Fin vs History - Dark Chocolate is Woke Nonsense | The Aztecs (Part 4/5)
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Welcome back to Finn v. History.
I'm here with the ratio goals.
Hello.
It's part four of our epic Aztec series.
Where are we?
Where are we?
Monti's been captured by Cortes.
In a kind of weird way.
He's under house arrest.
Sort of.
Sort of.
He's under house arrest, but he's also sort of still the emperor.
People are kind of a bit disgruntled.
Yeah.
There's like, in the Spanish accounts,
there's just like 200 Spanish people keeping the emperor captive in a city with
thousands of people.
Montezuma.
seems like a strange, even if he is not as subservant as he's painted to be.
He's still like, yeah, no, I'm fine.
It's your, it's your girlfriend's best friend's boyfriend.
You know, just an odd bloke.
Yeah, I don't want to hang out with him.
Yeah, I wouldn't choose him to be my mate.
Actually, do you know what?
Now I'm thinking not, I am thinking of my, yeah, that.
He's like Montezuma.
Yeah, I got.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, it's hard to explain, but it's just a bit odd.
What?
Just sat next to him at a wedding.
Oh.
Wait, what do you do again?
It's boring and strange.
Yeah.
It's strange, but it's not exciting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So,
Montezuma's now on the house arrest.
I imagine it's like that bit from,
you know, that meme of Pablo Escobar and Marcos.
Very much so.
Standing around, looking at the pool.
Seemingly.
He's in his own city.
Yeah.
I mean, they sneak messages to him.
So he's like,
he's managing to communicate a little bit with his people,
but still just not enough.
don't know. But then we just really don't know
how much of this is true or not.
Apparently he played bull
or an Aztec version of bull, which is
probably with sort of kids' heads or something.
Is bull balls? Yes.
What's bool? French.
Is that of this out of right? Petonk.
Plotonk. Tiggly winks. Tiddly winks. Tiddly winks.
Tiddly winks. Tiddly winks are who he's feeding to the
Down syndrome.
Sorry, of course. He's fiddly winks, which is
a fat kid's dick that you've sacrificed
which is
food for the Down syndrome people that he
keeps in a zoo.
Do you think you'll become a Bolesman when you grow older?
I'm already a Boles, Bouls man.
I love a bit of Potonk.
What's Plotonk's different, right?
Plotonk's when you chuck up and...
What?
What? Hello?
Petonk is...
It's French.
Right.
It's all French.
But can you see yourself, yeah, retiring into a Boles Club?
Retiring into a Bowles Club?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, we know I go on holiday to France,
where there's normally a bull court.
I like the public ones where you can just sort of just play random people.
but then yeah
the bowls clubs
are kind of different
you I want a game
let's do it
me and you
let's hash this out
yeah
so he plays
Aztec balls
the phrase
petonk
murder can be interpreted
in a couple of ways
in one instance
an escaped circus
elephant
accidentally killed
a man playing
petonk
in another
a woman was killed
in a brutal
murder
in a small French village
in the setting
of the crime
in the occasion
were right
were you googling
to see if anyone
never died playing
batonk
I was trying to
find if anyone
had been born
playing Patonk
but actually
there's only
the murders by an elephant
and a man. So the kills her death rate show
Plotonkers... 2-0. Right, okay.
So anyway, Astax,
Montezuma's playing Patonk sometimes.
He's sort of monitoring on in captivity.
There's a nice story of a Spanish soldier named
Trudio who accidentally
farts in Montezuma's presence.
Montezuma tells them off but then gives them some gold.
There's what I mean, it's mixed messages. It's a weird.
It's a very weird guy.
Don't you fucking do that?
Keep fucking fucking disgusting.
Yeah, he's a man who's a man
who's deeply ashamed of his own sexual
woman else is going,
don't fucking fuck him
he's like a guy
who's subscribed to like a pay pig
sort of.
Pay pig,
guess what he is.
Yeah.
Call me a fucking horrible little person.
Don't sacrifice that fat boy.
Keep fucking sacrifice that fat boy.
So Jihio does it again,
hoping for more gold.
And then Montezuma reports him
going, you're fucking terrified.
And takes him off guard duty.
But then he's like,
fucking keep, come down to my house later
and fart my head.
But you know,
Charlie was
earlier,
Stupid Charlie,
was amazed by,
kind of the first time
in this podcast
I've seen
to be amazed by
history in a way
that was talking
about a man's fart
from hundreds of years ago.
It's amazing
that the fart
that reverberates
through centuries.
The fart that was
heard around the world.
Charlie's just
Googled the most
famous fart in history.
This is,
I'll just say
this is part four
of a series
and so of course
we're down to,
we're down for scraping
the barrel.
Well, the notion
of a quote,
most famous fart
is subjective.
and often involved
historical anecdotes or comedic performances
here are a few notable events
King Aprize Revolt
569 BC
A fart in the Egyptian court
is said to a spark to revolts against King Aeprease
The Jerusalem Incident
44080s
I mean that is
If you have a fart that's called
The Jerusalem incident
Well a Jerusalem is incident
That's the way that you talk about like
Sorry that's said to have led to the death of 10,000 people
demonstrating the potential
with a flatual interest to escalate into more serious events.
Roland the Fartre, now that I'd like to be known...
Yeah, no, no, Roland the Fartter, I've heard about Roland the Farter.
This is, he got...
