Fear& - The Future Of Our Show Ft. Matt Bernstein | Fear&

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

We're back with the first of our nyc fear& bangers, matt is here to educate the masses, caroline is here to keep is on track, im writing here to remind you fear& is coming to a city near you (if you live in an extremely specific part of the country) 🎟️ TICKETS https://TOUR.FEARAND.COM (USE CODE: FEAR) ✨WATCH THE SECOND HALF ON PATREON✨ Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/FearAnd 🎧 AUDIO PLATFORMS 🎧 🔊https://linktr.ee/fearand ❤️ follow our guests ❤️ Matt: https://twitter.com/mattxiv Caroline: https://twitter.com/carolinekwan ❤️ follow Fear&! ❤️ Hasan: https://twitter.com/Hasanthehun Will: https://twitter.com/TheWillNeff QT: https://twitter.com/QTCinderella Austin: https://twitter.com/Austinontwitter Marche: https://twitter.com/Marche Fear&: https://twitter.com/FearAndPod 00:00:00 - Intro ;) 00:01:50 - send this video to 5 of your friends you want to 00:03:40 - WE ARE GOING ON... 00:05:15 - the suit arc has been something else 00:07:29 - drag him he deserves to be dragged 00:11:20 - what are the rules?! 00:13:30 - I DONT LIKE THAT HES NOT MY MAYOR 00:17:10 - Zocdoc 00:18:10 - i do see a universe that you beat the hell out of us 00:23:20 - woke hasan alert woke hasan 00:27:45 - thank you caroline for introducing the guest 00:33:10 - betty davis eyes go a very long way 00:36:10 - you are directly talking to me this is about me 00:39:19 - what is pink washing, he landed the damn plane 00:42:47 - the live flyoff is coming 00:45:18 - commercial jets are very different than other planes 00:48:03 - we didnt invite the guest to rocky horror 00:51:05 - he might be the gay one, and we respect that 00:53:10 - failenial? whats going on with genz 00:57:07 - young individuals and the media paniking #hasanabi #fearand #podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with Eye Gaming Ontario. Thank you all so much for allowing me into your ears today. I do a podcast called A Bit Fruitie. It's on YouTube. It's on all the apps. And it's fantastic. It is beautiful. You never listened to it.

How do you know? But you said. How do you know he's listened to it? You think I haven't listened? She's been on it. He's watched it on three. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the Fear and podcast, so we are joined by the fabulous, the wonderful Matt Bernstein. Hello, thank you so much.

Thank you so much for having us in your beautiful city. Oh, thank you so much for being here. Yeah, and in your beautiful podcasting studio. Yes, and Caroline Kwan. Oh, and Caroline, oh, my God. I'm so sorry, Caroline. I didn't, I just thought of you. Make some noise for the woman.

I forget I'm even here. Well, Matt, I just want to let you know. Nobody loves and respects women more than I do. Here we go. That was unfortunately, I don't, she's just such a regular that I had no idea. By the way, Will has taken to sending me the type of Instagram post you send, which is like send this most beautiful woman that he's stealing your flower.

Oh my God. Oh my God. What a nuclear bomb you just dropped starting off. When? Austin, you sent, well, you don't even do it to me anymore because I've, like, clowned on you too much. But I've always wondered who the market is for people who see, like, send this to five of your friends you want to go to Japan with. It's you. It's you. You see that.

And you're like, me, I want five of my best friends to go to Japan. You know what it is is I get a kick out of him receiving it and just thinking about what he's seen. Yeah, I'm in the-res. No, just like in the middle of like a political firestorm. Yeah, I'm in the middle of like receiving subpoenas from the federal government. And I just like, blip. I see Instagram DM from Austin. I look up and I'm just like, I just put the phone down.

You know what am I supposed to reply to this? You is kind. You is important. You know what, Matt, I just like to make them feel special. Yeah, and that's beautiful. You know, I have to say, I'm very happy to be here. And Austin and I met for the first time last night. And I was like, what do we talk about on the podcast?

Like, what do you? Yeah. Because, like, I do my podcast and I make like 20 pages of notes. Yeah. And we're just like, which 20 pages. And we love the 20 pages of notes. And Caroline's very familiar with this. And you were just like, we talk about whatever.

And the podcast is about our relationship to each other. And I'm experiencing that in real time with you. No, I told them last night. But bear with me as I figure it out. No, no, no. I told them last night. I said, I have no idea what we're talking about. And in fact, Matt, I don't know what we're going to talk about like in the next couple of minutes.

It just kind of goes on the fly. I can't wait. We have ideas of what we're going to be talking about. And then Austin comes in usually with personal grievances, like, or, you know, how difficult his life is. You know, the butler looked at him funny. Oh. In the process of delivering beluga caviar.

They did forget my fries. It might be able to last night. This is what I mean. Like, this is the, yeah. But we do have, I do, I did come in with a. I'm glad you've recovered from that devastation. Thank you. Thank you. I did come in with concepts of,

a plan for this podcast. And conceptually, we have a major fear and announcement. Correct. And I'm going to let Will Neff lead that announcement because he's the best ever to do announcements. The president is orange. The Knicks wear blue and I'll be motherfucked if the spurs get to the Knicks. Oh, sorry, sorry, we have another thing. We live in a time where so much is said, yet we hear very little.

This collective four made a prize. promised cast in stone to be the voices of our generation. It gives a platform for ideas being silenced. Babadubidabo, whatever she's playing too. Bebado. Biba Daboo. Dude, I'm not gonna lie, R of K might be right about autism people. To orchestrate clarity through their defined

I'm not done yet. It doesn't... Do-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-Cutty! It is beautiful and natural. Flowers are she gonna have? You're like, oh my God, Kitty, did you shit yourself? Did you, did you shoot in your little pretty pants? You stupid little bitch that left-to-I swim!

No, I think ultimately... Their voices are calling out. Find the courage to listen. You will be forever change. That's not nice. It's not nice. Whoa. Oh shit.

Will, I didn't like that. That scared the fuck out of me. Damn, it's a little hard. Pull your dick out, flop it around. You're ugly. That's my everything's funny. He's hurt. There's nothing wrong with it.

I'm just pointing out the obvious. We created this for the people. Now it's time to bring our message to the people. Introducing Fear End Live. Saturday Night Live raves. That one guy is clearly not gay. The New York Post wrote that it's clearly anti-Semitic. We're going on tour!

That's right. Your hand is going on tour coming to a city near you if you are on the west coast of the United States of America. Seattle, Washington, Portland, Oregon, San Francisco, California, and Los Angeles. What are they going to see on tour, Will? Oh, you're going to see us. Dix out. Whoa. Yeah.

Wow. That's this. We are making Austin show whole and. I'll be honest with you. If that's what it takes to get us on tour, I mean, for a long time. There will be no hole and no dick. However, there will be elevated segments that you might have seen before. You might see some recurring things that have gone.

What's an elevated segment on this podcast? America Me Up. The people are screaming for it. White Hat Karen. Yes. Girlie pop nation. GERLY pop nation. Hassan looks at his phone.

