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versus history. I'm joined by Horatio Gould. This goes right to the very top. This goes right to the very top. Today we're talking about the history of the CIA. This is very stone affair, isn't it? Yeah. Now, I know a lot of our fans will be more concerned with the FBI, and by that, I mean, they've got those t-shirts to say female

body inspector. That's the next joke I have. I don't know what the... I had that lined up as one of my jokes. Well, every fan is listening to this, going, yeah, man, wearing a female body inspector. So they're They're watching videos on the CIA

wearing a female body and they've never inspected a female body in their lives. They are inspecting maybe, maybe dead female bodies. Yes. That they've found. Right.

This is real in-cell history now. Yeah, I guess so, but it's a certain type of incels. This is not like Norse mythology. These are people who think, who read this stuff and makes them feel like they know what's going on. These are people who think

they're more intelligent than anyone else, right? They're walking around. in a shopping centre and being like you fucking you have no eye looking at people you don't know

wearing a female body inspected t-shirt tucked into their cargo shots and being like you fucking cheap they've got like 20 pen knives around there

yeah and it's like of course the government could do it at once it's got a populace that it's completely you know drunk the cool it I've got a concrete shed with like 20 cans

tinned mackerel because I know what's about to happen anyone who does any research in the CIA immediately thinks well at least I know what's going on. Yeah, the galaxy brain.

They see, they see the puppet, the puppet strings coming out. The American government is a giant squid. It's specter from Dave Bond. Yeah, pulling the strings. Yeah, it's not the man the legend, Charlie. I think that's a very different type of it.

That's a dad who's not getting any. Right, right, right. That's a man. So the man, the legend t-shirt. I don't know this t-shirt. I've never seen this t-shirt. I used to have this t-shirt. Did you?

Really? Before I even hit puberty. As a 12-year-old, I had a t-shirt that said, I have the body of a god, Brackets Buddha. Which is quite funny. Yeah, huge. That's why it was funny.

And my parents would be like, oh, he's got that on again. With me? Little fat cunt. If you're fat and you've got that t-shirt. That's hilarious. You've got to lean into it. You've got to lean into it.

I had Billabong shorts. That's nice. And I had like... Billabong shorts. That's such fat guy. Like a wooden surfer like necklace. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like bracelets.

Yeah. Well, this was during the era where surf core was in, right? I was fat surf core. That was my vibe. I was like Elvis films. You were drinking peanut clouds on the beach while someone else surfs. Yeah. I was sink, cool.

I was sinking. There's a lot of T-shirts for this topic. This is a real T-shirt fair. This series is mainly we dealing with, like, the origins of the stuff that I didn't actually know about before reading about it. But later on, which I'll probably do a series later on, the kind of like 70s Cold War CIA. Did you have a period you got into this and it kind of opened your third eye a bit? My third eye's never been opened. I have two eyes.

And then my heart, my arse, my third eye is my ass. I've got no third eye. And anyone who talked about a third eye, I'm like, get to get out of here. So you never had any of that thing. You're not watching Nounjomsky videos about the grand area and all that sort of stuff. No, no, no, no, no. I'm watching Nile Ferguson videos. About why the colonies should be grateful for Britain colonising.

That's what I'm watching. Everything's actually all right. Yeah. Stop complaining. It's brilliant. Stop smoking the herb. Stop chasing the green dragon. That's what I'm watching.

I did smoke weed for eight years. Right. So I have gone relatively. And there's that eight years. Annoyingly, I can't remember anything that I found. No. That's the problem.

I know that I found the truth. I just can't remember what the truth is. I got very into Nome Chomsky and smoking weed at the same time. So the kind of thoughts that's happening, it was like unbelievable. So what? Late night YouTube, it's weed and chomsky. Yeah, because for me, it's like whiskey and Douglas Murray. And it's like, it's like.

It's like, what's he saying? Hamas. The kind of horny, evil gay man. There's something so... Oh, I find it. Hamas. It's ASMR, though. Do you want to fund Hamas?

Osrell. Israel. Yeah. Do you see him? He went on Rogan and there's a guy who was defending. He was like, well, have you been? No.

Well, then you don't know what's actually going on there. Yeah. You know, if I was... If I lived and guys are there to throw me off a rooftop for being gay, I'd fucking love it. I love it. That's why I'm trying to get into Garth. And we have talked about the Kevin Spacey, Douglas Murray thing.

Oh, the speech he makes at the first. Yeah, Murray, let's Spacey on. It's absolutely incredible. Douglas Murray is doing a speech to the Ox of Union, and he says, well, I've got a very special guest, welcome to the stage. He then sits on the front row. Kevin Spacey comes barreling in. Doesn't say a word, just goes straight into a speech from like King Lear.

Yeah, I think it's the end of King Lear. Everyone's like, what? And he comes out into the audience He comes out to the audience Doug Smerry sitting on the front roller Yeah And then he leaves Doesn't say a word

And there he comes barreling in This would be so good at the live pod What if we got Spacey A man We're proud to call a friend Yeah And he doesn't

But what he reads is Why are you gay You are you are gay You are transgender He gives the whole speech Seriously wouldn't that be amazing we've got chemistry

to read that Why does thou seek me out Why are you gay But he reads it like this Why does thou seek me out Why are you gay You are transgender So yeah you're drinking whiskey

Mainlining Douglas Murray I'm watching Chomsky smoking weed Yeah and I'm not I'm not saying I'm drinking Murray's Kool-lade No I'm not gobbling his cock juice You just like the vibe It's ASMR

I'm watching through a window going, what's he saying over there? And then thinking, imagine, imagine if I thought, do I think that? What do I think about that? You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm not, but I think with the weed smoking and the CIA, it's like, I get it. I get it.

I see everything now. This whole fucking stinks. And it's like, but luckily they're on weed. If they were drinking whiskey, they'd then buy a guy and go and do something about it. Yeah. Yeah. He is amazing in how he is. I still find him really interesting, even though he's the most boring voice in the world.

Yeah. Javatsky. I mean, Pete Chomsky is he says, if we were playing by the Geneva Convention, every post-war U.S. President would be in jail. And then the guy to try, test him. Because the thing about Chomsky, no matter what you think, he has never lost a debate or come out. No one has ever called him up because he knows every, he's read everything.

Yeah. He is the biggest brain. Yeah. He's mega mine. And he just goes through every single U.S. president from World War II and explains all of their war crimes system massively. it's about 35 minutes. Does you know what war crime is, though?

No. That's the, there you go. Well, not in the Douglas Murray school book of war crimes. Hamas. Hamas. Hamas. I'd love to have Hamas. I'd hate if some strong boys from Hamas grabbed me and took me into Gaza.

Anyway, enough of Douglas Murray's sexual fantasy about Hamas. We're not there to talk about. We're not here to talk about Douglas Murray being hot-tied by Hamas. We're here to talk about. up the hum-ass. The ham-ass bandit, Douglas Murray. We're here to talk about the early history of the CIA. We are.

