. Yeah, you got your things. I didn't know I was going to be getting such like an intimate like revealing.

Oh, no. We're talking about something. Oh, welcome to the club. This is great. Behind the paywall is awesome. Yeah. I'm making the executive decision. We're going to put this as a free episode so everybody can see

what's behind the paywall. Whoa. I'm willing to donate some money to make it so you guys don't lose any or whatever. They're rich. They're fine.

Yeah, I like that even though I'll go out to the people. I like democratization, dude. This is a fun. Yeah, it's for, this is, we're making the decision

but it's March, the money that March is making really. Right. Yeah. He said it's, he said it's fine. The money that March is making really. Right. Yeah. He said it's, he said it's fine. He's going to suffer one week.

It's fine. The reason, well, the reason I brought up all the Atriox stuff is this is, this was why I was like the tea is because today I've been texting his wife. And I had to tell his wife that I am no longer interested in having any sort of relationship with either of them. Cause what do you do?

What do you do? What do you do? Is there a route back for them i don't know i think what's frustrating is because i had to do it's just like so ain't it's so angry anger inducing because like the first thing he did was go live and apologize to his stream and apologize to any of the women he paused his fucking stream and it's like what are you doing yeah that that apology was definitely a marketing monday l definitely emotional you know he's thinking and it's hard because we've been friends with this guy for years and i'm not good marketing can i ask a really difficult question yeah this is a very human question uh-huh that's fine this is kind of

like a christ-like does sin happen in the mind or does it happen in the action? If Atrioc had jerked off to the thought of these women or to their Instagram. Dude, I don't know. Is it as bad as the act of actively pursuing deepfake porn? Yes. It's worse when you pursue deepfake porn, 100%. I would say yes.

Yeah, it's definitely worse, but we could call my dad. He's in the bishopric if you want. You could tell. Imagine. he'd be like oh very difficult ethical question about no no i think i think again like i said i think i could forgive uh if he would have like called me on a tuesday and he's like hey i looked at this three weeks ago i'm so sorry i think i could find a place and like i could forgive him for that But the problem is that the platform and the wildfire that it's spread is just like, it feels so unrepairable at this point. And also me being like, like I jump in, I'm a, I want to fix stuff.

So I jump into action, even though I'm crying, I get all these girls that were as many as I could and I like DMing them asking if they're okay. And I'm telling HR, I'm like, I know this company. Cause I used to pay a company that cleans the website websites for photos of you yeah and i'm like you i i said to him i said you are paying for every single girl to get clean i said i'm like you're doing it 80 to 100k you have that kind of bread i don't care god damn that's how i feel is i i genuinely don't care because he caused the harm. He has to fix it.

But the problem is, is like, finally I got to this point and then like, you know, he apologizes and he sends me an apology. I said, why the fuck are you apologizing to me? You haven't apologized to Pokey. You haven't apologized to Maya. And I said, why the fuck do I keep telling you what to do? This is like, you can't say you're sorry if you're not doing fucking anything without me telling you to do it.

Like I'm done. I can't keep helping you. This is crazy. But I mean mean devil's advocate i agree with everything you say yeah he never intended to be the typhoid mary of deep of course yeah of course he didn't want to be i think i think we go into the classic intent versus execution conversation this is such a this is such a big conversation these days especially on the internet and like we know how law looks at it

but like we're still very much all exploring no fucked a lot we're talking about morality of the situation i know that but we're all very much exploring together like this idea of like intent versus execution what what is the what's the split i think intent i think intent only matters uh well they both matter uh when it comes to restitution like when it comes to acknowledgement of what you've done and if you truly are someone who is better than your actions or your weakest moments

