Fin vs History - An Upskirt Caricaturist | Great Artists: Van Gogh

Episode Date: August 3, 2026

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Welcome back to Finn versus History, folks. I'm joined by Horatio called And today we're talking about the great artists Specifically Vincent Van Gogh Yes You're at sea

I'm completely at sea I can't see land I'm in an ice rink surrounded by Spanish children Whizzing past me and I'm clinging on to the life raft of psychotic men Well you like reality You don't like subtext

So as soon as we're getting on towards surrealism it starts getting weirder and stranger and you feel completely unhelp I just think why the fuck are you doing that? I see some paintings and I'm like, why have you done that?

See, I'm the opposite. I'm quite dyslexic so I feel I emotionally connect with images much more than I would work. Text triggers you. Well, in many ways the page looks like starry night. I see, right.

So, you know, if I'm reading a letter to me that's a psychedelic. But you read text the way I look at photos. What the fuck? What I'm meant to do with this? Charlie, you more of a pictures guy or a words guy? He's a poet.

You're a word guy. I'm entirely word-based, I can't see. But you're quite, do you think visually? So I think incredibly visually. I have dreams. I don't really dream anymore. What's that funny? So did you just turn off at night?

Yes, hard reset, factory reset. Wake up speaking Chinese. Harrah! This is me in the morning, every morning. Yeah, everything's as it is. There's nothing. And I guess you've also not done psychedelic drugs, so No, well I did, well, you should do some I-o-asca or something.

No, no, no, no, no. I stayed with Daniel Schloss's lodger, when I stayed with Sloss the other week, he'd just done an I-A-Trip. Well, he had like a Cato Paul boy. He has got a Cato, it's Ryan Cullen. He's got a Cato-Caylorian pool boy. He had just literally come back from an I-A-ASca ceremony in Surbiton.

Yeah, well, he lives at someone's pool, so of course he does it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was shaking, eating boiled chicken and rice, saying that he spent three days vomiting in a room full of 30 people shitting in a bucket and vomiting. And he paid £800 of the privilege, and he felt brilliant.

And like all his past... Did he say that he felt brilliant? Yeah, he said it's like, it's cured everything. Right. And then I just think, I just think I've never, I've just not ever really been had a bad time. Because if I'm paying £800 Pound.

But insurbiton? Yes. I feel you've got to go jungles, right? Well, I don't want to be on the green belt or like Zone 6 when I'm fucking coming up.

I don't really you really come up on I waska, do you? No, I think you just... You meet an alien dad and then you ask him... What is it? My mate did it and he basically was next to this apparently it's the most visual trip that exists

so he was just next to this massive, vibrating pink cube of flesh, flesh and he cried with it. It started crying and so did it. Do you think you'd do it? I think it might be a bit much for me to be honest. Bit rich. Mad enough about the gear.

I think so. But you wouldn't do I ask. I am interested in that sort of stuff. Really? Just anything that, anything visually that's bit mad. Tell you what, I'd be and I ask a cuck.

I'd watch people doing it. I'd fucking love it. Or shitting and vomiting. Yeah, but all the fuck are you doing. I'm sorry, daddy. I'm sorry. Idiots. Absolute moral.

That's what I'd be doing. I'd definitely think you'd take me out. out of it if you were if you were stone cold sober and i was in a suit yeah you don't want a sober guy next year what the fuck wow you should get a bucket come on just go disgusting every time the shaman's feet yeah all right mate yeah all right yeah i'm got i'm gonna see how you regret i've ever made all right boring yeah what paintings do you like i like war photography i like war photography i'm very jealous of painters i think as an artistic process it feels like the most satisfying.

No, I don't think it does. I think because it is never finished. Then you compare it to stand up and I'm looking at my miserable Google Doc. And it's like that that's kind of way. Do you write stuff down? What do you mean? What do you do? I just, it's all in there.

You don't write anything down? No, I'll write on my notes on my phone. I'll have like bullet points. Epstein. The three jokes. Epstein, Taliban, Dildo. There's the three jokes. Sometimes you'll do Dildo Taliban.

If it's a tougher him, I'll open with Dildo, Taliban, Epstein. Those are the three sort of jokes, really. Everyone knows. Those are the only three jokes. I think the Greek said that. No, I don't really, you know, art, we did the Renaissance last year, and I found that quite tough. I guess I can't ever really get on, I still just think, why are you doing this?

I am at my most Michael Owen when I'm in an art gallery. Was that mean boring and stupid? Yeah. Although just most kind of like, boorish, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Well, he's only seen eight films. You've only seen eight paintings. I couldn't remember the paintings I've seen.

I've seen the massive one in the National Gallery that's brilliant that the fucking it's easy for me to appreciate when it's fucking massive because it's a lot of paint I think fuck me that must take an age

now in the next episode we're talking about Picasso and I do I get on board with Picasso yeah I think the art's more interesting than Bangorff who I was talking about today

really interesting yeah I do so let's get into and you will have to be my life raft in this the impressionism is the big movement yes

that sort of So I think this is the best period of art. Just proceeds Van Gogh. I think this is like before it got to the point where they're cellar taping a banana to the wall. Yeah. And then after the point where they're just either doing super religious stuff or painting things if it was a photo. This is like the perfect blend of modern but still having the technique of the old craft. Right.

Where it's, I think this is like the sweet spot. And basically the impressionist movement was probably started by Monet and people who were sick of the traditional way that art was done. And that traditional way is basically trying to be photorealistic, right? Yes. So you paint a king and make it look as... The style will be photorealistic, but what your painting would often be religious scenes, would be myths, would be huge landscapes.

And it was... Dutch guys painting still life. And it was all set by the Paris Salon, which was like, I guess, like the industry. What? The Paris Salon. Gay Illuminati, yeah. The Paris Salon.

Yeah. So like the Edinburgh Comedy Awards. Yeah, right, right, right, right. And so they,

and they, yeah, Edinburgh Winge Festival. Yeah. But they moved away when they were basically trying to, uh,

make painting more emotional. So you're not just capturing reality. You're capturing maybe a moment, maybe the way that light shimmers on a lake and that, like slightly surreal moment. It goes into your eyes and it kind of all gets a bit hazy, try and capture that.

