Fear& - Politics, Fantasy, Parenting & Improv w/ Brennan Lee Mulligan | Fear&

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

We are back with another incredible episode, this time joined by the legendary Brennan Lee Mulligan! The lads cover a wide variety of topics from DnD, politics (or as i like to call them, politricks), parenting, improv comedy and more! Hope you enjoy okay love you bye ♥ ✨WATCH THE SECOND HALF ON PATREON✨ Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/FearAnd 🎧 AUDIO PLATFORMS 🎧 🔊https://linktr.ee/fearand ❤️ follow our guest! ❤️ Brennan: https://www.instagram.com/brennanleemulligan ❤️ follow Fear&! ❤️ Hasan: https://twitter.com/Hasanthehun Will: https://twitter.com/TheWillNeff QT: https://twitter.com/QTCinderella Austin: https://twitter.com/Austinontwitter Marche: https://twitter.com/Marche Fear&: https://twitter.com/FearAndPod Chapters - 00:00:00 - there it is 00:01:24 - you will never be as good as us 00:04:11 - why did they choose Colorado of all places 00:05:02 - not wanting to be alive because I wasnt able to be in the room when this was filmed 00:07:34 - selling out the MSG 00:08:25 - whats the consensus of society 00:10:39 - we have a segment around here called explain that joke 00:12:46 - whoa where the heck did these politics come from 00:17:16 - Shopify 00:18:20 - austin confirms that he will never be a dicktaker 00:19:22 - how do you get behind insane things (genuine question) 00:23:20 - supply side jesus 00:26:30 - how do I kill this feeling of empathy 00:30:00 - lets crack into these chicago famous donuts 00:34:02 - AG1 00:35:30 - the absolute most horrific makeup ever 00:37:58 - TONY HAWK MENTION TONY HAWK MENTION 00:38:40 - hey tony i like the things you do, hey tony! were also sorry too 00:40:11 - the dei hire that stuck 00:42:30 - how does bro always have so much info to give 00:44:32 - i believe I am in the company of childless men 00:47:20 - we are now a parenting podcast 00:50:30 - name one father 00:51:20 - i want kids one day but i dont really like them 00:54:11 - this is one of the best things ive ever heard 00:58:43 - H H H H 01:01:01 - wait what?! #hasanabi #brennanleemulligan #podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

And may I ask, I assume this is true, but I believe I'm in the company of childless men. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. You would. Jesus Christ. He just dagger that. I have two cats.

He's flexing his semen on us. Yeah, cool. Not the same, but cool. It's not. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another fantastic episode of the Fear and Podcast. We are joined by actor, writer, comedian, among many other things, Brennan Lee Mulligan. Oh, shucks. Thanks for having it.

Well, it's good to have you. Thank you for joining us. It's very early this morning. Yeah. Yeah. And we appreciate you joining us at this hour. It's really delightful. It's a crazy, well, it's a crazy month.

So I'm glad that everything was able to line up. I don't want to blow up anyone's spot. But Hassan is sitting on gold from before we were rolling. Do we need to open up for this bit right now? It's not even that good. No, come on. Come on, Assam. You need to open up for the bit right now?

I think we should. It was not even going to be a bit. And that's the reason why I did this whole like spiel about how untalented I am. And that's why I wait. And then he had to wrote me into it. He's like, I'm untalented and so is Austin. No,

you're untalented. No, you're a really weird way to pay a lovely compliment to Will. He got left out of the crossfire. He is very talented. We can't even deny it. So that's like, I've given up trying to undermine that side of him.

He's so talented. I get on camera sometimes. I'm like, I'm a loser. You know what I mean? He makes me feel really bad. about myself sometimes. That's the, that's why we do it.

We do it to drive other people into the dirt. I get to push down, my friend. I feel like that's his, I feel like I don't think he does that on purpose, but I feel like his natural inclination is to. It's really, I, he's so talented. I've had a couple people come up to me in terms of doing like tabletop role playing.

To me, it's, I appreciate actor, writer. Right. A lot of people maybe know my work as a dungeon master on my doing performed Dunnus and Dragons. Yes. And it's always wild to come up when someone's like, I watch your show.

I'm ruined and I'm like that's not why I want you to do well everyone does well we all do well together I can never do fantasy imagination again you know I mean we joke but at the end of the day like I do find that being on camera

and doing things with people that are so skilled such as yourself make you a better make you better you know I never really understood it until you know so how come I've gotten worse year over year that's true around both of you guys I've played Dungeons

and dragons with him before and it was not very whimsical this is fascinating wasn't much imagination also like I think wasn't the people that we played we were like monsters

yeah yeah they turned out to be like not very good people and this was many years ago I feel like if we could make a a campaign with like geopolitical things hidden in it like very obvious references to current political situations

you would get super involved I'd lock in ultra instinct like it's like if you the extra judicial killing of gnomes at the border or something. Look, if you, if you merged somehow, like, I don't know, hearts of iron or something with Dungeons and Dragons,

and then it was like, I don't know, it was a campaign about, like, restoring the USSR. Like, I would be, I would die on for a lot, you know. We did a season of the show that was a set in a magical version of New York City where the second season was pretty much about Amazon trying to open a shipping center in Queens. And that was the, that was sort of the long and short of. that season.

So who was the AOC that took it took it down? Well, it was a bunch of magical. It was a, it was a drug dealer living in Brooklyn

who was also a dream sorcerer. It was a 55-year-old Harlem ER nurse who also spoke for the people of the city. Pretty sure my drug dealer calls himself a dream sorcerer as well.

It's good to take references from your real life. Yeah, that's important to do that. But now, the joke wasn't even really a joke. I was just going to say Colorado's donuts.

Thank you so much for bringing us Hey, you got it. Yeah. And the only thing I was getting is like, it's not like Colorado is known for donuts. No. Oh, man. He's stupid.

He's stupid. Yeah. I thought it would be an interesting conversation starter to be like, why did they choose Colorado of all places if they're going to be like a donut place? Now, unfortunately, we have walked into a really clean explanation, which is it's Colorado Boulevard, but which does kind of kill the conversation, stone cold day. I can't believe you've done it. I'm going to kill myself.

This is a great start. We have one of the most anticipated guests of all time. Everyone's constantly sharp. It's been years, by the way. But even before you did this, yeah, even before you did the sin eater bit, which we will look at in a second, because I think it dovetails nicely into like every, the state of affairs right now, which I want to talk to you about. People were always like, you got to get Burnley Molligan out.

And I was like, I don't, like, no disrespect, because I'm not like very big into Imagination or fun or well. And more so just like very, yeah, very into just like how horrible everything is in the world. Right. And I'm just so dialed in on that stuff. But, but I was, I was like unaware, but everyone was constantly like, you have to get Sky on.

I was a big fan. And then I, yeah, I'm a big fan. And fans as well of all of our communities have been demanding to have you on. So I'm glad that this finally. worked out. Dude, it's what I'm, and now I'm embarrassed

because that was the opener bit. That's what you saw. You know what, dude, I should have not told the truth. I should have, we should have gotten into a really deep.

