Fin vs History - Amelia Aircrash & The Big Nazi Tit In The Sky | The History of Flight (Part 2/2)

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

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Welcome back to Finn versus history. I'm here with a race show called. Hi. We're talking about planes. Planes. It's the history of flight. Open wide. Yes, here comes the airplane. When does that start, do you reckon?

I don't know. It must be. Who's the first person to come up with that? that's pretty innovative. It can't have been in the early 1900s. No. Because it would have been hiccubs the airplane. Just crash.

Yeah. We are, where are we? We left off in 1903. Yes. Orville and Wilbur flap dodger right had been avoiding my flight the plague. No, thank you. I've got a plane to build. I'm into cycling.

No, thank you. Put those away. I don't want to see them. I'm going to hang out with my brother Orville. Me and Orville are busy. We're going to the beach. Is it a nudist beach? It's the opposite of that.

It's a windy beach where we're going to try and fly a plane. These boring cunts, they've invented a plane that can fly rather than the previous iterations where people just stuck feathers themselves and jumped off the Eiffel Tower. And we now enter quite an interesting period

in the plane's development where in the course of four years, things go fucking ape shit. Well, it's just, this is a period where everything's going. Every year, a million things are being invented, right? And this is, I suppose, this is because nowadays we think like things it's all going too fast you know my dad's

it's all going too fast it's all going too fast yeah we're just staring at traffic shouting at cars slow down no it's more that if you think about when he was he was born in 59 right dad so you know it was still like you'd have to go to the woods to see porn and now yeah wood porn wood porn forest porn and now you tell a i to make a deep fake of lorraine kelly yeah nothing you off of my head and it can you know like so his brain is just

like how is in the one lifetime how is that possible well this is a question that I thought the rest of history brought up and I is it really it is interesting yeah

who brought that up Tom Holland or Dominic Sambrook about AI no yeah that's funny it's funny you should say that the exact same question

was on the rest of history I think Dominic Sambrook pitched that more change happened between like 1850 and like 1950 than 1950 and now

or whatever that period because we always think it's building faster Yes But if you think about during the Victorian period going from unindustrialised to industrialised to planes

If you think about that 100 year period Basically from now to 1840 Yeah 1814 Yeah That is probably a bigger jump than 1914 to 2014 It's hard to know

It's hard to get a sense of Because it feels like everything's going faster But if you'd never seen any sort of machines suddenly trains, planes, fucking loads of stuff. Yeah, but okay, so in 1914 they don't really have

telephones, don't know? So then in 1914 they have a telephone that's like that. Yeah. But then 1914, you're like, that's a phone. And now I'm showing them on my phone a deep fake of Lorraine Kelly

nother them off, right? Then they'd be like, what, hang on, how was that still a phone? Okay, so the invention of the smartphone, what is it still moving? is the last five years moving as quickly as five years moved here.

I don't know. Because you've got AI, I guess. Yeah. And that's kind of crazy. That's going to change everything. But like films, it doesn't feel like they're growing as a faster rate anymore.

That's because films are dead. Film's dead, man. Yeah. It's all AI. It's all deep fakes. It's all deep fakes. Fucking, who watches films anymore? Yeah.

I'm going to the I'm actually see 3D Lorraine Kelly gosh me off. Yeah. It feels like culture's not moving as fast because culture's now just repeating itself. a bit. So it doesn't feel like...

Culture is deep fake ITV this morning. That's what culture is. Where Holly Willoughby? Holy loose women deep fakes. That's what the new culture is. Shout out, Gavin Plum. Remember Gavin Plum? I do remember Gavin Plum.

What's his history of... Oh yeah, flying. Yeah. Anyway, I... Gavin Plum sentencing. He got sentenced for life. The laziest kidnapper in the fucking world. Sorry, fat cunt.

He is a fat cunt. Oh, come on. Let's not be insulting Gavin Plum. Gavin Plum, sat on his sofa. Allegedly. the controller got stuck between his ass cheeks he couldn't change the channel it was stuck on ITV1

and he thought I'll just kidnap the fucking first woman I see on TV In 15 years he could have been doing that with a deep fake So the technology is moving so far It's true My point is in 1914 The airplane

Orville and Wilbur's boring Flappedodging Minge avoiding machine They've invented To get away from even further away from women Because as we've discussed in last episode The Sky is gay Plains are insanely primitive in 1914.

They are basically binoculars with wings. They are by planes. They're transplanes. They're transplanes. They're woke nonsense in the sky. And when World War I breaks out, they are initially just used for reconnaissance. Yeah.

Because that's all they are. Yeah. And people are so unprepared for it. So when, initially, when war breaks out, out, when German and allied planes would pass each other, they'd wave.

Yeah. Because they're like, Oh, hello. Yeah, we're not really. Oh, this is mad. Oh, wow. Wow. They're all France's bourgeois.

Yeah, they are all France's bourgeois. Wow. Then they realized that there was actually, this was another theater of war. Yeah.

As we've said, many times, the only theater that I will set foot in. Yeah, is a theater of war. Theater of war. So then they started carrying, they started carrying bricks. We just drop them.

No, they'd throw them. They try and throw them. throw them at the other one. Yeah. This is how slow they're moving is that they can like move past it. So someone's driving

and then you've got someone at the back with the brick guy. Yeah, I'm the brick, I'm the brick guy. How many bricks could you bring up before?

I guess just one, I guess. It's one shot, one kill. You've got one go. I've got a brick and then you're just trying to throw it. I'd fuck it.

One brick. The pressure on that, I'm not getting that. You'd hit the pilot and then you'd just, you'd just, you'd miss throw. Yeah.

