Fin vs History - He Died Doing What He Loved (with Daniel Sloss) | The Rise and Fall of Colonel Gaddafi (Part 4/4)

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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Welcome back to Finn versus history with Horatio Gould and Daniel Sloss still. Hola! Holla! This is part four of our epic trudge through. A great man.

A great man. The man of don't know of dictators. Gone too soon. Gone but not forgotten. Maybe the funnest dictator there is, maybe. Yeah, Muammar Gaddafi. I'd say so. He's having such a laugh.

Like all these other dictators have got the fucking SS. They've got their, you know, massive propaganda. tunes the shutting tone of free speech. Dower. Yeah, yeah. Gaddafi's like, get me bodyguards with tits. Yes. It's so good.

But what's interesting as well is when he first came to power and he's still, when he was trying to, you know, flirt with pan-Arabism, he's really pushed like morality. Yeah. Like Sharia law. Gaze aflogged. Yeah. And also like no drinking. Yeah.

And like women should cover up. But he's a massive Coke head and has bodyguards with massive tits. Yeah. He's a life to. London comic. It's the hypocrisy of every single left from London comic.

So Gaddafi has what's called an Amazonian guard. Now, has he called him than that? Yes, he calls him

right, fine. Because you have to be taller than him to get in. Yeah. You have to be, you have to be pretty.

Yeah, you have to be this tall to ride Gaddafi. You have to be this tall to ride and die for Gaddafi as well. Yeah, yeah. You have to be

Prissy, you have to be a virgin, and you have to wear makeup and military uniforms. Yeah. And he goes from the 80s. Yeah, from the 80s onwards, he just goes everywhere with these women. How tall is Gaddafi? How tall are these women? I think Gaddafi's probably quite small. 1.883.

That's not small. He's shorter than Saddam if anyone wants to. Saddam's tall, though. Saddam's like 6-2. Is he? Yeah. I thought that was just the noose that did, didn't it? But he will start walking around in the last.

late 80s with a fleet of, I mean, I'm aroused by it. Yeah. It's also like I love it's hot. It's hot. It's hot. It's hot. He's got his male bodyguards who are like decked up. They've got the AKs. They've got all the guns and everything. And then he's got his female bodyguards. And it is like when you're playing any sort of like fantasy game and men are in like big bits of armor.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the girls are just like it's too small plate things covering their nipples. a butt plug up the back and he's like they've they are as trained as the best of my men. His whole point was is that men find it harder

to kill women so they're better body guys which is mental foot that's awesome it's like a feminist thing the fact that he's flipping it and it's like a practical thing yeah

also they had to have big tips to distract to the people trying to kill me yeah yeah I think if you also I think if you ask any Muslim woman if that were true

they would be like I'm sorry what's the myth Men are unwilling to kill women Is that, oh, okay, that's a, what an interesting Western concept. Yeah, the idea is, is that a sniper would be about to shoot Gaddafi

and they're like, oh, look at the junk on that. She doesn't start jerking off. Oh, God. If I make them horny, they want to kill me. So Gaddafi starts going to all these like international conferences. Well, he doesn't because he's kind of a... When he is, when he is,

When he's going to the international conferences, though, he's also just setting up his tent outside. Yeah. He refuses. His bulletproof tent. Yeah. He has a Bedouin 10. Bulletproof.

Bulletproof. So at this point in the story, we left off. He'd massacred some people at a prison. And he was generally an international pariah. But in 2001, there was a sunny day in New York. Yep. And beautiful day. Beautiful day.

Good day to look at the sky. Not a cloud in. sight. There was a cloud in the sky. And this... There was about to be two big ones. Going on for days and days and days. A thunderstorm was approaching.

And that thunderstorm is Daniel Sloss 11th birthday. Yes. I didn't find out about 9-11 until 9.15. Were you literally blowing the candles out on your cake as the sky above New York was turning black with smoke? I was on like my... I was on a school trip.

It was like the primary sevens were taken away. to a place called R. Droy for five days away for the parents who's just with teachers and stuff and like obviously in the morning everyone sings happy birthday it's not 7 a.m. in New York yet

we're driving to go like fucking rock climbing or kayaking or some shit and all these these twit kids on this bus all the teachers just go really quiet and like some of them are crying and they're telling the kids to shop so they can turn the volume up on the radio

and all the kids were like oh my God I wonder what's going on none of the kids having the wherewithal to just listen to what the radio is saying It's a Chris Moyle show. Guys, two planes have smashed into the World Trade Center but here's Kylie Malogue

we can't get you out of my head. And then yeah, the teachers were like, hey something's happened in the world but we don't think it's our place to tell you what's happened so we'll, so on like the Friday I got home my parents put me up from school, they're like, hey

happy the late birthday, here's your presence it's a remote control Sir Killetot from World Wars. Also by the way, there's going to be a minute silence on your birthday for the foreseeable future. I mean, I was born on the actual day, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Yeah? Well, there's no, you know, there's no fucking slogan for that. There's no never forget.