And it's more trying to capture memories, dreams, nostalgia. So it kind of, moves away from a and also at this point this is like the 1870s um slightly earlier is it 1860s this is just when photography is coming in in France right the first photo I think was in the 1850s right shit photo by the way you get the first photo up it's rubbish I do I feel like I relate more to that than I do any of the paintings were about so now that photos coming in and you can sort

of depict reality through photography it means that art's role should be to be more expressive Yeah, and the truth behind reality, I guess. How important do you think that photography is relative to painting in terms of the impact it can have on culture? Well, I don't know. I think photography now has been quite undermined because everyone's a photographer, right? Sorry, I think I'm not, I ask a trip

where Charlie's just asked a sincere question. So, Monet, right? Monet, is he the kind of origin of not? Yeah. Yeah, of impressionism, I guess. I don't know if you could say. And it's called impressionism because people would criticize... Shit painter.

Yeah, basically. You're not wrong. Presidents of a bully shit painter. But similar to suffragettes, it was what was the use of the insult. They turned it into a positive thing. Yeah, exactly. Ritame in the N-word. Yeah, it's the N-word.

Yeah. Impressionism is the N-wordism, basically. The United States is the weirdest country in the world right now. And it doesn't make any sense to anyone. No, it doesn't. But I want to make it a... bit less confusing. Oh, I do. Good. Well, our podcast can help. It's called American Friction, and it's out every Monday and Friday. We discuss all the big news from across the pond and explain

it all with world-leading experts. That's American Friction. Listen, right now, wherever you get your podcasts, right now. American Friction! So, yeah, people said, oh, that's not a painting. That's an impression of a painting. I'm not my impressionist. Yeah, exactly. They would use, and this is Monet, and then who's Manet? Did Manet do? So it feels stupid that there's a guy called Monnet,

and then another guy that called us like, well, I'll just call myself Manet. It's like, well, well, choose a different name. Yeah. So look, you see like that painting there, it's sort of, it's not depicting reality as it is. Zoom in, zoom in. The brush strokes, it's more of an impression of reality.

Is the girl on the left meant to look fucked? I think she probably looked quite fucked in reality. Fine. but... It's an impression of someone who might be disabled. Now, nowadays that's offensive. Offensive too.

To draw a kind of, like an offensive, like a sort of impressionist painting of someone with a disability would always be like a caricature, wouldn't it? Well, I think now if you see someone with an easel in public painting you, it's now starting to turn where you're like, I might get absolutely done over here.

Easel. No. I don't know what we... Do you just fart? But you know, what I mean back in the day someone's painting you it's like at least they're going to depict what's really going on but now with these freaks and it's all about the inner truth you have no idea what they're going to oh man no one's doing you over more than a fucking Bosnian refugee

by the Eiffel Tower they are doing you over man those Bosnians they get right you up have you ever had a character yeah yeah yeah is it the nose what's going on is big ears big gears, big jowls, big fucking second circle tummy. It's funny to get really upset with a caricaturist. What the fuck? Yeah, it would be funny to sign up for it and be like, and then start crying. That must have happened. There must be caricature artists where they're like, I'm so, I'm so sorry.

I didn't mean to. I didn't, sorry. It's like, yes, you did. You're a caricature artist. Or if they don't caricature you, that would be rude. That would actually be the worst thing, wouldn't you? Because they're like, perfect. It's not funny.

They're like, no, no. No, I can't mean. Actually, the best thing to do as a character artist would be someone sits down and just take a photo and go, yeah, look at that, you look fucked. Let's look at it. So there's one of the bridge. Does this do anything for you?

Click on that one. That one of that bridge. Looks like a nice bridge. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's nice. Do you not find it evocative, the colours? Yeah, I guess, I guess. In the way it kind of renders, you can imagine.

I see summer. I see summer. You see a memory of summer in the way that it captures life. I've not been there. No, but I know, but it must evoke past memories. Pluptu-playing poo sticks in the summer. Because I feel like if you think back to memories, they seem a bit more impressionist, right? Yes, no, that's true.

Yeah, I get that. Or you'll see light hit the water at sunset and it might trigger other memories of that. And that's why I get from impressionist. Yeah, no, that's fair enough. So how are they doing this? They're using more rapid brush strokes. Yeah. So I guess it's less refined, more expressive.

Also, impressionist, what they painted was they painted everyday life, which was seen as very radical because you're normally meant to paint. Stories from the Bible, Greek myths. Well, the Dutch cunts are doing fruit and windows and stuff. But that's still life. That's not candid, right? That's people setting up for a painter.

That's not upskirts. The French are upskirting. Of course. Impressionist upskirting. You're just like, like you're going underneath a car, like a mechanic. That would be very funny.

Shit. Show it to the woman. like, oh. It's a memory. It's about how it smells. Yeah, how it makes you feel. I think I probably want

an impressionist vagina more than a photo realist one, I think. You're right, actually. I'm probably if I was going to get a painting of one, you don't want a photo realist. No,

but impression of a penis would be quite hard, be quite tough, wouldn't it? Done, done. I'll take more time over it. Imagine a caricature or upskirtist. Upskirt caricaturist.

Huge clip. Yeah, making your family look as awful as possible. So go impressionist paintings. So this is just for context. we're talking about Van Gogh, which we'll get to eventually, but Van Gogh is sort of, he's, this is the...

He's very inspired by the impressionist. This is the artistic world that he kind of starts painting within, right? So impressionism is the big movement of the time. Yeah. So, but it seems to divide the art world. Yes. And it's very funny, because I went to, the best museum for all of this is the Muzid d'Orsay in Paris,

and it's very funny going around there, and I'm like, you'll read plaques, and it'll be like, this sent Victorian society into complete shock. And it'll be like a face. drawing of a lamp post. Right. And it's like,

it's so funny that that can like, people like throwing up, having diarrhea, screaming. You can't draw a boat like that. That only partly looks like a boat. Are you fucking crazy? But also,

crucially, the tin paint tube was invented. Yeah, this was really interesting. I don't know this at all. Which means that after 1840s, people campaign outside. So they can paint stuff

that's going on rather than just getting some of the handhouse. old camera or even the AK-47. It means that you can have like a cheap way to get out. Before that, they were just going, oh, that was nothing. They just had a, it just had a bow and arrow.