This guy's amazing, Ronald the Fartter.
12th century British figure was given a manor and land in exchange for performing a jump,
a whistle and a fart for King Henry II's Court at Christmas.
So he was literally, it was like aspirational, I guess, working class, found his way into the court.
He was so good at jumping, farting and whistling.
At the same time?
He got into...
Wow.
And he got land out of it.
So he became landed.
Did he just...
Charlie, you just try and whistling a fart at the same time.
Don't squeeze a fart out.
Don't squeeze a farce out.
Fucking hell.
Leave that to Roland the farta.
But he got, I wonder if...
What would have happened if you just pooed yourself by mistake then?
What would have happened?
What would have happened if our producer is just...
Oh no.
What would have happened?
Would you have kept me on?
I don't...
I mean, you seem to be able to keep be kept on no matter what you do.
Anyway, so there is rising tension
between Montezuma and the Spanish.
Now, eventually Montezuma allows the Spanish and Cortez
to build a shrine to Jesus on top of one of the temples.
Again, it's just weird that he seems so kind of,
like, pliant on Tussuma.
Yeah, just kind of, maybe he's suffering from just depression.
I guess it's like...
Or does he genuinely think that he can't conceive of a way
in which the Spanish are on top?
And he's like, in the same way that I imagine
when he finds someone with a doubt,
down syndrome he's like well you're going in the zoo yeah you can have a shrine to snacks on top of
the pyramid or whatever you want lad what do you want some chris is that your special god yeah yeah go on
yeah go on yeah or do you think just the rush of uh stimuli from being met by a whole new
race of people world yeah it's just so oh i'd love to me imagine a new race there's a new race we
didn't know about well so you'd be the first person to a racist accent yeah so you're like uh
you're christopher columbus of racist
which he was yeah
well he was
yeah
I mean
Christopher Columbus
is the Christopher Columbus
of racism
yeah I mean
he discovered so many things
that's the thing
is people only ever go out
on about the new world
yeah
and not the new racism
yeah yeah yeah
yeah that would be amazing
if you could lead that
I guess
I guess we could hope
for aliens
yes
that's kind of what you're
like
yeah
yeah yeah
yeah I guess
that's what I'm hoping for
I just love
I mean, it's in the same way we're talking about, you know,
getting tired of listening to the same music.
It's, you know, it's, you know, it's tiring the same races, you know.
I want some new things to work with.
Yeah.
A potter needs new clay.
New stereotypes.
New stereotypes.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So anyway, the Aztec priests are outraged that Montezuma just lets the Spanish do this.
Which is fair enough.
And so the priests warn Montezuma that the gods, or their fruity gods, they want,
want the foreigners dead.
So Montezuma asks the Spanish to leave.
And as he does this, he shares the news that he's known for a while.
This is weird, that some more Spaniards have arrived at Veracruz and they're looking for
them.
Or rather, he's seen some Spanish ships on the coast.
This is the beginning of the third act of the film, right?
Yeah, this is where things really start to speed up.
Yeah.
Now, this is where our old friend Diego Velazquez from Cuba, so Cortez's old rival, he has, of
Of course, Cortez has been gone rogue.
He's been ignoring his orders.
So he has sent a fleet of 1,400 men and 90 horses.
That's 90 dogs with big cocks.
Yeah, far outnumbering Cortez's force.
He sent them.
But he's absolutely livid because I think he's found out somehow about Cortez's going rogue.
Well, he already knew, I guess.
So they're led by a guy called Panfio de Navarre.
Yeah.
So Cortez, what he decides to do is he leaves half his men in the city.
And he, which you should never do, by the way.
You should never separate your forces.
But it worked, yeah.
Well, I mean, yeah.
But he takes big...
That's what I mean.
It's just something we haven't really drawn out enough about is Cortez's character.
He's like every point in the story where he could take a massive gamble, he takes it.
So like a lot of the history about it cast Cortez in lots of different lights, right?
But some people cast him as a sort of...
We're trying to have a discussion about Cortez and you're literally showing animal porn.
on the script.
What are you, Charlie?
Small dog having sex with cow.
Why is that a metaphor for Cortez and Motta's humor?
What are you doing?
It's not, it's a, it's a fact.
It's a, it's, I was just seeing if any dogs had had sex with any horses.
Okay.
And I think they have.
Oh.
Right.
Right.
But do you know what I mean about Cortez, the way that people talk about him?
Yeah.
Because you can view him as like Columbus, I guess.
guess is this kind of like a bad man real bad man real bad man but he is he's not a mediocrity
I don't think he's a great man he's a great man but he seems like um he makes really
bold decisions regularly and they seem to always come off he's he's decisive he has huge clarity
you know he knows what he thinks he knows who he likes knows what he doesn't like yeah he thinks
the aspects of savages he likes goals yeah ergo but it's just there's so many moving parts
And obviously it's not just about
the Spanish forces defeating the Aztecs
which was inevitably going to happen.
It was more about within the Spanish forces
him doing it from the first exhibition
with his tiny force.
It seems like at every...
I don't know, he definitely doesn't seem like a mediocrity
is what I think.
No, I think he's a great man.
So, but anyway, he does what he's not meant to do.
You're supposedly never meant to split your forces
when you're abroad.
So it leaves his half as men...
But he's got to keep the Montezuma on house arrest.