I think they're both important from the perspective of like what can you do to make the situation better how can you offer restitution to the victims how can you undo some of the harm that you've caused whether intentionally or unintentionally that's it situation better how can you offer restitution to the victims how can you undo some of the harm that you've caused whether intentionally or unintentionally yeah you know what i mean that's that's it i think it's nice because he i mean he could have just said no he wasn't going to pay it

right he could have said that so at least he's he's going to pay it but it's just like it's so frustrating to have to be like okay so now i want to sue the guy so i've talked to three different lawyers trying to figure out how to sue the guy they're telling me not worth your time so now the only thing that i can do is try to create legislation so now i have to meet with my my state legislator to try to get a bill passed above all this i'm working on that oh really yeah i found my state legislator i'm gonna get it not not through your state legislator but because in california deep fake porn is already illegal oh really yes in virginia and california deep fake porn is already legal illegal um i am talking to aoc right now uh about it i could cry that's so sick i think the other thing about what federal

like legislation yeah like what what uh what can be done through the legislative body oh i think the other thing and this kind of goes without saying, but we do have a younger audience. If you are a young man, have questions about this shit, listen to women and see the real impact that it has on real people and try and remove yourself from the parasocial element of it and listen to these people and listen to them tell you that it's harmful. And, you know, it's not, don't listen to the takes out there that they're, they're public people, blah, blah, blah.

Listen to the women that it actually affects and you'll, and you'll learn a lot. I think, uh, the really hard thing about it is like the reason I went live crying was because I get that so often people being like, why does it affect them? I'm like, let me fucking show you. I'm also the last person who wants to hate this guy. I'm the last person who wants to dislike him. He one of my boyfriend's best friends he's only ever been so kind to me i love spending time around him i if anything i'm ostracizing myself more from like my boyfriend's friends because now i don't want to be around him i don't want to i don't

want to hate this guy i really don't i've i've loved him for years like years at this point i'm devastated and it's like what what do you want me to do though like how do you move on from that i don't know and maybe eight months from now you know emotions settle and something but i don't see it happening it's just like i just can't believe the shit that it's caused like it's just so much been a big story for the past it's like infidelity it you know even if you forgive someone it's going so much been a big story for the past it's like infidelity you know even if you forgive someone it's going to live in your mind well yeah and the interesting thing is is there's all these media outlets that reached out to all of the girls involved saying hey do you want to

do an interview a lot of the girls are like i don't want to do an interview because i don't want to further the narrative that i'm a part of this that makes sense but also without us doing interviews without more political outcry then you don't get bills. You don't get legislation passed because politicians don't have the motivation. Right. So so it's like I'm sitting here and I'm looking at this double edged sword. OK, I can take all interviews and they're very well-known media outlets that are asking to interview me. And I have like 12 interviews that they want me to do. I can take all of these and I can further my name in this or I could just get it to shut the fuck up and stop the Strezend effect and stop people from doing it like just shut up i could just shut up and when when it's almost

impossible to like take every website down you're you have to make that calculation in your mind where you're like do i really want to keep promoting this concept even so that other people are motivated to make more there needs to be more deep fake porn of legislators yeah maybe that'll get us right the fact that you just said that, I can't even imagine what's gonna come out of that. I think, like, I want a Mitch McConnell gangbang, you know.

Listen, by the way, this is parody. I'm being funny. Please don't do this. You're going to jail. I'm not even really on the show right now. I'm a deep fake. When they deep fake Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham on Lemon Party. On to Lemon Party.

Isn't it Lemon Party? The old men? I love Lemon Party. Sucking each other off. Oh, dude. Yeah, but I wouldn't be so sure that that was a deep fake. This is hyperbole. This is parody.

I think one of the cheesiest quotes I've ever seen in life, but it is true, where it's like probably my better option for my own career is just to shut up at this point. And it's like this silly quote that I've seen before that it's like the first time a woman bleeds isn't between her legs, it's when she's biting her tongue.

And it is. It's so exhausting. Who said that, Taylor Swift? It was Taylor Swift. She said, fuck you, John Mayer. I have a doormat of it now. Well, I think what you're going to have to do is measure impact on yourself, your life and your career, and the impact that you can have on a million other people.