You know, and it looked weird. We should play, so when's Van Gogh born? Should we place that? He's born in 1853. Okay, interesting. Well, the 1800s is your sort of speciality. Love this. Okay, so this is the 1853.

This is just before Charles Darwin publishes on the origin species after rhyme at charlie before the origin of species and after we were all little fishes nice i'll take that we're little fishes little fucking feces little fucking feces that's a that's a that's a that's a great guy who's temporarily having to run one of those um salons where people dip their feet in the plant yeah come and sit down mate you want to deep your feet in little fucking feces or he's trying to he has to he has to explain evolution to his kids yeah Oh, well, fucking, uh, we're all that little fucking fecese.

Yeah, little, then we're a little fucking monkey man and then fucking sireche, fuck. Fucking hell, we're hot today. Hot today. So, Van Gogh is born 1853 in Zundet. And obviously his dad is a strict Dutch, uh, Calvinist pasta. Yeah. Pastor, not pasta. Pasta.

I don't want to eat calvinist. and his mother is minted and she's a real moody bitch she's prone to intense bouts of grief does that mean that people are dying all the time or she's just sad yeah just crying all the time we can't know can't know now this is pretty I think the story of Van Gogh is that he's basically one of the got to be one of the hardest most difficult pints ever I sure it's kind of like yeah it's a lifelong crash out would you say yeah yeah he's a fun fucking nightmare.

Really? Yeah, I think probably one of the, one of the people I'd least like to be friends with. Or have in my circle. Sure. You're like, fuck, I've got to cut him loose, man. He's just dragging us down. Yeah. But this is how great.

Can I bring my mate? Who is it? It's not Van Gogh, is it? Yeah. So Vincent, right, he's born exactly a year to the day after a stillborn brother, right, who had the exact same name. So every Sunday, Beethoven had to do this. Do you remember Beethoven was taken regularly to walk past a gravestone?

to see his dead brother who had the same name as him. So maybe if you're trying to build a genius artist just keep shoving the face next to their dead sibling. That could have been you, that. Not that could have been you.

He could have been you. You've got to do something great because... You've got to freak him out. It's just a morbidity. Introducing that as an early age means that maybe you have more developed artistic sensibilities.

But then also you had Beethoven's other brother. It sucks to be you, mate. Yeah, he's very smugged that he's not the dead one. well that's it is it third one I was going to handle it fell at the fucking

first hurdle mate Alfred duck so family members described Vincent as a thoughtful boy but difficult to understand

and that never changes no so he doesn't really he's not artistic at all until about age 16 he starts working for an art

dealer and then his uncle or his dad who is in the art world uncle's cent is an art dealer right

not 50 cent Uncle Sent. His uncle's also called Vincent. It didn't take off as well as 50 cents. It's 50 cents real name Vincent? No, it's Curtis. Right. So his uncle, Uncle Vincent,

nickname Uncle Sent, he is a wealthy international art dealer who mainly sells highly eroticized salon paintings. Now can we get up some of that, Charlie? Just type in Uncle Sent's highly eroticed salon paintings. And I want you to type that in word for word because you're just going to type in porn, aren't you? You're like shit.

You don't like them? That's the worst painting I've seen today. You don't like them? I think that's quite good. No, it's like a poster. It's actually quite pre-raphalite. Well, no, it's a poster of a painting. So these are posters,

paintings that are adorning the walls of drinking establishments where there's probably some prostitution. Is that right? Or is it garages? Mechanics garages, maybe. So, but then when he's working for Uncle Sen, he visits art galleries, he starts liking it.

He then tries to be a preacher, like his father. Yeah. But again, he can't ever really do something in a fun way. No. So...

He's not a laugh. He's not a laugh. And that's my problem with artists, actually. Is that they're not laughs. The better the art is, the worst the hang.

Yeah, for sure. And also, they don't have any sense of humor about their art. No. You know? I have a sense of humor about my art.

Yeah, well, yes. Yeah. Yeah, you'd hope so. Well, yeah, you'd have to. Yeah. Imagine I would take it. I'm wearing a fucking roll there. Excuse me?

it's a deeply, deeply insightful routine about paedophilia and child porn, actually. It's deeply offensive that you say it's not adding anything to the cultural conversation. I want to go on hard talk. I want to be interviewed by Adlon Yentop talking about my routine about child porn. Imagine with Finn Taylor.

Yeah, I think I first started writing jokes about Peter Files when I was probably 18, and I just found it so funny that there are people out there who think that's okay to do. I just never got over that. Obviously, it's not, though. It's very serious.

No, it's fucking hilarious, to be honest. Right. So anyway, so he takes, Vincent Van Gogh takes Christianity too literally. So he moved to a... Which is quite surreal painter. It's quite funny.

Yeah, but maybe he's escape... I think it's escapism, isn't it? Right. So he moves to a coal mining region. He gives all his possessions away. He sleeps on straw, starves himself because he thinks, in a sort of medieval sense

that Holy Man should suffer. witnesses describe him as gaunt, dirty and feral. He's one of those people who's like there's always a problem. And it's always something else. It's always something different. But the consistent theme is clearly you. Yes. They always come in and it's always I had the worst weekend ever.

Oh, this happened. Oh, I'm just not feeling up to scratch. When are you ever been up to scratch? Yeah. I'm getting sick of these people. Maybe it's something you're doing. How are you permanently on bad form? You can't always be on bad.

That's the definition of form is it's temporary, right? Yes. If either of your sons. Yeah. hopefully you're going to have many. Thanks, Charlie. Grew up to be like Vincent. How are you dealing with that?

What's the sort of childcare? Cat in the bin. Monday night. Get in there. Fuck off. Right. Go to the bin man. My son does love the bin man.

He fucking loves it. He loves it. He loves it. It's a strange age where he's ferociously trans. I mean, he's dressing up so... I was quite trans. So, like, he's, He's trying on my daughter's birthday.