But elevate. Order some ticket. He's going to have a fucking. He's going to have a fucking. tablet. Yeah. And Hassan is committed to meeting every single person in the audience. That's correct.

Everybody's going to do full, full photo shoot. Yes. Sign anything that you want. Yes. I just realized, like, I live with my own Barry Gordy. Like, I just, like, I literally, I harbor a man who sluts me out and exploits me. Yeah. Like, I'm just a piece of flesh to him.

Well, the suits be on tour. Did you notice that he is sweet? to wearing suits. You do suits all the time. I'm a suit guy. How do you feel about the suit switch up? I'm, I like it. You went higher register. Do you think it?

You went higher register. You don't like it. I like it. It's a little like Walter Cronk. I guess what inspired the suit switch? Walter Crosch! Everybody was. Six icon Walter Cronk!

Oh, you know, really frosts me up. Walter Cronk. I can explain. I was under a lot of pressure. from Fox News and right-wing think tanks made sure media was constantly clipping me and posting my my uh rants and I thought to myself we're we're entering a new phase where a lot of older do yeah a lot of older people are going to be seeing me and uh they'll probably be a lot more receptive to what I have to say if I wear a suit and it turns out it was true right so it's like a little

bit of a respectability thing yes 100 percent I'm doing civility politics I'm doing optics yeah Aren't you also trying to look sexy for like 70-year-old ladies? Yes. Someone told me that this is like, this is like lingerie for 75-year-old ladies, like a suit and tie. But it's like the bottom line is working. Like they're being more receptive. Yes, they have been. I've been getting feedback from, I've been getting feedback from fans and their grandparents

when they like glance over on screen when they're watching me in the television in their living rooms. They're like, who is that handsome man? That's a young Walter Crout. Yeah. They're like, oh, he's handsome. So, works. So Hassan will be wearing the suit on tour tickets on sale now, right? Tour.

Dot fearan.com. That's right. Okay, sorry, I just need to get through that. Sell your tickets. I really want to be on tour, but I just, we have to keep going. No, no, go ahead. Take a topic. No, no.

No, I'm going to continue build on the suit thing that we were talking about. No, no, we can move on. No, no, we have a thing. I was actually going to say, I respect you a little bit more now that you dressed up a little bit because you were looking a little slubbish on the podcast. Slubbish. What is slubbish? You steal your boyfriend's clothes.

I buy all of the clothes. Yeah, but they're my clothes. No, you hand him a credit card. Okay, I need your opinion on this. Yeah, hit me. Because I got dragged for this. Unnecessarily. I think I'm unfairly treated on this podcast.

Okay. My boyfriend. All right. Who you met briefly. Yeah, yeah. He went to EDC, which is a musical. festival. Yes.

Yeah, Austin, everybody else knows EDC except for you. Music's this thing you dance to. It's what kids are doing.

There's a lot of young people. I didn't know about it because Frankie Valley wasn't open. They call it tech no. Yeah. Some call it tech yes. Your boyfriend was E.

Kind of sounds like industrial pans. He went to EDC and I didn't want to go. Yeah, and I said you, I said, because no Frankie Valley

in the first. I just didn't want to go. Well, I was going to Port of a Art of Pride and that was my priority. Well, EDC is kind of like straight pride, I think, for a lot of people. Thank you. No, all the shade.

No. Wait, my shade. Yeah, well, anyway. People do get very gay there, though. I think they really kind of. There actually is a lot of gay There actually is a lot of gay. Rave culture is very queer. Yeah, rave culture is very queer. So, you pop enough mollies, everybody's gay. I'm already pissing people off. So he goes to, he goes to CDC and the next day, 1.30 in the afternoon, he's still sleeping. So I get

up and I say it's time which is so rude of you I have to say on behalf of Christian you were being a bitch yeah I am dragging your because you woke him up at 1 p.m. You knew that that festival goes to 7 in the morning he only went for one night and then

it's time to get up Christian at 1.30 he didn't he went to bed at 10 he went to bed at 10 11 o'clock he didn't go to bed. What did you wake him up for? Tell him I'll tell him he woke his ass up handed him a credit guard and said get the work He said go shopping. He said, go shopping for me and you for Puerto Vallarta.

And I think that's a pretty good game. By the way, we need Gabe to cut in your reaction to the clothing he bought because it was maybe it was like a Shakespearean tragedy. You were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have time code everything. He bought a DMX shirt. He didn't even know who DMX was. Who famously said, fuck it in his songs.

I mean, that's apt for Portoviore and I. You're taking DMX back into the game. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, credit card. Okay. You gave him a credit card and said go shopping. Yes. Okay, I'm learning a lot about your relationship. Wait. Well, what's wrong with that? I just said I'm learning a lot. Okay.

He's observed. Matt is very absurd. Well, what would you, what would you like me to do, hand him his credit card? That wouldn't even get him through the door. You're literally digging yourself into a deeper hole with a shovel. What are we supposed to do? What is he going to do? What is he going to do? Buy me a box of chocolates from Porto Vyardo? What? What?

Is this a bad thing? What am I? All right. So continue. I swear he's a kind person otherwise. No, we had so much fun. I don't know what is unkind. I don't know what is unkind about that.

So you guys were watching the next game at Jim. Yeah, we were watching... What was the energy like? Oh my God. It was so fun. I have to say, like, and I've been to like a lot of gay bars, to get a group of inebriated gay men to like watch sports on a television and like shut the fuck up. Is such, like, the conditions required for that.

are so, like, once in a generation. Can I, can I say something, Matt? You know what was so amazing about that experience? I look around, I forgot we were all gay for a second. I didn't. I heard that there were twinks hanging from street poles. Yes, there were twins doing pull-ups on street poles outside,

and one who was doing a stripper routine. That young man's training for the Olympics. There was a guy who had the Cynthia Arriva wicked nails. right in front of the same. Every time. Were they holding space? Okay. Okay.

There was a brief moment when something happened and all the gays were like what is going, nobody knew the rules. Right. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.

There was, because there was a foul or something and then it was like, who's getting the ball? Who's the position? Yeah, nobody knew. And then it's come to the thing where everyone's like,

nobody knew. There was one, there was one person though, who knew everything. And so they were kind of the the elder gay. Yeah. They were explaining to everyone. I mean, it was a very exciting

and just when I was like, wow, I'm in the middle of history right now. True. But nobody was closer to the center of history than Hassan Piker and World War. How was the game? How was it being there?

At first I felt so badly because you guys paid whatever you paid to sit there and watch them lose the whole time. Let me set the stage for you. Let me set the stage for you. I'm a lifelong New York sports fan. and we seldom win anything. We walked into the garden and things got sour really fast.