I think the owner's from Colorado. Dude, it's crazy. Actually, they tried to name it after all other 49 states first. Yeah, the owner actually despises Colorado. And it was a clearance thing.

It was like there was 49 other donuts spots on the block and they just had to go with Colorado. That's very, I appreciate the kind of words, man. That's very cool to hear. I feel like the truth is, and I feel like this is maybe something that you guys are from, have a lot of ties into like Twitch community in that space.

I think what's happened is just that knowing about people has become harder. Like the internet has created these siloed media ecosystems where like, I can't tell you the amount of people. Like it's not unspricing from me to hear you say that in terms of like people request you on the show, but I'm not tapped into that world. Like the amount of people when we showed up, So, like, last year around this time, we were getting ready for a show at Madison Square Garden.

Yeah. We sold out. That's incredible. I wanted to know about that. And we rolled up and, dude, these like 55-year-old teamsters that work every show at the garden who are watching lines around the block.

People dressed like half Phoenix Wizards. Yeah. This guy who's like this super New York guy was like, so what do you guys do? You guys play blog games? I thought you were going to say, I thought you were going to say he was a fan. I was going to be like, hell yeah.

Well, that's the crazy part, too, you then you do the show and you watch these dudes who are unimpressed by every you come out. And if you can get one of them to crack a smile, we got a couple of the dudes

like the security guys working to crack a smile and you're like, that's the win for the night. We got that guy who has no root in this world at all. Dude, the classic New Yorker throwing shade without even meaning it.

Like you play some dumb board games. I saw the boss play here. Yeah, it was crazy. We talked, there was someone who's running the merch there because they were like, you know, it was like,

oh, there was a line, like intermission. there's this crazy line to get merch. And this is like, one of our crew members was like, yeah, she was saying more often than not, if they don't recognize the name

on the billing for that week, that's going to be their craziest night. That they're like more often than not, it's like, oh, it's some weird children's entertainment from Australia and another weird act from the internet over here.

And you're like, that's going to pack the house and sell out everything. It's like, that's the world we're living in, man. Weird, weird celebrity and niche silos. Yeah. Yeah. But speaking in these silos, I feel like there's a, you know, there's definitely a downside to it. Well, and I feel like people get, uh, totally locked in to these echo chambers. I can't believe I'm using terminology from like 2016 that right wingers would use, but like it has become that reality now where, uh, there is no, there's, there's no contention at all where everyone is just like, there's no consensus reality. Everyone just goes along with whatever biased framework to there are.

operating off of and let's just start with the scene eater clip because it was one of your latest clips that you reposted when you were talking to Adam Ruins everything Yeah, man. Also friend of the show And apparently you have

You have a very wonderful and poetic way of describing Yes I saw did you make that thing He's like You want him to watch a clip about About you? Well we're introducing him to our audience

Oh, you're in the clip, too. This is your reaction, Hassan. Oh, wait, that's just my reaction. I just play the raw one from his, whatever. Yeah, it's. All right, you can just, like, play it afterward. I mean, bake it into the video in the edit. Hassan Piker, the fact that he is so, you know,

the other top streamers around him politically are, like, all conservative. Yeah. He is truly, like, a sin-eater for the world. Just like, I'm just looking at, like, this is, he has, he is, like, the ones who lift weights in OMA, loss. He is like fucking... I know what you're talking about. Yeah, no, we've cursed him to sit in that room, sit in that little room of his and watch MSNBC all day long, 10 hours a day. He makes 150 grand every time he does it, but he cannot leave his little room. Yeah, what is he doing with

the 150 grand? He's got to be in front of the computer for eight hours again tomorrow. The rest of the house is empty. Grabbing kids on the way to the Manosphere alt-right pipeline and shunting them off into the left. Like, no, no, get back. Get back. The coverage of him is so funny where it's just like all of these reporters are going and like, can this one jacked man in this little room change politics? Is this the new? Like, no, this is just this is just one guy who's trapped in behind a camera. I don't know how he doesn't freak the fuck out at mainstream reporters being like,

this one man stand against the forces of reactionary conservatism. And the fact that he doesn't go, help. Somebody else do this. I didn't really fully understand the reference that you. were making in the clip, so I wanted to ask you about it. It's like, you said sin-eater and I got that. It's so sick to be invited on a podcast to be like, explain that joke. What's up? What does you mean by that? You said that about me. Here's the thing, though. Everyone understood it and they were pogging. They were going crazy. But I felt like I was, you know, a little lost

there. It's really, well, it's cool to, I don't know, man. It's like, it's a little bit fun. And there's a nice part of it because you feel like there's this broad, hopefully increasing coalition of people that are creating content online and trying to speak to culture and talk about the big elephant in the room, which is that this level of exploitation and capitalist fucking oligarchy is not sustainable. And it's very cool to comment that from a bunch of different angles. So I'm coming from the deep nerd, the deep, deep nerd angle on that. So the ones who walk away from Omelas is a short story by Ursula K. Le Guin, who wrote A Wizard of Earthsea, which is one of the seminal fantasy texts.

She's an incredible, she is, as the youth would say, incredibly based. She, I think there's a, I could be misattributing this, and I'll look it up and feel very bashful if I am. But she's, I believe quoted is saying, like, we are resisting the might of capitalism. Its might feels inescapable. So too to the divine right of kings. Like these things that felt inescapable to resist one day. I love that comparison.

I've, like, you talk. Talking about making a comparison between monarchy and capitalism, I think is very easy to help liberals come to terms with exactly what's going on. Yeah. Where if the divine right of kings was the lie that people believed, like, that the God had ordained this king to be the ruler of the land, I think under our current examination of justifying capitalism, it's meritocracy. where people go, well, Elon Musk is working a lot harder than everybody else, right? Or he's working a lot smarter than everybody else, right? And that's why he kind of deserves it. Yes, and this is what I believe, too.

For a long time, I was like, you know, I've known him for a little bit. And over the time that I've known him, I've, you know, I've started to, you know, my image of America and my patriotism has just collapsed completely. You know what I mean? Like, I used to, I used to be a hand on the heart, you know, jets flying over the stadium. USA, USA. And all of a sudden now I'm just like, oh my God, my entire life I've been lied to. And all of these capital owners are hoarding the wealth away from me.

And I've been trying to join them the whole time. Now you realize those jets are on the way to Venezuela after the flyover. Yeah, it's just like, in a weird way, like the Trump administration is so like, like, it's so fucking nakedly evil. Yeah, like nakedly like on the nose about it. And then now I look back historically and now I put it into this context. It's like, oh my God. There's that, there's the line from Andor.

that's like increasingly relevant recently, which was the, you know, Mon Mothma going like, like they don't even bother to lie bad anymore. You know what I mean? It's like. That's how I felt after. It's just cartoonishly evil.

It's almost like a, like what is it? This was early 2000s. There would have been like a few weeks of lying before, you know, like there would have been. That's like, the Colin Powell, like, still went to the United Nations

and like brought a vile and made it seem like they had WMDs when people knew that it was bullshit, but like at least someone was trying. Not to say that that was good. I remember having, like, my very first protest as a kid was protesting the Iraq war. Yeah. Having a sign being like, this is for oil.