She gets loads of tutus and like, you've got like a sort of samba jacket with feathers straight to my son. He's over that. But then he's going out of the bin men and going, bin men, bin's. I took him to the mechanic the other day. We had a flat tire and he was watching it in a dress being like, tire, change the tire. I want to get me, I want to see under the car.

And he's just in a full flowing ball gown. And I'm like, oh, I don't, fuck, I don't know. He's going hard. He's binary. Yeah. He's not non-binary. He's binary, but he's just both. Soon you'll have to leave London just because of this sort of.

metropolitan decay. Yeah, it is. It's too, it's indulgent. It's bourgeois perversion. But if, yeah, if Van goes your son and he, I don't, I don't know, man, I mean, you're beating the shit out of him. I don't know that.

I don't think that's gonna help, he'd probably like it, yeah. Daddy. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's just, you just have a most dad's son relationships where you speak like twice a year

and it's awkward. Yeah, is that his dad there? Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, that's a Protestant man right there. Yeah. There's some times when I look like that When my kids...

Why do you take a real interest in his paintings? Like you become like horrifically supportive. And I think the paintings would collapse immediately. As soon as you start showing interest, the next painting he does is complete crap. Yeah, it's the inside of his asshole. Yeah. Because he needs to be... He needs to be problematic.

That's what I mean. Would loving his paintings make him stop painting? Yeah, and you've got to think, if it's someone who's like Van Gogh, you know, you've got to think about the whole of human history, you've got to sacrifice to your relationship for the good of the art. Anyway, the years he spends in boronings,

right, this coal mining region, they're the first indicators of this pattern that will continue throughout his life, a sort of self-destructive pattern of obsession, sacrifice and ultimately collapse. He stops washing, he smears coal and mud all over his face in solidarity with the coal miners that he lives near.

He's a classic story of a middle-class person trying to help poor people, and all the poor people have been like... That's not actually helpful. Why is there another stinky bloke here? How is this helping at all? Yes, it's London. labor voters. It's like, can you just wash and just...

It's not solidarity that you're fucking here shitting all over the place and so... Yeah. Fucking wipe your ass, Zach Polanski. Come on. And his love life is obviously awful. He's desperate for intimacy and yet he's rubbing shit all over his face and he's stinky and feral. He's a nice guy

who's finished last sort of in-cell. Yes, he is an in-cell. It's a total in-sell. Now his cousin gets widowed, Kvostriker. And then fucking Vincent's like, cousin. cousin husband's died here we go

here we fucking go he like he finally wipes his ass he's like oh hang on buy some new trousers cousin's single again right

so then he's like brilliant cousin right here we go he tries he cracks on and then she's like the fuck are you doing right

not only you're fucking stinky weird you're stinky but with cousins right she says never, never do that again. She says no,

nay, never. Is that the quote? Is that dyslexia or the quote, Phoebe? Okay, sorry. No, nay, never. I'd pick one of them, I don't know. So she rejects him and then what he does is he holds his hand over like a candle, over a flame in front of her, and he says,

I'm going to just keep it there until you go out with me. It's weird, Vincent. Vincent, that's not what girls want. Yeah, it's really pressuring. So yes, go out with me. And then they just blow the candle out kick him out of the house. It's sad. Pathetic.

Pathetic. And then he moves in with... The big narrative about Van Gogh is like he was a misunderstood genius. Everyone was so cruel to him. He was a fucking nightmare. Everyone understood what he was. It was a dirty little rat. He should be kicked out of the house.

Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off. He moved in with someone called Sien Heurnik, who's a pregnant alcoholic prostitute. Don't slack her off. Fucking triple threat. he tries to save her pregnant alcoholic product

that's yeah perfect woman dream woman tries to save her but they both get syphilis fucking hell what I will say is that's we could carry up with Bangor

there's no redactal there's no light at all yeah the best thing about him is the paintings yeah and I don't fucking understand what they are he then

he eventually abandons the prostitute which you know I get I'm gonna guess do your duty a bit maybe stick by the pregnant alky prostitute but did he impregnate her no no no no no yeah I guess so who knows

what are you saying that he thinks he's too good for her well you know have some self-esteem I suppose he also has this affair with an older neighbour called Margot Bergman he's 31 she's 43 uh uh uh

Uh-uh. Uh-huh. But her family, her family says, please do not go out with this man. He's horrible and he smells and he's awful. Fair enough. And then she attempts suicide.

So he's obviously got, I mean, women do like fucking awful men, don't they? Yeah, I mean, sort of. This is a 43-year-old woman and a pregnant alcoholic prostitute.

It's more like no one else is going for them apart from this guy who's not wiping his ass. Right. So she's so desperate. but for a lot of, I don't know if he's, he's pulling a lot of women.

Right. So he starts drawing in his late 20s. And so he's late. He sort of fails, he's like the opposite of Hitler in that he fails as a preacher and starts becoming an artist. Yeah. Yeah.

So in 1880, he decides to become an artist. And their lives cross over? Their lives do cross over. Yeah. Hitler's born nine years after this. Interesting. So,

it would be a great. If you hear and them both talk about art, it would be a great conversation. I'd love that. Yeah. Fascinating to hear what their two different views are. He's self-taught, obviously, and he likes sketching peasants and workers. Yeah. And so his early works were all very dark.

Yeah, he's a middle-class guy who's Corbynite. Yeah. He's insecure about his wealth. Yes. And it's just all that. But then just drawing poor people feels a bit fucking creepy. Yeah, if I did that, it would quite follow him. Carragor's poor.

Sad, fat. Adolf Hitler made very few public comments about Vincent Van Gogh. But he reportedly saw reproduction of Van Gogh Sunflowers, a complaint to his former associate that the artist's colours are too loud. That's hilarious. On the 250 anniversary of the National Gallery, they had a massive Van Gogh thing.

This is probably my favourite one. Not to die. That's pretty good though when you say. So for me, that's as good as it gets. Really? Yeah, as good as he gets. And the colours there are amazing. Get the photo up of the American soldier in Vietnam

staring at the camera. Right. Because that's for me as as good as it gets. Well, that compares the time. then. Yeah. Awesome. The thousand yards stare, the reality of war, you see it all in his face.