So Montezuma
stays in the city
under the care of
his second in command
Pedro de Alvarado
so Cortez takes
half his men to confront Navajez
and what he does there
is he defeats him in like a
night attack.
Has Navayez
taken Veracruz
is that where they're
have they taken one of his forts?
No I don't think
I think they get to Veracruz
and they see it
but I don't think they take it
so I think they march in land
and Cortez
is like I think on a mountain
and looks over them
and basically they're all sleeping
and then Cortez just goes in
and just fucks him up.
Even though he has way less, because this is literally
half of Cortez's forces
that have already been halved.
Yeah,
so he's got maybe a quarter of the numbers
that Navarre does.
Narvaez doesn't hear that Cortez is on his way.
Yeah.
So he knows he's coming,
but doesn't think he's going to make it that quickly.
Because Cortez has been here for nearly a year,
maybe over a year.
Yeah.
He understands the terrain.
He's got indigenous allies.
And this is kind of their first...
And also, once you know the route,
it always feels quicker, doesn't it?
Oh, yeah, I know these, yeah.
Oh, it's that tree.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Great.
It's like when you're on a city break
and you can walk back to the hotel like two, three days.
It feels like...
The second day, you're like,
we did this in half a time.
We did yesterday, yeah.
So he defeats Narvaez.
Navaez loses an eye,
and he then bribes all of his troops to join him.
So he takes more men back
to Tashnotis.
Slav,
whatever it's called.
Episode four,
it's tough.
It's tough.
It was tough in episode one.
Tough in episode one.
I don't have the dexterity
my mouth anymore.
It hasn't been trained.
Tesh.
Tosh-Kitlan.
Nosh-nosh-gobble,
whatever it's called.
Tess Nosh.
Tish-Nosh-Tit-Lam.
Tesh-Nash-Tit-Klan.
Tesh-Not-T-Wank.
Techno-Tik-Lan.
Tech-Nek-Wank.
He takes them all back.
And this is a very important point.
One of Narvae's men has got smallpox.
Which is kind of probably
the big thing
for the Aztec population. You can view it
as colonisation in
many of its forms, but the thing that really
obliterates
the Aztec culture
and all kind of indigenous cultures
is smallpox just ravages them.
It's a biological weapon that
to be fair, they don't know they've got it.
And also... You can't really blame
that because that's just inevitable.
Because it's like the black death, that's Mongols.
But you wouldn't blame...
You can't blame them.
Yeah, that's absolutely.
fault but no i mean europeans were always going to meet the aztecs at some point and they were all
because the europeans have been living with their animals for thousands of years longer than the
aztecs had they've been sedentary and farming they were much have much more developed immune
systems and so they had diseases that you know the uh aztecs couldn't cope with and as a huge
part of all colonization really is the the diseases that uh europeans bring just obliterate the
this is why we're this is why covid ushered in the chinese age yeah so anyway
Anyway, while this is happening,
while Cortez is defeating Narvaez,
in his absence in Tenochtit wank,
Alvarado has said,
yes, you can carry on having your festivals,
and he authorises this festival of Tox cattle,
which is a big religious festival for the Aztecate.
So he's gone woke?
He's gone completely woke.
He's gone, yes, you can have your mad,
fruity god shit.
Now, I think...
Actually, he hasn't gone woke.
Yeah, he's a big overcorrection
about to happen.
the pendulum swings hard so this festival
it's all in like it this is a very cinematic moment
yes because it's all in a big like square
and or like inside some walls
and I think it's mainly like it's drumming
and it's people dressing up as birds
and you're kind of you're you're building yourself
to this reverie
the sweat and you're
it's kind of like almost ayahuasquerie
it's like day of the dead
it's like whistles
you know all that nonsense
and then at some point
and I don't I can't
remember why he does this maybe he starts to plan this all along i feel possibly or he feels like
things are getting a bit out of hand it's a bit fruit of me it's enough it's enough of this one he he
locks the gates to the wall he gets his sort of climax of the celebrations when they're the most
distracted with them he locks the gates he says let's just fucking he just let's just fucking mask of them
all um i think someone claimed someone tells him maybe they were planning a rebellion or something
or this is always the case who knows whenever you're hearing these accounts there's always
someone says they're planning a rebellion.
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So one account of the masculine
I'll read this out
This is a quote
They surrounded those who danced
They went among the drums
They struck off the arms
Of the one who beat the drums
And afterwards
Shut that fucking
Cut your arms off
I'd love to do that
Absolutely love to do that
Someone playing bongos in public
Cut your arms off
And afterwards his neck and his head
Flew off falling far away
They pierced them all with their iron lances
And they struck each with iron swords
Of some they slashed open the back
so that their entrails fell out of some they split the heads they hacked their heads to pieces so this
is all taken from the florentine codex which is one of the key sources which is kind of the only
the main sources we have of like native accounts where i think what was it charlie you explain it again
so they kind of in the wake of the spanish conquest all get taught latin in the latin alphabet right
so then they can actually write down their histories and what happened yeah but um yeah
eventually this sort of gets shipped off
to Florence, this codex
which is what it's called the Florentine
Codex, but it is in fact written by
it's a native account.
Yeah, so it's one of the other key sources.
You've got some native accounts. Yeah, it's a biased account.
It's a one-time account. We can't trust it
totally. All we know
is that Alvarado has... It's like the Huffington Post.
Yeah, it's just deeply biased.
Who knows what happened? It's all a load of woke nonsense.