The imagery's not as good. It's incredible imagery. What, the Kuwait? Tanks through the desert. But, you know, 9-11. The boss man, above it all, the tash. No, you're right. I mean, the...

My first memory was 9-11. Really? That's it. No, it's true. I have a joke in my show about if you know if you're Gen Z or millennial it's if your first memory

was before or after 9-11 I'm right on the cusp because my first memory was the second tower coming down but it was no it was just the TV in the kitchen

yeah I was about four years old and I just remember that image wow that's my first memory I can't remember anything before really I mean it's blurry but that's pretty much the earliest memories

of 9-11 there's like a whole collection of tourist selfies where they kind of don't really know what's going on Anyway, we've got to be cannot 9-11 is a long series We cannot get too enraptured by the dark

Can we just can I you just let me look at pictures of 9-11 In peace We've got this is we cannot Look it's a day without the kids I want to just look at pictures of 9-11 Yes This is not about 9-11 Let's have a look at that

No no no this is not about 9-11 This is about Gaddafi We will come back to 9-11 We need to come on to get this Get the pictures off the screen Sorry sorry What a beautiful day New York that was

also Gaddafi's turn after this is we're going to talk about a length of high match but just for that to happen and with everything he's done to fully and successfully get the rest of the Western world

back on side by going fucking Muslims and every single one of us went who's this who's this North African guy I know what you're what I like this guy you're all right you

yeah you literally literally funded locker which is the 9-11 before 9-11 Munich Olympic disaster He's fucking bombed a night's like that This you know what You're all right, mate

You're all right Let bygones be bygones So Gaddafi after 9-11 The man who had orchestrate Not auctioned Paid had paid for Lockerbie bombing He comes out and he says This is an absolute disgrace

Yeah Flying planes into buildings Innocent people dying I can't believe they do this I hate al-Qaeda I hate them I hate any form of militant Islam That being said, as a pro-de-Muslim.

And a militantly proud. I think the way we do retribution on these awful people is, let me do it. I like Muslims and I like terrorism. I don't, never the twain should meet, in my opinion, I don't like Muslim terrorists. It's like me with musical theatre. Yes. Theatre, music, don't mix the two. Or, yeah, or don't go to the play at all.

Don't go to either. Just stay home or read copies of water trade. So, Gaddafi, much like the Zadan balletic spin. Yeah. He, 9-11 happens and he just pirouettes on the ball and he still, he keeps going. Yeah. Bush is obviously, he wants blood, he wants to deal with the Middle East, he wants to deal with countries that harbour terrorism.

Gaddafi is that country, and Gaddafi takes 9-11. More so than any other country, pretty much. Takes 9-11 and just carries on with another 10 years apart. Here you go, look at this. Controlls it. Controls it. Just takes it, plucks it out the sky. Lovel. Oh, look at that.

touch. Oh, 10 years in power for, oh, look at that. What's that? Another massacre? Yes, please. Where's the one? Oh, it's liquid. It's liquid politics.

Anyway, immediately after 9-11 happens, obviously Bush goes on the warpath, Afghanistan. Then they start making noises about Saddam. I always find, I said this in one of the other episodes, the state they want is Libya. Libya is the state that is funding terrorism no matter the cause Is it the surrealness of Gaddafi's performance is constantly shifting thing

that kind of distracts Yeah, maybe Because Saddam gets it all In the neck Gaddafi does the hot dog bit From I think you should leave Yeah Gaddafi stands in the middle of the UN

And he's like, we have to find out Who is making these Muslims militant We have to find out Yeah, I couldn't have put it better myself. Gaddafi's dressed an hot dog costume at the UN. I mean, he probably is genuinely. He's not far off what he's wearing these days. And somehow the West falls hookline and sinker for it.