It's in profile, so you're imagining what's where the camera is and what's happening there and what he's seen and what he's having to do. And he's also looks, his body is the, he's so fragile and yet he's so masculine at the same time. And it's kind of the, I think that the true effects of war never been rendered better than in that photograph. I mean, this is Charlie when he's come, on a come down. It's a Charlie, every Monday.

How is good he gets for me. do you want to read that out charlie yes for people listening just to say you've got a meme up this is as good as I get um yes I support LGBT Lager Gear Beans Toast I mean that as well

yeah do you know what That is a Charlie weekend right there Lager Gear Beans Toast You know what If the National Gallery had a meme exhibition I'd fucking go I'd love that If you had the National Gallery

And that was massive of that. Well, it's like Gerlika. It takes for a whole wall. Yeah, whole wall. Like a kid of his time. Oh, where's that pride?

Anyway, so come on, then let's get into some of his page. So he's just a painting called the potato eaters. Sounds like a slur. It does sound like a slur. Let's see the potato eaters?

What, is he drawing Irish people, is he? Let's have a look. This is an early work of Van Gogh, the potato eaters. Yes. always about grim peasant life or like trying to romanticise. It's very dark, isn't it? So it's five people, five ugly people in a house eating potatoes.

Fucking hell. I've never seen this before. The faces are slightly... He's still working his craft out, though. He's in the open mic. You can see the effects of the racial science air he's breathing. Because I'd say the faces are not by today's standards. You know, if they're on a mural in East London and you're supporting it, you're getting kicked out.

You know? yeah okay so again there's a sort of there's a the noble poor i guess is his news at the moment definitely definitely um and as uh letters from this period revealed this kind of messianic intensity where he's like the more i become spent ill a broken picture the more i am an artist so would you say vango is the first like depressed artist well he's probably the archetype he's probably the archetype right and the idea of like um to make great art you need to live a life of pain and being misunderstood. This is where this starts, would you say?

Yeah, I'd say so. Yeah. But I mean, his whole story about how the fact that he was misunderstood while he lived and all of the appreciation happened after he died, sort of probably has inspired a lot of shit artists. Sure. Who are like, no, I know that no one likes my stuff now. Everyone says it's crap and everyone calls me a pedo.

Yeah. But when I die, whereas I think maybe we'll be the opposite. Yeah. But we really appreciate it while we live. How the fuck they get away with that? How are they the biggest patron in the UK They're just calling every historical figure of paedophile

Three times a week How the fuck are they done that? This is rubbish This is absolutely slurry Because they were wearing suits How would have they got away with that? Yeah As soon as we die

This ends they were like Fuck, I don't know I don't know what the fucking A lot of men will go to their wives And go sorry, I don't know why I was so obsessed with that I can't Yeah I mean it is We're Jimmy Savils really

Yeah I guess he is the reverse van go. Yeah, it was so obvious the whole time. Saville, Sir James Saville, was never truly appreciated after he died. But thankfully, he got to see all the appreciation while he lived. Got every inch of it.

Nice and the bell. Once he'd got all of it, it was like, perfect. You know, my plate is full. Dead. Die the happy man. God bless Sir James Saville. He died with a smile on his face. Yeah.

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I'd say so. I think the late 19th century. This is fantasy at La Paris. This is the Woody Allen film. This is a midnight of Paris. Well, yeah, sort of. Well, so you say 1880s to 1920s. Yes.

That period. I'd say so. And then it's their painting. It feels the most romantic to be an artist at this time. Yes. Where you can like lit the, this is where like absence on the rise, the fucking bohemians. Have you had absinence? I have never had absent. Oh, I have.

And what? Does it give you psychedelic? If you drink a lot of it, which Van Gogh does, right? Mango gets really... Because this is the beginning of like, what is it, the chat noir, the bohemian sort of underground scene. That fucking poster that single women in their 30s have on their wall. Bibi, for sure. Yeah.

We went to an immersive. So she got me a present. which was a present for her which was an immersive dining experience of the chat noir. Fucking hell. Put a bullet in my head. Just hearing that.

Just hearing that. You went there though. I know but I've got to listen to you talk about in the next two minutes. You killed yourself. An immersive chat noir. Fucking me. God the people spend their money on.

Things people spend. Sorry, go on. Yeah. And so it felt absent, I guess, was the the gear of the day. They didn't have any packet to do. So I think it's 70% alcohol and you just drink enough and you start seeing things.

It's green. It's got all these compounds. So I went to, when I was, I must have been 1718 on a school trip to Paris. And me and my mates, wild boys, we went to Pair Les Chairs,

which is the cemetery where Jim Morrison's, and the doors were. We were quite into the doors at the time. So we went and did a little like, you know, saw the grave and then went to the cafe next door and did the whole thing

where you have like a sort of statue of liberty but out of steel and then you the little cup you pour the absenteenth on then you have a sugar cube and it melts of sexual teenager then you go fuck a teenager and you come back and you drink it and yeah so it can cause hallucinations but you have to drink quite a lot of it to get there we just had you get that with like k cider uh yes it's similar thing there's a ritual behind k cider you go to the park um you wait to the sun goes down what's absinth like then uh it's did you make you a better artist um no

I still can't draw, but I tasted slightly of like mouthwash and my eyes began to hurt. Right. It was kind of an instant headache. Right. You know, it's like port. Hang over immediately. You drink port and you're like, why have I done that? I've already fast forwarded as tomorrow.

This is awful. Anyway, so, but Van Gogh starts absolutely hoofing the stuff. Sure. He loves it. And so some neurologists today believe that his use of yellows and swirls are a result of the chemical poisoning. Well, you said your eyes hurt. Yeah.

No, he genuinely did. kept going down that road, you'd be a great artist. Yeah, because there's this thing called Xanopoecea, I don't know how the fuck I'm meant to say that. Xanthopsia, right, which is in absent, which makes everything appear tinge with yellow. Right. Well, maybe it did work,

because that's why this sets like this. So, he's in the, he's in the air of this Belipok period. And he's, this is where, is this is like, this is the montage in the film of his life? This is where his best work is done, is it?