Yeah, big time. And Marshy leaned over because it was his first basketball game when the Knicks were down 29. He said, what's our odds of coming back? I said, probably less than 1%. It's historic because outside of the bubble, no away team has ever had a 29 point lead in all of NBA history. Yeah. Yeah. And there was potentially an alternative history that was going to take shape in front of Will's eyes,

which was no away team has ever won the first two games and lost the finals either. So it was history no matter what happens. It was either going to be historically a ginormous failure for the New York Knicks. So let me set the scene for you. The gentleman in front of us were from Long Island, and they had already checked the fact that he was wearing a mom donnie shirt and that he was brown and also was wearing a new york i had to claim him and go don't worry he's valid he's valid they thought he was so so so here's what here's yeah it was go here's here's what happened um three possible off-duty cops they just had the physiognomy of long island's finest long island off-duty you know ex-served living uh policeman uh comes

came up right in front of us and this normally happens you got some drunk guys who were like very excited right one of the one of the fattest one in the group locked eyes with my t-shirt and Zora Mamdani's beautiful smiling face and said

I don't like that he said that to you yeah he said that's not I was like and Will was like what do you mean he's the mayor and he was like fucking New York City yeah and he was like not my mayor and that's when we realize they're from Long Island so he's not your mayor at all.

Yeah, so I don't know what you're complaining about but he was, he was frustrated that I was, and he literally said, well, I'll allow it for this time. Like, as though he's, yeah, as though he's going to eject us from Madison Square Garden because I'm wearing a Zora,

mom, don'ty, mom down a stand shirt. But from that same group, down 30 points, a gentleman walks in, well, we're all at our lowest hands and head, surrender, cobras abound. And he looks at us and he goes, what are you much doing? You're down there. We're down 30 points, but you're not looking at it the right way.

This is the beginning of the greatest comeback in NBA history. And we're like, yeah, yeah, all right. And then it starts to happen. And the attitude in our section becomes so frothy. I mean, it was like an alien invasion had been thwarted. It was like the end of Independence Day. We were hugging each other, high-fiving, taking photos.

And then when OG went up and tap that in, we have video. But I'm telling you, elation, the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Yeah. A new era of peace and prosperity. Wash. Yeah. You told Christian last night that he didn't have to go back in the closet. That's correct.

Exactly. That's correct. That moment, he cured. Had Texas. If Texas won that game, it's bad. Yeah. Concealed carry throughout the entire country. No, open carry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Instead, now every school will have a copy of the Quran. That's right. We have Shakira law across the country. Copy of the Quran, Das Kapital, in every school, in every neighborhood. It's Islamic Sharia-style communism. If I was in office, I'd probably pass laws to do that just for fun, just to piss people. Like the 10.

So you would do the reverse of what the judge do. The 10 Islamic commandments. Well, that's literally what the Chuds do, where there'll be like... Dude, you always failed to grasp that Islam is an extension of all the Judaic faiths. So, yes, they have the commandment. You have a 10 commandment? They have ours. They have ours, Austin.

Shall thou not. Shall thou not! Wait, what are the commandments, Austin? What are they? The 10 of them? Jesus Christ. I couldn't even name five sex positions. Shall thou not.

Thou shall not kill. Sleep past 1 p.m. When we're going to porno by Arthur? Thou shall not kill. I don't fucking know. Just be a good person. You know what I mean? Just be a good person.

I got Austin's one commandment. Just be a fucking good person. Dude, if Austin was handed the tablets, he'd go, well, these are far too much. You just scratches it. Just pretty much be a decent person. One command. Yeah.

Let's simplify it. Ten is too much to remember. You're speaking to the American collective consciousness here. Yes. My God. Well, I'm super happy for you. guys. I'm sure happy to be here. In fact, I'm extending my trip by a day. I talked to Matt about this this morning. Saturday night's going to be crazy. Yeah, Saturday night's going to be crazy.

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Are you going to, I'm going to watch. Listen, I can't stay. But, but, but I have, I have, no, no, no, but listen, I have the privilege. I have the privilege to go to her sister's engagement party. and Caroline Kwan is my New York City. That is beautiful. You got a good man, because I would have... That's the lamest thing I've ever heard.

What do you think about that? Oh, I'm sorry. Again, I'm allergic to love it. They're going to beat you to death with hammers outside. You're leaving New York City on... You're leaving New York City as New York City could... The Knicks could potentially go for... That's correct.

You're going to watch it in Chicago. It's like the end of 10. cup you know I've you're gonna watch it in Chicago I got what I needed I go and I'm a feeling why are you looking at me I gave him I said she did she did but see will will is such a good man no Matt let me tell you with this man the he is a doll he's a doll he's a great man because yeah go ahead sorry no yeah my boyfriend and I we went over to Caroline and will and we both came away being like wow like he's he's such a nice straight guy stop he is he's so he's such a wonderful person given given an option

I do like the caveat. He's such a nice straight guy. For a gay guy, he's okay. You're a white straight guy from Long Island. I mean, the odds are stacked against you. The odds are stacked. You have either that version. Yeah.

Not you. The guy who was, like, about to be your ass. I'm sorry. What do you say? Would I hate crime, Matt? I do. I do see a universe where you would beat the shit out of both of us. Just take it.

want him to be. Yeah, I think that's your weird, twisted, perverted fantasy. Now that I have another gay person on the podcast, you can, we can talk about the fact that, like, they, like, they think that I'm, like, I'd be into him beating me. Come on. I think he's a good-looking guy, but he's not my type. I actually know that to be true.

Thank you. Because we were talking last night about your type. Oh. Go on. Yeah. Yeah, go on. Well, because, I mean, you were telling me, I was like, how is Perta Viarda? All design, all roads.

I just lead back to part of your art. And you were like, it was great. But like, you know, you said, I think my boyfriend was in heaven because they were all daddies. Yeah, yeah, he was. I said, okay, well, what's your type? What's your ideal age? Yeah, well, you didn't say specifically age.

Age is irrelevant. I just told you my age, my boyfriend was 24 years old. He's a grown man. Yeah, which is great. Yeah. Yeah. Go on. No, no.

Keep telling us about what else is said to you. Well, you know, I mean, I don't know. I'm making inferences at a certain point. I like, I like, you know, guys that are, you know, between, you know, ages irrelevant. I've slept with much older men than me. How much older? Three to five months. It's not my fault.

I just never had the opportunity to sleep with a beautiful daddy. Where are these elder twins? Except part of our art. Yeah. No, but, yeah, we, you know, different strokes are different folks. Guys, I mean, I was thinking- The Twinks need love too. That's right.

They do. They do. And that's not a twink. No, yeah. No. But I recognize his beauty. I recognize his beauty. I'm trying.

I'm trying to twinkify myself. It's not working. Yeah. Like, I recognize his beauty. Famous twink icon Walter Cronkye. I've really been guiding my... Yes. Walter Cronkkeye could have been a twink at some point. Maybe if we were to look at, you know, his photos was used.

Early work. Yeah. 1912. I can see Woke 2 giving you a sort of like Thumboy era. Really? Yeah. Okay. I could do. I mean, the close I got to was painting my nails during Woke 1.

Yeah, but you were you painting them like black? Yeah. That's not. I was, I went through that face. You're a person to ask. What do you think? These are, these are fun. Thank you. Thank you. I. We went through that era where we painted. He hates it.