But Alvarado has dealt with this festival, which needed
dealing with. He's robust. He was getting out of
he was robust
he cuts the
golden nose
off an idol
of Huitschellopochely
Yeah
That's a good
This is Alvarado
Is it?
Fucking out
I like that
I like that
I like that guy
I thought you might
Yeah
He looks no nonsense
No nonsense
Correction of Forenton
Codex
Was written by somebody
Spanish
But in partnership
with
Nahua elders
Right
And authors
Who told all the stories
Yeah this is
The beginning
of decolonising
The curriculum
Yes
Yeah
Which is
I'm not for that
I'm for
Re-colum
the curriculum, get it back up to
speed. This is like when the British Museum have
you can listen to like native accounts
about things that we're going to give
the Elgin Marbles back. No.
They'll wipe their ass with it.
They can't be trusted.
So
Alvarado then, after masquering
everyone, this is quite funny,
he goes to Montezuma and he
points to a minor head wound that
he's got from someone throwing a rock at him and he goes,
can you believe what your fucking people are done to me?
The fucking gall of your people.
I was massacring them
and one of them
threw a fucking lock at me
He's outrageous
This is outrageous
This is a war crime
He masks
And you know
Fair's fair
The city
The city starts to turn against him
They just go absolutely hysterical
They're not using their minds
They're Mexicans
They lose their rag
They go
I can do
You have a friend in me
Keda Keda
And they just start throwing
Coke cans
And litter
Yeah
And you know
The taco stalls
They turn them over
They
besieged the Spanish in one
of the palaces. And they're holding
Montezuma as a hostage
while they're being besieged in this palace
with angry mobs outside.
And then Cortez ordered Montezuma's brother
to over the markets
and he promptly swipsides and is
formally elected as the new emperor of the Aztecs.
So they put a proxy emperor.
Oh, I see. Because the Spanish
But they're already Montezuma's and a proxy emperor.
Anyway, so basically, the whole city
rises up in rebellion and the Aztecs
destroy all the causeways around the
did to try and trap the Spanish on the island and as we they try and explain if they put a form
fill in the form to the local council this could have been dealt with through proper channels yes
yeah there's a clear portal that you have to log in yeah then you can air your grievances on
there well you have a you have a you know you have a town hall yeah meeting and everyone gets their
turn up listen to see all I can do yes tell it to my assistant I've got to deal with the
national issues as well but I'll try and make you can't just so can navigate that they're savages
They don't know what's going on.
They're trying to get it all at once.
They're greedy fuckers.
They're fat on chocolate.
And it's like, listen, let's just calm down.
But anyway, the Aztec forces are harassing the palace day and night.
The Aztecs are, I like this.
So the Aztecs have got loads of heads knocking about because they're constantly
chom people face off.
We didn't mention actually, they've got these skull racks, these huge racks of sacrifice
victims' skulls that they've started finding in Mexico City.
So interestingly, as a side now, all the...
excavation of the Aztec ruins
it's only really begun since the 70s
so a lot of this was all just sort of myth and who fucking knows
and then there's a fat Mexican builder who's going
when they're digging underneath Mexico City
so now they found in the 90s they found these skull racks
fuck me yeah so they think that they were like
I don't know how I can't remember how wide but fucking massive
like thousands of thousands of skulls wide
with like these huge pillars
and it would form like a sort of wall of a temple.
Crazy.
So they used it as like building material.
They used people's skulls as bricks.
It would work quite well.
But you've got so many of them as well.
It's like when you do, you know, when you go to like, I don't know, like a St. John's restaurant in London.
Yes.
It's top to tail.
They're not wasting any of the animal.
That's true.
And have awful.
If you've got 80,000 corpses, what a waste.
Yeah, you're right.
I guess cannibals are quite resolved.
They're not wasting anything.
So technostate land is in flames.
Right.
Suddenly, the niceties of the two groups is going to completely out the window.
The Aztecs start some psychological warfare, and with the heads they've got, they put
feet on them and make it look like they're walking.
Now, I don't really know how this makes sense.
Are they like puppeteering them?
Yeah.
The Spanish report seeing heads jumping past the windows.
I guess they're just throwing...
I mean, when I was at school, we did a thing.
got a stick with a head on it and they go, yeah, yeah.
But when I was at school, we did a thing where we, um, our sick form common room was
like above the mass department.
Right.
And we got, uh, like some, a CCF, like an army at clothes, stuffed it with, um, newspaper
and stuff and boots.
And we made it seem like some, a kid had jumped out of the window.
And so we like, made it fly down.
Right.
And it crashed, the legs crashed into the window of the math class.
And the mass teacher had a fucking panic attack.
Obviously, he's like, I was a kid on, ah!
And he came up and we, yeah, I mean, we were.
going milk from trouble.
It was good, clean, fine.
Anyway, the Aztex take that
slightly more,
yeah, a slight different direction
with actual people's heads
attached to feet.
Anyway, the Spanish
send Montezuma
to the rooftop of the palace
to calm people.
Stop all this head stuff.
This is another absolutely bizarre bit
this is crazy.
Montezuma goes out and is like,
listen, I'm your emperor,
chill out.
No, no, no, it was not chill out.
He goes, I'm your emperor,
we've already lost, give up.
It's like a huge, yeah.
Well, we don't know.
He said that.
Well, that's what they say,
he says.
Right, okay.