I forgot. Whoa, man. In our next episode, we're going to be joined by a real female body inspector of a comic. The brilliant Jeffrey Asmus, American comedian. We've floated in another female body expector to me, think, too, isn't it? I'd say of all the comics, who's real as I watch, he's the most likely to have owned female body inspector t-shirts. We're going to be dealing with the Alan Dullis tenure with him.

but his name will come up in this part. This part we're going to be going right the way back to one of the great tragedies of British history. The great one if. Well, no, not the great one if. That's Dunkirk.

This is the sort of the big, what would you say? This is the big kind of British calamity. Calamity. It's sort of a 9-11-ish thing where they lose the most profitable colony. They lose the American.

But is this? And it was all downhill for an America, you know. Well, is this when America starts to become fat, When did Americans become fat? I don't think... Is George Washington British? They're all British in a way.

That's what I mean is how... What generation is he? He'd be like second generation in a... Okay, right. He'd be doing an Edinburgh friend show about his heritage. That's British Dad. Yeah, so rather than the Nigerian...

Yeah, you know, Radio 4 radio player about... Come downstairs, no, rather than that. It's come downstairs now. As he'd be doing a voice, a British Dad voice. Because that's what growing up in a British household, you know... British American household. It's a real clash of cultures. Yeah, that's true.

But when do Americans get fat? Is it, is it, is it, is it, when does anyone get, is anyone fat at this period? There are fat fuckers in, is there any, not really. There's, there's, there's, there's, there's Victorian industrialists. Yeah. And they might be the only people who can afford to be fat cats. Yeah, they might be the only people who can afford to be fat in the world or African kings. It's more that fat, fat became poor.

Fat was a sign of wealth. Yeah. And then it became a sign of poverty. It was the otherton window. Yeah, it is. So when were you were fat, what was it? Well, I guess it was aspirational, the middle class. This is, the origin of the American spy system,

it supposedly starts in the Revolutionary War. Right. To free itself of the British yoke. But this is when the Americans, the Revolutionary War is when the Americans are like the Taliban. Yes. And we're America. Yeah, we're the good guys.

You're the good. But they're guerrilla warfare. They're winning via local knowledge. Charlie, that's really putting me. off my stroke that. Is that a naked woman? No, that's John. That's John. That's John. That's John Brown-Minock. He's got a nice pair of tits. He does. And a very, very bad leg.

I tell you what, if you put him in front of a wicket, he's getting out LB, no matter where you hear him. He doesn't have a thigh gap. No. Can we get him off? Can we get him off? Can we get him off? We were getting somewhere. We were getting somewhere. George Washington, he sets up the first official organized network of spies in the late 18th century because in the Revolutionary Britain controls New York. And so all the British troops, all the ships,

they're coming through New York. So he's like, we've got to get some people in New York to find out what's going on to help the struggle. And so he sets up this thing called the Culper Ring. Right. So that's something that Charlie uses on the weekend. A culper ring. Yeah, it does sound vaguely.

Like a cock ring for your arms or something. Or maybe a vaginal ring. It's, yeah, it sounds filthy. Anyway, this uses revolutionary, and by revolutionary, I mean, like, childlike. Yeah, it's the things that you give kids like an eight-year-old boy. For Christmas, a spy set. Sunglasses, but you have mirrors backwards. Do you know what?

When I lost my virginity, when I was with that girlfriend, we were 15, her brother, this is before we lost the virginity, but when I'd be like in her bedroom, quotes, chilling out. That was the defence. What are you doing? Just chilling out, just chilling out, leave us alone. her brother had had been given a spy kit for Christmas and so he picked the lock and broke in and we were caught with our trousers down really yeah yeah yeah by like a little 12 year old like

yeah trying to like traumatize just get into a sister served him right literally it was like ha ha ha ha click click like mom like that was yeah yeah absolutely yeah so he could pick pick blocks with it that's pretty yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah anyway so like invisible ink so like so what they do is they'd have the system where women would hang up laundry and then to put, like if it was like pants

and they had shit on them. Well, maybe not. I don't know. I'm making that up. Maybe. If there was shitty pants on the line, then someone would be like, oh, right.

The British are coming through the north or whatever. But what if you shat your pants and the British are coming? Yeah, it's like, oh, that spy master's shatter his pants. That's the code. The code. He shat himself.

Oh, oh. He's got a dicky tummy. But they'd sewed it into clothes. like under buttons and they had there was like 700 different like a bit of laundry meant a number and they had 700 different numbers so some poor cunt's got to have this massive book

going right that's a that's a beige petticoat that's number 600 that means the British are like having an app and how much do you think this helped the war effort well it says supposedly help them win the war but I mean I reckon it was when they got the French involved probably

but there was some guy called called Nathan Hale, who the British captured and executed, which is probably the first spy that we executed. That we execute. But do we have a spy service at this point? Because I guess it was, yeah, it was just, because a lot of it was inspired

by the fact that they were so technologically behind the British. Because they are the, they're the Taliban. Yeah, they are the Taliban. So MI6. They have local knowledge and that's all they got. Yeah. And their farmers and, yeah, so 4th of July, 1909, Independence Day for the Americans, that's when MI6 is founded. But yeah, the British are like proper, like proper spy services of the British are ahead of it.

Because as we'll see, the CIA are based a lot of what the M.O.6 are doing. But this is very early American, Washington sets up this. Arguably not really, yeah, it's not at all a modern spy network. It's just. No, but they're using like Invisible Ink, like lemon juice. Yeah. You know, again, it's stuff that kids get for Christmas so that they can break into their... I guess there's always been spies, hasn't there?

Yeah. There's always been people sneaking about. Yeah. I mean, the Aztecs had spies. Did they? Yeah, but they sent like 30 of them to try and sneak into. But when you're an Aztec, you can't blend in to like a modern civilization. They all went as a group.

Yeah. It was a spy group. So they're not one person sneaking around. It's not really spy then, is it? Yeah, it's 30 people with a big newspaper. It's like, mate, your headdress is sticking out over the top of the newspaper. You can't read. I know you're an Azte.

Yeah, what are you doing? Blaggaghagh. Well, that's not, that's stupid language, isn't it? What's that? So there is early spying. In the Revolutionary War, Invisible Inc, hanging up laundry, blah, blah, blah, blah, eavesdropping, you know, tin can with the thing, all that stuff. What's your favourite spy gadget? Like jetpack, dark pen.

I mean, the backward sunglasses were unreal. It's got to be the golden eye pen. What was that one there? Three clicks. It's a grenade. Okay, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. I did see a shotgun walking stick.