He would just smack on the back on head. He'd be knocked out. but in the four years of World War I the planes like develop insanely quickly so planes initially there's the brick guy then they bolt some cameras onto them to take reconnaissance photos but obviously World War I is people just not really thinking what could we possibly do yeah what can we do to make these more lethal cameras

yeah cameras let's take some upskirts or it'd be the opposite it'd be top top down skirts What's the opposite of it? You're downskirting? Yeah, that's not really a view. Downheading. Down bum. And they're looking through the trenches.

It's like, there's no fucking birds in here at all. No. Why is it such a sausage fest? Yeah, they throw bricks at enemy planes. So air gypsies, kind of. Yeah, it's air gypsies that's wearing burning tires. I'd fight you! I'd fight your mother!

Just shouting, cool. The red baron was famously a gypsy. And they go, fight you! Come over here, tell me that. The sunburned baron. Yeah. So the fighter plane was invented in 1915. the Fokker Eindekker.

Yep, they do not mince their words, the Germans. Let's call it the Fokker. Well, they'll say something like that, but with a completely still face. That's not funny. There's nothing silly about it. So meet the Fokker's in German. The Fokker Eindekker.

Meet the fighter planes. Yeah. This was, the main invention here was that they realized because they started with getting machine guns on a plane, but they would just shoot into the propeller and then the plane would crash.

Right. So again, what's so funny is that the reason planes are, planes develop so quickly is that they're iterating constantly because every time they get a new one they die and they crash and so they go well I might as well trying to advance it

a bit so I guess with like the deem fakes of Lorraine Kelly like the growth of that I guess there's a lot of trial and error with that because of the early days it doesn't look at all like Lorraine Kelly you're just fucking make a fatter fatter fatter fatter fatter more Scottish just turning into fat bastard from

Austin Fowers no I want fat wearing fatter fatter Fatta Fatta, fatten in my belly. Um Um, yeah, those AI things used to get on TikTok

where it's like, I want to see the most, an American family, more American. More, yeah, yeah, it's that,

more Scottish, more Scottish. Uh, anyway. Technology is all trial and error. So the, the, the,

the, the, sorry, what they say is that the, the great driver of new technologies is pornography right? Oh, sorry, no, but it kind of is.

Yeah, yeah, that's like a take that a lot of people have. It is, yeah. Kind of like twilling their moustache, actually porn drives technology so but I guess it this is before porn was drunk because it it didn't drive

plane technology did it no I guess not it's a better way to say no people weren't throwing jazz mags into the sky and then you're right brother's right no you're right it was led by pornography well when does yeah so it's the internet basically isn't it yeah although the printing press could you say I guess so well yeah we should do a history of pornography actually we definitely should yeah why we do that now get some porn up Charlie plane stuff's quite boring. So the 15, that's the first time they invented a plane with a gun that could shoot through the propeller arc.

The fucker eindacker. And suddenly a pilot could aim his plane and shoot. And this changes everything. But you had to be flying where you're shooting. Yes. Right. Yeah. Because now you get dog fights.

Yeah. And I don't know why it's called a dog fight because dogs, dogs actually smell each other's arces. So. Right. So you don't know why it's called a dog fight because dogs smelt each other's arces. Yeah. Well, that's a dog hello, isn't it? Right, yeah.

Smelling your ass. So a dog fight, I don't know what it's called. It's in the sky. Dogs can't fly. Sounds kind of cool. Anyway, so now you get fighter pilots. So bear in mind that the war's been going for a little over a year and a half, and planes have gone from being binoculars with throwing bricks at people to now a recognizable

fighter pilot. So you get aces, the idea of a fighter ace. Because obviously the air battles of the World War II were huge and dramatic and very important. The Air Battles of World War I Were they still Were they ever decisive? Yeah, it's gypsy skirmishes I'll fight you

I'll put Hold on, have that you fucking Yeah Well no you have the red So there's no decisive Sort of air battles in World War I Well I guess it's trench warfare Isn't it?

So the idea of air superiority It's like those guys are fucking around So what Well they haven't got to bombing yet So that's right It's just wasps Yeah it is basically Wasps in their own

Yeah if you stay out of their way They won't piss you off I guess you could start What's it called strafing the ground yeah does that start I would do that if I had machine guns

on my plane I'd probably be a but the thing is it's such a static war isn't it like pretty quickly the war's entrenched strafe up the trench

it's lines trench strafe yeah trench strafe get me in there but it becomes quickly about shooting down

reconnaissance planes that's what it's all about so you get fighter races like Oswald Bulk Oswald Bulke Oswald Bulke

and then in 19th 17, the Red Baron. Listen, that's what I call my wife when she's on the period. The Red Baron's here. Oh, the Red Baron, is it the Red Baron come for a visit? Manfred von Richthofen.

That's what I call my girlfriend when she's in my period. Yeah, Manfred von Rishrofen. And he, this is when you get fighter squadrons, the Yasters. Who is the Red Baron? I actually don't know anything really about him. He's a rich gun who got good at flying, and he had confirmed 80 kills by the end of the war. And then he was shot down right at the end, 1918, by, I think, a Canadian.

And then his body was, he had a red plane. So he was the head of the Flying Circus, which is a squadron of German planes that were brightly different, brightly colored. Right. Probably less fun than the sound. Yes. And they were like an elite sort of strike force. The red arrows, but lethal. I guess the thing I don't understand is that, like, what does air superiority mean with the new?

don't have bombers. They've got all the bricks brace to throw, they've got more supposed to drop bricks down. Yeah, so they can build stuff from the air, I guess. I mean, if you've invented, does the bomb exist? Yes. Also, just drop a... Well, yeah, I know, but people are thick back there.