And I look at it. I'm like, we were, it was rough. Yeah, but like the. black nail polish thing. I don't know, Caroline. That was like, to me, that was such a, like, straight guy on TikTok in 2020. Sort of like, it's chip. It's chips, but like, I don't know. Yeah, like, throw on a little necklace, have chip black nails. I mean, I, I've always worn necklaces and jewelry. That's, that's, that wasn't like, that wasn't the TikTok matter, but the nails were definitely that was, you clocked it.

Yeah. It was bad. And I used to, I used to paint one red. Because I was a rebel. Just one individual, usually the middle finger. On the loose. Of course you can say anything you want. I learned yesterday that you can't say something on Twix. Yes, you can. And then you proceed to say it five times in a row.

Yeah, well. That's a part of it. Do you say it a lot? Yeah, I do you. Me too. Don't even. Don't even. Oh, what?

You didn't used to, you only, he only recently started getting comfortable saying the F word. But that's good. The F word. What? What? That's good. I'm not going to say it.

No, I think that's good. That's true. The bar is so low, it's awesome. He has more in common with those Long Island guys than we thought. If he just dropped a casual. What the hell? You think we just like drop it randomly? I don't know how you all, like, behave.

That's insane. No, they don't say it ever. He lies and tells everyone that we say it all the time, including on Jennifer Walsh's show. You said that on Jen. podcast. Did I really? Yes, you were such a piece of shit. He said I slur all the time. What? I didn't say you said the answer. He said everybody knows that Asson said America deserved 9-11 but what people don't know and I'm really

trying to start this initiative is that he also secretly says America deserve Pearl Harbor and you should cancel him for it. I didn't say that specifically. And it's like you're so and then he flexed. So I know that he was just trying to get a clip off on Fox News. This son of a bitch is using me. He's using me to get a clip off on Fox News where he looks good, where he's like looking at the camera doing, and he said American is there at Pearl Harbor? He actually might be your biggest stop. No, you really are. I just think, I don't know why I'm just amused by the idea that he said America. He's going to be one of those gay guys that shows up on like Fox and Friends with the cowboy hat.

This is why left to live. Isn't there a gay guy with the cowboy hat who they have on Foxers? I mean, I think that's always the move, right? If you're any kind of minority, they put a cowboy hat on you. He knows I'm joking, but I'm the first one to defend him. But I was actually wondering this. I was asking Austin this last night, how much do you enjoy when like the controversy gets like a little stupid? Because like I'm very controversy-averse. Like I try to peddle my ideas like as softly as possible.

It still gets them mad, but like. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't like it at all because I feel like it's a distraction. But I'm just used to it as background noise at this point. I know that it's going to happen every single day, no matter what I do. So I've just given up on trying to present myself in a way that people will have a hard time yelling about. It's just there's no use.

There's no utility. It's going to happen. But Austin Revels in it. Well, I think I will never touch a controversy that's like serious. Except that America deserved Pearl Harbor But that's so silly That's ridiculous Like is anybody really give a shit about Pearl Harbor anymore

Yes Awesome people would pretend that they give a shit about Pearl Harbor But they don't care like it was like what What was it 80 years ago? We have a UFC ring in the front lawn Of the White House I mean come on I feel like I got the pass Why?

The Pearl Harbor Pass Why would you have the pass My grandfather fought in World War II Both of us everybody's grandfather's father. Both of them. Both sides. Yeah, but my grandfather, you know, and we won, for God's sake.

Austin's like, I also went to Japan and had a great time. One thing I love that Austin will do is he will send me stuff about his grandfather all the time, like little, like, stippets from him in World, you know, comments that he made decades ago. Yeah, he wrote letters all the time about Palestine. In the middle of the gay bar last night, in the middle of the next game, Austin was showing me the letters. No, no. No. Wait, but they really touched me. They were gorgeous.

They were gorgeous. They were gorgeous. I just wanted him to know that I'm also. I'm with you. There's no transitive property. Like it doesn't. I just want you to know. It runs in my blood.

My advocacy runs in my. He's gay and Lebanese. No, I'm gay and Lebanese. Yeah, I learned. And I just want people to know that my, like my advocacy for the Palestinian Palestinian people has gone back generations. That's what I want people to do.

No, that is beautiful. Yeah, and my grandfather, and I became so proud of my grandfather because, you know, the way he describes it, and it's so profound. The same thing that he was saying in the 80s, you know, are being said now. I think he would have been a big fan of Hassan, minus his 9-11 comments. But would like him more if he said America to serve Pearl Harbor? Well, I don't know. See, that's where he probably would have, he wouldn't have agreed with those comments. I didn't make those comments.

You are, you've decided that I've made those comments. I have not made those comments. Also, let me just say for those who don't know, our guest, Myrne Steen, Matt is a brilliant commentator. You've been doing this since, when did you start with you? Like seven or eight years ago in college. Wow. Thank you though.

That's very nice. Wow, seven or eight years ago. How have you found from then to now? things have transformed as far as like... I mean, I've changed so much. Like, at the beginning, I wasn't really talking about, like, it was mostly just like memes and, like, gay jokes. And, like, I was, like, basically, like, kind of coming into my own as, like,

a gay person. And I was, like, that's just, like, what I'm going to talk about. And I was, like, very young and whatever. It was, honestly, it was really, like, Palestine and, like, three years ago where I was like, oh, I need to, like, interrogate my politics more. And it's, like, you can't just... I don't know. It kind of, like, shattered the illusion of, like, liberalism

and the Democratic Party for me. Yeah. So I just started talking about a lot. So you were a lib before? I was definitely a lib. Me too. I was a lib as well. Which I think is important to talk about, actually.

Yeah, I agree. I think. Is your hand if you were a lib. You were never, come on, that's God. Obama, 08. But you grew up in such a political family. Like, I grew up in a lib family. And also, when it comes to Palestine, I mean,

I grew up in, like, as super Zionist community, Zionist family. Like, that's also what I think is gorgeous about your grandpas letters that I read last night when I first. met you at the gay bar during the next in the middle of the Knicks in the at the gay bar during the NBA finals but like Palestinian advocacy it waits for nobody yeah thank you for your tireless work thank you you're welcome that's so nice of you to take credit for your grandfather's letters well I mean he I'm the only one

as as they are continue with what you were saying no I mean it's just it's like it is so different to my experience because I like when I started talking about the stuff that really isolated me from my family generationally, you know, and from like the people I grew up around. So anyway, have they come back around or are they still like, you're done? Depends. It depends. It depends. The person depends the day. But it's hard and I don't know. I don't really give up on any of it with my family because I feel like if you're a Jewish-American anti-Zionist, it is like your moral responsibility to not, like, you can't just like cut off. off everyone around you because like we know that like Jewish institutions are

largely complicit in what's going on. If you look at synagogues around the US, it's like they're waving the Israeli flag and claiming ties to Israel and claiming that there is no difference between Jews and Israel and all this stuff. So it's like I think this growing anti-Zionish Jewish population in the US, it's like there's this moral responsibility to not just be like, well I'm not going to go home for the holidays because it's too hard. It's like, yeah, well, you know what else is fucking?