Yeah, and that's what I'm doing. That's the sad thing. I am going to take all the interviews. I have like a whole day. And that's the other thing is I have to talk about this stuff. Oh my God. I have to talk about this stuff. Oh my God. I have to talk about this stuff for hours. Right?

Yeah. And it's like, but majority of the girls, a part of it declined because they, they can't, they can't. It's like swatting. I don't blame them. It's just like swatting. You don't want to talk about it because the more you talk about it, the likelihood of it happening to you, it gets, you know, a lot more likely.

It's just, that's just what it is um i make it a point to never talk about it until you know someone is uh openly deciding to reveal their stories and even then i don't talk about my experiences maybe i haven't maybe i don't you'll never know it's like this almost like this like digital manifestation like you talk about it yeah you know yeah it's a permanent fixture just like just like objectification of women and deep fake porn or cum tributes or a million different ways that like women are fucking constantly being objectified on the internet dude cum tributes oh my god no but i know i don't even know what they are to me i know for a fact and i like wipe my face i'm like i know for a fact you've i mean

look reddit refused to take these things down for the longest fucking time. Luckily, now they have. Hey, I helped get them taken down. No, I know. That's why I was bringing it up. I don't play in that space. That's a sandbox y'all can have. We don't want it. I don't go to that fucking place.

I don't visit that fucking place. Yeah, it's awful. No, it's great. It's the worst place ever. It's great that you're not visiting that place. You can definitely rally a cool community there for sure, but it seems just too much. Oh, it's so fucking degenerate, dude. I mean, r slash retro say

this is a retro say titties like he's talking about a specific type of boob yeah it's oddly specific it's like the it's like the hill the retro say to drop oh a teardrop yeah it's very looking at will with i was was trying to... Well, I was envisioning a teardrop boob, but I don't really know if I know what it looks like. I think I do. When they're kind of like pointy. Yeah, it's... You like that. In Ireland, it's known as a prim-looking stargazer. Oh, yeah. Prim-looking stargazer.

You know, there's a boob for everyone out there. I like all boobs. I've always been more of a fan of the Idaho potato. What's that? I just made that up. I don't fucking know, dude. I just came out. Bro, this guy is sneaky as fuck.

He keeps doing this. Random shit. I know it's not a pickle baited stargazer or whatever you call it. It's just a boob that's been rubbed in some dirt. Yeah. I love that. Put some sour cream on top of it. Dirt boob.

Buttery dirt boob. There was more I wanted to talk about. you're talking about swatting and you talk about it no no i mean just yeah no that that what i was the point i was trying to make is that like whether you talk about it or not it's just definitely going to happen regardless yeah it is just like swatting but when you talk about it the likelihood that it will happen more aggressively is is you know it just amplifies one of the worst takes i i saw on the internet is someone was like well these girls are upset because they're just insecure sexually and it's like okay so we are yeah so yes that yeah that's what i was saying so if we are insecure sexually why are we mad

at someone for being insecure? Right. Is that crazy? No, because that's minimizing it. It's making it seem like. You're right, it is minimizing it, but it's still like, why are we still bullying someone for having issues?

Because then they're saying you're crying and you're like, you shouldn't be. I'm going to be honest. I think that's the wrong take because I think I know women that do sex work that would probably be upset if they saw a deep fake of themselves yeah that's fair because of course because it's like wait a minute that's my

livelihood you're stealing from me which deep fakes do that's someone's body i should have had that 15 right they're stealing well they're not only stealing from you but the person whose body it is they didn't sign up to be a part of a deep oh shit oh yeah no you didn't i didn't sign up to be a part of a D. Oh, shit. I'll split with her. Oh, shit. Yeah, no, you didn't. I didn't even think about that. Imagine. Oh, my God, bro. Wait, that's actually so sad because the girl with that body, she probably, like, sees my face.

