Fin vs History - How Annoying Were These Women Though? | Jack the Ripper: The Murders (Part 2/3)

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

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He's walked down the wicket. That's the ratio gauld. Sorry about that. I regret saying. Those were his words. Oh, bloody hell, he's got me in a fanny. I didn't know how the sentence was going to end and I wish it didn't end that way

That was the final word That was the last words Of the first victim Say her name Say her name Mary Ann Nichols Who was found Believe her

Yeah I do believe that you were chopped up By someone So this is quite easy to believe women In this scenario Believe all women Who have been disemboweled I think she was being harassed Well listen

When I see her body I was like You know what I believe her When she said she was being harassed There's two sides of every story Let me let me Let me fill everyone in

This is one thing that is missing From the discourse Is we don't know How annoying these women were being We don't know There's so much about this We don't know We don't know who Jack the Ripper was

We don't know how annoying these women were So It's easy to judge now but we have no idea how yeah we've all our girlfriends come home drunk she's telling you about her dreams and you thought I'm going to slit your throat in two places so

Mary Ann Nichols has been found her throat severed by two deep cuts one of which severed all the tissue down to the vertebrae her vagina has been stabbed twice her abdomen has been partially ripped open and her bowels are protruding the police are treating

this as suspicious there's something going on which for them at this point in time is actually it's quite as cute yeah there's

something fishy going on at east end of London it's not the guys using fish intestines as condoms no officer William Thick has been

that doesn't look right there's a woman there's a woman that's asleep on the floor that seems thoroughly weird so Mary Ann Nichols has been at a bottomless brunch

all day and has ended up with quite the headache yeah she's been completely disembowed yeah she's been hit for six

she's been hit for six she's been absolutely done she's been Jack the Ripper is a sort of middle order batsman very destructive he's done you there love

he's done you love I'll tell you what there's no two ways about it many people walk past the body thinking he's fucking done you there love you've been absolutely done in you up again this is attitude's very different

at Victoria in London Mary Ann Nichols is a prostitute in the Victorian sense which means she is a woman nowadays we would say that she She's a drunk woman She's drunk Nowadays we'd say drunk

And she's a private working class But then they'd say that's a prostitute Yeah And William Thicks on the case Big Thick-o Police officer We've got thick on the case

He's got this sewn up Yeah So that's Now the press report this Murder But obviously There's been a prostitute's been murdered In East London

It's maybe it's like page 8 Yes But the manner of the killing the fact she's been disembowed, that is unusual. That is unusual. Yeah. And I think, is either this one or the next one, annoyingly, I can't remember, there's a leather apron found next to her body.

Right. Which is, they then start calling the killer leather apron. That's the early doors. Yeah, which is a pretty shit nickname. Yes. Now that we know the killer is Jack the Ripper, that nickname is much better than the leather apron. Yeah, I know, but you're riffing.

You're hot on the case. You can't think of something good immediately. You know. Then they call her the apruner or the tannina or something like that. And then, yeah, one of the suspects is a bloke with a leather apron and it's like, yeah, you'd feel pretty fucked off. It's the second murder, which is a week later, where the press really start to kick off. And we should talk about the press, because I guess one of the interesting things in the Jack the Ripper instance is it's the first time there's really a sort of bad taste tabloid industry. Which hasn't left this country as well.

We're still probably the worst for it. I think we probably have the worst tabloids, yeah, exactly. And it all started here. If Prince Harry was around in these days My God, he'd be whang-on about it. He'd be wanging on about it. But it's kind of like it's the birth of all this stuff because

because of some law enacted that basically a lot more working class people are getting educated. Some law. It's a mad law. In the 1880s, there's an education act where basically literacy is on the rise more than it's ever been anywhere.

So you can basically sell mass sell newspapers to working class people. But they're also, they're picture books. Yes. In that there's a, there's genuinely a newspaper called the Illustrated Police News, right. Which is, the front page is just essentially cartoons of dead women.