hard like getting your house bombed so go and keep like it's not about fighting with your family all the time it's just about keeping that connection open to them so that if they come around they have a life wrapped it's a it's kind of about like Colton doc deep what is it deep programming deep culture programming in a lot of ways like you just you need to know for sure have someone on the outside to know that if you realize okay I was wrong about all design a shit that you then still have that family member or that person on like Instagram or Facebook or whatever that you can reach out to and be like, hey, I'm ready to

to give this up now. No, I learned fairly early on. I mean, look, I have an audience of, and there are a lot of anti-Synist Jews in my audience, but I learned fairly early on that like if you're, you know, post-October 7, there were a lot of liberal Zionists that actually moved in the opposite direction. Instead of being like, wow, this is devastating. This is, this is horrifying. Like I am questioning everything that I've not.

known about Israel, everything that I've learned about Israel, a lot of them went in the opposite direction and they became kind of Kahanist. Yeah, they bunkered down. Yeah. And what was interesting in my experience is like people that I knew, including my former podcast co-host, who I thought was, was... He's not talking about me, by the way. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Will Neff lived in Israel for a long time. Married someone from Israel. As a matter of fact, met her on birthright. But what I was a little bit shocked by was like people who were very critical from a liberal Zainis perspective of Israel's actions who didn't even shy away from calling it an apartheid, right? Like turning around and being like, no, these are animals that need to be violently stamped out. And I realized, unfortunately, I'm never going to be the guy who's going to be able to convince them

Because they saw me as what they perceived the Palestinian people to be like. Because Zionism at the end of the day is a racist ideology. So when you are not a part of the in-group, you have no opportunity, for the most part, to make inroads with someone who's that invested in the death and destruction of Muslims and Arabs. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. And, yeah, like I said, I think I have so much privilege in my, like, ability to reach some people. Not other people.

You also have a lot of privilege. You reach people that I can't reach because, like, I look like this and I talk like this. That's why I got the suit on. Well, we all do a version of respectability, I think, just to reach people. Like, I think about that all the time. I would believe anything you say, and it's because of your Betty Davis eyes. You do have. You have beautiful eyes.

I don't know if this is picking up. Intimidatingly. I couldn't even look you in the eye last. in my life. Yes. You also have such an amazing cadence. Your voice is very soothing. It's a dulcet tone.

It's one that draws people in. I'm so happy I came to this podcast. You'll just glaze you for the rest of the day. I mean, but this is all to say, pre-October 7th, I think I had built up a pretty substantial like lib-adjacent audience

because I would talk about like, love is love kind of vibe, vibey, live politics. Yeah. And then, like, when I grew up from that as a result of, like, what was going on and, like, forcing myself to think a lot. And a lot of that was because I also had, because I've always been public about being Jewish, and I had a lot of Jews in my audience be like, will you stand for Israel?

Like, in the days after October. They hear you hide me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cheryl Sandberg. That was so awesome. That was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Surreal. Surreal. But, but. I was like, oh, I have to, like, actually think about this. And then when I grew in my politics... You were like, you had to think about hiding them. I was, yeah, I had to think about, like, yeah. Would I hide Cheryl Sandberg if she had nowhere else to go?

What percentage, do you think you lost a decent size percentage of your audience, but then have gained in the three years? Yeah, the first day, I posted, I mean, probably not as early as you were, I'm sure. But like, like a week and a half after October 7th, I like started talking about it and I was like I don't stand with Israel. And the first thing I posted about it, I lost like thousands and thousands and thousands of followers, which was whatever. And then, you know, you get other followers and whatever. This stuff is so like ephemeral and who cares.

But the hardest part was like everybody I had ever known in my entire life from like my hometown, from college, people I would pass in the hallway who I never even spoke to calling me Facebook message. Can I get you on the phone? I think you need help with this. It was like the craziest thing. I remember I got a text from someone. I will never, ever, ever forget this. It was from, it was like a text this long from a number that I didn't have saved in my phone. And it was like, hey, Matt, I think you do such great work,

but you have such a big audience and I think you might be misled about the situation and Israel and whatever, whatever, whatever. And I was just like, who is this? And he said, Benjamin Netanya. He said, it's, I don't know if you remember, but last year at Art Basel, we met at a house party on a white sofa. No.

And I said, I have no idea who you are. Please do not contact me again for any reason. Which art boz? You don't know Arbaugh? It's like an art festival. Don't tell him about it because then this is going to be another thing. He'll probably be like, I have to go to this. No, I hope not.

Actually, the thing, though, to know about it is it's in Miami. So, of course, this guy was. No, you don't. No, no, no. No, is it that's what you took away from his. Is this a BDS thing or what is it? No. It should be.

It should be. It should just be boycotted on principle, but anyway, I'm not going to get it. I don't really, I just, I don't know, I'd go for the after party. That's why people go. Okay. Anyway, well. No, so I'm happy that I've brought a lot of people with me, but yeah, there was, um. That is wild.

That's got to be an insanely anxiety-inducing experience. Yeah. I mean, it was different. It was crazy at the beginning. I mean, not to make it about myself, but it was crazy. I mean, just like, like my parents' friends were mad. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Well, because the thing is, is that you are a commentator on the internet. So you are also have a very big audience. So everything that you believe that you authentically speak about online, everyone sees that. So for a lot of other people, they'll still kind of do the, oh, well, with my parents or with, you know, my parents' friends. Let's just not talk about this kind of stuff. But you don't have that because they see everything that you say. And you're not speaking for them. Like, yes, but also you're not tailoring what you were saying based on how they will react to it.

So they're going to react to it the way that they have. Yeah, but like you put something out on. the internet for millions of people and every single person receiving it thinks that you're having a one-on-one conversation with them. Not everyone, but like people who have no sort of, I think, like, personal literacy. The guy on the white couch in Arpazel certainly. Exactly. He is speaking directly to me, so I am going to text. I remember. I never forgot that. I never ever forgot that. We met on a white couch in Miami last December. I was like, dude, you don't, you have no idea who you are. It's so funny because it's like, in his mind, you thought, this is a banger. This is going to change your life.

I'm gonna shock the world with this long text message. And then you'll be telling that story. And then I'm gonna go on Instagram and be like, I'm Ysra Chai, the guy from Miami texted me. And now we're getting married. Not in Israel though. Not in Israel. In Cyprus, weirdly enough,

close enough proximity to Israel, but not in Israel. Gay rights means you can get married somewhere else and they'll be okay with it. Wait, oh, so you can't get married in Israel, Austin. Wait, they were touting their gay, their pride festival in Tel Aviv. There you go. Pink washing.

There you go. They're trying to, they're using our, that's crazy when it's gotten so bad. They're using the gay. You not know about the gay community for good PR on Israel. That's how bad it's got. He just found out about pink washing.

Like literally right now. I'm so having to watch this happen. What is pink washing? Oh, hell yeah. I'm just kidding. Of course I know I'm pink washing. You fools. Explain pink washing.