It makes sense. No, a shotgun umbrella. That was like a French spy thing. You have like a... So it's a... Yeah, you can then do. just shoot people so you can well there was a thing about an umbrella with

with poison in it that I think a KGB guy killed someone on a bridge maybe with yeah why you're saying yeah because I've heard about that okay yeah he's heard about that anyway so there's early there's early spying in the Revolution War but as we say it's like it's pretty childish stuff yeah yep then the then there's a Scottish man

called Alan Pinkerton yeah the Pinkerton this stuff's fucking great so the Pinkettons are in Red Dead Redemption right are they yeah yeah I watched a lot of fairy female body inspector videos about the Pinkertons and Red Dead. So he's a Scottish guy who comes to America because he gets persecuted

because he supports the Chartists. Do you know what they are? I've heard about the Chartists. Are they? The Chartists are like early people asking for, they're asking for democracy in Britain. Like basic rights, I think. Yeah, and we're like, you're an extremist,

get out of there. What's the Chartist? We should find out. I think Chartist is early democracy, 19th century, workers rights. It's the original work nonsense. Yeah, extremists. Yeah.

Working class movement, advocated for political, social reform. Universal suffrage, I mean Come on Paul the other one When's that ever going to happen So he moves to America, Chicago And he basically founds his agency

He becomes the first private detective He's the first PI Oh really? Alan Pinkerton Nice Because of his private company He has basically like a private militia, Private Army

Okay And so initially it's all like other big companies I mean, they're in the Taliban at this point. What? The Americans? Yeah, there's just roving private militias. Yeah. But big companies are employing the Pinkerton to protect their assets and stuff.

There's a great story of like these big whatever factories. And there are loads of workers like forming a union and they're going to ask for more money. And then the bosses go, well, rather than pay them more money, why don't we pay the same amount of money to Alan Pinkerton to get them to just come and like blow up the... fucking movement so then they smart thinking yeah exactly

why don't we lose money on not giving them more money by getting the Pinkertons to infiltrate the unions and so they then it's a matter of principle isn't it it is it's like don't ask for more money I'm gonna spend more money giving you less money yeah by paying the money to the Pinkerton's to come and

to punish you for asking for more money exactly yeah so where is it Charlie you know it's quite unfortunate to be called Alan Pinkerton if you're trying to be a spy it is like the most Sort of the fan-like name. No, it's like, it's not very intimidating. Pinkerton. One in the Pinkerton, two, the Stinkerton.

The Pinkertons and the Stinkertons. Do you reckon or anyone ever said that to him? I don't know if that'd come around. I don't know when that was invented. What, Pink and the Stink? Pink in the Stink. We need to place this, actually. That feels like a 90s thing, Pink in the Stink.

1890s? No. When is Prince Pink in the Stink? When was the first time someone said, One of the pink, two in the stink? What is it? Two in the stink. That's what Noam Shopsky videos does to you. Two in the stink.

Four in the stink. None in the pink. None in the pink fist up the stink. That's ham-ass stuff that is. I'm in my mouth. Four in the Stink. It's believed to originate an informal setting is like playgrounds. Yeah, we need a period.

They don't know. They don't know. They can't say. They've got to know. Alan Pinkerton's not doing any butt stuff. Sorry? Alan Pinkerton. Pinkerton's not doing any stinkerton stuff.

No. I'm going to call my wife's ass Stinkerton, I think. What, Alan Stinkerton? I'm just, I've called her on, Alan Stinkerton. Oh, come on, Alan. Can you please put Alan Stinkerton away? Oh, is it Pinkerton or Stinkerton tonight?

What are we doing? It's date night. Is it Pinkerton or Stinkerton? Who's coming for dinner tonight? Anyway. So it becomes this private, this private militia, the big companies, would use to like railroad companies

all this stuff because are the Chinese making railways I think so when are the Chinese making railways in the West Charlie it's the 19th century isn't it yeah while he's looking for that do you want to just place

because I think the big thing that establishes them as a thing the Pinkertons is the 1861 Baltimore plot would you like to just place 1861 for us 1861 so I guess that's after the invention of the spinning Jenny

Jenny's a spinning yeah so that's kind of early industrial revolution in the in britain spinning jenny sounds like a bit of a goer she sounds like she'd have five up with the stick of them what is a spinning journey again is some kind of um weaving thing yeah i think so it's 1764 right uh and i guess it's um it was before the uh invention of the fleshlight cleaning devices is that like a fleshlight cleaning device so it's not even the flashlight it's what you'd use charlie what it's a my friend got given a a cleaning kit

an anal butt fleshlight and he came in it and then immediately cried on his birthday apparently so he got

a stinkerton flashlight he got a stinkerton flashlight and then cried yeah we had a Christmas meal with comedians Dan Tin and Paddy Young

where on that's this guy for his secret Santa from his housemates he got an anal fleshlight and he felt a bit like he was feeling a bit upset about it so it was like

what am I just like gay to you you know and then Paddy did say do you have to put your own poo in it no Tiernan was like feeling a bit like and Paddy was like

wait do you do you do it come pre-shed or do you have to be your own did that did that I mean he couldn't just like yeah it was a good point actually

yeah I think we laugh about 15 minutes did it come booth can you buy shit is it pre-pood um Christ

anyway I've got a message saying You love the Paul Can you ease off on the poo stuff actually Because he's trying to eat while listening Don't try and eat while listening Don't try and eat while listening For Christ's sakes

You're liquid like most of all Yeah drink huell And listen Just get the carers to play it after lunch Rather than before So the Pinkertons Anyway The stinkertons

The stinkertons The stinkertons The one of the Chinese Building Railways 1860s Look at that I've placed that absolutely perfectly. So around the time that the Chinese are throwing themselves as railway track,

how many Chinese people are to take to make a railway? Thousands. Yeah. So this is kind of like the precursor to them jumping out of Apple buildings, building iPhones. In many ways, they were building railway track, then lying down on the track waiting for a train to hit them to stop them building railways. Hello, I'm Elizabeth Day, the creator and host of How to Fail. It's the podcast that celebrates the things in life that haven't gone right.

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Listen now wherever you get your podcasts. 1861. So Abraham Lincoln is president. Abraham Stinkin. That, Abraham Stinkin. That woke mom. madman who ended slavery. Now, there are rumors that there's going to be

an assassination attempt in his life. Nah, I reckon, nah. Because he's such an extremist. If I was there, I'd be like, I reckon you're right, mate. Yeah. I don't think so. But then I reckon that. Onsostantiated rumours, I'm saying. Well, supposedly this never really was an actual plot. Right. But Pinkerton, so Lincoln

goes to the Pinkerton and says... Stinkin goes to the... Stinkerton. Stinkin goes to Stinkerton. From one stinkin to another, can you investigate? Yeah. The Pinketons did some sniffing about, stinky sniffing. Yeah. And they work out that apparently

there's an assassination that's going to take place as Lincoln travels through Maryland to Washington for his inauguration. So it's about to be inaugurated as president, but he's going on like a big railway tour. Okay. So over all the Chinese dead bodies,

he's going on like a little tour from, I don't know, somewhere in the Midwest, to visit people as he gets inaugurated. Tensions are obviously high because he's got some pretty fruity ideas. is um yeah uh he's he you know the the plans for the southern economy yeah are devastating it's uh an extremist has gone in the white house and there's an extremist in the white house and he needs to be stopped pinkerton alerts lincoln to the threat so what they do is they

get one of their female body inspectors because the pinketons were the first enforcement agency of any sort to hire women as detective as give them detective roles right and so they had a fully like female subdivision of agents. They had the female body inspectors. Right. That was only in guard. Sort of. Yeah. And he got one of them. He said you have to get on the train with Lincoln and you've got to stay awake all night.