But because Reagan and Gaddafi had been so close to like full on war, they don't really feel like they can go after him, like, properly be mates. So who should they send? But they're a little lap dog. Hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. Mova, it's Tony. hi hi hi muma hi hi muma i think it's just great that are two nations get together again lovely lovely tent you've got here um tony blair goes to meet godaffi in his tent in the desert 2004

obviously we'll do a huge uh we'll probably do a year on blair if i had my way um big fan beer i just i love the hubris of it the greek tragedy of like the only prime minister that's really been any good for the first bit and then immediately and just like signs the deal with the devil fucks it everyone hates him. Anyway, Blair flies to Tripoli to meet Gaddafi in his tent, you know, the classic bee-liar snake hissing and purring around the man who, had he apologised for Lockerby by this point? No, no, I don't think he ever did. Because he never did. He hands people over. He has people over, but he refuses to ever say that, like, Libya was, was part of it. Right, okay. So what this is, is to let Gaddafi back into the international community.

They've got blouts, good PR for Gaddafi, but the deal is US and UK can get some oil deals, right? Yeah, but it's also spies, it's sharing intelligence. It's using Libya spy network to try and find more terrorist stuff. Yeah. By the way, Gaddafi, would your terrorist spies happen to know where all the terrorists around the world are? Yeah.

Yeah, I can ask them. Many did they're spies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they've got like direct contact with people on the ground doing terrorism. Direct contact. Yeah, yeah. They've got all the numbers.

Different people, though. And Gaddafi's just dressed like Stevie Wonder at this point. Late era Stevie, lots of robes, big hat. Yeah, he's quite racially ambiguous throughout his, you know, because of all his outfits.

He's African, he's Italian, he's Arab, whatever happens, he's not on time. The latest man who's ever lived. So Blair does what's called the deal in the desert where they publicly shake hands. Do you remember this? Yeah, I do

and I, um, because there's also something about when Blair leaves office, he then carries on closing up to the Gaddafi's and part of the whole image. Oh, it is like a post-primeistered like money tours. Yeah, it is like post number 10 Steve Martin. He'll do it after doing a speech to anyone. Yeah, I'll speak to anyone. I'll talk to anyone. I just like to get around the negotiating table and it's really

hash out. It's those podcasts. You know, I'll have a conversation with everyone. and so I get confused about all that stuff but yeah I remember this and this is by this point Blair I mean Blair's never given a fuck about what anyone thinks about him which is what I like

Which is why he married Shiree Do you think that Blair doesn't give a fuck about what people think? Now Sheree Blair is Okay that's a bad photo I don't think she's that one Yeah but you have a thing for a Scottish-looking woman I'm with you on Lorraine Kail

Rain Kaley I would chew through her arson until I hit spine But but Yeah That would be, you'd do damage to that. I guess we've got some new merch. That's the tea towel.

Chew through her ass and delude it's spine. Right, don't know, get the Lorraine Kelly pictures off. We're trying to finish an episode. Please. Can you just bring up 9-11 alongside Day with 31st? I'll just stim here for a while. You guys finish it up. I'll just, don't mind me.

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Or we'll get on to play on. I'd save 12 Thai boys from deep inside Lorenzo. I'd build a submarine and get in there and then I'd call you a nonce for doing it yeah fair enough fair enough anyway so Blair at this point I mean he doesn't give me fuck about what anyone thinks about him yeah at this point

no he but he still consistently he's someone who doesn't give a fuck yeah you heard any of the speeches of the inquiry he's like I know I know many people can disagree with you I think I did the right thing because he's kind of got that Catholic destiny Messiah complex right he's got very pretty pretty

bulletproof sense of self yeah self-esteem so you're saying he's an icon for masculine confidence yes I'm saying that yeah

so he goes and meets Gaddafi blah blah blah blah this is real politic right what's that that's like basically pragmatic for fuck ideology you got to deal

with what's in front of you which you know that's Blair through and through well you've been saying the whole time that the whole the way Europe deals with Gaddafi is like

kind of pointless when the guys just got a golden gun didn't give a fuck so you've got to get someone who's like well we've got to deal with him

So let's go and shake hands. Gaddafi sees what's going on with Saddam, doesn't want to end up like him, you know, found in a hole, ironically. And so a British defence firm starts signing contracts to Libya. Gaddafi then starts to gain legitimacy in the West for just, you know, for the first time since he took power, really. Right.

And this is kind of what he craves. He becomes this sort of, this is where he becomes a kind of caricature. Yeah. Where he's like the outfits properly go. Yeah. He's invited back to the UN. He's getting plastic surgery, by the way. Yeah, he's not...

Now, this is... We should talk about his Hareem. I imagine Daniel would like to talk about his sex crimes. Exposing Gaddafi. Yeah. Well, I mean... Surviving Gaddafi. Well, the problem is with a lot of these things,

by numbers, what people are saying, he could be the biggest rapist of all time. But it is rebels who are saying a lot of this stuff. Right. So we really don't know. We don't know if he was the richest man in the world. We don't know if he was the biggest rapist. it was, it's all so biased.