Yeah, it does seem like there's quite a few things I'll be able to do. When does aerial bombing start? They must start at the end of World War I. Because tanks come in at the end of World War I, don't they? So World War I is... They happen in, 1917, 1918, right at the end. Oh, no, aerial bombing starts in 1914.

Well, there you go. I mean, Zeppelin, Zeppelin bombings, yeah. Well, this is what I was going to get into. We need to get into Zeppelin. The first use of aerial bombs was in Britain when two high explosive bombs landed near Dover's Admiralty Pier. Right.

Zeppelin raids, yeah. So this is what we're going to get into. So the plane has a huge acceleration in development over the course of World War I. But in the meantime, there is this other mad alternative to planes. Yeah. The airship.

Now, in 1900, Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin, he launches the first rigid airship. Right, frigid as well. Frid, of course. All these airplanes are frigid. Now, airships are, they're like big fucking balloons. Some of them have a frame.

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Deck at the bottom. Yeah. That's kind of a plane attached to a huge... balloon. And in the start of the 20th century, Zeppelin's developed rapidly. The Zeppelin company, it's the first ever airline, is a German Zeppelin airline. People think that's going to be the future. Yeah, so the Wright brothers, when they're in France, or whatever, whichever boring kind it is, Boring kind of one. Orville. Orville. Hello, my name is Orville. I've invented the plane. For somebody to be the first man to fly, I reckon he probably couldn't,

he couldn't have got less pussy. Yeah. You would have thought like an astronaut. or someone. Yeah, a bit of attention. French women. No, they were like, oh, wow, you, you flew. What is your name? My name's Orville.

No, thank you. Stay away. The only flaps I'm interested in are these ones. While Orville's in France, he meets Zeppelin, and there's like a frostness to them because they're both basically trying to avoid pussy as fast a rate.

They should really ally and form the deadliest anti-pussy the union has ever been. The Triple Alliance. The Triple Alliance against holes against blowjobs, anal and pus. The Triple Alliance. That's what the Star Alliance is. That's the Axis of Evil.

That's the Axis of Evil. That's the Axis of Evil. Yeah. Flap dodgers. So they meet in France and there's a frostiness because they're basically both at this point, in the early 20th century, there's like traveling circus. They're trying to show off exhibition, their flying machines to like crowds of little kids going, wow, one day, I'll be up there, you know, that stuff. So the Zeppelin

Even though The thing the Zeppelin is trying to corner Is the luxury market Right Because Titanic for the air Essentially that Right Because planes are all very well and good

But they're small Right You can fit one or two people in them Yeah at this time The idea of the passenger plane Has not been conceived yet By the way Charlie In between these two episodes

Says do you think we'll have like a plane That could fit one person And that's it Yeah Even though that was the first plane That's the first plane That we talked about last time I can't actually, I can't picture it.

Well, yeah, you're not a pilot. The first is one person in there. You've got no one else. If you can't fly the plane, there's not a... I mean, I guess if you was like self-driving plane, solo planes, I guess that could be something. I like to be one of them. Well, this is what's so funny is that there's a whole alternative history where, you know,

this is how we travel. Well, I mean, could you knock down the world trade centers with this SEPLIN? This is what I mean. This is what I was going to come on to. Sorry. This is the great link. I shouldn't step on your 9-11. This is the great link between.

my two passions is the Hindenburg is the meeting point between Hitler and 9-11. Right. The Zeppelin is very accident prone. It's constantly crashing. Right. Because what it is, at this point,

is it's a big balloon filled with intensely flammable gas. It's a giant bomb. It's a giant flying bomb, right? So hydrogen is the only way, because helium hasn't, there's not a lot of it yet. And that's obviously lighter

than it. It looks fucking sick. sick. The British, they start this Zeppelin program, and they have these two things called the R100 and the R101. Great names. Great names. Great British names. Down the line. Romantic. Just see out the over. Just get the names over the line. And the R101 is this, this mad cunt has this idea that he will fly a Zeppelin, but be like a big aviation conference in Britain. And he's really pushing Zeppelin. There are some British dads there. What's that made out of?

There's a lot of knocking. A lot of knocking the planes. How up can this one go? 10,000. That doesn't seem enough to. So he says, while this conference is happening, I'm going to fly this Zeppelin to India and back. While it's happening?

While it's happening. How long is the conference? Like four days. Fine, fine. But he's like, this is how good this is. And he has this image of Zeppelins as being the way to travel the British Empire. And actually, when the Empire State Building was built, it was originally designed to have a Zeppelin landing, like, pad at the top.

So this is essentially, this is, you know, the main contender with planes for human air travel. So the R101, he takes off, at the aviation conference, takes off to India, gets over France, immediately crashes. Fucks it. Right. Because he's rushed the development to try and coincide, coincide with this. Nose dive sort of thing? Yeah. No, it's like, it keeps losing power.

So, stalls and then it... I guess, yeah, a Zeppelin crash, the plane gets fucked immediately. So the Britain, basically, this sees off any British idea of the Zeppelin. Right. They like it's stupid. It's stupid. It looks too stupid. Let's fuck it off.

The Germans, however, they keep at it. And in spite of several Zeppelin crashes in the 1920s, they, in 1933, they start work on the mother of all Zeppelins. Morty Zeppelin. Morty, Morty, Morty. It's a giant tit in the sky It's a giant tits in the sky Yeah I mean it makes a lot

All these guys Men and Lader Hoos said Mouti Mouti Sky Mutti Big sky mussy Big Tits in the sky And I guess that's why

The Americans and Brits They're doing like dicks Yeah Farty And the Germans were doing Mutty So They build this

huge thing. The biggest ever airship that ever existed. The Hindenburg, the Zeppelin, is built in 1936. That is after Hitler has come to power. Hitler's in power. It is before Hitler gave his dog cyanide.