And it's wild to 20 plus years later have J.D. Vansko, you understand this is for oil, right? Like, he's just fucking, he's like, well, you understand how much oil they have. We have to go get it. Well, J.D. Vance was the arm actually, like, he's, he's, he's, he's, Mr. Reddit and I fucking hate him for it. Because, like, he'll both do that. Like, he'll do the thing where, like, he has to be, you know, pro-Trump. So he's obviously going to go out and be like, we're, we got our, we're, our dicks are hard.

Our military's hard-dicked. You know, we're doing it. We're fucking going out there and we're taking it away. Yeah. But then, but then he will turn around and be like, um, technically there's a legal reason for why we're doing this guys. And a lot of you don't understand it. It's like, you can't have it both ways. You can't be like this fucking.

You can't have a hard dick. Yeah. Pick his side, brother. Like, he's always trying to go between the two because he's a fucking Yale graduate who despises the Appalachian region. I think the one thing that is the most disheartening to me is the American government

used to have to do its own propaganda. Now there's an entire economy of people that will do that for them. And spin it in so many ways because people want the life. For free and after the fact. For free and after the fact. And there's a, there's a, like, massive community of people that consume that, that rhetoric almost says entertainment.

And I, that's like the crazy thing is how we've gotten there where people almost know it's theater. Yeah. Like they know they're watching a heel in the WWE or whatever. But they're still like, tell me how America's winning, baby. Yeah. It's so fucking frustrating because these people used to be the lowest part of society. And we used to, we used to see these people and be like, Like getting a fucking locker nerd and put him in the toilet and give him a swirly.

And now they're fucking running the biggest podcast in the nation. We have a theory. He is in a totally different life. He would be Uday Hussein. How do we get here? We're very fortunate that he was a gay man from Portland, Oregon who, you know, struck gold with this stuff. But he would have been a dictator. Brennan, you have to understand, I would never be a dictator.

The sort of like soft swab gravel in your voices you said that really upset and frightened me. I didn't like that one. If I did come into immense power. Don't I was saying come into immense power. If I did, if I did come into immense power, I would, I would do so with grace. And I would, everybody, the hands. I'm telling you. This worries with this words.

Like a balcony is materializing in front of you, basing a conversation. I put my face on a few murals and, you know, but like, you know, but I would, I would totally like, I would totally treat me with respect. Everybody would love me. You are really. I believe I would. Hassan. Austin. Austin.

You're an enterprising, industrious young adult that's actually super old as a matter of fact. You are one foot in the grave at this point. Excuse you. Have you decided to up your industrial output? course, Hassan. There's nothing I like more than a small business. Yeah, that's right. And guess what? I as a small business owner, the backbone of the American economy, like to use Shopify. That's right. Shopify is the backbone of the ideology dot shop merchandise commerce platform. And we use Shopify. Why? Because it's easy. Now you can sell your little gay stuff. I don't know what kind of gay shit you'd be selling.

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this exact same thing. And he immediately will start defending himself. and it reveals that he 100% is it. I would never be a dictator, which is so funny. The people would love. I'd give everybody health care. That's what I would do. Well, that's lovely.

I would do that. I'd say, you know, I'd say daycare, free daycare. But it is. To your point, I have to fan me. What's wrong with a massager tube? You know what? If all, if the whole deal with your regime is just that you get some massages, I'm in, man.

I mean, if we get health care, yeah. Cappuccino with a single shot, eggs Benedict, crispy muffin. And if they make a mistake. No, I would never kill anybody. Unless they, you know, obviously deserve it. Maybe they're firstborn just to move a point, so they never make that mistake yet. I think we'd all, you know, if you came into immense power,

I mean, you wouldn't say no to it, would you? Again, it's come into, this whole thing of coming into immense power. It just feels like a needlessly... Come into a little power. Come into a little power. I think, yeah. Well, it's really funny to talk about like, I don't know, just what you were saying before

about the idea of how, like, there's this new apparatus. It's crazy to watch people see something unhinged. And you watch, I love now in this, especially this in Trump too, the like the gear turn moment where someone has to figure out why they like this. Yeah, like watching someone who was like,

I don't know, eggs are expensive, be like, yeah, man, I fucking hate Denmark and love conquering Greenland. And just the gear spin of figuring out, How do I get behind this nakedly insane thing? Extra gay! Yeah! Extra gay!

It's crazy, man. Literally. I deal with this on a daily basis on Twitch because it's like the most interactive medium yet. And I don't even want to know how much more interactive we can get, honestly. I hope this is where it stays at, but I suspect it's probably going to move beyond it where you can touch the content creator directly eventually in the next stage. Because like, think about it. There's never been a time in,

there's never been a time on this planet where you could watch the television and tell Anderson Cooper he's gay and to shut the fuck up and then he hears you and he actually responds to you, right? But that's Twitch as a medium. And because of that, I get to see people change their minds

in real time. I get to see propaganda as it's being designed in real time being put together. And yesterday's horrifying incident with the 37-year-old Renee Good, getting shot and killed in the middle of the street in her own neighborhood by an ICE agent who should not have been there. I saw people genuinely go from, yeah, this seems really bad.

I actually watched the footage. Like, I've always been a supporter of ICE until this very moment. This is my last straw, I think, to then get bullied back into submission and to whip themselves into a frenzy and go, by the end of the day, oh, actually fuck around and find out like she deserved it. Which is just frank cruelty. I mean, there is nothing,

there is nothing redeemable about this position. Yeah. Just cruelty for the sake of cruelty. It's a nightmare, man. And I think you do watch the, the, there's a lot of like, what ends up getting leveraged against people when you see that like,

no, no, no, get back in line, get back in line. This isn't how we feel is literally, people leveraging, not believing the testimony of your own eyes and ears as you watch something nakedly evil happen. But also it's like, well, what if you lost your community over it? What if you didn't get to keep your identity? What if changing your opinion on this meant that you lost the people that you go to these rallies with and you lost that said. And it's so obvious that there's, it's hollow. Because if that's the last thing that you're resorting to is, hey, don't change

your opinion to be moral, you might lose everything that you hold dear. Yeah. That's fucking rough. What's so, what's the craziest thing to me, and people talk about this all the time, but the parading of Jesus Christ in the name of all this crazy shit. Like yeah, like Jesus would have shot somebody in the face and been

like, yeah, fuck around and find out. Like Jesus would have done that, you know? Jesus would hate immigrants. Yeah, famously would have deported immigrants and, you know, killed them and wanted no health care. It's got to be so rough for him up in his father's paradise. looking down and being like,

being like, here's the thing, man. Immigrants and poor people, I did touch on a lot. I really covered that well. It's one thing if you're- I washed lepers. I was so clear about this. I literally said, like, treat the foreigner as yourself. I swear to God, I covered that in the sermon.