It means when you take the LGBTQ community and you wash it. That's right. across things to you try to I'm just like I've done that before I mean it's like dry cleaning for that's it we can move on

so when a country when a country's committing atrocities you say wow we thought being gay was an atrocity but look it's not as bad okay he he

he got the intent is there here no this is what it is this is what it is I got there it kind of feels like the route you took there was strange. No, no, it's a divert when somebody's committing something atrocious, like an atrocity, like

genocide, for example. Atrocious. Because Israel's a genocidal apartheid state. A lot of people have criticized me for not saying that. I hear I'm saying it out. Right? There's been commenters being like, Austin doesn't, Israel's a genocidal apartheid state. And they'll take, they'll be doing

those things. And then to pinkwash means they'll start to get woke to divert from that attention. Yes. That's what, that's what You landed that plane. You landed that plane. It was a little turdling. Captain Show is at the control.

But did you know that gay marriage isn't legal in Israel? I know. I'm finding out now for the first time. Is that crazy? Well, interfaith marriage isn't even legal in Israel. So it's not exactly a fucking... Interfaith marriage? No.

What? Dog. I've never been to Israel. Dog, what do you think the word... You used the word apartheid state earlier. What the fuck do you think that means? Well, I don't know. I mean...

Apart. what they're doing. Ah, okay, very good. Regardless, look, I told you, my advocacy goes back. Your grandfather's letters. Farther than anybody. Yes, it's correct. Yeah, he taught me everything I know about.

Well, my, I wish my grandfather was alive because I would have him on the podcast. Yeah, he would have loved what you're doing, number one and number two. I think his political evolution would have even, you know, changed since he died. Yeah, one of the, one of my oldest fans who unfortunately passed away was Blow's grandfather. who he's Jewish and he fought in World War II and he was a huge anti-Zionist. You know what was so profound when I was reading my grandfather's letters is he used, he would call the things that Israel was doing to the Palestinian people as Nazi-like. And we talked about this last night.

Yeah, he called Zionist Nazis. Yeah, he said it's called them Zionist Nazis. And what's so profound about that is that, you know, obviously it doesn't, it's not any less true when we say it. But when you see a guy, a man that, fought against Nazis, you know, in World War II, saw the rise of fascism in Nazi Germany and was there, captured Nazis, to use that same word for what they're doing. It's like more profound, more impactful.

Also identifying that decades before October 7th. Yes, decades. The letter I think was postmarked, what, 1989? 1988. And, you know, he was the same thing. He was called anti-Semite all the time. My grandmother would be like, please don't bring this up at Bridge Club. You know, he would always be talking about Israel, you know.

You really landed that plane. Thank you. And speaking of which, it's time to reveal a gift that I got for you that I told you about. You got me a gift? I got you again. Oh, I know what this is. Oh, my God. And you can pull up an image on it.

I know what this is. I got you and Marat to finally put it to bed, a 120th scale Boeing 747 remote control plane. What? That is at my house right now. What? You got me a Boeing? someone? Yes. Yes. It's, you didn't. It's three,

I think it's four feet long. Oh! And we're going to have David set it up and we're going to go to a park and you guys are going to have a live fly. Oh, my God. Yeah, we're putting it to bed. That's a, well, is your $10,000 on the line? Will you explain this to Matt? Oh. Give him a TLDR.

It's his special interest is planes. My, his special interest is planes. He's been on Microsoft Flight Sim his whole life. Wait, really? My brother is, your plane plane. Yeah. My brother is an aerospace. Do you have a special interest? like that? There's a lot of gays with special

interest like that. Let me think about it. Go on. My brother is an aerospace and mechanical engineer. He builds rocket ships and also he worked at Boeing and also a pilot. And also has a pilot's license. And is in the process of getting his commercial pilot's license

as well. That's fierce. So he flies planes all the time. Austin believes that he has, rightfully. He has a better understanding of how fly a plane no no then a person who has with his own hands built the planes that he's talking about who also has a pilot's license Austin on the other hand does not

have a pilot's license but he's never in his defense has flown many simulators training simulator not not just my computer logable hours theoretically I know what my dad compared this to what I and I forgot to mention oh your dad's in on this time yes my dad was like you do you know no literally my dad was like Like, imagine if I said, I jerk off all the time so I can out fuck a porn star. That's crazy. Your dad said that. Wow, I'm really unimposed.

In Turkish, I bet it sounded profound. He really clocked that shit. Did he, that's incredible. He compared your simulator experience to masturbation as opposed to a porn star. Turkish sayings are profound. My favorite Turkish saying of all time, my father is the only man I trust, and he fucked my mother. That's true. That's another thing to my dad.

says all the time. Wait, you know what my... How do you say that in Turkish? God, what a beautiful language. You know what my favorite... My favorite Turkish thing is... Turkvarmu. Why did you do your mouth like that?

Because that's how you said. Is that a Turkvar? Okay, so Matt, based on paper between Austin and Marad. No, no, but let me, let me, let me read, because they keep... This sounds just like a beef that precedes me being here. Yeah, I'm soaking it up.

They're not, I don't doubt that he can fly generally better than me. But when it comes to a commercial jet, I can out fly him under the table because he doesn't know how to fly it. But haven't you not flown a plane? I've flown the training simulator. It's a one-to-one to the real thing. It's what pilots will train on before they go fly the real thing. On this table, sitting around you, there are two people who have flown real planes. We have actually controlled and flown actual planes.

Austin is not one of them. Actually, hold on. I have a revelation to share. You have never controlled it. 2007. 9-11? No, 2007. It's like the first time that I did my brain.

Yes. Unfortunately, Muhammad Atta beat me in a similar competition. That's crazy. We could cut that. No, no, it's a banger. That's a banger. Come on. Come on.

Government, I was seven, all right? I told everybody where I was on that line. Did you do Pearl Harbor? No, no, I didn't do that. Anyways, but yeah. Well, we can put this one to bed. But I would win. Oh, I flew a plane in 2007,

Young Eagles. I was in a small handmade plane. In 2007. Yes, Young Eagles. Yes. I did this thing called the Young Eagles where I did a test flight around my local airport.

I never told you about that. I don't believe that that came. It happened. I have a photo of it. Is it a FA allowable hour? We can move on. Is it a FA a logable flight hours? I was like,

It was 2007. I'm a little younger than you, so it's... You're not. Not by it. I do. I want to move on to something else. You have a topic? I do.

I mean, this is not even a topic. It's just something that came up when we were speaking Turkish. Whenever I meet somebody from Turkey, I really want to talk about how proud I am of your success. And just like my... You know what I mean? Like, I'm just like, oh, I have a, you know, Turkish friend. Yeah.

But I resist because it's not appropriate to be like, hey, do you know this one Turkish guy? You're a famous Turk in the United States. It's fine. But I didn't. But this time, I didn't. And I met this guy to Gay Bar the last night, or a few nights ago. And I go, he goes, nice to meet you, nice to meet you.