Yeah, yeah. Blondie's alive. Bondi's alive? He's a Blondie alive? No, Blondie isn't alive? Because Blondie was given as a gift. But he wasn't a puppy. She wasn't a puppy. I don't think. I don't think Blondie was alive. How old was Blondie when... I think it's tight, but I don't think Blondie was alive.

I think Blondie may well have been alive. 36. Fuck, so she was given as a puppy? Yeah. Fuck, okay. So it's before Blondie's life. Blondie wasn't, Blondy never saw the Hindenburg.

Yeah. Just as well. Anyway, so Blondie's, uh, Blondie! Blondie's not alive at this point. Hitler and Stuantin, that really made me laugh at the life. Hitler's in the park.

Blondie! Oh, Jesus Christ, Blondie! So, Blondie's, Blondie's not alive yet. Pre-Blondie. Anyway, the Hindenburg is built And it is only just slightly shorter than the Titanic That's how big it is

Massive It's like 250 metres long It's the height of luxury But it is very similar to the Titanic actually People don't need to make that link enough This sort of like space race style Building bigger and bigger ships But it's in the air

It's luxury travel, it's transatlantic It's actually very similar to the Titanic Yeah so these are the colourised photos Of the interior of the Hindenburg And the whole plan is that obviously crossing the Atlantic takes five, six days on ship. Oh, look at that. That's on a fucking Zeppelin.

So the idea is that the cabins are very, very small. And so you spend most of your time in the communal area, so they have a big, like, viewing deck. Because in a plane you can't really see out, right? No. So the whole point is that it's like, you can walk around. That's the fucking cockpit. Look at that.

Just a massive wall of glass in the sky. It's silver service. Oh, you can have a, yeah, if you're sitting down. Absolutely hilariously, they have a, smoking room. Bear in mind there is a, the roof is made of hydrogen and they have a smoking room which is a sealed door where it's just covered, it's covered in asbestos.

I'm surprised that they haven't made one of these with the plane technology we have now. Well, apparently they're coming back. What? Apparently we're about to usher in a new age of Zeppelin travel. Zeppelin? Yeah, blimps are coming back. Blimps are back, baby. Well, I mean more, so I guess the Qatari plane that they gave to Trump, right? Why is they not like a luxury giant plane that you can walk around in, there's restaurant

dining? Like, you'd think there'd be like luxury alternatives to have like a built like a cruise ship in the air. I think that is sort of a... Sort of. I mean, you've got like first class and stuff like that, but that's still like you're in your own little compartment. It's still pretty boxed in.

You don't have any sort of like communal viewing debt. There's not this like luxury travel group thing. No. I guess it's what an airship is built for, right? So it's amazing like... dining car, small cabins, but smoking room, blah, blah, blah. Now, in 90, it gets finished in

1936, I think, and it is named, there's a big debate about how it's going to be named. They end up naming it Hindenburg after the guy who is president, who's a really old man. So Hitler makes him president as like a nominal figure, but

apparently it was either, they were, this very nearly got called the Hitler. Can you imagine? The Hitler. Morty, Hitler! Hiling Hitler in the sky, incredible. And it's got swastika's on the back of it. Now, you never think about that.

That does look fucking evil. It looks fucking great, isn't it? It looks fucking sick. Imagine getting a ticket to that. What, the Nazi, the Nazis? The Nazis airships, yeah, I'd love that. And, funny enough, where's its first trip? Brazil.

Oh, really? First trip's Brazil, man. That's where he first met a young Katinga. To where Hitler's off to. Hitler's going Brazil, in the airship. Because now in one of the Indiana Jones films Is it Lost Ark? No Yeah, Lost Ark

He's the Nazi one The Nazi one, the best one He gets in an airship I think There's a whole scene in an airship In Indian Jones And he's punching people in there I think Anyway so they bang some swastkas on the back of it And initially it goes to

Brazil via New Jersey That's the route it does In its first season Which is its only season It does quite a few trips Really? So there's quite a few. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It does like 400, maybe it's like 40,000 miles or something. I wonder how many trips it does. How many people actually got the rare privilege of flying?

So the tickets cost about the equivalent of £7,000 for a round trip. So the Hindenburg does 62 flights, 10 round trips to United States and a single round trip to Brazil. So if I got a gun and I just shot up, would the whole thing explode immediately? Yeah. You just have to puncture it. So what it is, it's got this, it's got this rigid frown. which is made of this kind of like type of light metal

and it's got these bags of hydrogen and they painted the material with this anti-reflective or it's anti-reflective material to reflect UV rays because any any like sunlight could just pop the whole thing but if I literally just got a pistol

and I got a good shot yeah but if you did that in a Boeing 7.7 no you wouldn't if I shot a bow and it would just it would hit it and there'd be a hole in it but it's not going to go I thought you're in the plane.

No, from the ground. Oh, right. You hit a plane, ting. But if you hit one good aim bullet at the balloon, the whole thing. It doesn't have to be that well aimed. Just anywhere, the massive fucking target in the sky. Bang.

Pop. So, it's filled with hydrogen. Right. And initially, it's this huge symbol of Nazi power, soft power. So it starts these propaganda. There's a referendum around the sedating land, or is the Angelus. I can't remember which one.

Obviously, the Anglesus is, we're in favour of them, I must say. We're pro-Anselist pod. One of the most pro-anthalus pods in the world. Who else is on record as saying, you won't hear Rory Stewart and Ernest Campbell come out in favour of the Angeles. Arguably, it's not that relevant at the moment.