Yes, and he brought-in. Okay, counterpoint, have you ever seen Al Franken's supply-side Jesus? Oh, no, I haven't seen this. Okay, well, you're a student of comedy. We have to pull this up, March. And I think you will really appreciate this. So Al Franken made comics back in the. He's a comedy writer initially before he became a politician who then resigned in disgrace.

But we're not going to get into all of that stuff. But he had a really funny bit where he called it Supply Side Jesus. And it's a comic strip that goes into detail about how like Christians in America, under the prosperity gospel, operate. One of my favorite bits is when he refuses to cover the lepers because they're outside of their network of coverage.

Bring me this king of the Jews that I might meet him, this supply side Jesus. Anyway. Yeah, this is great, man. This is exactly like, but that's the funny thing. We were talking a second ago

about the idea of, you were mentioning like the jets flying over and something you were talking about, meritocracy, which is like, it's funny because that's a cultural principle that like undergirds capitalism, the idea that like this has to. And its roots are in Puritanism. Its roots are in like the Calvinist idea of predetermination, which is this concept of, you know, like, oh, how are we going to make sense of the fact that some people have everything and other people have nothing? And if you take this kind of metaphysical aspect that exists in some forms of Protestantism, which is

God's already picked winners and losers. God's actually already picked the people that are bound for heaven, people that are not. And your station in life is an indication of how blessed you are by God. So there are people that really go, you're rich, God must love you.

Which is the most warped. Because what it does is it causes you to have more compassion for the people who need it the least and less compassion with the people who need it the most. And it's baked into a lot. It's like, it's deep in the history.

Americans especially have prosperity gospel brains and they've, it's completely warped their consciousness. You just brought up the fact that it gives you the most compassion for those who need it the most, or no, those who needed the least. But the inverse of that also is if you're poor, you're morally inferior. Yes,

or you must have deserved it. You're broke. And that's where this attitude comes from where like, that's where this anti-collective attitude also comes from. That's where our like hatred for homeless. people also comes from as a collective and we're just like, oh, they kind of deserve it. They did something wrong. They must have done something wrong.

They're doing it to themselves. Yeah. It's really, really devastating. I think it's moral poison in general. And I think that's part of the reason why no amount of collectivism ever sticks in this country. And that's why people are like freaking out about Zora Mumdani even, you know, in a sweet thing.

We must do away with the, the coldness of rugged individualism, and we must embrace the warmth of collectivism, and everyone lost their minds on that. And like that's the thing is there are a lot of traditions that do say the opposite, you know, like there but for the grace of God go I,

that sort of embrace that idea of like, oh, there's a, like, no, I can have sympathy for someone in a worse situation than I'm. And I think that like, it's important to, in the conversations we have about politics, to also like talk about culture, which is really like the thing that, you know,

it's like a terrifying quote because it's from Steve Bannon, but that thing he said about politics being downstream from culture that you have to deal with people's hearts. And if people have... I'll be honest with you doubt. He was just, he was aping Gramsci.

Yeah. He was just stealing. That's all he was doing. Yeah, but it's true. And it's the Gromshi, like, a quote is that is correct, which is that idea of like, you look at people's ability,

to like, if you have in your heart this idea of like, oh, when I look at people that are going through a hard time, it makes me feel morally sad and I'm agitated by looking at someone in crisis. And some people go, I should address that problem in the world. And some people are like, how can I stop feeling bad? Like, what's the fastest route? How do I kill this feeling? How do I kill this feeling of empathy that's making me in pain in this moment? Sure, yeah.

And I think that's the wrong way to go about. I think there's also an honesty in all of this. I don't know if you're familiar with the Chapo boys at all, Chapo Trapp House. Matt Christman calls this Zen fascism. Yeah. Where he has this incredible assessment where he went to like, he was doing mushrooms at, I think it was like CPAC or something, where he realized that the conservatives were actually, you know,

recognizing or we're more honest about like our place, our station in society as like a part of the labor era. aristocracy in the Marxian terms as in like being in the heart of empire we are benefiting from the imperial super profits in some ways we're benefiting by not being under the boot you know and instead being here so that is a tremendous benefit and that Republicans are constantly demanding like why do you care like just stop just just be ruthless be cruel because like we're all benefiting from this you have a fucking iPhone you also are are you know a recipient of all of this this imperial bounty And it is a brilliant assessment.

And there is a little bit of honesty there as well because like it does make you feel crazy where you if you don't block out all that noise at certain points, you do go, what the fuck am I doing? Like this phone that I have in my pocket is actually only a, this one in my, this one in my, this one that I have in my pocket that is incredibly important to me that I can't fucking live without would not exist if it wasn't for the, the unimaginably exploitative practices of, of, you know, know, mining conflict minerals and refining them overseas with this incredible system that we've designed. So maybe we should just stop, we should just stop resisting against that all together. Like, we should just know our station and, you know, enjoy the show. Yeah. It's, you know, it's like you have an injury in your body and there's some, there's some people that are always going to go like, God, this injury, take some painkillers. And you're like, well, let's fix it. Or let's like heal the wound or heal the injury.

And a lot of people just go, that's hard or I don't think that's going to happen. It's not possible. Yeah, not possible. You know, which is why you almost always find that reactionary mindset within like, this is the way it is. Right? And it's like that's almost always going to lead you down a bad path. We should crack into these donuts because I am super.

You're hungry. I'm hung. Yeah, of course. Well, at the end you, I was like, if you want some food, I can get you something. I'm so sorry. You know, sometimes he doesn't. doesn't host well. No, not at all.

And, oh, shit, this looks Oh my God. Yeah, this is not like a gourmet, like we're experimenting with the form of donuts. I think, I think this is a classica. Classica. Yeah. Now, does this sugar one have filling in it,

or is it fillingless? Thank you. Some filling. That's a filling. That's a feeling. That's, I think, a classic Eclare, or maybe a, or maybe a, that's a filling boy. Okay, that's a filling. Is this sugar one a filling or is that just a pure shri-glazed?

Glazed. That's the most basic, that's the goaded basic. I like a simple donut. Yeah. Is that okay? Can I indulge in a simple? No, you know what you take it first? Austin, I'm not going to judge.

Or conversely, if it's more fun, I'll judge heavily. Oh, dude, this sort of like a Myers-Bray where the donut you picks that. You being the guest, you should pick first, I think. Wow. All right. Oh, he brought the donuts. Let's just eat one of the donuts. You're the recipient of the donuts.

Excuse you. I'm trying to be polite. Wow. These are two very different thought processes. on these donuts. Yeah, what do you think? Yeah, there we go. Perfect.

Thank you. Oh, look at that. Wow. Amazing. I'm going to go right here. Oh, okay. That's amazing. You know what?

That's the one I would have taken. That is. God damn it. No, no. Please. That's a fucking sucker punch. No. I know whatever donut I picked that was going to be your donut.

No, that wasn't going to be my donut. No, no. No, no. Please, you brought the donuts. You have the donut that I wanted. No, he is doing it on purpose. No, I'm not. I'm not.

Uday. No, no, no. I'm in hell. The glaze. No, I'm telling you. No, Brennan, I'm actually very easygoing. It's not. Do I give me the impression?