I don't think he's where his best work. It's best work probably done an aisle when he goes down to South France. Okay. So this is,

the problem with the Paris scene is it's almost too social. Right. Because the great artists of Paris in the Belaport there's this, it's this great coming together

of artists. It's everyone's, every night they're discussing the theories of where art's going to be and it's this like incredible metropolis. I can't think of anywhere I'd rather less be.

Yeah. In Paris, for firstly, right, listening to artists talk about art. Bullet, bullet, bullet. So you got the pair of shoes up.

That's a, it was interesting. Fucking hell. Chews up old lesbian hiking boots. But there was an essay about the difference between modernist art and postmodern art comparing those shoes to the Warhol shoes. And those shoes are, it's a peasant shoes that reflect a wider life, right?

You see that, it's a pair of peasant shoes and it evokes something. I would say that the use of the light in that painting, however he's done that, is amazing. Because, yeah, I don't understand how I'd even get near to that. But as a subject, someone's worn old chews. It leads you to think certain things. It implies a life beyond it.

That's modernist art in many ways. Too chewed up old leather boots, never worn. Sure, fine. Sad story. And then he compared that. This is an essay I was reading. Yeah. With Warhol's ballet shoes.

So this is postmodern art, which he's basically saying postmodern art's crap. Which I would agree with. Yeah. It's from an ad. And then he's just stripped them of its color and reprocess it. And all post-modern art really does is just recontextualise other forms of media. And he said that's the kind of contrast between. Yeah, because there's no skill to Warholsting at all.

Yeah, it's just re-contextualizing it. It's kind of playing on advertising commercialism. Yeah. Whereas modernist art, it's sort of like, it implies a world beyond it. I mean, now it's just doing a pool on the floor, isn't it? Now it is. That's art now. Yeah.

Re-contextualizing. But Van Gogh is painting a pool on the floor. But yeah, that would be the difference. Yeah, yeah. He would paint a peasant's poo and you'd see from that poo a life lived. But this is where in Paris

he starts to get influenced by all the impressionist stuff and he abandons all the dark colours. And this is where he discovers basically he discovers yellow. Yeah. Right. Is there a change in the paints

that are available? Like is it egg white come in or something? It feels like the technology. So what's the painting of the cafe with the big yellow warning? That's all. Oh, is that? And you can go there now

and it's like a tourist trap. Oh, fine. Yeah. Okay, so but in Paris he develops the big swirling, thick pain. Yeah, so that's in the light, sunfrons. And the bright colours. So I guess is no one else doing bright colours? Why is he standing out from the crowd?

Apart from the, these are fucking madcon. I think his understanding of colour is so much more extraordinary than anyone else's in the whole history of art. I think that's why he stands out probably the most, is that his ability to depict scenes and, his choice of colour and his way of mastery basically is kind of unparalleled. But by colour, do you mean

the impact it has on light? The impact has on light, on emotion, on feeling, just the colours he can get out of paint. So you just had more colours? I think the choice of colours, I guess. Right. What are your favourite colours?

That's a good question, actually, Charlie. To be fair, that's a good question. What is your favourite colour? Well, it depends. To where? Or to... I think just in the more childlike sense. Probably a really poppy kind of royal blue.

Yeah, that makes sense. I see you go for blue suits often. Yeah. What's your favourite colour, Charlie? Red. Really? You don't strike me as a red. No, but you're very impulsive.

Yeah. But that's like first page of porn hub colour. Red's the first colour. Yeah. It's like a two-year-old's colour. Black and orange are his favourite colours. My favourite colour is forest green probably. Forest green rovers.

Yeah. But red is funny because I feel no one says red past the age of two or for some reason. Do you know what I mean? Red's not. No one says red. Because red's like the first one you choose and then you have to defying yourself against it.

Grow up. In 1888 he leaves to go to the south of France. And this is probably his richest period. With a guy called Gogin. Now who's he? He's another post-impressionist, I imagine. Right. and they both admired each other Gogan

so if he had sex with lots of people it'd be a Goggan Gagam yes yes it would not David Goggins Charlie come on David Gogan

who's going to carry the paintbrushes at first they admired each other but soon Van Gogh's personality comes out sorry on Gogan did Gogan end his life

as a sex tourist or is that someone else So a lot of these French painters You're a die hero and lived long enough to become a sex tourist No genuinely Because Van Gogh killed himself So he didn't live long enough to go to

A lot of French paints Because you know they had a lot of Pacific islands The French colonial empire At this time So they became fascinated with the kind of indigenous form This is more your speed actually I'm listening I'm listening Where the impressionist painter

As opposed to just to pitching Victorians at the beach They were like We got new faces and heads to draw And so they'd move out to like French Polynesia Tahiti and then they'd fuck all the young girls out there and then... Fair enough.

So in Arl, where they have this house which Van Gogh wants to make like a... Okay, right. It's sort of... It's kind of like artistic phrenology in a way. But again, phrenology is a science.

It is a science. But this is phrenology if it was an art. But it's not an art. It's a definite science and it has boundaries and it has rules and that's why I like it. Fine.

Okay. I was trying to create a bridge and olive branch. No, but the problem is is that you're bridging the humanities with the sciences. Phrenology is an exact science. Yeah. Okay?

Yeah. Anyway, this is where he paints to the yellow house, which is another famous one. Very famous, yeah. The only one I know is a self-portrait in the starry night. Those are the two that I know.

Sunflowers, you know? Well, the bedroom. Well, the bedroom. You know Van Gogh's bedroom. I know. You do know. Look, that one. You know that one of his bed. You've seen that.

Yeah, I have. Yeah, you've seen loads of them. I didn't think I was Van Gogh. I thought that was just like a kid who did that. I mean, that's not a million miles on the shit on my fridge, I'll be honest. No, that's, yeah. Yeah, that's crap.

It's not crap. It's not crap. That is crap. It's extraordinary. Why is it extraordinary? Look at that, the actual technique on show. You don't need to pretend to think that. Do you actually think that's crap?