No. We disagree. I think it's the pressing issue of our time. This is the turning point. If he's just stopped there. Yeah. Schnitzel, Fritzel, Hitler and Schwarzenegger, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.

Austria and Germany are destined to be together. Yeah. And it's the one thing, Hitler. was right about. So, anyway, I think it's the sedating land, maybe. He uses the Hindenberg to drop propaganda leaflets all over Germany about this referendum on whether the sedating land should be part of Germany. I think it gets about 98%.

Because, you know, everyone's in favour. It's a good policy. Everyone's in favour of it. Anyway, the Hindenberg again starts his commercial life. And what we need to get to is the tragedy that happens in New Jersey Erfield. I think it's called Lake. What's it called Lakefield or something? Lakefield, New Jersey.

Lakefield, New Jersey. It's above the fucking Lakehurst, New Jersey. It's in the Berlin Olympics. It's like there. Right. And it's there in Newmberg rallies as well. So it's this huge specter. It's the big Nazi tit in the sky.

Morty! It's a big Nazi tit in the sky. Yeah. Which is the name of my first solo album, Prog Rock. The big Nazi tit in the sky. That's coming. That's on the Patreon already, my solo album.

Anyway, it's coming over on a fairly routine. flight from Frankfurt or somewhere and it's rounding in New Jersey it's gone a little tour of New York to give people a it's pretty sick actually how low it can get and it's safe given people how quick is it so how many days is it so it takes like 50 hours to get from across

the Atlantic so it's like two and a half days so it's trying to land in New Jersey and what's doing there's that that's water so it's releasing ballast it's basically doing a big piss it's like a horse pissing over New Jersey. So it's like the Germans are there being with a piss on my face.

Morty! Piss on my face! And so it's releasing, that's ballast. That's how it's kind of like like an anchor. Yeah, basically. So it's dropping water. And then it's got, I didn't realize this, but to land, it drops ropes

and then a bunch of fuckers at the bottom have got to fucking pull it down. It's crazy. Right. So it's struggling to land because of winds. And now they don't, they don't fully know what happened, they think it's just

a spark on board. It might be the fact there's a storm in the air. Or the smoking fucking room. But it just fucking goes up and bear in mind there's a crowd of I think it's its first it's the first journey of like the new year or something it's been out of action for a bit so there's a crowd of onlookers and

newsreel and as you said earlier I mean nothing has ever been more on fire than this than this year. What's extraordinary is this in 1937 to the quality of the cameras the fire is so crisp that it actually it goes through

the black and white photography and it looks so real like you can imagine exactly how it looks in color that's just how bright so the whole thing happens in about 10 seconds it kills 36 people

what you don't realize is that 62 people survive like more people survive than die oh because it just slowly lands and they just get out which is a big balloon isn't it just pop

and then oh fuck it's so I mean it is just how crisp the fire looks and this is where someone is broadcasting on radio live and this guy says oh the humanity as it's going down that's where that comes from really

and it's obviously a PR disaster for Nazi Germany although I would I would sort of say that maybe it's not the biggest PR disaster they'll have no I don't know who does their PR so they should get someone else yeah it's Mel Brown who does their who does their PR

who does the Nazis PR um Hitler's doing long reads and the Observer. Top 10 shows to sit at the fringe. So this basically overnight, this image is fucking insane image of the airship, overnight ends the idea of the passenger airship. It's like Icarus.

Very pressing. The Nazis flew too close to the sun. Their tit was too big in the sky. The age of the passenger airship ends pretty much overnight and the plane continues apace. Now, meanwhile... Are the while. All the while. A little girl.

A little, probably lesbian. Yeah, come on. Yeah, let's call her a lesbian. Amelia Earhart. This woman was not dodging flaps. In any of it. She was nose diving. She was into all kinds of flaps.

Aviation flaps. Muff flaps. Yeah. Flap Jacks. Yeah. Can you name another kind of flap? Cat flaps. Yep.

Pussy flaps. Cat flaps. Funny to call the vagina a cat flap, isn't it? Amelia Earhart is a young girl. She's a tomboy. She's, uh, nowadays we'd call her a lesbian, I think. Yeah. I think that's agreed.

And, uh, she is obsessed with planes. She builds a roller coaster in her garden. Nose dive dyke. Nose dive dyke. One of history's great muff divers. She loves planes and obviously she's a woman, so everyone just laughs at her for liking planes. I think from just listening to American podcast, it seems like Amelia Earhart is. is on the history curriculum in American schools.

Is she? It's like one of the few things people remember from school. In the same way that we, one of the few things you remember from school is like Henry the Eighth. Yeah. And Rise of the Nazis. That's kind of all you get at school.

Yeah. This is one of those things. So for American, this bit's probably going to be quite excruciating. Right. We're going to, we know very little about this. And everyone knows a lot about this.

In America. Well, I know a bit a lot about the end. The end's very funny. Yeah. But the start, she becomes, she basically becomes the most favorite. famous woman in the world. Yeah, I mean, if you look at historic women,

she would be up there, right? I think this is... I think this is... Arguably, this might be the first woman. I think... Well, there's no... There's rumors that there were some before her, but there's no...

There's no confirmed sightings of women before Amelia Earhart. It's all like a Bigfoot type thing, where it's like a more of a myth. There's some hairy, smelly rumours. Yeah, it's more like a myth that you used to scare your children. Yes.