Right, brilliant. So that the EastEnders can, can read it. Yeah. And it's, I mean, for this podcast, we use incredibly clickbaity thumbnails because that's the nature of YouTube in the algorithm. You know, we're in a lineage of this. Instead of having a clickbaity Mr. B style thumbnail saying, Hitler sucked off who?

that what they would do is they'd stand on street corners saying, you know, prostitute got chopped in half. The illustrated police news, as you can see, it's like, it's basically just a cartoon strip and they start drawing crime scene photos, really. And also photography is, it's just starting

like the 1860, 70s, so that's kind of new as well. I have a theory, I think part of the reason why people don't, because there's been this whole culture war around Jack the Ripper recently. So there's a book written in 2019, called The Five by a story called Haley Rubin star

Oh yeah yeah Was that on the history hit podcast Were you listened to her talk about it Yeah yeah But every Every podcast talks about this now Because she basically Is credited with changing the narrative

Of who was Jack the Ripper To who cares Let's talk about the women Yes And the funny response to that Is going Well they were prostitutes Let's get back to finding out

Who's But what was funny It was hearing her talk about it So her big thing was like We'll never find out Jack the Ripper is, let's use this opportunity to find out these lives of working class women that you'd never normally hear about as a way of really like rendering, making the time period feel much more alive. What is funny is that the Ripperologist and the Jack the Ripper

community being some of the biggest losers in the world, the response to someone trying to tell the stories of the victims, it's like, it's like a D&D guy and suddenly someone's brought, Suddenly, someone, one of the, your dungeon master has brought his girlfriend along. Yeah. He's the first bloke in the group to have a girlfriend. Yeah. And now whenever she discusses, maybe there should be like an elf woman, you're like, well, why don't you shut up you all? No, because elves can't be women.

They're a single sex. Right, no, it doesn't work. It doesn't work like that. This made up, uh, world that we make up every time we play the game, actually women can't have ears. James Bond's actually white. He's a white character. So why would you ever get a black guy to play? It doesn't make sense.

Like having a dwarf, James Bond doesn't make sense. And her talking, on this podcast, talking about how much abuse she's getting from the Ripper community. Oh! Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, they're talking about her in the Victorian sense. Exactly.

She's a woman talking on a podcast, so she must be a prostitute. But it's so funny. I feel there's a lot that you learn from this period about how awful, how badly women are treated. It's so funny that people who have obsessed this period. Well, cut in half. Yeah. I still treated.

I think I knew, I think I got sent to that. Just from the overview, five women who weren't prostitutes, but they called that on police reports, have been cut in half. Yeah, on a spectrum of maybe like the Aziz Ansari case on Me Too, which was like a bad day. Yeah. I think the other end.

If he's getting dragged into this, that really has gone too far. Well, I think she was the sixth victim, you know. Oh, the woman on the Aziz Ansari date. Yeah, yeah. The woman had an awkward date with Aziz Ansari. He shoved his tongue down my throat. Well, do you know what?

he's Jack the Ripper. At least you still got your tongue. Yeah. Yeah. But the, so the press are essentially, you know, the... The word the press are having a field day, it's probably never more apt than this. Yeah. But also...

The press have never had more of a field day, ever. No. Apart from maybe when David Beckham wore a sarong. Yeah. It's like a close second to Jack the Ripper, I think. But people... It must say people are ready for it. People are gagging for it.

People are... up for, you know, as I said in the last episode, the rich West Londoners are going into the East End to retrace the footsteps. As you said, there are walking tours. After the second murder, which we'll get onto, there's already walking tours. It's during Jack the Ripper that this industry starts.

Let's get on to the second murder. This is a week later. Annie Chapman. 10 of the 8th. Say her name. Annie Chapman. Newspapers. Annie Chapwoman, who I call her.

Yes, Annie Chapwoman. To give her a proper name. Herstery. Yeah. This is a Hurstery. This is a Finn versus Hurstery. that is a different show so Saturday the 8th of September 1888

the body of Annie Chapman discovered at approximately 6am near the steps to the doorway of the backyard of 29 Hanbury Street Now Hambury Street is Into Pitifulfield Pretty much just off brick lane right

Yes and do you know down brick lane Do you know that inside It's near the vintage place We got a lot of these suits right Yeah You know the street food market That's inside Yes I know that

By I think like the Tibetan dumpling stand is where her body was found. So, as in the case of Nichols, the throat is severed by two deep cuts. Abdomen cuts entirely open. That's his big one. That's the consistency of all the canonical murders. It's a supuku. Yeah.

It's like you make a door out of your tummy and then you open the door. Yeah, he's a weep. He's into anime. Hello. And then all you guys fall out. The Japanese do it to themselves because they find everything dishonorable. Sorry, I'm just saying that the evidence for this being a Japanese woman is mounting. But the reason why you commit Sapuku or Harry Kiri is because you have dishonoured yourself, right?