And he goes and talks back to his friend. And he told me he was from Turkey. And I was like, and I just didn't say anything. And then he turned to me and he goes, do you know Hassan biker? I went, oh, my God. How did he? Because they went and said, I have a podcast with Hassan. He went and talked to this.

Okay. Anyway. Sorry, that's like that. I was like, there was something in between there. So, guys, we have another topic tonight. We're going to Rocky Horror Picture. How do you do I? See, you've met my.

Have you seen it? Have you seen the one with Luke Evans? No, but I really want to go. I'm so jealous. Wait, we should have invited you. Wait. Honestly, we might have a ticket because Hassan might be bailing. No, I'm not.

No, Hass is going. He's so excited. You're bailing? Do you want to go tonight? No one bail for me. No, Marsh, absolutely. absolutely does not want to go. No, March is cold, but he doesn't want to go.

Do you want to go? I mean, I would go. I would go. Yay! Yay! We just peer pressure you into doing something. You probably had a nice plan. I'm like, I have to check my schedule, but this sounds great.

No, check your schedule, let us know. Yeah. We would be deeply disappointed. When is it? When is it? When is it? I think it's at 830. Okay, can I have a conf-

Yes, please come. I would love to go. Please. I've never seen it. Any version of it? No. I have no idea what I'm getting into. But you're so sick.

I'm excited. The music in Rocky Horror actually goes insane. I don't listen to music. You're going to get a little dare. You're going to love it. I have a confession to make. You know how I said I've been getting into Rocky Horror?

Yes. Which I have. But I only, the extent You only listen to... I've only listened to one song and that's what my extent. Wait, I'm so excited now. That's not real. I'm so excited.

It's not real. How do you do I? Wait, you haven't seen you've met my... Will, I even said him, I said please listen to these other songs. You just, you haven't watched the movie? Yeah, and it got really awkward when you started singing another song for the movie. Let's make a man out of you. Yeah, no, it's so funny because I know, I know the song, Sweet Trent...

I sent you science fiction. I sent you science fiction double feature. You haven't watched Time War either? No, I only know Sweet Transvestite. You have to listen to Time Warp. Can you explain to me what the fuck this show is about, at least, Brock? Yes. So on its face, it's about a group of aliens that come down to earth and become addicted to degeneracy and stray from their plan of world domination to engage in gay sex.

Oh, wait. Why is that so horrifying? No, that's the plot on its face. But under there, it's all about kind of like the pearl clutching and the horror that American society has. around kind of emerging sexualities and gender identities and how they aren't really as scary as you think. And a young couple kind of finds themselves. Susan Sarandon in the movie.

Finds themselves and are liberated by this antagonist as he gives up his world or mission of world domination to embrace a more honest self for himself. Tim Curry? Yes. Flaky. I have the woke. Oh, no.

She has the locust. boyfriend yeah like I don't mean to fixate on but I'm like I'm really I'm gagged like no what a beautiful explanation a lot of people a lot of people think he's the gay one like when we when we when we do when we did this I did this uh this video where we were trying to see who is gay or not gaydar type thing and they we had all the contestants vote on who was who was gay like who was gay and he won I I got more votes than he did too I lost yeah we were talking about this last night you can You can code switch.

I do. If you've ever watched him, if you've ever seen him watch a Minnesota Vikings game, you would be like, oh, he says slurs all the time and he does hate crimes for fun. And he does say slurs all the time. He does say slurs all the time

because he's reclaiming them. No, no, no, no, no. It's not, no, I can only reclaim one slur. Yeah. No. His grandpa wrote those letters. Unless there's another, I mean, is there another homophobic slur

other than, I can read them? I mean, there's a few. I feel like that's like the first. There's, There's some British ones. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. Okay, wait, Austin. How did you find Sweet Transfestite and you don't know anything about Rocky Horror?

But you have said, I love Rocky Horror. Luke Evans came across my feed and then I went and looked up the original. You're about to feed. Did you ask Christian? Christian is like, I feel like Rocky Horror isn't one of his favorites. But he likes it. Did you come to him with questions? He knew Rocky Horror.

But every time he's a theater gay. Tim Curry is so good. Yeah, he's a little bit of an elitist. He is. He kind of rolls his eyes when I tell him. He'll be like, what's your favorite? And I'll be like, I don't know. I mean, Chicago. He does prefer POSA 2000. Like all that stuff.

And he's like, ugh. He's like a, he's Gen Z, you know? Yeah. Disgusting. Oh, you're Gen Z. He loves like you're in town, Hades Town. I don't know. I'm 98. I don't know where that puts me. That you're Gen Z technically.

Wait, what year? 98. 98. Yeah, 96. 97 is the start of Gen Z. It's 97 to 2000. Yeah, you're surrounded by failenials. I feel blessed. We're glad to have you here.

I think failenials have actually, I'm going to say it. I think phelennials have actually been putting numbers on the board. I mean, look. What the hell is a fail envious? Like millennials. Why, millennial? Because for the longest time. Like the boomer joke kind of?

Our generation, yeah. You literally, you became more millennial by making your shitty fallennial joke. Yes, exactly. You said it once, and I was like, I'll just let it roll. But then you kept saying it. And I was like, I think we have to get to the wrong. I am.

I'm riding for it. I'm bringing it back. I think millennials are actually putting numbers on the board. Look at the DSA slate. Like, look at, I mean, Zoron. Zoron is a millennial. Oh, see, I thought Phelennial was an insult for us, Millennials.

So I was about to defend millennials. No, no, it is an insult. But I'm saying we're. He's reclaimed. Oh, I see. You're reclaiming. I think we've done fairly, we've done a fairly decent job of just like moving. Were we the group that shifted least in this last election?

We shifted least. to the right. Yeah. I know it wasn't Gen Z. Because now we've seen a few different cycles. Yeah, what's going on with Gen Z? I could talk about this forever.

I mean... Please, too. So, years ago, I was on like a gay vacation with a bunch of my friends and we were all, like, sitting around the table because a lot of us

didn't know each other one night before dinner. And everyone was like, give a hot take. Where was the gay vacation? Sorry. It was in, it was in, like, Northern California.

We got like a... Tampa? A house in, like, a rural area. I don't remember. He's asking because he wants to be a part of it. Like he, in his mind, he's like, going to place himself. We are friends now.

We are going to go on a gay vacation. He's placing himself in that, in that gaycation. Anyway, go, go on. Well, no, but we're all like, okay, icebreaker. Everyone go around and give a hot take. And I was, my hot take was like, Gen Z is like as conservative as every other generation, like, if not more. Not a hot day. This is true.

Well, I know, but this was years ago. And everyone, it was still in the time, if you remember, where everyone was like, oh, my God, like, Gen Z is going to change the world. Like, very, like, women's march. Greta came up. We're not going to take. Yeah, and I was like, no, you're all wrong and yeah, and then I was right. They're very conservative. Yeah, Gen Z.

How many of them became conservative from that gaycation? I mean, I don't know. A lot of them were San Francisco people and I feel like it we, I do feel like a lot of them were probably absorbed now into like Sam Altman universe. Yes. Oh my. So all of them. How did you, years ago, how did you recognize how conservative Gen Z was?