They say that he basically says
We can't win this
Yeah
Give them what they want
Yeah
You know it's this huge city
And there's like
Still like 600 Spanish people
And he's just like
They've won
Just give up
Because
And that's when
Someone chucks a rock at his head
And he's clearly lost
All his power
Because he's being such a cuck
Well this is one
One theory is that
He's Neville Chamberlain
Yeah
But what he is actually
I have a piece of paper in my hand
I have a piece of paper in my hand
I have a piece of paper in my hand
Hey man
I got a piece of paper
my hand and someone chucks a rocket him.
That's one theory.
The other theory is that the Spanish
just kill him.
Yeah.
Either way, Montezuma dies in June 1520.
Well, they're killing because they don't need her anymore.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, he's lost to any power.
Exactly.
So the Spanish can't, if they can't use Montezuma to control them, then he's a waste.
And then his brother gets elected.
Then Cretelac is elected emperor.
Oh, right.
Sorry.
His brother is elected amongst the Aztec people.
Yes.
And that's when the total war starts between this new emperor and the Spanish.
So it's war.
It's war.
It's war.
War.
The siege of Tenoza clan.
Charlie, we don't need to know what total war is.
What's total war rather than kind of war?
See, I think even for the average listener, we don't need to explain that.
It's only for our producer.
We need to explain basic concepts.
Total war is just, it's fucking all out.
It's all guns blazing.
We're off.
Land, sea, yeah.
Right.
And then a bit is just like, I'm a bit annoyed.
I'm a bit cross.
There's a cold war.
There's a bit of war.
Total war means right.
Fuck it.
Here we go.
Yeah.
It's official.
I'm coming over.
But it's also, it's not a like,
a secret secretive war like a shadow war cold war fine i've never been in a physical
fight so no yeah you have the uh inquisitive nature of someone who's ever been punched have you
ever been punched no of course not i got punched in the face once but they is because they
thought i have a very lippy friend who looks like me no i was kicked by a horse at birth it's
different you were kicked by a dog with a massive cot no a friend uh someone i have a very
lippy friend who looks a lot like me right and he was just whining this guy off the tic-tongue off
no it was Lewis make this shout out and the guy just had enough and he was a bit cross-sighting
glasses wearing right like me I guess and he just turned and smacked me in the face and then a guy in
a blue zip up quarter zip smacked him and he fell and smacked his head on the the guy who'd
punched me on the curb bounce up the guy in the blue quarter-zip everyone thought the
guy was dead yeah the quarter-zit guy's like well I've just killed someone I'm fucked
He does up his quarter zip and power walks off.
Power walks as strong, yeah.
Just like, right, right.
Let's get off there.
I might spend the rest of my life in prison.
Right.
But he was fine.
I think he was so drunk that he just kind of bounced off the,
it was pretty, he just cracked his head on the curb,
and it was just straight back up.
I mean, he had quite a thick head.
He seemed like quite a Neandertholic guy.
Yeah.
So I think his skull was just a bit thicker.
Fucking hell. American history Xing yourself.
That's pretty impressive.
Yeah, pretty amazing.
Anyway.
Anyway.
total war days of battles as the Spanish try and capture surrounding houses but again
they're in a palace they're outnumbered there's this Mexican mob chucking rocks at them
this goes on for a long time this battle this is quite an intense battle and the tash carlins are
involved they're they're in the temple presumably with them they're in the palace and they're
doing their best but at some point so the 30th of June 1520 so maybe a week 10 days after
montezumas died the spanish cortes is like right we've got to get
we've got to fucking get out of here
and we're going to have to
somehow build a bridge to cross the gaps
in the lake
because they're blocking the normal causeways.
Yeah, they've destroyed the causeways
and this goes down in infamy really
as La Noche Triste,
the Night of Tears.
The sad night.
Right.
This is where Cortez and the Spanish
make their escape.
Now, a soldier named Bottolo
um
who, yeah.
Dirty Bottolo.
Dirty Bottolo,
who is reputed sorcerer.
He warns that if they don't leave that night,
they'll all die.
And he, by the way, is later killed
after a mysterious phallic object
and a death prophecy are found in his belongings.
Right.
So he's got an ancient dildo
and then he ends up dead?
Yeah.
I guess, I guess.
I don't know how mysterious that is.
Because everyone's being killed.
It's total war.
And he just has a dildo.
and people are like, what's going on here?
How did this man die?
Or maybe the fact that everyone's killing everyone.
Maybe that's how he probably died.
No, it'll be that ancient dula he's got, I reckon.
Disgusting.
Sort of Poirotan needs to be called in for...
So the Spanish begin their escape
across the causeway, but they're spotted.
Oh no!
And this is where it's absolute chaos.
So bear in mind, there are loads of horses,
there's water, the Aztecs don't know what are horses.
They're like, kill the dogs quickly.
Cortez gets thrown into the lake.
He's dragged down.
by his fellow soldiers the bridge they make is
fucking useless dead bodies
are filling the canal the Aztecs are throwing like
rocks they've got arrows they walk across the corpses
they make a land bridge with fucking
dead bodies the Spanish loss is estimated
anywhere between 150 to over 1100
men sorry this is what is constantly missing
from these stories they've got so many native allies
so it's easy to view it as just a small
Spanish force but they've got a lot of trash carlans
yes about 4,000 them potentially die
yeah but again that helps them make a bigger bridge
to get across the water.
Brilliant.