Yeah. And she can think the same thing. Maybe she has the same effect, too. She's like, damn. What do you mean? You felt me. I wish I had rosacea. Damn, there's a head.

Damn, they put the throat goat's face on my body. Yeah, what the fuck? So there's just like a fucking headless victim out there. Yeah, there's just a headless victim. Yeah, I don't know. Well, some of the girls, you could tell exactly whose body it was. Mine, I don't know whose body it was. Wait, was it, oh, some of them are like mashups?

No, it's like mixed. No, you can just tell if they have like a unique body. You just called it a mashup. Yeah, like what is DJ Girl Talk? You can just tell if they have like a unique body. You just called it a mashup. Or if it's like a famous point. Like it was DJ Gal talk. Bro, you have to understand. A certain part of this, all of this, whether it's this conversation or any of the other conversations. Dog, you said you don't go on Reddit.

That's why you have no idea. Bro, a lot of this shit is how willing are you to embrace the current chaos that we call civilization? Bro, like bro, this shit is getting crazy. Like, when I wake up in the morning and I look at, like, the things that are happening around me, sometimes I'm just like, you kind of just have to just, like, hold on. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yo, wrap your hand around the fucking reins, throw one hand back, and just ride that shit, bro, because this shit's getting crazy. Like, dude, they could have... Get back to the balloon, Mike. You know you want to talk about it. I was exactly going there. Bro, I was just about to say that.

You know you want to say it. I literally was just about to say that. There's a Chinese balloon. A Chinese balloon floating over my hand. We're taking our secrets. Those are our heat signatures. Yeah. Bro, that's exactly what I was going to say. It's such chaos right now,

dude. I know who's creating those deep fakes, by the way. Don't say the Chinese. Don't say the Chinese! It was some guy from like Iowa. Yeah, no. It's just, no. That shit's homegrown, brother. Oh, damn, bro. I would know if my face's homegrown, brother. Oh, damn, bro.

I would know if my face was on, like, Alexis Texas. Right, right. Which is kind of offensive that they didn't give me Alexis Texas. Are you an Alexis Texas fan? Who isn't? She's the ass goat. Yeah. She's podcasting nowadays, right?

Is she out? Yeah, she's got the Alexis Texas podcast. Alexis, have me on. There was a time and place when every porn star would, like, become a DJ. Now they're podcasters, which I think is better. Yeah. Overall. Yeah, I think there was a time there was a time and place when every porn star would like become a DJ. Now they're podcasters, which I think is better. Yeah. Overall. Yeah, I think that's hype. Some of them, bro, listen. Having spent time with a

lot of them, these girls are some of the coolest fucking people. It's like hanging out with your boys, dude. I know. I used to be the guy that went to the fucking AVN and the X-Biz Awards. I I mean, I skipped four years. I had gone in the past. I went this year just because we were in Vegas anyways.

We did the podcast. We did a podcast with Kyle. Oh, yeah. It was just convenient to go to ABN. There was no other. No, it's fire. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun.

It's a lot of fun. I was hungry. They were serving dinner. I shot some content. There were great apps. And honestly, dude, was i was i was shit how do i say this properly i was meeting new stars to that i can collaborate you were networking who are the who are the up-and-comers in the field okay so this is crazy but you're

like a scout i got connected with eva elfie who had just knocked lana off as number one oh interesting that was and friend of the pod friend of the pod yeah and so that was like i haven't met her she's awesome and she wants to take she wants to do a video where we go eat borscht oh yeah yeah because russian right she's dope so she was very cool doesn't speak a lot of english not very very much, which is why, uh, when I had, uh, Eva on,

I had her on alongside Nadia, the person who was escaping Vladimir Putin. It was easier to get on this podcast than you, Mike. Yeah. Grammy weekend. Yeah. Um,

so I met her. She was cool. Uh, connected with Angela white, which was cool. I'd never met her before. She, she was friends with Lana,

uh, in the past. And so met her, talked to her about cool. I'd never met her before. She was friends with Lana in the past. And so met her. Talked to her about Australia because I'm going there on Tuesday. So if anybody's watching this from down under, I'll be in Perth. I'll be in Sydney. She's an insane businesswoman too. She won 14.