I think, I think it was Amber Heard. interesting yeah because I just saw how people on TikTok on TikTok were like they were like as susceptible to misinformation and like willing to run with it in the exact same bigoted ways as like boomers on Facebook were interesting with like AI sloth which I guess didn't really exist yet there's a puritanical attitude and the puritanical nonsense which has been kind of interesting yeah it's been interesting seeing that like evolve amongst younger generations because I think it's almost like a backlash to the Tumblr adjacent, somewhat unhealthy ways of learning about sexuality and gender, even though it's like still far

better than obviously the reactionary attitude. But there was like the sex positivity movement and then also like the big boom of the porn industry and then unprecedented access to pornographic material at a very early age, which probably isn't the healthiest thing, right? It's like dropping a nuclear bomb in your brain. Yeah, but my point is I think there was a reaction to that where they just like the pendulum swung in the exact opposite direction and I feel like the next generation is reactionary towards any kind of sexual expression.

Yeah, it's so weird. By and large, I mean, I look at the polls all the time on the stuff. Like, they're still obviously much more open-minded to sexuality and gender. Yeah. But they're still very puritanical and very reactionary. where it comes to, like, anti-feminist thought, yeah, misogyny, and certainly any kind of depictions of sexuality in art, where they're just like, I'm closing my eyes off to this.

Why is there sex scenes in my movie? Well, it's also, like, there's a difference. I feel like Carolyn might relate to, like, this sort of, like, phenomenon. But there's a difference between, like, what young people will be, like, willing to say about their own openness towards, like, sexuality, gender. or whatever, and then like the attitudes they will actually express when given the opportunity to. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I think to what kind of complicates it is Gen Z was the first generation to really grow up more with conversation around consent. So I do think I am such a Gen Z defender, even though, yes, the conservatism in Gen Z is real. But I think there are some people who get accused of being puritanical when engaging in this conversation around consent and like how much abuse there is with what older generations have considered, you know, sexual experiences. So I think that kind of got folded in as well. But certainly there is, as you were talking about, almost a swinging to the other side. But I think also Like the whole no fap movement Like the whole like body count

What's your body count? Yeah on the one hand Yeah you got that Yeah we got the gross like that's a uniquely straight We're no fapping but we're getting pissed on the one hand You got people who are just like Like their only allowance or their only expression of sex and sexuality revolves around like Shitting on women for for in any way, shape or form

Engaging others sexually outside of marriage And then on the opposite side I mean it's all unbelievably reactionary It's all very like anti-sex as well I mean look at this controversy I don't know if you guys saw this That just happened with Olivia Rodrigo Where like she was wearing a baby doll dress

Which is just like a very sort of like trendy style dress right now And everyone was like oh my God She's pandering to the pedophilic gaze Because she was wearing like A short old crazy She's worn baby doll dresses for a long time now And also like if you look back on 90s style, like baby doll dresses have... Well, 90s weren't the best time to...

Okay, I'm just saying from like a fashion standpoint, it's not as if Livia Rodrigo is doing anything new here. No, I know. No, and it was just ridiculous. But also the people, I think a lot of the people perpetuating that controversy online, being like, this is so irresponsible. I mean, they did the same thing when Sabrina Carpenter started going on tour. And they were like, she's doing what in front of children?

She's wearing like six layers of tights. You can't even see her skin, but they're like, oh, my God, it's so provocative because she's like simulating whatever. Also, she does not present herself as an artist for 12-year-olds. Like, sobber who's at his artist being like, bark for me. And everyone's like, hey. But it's like, it's the same conversations that they had around Britney Spears 20 years ago when she started performing. Everyone was like, showing her belly button, like young girls are going to die from this. But I think a big difference is like young people who are buying into these like finessey.

fanatical puritanical media panics around these young women and around just like anti-sex sentiment in general, I don't think they would identify as conservative and they don't think that they are. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I think everyone has gotten more reactionary. It's like as media literacy, we're in a total crisis, everyone's getting more reactionary. You see this even from leftists. You see. I mean, plenty of millennial and older leftists on Twitter who I'm like. Conspiratorial thinking. Yes. Everyone's brains have been rotted by the algorithm. Do you know how many people were sharing polymarket and Kalshi predictions on Spencer Pratt? Leftist I saw online being like Spencer Pratt has a 39% chance. I'm like, you are sharing polymarket.

Yeah, this is not relevant information. It's not a relevant data point at all, aside from whichever way the gamblers are swinging. It's very stupid. There's that. There's the conspiratorial thinking where everything is a siop. Mm-hmm. Where like people say I'm a sci-op for the DNC. You are.

And they'll point to like, well, I've actually been. Well, I've actually had. I never went that. There's very different schools of thought on this. But because I'm rep by WME, even though they told me they were going to drop me after October 7 and never did for some reason. That's an indication that I'm a political actor. They think that like they don't understand certain concepts like, you know, talent representation in Hollywood. And what that actually, what that relationship looks like, there's no editorial control.

Right. But they don't know that, so they think, oh, he's like, you know, he's the same. Paid for Basaros. Yeah, yeah, they do that. I mean, I was dropped. Oh. Yeah, I was going to ask you if you wanted to speak on that. Well, you were talking about earlier.

I think, well, if we want to speak on that, we are just about to enter the paywall portion of the Fier Ann podcast. If you would like to behind the paywall, we could speak on it. Which might be a different paywall portion than we're used to. Yes. Ladies and gentlemen. Well, hold on. What would you like to promote? What would you like to promote before you let you go?

Or before we get to the paywall, sorry. Thank you all so much for allowing me into your ears today. I do a podcast called A Bit Fruitie. It's on YouTube. It's on all the apps. And it's fantastic. Thank you, dear. Beautiful.

You never listened to it. Thank you for following you. But you should. How do you know he's listened to it? I have been on it. You think I haven't listened? She's been on it. He is watched it on TV.

He is watching on screen. There's only one person at this table who is not to watch it. That was such an unforced error, but it was very sweet. But it was very sweet. I just want to be... They're pink washing you, Austin. That's so funny.

I want to be radically supportive of you. That's just as long as... Watch your content. Hey, to be fair, he's only watched a single Rocky Horror song. That's right. I'm gonna watch. Watch that. When I get home because my hotel doesn't have YouTube on the TV for some reason. Only Netflix. Right. Anyway. Continue with wait for a second. So you mean you're going to watch Rocky Horror Picture show instead? Anyway, continue.

No, yeah. That's where you can find me. Matt Bernstein. Not everybody. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. Can I say something about Jerry? You hated him in the B movie. I fucking think he's never been fucking funny. And I always think he's been a pretentious asshole. I've never, ever thought he was funny, ever. And I'm not even being a hater. This is before I knew he was what, like, his views. Yeah.

This is before that. I thought Jerry fucking sucked. I think he was a dick to everybody that he met. He's just a fucking prick. And people like that shouldn't be famous, in my opinion. Also, he has a career because of Larry David. Yeah. Base.