There's a menace. The octave drop. Ever so slow. I'm actually very easygoing. I think you'll find me a reasonable man. See, I think people, I think you can be easygoing and particular. Okay. Right?

Take a vote. Elaborate. Give me more on that. So, like, I have my things, right? Like, I have an order that I like, and I'm very particular about it. I'm going to take my donut. You know. Beautiful.

I'm not sure. Is this that filling in it? No. No! And I think this is... Drink the fucking donut! And I think what this says about you is it's very classic. It's a sugar donut, but it's a twist. I'm a fun guy.

I think you're taking the things that work and you're doing something new and exciting with them. I just like how fowlick it is. I wouldn't... I'm not going to eat right now, but if I were to choose a donut, I would choose a crueller, which I think that's a French crueller with a chocolate covering on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not a fan of the chocolate.

chocolate covering, though, so I wouldn't take that one. And instead... You must. These are fabulous. These are fabulous. These are brilliant. There's no shot. What is this?

What is this thing on the corner? That looks like fried chicken. No, I think that's actually... An empignale. I think that's actually like a kind of classic donut. Because there's the cake and the yeast and I think that's cake. That's old school. Like Entemans.

Yes. That's kind of your classic dip in coffee donut. That's the one you want. And then this one is what? The apple crumb or something? that looks like it could be an apple pie style situation. They're really good.

They're really fucking good. My favorite, my favorite is, has always been possibly because I grew up in Turkey and we didn't really have donuts growing up and I only saw it in the Simpsons pink with the sprinkles. Wow.

That's my, that's my classic. Lard Lard Lad. Yeah. Like, because that's what you think of when you think of like Randy's donuts, you think of that like.

Have you ever gotten the Lard Ladd donut or universal? No, I have to get it for you. It's like, the size of a hubcap. Oh, God, I can't have that. I need to worry about my... Do you have these donuts often? Do you eat these often?

Is this your go-to breakfast? I'm eating these constantly. I'm eating them constantly. I love that. I'm eating them constantly. Like a daily thing. I'm going to go get a donut and a coffee. Yeah, it's very...

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This was nasty, man. This was great. Very important people. It'll come up immediately. It's the last episode that came out. So in case you don't know very important people is an improv interview show where the guest just does makeup and they don't know what they're going to be made up as. And. Oh, my God.

It's so horrific. Dude, it is. It lives with me always. And the voice that you did here, play it. You got to hear the voice he did for the intergalactic baby. We don't have any audio on our side. Oh, no. March.

March. You failed me. You failed me once again. You failed me for the last time. You will fall like the memorial that you have on your hat. This is how we treat our employees. I'm actually a vicious, ruthless. I love that.

He is. He's great. You gotta be. This is a cooperative corporation. My life from the soul of players and neutron star. If you call me Archie again, the tongue that said it would be pinned to the wall.

That's tough thing to say there. I'm shy, Ali. I'm going to move on to something that is going to help you to get it up. God, Vic and Jacob are so good, man. To get you too. Dude. Oh my God. That's incredible.

That's Jacob Wysaki, who's one of the funniest. most talented dudes on the planet. He's unbelievably funny as this other baby. So the premise of this show is it's based on an old college humor sketch show that Josh Rubin and Pat Castles did back in the day called Hello, My Name is. We're basically they'd do insane special effects makeup on Josh Rubin with his eyes closed, and they would roll him out of in front of a mirror and give him like three minutes to get on set and start improvising a character.

And so we, you know, we're there for like two hours getting this baby makeup. Here's the crazy thing. I don't know if you guys watch any of the life. like, BTS or like, it's called Last Looks, which is like, oh, here's like the making of the episode. While we were being put in this horrifying baby shit, in the middle of this huge sweaty head. And like me and Jacob are around the same age.

Tony Hawk walks into the makeup room. The real life Tony Hawk, because his son works on set as Pete. He's just visiting his kid. Oh my God. So I'm meeting. A man that means more to me. I can really describe the amount,

the amount of grinding on digital rails. I was gonna say it. It was so funny too, because there's like a certain age of man where you, it's like, he's on set, he's a cool dude, and people know that he's a big deal, but it's so funny to go from someone,

like a 22 year old bringing him, like, Mr. Hawk, right this way, come on in, to him seeing me and Jacob as these two millennial dudes. Giant babies. Yeah. I'm so sad, I look like a fucked up baby right now. You mean so much to me.

Yeah. We have our own Tony Hawk story as well. Oh, God. What's this? Back in the day, we were under the banner of a fairly exploitative, now notoriously corrupt, podcast media empire. And they sometimes would throw guests our way. And one of those guests was Tony Hawk. And I had a very similar experience where he means so much to me.

And I was so excited for the episode. And within moments of us going camera up when it was just the two of us, I was like, this guy does not want to be here. No, no. And it was a bad, it was sad. It was our, it was our notoriously worst episode, I think. Wait, wait, you got there? Did you pay him to be there or something?

No, so we were all under the same umbrella. Oh. So there was a lot of like, oh, we'll do this podcast. If you do that podcast. This was before I joined the podcast. Yeah. It was kind of like, I joined it was kind of like a hostile takeover. You're kind of like, but you're the hockey stick where the,

where everything starts to... 100%. I mean, there is a correlation. Hostel takeover. Well, I mean, I... You went, can I please be on the podcast?

I invited myself. Did you sound like that? Yes. Yeah, he was, I was very emotional about it. I was like, why? He was our guest and our friend before the podcast.

So, like, he would just kind of be like, well, are you guys gonna invite me on this trip? Like, what's going on? And we would. And then we were like, well, I guess we should, you know, bring him on board as a, as a guest. I was a DEI hire.

Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, I'm gay. I'm sure you're probably, I'm sure you're probably wondering, like, I've never, I have never heard, I have never heard the words I'm gay in that tone of voice. As a sort of Sato-Ovache, like, explanation,

like, by the one are you? Well, I mean, I mean, I, I know, obviously I know I'm in good comp, but not that you're, you're not gay, but like, I was, I know that you approve of gays, and, um, I've heard this. I looked it up beforehand. I always make sure that we have a homophobic guest so I can be accommodating.

He's not joking. Yeah, if we had a homophobic guess, I would indulge in a little homophobia. We're never going to have a homophobic guess. Well, you never know. He heads it up and he'll be like, yeah, what about these homoes? No, no, look, Brennan, it's not that we would ever have a homophobic guest. We would have a homophobic adjacent guest. Yes.

Somebody who tolerates homosexuals, but they're a little uncomfortable. Right? So I have to make sure that. You, and that is not what is happening today. Exactly, and I knew you were going to be uncomfortable. But I could tell, but I could tell that you were looking at me like, okay, what is, where's the diversity, the equity, and the inclusion? And that's why I need to tell you.

I need to come out to you. I appreciate that. Coming out as a process and it happens concurrently throughout your whole life. That's right. And I knew I could sense that you didn't know, and so I had to come out. And so I'm happy to be myself now. That's beautiful. I'm very glad that you can be yourself, your friend.