So nearly 270 Spaniards were left behind
after apparently not being told
they were meant to leave the city.
So they didn't have like a rendezvous point.
What time are we leaving again?
When should we go?
Is there a, once the...
Yeah, was it like 9 o'clock, 9.30?
Is this the sad night?
Is this tonight the sad night?
Or is it tomorrow?
Wednesday, the night of tears?
Is it tonight?
I would have been one of these guys, for sure.
Yeah, we're just left behind.
What time do they say?
Yeah.
Where were we meant to be going?
Was this like a bus pickup thing?
Was there like a checkpoint?
So my dad, right, when he was, probably, he's sort of semi-retired now,
when he was a teacher, he, so he's meant to, he was quite,
because he ran a film unit at the school and he used to take kids on, like,
trips to go and make documentaries abroad.
And there was one, he went to Moldova quite a bit to make films there.
And there was one year where this trip to Moldova was going.
And he wasn't going to Moldova that year, but he was like, well,
I'll take, I'll drive the bus to Heathrow to get the kids to,
go to.
So there's like 20 kids, right, sick formers.
And he has to, they have to get a flight at like 8am from Heathrow.
They've got to be there at 6.
So from Oxford, they've got to leave at about 4.8.m.
Right, so dad's like, yeah, I'll be, I'll see you there at 4.m.
Completely sat through his alarm, wakes up at 9 a.m.
20, 20 kids on a bus in the school.
Just like, oh, yeah, sorry about that.
I was meant to, I was meant to, he, he, he, he, he,
He woke up and then just, like, went downstairs, made a coffee.
Did she do something I was supposed to be,
something I meant to be doing today?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, they missed a flight.
And all of those kids are up at four and they're just,
just milling about waiting for someone to take him to his row.
That's crazy.
That's the opposite of the dad stereotype,
which is getting them to the airport incredibly early.
Yeah, yeah.
This is, oh.
That's amazing.
Just their family side, Farron's dairy milk.
thought that's amazing yeah just completely fucked it forgot i think they i think someone did take him
eventually but uh anyway he was completely unbothered by it yeah you know when you sleep in so late
you're like oh well i can i don't even have time to feel guilty well it's all finished it's all
exactly it's all finished all of that that's behind me yeah all the start a day and you just
can move on i'd love every day i'd love that well you could sleep past all your problems sleep past all
your problems yeah you wake up your kids are dead does it oh great i couldn't i i couldn't i
I couldn't even have saved them.
I don't even have to be sad.
I can just go on my life.
All the grieving would have been done.
No, they're already buried.
Oh, brilliant.
Oh, fine.
All right.
Everyone's been buried.
Oh, fine.
Well, I'll get on with it then.
I'll start a new life.
I'll just get to the good bit where I start a new life.
I wake up.
I've been cancelled.
Everyone I know is dead and buried.
Your career is already finished.
Yeah.
It was finished years ago.
Yeah, yeah.
Everything's done.
So I just wait.
wake up and I'm going to go, right, okay, I guess I'll just go to Greece.
Brilliant. I'll go to Greece, get some cans and that'll be it.
Lovely. It's that middle bit where you have to be sad and work things out.
That's the worst bit, the fall. Yeah. Wake up a rock bottom.
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Anyway, I imagine all these guys die.
Yeah, they all get sacrificed.
Right, yes.
yeah so they um and all this is the key thing so cortez has plundered all the time he's taking gold
that's the main thing it's the most important thing basically all every day he's like can we have
some more gold and the Aztecs are like yeah because they've got fucking loads of
they don't really care about God they're like oh yeah to them it's just like cheese I guess
like do they have cheese I don't think they have cheese the Aztecs they're eating tortillas
they're eating corn yeah the Aztecs didn't have cheese yeah
Um, did they have yogurt?
No.
They don't really have dairy products.
They're not really a dairy type people.
Dairy was introduced by the conquistadors.
Right.
So they were dairy free.
Yeah.
Which means they're eating dark chocolate,
which then suddenly doesn't make it as attractive.
Right.
You want,
you want,
you want, like, sort of like...
I want milk chocolate.
I don't like dark chocolate.
Do you like it?
A little bit with a shot of rum is actually very nice.
No.
No.
Big bar of milker.
Woke nonsense.
Dark chocolate's
185%
Coco tastes like ash
It does
Oh it's a disgrace
Disgrace
85% cocoa
It's like I want a treat
Yeah
You're making me
A fucking fag butt
It's like I'm eating a dead man
It's disgusting
I want milk chocolate
Or I want
What I will tolerate
If I'm having a healthy treat
I'll get a date
I'll shove it with something
Like a pistachio butter
Cover it Nutella
Cover it Nutella
I'll freeze it
it and then I'll eat that.
Freeze it.
Yeah, because then you take it out the freezer.
And when it's in that bit between
frozen and like unfrozen,
it's really chew.
It's like a Snickers almost.
Right, and that's the healthy one.
Yeah.
A bit of salt on it.
Yeah.
But dark chocolate, you know when I said
in, I can't remember what episode
of this series, I said that if I was
discovered the Aztecs,
I'd be it by the larder eating chocolate.
You've realized that the chock's probably horrible.
I'd realize it's dark chocolate.
After three bites, I'd be like,
this is disgusting.
You're all savages.
You don't have milk chocolate yet.
Fuck this off.