Yes. So much dishonour. Yeah. But where he's doing it is because the women have dishonoured themselves. Yes, of course. Does a Harry Kiri to them. He, Harry Kiri's them. So, Annie Chapman's had her abdomen completely cut open.

She's at the found in the food market in Brick Lane. Yeah, so just by the, what is it? The, like, I think it's like that. Tabesson dumplings. Yeah, they're kind of, yeah, yeah. So people are kind of stepping over her body to get their lunch and then go back to their graphic design job. Yeah, she's still there.

She's still there just with a quote. That's what shot me on the Ripper tour, is that they haven't moved the body yet. Amazing, isn't it? They haven't moved the bodies. And her stomach has been put on her left shoulder. Yep. And another section, like her small intestine is on her right shoulder.

Right. So this is kind of a Marina Abramvich style, like, what's he saying? Yes. Okay, so it's a thinker. Well, I think the question is about how unrealistic body image, I think in the media, how, you know, women's, they need to, they're, they're encouraged to eat below what people would expect them to. Yeah. So he's a plus-sized campaigner. Yeah. These are protest murders. He's saying people are, the society's setting unrealistic body standards. Yes. Women shouldn't fill their stomachs as much as they should. Nothing is more unrealistic than walking around with your small intestine over your right shoulder. That's just not. not practical.

Autopsy also revealed her uterus and sections of her bladder and vagina had been removed. I mean, where have they gone? It's my question. Are they at the crime scene? What's William Thick doing with this? What's Billy Thick is on the scene again? So the inquest into Chapman's murder, she's seen standing outside the food court at about 5.30 a.m. in the company of a dark-haired man

wearing a brown deer stalker hat now that could have happened yesterday because there's still those cunts of Bricklayne. Could be Sherlock Holmes. Shatman's killed 8th of September and then the press... Going to overdrive. Well, yeah, they start... It becomes this public inquiry

where everyone's trying to find out who it could possibly be. Yeah. This guy called John... This Jewish guy called John Pied or pieces or something like that has a leather apron so everyone thinks it's him. Yeah. He's a butcher as well.

Because the killer needs to have some atonomical understanding to creatively put an entire stomach on a woman's shoulder. Well, does he? I reckon I could do that. Yeah, they do always say that. They do always say that he showed a lot of like

autonomical skill, but I think if you're just fucking going hell for leather. If you've got a knife and you're kind of will open and you're putting a stomach on her shoulder, I don't think, what a genius. So is he a fine artist? Yeah. We need to find, who painted the Sistine Chapel?

He must be a surgeon. Surgeons are famously putting intestine the people's shoulders and then they're leaving, oh, have you gone in for a bit of surgery? Yeah. Yeah, just keyhole actually. Just having my intestine put to my right shoulder. Hello, I'm Elizabeth Day,

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Well, William Thicks on the case, and he's just dribbled over the crime scene. A lot people say they've done it, a lot people are saying who they think has done it, but this letter comes through. Well, the story is dying down is the key thing, because this is like two weeks past and the story is dying down

but then, as you say The Dear Boss letter comes which is a letter written in red ink In a way that a lot of Ripper people would write You know like Ripper fans And that's where the He signs it Jack the Ripper Right

And that's where the Jack the Ripper comes from Now why Ripper Is in what like what you know Is he just because he's ripped them open I guess so Is he misspelled raper? Like, what's the... I think it's because he ripped them open.

Right, okay. What is interesting about this letter is he does say that he's going to clip the ears of his next victim. Right. And they are clipped when it happens. Are they? Which makes you think it would be like that, right? And he also says, but then in the next letter that comes afterwards, there's also, which has a completely different handwriting.

Yeah. They say there's going to be like a kidney, the right kidney will be removed. it is but potentially they might know information before you know so the dear boss letter happens this is when Jack the Ripper becomes a thing and then three days after this letter which hits the press which causes

them to kind of go crazy again bang bang two women this is the big night two towers 9-11 now this is my favourite one actually this third one here the two women well Elizabeth Stride Swedish she's Swedish yeah we don't know loads about her she's a prostitute that's all we

Swedish prostitute. So this was outside a pub in Whitechapel. The cause of death was a single clear cut incision measuring six inches across her neck. But basically, she's the least mutilated, right? And she is found by a bloke coming into the pub. The Swedes have it good, don't they? Yeah.