Yeah, but even if he wasn't the richest person in the world, we knew he definitely had a lot of money. He had a bit of cash. He wasn't the biggest rapists that ever lived. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. So some of the alleged stuff from rebels, I guess, which is that he would send... From rebels, allegedly.

He would send his guards into... I don't want to besmirch Gaddafi. Well, this is actually, I mean, what I'm about to spell is Libyan liberal propaganda. Right. in the sense, but it's still fun. You're a shrill. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm a shell to the left. Libyan shell. He would send his guards round to like schools because he would occasionally go around in schools just to remind them. About the green book.

Yeah, yeah. And also to occasionally they'd be like look at their sports hall and be like, you can hang some fucking rebels of here. I tell you what we're going to be. It's just been hanging a guy from there.

Like a dad who's always talking about fixing like a light fix it. You can hang someone up there. Yeah, but it's like to get around to doing that. Yeah, that would. You strung a wood if you want to hang someone yeah because here's the thing

you can hang someone from there but if a woman comes and drags in the light the whole beam's coming down yeah that's shoddy who did that who did that was me that was me was it was my info

yeah fuck okay whoops um um his guys would go round the schools and just pick out like girls between the ages of 12

and 15 and then like make their he loved potential he did he believe in the isn't that not what leaders should

treat for their youth is the potential the potential of the next generation yes admittedly it was to be sex slaves and his harrim

but it's still about I see if yeah nobody yells at bars of scouts for going around the schools watching five-year-olds play football what's the

where's the line but apparently like his got because some of his guards who've like come out since telling stories about how awful it was what shit value was

why you're saying at the time yeah yeah what were you wearing were you wearing military uniform oh and 15 years later

is it your memories have started coming back have they oh what now the dictators died

oh really now you're not risk of death convenient that's convenient they used to make the girls watch

porn and be like this is what you have to do to Gaddafi later on like that's how they right I'm doing this as if they had iPhones back then

yeah and now thinking of the time that this happened probably wasn't showing which one it's probably taking them into like a computer yeah big computer oh that's awful that's the real problem the technology used to catch up but then he had like um he had a secret tunnel from his house into a university dorms yeah yeah but that was just

to check on their homework I'm sure yes to make sure yeah there's nothing untoward but the homework was watching the poor watching the porn so you know how to suck my thing no right something off oh you haven't done your homework this is awful apparently the guards would just touch someone on the head and that's meant that they had to go

and rush them off or whatever and in our schools we play duck duck goose um so Gaddafi obviously that's bad whoever you are but Gaddafi at this point has had so much plastic surgery I mean he looks pretty looks really fuck yeah really fuck so he's almost

looks like a river corpus of himself apparently he's really in on really on the coke I mean look at that That's such a like Thumb-down face He looks clapped for a rich man Even though he's old He does look

But then you look at how If he hadn't touched You know I don't really I never really see The point of plastic surgery But he's such a gorgeous man In the late 60s Yeah

I think that that weird jowly look Is actually from the plastic surgery I think he's had fillers And his lips and his cheeks There's like a numbness yeah Because his eyes are so small And anyway So now we're hurtling towards

His downfall for. So what, how should we do this? Because it's the Arab Spring starts, what, 2010 in Tunisia? 2010, yeah. And Tunisia is the country over from. We haven't placed any of this series actually at all in the time period. Should we just for the people listening to it? So what, to place it from the Arab Spring is officially 2011, I think. Okay, so 2011. So when's, when this? So this will be before, uh, I want to say, is this before Cars 2? Uh, is this before Cars 2? It's, it's the year of Cars 2. Oh, that's a close one.

And it's before Cars 2 and After Cars 1. I think it's after Cars, the film. Right. So it's in between the two Cars films, I believe. The Arraspring kicks off. They were just so impatient for the sequel. Yeah, so 2006 was Cars. All right, that places it perfectly.

So someone in Tunisia, some absolute lunatic sets fire to themselves in Tunisia. Yeah. I can't remember why. Yeah. Birth of Candle. Birth of Candle got out of control. Yeah. It was a gender reveal party went mad.

They set themselves on fire. What happened? Why did the Arab Spring start in Tunisia? Freedom, Facebook marketplace? Is the person set, is the people, person set in themselves on fire? Is that Tunisia?

Yeah, that's where it started. Oh, right, right, right. That's what starts the revolution. No one really talks about the Tunisia one, because I guess it's not that. They did overthrow the government, didn't they? But that was the first one, right?