Right. And that's why their logo became, We Never Sleep. And their logo was just an eye. So similar to your third eye that you're always watching Chomsky was. I was not sleeping either. Fuck. Yeah. This car. I need to stay up. I need more thinking time. Yeah. To really process this. Pinking time.

So. Stinking. stinking and pinking time. Their logo became this big eye, which maybe it's the same eye that's then in those conspiracy things with the pyramid and the money. The Freemason stuff. Yeah?

I think eyes are just... So that's the Pinkerton logo. Is it? Is it? Did that go into the CIA logo? No. No. CIA is an eagle.

Yeah. They get Lincoln to travel like incognito through Baltimore at night. Right. Because at this point there's still a law against trains going through towns. So you have to get off a train

and just get on a carriage and like horse, through town, then get onto another station outside of town. So for an assassin, it's like ideal. He's going to be here. Anyway, so they just go, well, I'm only just to that at night. Because they're geniuses.

So, Lincoln, obviously, I mean, I mean, I say that. And the assassin's like, where the fuck is he? Yeah. And then Pinkton's like, I don't worry, we've got tickets to the theatre in four years. Anyway, so they didn't stop that one, I guess. But they then... You would say Lincoln, happiest man,

watching a play? I don't think he would. was assassinated because of the Civil War. I think he was, he asked someone to shoot his brains out because he was watching a play. I think that's why he was assassinated. I think JFK was on the way to watch a play and he was like, sorry, fuck this. Could someone just shoot me in the head, please? My wife started telling me about her dreams.

Shoot me in the head, please. Please just take me out. Anyway, Lincoln then employs the Pinkertons to be like proper, a spy guys during the US Civil War. Okay. I think a lot, I think they're actually quite shit, though. I think they get a lot of stuff wrong. So they're meant to go intelligence, gather. They use hot air balloons.

There's a lot of, like, reconnaissance balloons. But is that spying? Do they use hot air balloons? I don't know if hot air balloons are around. Oh, no, they are around. Yeah, they are around. Do they use spy balloons? I mean, there's a lot, in war, you use reconnaissance balloons.

But I don't know if that's like, it's hard to be a spy. It's just like, well, they've seen us now, aren't they? Is that one of ours? No, right. Well, they now know what we are. Yeah, there you go. 1794 was the first documented use of hot air balloon espionage. Yeah.

Yeah, it's not exactly like a U-2 spy play, is it? It's a fucking massive wicked basket in the sky. So they hire black undercover operatives to infiltrate the Confederacy by posing as slaves, which must have been, I mean, that's a very hard thing to ask. A black guy who's just been freed. Can you pretend to be a slave again? No, for a good reason. But can't you just, you just eat, could so easily just end up being a slave again.

Well, yeah. No, no, no, I'm pretending. Yeah, whatever, mate. You're in the fucking. James, it's like, well, how are you getting out? Yeah. No, I'm actually, I'm a fake one. And I was like, yeah, all right.

Whatever gets you through the day. I'm being paid. Yeah, all right. We're all right. We're all being paid, really. Anyway, so they're not very good during the Civil War, but then after the Civil War, they become sort of more crime-fighting-y. And, you know, this is now getting

into the kind of the Gold Rush, the Old West, like wild cowboys. What are they spying on post-Civil War then? Well, they're not really spying. they kind of morph into more of a labor breaking union busting. This is when they start doing all the infiltrating the unions. So just like a enforcing the will of the government. No, it's not governments.

It's private companies. Private companies hire them to basically turn union rallies into riots so that it discredits the idea of paying people properly. And they broke up Butch Cassidy and the Sundar's kids gang, forced them to flee Bolivia. Have you seen Bush Cassidy and the Sundance kid? Yeah, it's great stuff. Yeah, it's great stuff.

So this is what's interesting. I watched a lot of female board inspector videos about Red Day. and the Pinkertons. Yeah. Because the Pinketons are in Red Dead as one of the people that can come after you. Okay.

And then there's a whole like cut scenes in, I think Red Dead 2 where they're like just firebombing people and they're killing pregnant nuns and they're awful in the game. Oh, they're baddies? Yeah, the bad, yeah. And the Pinkerton agency nowadays

are suing whoever makes Red Dead 2 because they're like, we're not bad guys. The Pinkerton's still about? It's still about. I think it's now a security firm. or something. Really? I don't know.

I think maybe they send out those guys that give you perfume in nightclub toilets. No splash, no gash.

Don't be stinkerton. Don't be stinkerton. Use pinketon. Threat response protection for key personnel. That's crazy. There you go. That's like a modern.

Yeah, so they're like bodyguards. Let's get a quote. Should we get a quote? Do you see how much there? Can you get a bodyguard if you're just a normal person? I reckon I could get one?

For money? Yeah. It's not, if you're not to have loads of money. Could I, if I wanted to can I have one? We can get you a company bodyguard. Yeah.

But they're protecting you from yourself. They'd go around your house and put, like, they put child locks on the toilet and stuff. You don't drink out of that, Charlie. What are you doing? Crazy. Sorry. Did you know about this before researching the Pinkettons?

Obviously not. Yeah. Good. Just check it. I'm not a female body inspector. I'm a solo male body. I'm a solo male body inspector. I only inspect my own body.

I went for the SMI. What's that? Smbi. So what they did was when the Pinkertons were looking for Jesse James, the wild outlaw. There's a film about him. Yeah. Yeah. And not the, is it Jesse James?

Jesse James. Not Jesse. Not Jesse. Oh, not Jesse. No. Oh, about the money, money, money. Jesse Jay was this wild outlaw running around. Just want to make the world.

So they go to his like mum's house. Rather than ask any questions, they just chuck a firebomb in it. And they kill her his eight-year-old brother. Well, you can ask questions later. Well, I think so. You've got to be safe. You've got to make sure, you know, clear, bang. Eight-year-old son killed.

Yeah, dead. So that's what the developers of Red Dead are like. You firebopped a child. Yeah. So I think it's fair play. Fair play. Anyway, so, and then after this, they go more into the worker intimidation. And then, I mean, it's, what, 32,000 people are like Pinkerton officials by the 1890s.