Found by a bloke coming into the pub. He sees this woman outside the pub face down, steps over her because he thinks, oh that's probably my wife pissed again right yeah he walks into the pub yeah sees his wife at the bar and then goes well what the fuck and then goes back out yeah realize it's a dead body they all gather around uh it's like five 10 minutes old wow so it's he literally if he probably looked another directory probably would have seen jack the ripper running off into the distance but because he's like a face down woman that's probably my

wife steps over her to go to the bar. I mean, that sums up what it is like to be in the East end of London. You see a woman face down and go, that's probably my wife. And then step over. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think there's a level of misogyny in the Victorian East End that really contributes to this. I mean, what's that like, explain that to your wife. When you go in see that she's pissed but she's behind the bar yeah what are you saying oh i thought you were i thought you were face down outside well then why didn't you help me up yeah i was gonna get a drink yeah like certainly that still leads to an argument when it's like oh can you imagine the way home what even if you thought it was me you thought i'm bleeding out you're not gonna help me up no

i thought you done it yourself you stupid old cow i was gonna get a pint because yeah because he'll he'll think he's a hero that's the funny thing is that he'll be like i'll just cover the body and she'll be like you thought it was your wife um so what the reason why people think it's not as complicated as other there's a chance that he didn't do this one because it doesn't have all the other trimmings and by trimmings i mean shoulder on shoulder foot upon shoulder stomach ponder shoulder stomach pander shoulder i'm having testes pandishaldo you got to get your intestines pander your kidney pan shoulder em dot rasser is a suspect in this case yeah yeah because he's cutting his foot off and put them on the shoulder he's splitting and

Pussy and two half. Yep. Yeah, with a knife. Christ. Oh, dear. So, yeah, he's potentially Jamaican, this guy. Yeah. Japanese woman, Jamaican, ma'am, we don't know.

It's one of the two. There's either a Japanese woman who's still at large. Bust a pussy or put him. Or the Jamaican man, busting women's pussies open. Put the intestines, Spondershaler. Cutting them big batty gials open on these streets of London. So, but this is probably why she's not mutilated as much because it's outside of pub needs to run away.

But basically, probably. the coach pulled up because he'd actually come from a long day at work I think and then come to the pub and then he'd scarpered Then he kills Catherine Eddo's And this is He's got your ghost town and her, does he?

Yeah So basically this one is the only one Actually takes place in the old city of London And that's why the city of London police get involved Yeah Because still they have their own police force For some reason Yeah

Right basically St. Bulldov's church What is it? What's the church called St. uh bald off we'll pretty want a picture of it basically there's a church that was called prostitute island right

a church yeah a church called prostitute island right because um that's what i call that's what i call love island they don't type in prostitute type in st bald off is what you do you don't type of prostitute island

my wife my wife's watching prostitute island again i just want to see if it's saint yeah st baldolph's church right so it's still there now bodolf botulfs botulfs St. Bottholves Church. Cut a bot off. Big Bottey.

Big Batty's Church. St. Batty's Church. It's in Big Batty's Church. It's Prostute's Island. So it was just like a kind of area of town where there's a lot of prostitution happening. But the rule is you're not allowed to linger outside of church and do prostitution. So they would circle the church. And that's why it was called prostitution.

Island because it was just like this ring of prostitutes just walking constantly. I mean, you had to, like, a sushi train and you were to just pick one. It was like yo sushi. And they had like yellow plates. Because if they stopped, then the police would arrest them. Wow. Because they could just be on their way own. So they're just lapping a church.

They're just lapping a church. And they've got like yellow shoes, if they're like a bit syphilitic. And then blue shoes, like a blue fin chuna. Well, that's a good one. Yeah. Because you know there was a directory of prostitutes called, um, oh, what was it called? Yellow Pages. Basically, there was a yellow pages for prostitial.

shoots in London, it was called Something's List of Covent Garden Ladies. Oh, right. This is in the This is back in the Regency period. So, but this is, there was basically... The pictures. Essentially 1-1-8. It's like, how long ago was this picture taken? Genuinely, it's a directory.

You're going to meet at 25-year-old, she's 90 years old. You have to change the photo. Harris list of Coven Garden Ladies. And so this is about 100 years previously. Yeah. But this was basically if you wanted a, which you wanted a prostitute, you buy essentially a yellow pages and it would have them like

how civilistic they are what their sort of sexual ability is whether they're like how civility they are because there'll be like a level where she's like she's quite syphilitic but I am quite horny yeah like you have to really do a bit of pros and cons they've all got syphilis so it's just a scale it's a spectrum um in 1880s

london prostitutes likely had a noticeable body odour due to the poo salinate sanitation of the time with the prevalent smell likely being a mix of sweat umwashed clothes the general city stink cause been adequate sewage systems horse manure and industrial waste Now I don't think the researchers on the rest of history

do this because Charlie Charlie produces two of the podcasts I'm on and is one of the maddest internet searches ever How did prostitute smell in 1880s London How do you think they smell Charlie Why are we typing this?