Yeah, I guess no one cares about Tunisia. Yeah, I guess so. It's a country you're only really think about them if they're drawn in your World Cup group. I think it's such a... Selling vegetables without a... permit was harassed by police, confiscated his scales, he then set himself on fire. I think that's a big escalation. Hold up. I thought it would be a lot more than that. They took his scales.

To be fair, he was selling vegetables without a permit. I mean, come on. Laws are there for a reason. So he was selling vegetables without a permit. He sets himself on fire. I think that's a bit extreme. With the rise of Facebook, it's not been taken over by governments yet. It's not controlled at all. It's used as a revolutionary tool properly for the first time they overthrow a government in Tunisia and then it starts happening all over the Arab world Egypt and then I think in Libya

the starting gun was It was the prison thing Well when they found out about it Yeah it basically comes out Someone realises that he had killed everyone They weren't still there In the prison And it was a lawyer for the families

Yeah And he was like really A quite a brave lawyer who was just like, fuck it, I'm going to go for it. Yeah, it was like 22. And it was like, I'll do that. And then it was like, Gaddafi couldn't just like fucking arrest this guy and kill and get rid of him

because that that would have been the fucking Tinderbox that started off, which it was eventually. But they eventually, I think they went and arrested this guy. They beat up the guy's mother. Like to sort of send a fucking warning. And this 22 year old guy who just either didn't give a shit or fucking hated his mom and was doing it anyway. Bussman's holiday.

Yeah. He's that young. He's like, fuck mom, man. Yeah, he liked Blink 1-8 too. So he got taken away and locked away a little bit while investigating. And that was the moment that people started going out into the streets. So protests start. Is this in the east of the country as well?

This is in Tripoli. Oh, right. So there's in the West. In Benghazi where they hate him anyway. Yeah, and the East, because he's starved the East out of any infrastructure or anything, which is happening a lot, which happened when the prison rights happened, they have nothing to lose now. I think there's a problem with a lot of the downfall

is it reached the point where yeah you can kill us all but our lives are so fucked anyway so there's a big protest sparked by the revelation the families are missing people are all dead led by the lawyer and then Gaddafi does his first move signature move kill everyone starts firing on

them and then he does this mad speech on February 22nd where he basically says he's going to go alleyway by alleyway and clean house and get rid of all the stray dogs and he'd quote, rather die a martyr than step down. He called the protesters rats.

Blames al-Qaeda, foreign agents. Then, I think, is that when Obama basically is like, we need to step in here because he's using tanks against his own people. Chemical weapons? I think he's probably using chemical weapons. By March, Libya was in four-blown civil war. Rebels controlled Benghazi in the east. Gaddafi's

forces are held up in Tripoli. The NATO alliance create a no-fly zone, right? Yes, that's right. That's their thing, because they're not going to actively get involved troops on the ground but instead they're going to stop

any planes being up and the big advantage the government will have over its own people is air space control and this is

sort of the last time the West it's holding down the bully's arms while you let the kids I'm not getting involved in the vote but I'm going to hold

the bully's arms down while all these toddlers kick the shit out of them and it's weird how I think this is the last time the West intervenes militarily and the first

if you asked me yep and the first because obviously in the spring there's this kind of inconsistency and that some countries the west go in on yeah and then some like Syria they don't and that obviously but it's a web of arms deals oil deals right it's kind of like it's complicated but they decide to back the rebels the rebels form uh an nTC national transition council something like that and so yeah NATO operate no fly zone which means they'll shoot anything down

so uh rebels essentially have air superiority over Libya and then um I think it's more less as yeah Because I think it's more, there's nothing in the air, which makes it a more fair fight, basically. They're also, they're sending in, the UN is like sending in people in to, like, train the ground troops. Right, right. You know, hey, here's, the mercenaries, not hard by us, but we're sending them in. So, uh, NATO launch air, no, they do know, they do launch airstrikes in March. Oh, right. They do.

That's kind of the big controversial Cameron foreign policy thing or the Cameron government. Yeah. That's kind of his. But this is just, and the whole, every time the bomb's going off, Gaddafi's just on camera being like, oh, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my. My third cousin wants for him all. No. My cousin. Oh,

not the house where I keep all my baby peas. Not rape babies. Regular babies. Well, someone in the Amazonian Guard did take a bullet for Gaddafi and died. And then he named a kid after her. Oh. Yeah.