The woman will come down if you don't... if you don't be quiet. eat your dinner or the woman will get you So Amelia Earhart Do you think she got into aviation Because she had air in her surname Could have done Air Heart, she loves flying

Is either that or open heart surgery Yeah, one of the other Amelia Earhart likes likes flying And at some point she She starts flying thrilling analysis from Finn there I did listen to a podcast about it

I can't remember the start All I remember I think she does like flying I'll agree with that Yeah She loves it She can't get enough She fucking loves it

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They're in the sky. They're coming for us. Lads. Burrow down. Get in the bunkers. This is why men build sheds in the garden. It's because Amelia Earhart starts this new wave of air feminists. Terrifying.

It's women's rights from the sky. You know that Hitchcock film The Birds. That's what this is about. Yeah. Give us the vote. Oh my God. do the washing up imagine terrifying

women flying at you from all angles so she becomes friends with Eleanor Roosevelt another mad extremist crackpot loony feminist

sort of bin Laden-esque figure if you like yep I'd say they both end up in the same place her and bin Laden anyway

so she goes for dinner with the Roosevelt's because they're extremists as well there's basically a cave in Torabora has been infiltrated by extreme

elements. It's been ideologically captured by air feminism. And at one point she takes Eleanor Roosevelt and the president out for a little nighttime fly over they're having dinner in the White House and they go, should we just get in the plane? They just fly around fucking Washington or something. It's crazy. It's irresponsible. The security

service weren't told. Mad. But it's interesting. So she's obviously an amazing pilot, but we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But it doesn't seem that the history of female flight doesn't seem to be much of a history after that. No. Is any other famous female pilots? I don't think so

It's not, yeah This is where I mean Amelia Earhart signals the turn from pilot to air stewardess This is where people

realize You know what happens To her They go okay We shouldn't really have These people In navigational positions They should be serving drinks

If Amelia Ayrhart I'd been serving drinks Rather than flying The plane Yeah Should still be alive To this day

so in 1928 that's her big that's her big breakthrough year she becomes the first woman to fly across the Atlantic she is a passenger passenger passenger princess she's a passenger princess crucially she's not flying the plane which is why it's successful um she the plane lands so you would be saying do we to park it for you up when you watch her crash yeah i'm on a pacific island going Oh, oh! Oh! Oh!

Do you want me to park for you? That's what I'm doing. I'm on the Pacific Island of fucking Yeah,

every time she lands you're patronising slow clapping, aren't you? Yeah. Oh, well done. You got a bit more room there.

Do you don't want to go a bit tired to the chocks? She's leaving it like a foot from the chocks, you know? She's like, she's got like loads of room.

A plane could fly and just scrape her side. Do you know what I mean? Anyway, so she becomes, a symbol of like woke progressivism, terrifying feminism. Blah, blah, blah.

She starts a flight club for girls. Girls can fly to, you know, all this stuff. This is a... It's not dated well. It's a lesbian bar. She then becomes the first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic, unchaperones. So she's supposed to do solo content.

This was an illegal flight. Only fan solo videos. Yep, in the air. Air only fans, terrifying. Blah, blah, blah. In the 30s, she forms a strong friendship, as I've said, with the FAA. FDRs. This is the midnight joyrides in 33. They go to Baltimore and back. Crazy.

That's amazing. She becomes a sort of cover star. Oh, so she's sort of symbol of New Deal, progressive Roosevelt, social contract. And then she marries a guy mainly for appearances, I think, and she says to him, I'm not going to take that. She's got a beard. What's a female beard called? A female beard. Yeah, what's when a lesbian has a bit, a husband. to pretend pretend not to be a lesbian. What's the female version of a beard?

What do you mean a beard? You know when a gay guy... Oh, is that what you call a gay guy? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know that, Charlie, wouldn't you? It's like, my beard is a gay guy with a wife that wife's his beard. Right.

Anyway. Anyway, so Amelia Earhart, she, yeah, she has a husband for cover and that guy becomes her, maybe her PR. Right. And he books her, like, speaking tours through in the winter. So she's wearing the trousers. She's wearing trousers.

Yeah, you can't. flying skirts. Yeah, that's true. Get caught in the flaps. Your flaps get caught in the flaps. Sissoring in the air, terrifying. He books her, because you can't, flying at this point is only

a summer sport. You can't do it in bad weather. So in the winter, she does speaking tours, where she uses flying as a kind of metaphor for women, blah, blah, blah. Right, boring. In the summer, she does loads of flying stars. And she becomes the first woman to fly across the Atlantic solo,

blah, blah, blah. She just loads of big flights. I think the whole first person to do this model of history is boring, so I don't really care about any of that. Really? Yeah. Yeah. First person to do something, great.

The first then, like, subdivision, the first guy with BMI over 30s. Right, right, right, right. Who cares. Yeah. Her greatest attempt, her greatest stunt, um, is in 1937. She decides that she's going to become the first person to circumnavigate the globe. Mm-hmm. Crazy.

ambitious stuff. Yeah. Crackpot. Crackpot theories. Her and her navigator, Fred Noonan, so she, you know, she gave herself the best chance about having a man there on the map. Yeah. They decide they're going to navigate the globe.

They're going to do this over, I think it's weeks, months. And they're landing and refueling at every point because that's what you do. Yeah. And they get to Australia. They set, they set, they set take off from Darwin, I think, north of Australia. Yeah. So she goes, she's going the other way around. So she goes from, uh, Hawaii initially.

Hawaii. Is that right? Is she going around twice? It's pronounced Hawaii. Why is she going around that way? That doesn't make any sense. It's all upside down land. Women are from Venus, men are from Mars.