You're engaged. You don't need to fucking pretend like that. It's all bologues. I'm getting married. Yeah, why are you pretending anymore? Why are you pretending? I'm not trying to fucking attract a French girl with a fucking heaven.

with a fucking heavily cut fringe. Until I'm divorced, I'm not going to like art again. Exactly. And then you don't have to like art when you're divorced because you've got money, you can go to fucking Southeast Asia. No one in South East Asia going, oh no, the ping pong shows here are really, really good actually.

No, the Technique on show. Ah, come on. When he gets to Arl, this is kind of his most mental period, you'd say. Also, his most artistic. And he's putting loads out, because it was like the Beatles. He was only around for like 10 years, and he made like thousands. Yeah, thousands of paintings, right?

So Van Gog and Arl in Arl. has consistent hallucinations, insomnia, anxiety, depression. He does have anxiety, depression. Well, this is why I love sunflower so much. Depression, violent, emotional swings. Now, it's still debated what was actually going on in his head, but people nowadays would say he was possibly bipolar, cunt's clapped.

Temporal lobe, epilepsy, meniere's disease, which is where you get tinnitus, I think. Schizophrenia, alcoholism, and lead poisoning. supposedly he would always keep a paintbrush in his mouth people think he was just eating the paint and the paint had lead in it and all sorts in it so yeah but in our traffic lights in the famous history traffic light system

I guess he's a yellow red he's a yellow turning into red basically but that's not that's not traffic light that's a spectrum yes I guess so so he's yellow but he might have be transitioning into red no because red is down syndrome basically no but down syndrome he's not far off no but he's not down syndrome

he's not far off at the end of his life. If you're on a mental asylum, you're cross-eyed. And he doesn't know what day it is. I think you're kind of red. Okay, fair enough. So he's a man who, through his life, translated from a strong yellow to red, to a red.

Right. But he was never green. Never green. Never once green. So people think that, obviously, I mean, during all this painting, all he has is coffee, bread and tobacco. That's all he has.

But first, coffee. He writes letters to his brother. Is that his brother? Yeah. he wrote a lot of letters so there's a lot of actual evidence of his mental state one of them says quote

I can say that as regards my mental state the fear of madness has already passed considerably so he's walking into it he's open for it but this is where he does all his great works

but this is what no pussy does to a man yeah because he's not shagging he's still not getting laid at all is he no but he's trying yeah he goes to a lot of brothels yeah but it's still not

his loneliness so this is why he's doing this shit the thing he's most known for in December 1818 Just so listeners are aware Hitler is in his mother's womb Okay, just a twinkle So Alois Hitler has busted

The sperm that will turn into Is that how you'd start the Hitler biopic? Yeah You'd have a lowest hitler going Oh And then you have a little taphole With a little tash And then the tab was like killing all

Yeah There's always like It's like Buddha There's crum There's Greta Thurnberg. There's all these other clubs. You'd see, you'd be the spirit of Woden, leave Nietzsche. The spirit of Woden has left Nietzsche at this point.

Sure. That's how you start the film. It's in transit. You start the film with Nietzsche like that. And then it kind of evaporates. You have him being cross-eyed with his sister charging, and then it would zoom into his cross-ed eyes and then move up to his dad, toe-curling coming.

Yeah. That's my Hitler biopic, which I actually is in development. It is in development. but we need more funding. Okay, we need more funding. The tax breaks aren't there. Anyway, so Van Gogh is having weeks of tension with Go-Gang-Bang, David Goggins,

and he pushes Vincent over the edge. And so Van Gogh in this kind of mad rage gets a fucking razor. Now that must be a cut-to-out razor in this day and age. This is pre-Gillette and severs his outer ear. The best a man can get. And then he wraps his ear. Great Gillette ads.

Yeah, he wraps his ear in some newspaper, like his fish and chips, goes to the local brothel and gave it to a girl called Rachel and said, keep it careful. So he's kind of like, he's probably, he's got zero Riz, would you say? He's probably got the least Riz. He's got the same amount of Riz as a cat bringing a dead bird to the back of the house. Yeah. What am I going to do with that?

He really doesn't know. He needs to watch videos of how to speak to women. Yeah, yes. So, please, he then just goes back and just carries on bleeding. Yeah. Please find him in bed and they take him to hospital. He doesn't remember any of this. But while he's recovering,

he makes sunflowers. Sunflowers doesn't do much for me, to be fair. No. It's not. I mean, my kid can do flowers like that. That's such a stupid idiot thing to say. What do you mean? What do you've not seen the trite

my kid brings back from the nursery? Maybe I've not seen what your kid paints. So maybe they're a genius that you can't see because you have such a low view of art. This is not genius. People at the time were right. They were trying to do us a favour. They were saying you're a fucking mad con

who just keeps drawing yellow. Right? Just because people afterwards said, oh, romanticised his illness, you know, doesn't mean I'd get anything from that. That's someone who's run out of fucking other colours. Well, yeah, he probably had run out of other colours.

But if you only got yellow, that's a pretty good painting to do, I reckon. Look at those middle flowers. They're fucked, but that's part of the detail of the thing is that... Well, if it's fucked then everything my kid draws is good.

No, my kid just scribbles and goes, Daddy, and you're like, well, yeah, I guess so. Some of the sunflowers are fucked and that's an interesting state of the flower to depict, right? Because it's clearly his mental state. It's not all gleaming. You're giving him so much credit.

What's it? She's really into it so much. It's depressing. But what I mean is, because of the story of his life and he's just cut his ear off, people go, oh, he meant to draw it all fucked. Yeah, but this is not the only painting he's done. He's done about 2,000 paintings

and they're all... They're all the same though. Anyway, he draws the sunflower one and then after the ear thing so he's recovering but I guess is his ear just wrapped in newspaper the whole time? I guess so.

He paints his ear, doesn't he? Yeah, he then starts bringing self-portraits and he does look like a smelly cun, isn't he? That's good. Yeah, that is good. But then if you're drawing yourself, why have you drawn your eyes so close together? Well, maybe his eyes were that close together.