To be honest, one of the podcasts I was going to do about this topic reminded me of just how lucky we are to be born.
After milk chocolate.
We're just after anything.
Because it's like the most foods, vegetables that we eat, crops.
Yeah.
They've evolved like humans have evolved through being picked for natural selection.
So like the early bananas, bananas 30,000 years ago or even 10,000 years ago would have been horrible.
All bananas.
And it's just through, and they would have had to eat them
because it was the only source of nutrition.
And eventually, you know, people would pick the good bananas
of every batch for thousands of thousand years
until it gets to the point where you have a decent banana.
But they would, nearly everything was fucking awful.
Yeah.
Apart from maybe meat, I guess.
But we're just lucky that everything has been processed
to the point where, you know, at this point they had like four things.
I reckon the first chocolate orange slapped.
What, Terry's chocolate orange.
Yeah.
But that was like 30 years ago, wasn't it?
That's what I mean.
I reckon it was sick.
Yeah.
I don't reckon they've got
immeasurably better over time.
No.
No, I think that's...
So I think your banana theory
might work about bananas.
I don't think it works about chocolate oranges.
I don't think it does.
That's a good point.
I guess the exception proof.
Oh, fucking look at that.
Shove that out of my ass and caught me a goose.
You like to put it in the fridge?
No, I don't like chocolate in the fridge.
No, but Terry's chocolate orange should be in the fridge.
No, should.
You want that hard?
No, no, no.
No, and then you smash it.
Like a popod on.
No, no, no, no, you tap it.
And then she reveals her secrets.
She unfolds like a flower.
Unfolds.
No, trust me, I wouldn't normally have chocolate in the fridge, but Terry's chocolate in the fridge is a Catholic disgrace.
I don't think it is actually.
Yeah, I think it is.
I think chocolate in the fridge, because I don't like room temperature chocolate too much because it gets sticky in your fingers and it goes deep into your finger.
Do you not have chocolate gloves?
Or like gardening gloves.
Yeah.
I have chalky gloves.
I don't, but imagine
I think milk chocolate
digestives are better in the fridge
No, biscuits in the fridge
Yeah, because it makes the chocolate
harder in it
Biscuits in the fridge
Only milk chocolate digestives
Yeah, that's down syndrome stuff
It's not Down syndrome stuff
Put biscuits in the fridge
It's big brain galaxy brain stuff
No it's not
What about in the summer
Where are you keeping your chocolate
In your pocket?
Hey?
Where are you keeping a chocolate in the summer
In the cupboard where it goes
A cool dark cupboard
I don't know
You don't want it to be even have to
You want it to be hard
Chocolate's like potatoes
go on cool dark cupboard right we are in the middle of a battle right now sorry it's like at the
peak of stuff happening i know i know i know look at that tree look at that terry's chocolate
orange uh someone built that out of different chocolate oranges yeah wow sorry that's pretty
amazing isn't it it's more you've more impressed than that describe it for the listeners
i'd say that imagine it's like a pyramid of it's it's more impressive than the period of it's
if you come out the lake and you'd seen someone has as interlocked tessellated yeah i'd say at least
10 chocolate oranges into a tree
That's fair. I mean
If we found a primitive society and they'd done that
I'd hesitate for a second
Before the massacreing started
I'd say do you have a lot of that
I say give me all of that you have
And then I'm going to wipe you all out
Right right right right I would take all the chocolate they had
And then I'd give the maids and then they'd all die
That's my version of the Aztecs
Yeah I have a sickness of the heart
That can only be cured by Terry's chocolate orange
Because you know the Aztecs said of the Spanias
They have one god
and his name is gold
His name is chocolate orange
And he won't stop
Until he's got all the chocolate oranges
So while they're trying to skate this city
To Nostoklan
All of their gold pretty much
Goes to the bottom of Lake Texarko
Cortez
Get to the other side to safety
He's dripping wet
He's lost half his men maybe more
He's lost all his gold
And he's livid
Yeah
He's absolutely livid
The entire point of going to the Aztec
The feather in his hat
is like this.
Yeah, it's all wet.
Yeah.
The entire point of going there was to get all the gold,
because that was what he was going to say to King Charles V, is it, of Spain?
Yeah, because also he broke the law,
but if he comes with an insane amount of gold,
I'm sure Charles V is going to forgive him.
At some point, he does send gold back to King Charles.
Is this after Tenocti once fallen or before?
He does it whilst he's in Tenochtitland.
And he's a thing called the Royal Fifth.
Yeah.
where Charles will get a fifth of all gold.
Yes.
And then I'm pretty sure Cortez takes a fifth as well.
And his men get pretty pissed off about it.
So is that Charles the 5th, Charlie?
He's got a Hadsberg jaw.
This is another one of...
He's a Hadsberg, is he not?
Yeah.
Charles is...
So does that mean that this is...
We had this in the piracy series.
Look at that jaw.
Fuck me.
I mean, he'd be...
Well, that's inbreeding.
He'd be in Montezuma Zoo.
I'll give it that much.
Montezzoo would be licking his lips.
What the fuck's that?
What the fuck's going on there?
It'd be a good.
That's a great new insult, isn't it, for someone who's a bit special?
What?
You'd be in Montezuma Zoo.
Montezuma would be having a good look at you.
He'd love it.
He'd love it.
So, Cortez has been sending gold back to Spain.
People in Europe are aware of the riches of the Aztec Empire.