I love that. I don't think anybody's experience alive coming out on the podcast. It's the first time. Wow. It happened in real time. So thank. You're welcome. It's beautiful.

I love that. You can't just own coming out every time. You've come out already. But you do. It was in like, what, 20, 23? That's a beautiful moment. Get back in the closet. Excuse me, homophobia.

Yeah. It's beautiful. By the way, when he says, anyway, homophobia adjacent, he means me. I'm the homophobic. So, Brennan, basically, I invited myself on the podcast. I was like, I wanted a podcast. And I was like, I wanted to make a little extra money. So I said, you know, I hear that.

Hey, I come. And it fucking work, too. You can invite yourself places and it can be successful. You absolutely can. Yeah, you have free will, right? You have free will. Look, yeah, I do. You have free will.

This is his year where he, well, every other year he was still selfish, but this year he gets to also masqueraded as like a new life philosophy. Interesting. So we're sort of doing selfishness under the guise of exercising our free will. Yes. Well, that's a fascinating. I mean, I don't know if you guys fuck with Robert Sapolsky at all. who's a great, he's a Stanford, uh, uh, animal behavior and behavioral, uh, he's a primatologist

and does a lot of other stuff. And there's some interesting thoughts. Maybe free will. It's, it's hard to, maybe free will is this little tiny bit of sauce on mostly a lot of automated internal processes having to do with the subconscious. Yeah. I've done exercising it. You're trying to get that muscle bigger. Yeah, because I think that a lot of times we feel like we're held by something. And I'm like, no, we're not. I'm free to do anything. What's the, what's the freest thing I've ever done. Well, oh God, man, it's been recent, actually. The freest thing that I've ever done. Sprint into traffic. Well, no, I mean, bad idea, but I'm proving I can do it. No, I think the biggest, now this sounds silly, but you know, like, I think when I was younger, um, I think there's

tremendous amount of pressure to, like, go to a party and stay. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I've just had this thing where I don't have to stay here. I'm going to go home. I love you. Your greatest act of free will is leaving a party early. I mean, I mean, fuck with that. I'm really fucking with that. Because I'm a perennial, I want to shut it down. I'm always like, I'll be the last one here helping clean up and like put the, put cups and plates.

Like the, but I'll tell you what, you would love my wife. Isabella Roland. Incredible comedian. Amazing. A phenomenal actress and wonderful writer. She is,

she is so good at being like, I'm done. I'm done with the party. I love that. She, we had a housewarming party and she came out, I want to say 930 and said, I'm going to bed. Yeah.

And when I love that shut down the bedroom, people were in there hanging out. And she was like, get out. Get out. It's bedtime, baby. And that's why she's a pro. She's the maestro. I respect the hell out of that because I think what I started to realize is people don't care as much as I think they care. You know what I mean? Like if I leave the part, I show up for an hour or whatever and I leave and they're not going to be like, man, fuck that piece of shit. He didn't even stay longer. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like nobody cares. Okay. Floating a controversial idea, moving away from the free rule discussion, a friend of mine, friend of this. show, as a matter of fact, Phineas, through a holiday party the other day. Okay. It was during, you know, Christmas time. And the timeline of this holiday party was from, is on a Saturday, was from 6 p.m. to 10 p.m.

Okay. I really liked it. Yes. I really liked this limited confine. The limited confines, a limited window of 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. Because this is a Saturday, so it's not like you, you know, are working, right? Or, you know, some people might, but most people aren't. Yeah.

So you don't have that justification. And I kind of dig this new meta. I think that's what we need to do in 2020. It's not a lot of earlier parties. I love it. And may I ask, I assume this is true, but I believe I'm in the company of childless men. Is that correct? Yes.

Yes. You would, you would. Jesus Christ, man. He did dagger that. I have. I have two cats. He's flexing his semen on us. Yeah, cool.

Not the same, but cool. It's not? My cats are very funny. Extraordinarily not. You have children. I have a daughter. I have a daughter, and I have another child on the way. Congratulations.

Thank you very much. We're so happy in sight. So here's the move. He's flexing fertility. This is Babylonian. No, he's not. I'm just saying, I'm in the company of the child. I'm just saying, up the four,

of us, one is provably virile. And so that's the, that's all I'm saying. Do I look like, not fatherless, do I look like I'm not a father? No, you're gay. No, no, no, no. Game men can be father. Yeah, but at your age? At 30, you're right, you're right, you're right.

You're so right. At your age? I'm sure it's, it's got to be all dust down there. No, no. Other way. No, usually gay men don't have kids until later. Yes. Oh, God.

As you were saying, we're father, you're correct. You're childless, childless man. Your fatherless man. This is fatherless male behavior. The move, I'm talking, like, I think six to ten, bang, right on the money, solid. Talk about a, talk about a noon to 3 p.m. party. That's the level. That's the level that I'm at these days.

You want to go, you want to take it down even further. I would take it down even further. I'm going to be like, the sun will be out. This was my birthday party recently. Son, out. Pizza, there. Love everybody. Hug, hug.

hug okay it's nap time everybody out and everybody is out it was sick i feel like it's very spanish yes yeah there's this alternate like like scheduling a siesta time i feel like is is very yeah it's nap time guys how old your daughter two oh two years old is that is that a tough two's right it's awesome and like like it's very cool the the like yes terrible twos are there but i think the best thing that ever happened for my like what I would really recommend to anyone out there who are parents and let's turn fear and into a parenting podcast briefly ever so briefly we went from jason the wean to talking about parenting that's crazy it's our last guest our last guest was 21 years old so he's basically a child yeah i love it hey you know what it's a broad coalition here on the left so if i can bring the

the normie parent vibes yes we're we're ready for it uh there's a great book um on raising emotionally intelligent children that talks about the fact that what we call the terrible twos is every single thing that kids do that you would perceive as like, oh, that's rough behavior to deal with is always the thing they're working on. So when you think about a two-year-old being like, oh, they're selfish and they're saying things are mine and they don't want to share toys and they do this other stuff, the great psychologist who basically talked about saying, hey, you have X amount of years as an adult of knowing who you are, knowing what you want, and knowing what you can go without

or the pleasure that you can defer till later. Interesting. All that shit doesn't exist in a two-year-old yet. So the project is they're building a conception of self from scratch. So all that shit is like... I thought there was little assholes. But it's like you got to...

Before you get to sharing, they're literally like, man, I'll get to sharing. I'm figuring out which toys I even like right now. So you've got to give me some special. to be like, is this mine? I'm not saying it to be an asshole. I'm literally figuring out what mine is. Okay, so it seems to me like you're one of those

new age woke parents instead of teaching them early on, Prager You is on, on the TV at all times. Sharing is not caring. It's communism. That's how I want to raise my children. I was taking care of all the kids

and my family over Christmas and it was awesome because I set up a little kid dueling ring where we had Nerf guns and I would stand them back to back. all seven of them. And one of them would take a dueling glove, throw it down, issue a challenge, and we'd wager money on who would. He's like the dream uncle. And it was awesome.