I mean, dude, Angela is actually like the actual goat. So what I love about meeting porn stars, beyond the fact that they're very bro-y, because I think they're exposed to a lot of the libido and whatever, but I think it's really amazing to talk to people that kind of have a firsthand, almost like doctorate in human sexuality. And a lot of them, even without kind of perceiving it, have an understanding of what the male gaze is desiring,

like what they have to sell, like what an experience within sex, like what's fake, what's real. Their perspective on sex and relationship is so fascinating. Yeah. And for example, this is one other thing that many people don't understand. What you talked about was the difference between consenting and enthusiastic consent, which is like an ongoing debate in sex work circles as well,

where it's like you consent to going to your job, right? Every fucking day. You might not like it. You might not love it, especially when it comes to sex work, though. Most of the time when you're going into work, it's just another day at work. But like you enjoy it. You're just simply stating that you don't enjoy it to the degree where you're like,

Oh my God, this is the greatest orgasm of my life. Yeah. Like Mike said, you're not always going to get the greatest orgasm of your life and your sex drain you. Yes. That's very true.

I was actually up at one of their parties last night. I was at Kazumi's party last night. She had a party with, uh, Kaylee Garner, who I'm friends with now as well, and Kate, True Kate.

I have no idea who these, I've been out of the game. They're all big, I mean, they're all. I've been out of the game, don't know who these people are. Yeah,

yeah, I mean, I still go out occasionally, you know, and hang out, and they're just super cool people. They're just super cool people, and like,

final note on it for me is like, do not get along with normal people i do and this is like my biggest thing like it's so hard for me to relate to someone who's like four-year degree you know like poli sci you know okay bro chill like no no no no no guys fucking coming at me dude what the health and health and human i don't care yeah but like but like the idea that there's like that level of traditionality i have i cannot talk to you i'm sorry so when i meet these fringe poles of society and civilization just like you just said they interest me yeah i i think part of that experience is like you existed on the lunatic fringe for a while

right and i think when you are on the razor's edge like that you realize a lot of universal truths because you kind of see the the ridiculousness of normal life and how it's kind of equally ridiculous as the extreme 100 and so you have much less time for bullshit. And that's why I think, especially porn stars, they're so open. They're so candid that you can get a much more honest. The issue for me has been as I continue to age physically. Well, you look great. Well, thank you. But as I continue to actually age

and almost age out of a lot of things, especially because of the time that I missed in addiction, I have been trying to pull myself out of like a lot of things because of, especially because of the time that I missed in addiction, I, I have been trying to pull myself out of that. I've been trying to pull out of that, of that space a little bit, just because I really do need to, I really have been trying to start to get into the mindset of potential family. Right. And it's not, I know, I know. And it's not something that I ever thought of in my my life but i also never thought i was going to own a four and a half million dollar house i never thought that i was going to have a fucking disgusting by the way remember canceling it's fucked up you guys see that i love it i love it so people every every week people are still like you know assant's fucking rich right like well fuck that guy he's a rich social i'm like

motherfucker what do you want me to do like it's not like people keep giving me money dude i'm sorry all right well you know you're doing god's work but but uh but like now i i have been you know at least mentally exploring honestly you i don't know maybe it'll happen to her or has but my my both my sisters have very young children now and my little sister especially has this, oh my God, uh, baby Sloan, my niece and cutie boots, dude. I just, just the light in her eyes and spending time with her and how she is always smiling at me and just like being connected to that that innocence in life and that that

that unrelenting uh like on enthusiasm it's just like i feel nothing when i see children so i was like that up until the up until i had my until it was in my bloodline dude until i i look at my little baby cousins i'm like yo, you motherfuckers are no content, dude. It's like, I try to talk to them and they're just like shy or weird. And I'm just like, dude, come on, just give me something. I already put both of them in the content. When I went home, the first time I felt really cool about having money, I took my two nieces who I fucking love to the Lego store. Nice.