That's the final flight. So she goes, oh, she sets off in California and goes to Hawaii and then. Is that the plan? Zoom in. Yeah, they do stop the petrel. So how far she made it? Those are all the dots. Yeah, she went all the way around.

That's amazing. That's what's so funny. She made it nearly all the whole. Yeah. Right. So, okay, so she starts off in Hawaii, I think. Well, she starts off in Indonesia or Papua New Guinea. No, no, no.

She starts off up there. Oh, right, right, right. So she goes all the way around. India, she gets dysentery in India, obviously, Delhi, belly, all that, blah, blah, blah. Get through Bali. Now, her final stop, so Darwin, she goes to Papua New Guinea, and then the final leg of their flight is the most challenging because they have picked this island called, I think it's Howland Island. Is that

what it says on there? I mean, this is crazy. Yeah, Howland Island. Say some of the places that she's been. So, okay, so she starts in... She goes Puerto Rico, she sees Nelly Fittado, a young... I'm like a bird. Me too. She goes to the Italian, Brazil. She goes through Senegal, Mali. She stops

in Chad. She stops in Sudan. Why are you here? She stops in Pakistan, India, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Australia, and then lands on Papua New Guinea. So she's nearly the end of her trip. She's right near the end. So she's got two more legs to go.

She's got, she needs to do one stop in between Papua New Guinea and the West Coast of America and L.A., right? But in between Papua New Guinea and America is the Pacific Ocean,

which is fucking huge. There's no, yeah. So she has got to land, she's got to find, bear mind there's no GPS or anything. There's no radar. There's a lot of licking your finger. There's a lot of doing that out of the window,

right? And somebody's got some poor cunt with a big map. And the map is just blue with like a little bit of green And so they've got to find This tiny island Howland Islands

I could have sworn it was here We should have turned left at the Yeah An Antarctica So they've got fuel They've got fuel for 24 hours And the flight From

It did not have a toilet I guess you're doing a bucket You chuck out of the window Lesbians man So when they set off From Papua New Guinea They've got fuel That will last 24 hours

And the journey is 20 hours Right So they've got four hours of spare change. So no dawdling. No, fucking look at that. Yeah. Right. That is that if you're listening, then turn on for a second and watch this.

They've got to get to there. That's their target. So it's a needle in a haystack stuff. Fucking hell. It's fucking reckless. If you ask me. If you ask me. Right.

They've got to land that and then they've got one more leg to get to Hawaii and then. Right, right, right. So now there's a naval aircraft car. or something nearby that's meant to be helping and they set off and they're getting, you know, they play live spy and every answer is the sea because that's all there is.

And then they start to realize that they may have overshot or undershot or fucked it. And they start radioing the naval destroyer. They're like, well, we're here, so I don't know where the fuck you are, but they're not hearing the naval destroyer. They're not hearing the Navy guys.

So I guess the radios aren't that good. Well, how do you stay in contact? They can hear Amelia, but Amelia de Moldenberg can't hear it. Right, yeah, she's not born yet. She's interviewed chicken up in the sky. This starts a huge, $4 million.

Public money is like a lot. $4 million dollars that then. Because the president's her mate, obviously. Right, right, right. It means corrupt. The whole thing's corrupt. It stinks. Drain the swamp.

A $4 million of public money search for Amelia Earhart begins. the largest in peacetime history at the time. Fuck. I mean, it's absolute waste of money. I think maybe three weeks later they end the search and FDR signs a legal declaration of her death in 1939, which means that George Putnam, her husband, gets all the money.

Oh, fair enough. Right, fair, yeah. I think that's fair. Now, there's several fun theories about her death or, well, disappearance. So what probably happened is that she just, you know, she couldn't read a map so she just fucked it last radio signals are in the place in the vicinity of Howland but nowhere near

so there's no no wreckage is found and obviously it's just ocean for miles one theory is that she lands on an island called like Nicomoto or something and she survives as long as she could

but dies on the eye over island because they find some bones on this island and then maybe there's some DNA testing and they find out that it's someone that's the same height as her. I mean, she could have crashed, ran into cannibals on like an island. Yeah. You know, that's a good film.

There's a theory that she lands on the martial islands with Japanese control and then the Japanese capture her and, because obviously it's a time of escalating tensions. There's another theory that maybe she was a spy the whole time. I think this is probably what was going on. Yeah? I think she's batten for the other team. Well, she's obviously batten for the other team.

But it depends which team that is. A lesbian is. a woman and therefore is less capable of navigation. Right. Yeah. She disappears. The great avatrix. Right. And this is why we don't really have any women pilots anymore. Yeah. Fair enough.

Fool me once. Shame on me. But fool me twice and I would like a full refund. So Amelia Earhart signals the end of women in aviation. It's a fun experiment that has a grizzly end. Do you know what? Let's just stick them in makeup and they can serve the drinks. That's what we'll do.

The great experiment of female aviation ends in tragedy and now their air stewardesses. Anyway, World War II, it causes another huge... Huge boom in... Jet. They invent the jet in World War II. Game changer again. Again, another six years of war hugely advances aviation planes.

And then in the aftermath... Air power becomes the definitive thing in modern war, right? It kind of takes out the Navy as... Yes, the band jet aren't formed at this point. Because now, if you think about... the battles that are going on now is air superiority is like that's kind of it the main thing yeah yeah basement superiority is not a no you don't need basement superiority i've got basement superiority so world war two ends tragically in hitler's death we know this it's a sad story male mental health

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child's next visit minute silence for blondie there's now suddenly there's now suddenly there's a whole massive industry around aviation now the war's ended and so the commercial jet

era begins in the 1950s Pan Am that sort of stuff First airline Yeah And you'd still wear a suit to go on a plane Well I mean you'd wear a suit out anyway

So it doesn't really mean I do miss this Yeah The jet set I miss So the jet set Yeah the standard of what people look like on a plane is a fucking disgrace. Yeah, people just leave the house looking like absolute hogs now.