I'm a disaster. It got intense. I don't know what kind of lessons you're teaching them, though. It's a doggy dog world out there. We were just listening to O. Fortuna on the front deck of my parents' southern home as people went by. And little kids wearing aviators is eye protection or just killing each other with nerve guns. That's what you have to do. That's the role of the uncle.

The uncle is chaos as inoculation. I need to bring a little bit of chaos to the function. You need to ruin their programming. It's like when I bought my nephew an electric bike, like an e-bike, so he could have full freedom of mobility, which was my uncle was like, what are you doing? This is not. This is why I want my brothers to have kids

because there's a big part of me that's like, hold on, we don't get to just be every Christmas now. I'm like, okay, that's enough. And you're out here fucking riling people up. Yeah. Get another snack, another treat. I'm like, you need to have some kids that I can go rile up and be irresponsible around so we can. Correct.

Okay. So I've got a question about, because you're probably the first father we've ever had on the podcast. That's not true. That's not true. Literally not even remotely true. Who else is a father? Name one. We've had so many guests over like regular adult age that most likely have children.

I mean, capable. No. we've been doing this for children we don't know about? We've been doing this for six years. Oh, actually, no, Jennifer Welch, she's got a child. She's actually got two. Anyway, there you go.

Do you know Jennifer Welch? I've had a podcast. Huge. Yeah, she's fucking loved her. Tony Hawk. We just FaceTime. She's a great friend. Anyway, love her.

We've had guests on this podcast whose children are fans of ourselves. Including Jennifer Welch. Their children were here. They introduced to themselves. Other than Jennifer Welch, we haven't had many parents, but I've never got an opportunity to ask this.

So I really want kids one day. That's beautiful. Yeah. No, I really do genuinely. But one thing I don't really like kids. And I'm wondering, will it change when I have my own? Because I'm hoping, it's kind of a gamble because I'm like, I'm really hoping it'll click. Because I can't afford not to like my kid if I make it.

Well, that'll be a huge catastrophe for them most of all. Yeah, 100%. I mean, I'll fake it. I'll fake it. Cool. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Well, that's the cool thing. I mean, the easy, the easy thing, too, in terms of like personal philosophy, the cool thing about whether you want kids or not is it's the right choice right because you shouldn't if the kids should not show up in homes where the people are like this is a huge bummer and I hate that this happened right like that's a bad thing for the kids yeah I like kids I like don't like kids but like I do like kids you know I can figure it out what is the thing in your heart that makes you want to be a father I think that like I just I don't know there's something like biologically like just like it's time like I see I see myself like starting to parent you know what I mean like like

Like, I've got nephews. I've got 10. Actually, Do you like your nephews? I've got 12 nieces and nephews. Yeah, but I don't feel like that. You have 12 nieces of nephews? Yeah.

My, my siblings were busy, busy, busy. Hell yeah. Yeah. And so I got 12, but I start, you know, I'm starting to give advice,

you know. You know, I've got, I've got a nephew that's like, probably, he's 20 years old. Yeah. You know,

and, they call him gay unc. Yeah, they call me gunk. And it's bullshit. What's starting to piss me off is they're like, they're really tall. They're like 6-6, and they call me Lil Unk.

And I'm like, you can't. I'm like, listen, let me tell you something about something. This is brutal. But anyway, I start to, I feel like I'm starting to give advice. I want to mentor. I want to, like, show some version of me the world. Yeah. And that's where I'm just like, you know, I really want kids.

I think it's beautiful. You want to have other little Uday Zincuzei than walking around. No, no, no. I think I'd, you know, I think I'd be a great parent. And if I'm not, I'll subsidize it to like a nanny. Right. See, it's a beautiful. Do you feel, when you're hanging out with your nephews and nieces,

are you having a good time? Do you like being in the company? Yes. Yeah, most of the time. I'll be honest. You know, some, you know, I think. But yeah, it doesn't have to be. I think that, like, love is better than always having a good time.

Right. Right. Just, like, writ large. Like, if you're in a place where there's tons of parts of being a parent that are very hard or very challenging. Right. And every once in a while, you're like, I don't love that someone, I've devoted my life to keeps throwing shit in my eye.

I wish that would stop. Like, you have those moments of just being an animal and being like, this is not super comfortable. But I think that, I don't know, it's the, it's very, it's very corny to say. But everything that is poetically true about, like, the ideal versions of what life is like when you have children has proven true. Sure. That the like, you know, I said friends that are having kids, I've often talked about it,

they'll be like, is it, you know, is it hard? What's the, what's the expectation? And I'll go like, it is the hardest thing in the world and it feels, somebody has said, like, when I'm on my phone scrolling, that is incredibly easy and comfortable and it makes me fucking deeply miserable and sad and go, God, this is like so addictive and easy and I'm so langed on this thing. And I was like, when I'm with my child, I, it's, you know, it's, you. It can be hard.

It can be challenging. They're sleepless nights. And I am filled with a sense of connection and purpose and joy that is inexhaustible. That's what I want because I feel like eventually I'm going to run out of joy. Well said. Are you enjoying things that like, you know, I hear a lot about parenting. Like, is Christmas now feel like a Christmas fucking rules? Halloween rules.

Okay. Yeah. Because I'll be honest. So I don't drink. I'm a teetotaler. I don't drink. I've never done any drugs. I'm a totally sober D&D plane.

lifetime. That's amazing. You can just say, tea toddling. A teetotoling. I'm a teetotoler, man, this is a fact. I first learned that term in the game fable. Oh, shit, that's fun. Is it like a status

that you have in the game? Yeah, when you would drink and you, like, at first, when you character first drinks alcohol and you, you know, you get drunk, you were, it would say like, teetotaler. Oh, wow. Interesting. The, yeah, the, uh, for me, there's like a so Halloween

once I stop being able to trick or treat basically like the first Halloween that some adult looks at you and goes a little old, little old for this and you go, it's like little, and you go, oh! And they're like, are you sexually active? You should be, you should not be doing this.

You should get out of here. And then you're like, what, but I'd still love candy? You know, like, and this is a fun event with my friends we're being social in the neighborhood. And you stop and then lost all charm for me. I went like, well, I'm not like also the fuck this is a like part of it as well I'm

I was a larper and I larp a lot which is where you dress up like like elves and wizards and you go in the park and stuff oh dude we were in the deep woods upstate New York campsite oh fuck yeah we were like I was like sprinting through the dark forest with a fucking foam sword hunting bandits yeah upstate New York oh my god what part so I'm partially from the

so I'm from high falls New York's a little town 90 minutes north of the city and I spent a lot of time in the city as well okay got a guy you Jets fan I'm not Not a Jets fan. It's upstate New York. So he's probably like a, like a Buffalo.

The only, the only baseball team I really inherited from my dad was the Mets, was a, was a Mets fan because my grandfather, Jack Mulligan was a fan of the Dodgers back when they were still in Brooklyn. Now I've come. So sorry, I cut you off.