So. Was he holding the gun? Was it? Yes, he shot her. And it went, Oh, my favorites. Because he did. I don't know if he did.

spoke about the first couple of episodes. He threw tantrums quite regularly. I know he didn't talk about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the time, like, when he was, whenever he started these revolutions and he would put these new governments in place, they'd be like, okay, so the people actually want you to do this. And he's like, well, fine, I'll go to the desert then. And he'd be away for a month. And they're like, so there's no leader for a month. Then he'd come back and act like nothing else has happened. Right. Guys, guess who wrote another book? Yeah. As you speaking to that, his book from 2006, which is madder than the green book, he talks really specifically

about like bizarre things like ventilation and restaurant he talks about pre-COVID it's like it's like it's like Grimes it's like Sean Walsh's at you now you know

Sean Walsh's podcast it's that but he's writing it as Colonel Gaddafi it's 2006 but basically the fun cover of this book looks exactly like

the Obama dreams from my father and it could not be more different anyway so yeah Cameron controversially he's quite he's certainly been

office about 18 months or something and they all agree NATO to start air strikes they side with the rebels and after a while this is October Gaddafi flees to

CERT which is the town he's actually born nearest and he's holed up there and there's a convoy of like 70 cars and they're basically waiting to try and break through the rebels lines

and get all the way to like Niger or something. That's what they want to get to. Partly, but I think he actually does it as a sort of suicide mission. He records a video for his family. Oh, really? Thinking he's going to die. Oh, right. And it's just to like, fuck it. Let's go for it. Fuck it. Let's do it live. I think it is viewed as a... He absolutely did a lane beforehand.

Yeah. It was just a huge fat rat. Gaddafi and his boys in the car. With 74 cars, he births out of the convoy. He's been shot up by the Reve. And they're basically, NATO dropper, precision airstrike. A French plane blows up a lot of the vehicles. Gaddafi and some bodyguards stumble out. I try and find cover.

They're on a main road. They need to get off the main road because obviously, you can see them. They find a dirty sewage pipe. They hole up in rebel bullets flying everywhere. The bodyguards fight to the last. They get killed as well. Eventually, this angry mob of rebels drag Gaddafi out. get him over a hood of a car

and I mean how long do they torture him for? They beat him up for ages they stab him they punch him all the time Gaddafi's going what did I ever do to you please my friend no they then there's no other way to say it they sodomize him

with a big knife it's a pretty visceral image he's also covered he's covered in shit yeah that is what you get though it is a satisfying thing of that is what you get that's what you get If you do, you know, a bunch of close to genocides, you bunch of fucking rapes, you got... Biggest rapists of all time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get, I'm going to knife your arse to death. Well, I guess it's also like, he had a pretty fun life. So, like, would you take that fun of life for like... Live fast, die, I mean, it's a bad end. Yeah. Up until the last six months, it was pretty fun for him. So you reckon when he's weighing up the scales of his life?

It's like, yeah, it went out. Like, either or you're like an accountant who does tough mother and then you die peacefully with your family, but it's like a boring ass. life. Yeah. I didn't end up getting sodomized at the end, but was it worth it?

Yeah. Yeah. The most amount of cocaine anyone's ever done, the most amount of like shagging via rape there's ever... He had a golden pistol, man. That's awesome.

Every party has a hangover. You know, every high has a come down. There's a low. Yeah, exactly. Imagine getting invited to the White House and be like, come and hang out in my fucking tent. Yeah.

I don't know. For such a long narrative, it is like... It's quite a satisfying. There's never been a better ending to a government official. A government official has never left office in a more satisfying way. Well, it's just like, yeah. You know, it's like, oh, he just got voted out.

Hitler killed himself. This is insane. Well, just the punishment for greediness. You got greedy and now you're getting punished. The richest man in the world. I mean, I tell you who else I'd like to die this way is Brian Johnson. That guy who's spending all that money trying to live forever. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

68 years old. If he's 68 years old people pull him out of a sewage pipe, and fucking sodomizing with the pair of them. I'm so annoying. We're just like, well, you know,

fuck you, we're all mortal. Yeah, but we all want to live forever. Fuck off. Yeah. Yeah.