So it's like a proper big thing. Match the size of the US Army. Then there's this big thing in like the 1890. where like they just kill a bunch of people at like a strike and then there's this law coming called the anti-pinkerton law in 1890 some in what's that about only but stuff only but stuff everything must be stinkerton from now on yeah um yeah it's catholics before marriage yes exactly yeah the god hole put a ring on it stinkerton pre pinkerton um so i think can you just google charlie was it 1890 whatever the anti

Pinkerton law, which means that the government can't employ the Pinkerton's. Right. We just said Pinkerton. Right. So the anti-Pinketton law means the government can't employ the Pinkertons. 1893. Yeah. So this means that the US government cannot...

Stop using these private militias to get to... Yeah. Because of this homestead strike of 1892 where they kill a bunch of people. Anyway. Nauty. So this sort of, then sort of like there's World War I and the US are not really doing... there's like some like unofficial spies. Yeah.

But there's no... Sitting on their ass, arguably. Hey what? Sitting on their ass arguably. Well, yeah. Fucking, come on, lads. You stop jacking it over there, wheelbarrows for the cash. Yeah.

Whatever they're doing. Then in World War II, that's when, uh, the CIA's kind of proper origin story. Yes. Because this is the real, because this is, that's just a precursor. This is, this is when it properly starts kicking off. But I think what's interesting is that the whole idea of like private companies contracted with with no real, um, accountability. is something that sort of stays throughout.

So it's the culture of the Pinkerton's. Yeah, man. Whoa. Unaccountable. The fucking Pinkertons. Yeah. It all starts with the Pinkertons. The Pinkertons are running everything.

The thing is, if you're in one of those conversations with another person spoken where you're talking about what's really going on. The Pinkertons. You can't, you're claiming it too early. You always have to go one-up someone.

Yeah. Oh, you think it's the Pinkertons? This goes back to the fucking... The French... It's the Freemasons. Oh, you think it's the Freemasons? This goes back to the tribes of Israel. I mean, you end up...

You have to have a lot up your sleeve. You have to go back to the dinosaurs, basically. You have to say there were dinosaurs with really big noses that were pulling the strings back in the day. Yeah. Because you'll get... You'll get laughed out of any room if you say it was there. You have to go...

Oh, you think it's there. That's what they want you to think. The first Jew was born out of an egg. And that's how... Oh, you think it starts with the egg. No, no. What? The first Jew landed in from space.

Yeah. No, it was going to be for space. Yeah. And it was just the big bang. Yeah. That's where it starts. It was a big schmuck. Yeah.

Anyway, so the Office of Strategic Services, OSS, yeah, is the probably what you'd now call the precursor to the CIA. And it basically starts with Pearl Harbor because they were blindsided. They fucked it. Yeah. And again, Pearl Harbor, the story's the same. No matter what they do, they're always just too busy eating crisps to work out. Right.

You know, Fall of the Soviet Union, 9-11. they don't know what's going on. To be fair, they haven't missed a lot of big things. They've missed all the big things. They've missed it because they're eating Cheetos or eating corn dogs. Watching telly. Yeah. Or whatever. I don't know what they did.

They're fat cops on steak out who have fallen asleep at the wheel or eating donuts. Yeah, they're generally eating donuts while Pearl Harbour's happening. Chief Wiggum. Yeah. I mean, the Pinkerton's actually had some get up and go. Yeah. And then they fucking banned them for being too Protestant. Yeah. And now it's just fat fat cops eating donuts.

I love how Protestant is firebobby children. Yes. Firebombing children is Protestant. What's wrong about that? Children should be seen, not heard. Children should be firebombed, not seen. That's my Protestant parenting. Imagine if I went on DiV's CEO as a parenting expert and went... So how do you think, well, a lot I'd like to say is I think you should firebomb them from a distance before anything else.

By the age of eight, children should be firebombed. We've lost some sense of discipline with today's gentle parenting. Yeah. My philosophy is firebom them early. Yep. So speaking of firebombing, Pearl Harbor in 1941 is... Now, do they... And the Americans bloody hate it when Pearl Harbor happens. They don't like it at all.

They're like, oh, what? They're fucking livid. Yeah. They can't believe it. Yeah. The audacity. Yeah, Japan have really... They've really...

They've absolutely castled them here. Yeah. In a way, but also it's like, what are you thinking? Well, they've sent someone out to bat. You know, they're not really... They're still like burping. from lunch and then they've just gone to leave the first ball and it's just absolutely taking their middle stump out

they don't know what's going on and so they realised they've been caught very noise from the Japanese though to be fair oh very naughty very naughty but they all get their comeuppance they all really night night go straight to bed they get slapped about

yeah they get slapped about um bed no dinner so uh we need to probably start talking about a guy called Alan Dulles who despite his name is very interesting Yes. Alan Dulles is a lawyer.

More Alan interesting ass is what we would call him. Yes. So it's not ham ass. It's Alan Dulling ass. Alan Dulles will end up being probably the most controversial, certainly the longest serving CIA director, which we're going to deal with in our next episode. Dulles.

At this point, he's a lawyer working for a law firm with his brother maybe. Right. And they, I think he was a bit of a spy during World War I, maybe. Or a bit of a spy. What's a bit of a spy?

Well, like, they don't really have spies. It's all fucking Invisible Ink and Lemon Juice and, like, tapping someone on the shoulder and look over there. You know, it's not spying. It's just eavesdrops a little bit. What's that? What are you doing?

What are you doing? It's just that. He's nosy. He's nosy during the war. He's nosy. Because originally, there were no spies. It was just nosy cuns. Yeah.

What's going on? None of your business? Well, maybe it is. That's all that's going on. What you mean? That's the first spy. you're going to meet that can I have that

yeah right so he's gathering but then I guess with trench warfare like what is there to know it's like yeah they're still there they're doing anything not yet

no he just owns a telescope I think that's what he is I think he gets drafted into I don't know how I don't know how I don't really care either but he ends up being in Switzerland in burn

yeah sick burn in Switzerland and this is where the OSS are based and this is where like a lot of the origins of the CIA's fruitiest period. Okay.

Start. LSD is invented in Switzerland in in 1943. Right. There's some Swiss scientists. Obviously, they're neutral. Well, they're neutral, aren't they? They've got all the time in the world. If you're not fighting, like, it's so funny to think that Europe's literally in ruins around them and they're just just doing drugs. Right. LSD is like the

25th attempt at syndicating some form of, I don't even know. For the invention of LSD, Was it, were they trying to make LSD? Huh? Or were they just trying to make like fucking washing up detergent? I don't know. I don't know. They must have been trying to.

They must have been trying to, it's like Viagra. Right. Right. Right. I don't think they were trying to make you, maybe they were trying to make you, make you make dick pills and they ended up making LSD. I don't know.

This is the guy who invented it. Albert Hoffman. Swiss chemist. Yeah. And he fucking, he loves it. He's taking it a lot. Does he? Yeah.