You were in the middle of telling us, yeah. No, no, but the, uh, the Larpur thing. So like, if you are used to getting in costume and then literally, you know, ridding evil from the face of Gelgador, the idea of getting in a costume and just going to a loud hot bar is like,

yeah, it's kind of a step down. Yeah. So Halloween lost all charm, and now as a dad, Halloween rules again. Yeah, no, 100%. I've started to enjoy Halloween more

in my adult life, too. Yeah. But your enjoyment at Halloween is very different. Why? Because you're having, because Halloween is an opportunity for you to have forsooms. Oh my God.

With, like, sexy, scantily clad, dressed, nubile twinks. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry, Brennan, that you had to be subjected to that. To reality. To me exposing why you like Halloween again? I mean, who doesn't love a foursome? I'm so sorry.

I'm trying to answer the question. No, no, I understand. He turns to the guy who just said, I spent a lot of my life larping. And I guess, who doesn't like a good forsy? Who doesn't like a good forso? I will say, larp camp was wild. Really? Well, when the nerds all find each other, what do you think happens?

Yes, of course. Yeah, I imagine. It's like Band Camp. Yeah. Band Camp is a good analogy. Yeah, of course. No, of course. When you're like, oh, all the people that pick on us aren't here.

And we get to invent a new society from the ground up. Yeah. No, I enjoy Halloween because, you know, I get to go to all these. Now I'm starting to go to parties. And I'm living a lot of the, you know, I didn't really party as much, you know, when I was in college and stuff. so I'm kind of partying more now. Do you,

so the parties are a great aspect. Do you guys fuck with any of the, like, have you been to like the haunted hayride or anything like that? Do you guys fuck with any of those scary attractions? I can't, I want to do it.

I just can't handle it. I don't like being scared. I don't either. I think I used to be a depressed kid and I watched everything scary I could because I found that scary nullified depression. Wow. So I think I've burnt out all of my horror receptors.

You just don't get scared? No. That rules. Yeah. I feel very similar. I get very scared. Me too. And I don't like it.

I don't understand it. Not at the haunted, the haunted attractions. There's a place, so up near our living in Reimbeck is like the number one haunted attraction in the United States, which is the headless horseman

haunted hayride and houses. Which is, it's a lot of alliteration. It's really scary. Well, it's, but the thing is, it's like this, they make this whole Halloween world. Yeah.

So I'm sort of wandering around as people are jumping out and scaring being like, look at the architecture of this corny. I'm more just like, this is a beautiful, it's just really cool to see. So yeah, I really love it. I like scary shit, I just can't deal with it. Like, I think a good level of horror

is like Disney on a mansion. That's perfect for me. You know what I mean? Like that's the perfect level of horror. Yeah. Not scary. No, I mean, there's some things in the Hodden Mansion that pop out. Oh, good morning. Like Mickey Mouse? No, Mickey Mouse, isn't it? Yeah, no, he doesn't pop out, but it's like...

Your mother sucks, Cox, now! No! That's not, but you know, like, it's a little scary when you go down the elevator in the haunted mansion. You know what I'm talking about? Welcome to the haunted mansion. That's the terrifying experience. It's the dark. Going down an elevator.

My favorite thing, there was this incredible improviser and comedian in New York, Chet Siegel, who I perform with many of he or she rules. We did a whole thing where a bunch of improvisers in New York went to this haunted house. And Chet, she had ice water in her veins, was scared by fucking nothing until there was this one thing where we're on the hay wagon moving along and over the hill the eponymous, a New York a New York state legend, the headless horseman. The headless Hessian soldier

of Revolutionary War fame crests over the hill and it's an actor riding a horse with a flaming pumpkin that's a real flaming pumpkin. That's insane. It's insane. It's so fucking cool. Insane. But Chet fucking slams a hand into my shoulder and goes ah! Like squeezes it and

is the only that it freaked her out and I went Why the beautiful horse cresting over a moonlit hill? She went, the horse doesn't know it's in a play. And she's like, she's like, none of these fucking like jigsaw fucking Jason motherfuckers are legally allowed to touch me. The horse does not know man's law. The horse doesn't know. It's a wild animal. It's a wild fucking animal.

This thing does it. It was not going to be like, oh, I'm an actor. I got it. I can't touch the people. If this thing rides up, what are we going to fucking do? That's brilliant. Yeah. It's terrifying.

The horse doesn't know it's in a play. No, it absolutely doesn't know. I'm a horse girl. That's the one thing that... You like women that ride horses? No, I grew up riding horses. I grew up riding horses and I love horses. You didn't know this?

That's beautiful, man. What kind of riding did you just like, like, scenic, like nature stuff? No, no, no, I was a professional show jumper. Holy shit. Yeah. What? Yeah. You didn't know this.

You didn't know this. I learned something about him. Do you have like a special horse that you had like a strong relationship? I had a horse. Her name was showgirl. She passed away when I was in, uh, 10th grade.

I'm sorry. And I have a unique relationship though with horseback riding because this is such an isolating sport. And I just always want to play basketball. My parents were like, no, you got to do this instead. So now I look back at that experience fondly because my parents were obviously

right. That was an awesome thing that they made me do. Yeah, you're also too big to down a horse anymore. Well, I did. I wrote a horse recently like a couple months ago. And I wrote a host recently a couple months ago. And it's just like, it is kind of like riding a bike where it did unlock something in

me where I was like, damn, I got to do this more frequently. But you're right. People do discriminate against those who are maybe a little bit heavier than the average person when it comes to allowing them to ride horses. Is that something that you have to take into consideration is like you should get a larger horse or is there like, because there are some Clodsdale. When I was a kid, I wrote a donkey which I really loved.

My aunt, a burrow. See, his name was Barney the Burro. Wow. And he was really sweet. It was so sweet. I always had a strong affinity for donkeys. I love donkeys. Donkeys are dope. Donkeys are dope. They're really brave. They step on rattlesnake heads. And I also love it because on a farm, they're the only, to my knowledge, they're the only

animal that is not food. It's not producing a material good like wool and they're not pets they just work there. They're the only working class. They're the only animals like, I just move shit around. No, I went to an animal sanctuary just as, in Texas. We have the, Maya Higa, she's

got this beautiful sanctuary. And I got to meet her donkeys and they were so nice and the horse and she has like this little area where there's a cow there's a horse and a couple donkeys. And they're just so fucking awesome. They come up, they don't really like me to touch. They didn't like me to touch them, but

they were really nice. The don'tkeys are the people. Yeah, well, both, yeah, both. All right, before we jump into another topic, we're at an hour, he's on a tight schedule. Yeah. You are one of the best guests we've ever. Yeah, you were fantastic. One of the best guests we've ever had. Really fucking nice, guys, thank you.

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He has so much going on. Of course. Well, I know you do, but, you know. Patreon.com slash for the paywall episode, by the way, but yes. Oh, but you find me at Brennan Lee Mulligan on Instagram and, and the Dimension 20 critical role of World's Beyond Number, a bunch of awesome. Dead, everyone should check out Dead, which is now available. My wife's movie that she wrote and self-financed and produced and funded and star. I haven't heard about this.

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Appreciate you.