And so Cortez needs all this goal to justify his actions in retrospect because he's been disobeying orders from the start.
So they retreat back to their allies city.
Chachclala to recover and kind of regroup and plan another attack.
But the Spanish are attacked on retreat by an Aztec army of 20,000 at Othumba.
But they managed to win by killing the general fucking fucknose.
Matlatzin cattle.
Maitless cattle.
Only mateless cow.
And the Aztec forces collapse, which I guess just because they killed their general.
That's the thing.
Queen Bee.
Queen Bee is gone.
So to recap, the Spanish
reached Slash Carla
on the 11th of July 1520
and they begin
plotting their revenge.
Have you plotted much?
Am I a plotter?
Yeah.
Is there many things you describe as plotting?
Because what...
No, I suppose...
It's not planning. What's the difference
in plotting and planning?
Well, planning, you can plan anything
but plotting is an evil connotation to it, isn't it?
you can't plot for good
you can plot a graph
yeah but if you're plotting
can you be um plotting
like you could you could plot
a hit there's downfall
yeah but again that's
you know to some that's a crime isn't it
right right
and then scheming is even more
nefarious
I'd say my main crimes are spontaneous
right it's eating chocolate
when I'm taking the bins out
it's manslaughter
it's not planned murder
no no no no it stands up in court
yeah I'm getting away
it's a crime of passion
it's a crime all my crown
to passion crimes.
Yeah.
It's look how many mince pies there are there.
Yeah, it's true.
It's like, oh, I'm just going to get around the corner.
Or I'm going to do some washing up.
But while my family's not looking, I'm eating chocolate over the sink.
It's not cold and calculated.
No, no, no.
It's, I've got little stashes of chocolate around the house.
And it's like, oh, I'm just going to go and cook dinner.
You know, it's all passionate chocolate eating.
Yeah.
Anyway, they get to Flash Carla the 11th of July, 1520.
Roughly a third of the Spaniards are dead, as we're.
were thousands of their native allies,
but they're not the Spanish,
so they're less important.
Cortez himself has sustained injuries
that are so severe that two
fingers need to be amputated.
That's a heinous.
Which is a tragedy.
Just take a minute.
Heartbreaking.
Reckon with that.
Cortez lost two fingers.
Now, which two fingers?
Yeah, depends.
Are they one of the pink, one in the stink?
Are they gone?
Are a stink pink's gone?
Because that's really, that's a shame.
What is a man?
What if a man, if he can't put one
the pink one of the stink.
Yeah.
Is he just got those ones?
That's basically like...
Imagine it.
I mean, those are the worst ones to lose.
That's big.
You're constrated if you lose your pink and sting.
Essentially. Yeah.
Because then what, you know, for play...
Is he eunuch?
Yeah.
Because what's your foreplay tactic?
What's your conversational tactic?
If you're like, if you're Caribbean, you don't eat Tuntum.
Yeah.
You know, and then you've got, you've got no Piquetunton.
Do you know what Tuntun is?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Poonani.
Yeah, right.
I just saw for a minute there.
I thought it was like a plantain or something.
No.
shout out Uncle Percy on rated 18 podcast
one of the greats
one of the greats um yeah I reckon those are the worst
two fingers to lose pink and stink
thumb fine
got a flipper you can still do some damage
you can still spank you can spank
naughty or yeah you can wipe your ass without a thumb
you can hit the salute very elegant
wiping your ass action there yeah
I use like a paddle
you can hit the salute
well I have a cox who says row row row
while I'm wiping my ass
wipe
wipe
wipe
um yeah i reckon
because i can't
can you move your finger
no no one can
some people can
can yeah
your fourth
your fourth and fifth fingers
like attached
yeah
like the tendons are
if you move just your pinky
that the second one's gonna be
this isn't gonna be great on audio
I must stress um
if you were left with just your pinkies
is that a life
would you just got pinkies
yeah would you be able to be taking seriously
if you only had your pinkies.
No, you'd be in the Montezuma Zoo.
I'll tell you how much.
Yeah.
I think you'd be taking more seriously
if you had a hook for hands.
I think pinkies is silly.
I think, yeah.
I think if you down thumbs,
you can just suck your two thumbs.
Oh, two thumbs is pretty cool, actually.
Who's got two thumbs?
No fucking fingers.
This guy.
But also you can do,
you can do that.
You know, you can go,
how are you today?
Not good.
Yeah.
I guess if you're,
if your only thing is being a Roman emperor
in the Coliseum,
that's brilliant.
Because you're just saying yes, no,
yes, no.
And then you go,
Oh, do you want to do this?
Oh, I guess I'll just sit here with my thumb at my ass.
Anyway, despite the defeat, Cortez begins to plan a counterattack.
I think we should probably leave this episode here.
That's the end, been our penultimate episode.
We are gathering, the gathering storm of what will happen.
Cortez's revenge, the Aztec Empire.
He's plotting.
He's plotting, he's scheming, he's lost two fingers.
He's livid.
He's livid.
His pink-stink fingers are gone.
What will happen to the Aztecic empire?
the Aztecs.
If only there was a way to find out.
Well, there is one way.
Only one way to find out.
What's that?
That's to join the Patreon and see the next episode.
Oh, wow.
You could also, you know, read a book or something.
On the Aztex?
Yeah, but that's going to be very long.
You're right.
And very boring.
Yeah, I'd rather watch another episode of this.
Exactly.
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