Fuck you. This will make you live longer. How's this for a supplement your dick? The opposite of a Glasgow kiss. A Glasgow rim job. A Glasgow rimming. Well,

you have a theory that you mentioned the live show about Gaddafi. That you've been, you know, well, it's a thing that's the internet joke that I've been trying to work for a raise.

me their entire friendship. I want Bonnie Blue or someone like that to be a guest and I guess the perfect thing versus the internet joke for me would be you describe your favourite sex position

and then you describe in detail but it's like shaggy dog story so maybe three minutes you describe the entirety of Gaddafi's reign running the country you talk all the intricacies and this is my sexual fantasy

and eventually with all the rage of all the Libyan people who have been oppressed for decades they've had their rights their nation should stolen from you and with that anger the force of the millions of people who live here gets shoved up your ass and that is

that is the perfect like that's your sexual dream is just that and then you call the that sex that's expression called the Gaddafi or something like that is the final punchline but I do think there's a perfect joke in there somewhere every episode we ever wrote at one point a ratio goes can we do that joke about Gaddafi being fucked up the ass as he does but if we get a porn star who have no idea about the interests of Gaddafi yeah no we're explaining in detail oh this is my favorite position I will write a book of aphorisms that I give to a population

and again I'm spending oil wealth mainly on terrorism It goes on forage Yeah And it ends with that Oh Yeah Covered in shit in a sewage pipe

Oh Yeah So he's He's angrily Viciously fucked up the ass And it's funny how all the podcasts I listened to There was this sort of like

He was a terrible man but no one deserves to die like that. Like, fuck off. I absolutely. Oh, come on. Yeah. Let the dog see the rabbit. Have we go.

Come on. You know. But for them to say that about fucking, you know, Gaddafi would be like, nobody deserves this. I'm like, man, I would take David Cameron getting that done. Like, I would absolutely, Jacob Reesmock,

instead of getting a fucking UK TV documentary. If we were just allowed to get all the great families of the Grenfell victims, to fuck him up the arts. Just stuff his arse with fucking insulation through a rusty fucking pipe. That's how you leave office, you can. Chew through Jacob's

or Mark's ass till he hits spine. Well, I think the Gaddafi story is a rare satisfying end. It's a glorious thing. Because it's like, Saddam's quite satisfying the hanging, but the brutal kind of like impulsiveness of the way that they dealt with Gaddafi. No trial.

It's the mob ripping you to shreds. Yes, yes. And it's what we're kind of starved of with Hitler. I mean, obviously you don't really we wouldn't have that would be Nuremberg, but it's like, because it's such a tragedy that Hitler killed himself.

What would you? For many reasons. Wait, it's a very, all life, all suicides are tragic. Men's mental health is a serious problem.

What would you have sodomized Hitler with if we got? I don't know, because what you really want is Holocaust, the inhabitants of Auschwitz. Yeah.

Sodomizing Hitler or something. You want images, you want something like that. What's the 12 candle thing? Minora. Yeah, yeah. But you should be hoisted by his own potard, right?

Yeah. or if he gets gassed or whatever but something drown die by farting gas mask yeah he has a gas mask and you're just farting into it

every Holocaust survivor farts into it six million farts yeah that would be it six million Jewish farts I guess the argument against the way that Gaddafi was treated on all these podcasts

is saying that they're trying to rebuild Libya and you want it to be built on the idea of a just system so you trial him and he gets to stand victim but I think there is something about

the grainy footage he's covered in shit he looks like there is something that maybe puts dictators off more like does it work as more of a warning yeah i don't know i mean then they then because like you're like you're just that image if you see it's burnt into your head of like that's what might happen if i yeah become a dictator it's what stopped me from becoming exactly oh maybe not but then they take turns putting a bullet in him yeah so he gets no one knows how many times he's shot and he's then uh dragged to a um supermarket like walking freezer he's just laying there like almost in state

he's lying in state Philip Schofield skip the queue yeah Schofield's pushing in to try and see Gaddafi I like the fact that he's in the fridge because they were like so many people are going to want to see this fucking body and even though we've so optimised them with a knife and we've

put a thousand bullet holes with him let's keep his body fresh so people can come in but you would if you've been oppressed by this I'd travel across the country absolutely take come on I buy a Thomas Cook package holiday to go and see Goodaffin. Well, on the high street.

Yeah, yeah, I'd walk in. So, hello. I'd seen the news today. I'd like to go see Goodaffee. Oh, yeah, no, always. We've got a package shut up. But I guess what, and there's a tragedy of this, I guess it's almost like when Ferguson left United, uh, he was such a big personality that she'd be never so long.