Yeah. I mean, I do miss. I mean, if I'm doing long, if I'm doing a long haul flight, I will wear trackies on the plane. No, long haul, long haul is smart casual. What's that then? Chinoes, slacks, sports jacket. You can undo your top bottom, top, top button. Long haul.

If you're after the first stop. Yeah, fine. Yeah. Because you're loosening up a bit. Yeah, it's been 12 hours. Are you a flight, raw dogger? Sorry?

Do you raw dog flights? I have done. Yeah, I've done, but I mean... Just staring at the map. Yeah, it's just sort of peace and quiet, isn't it? Yeah, there's something nice. I do like long haul flights because there's something exciting about...

I like being productive while doing nothing. Yeah. It's partly why I like a sauna as well. It makes you feel like you're not not doing... If it makes you feel like you're not doing nothing... Yeah. That's something. Yeah.

So it means you can actually relax because you're not doing nothing. Yeah. No, but the jet set era starts in the sort of 50s and 60s, and this is where I think it's Vogue write this article about this new class of people

who are flying. The jet setters. Yeah, they spend summers in Capri, New York, Tokyo. The world suddenly shrinks in the 60s. Is this where they start having clocks behind? Because suddenly you can get anywhere in a day.

Right. So global tourism begins really. The travel industry starts in effect here. People are still smoking on planes. Yeah. There's something to it. There's something to it. I want to just end by comparing

the mid-century class of the jet set with the fucking shit show it is now. Whizzair, 6 in the morning from Luton Airport. You've had a couple of pints at spoons. God, it's grim. Well, basically, you just don't like the fact that flight is now accessible. It's so cheap. It's too cheap.

It should be more inaccessible. Anyone can fly. Yeah. And you think it should be an elitist thing. I think this is where me and Extinction Rebellion, are meat. This is the horseshoe. Poor people shouldn't be allowed to travel.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's this. This is two weeks ago. This is absolute animals. And then you compare this, compare this to like an infomercial from the 50s

about like the jet set. Pilots smoking a cigar. Classy. Safe. Yeah. Oh, look at that fucking fish platter on the plane. Oh my word. look at the legroom they've got full tables and then yeah in the in the late 70s

80s this is where airlines start to right if we get more people on we can make it cheaper if we squash them in like sardines then we can make more money yeah it becomes it becomes less about lifestyle and luxury and more about profit for airline companies so Ryanair the CEO of Ryanair who his whole obsession is trying to make flights as cheap as possible his whole goal is to how can you get prices down he's a Marxist extremist Yes

You know he keeps on trying to get this And he thinks it's going to happen one day Is standing Would you buckle people in I think you just hold onto a What's this Oh this is like Thor Park or something How Rhino planned

I guess it's not yet I think that is the problem Flying is quite undignifying So the conchreting The Concord comes up in the 7th But then that's a crash in Paris, I think, or something like that. No, that's not why. I think it's just...

So the Concord is luxury travel again. You can get to... And I wish they'd brought the Concord back. Yeah. But it can get you to New York, I think... How far? Three hours? It's like...

It's twice the speed. Three hours to New York. But the reason they... It's just too expensive to run. It wasn't profitable, basically. I thought it was similar to... No. Innenberg.

No. But I guess the people keeping luxury travel going are the Middle East Anyway, guys, join the patrons So we can start flying And with double beds Should we do, we could do reviews Of airlines? We could do first class reviews

From airlines If you're getting our patrons Would you like to see that guys Do you like to see that? Would you like us to live out Your ambitions? We should be on the first If there's a new Zeppelin trial

We should be on it I think I'm pro Zeppelin Yeah, I think Zepin should come back Yeah Be able to wonder about Shavas Voscar on the end as well Yeah While you're at it

that brings us to the end of the series tantalizingly short of 9-11 but as we keep saying that we'll be hit the runway too early and we've fucked yeah it's one of the early 9-11 where we just we just didn't take off anyway we've amelia air crashed our way media air crashed and again the link the missing link I must say between hitler and 9-11 is that if the Hindenburg hadn't exploded and there was a theory that Hitler caused it to explode

because he was angry that it hadn't been caused Hitler that's a stupid but if it hadn't exploded so if Hitler hadn't exploded it it could still be with us today airships could have been

the main thing rather than planes and if the airships had flown into the Twin Towers they would have exploded the Twin Towers wouldn't because they would have just popped do you think if maybe there had been no innovation in flight apart from the mongolfia the mongolfi brothers

the mongofi the mongafia hot air balloon brothers if there'd been no innovation do you still think that al-Qaeda would have flown a hot air balloon into the world trade center yes and it would be very funny wicker basket it would have been like this never forget it would have been like this think yeah that's the impact but i guess it'd probably show up the truth that george bush 9-11 and he'd put explosives in the hot air balloon. Yeah, I guess it would be harder for George Bush to do the cover-up. Because what would have happened is a hot air balloon would have very slowly just scratched the outside of the world. And then it would

have just Yeah, that would have been very funny. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for staying with us for this two-hour special on the history of flight. We've been the right brothers, Orville and Wilbur. Stay safe out there. There are still

the occasional female pilot. Yeah, just check with your airline before you book a ticket. What gender is the pilot, please? It's like on Uber's, don't speak to me. You can take that. No female, please. No female pilot.

Anyway, stay safe out there. And we'll see you next week for the start of a brand new topic. Goodbye. Thank you.