That's how he's in the truth He felt like as I was close together Is it quite rock and roll to wrap your ear In like the daily style Is that quite cool? There's something quite cool about it Do you like that painting Charlie That's a sunflower

No the self portrait That this one You don't Do you don't think that's quite He looks fucked He's like cross-off Yeah but yeah It's not longer gear binge toast

Fine No it's not longer gear beans toast I agree with you on that Right so after after the ear thing the town is obviously like this cunt's mental the whole town that's when you know your mentor the town's like you fuck off so you get the town signs a petition

to banish the red-headed madman that's crazy and the petition is successful so the police lock him out of the house and he's banned from the neighbourhood he's basically like treated like he's on the sex offenders register so he admits himself to an asylum and it's in the asylum that he from the bedroom window that he draws Starry Night

his most famous painting which I yeah I like Starry Night I went to the Bango Interactive Exhibition Oh yeah who dragged you you there? Well, it was good for kids. Right, right. Amanda booked it.

It was said at this time there was like a cosmic, like a hundred year cosmic incident. So the moon was bright. But then that makes you want to see a photo of the incident. Are you saying what? And also,

I don't trust him. He's cut his own ear off. But is, the beauty of that is that he's gone completely insane. He's looking at his window and that's what he's seeing. And like,

he's just seeing something that no one else is seeing. I don't know. It just makes me want to be sober. I'm seeing that. I'd be like, fucking out. I've got to sort my life out.

I've got to get eight hours sleep and fucking you know cold plunge but he thinks it's a failure that's interesting well yeah no one everyone hates him

and no one's painted like this before the one the one with the cafe one that is great yeah it's evocative it's very evocative you can hear the noises of the people on the street makes me think of summer holidays

I'm on a city break and the kids aren't there I really like that um in the late 1880s 80s, around the time of Hitler's birth, Van Gogh's neurological disease, they think becomes neurocophilis,

which is not neurodivergence. It's the logical end point. I guess it is the logical end point. Well, you get a medal of having neurocophilis. This is when syphilitic bacteria bores itself into the central nervous system, which causes auditory hallucinations and paranoia and sudden mania. So, July 1890,

Vincent van Gogh is finally thinking clear, and walks into a wheat field carrying a revolver. Fair play. Hours later, he comes back to his room clutching his stomach, which is bleeding out. And this is how unlucky and fucking insol he is. He tries to kill himself, but the bullet deflects off a rib,

and so he just lays dying while his wound goes septic. And there's nothing worse, is there? The being of the point of life, where you're like, my life's so fucked to kill myself. Because I'm such a loser, I'm so pathetic.

And then you can't even do that. Yeah. It just reiterates your point more so. But also, Why are you shooting yourself in the tummy? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, help yourself, man. Maybe that's the point, though.

Anyway, so he basically just bleeds out over like two days. And his last words, fuck me, this is emo crap. His last words to his brother on his deathbed are the sadness will last forever. Where are you? Fuck you, ma'am. It's basically his last words of fuck you, mum.

Yeah. And then at the funeral, his coffin surrounded by sunflowers, which nowadays would be a huge statement if you did that. died. Few people attended. Francis Bordraudar dies.

They're just chucking in some flams. Checking their lanyards on. No one attends it. And then basically after Vincent kills himself. There's a lot of mental illness in the family. It's not just, he's been sucking on. They're all fucked.

Yeah. And then Theo goes into a psychotic frenzy and attacks his newborn baby and wife. And then he's institutionalized. And then he becomes severely paralyzed, loses his mind and dies in an asylum. And the thing about Theo is he can fucking paint. So.

Yeah, I guess. Do you know what I mean? He doesn't even get the upside. He's just mental. Yeah, he's just fucked. So, yeah, you're right. Van Gogh dies, what, age 37? Yeah.

And so he only works as an artist for 10 years, but he introduces nearly a thousand paintings and another thousand drawings. And basically the only reason that he's so well known is that Theo's widow, Johann Van Gogh, Bongo. She's love a note. She basically, it's similar to, I imagine,

Custer's widow, goes in a professional widow tour to try and, you know, drum up his legacy. So she organises exhibitions and letters and promotes it. And when does he become like a star? How long after his death does he become? So he's probably the most, probably considered widely in the art community,

The Goh, probably. Yeah, is he? I'd probably say so. Of all painters, he's probably the most famous. What paintings would we not have if it weren't for Van Gogh? I guess it's the transition from impressionism to modern art and surrealism. So you wouldn't have Tracy Mee and doing a poo on the floor

for the National Gallery? Yeah. Abstract expression. So we wouldn't have abstract art. Yeah, basically. We wouldn't have Jackson Pollock without Bangor. What's the current one then, which is modern? Yeah, I don't know what it would be called now.

It's a lot more mixed media, I guess. Mixed media, Christ. Which I really don't like. You must be really horny to go to a mixed media exhibition. Fuck me, damn bad. Yeah, I'm so, I haven't had a fucking. drip for 30, 30 days. God.

I'm watching a naked Japanese man to sit on balloons on an old telly. Yeah. God, I want to have sex with this girl. Yes, Charlie. Is Van Gogh, the kind of original tortured artist? I'm pretty sure. We said that.

We said that so often in this episode. Yeah. What are you doing about there? Getting FIFA Street up. Just like you're the original retired producer. You'll be looked back on. Yeah, going like, oh, this producer

who's the archetype. That disabled guy behind the screens on this podcast, that wouldn't exist without Charlie Milner. Yeah. So to sum up, that's the life of Van Gogh. I guess the thoughts on the paintings are I like the colours, but it doesn't really, it doesn't really do it. I mean, the cafe one, I like the siesta painting is probably my favourite one. Can I do better? No, but I also think it would be a waste of time.

and that's kind of what I think about art in general general next episode we'll be talking about a friend of the pod it must be said Pablo Picasso who I am very interested in the way not his art the way he lived as a man the awu heard around the world my goodness

Pablo Picasso and we'll be getting surrealism Dali will be into the 20th century and we'll be joined by fiance of the pot's Fiancee BBK

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