I'd say he had a slightly more dignified end, I'd say. Clap top at the Strepheendons rather than sodomized in the sewage pipe. Imagine if Fergie, if like, Venger are just torn. It's like all the players Arsenal fan TV Lee judges You But I think

I guess modern Libya Which we don't hear about at all Because Gaddafi had so much star power He's the only Libyan Any of us know Like he was so famous Like think about it Historically there's no Libyan

I don't know what's going on there now I can't think of any figure That's even related to Libya I think they would engulfed with lots of civil wars All the tribes Isis were in there a bit Isis came in there It was such a power vacuum

And because he had suppressed all opposition And no one was allowed to build any sort of fame notoriety It was so hard for anyone to take control And then some people I think there's going to be A creeping nostalgia Where they misremember the Gaddafi era

I think that's due to happen in 10 years As soon as a new youth generation come through it's like At least we had someone on the global stage Yeah And there's going to be like a revisionism Is my prediction So where do you

We've got to the end the Gaddafi story he's died he died doing what he loved face deep and sewage being fucked up

the ass by bayonet two destroyed ship plate was a destroyed ship so where do we you know this is the second

dictator we've dealt with on the pod where do we in the top gear rankings you know where does Gaddafi sit we've

we didn't know I love Mao I've always been a Mao guy but Mao has a cold almost clinical nature to

whereas it's a polar opposite of this guy this guy's a maniac I guess it was all about flair with Gaddafi that's why I mean where it's not don't you can't judge him on his numbers you have to see him live you have to understand it reminds you why you love the game passion of like the Napoli like what

Marlon did to the city of Napoli right you know he's bigger than it but he goes to the club he takes the club into orbit that's what Gaddafi did for Libya almost I don't think we'll ever see a dictator with a similar level of flare I sort of

Well, there's some of who have flair. It's how he managed to do it for 40. It was the, it was over so many eras. Like, there's people who, like, they flare up. They're really noisy dictators and they get killed within eight years. Yeah. You know what I mean?

If he'd not been killed, he would have been absolutely the first dictator to have an Instagram. And he absolutely, because he would have Instagram live. Because Afi's sons are doing, like TikTok down. With the golden fucking gun, showing all the cool shit. He literally had a golden gun. Yeah. I mean, the guy is the closest to a real life bond.

villain i think we'll ever have maybe he's above mao he probably is above mao then in the i think so i think just in terms of showmanship flair so we've done two dictators now we've so far done two dictators i would put godaffi above Mao okay um so this is what the Gaddafi family would be doing this is the good this the Gaddafi show this is the Gaddafi in his son i remember when dads used to hit their kids the west is dead yeah yeah i uh sloss and he and he closing thoughts on Gaddafi? I mean,

when you made me going away and research it, I was, I went to do more research afterwards because I was just like this, there's got to be more. He's just, he was doing it for a laugh.

Now, admittedly, not everyone got the joke. Right? Yeah. You know, it was, he was doing out there stuff. It was like,

he was a, you know what? Kaufman-esque stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Or Alex Jones Info Wars. Right. Yeah.

Like, there's kind of a mirror of just like madness. Well, look, now we're in the era where you got Trump, you got Alex Jones, you got Kanye West, where the madness is actually mainstream. Yes. But Gaddafi was years before that. He was doing it when it wasn't the cool thing to do, you know? Yeah. And he was just...

Yeah, and he was just doing it. Like, he sent the fucking train for so many crazy things of just, you know, I don't give a shit and I'm going to do it my way because I've got the most amount of money that's literally ever existed. And I can get you all back on site by just saying, Muslims. Am I right? Al-Qaeda. They said that he might have had 200 billion, which back then was probably like,

would have been like four or 500 billion. Yeah, because he would start pile fucking gold and then hide another because he sort of figured that he might get caught

at one point. So I guess the Gaddafi's are using it. Yeah. One of his sons is now running to be like a, not a local counsellor, but. Local counsellor.

I guess there's a, I will clean your bins. The thing is, is well, I do think the Gaddafi family probably will get back in. It's just like the name recognition. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Is that how else are you going to break through? I don't know. So that brings us to the end, I think, of an epic fortnight on Colonel Gaddafi. As I said at the start, I'm in love. I'm in love with Gaddafi. And if that's wrong, I don't want to be right. Thanks so much, Sloss, for coming in.

Do you have anything to promote? No. Nah. Nothing. That's lovely. That's really nice. Just a genuine fan. That's nice.

Thanks so much for coming down. Very plugs. Very nice. I imagine Sloss would have several things to say to some of the patrons, so I'm pretty sure are guilty of sex crimes. Nottie, naughty. Thanks so much, Daniel.

Thanks for ratio. We'll be back next week with a new topic. If you'd like a bonus episode, that's on the Patreon. You can sign up for three pounds. We'll go through Godaffi's sons. We'll do Godaffi's sons.

Which are a lot of fun. For sure. Thanks so much for watching and we'll see you next time. Bye-bye. Thank you.