We're talking about a lot of different things We're trying to make this vivid for the listener And you're typing in how does that 18th century prostitution smell bad I can tell ask me I'll tell you clearly bad we we don't need research on it we don't need primary sources we know how they smell they smell terrible anyway he basically picked her up from the yo sushi chain of prostitutes big batty's church right and because also I think so what was her name Catherine eddo's I think she was in the clink for prostitution

and she was let out like a day early so if she wasn't she would be alive but she was let out and she went straight back to the prostitute sushi train yeah oh yeah so just talking about this is the Harris's catalogue of prostitutes that used to get

Miss Clicklamp of number two York Street near Middlesex Hospital is described as one of the finest fattest figures as fully finished for fun and frolic as fertile fancy ever formed fortunate for the true lovers of fat

should fate throw them into the possession of such full-grown beauties. The jauntiness of the misogyny in this era is really quite fun. We should do something about the Regency period because it's so funny how it's such a sharp U-turn in British life

in that the Georgians, the 1700s, everyone's gay. Everyone's gay, then chasing people, put each other around with big skirts. Yeah, it's gay, fat. They're spanking each other, they're doing, like, beauty-spot.

Men are wearing makeup, bumpy, pumpy, everyone's fat, and then the Victorians are, you have to be a strong man, you don't cry if you're a woman who's not married,

you're a prostitute. Like the sin, it's, I mean, it kind of alternates, doesn't it? Because you've got the Civil War, Cromwell, protectorate, boring, boring, boring, boring. Snap back, everyone's gay, everyone's fat. Snap back to Victorian, don't cry, buckle up, get away, you whore. And then you have the 60s, everyone's fat, everyone's a prostitute. And now it's the end of what, it's kind of, we're still having a tail end of that, really, right? Everyone's got blue air and's fat.

But then it's probably going to swing back to God Conservatives. I hope so. Yeah, bloody hopes. I probably hope so. Right. So then she went down to Mitre Square. Eddows is back on the sushi train.

She's immediately picked up. By Jack the Ripper. And as I said before, a lot of these prostitutes won't have rooms or won't have brothels. They will just do it in a dark and dally up against a wall.

Yeah. They're real goers, these women. Yes. So they go to Maita Square, which is now where a school is. Disgraceful. So she died in, what is now a playground.

I can't believe they built a school and they brought that their prostitute. And this is... They've got blue plaques these women do you know that? Really? Yeah.

Where? Well, just where they were murdered there's a blue plaque. We passed it. So we went, on the Ripper Tour, we went to Maita Square. It's kind of been knocked down. It's not really exists as a square anymore

but it was one of the most seedy squares in London. Right. And it's completely black at this point, pitch back. And what I don't understand is how we managed to do so much you know, ripping intestines out all in pitch black. Listen, the guy is,

not a fucking artist he's just got a sharp knife and a woman that's all he's doing and so she's one of the worst uh how she's treated she uh really she's chopped in two halves genuinely so it's like down from her neck all the way to her vagina is cut in half right pretty much and there's a drawing of it just there if you scroll down on the right charlie you see that so yeah so big slides down the middle um and charlie didn't know about any of this a bobby on the beat, who I don't know his name. PC thick. Yeah, sorry, PC, like, dumb c.

PC dumb c. Finds, hello, hello, what's going on here then? Immediately blows his whistle, right? Do do, do, do, do. Yeah, and then in Maita Square, another policeman lives, right? And was about to go on his beat, right? Comes out and goes, this is fucking man. I was at home, and like a couple of yards away from my window,

Jack the Ripper has just been mute. This woman in a public square. Yeah. But after this, after the double murder, this is when the press go into Overtrive. And this is where you would say that the public really don't help the police investigation. No, why?