And they were kind of like looking around and they're like, you know, what can we get? And I was like, get in. And they grabbed like the fattest set and they were like, is this okay? And I was like, yeah.

And some other kid, some other kid was like, I wish I had an uncle will. And my nieces were like going crazy in the Lego. That was the first day ever where you didn't have to rely on your tuna can. I can't feel cool about life. I life i can't i can't do that because my uncle spoils the shit like spoils the shit out of my cousins so like i can't get him shit dude they got everything it sucks it sucks i'm always like what do you want to disney on ice yeah i was gonna say you

have to actually rely on quality time you have to rely on time. He's like, no, I can't buy it. No, that's too much work, dude. I'm going to bring him on and have a tars political conversation with him. No, I was the cool one when I linked them up with Mr. Beast. When they met Mr. Beast over FaceTime, they fucking lost their mind. I've been riding on that for a while now. Mr. Beast. Dude, it's JV, bro.

Legend. Well, guys, we've said it all. Had Mike here for a while now guys we've said it all had Mike here for a long time I've done it Mike he's going on stream afterward I have elected to make this free we will make it up to our patreon yeah I don't make money we will oh cuz I talked about the shit yeah I'm fine it's all the truth it's not like... The truth. I feel like I was just telling some stories and also being human and being like,

I'm confused because that guy was my friend and I'm confused. Yeah, good luck. Thank you. No one is going to view you from the lens of you being honest. They will. They will hate me.

Yes. And I am a sociopath for having reactions. Actually, that's not true. Our audience won't do that. No, no, no. Someone will take a shot. I feel like... I. Actually, that's not true. Our audience won't do that. No, no, no. Someone will take a shot. I don't even want to go back. You don't want to go.

Yeah. I was just going to say, I feel like you're like, like pretty in the clear on this one. Like no one's saying anything. Oh, am I? Mike, let me, Mike, let me introduce you. Let me introduce you. Let me introduce you to being a woman on the internet. Yeah.

It's rough. A few people were even in like, my boyfriend does these things called mogul males. Oh, I've seen them. Yeah, and there's a few people in the comments. Yeah, he's a right-wing guy. He's awesome. He believes in a lot of things.

No, there are people in the comments being like, man, she's such a narcissist for making this about her. And I'm like, no, no, no. I'm just the only one that's willing to talk about it openly. Like, that's it. Like, I'm just the only one that's willing to talk about it openly like that's it like i'm just the only one that's who should it be i think they want it to be about like mostly pokey and maya um got it but also like my photos were on there that is someone that is close to us that is someone that's violated my trust these are photos that have circulated everywhere i am very affected sorry it's been miserable your best friend maya's my best friend and i'm willing to uh talk about this and other girls aren't and so i feel like i do need to be

the one that's vocal because i'm willing to be that vocal one so i'm trying to do it's not only for myself it's for a lot of other women and that's i don't i don't like want to be vocal but it feels like my only option um and so that's i don't i don't like want to be vocal but it feels like my only option um and so that's why i'm doing it that's why i'm being so vocal about it because like i said i don't want to hate this guy i never wanted to hate this guy i've he was a best friend for a long long time so it it hurts a lot to be the one that's like you know talking about it more and not letting the story end but it's because we have to do something to stop it in the future yep though all right well on that note so this is a free episode thank you for coming this is the kind of yeah this is the kind of juicy content that you'll be able to

get behind a paywall at patreon.com to our patreon subs we'll make it up to you with cuties toes uh okay um but mike tremendous pleasure having you on. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it, dude. You were an incredible guest. And from the first time I talked to you, I knew what a legit human being you were. So it's good to get to pick your brain and to have you on.

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