All the first guys, and we're going to do a Patreon special on M. It doesn't look like he takes LSD. No, he's very upstanding guy. It looks straight as hell. But that's what's funny about we'll do the MK Ultra as a patron special this week. But what's funny is that the 50s, everyone's on LSD,

and they're all in suits, drinking coffee, just like holding down. Conservative dads. Yeah, they're all conservative dads, but they're all fucking buzzing on LSD. I imagine you take LSD, your fantasies, what would happen would be pretty straight down the line as well. Yeah.

You'd just like visualize a game of cricket. Mm. I had the best trip in my life. You take an ayahuasca ceremony. And it's just like a little bit of peace and quiet watching. This is me. Ah, that's me and I ask her.

Just bounces off you. Yeah, no, doesn't touch the size. Nothing. So did you have a life-changing experience? No, I just had decent seats at the second day of the test.

So you haven't changed your opinions? Hasn't been like a... And there was a bit of rain. There's not a moment in your life that you're going to look back on is like a real turning point. No, it was a bit of rain. So I read my book.

And then I was home in time for bedtime. gave the kids a bath and then I had meat and two veg for dinner lovely stuff in bed by 10 and up again do the same thing again

that was my hour ayasca trip Charlie you've got probably have you done iowaska no you're interested in ayahuasca I don't think you should take i think it would go wrong for me

I think maybe your parents took it a lot while you're in the womb my friend did LSD and she had this long lasting effect where I don't know if she I haven't spoken to in a couple years but basically she would permanently see

the TFL logo like a kind of just very faint hologram of TFL. Like a sort of watermark in her vision. Yeah, like the thing you put on like clips to make sure they don't get pirated, just like a permanent TFL. For how long? Years. Years?

I mean, you might still be there. I don't know. It was there for like three, three, four years after the... She had to stop drinking and everything. She had to stop... Because everything was banned by TFL. I mean, that's marketing though, isn't it? Yeah.

Fucking out. Can you ask her? I will find out, yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're fascinating. She also had this little man, this old man that she was, would see every time before, this is before the acid, before she went to sleep, she'd see this little old man.

So this is, she doesn't even touched acid. I think the TFL thing, that maybe got nothing to do with the acid. But like, does she work for TFL? After acid, after the acid trip, she didn't, the old man disappeared, he left. Right. So she gave TFL a loss. So the old man was replaced by the TFL logo. Yeah.

She's like, brilliant. There's good news and there's bad news. Yeah. That old man is gone. What's the old man doing? I think he's just waving at her a bit, just sort of, it's her way of like entering entering sleep. Entering sleep.

Do you guys not just shut your eyes and say night night? You know like a Prime Ronaldo highlights real of his like best moments?

I have that but it's all the worst things I've ever said and all that. It's me fucking up social situations over the last 15 years it's a YouTube video set

to like he's got the magic in me genuinely. Yeah, I close my eyes and it's just like a like a really like flashily edited video I'm Japan 945

99. Two bombs My dad's the same. Dad has so many things that you should be overthinking about, not a thought. I'm thinking about nothing. It's amazing. Someone like my dad who has so many things to be embarrassed about, as soon as you click, just turns itself off.

Yeah, exactly. I turn myself off. I'm like my parents turn the internet off at night. Really? Do you do that? Yeah. They go, well, we don't know what's going to happen overnight. As if someone could just come in and like put Paul in their house or something.

So they turn it off of the router. They go turn it off. Still do that. Yeah. It's crazy. It's like part of it. their bed for time routine locking up the house turn the lights off turn the internet off don't want any of your porn while I'm asleep thank you no thank you

keep your porn outside while I'm asleep but don't want those filthy thoughts as if their dreams are going to be corrupted by the internet to be fair to Hoffman by the way he lived to 102 that's true actually so maybe there is something to it banging banging LSD anyway so we were trying to find out if he was meant to create LSD was he oh yeah it was LSD invention a mistake I think he was they were looking for it right what are you looking for though they're nosy aren't all these cunsozzi? No, he did not intend to create LSD.

What was he trying to do? Offen's primary goal was to create a drug that could be used as a respiratory and circuitry stimulant. But anyway, so this, he... He was trying to make you just like increase blood circulation and breathe better.

Probably was looking to make your dick bigger. Does he dick get big on LSD? No, I think it gets smaller, probably. I haven't checked. Yeah. I don't think you're really... You're not that concerned with your dick on LSD. It's more than 150 old people staring

It's funny that old I don't have a small cock I probably get smaller actually I reckon whenever you say you get smaller Have a drink of water get smaller It's not small No I know you've made this very clear Yeah Ten minute tangent

It's not small No you It's the smallest cock here But it's not small Well we yeah Yeah probably is a smallest cock here But that's not necessarily small I don't want people in the comments

I'm no giant yeah okay well nor am i but it's not small anyway so in 943 LSD's invented in Switzerland and this is where what's mad is that Switzerland is just a neutral country in the middle of a world war and just literally like rainbow road Mario car

yeah and this guy Dulles is just there like fucking he's going he's getting Nazi officers to come and give him information he hears what's very funny I find this funny. He finds out about Auschwitz. Someone tells him about Auschwitz.

And he's like, nah. He doesn't believe it? Six million. Six million? That's a lot of. Nah, that's not happening. That's not happening. Call the other one, mate.

Come on, mate. You are what? Fuck off. Nah. Now, try some of this. Whoa. Yeah, he's like, ah. So he's in, well, I think, to be fair to him, he hands, he handles everything up.

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he's trying to invent or use truth serums. So this will become what MK Ultra kind of properly looks at. But this is all starting during the war. They're getting Pan Am Airways to provide like info about what the Nazi agents are doing in Africa they're they've trying to inject hormones into Hitler's food to make his moustache fall off

and to make him speak in a high-pitched voice to undermine him well yeah because I guess if you're doing that why don't you just kill him yeah put cyanide in there but it'd be funny to like under because I guess his aura is like Samson but with his moustache yeah so if it's like

he's like it's not the same as blood is it so I guess if you're making him more feminine Yeah, I guess so. But it's quite a funny... It's a long way round. It is a long way round. You could have just... If you're rejecting him as food...

You're already there. Yeah, just fucking tap in. It's Arsenal, isn't it? Yeah. They're all trying to walk it in. We're always trying to walk it in. But it must be said, the FBI, which is the thing at this point, is spying on the OSS because they're like, what are you doing?

Because the FBI's been around for a while. It was set up by Hoover, was it not? Hoovering up pussy. Yeah. If he was a body inspector. Well, he was gay, actually, Hoover. That's the big thing. He was a closeted gay man.

Wild Bill Donovan is the head of the OSS. So the other inventions that they were trying to do under Wild Bill is pen bombs. There you go. Golden Eye. Clicky pen. Limpit mines and bat bombs. What's a limpet mine? I guess a limpet mine is...

What's a limpet? A limpet is like something that just sticks to you. Oh, right, right, right. Semtex. It's a type of naval mine that's attached to... Yeah, so you're using it to like... Magnet, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

Bat bombs. Now, this involves naparm attached to hybrid. abinating bats as sort of a tested of firebombing. How the fuck are you... But how do you know where the bats are going? Well, I guess you can use radar, can't you? Because the sonar or whatever. Yeah, but how do you know they're going to go to your target?

You can't drive them. No, but I guess do you put like some bat food? That's a bat bomb. So that's a bat with some napalm attached to it. But it looks like the bombs are just as big as the bat. It's like suicide bats. So they spent $35 million on testing and research. But bat bombs

Have more money They don't know what to do with Yes So no one else can afford To do any of this shit So they are just Taking the piss Really

Won't we glue a fire bomb To a bat See what happens Yeah I guess it's like The evolution of pigeon Carrier pigeons Isn't it?

Yeah I guess so Atomic bats Are they as reliable But pigeons You can send them Kind of more reliably They're kind of They have like a honing

Instinct Initially there was an idea To poison pigeons Feathers And send them as like a dirty bomb Yeah What's the people touch them and yeah i don't know but no one's touching pigeons anyway no insects yeah wouldn't that

be like a really good sneaky way of doing what ants yeah just like you know mosquitoes or all kind of bugs just big bugs just like send a fucking legion of bugs over or you get mosquitoes who have poison on them and you just fucking well malaria yeah but like or a even even more so aides mosquito aids aids all of it yeah the whole lot do you reckon anyone's ever put the whole lot in a bomb. What's the whole lot? AIDS, malaria. An AIDS bomb?

Yeah. AIDS, malaria, TB, the COVID, common cold. In a bomb? All in one. Imagine how fucking rubbish you'd feel. Wait, is it a pill or is it an explosive thing? I don't know. It just explodes AIDS all over you. No, it's like you take it and you get everything along that.

Oh, right. So it's like a, yeah. It's like the opposite of a supplement. It's like everything you don't want. Do you reckon that's a thing? Oh fuck I shouldn't have taken that AIDS pill I've got AIDS But it also gives you an reaction

It's also by agra So if you're every cloud Yeah So if you're like running low Yeah Bug Chaser So let's just rattle through Some more of the inventions

At the OSS These are things Made by Stanley Lovell Whose nickname was Professor Moriarty Right You know the in-cell The Incell spy law Really starts here

This is ready for the blokes This is really for the blokes Bat bombs We talked about Cigarettes laced with an extract Of Inian hemp To induce

so uncontrollable chatiness. Is that so you'd spill the beans? What's Indian hemp? Is that something? My girlfriend's got that. Women secrete that. Is that what Indian hemp is? Do you know what Indian hemp is?

Indian. Right. It's Indian hemp. Indian hemp. Oh, so is that the noise that maybe that's what on the AI TikToks. That's because they've had some Indian hemp. Right. Right.

But uncontrollable chatiness. Is that to try and get information? Well, I guess so. Just you're chatty. Yeah. Well, so, yeah. My girlfriend has gotten a lot of trouble for being the biggest mouth. She just can't...

She's got a lot of trouble with our fans. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. We'll stop talking. But yeah, she... If there's a silence, she'll fill it with saying the things she's most embarrassed about. But the problem with chattiness... So she's already taking Indian hemp. But I'd say chattiness...

What's the cure is what I want to find? Forehand. Or the Sean Connery... The Sean Connery cure. Yeah. That's the antidote. Cover drive. Yeah.

Enough! Enough! Dalton, no, Dalton. Dalton's got the best cover drive. What, did he slap a woman in the Bond? Dalton's Bond is so aggressive towards, like... He hates women the most. Yeah, I mean, listen, Connery is, you know, he's taking a lot of...

He's old-fashioned. Connery's old-fashioned. Connery's taking his work home with him. In that he's hitting women as a Bond, as James Bond, and he's going, well, I'll just carry that on in the home. Moore's, obviously, you know, he's... He's raising the eyebrows. He's trying to get fucked up the ass by the Bond villains.

He's a pun comic. Yeah. Dalton is the most, like he just seeps anger at women. He just can't stand them. So he doesn't hit them, but in living daylight, he's like, come on! So he's my favourite because he just can't hide it. He's so angry at them. Stop talking! He's just so annoyed.

He's like a guy who's been married too long. He's like, well, you have to fucking shut up, leave me alone. He's on the brink of divorce, Dalton. That's why he's my favourite bond. It's because he's just so highly strong because he's fucking James Bond It's stressful He's stressful

And Connery and like Roger Moore It all glides off him And he's like Ooh Oh And those are what the fuck are you doing Leave me alone Yeah

Put your cello down And fucking run Anyway So Dalton has got the best Bond girl cover drive If that's what we're calling it Oh he's got a lovely cover drive

route. Yeah. Controlled. Donald's Joe route. Yeah. Because he's following through. Yeah. And then, I mean, you don't want to, I mean, for the police, that's not what

you want to do. But you know, in comment says, watch cricket. If you're a kid watching at home, that's how you do a cover drive. Kids, watch this. Watch this. That's how you do it. Perfect cover drive. So there's various, various sort of early CIA operations that is during the war.

But a lot of it doesn't work, like Ginny 1 and 2, 944, 10, 10, to bomb Italian railways, but they just always fails. Well, because they didn't turn up on time. Yeah, exactly. You can't, you can't legislate for Italian railways. Yeah, you've got a time bomb expecting the train to go. Right, well, it's due, it's due at 20 past 11. What do you mean they're having an orgy on the train?

For fuck sake. Not today. Bang. Have you seen all this stuff about Gino de Campo being inappropriate? He's just, he's not inappropriate, it's just Mediterranean. That's what I was trying to help people. Yeah. I mean, like, it's, I think it's like unfair to have an Italian come here and then you're judging him for his culture and heritage. Yeah.

I imagine if you do that with someone practicing Islam or something. It's the same. Yeah. It's cultural. And everyone's just acting like he's being like really creepy. He said, if you don't get me a coffee, I'm going to fuck your girlfriend.

And everyone's like acting this inappropriate. It's like he's a... That small talk in Italian. That's how you order a coffee in Rome. Please get me a copy. All right, fuck your girlfriend. You're sorry. I mean...

I guess we're just getting more anti-immigrant. I guess there's been a shift to the right. And maybe that's why we're treating Junior de Campo like this. Yeah. I guess it's like post-Brexit. Yeah, it's like Greg Wallace doesn't have that to fall back on. He played the autism card. Did he see that?

That was the wrong card to play. He should have played the, my dad's Italian card. And then we're like, right, sorry. That was one of the most extraordinary deployments of autism I've ever seen. Well, weaponising his... Weaponizing your autism retrospectively. He plays Rome to Total War every day. Yeah.

And his son's autistic, so it means it run to the fantasy. He probably is a bit teased up. Yeah, but... He did the Spacey defense. Yeah, but no, the defence that I have an autistic hypersensitivity to pants, so I can't wear trousers. Did you not hear? That was his defence? He said, I get ferry, I can't wear pants.

Well, so like Pia Navelli always wears shorts because he's autistic. No, he wears shorts because his thighs are too big for clothes. Greg Wallace genuinely claimed that he couldn't wear pants because his autism meant that he was uncomfortable. right so that's why he would walk around the studios with his wanger out shaking it at women it's because of his water out is that part of the allegations yeah he was on his fucking he was he had it out all the time and he was little gregg wallace out there i imagine his penis looks like another gregg wallace again again it doesn't have to be little make some people have big dicks so stop fucking you know takes all but it's not small yeah he was getting what's the

other bloke called the god done for racism on masterchief to road yeah that's what i'd call To Road's chode. Greg Wallace, I think, I always think John Terode sounds like Greg Wallace's name for his own dick. Well, John, but like a debonair. Come in here, love, and meet John Terode, would you? Or like apples and pears, sort of cockney rhyming sound. Alan Pinkerton, meet John Terrode. I think you two have got to get on very well.

No, thank you. I don't want to meet Mrs. Stinkerton tonight. Yeah, no, so Greg Wallace genuinely claims his autism meant he couldn't wear trousers. It's just one of the great defenses. I've come around to Greg, the more I hear about him, to be honest. Yeah. But I thought that meant that he thinks, is he saying that his knob is so sensitive that, like, his bell end is like hyper. No, no, no, no, no, it's the, it's the area.

It's that his skin. You sure it's not his knob? Well, that's an even weirder defense. That's how I took it. Because that's basically saying, my knob's too big. It has to, I can't wear your house. Which is, when you're being done for sexual harassment, going, well, yeah, I've actually got. I'm autistic.

And my knob's too big. You don't have retired people Got massive cocks That's me It's not my fault My knob's too big She's done in the workplace Yeah I've got a big knob

Was that a crime, is it? My knob's too big to wear trousers I've got learning difficulties On the big knob What do you want? Yeah I mean Anyway

So why are we talking about Greg Wallers again? I don't know We're talking about the OSS The operation of strategic services during the war Italian trained didn't turn up Italian, that's it, Italian trained didn't turn up The OSS are not a convincing organisation

It's all pretty unregulated Alan Dulles is in Switzerland Denying the Holocaust live as it happens He's on LSD denying the Holocaust He's going, what the fuck? He's over the time of his fucking life 6 million, fuck that So then this guy

Well Bill is like That's what you'd get out on I wasker trip you come to the Holocaust didn't have no no no no I've seen the world as it actually is it's all fake man

it's like 200,000 that's so funny to go to pay all that money to go to Peru a shame and come back going I reckon it was 200,000 I reckon it was 200,000

no you're meant to feel connection with the oneness of being and love for humanity it was a jadjurate there's no way it was 6 million there's no way there's no way

have you seen Finn since you yeah I thought he was joking before but he took I'm asking and now he's just fully denying it all the time After World War II the OSS gets shut down

and we'll talk about this more on the Patriot special because after World War II in Berlin basically everyone is on drugs everyone's on speed everyone's on all the Nazi drugs are just in the there's a black market for a drug

all the civilians are trying to like rebuild their lives With speed? With speed, with whatever they can get. Or is it a way of like nulling, numbing the reality? Because it's like waking up Berlin, 945, sucks. Sucks. Like it's even worse than those waking up in London and 2030. Was there more drugs in Berlin then or now?

Interesting point. Because it's not changed that much. Arguably, it's sort of gone like this, but it's back again. Well, they built, they rebuilt the buildings. Yeah. But they didn't get rid of the drugs. Right. But there was a big, there was a huge like push to get rid of drugs.

are from Berlin at the end of the war but this is also it's also like LSD's invented during in 43 speed is like you know considered socially acceptable

for soldiers to take it's just it's a different form of drug culture right so Truman is obviously president and he approves funding for some kind of centralised organisation

because the OSS has been been spirited by the FBI they've never had some form of like federal, centralized, intelligent service. And also, Alan Dulles has been why people think he's denying the Holocaust live as it happens is because he's more concerned with using, taking Nazi scientists for the oncoming Cold War that's going to come with Russia. So he actually in, in 1945, he does this thing called Operation Sunrise, which is where he negotiates specifically with Italian Nazi generals and some Nazis about a truce.

and then that fucks off the Russians who think no we need a peace that's with all of us we need total surrender that's the point of this and he's kind of like he's not got backing from Truman or anyone to do this so this is the start so this is deep state this is already deep state out on the limb going away from the president's orders

and I guess the story that we're going to take into the next episode is this is never really has it ever been regulated how deep does the state go right up the stinkerton the deep stay up the stinkerton's hard it's hard we've got to drain the swamp train the stinkerton

drain my stinkerton it's like a fucking canal drain canal in there just bicycles shopping trolleys line bikes fucking cash of AK 47s the CIA is officially formed under the National Security Act of 1947 the head

is known as the Director of Central Intelligence now that's not dull as yet Dulles does this report The Dulles Jackson Career report in 1949 which found that it was failing to provide intelligence to senior leaders

and then in 1950 the invasion of South Korea takes them completely by surprise again because they're just too busy they're falling asleep in the car with the donuts That is interesting because the CIA had this powerful all-knowing thing and they're kind of Yeah man

But they're seen as like That's where all the money's gone for this sort of They're the modern spy agency And they do it at the top level. But they do miss. No, but throughout the whole history, it seems like, obviously they've stopped so many things

that we would never know about. And they've done loads that we would never know about successfully. Yeah, I guess so. But it does feel like there's been a lot of cock-ups. Yeah. For the amount of money in the CIA? I guess they've got a lot of stuff to do. But the point is that Dulles writes this report

that essentially puts himself forward to become the first non-military, like civilian director of the agency, which he does. in, I think it's 51 or three? So he does the report that's saying that there's failures of intelligence. No, it's 53. Anyway, we're going to leave this episode here because we've been blathering on for quite a while.

Now, in our next episode, Jeff Asmus, the female body inspector, it will be in. That episode's already on our Patreon, where this week we're also going to do a bonus episode on MK Ultra, which is real like, whoa, that is pretty crazy. But what's crazy about this period is all this stuff is true. A lot of the stuff that sounds fucking made up Is fucking true Because it was done by men wearing suits and ties Yeah So that's already on the Patreon

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They never sleep because they're drinking monster all the time And they do live in basements They have command centres Of sorts They have big chairs with neck sports They got multiple screens screens. They're like security guards

where every screens is pornography. It's a world of Warcraft or pornography. They're probably doing both at the same time. Anyway, if not, no worries, thank you for stopping by. We'll see you next time for more CIA. Goodbye.

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