Because they start writing fake letters saying it's me. They then also, bear in mind, the commissioner is just still obsessed with dogs at this point. You're still trying to bang up Excel. Well, we've got one problem at a time, is my opinion. Let's sort the dog problem out, and then we'll get to that, please. So they're then basically saying,

the Mets are fucking stupid they're just concentrating on dogs there's like vigilante East End vigilante commissioners formed and basically vigilantes are not really it's not really being police properly so people are just starting their own community watch and the papers are like slating the police

and like saying these vigilantes are good so no one's this one happened to the city of London the city of London police is competitively trying to get all the glory they want to solve it so none of them are sharing any information with each other but they're also they're telling they're telling the press stuff that the Met don't want

you out there the only bit of evidence is found from the double murder there's two things right there's the graffiti which is it says the Jews are the men who will not be blamed

for nothing which as graffiti goes doesn't make any fucking sense makes no sense it's a double negative yeah so you're saying the Jews are you saying the Jews are blameless

yeah well that's what it could be that obviously they're not the most literate people it could be an illiterate Jew trying as best to stop Jews getting blamed for stuff or it could be an illiterate

trying to blame the Jews for everything either way they both fucked it yeah yeah so we don't know if he's blamed the Jews or it's saying

everyone blames the Jews it's not us yeah exactly and it was a bit of her shawl or something was found near it was a bit of yeah a bit of shawl

with some blood on it but what they do is the police find the graffiti and they go if people wake up and see this there's gonna be

a fucking pogrom they're going to kick off because there's a lot of anti-Jewish sentiment there anyway because it's a period in history yeah so let's happen because it's happened and everyone's alive um so they decide to clean the they they don't even take a photo of it they just we all we know is that they write it down yeah spell jews wrong they spell jews wrong i mean they're completely everyone's thick as well at this point um they clean it they clean it off um but that is that's potentially evidence yeah so they don't know what they could have analyzed handwriting and stuff so There's been recreations of it, but there's no...

I mean, Jack the Ripper could be, like, a sort of anti-Israel, like, protest murders. Yeah. If he wrote that. But he's writing like he's an LBC caller. Yeah, well, again, that's not exactly my point. This is someone who calls him to James O'Brien. No, I'm not being funny, right? I'm not being funny.

No, but the Jews will not be blamed for nothing, but the Jews do... The Jews are not being blamed for nothing. The James are not... It's like a Cornish farmer calling in James O'Brien. Yeah, yeah. But no way that, yes, yeah, there are the Jews are in tomorrow. Do you know what he mean? No, I don't know what you mean.

No, I don't know what you mean, actually. Your Jews will not be blamed for nothing. Sort your grammar out, Johnny from Cornwall. That's what James O'Brien did in a sort of slightly smug away. Right. You're an idiot. So you're saying the Jews will not... So let me get this right.

What you're saying is, and have you read the Fisheries Act of 1988? No, I didn't think so, you fucking idiot. So I love about James O'Brien, especially... I mean, he'll get stupid callers, obviously, but it's funny when he's, like, testing them on, like, really intense... detail. Have you read the... No, I didn't think so. Maybe call back.

You're a little bit of reading, actually. And can we get the Dear Hell letter up now? So that's what happens after this. So there's another letter... The letters are being sent in by anyone who's... Yeah, but these are the two big ones. They're all been proved as hoax, pretty much. But this is the start of fucking LBC, isn't it?

It's people writing into papers about stuff they don't have to think about. Modern life is not that different to... No. So, what's the From Hell letter, then? So the From Hell letter also knows the Listerner. was a letter sent with half of a preserved human kidney to George Loss, the chairman of the Whitechapal of the vigilante community. The author of this letter claimed to be an unidentified serial killer,

no, Jack the Ripper, who had murdered a mutilator at least four women. So this is, yeah, between the double murders is the dear hell. So this is in October. And the from hell letter. All right. So let's read the letter. From hell. Mr. Luck, sore.

I send you half the kidney. I took from... We've got to do it in accent. So it's from hell. Mr. Lusk, sore. I'll send you half the kidney. I took from one woman. preserved it for you

tougher piece our Friday it was Ferranes Fereniers I may send you the bloody niff that took it out

if you're only what a weird wonga So Signed Catch me when you can Mr Lisk Yeah

So From L Yeah I mean that could be One of the police officers It sounds like It does sound like

The guy who wrote the graffiti though Yeah PC thick It does sound like The guy Wrote the Sorry

Now that was actually Brilliant Can we read The Dear Boss letter now quite long this one yeah dear boss i'll keep on here and the police have caught me but they won't fix me just yet i have laugh when they look so clever and talk about being on the right track that joke about leather apron gave me real fits i am down on hauls and i shan't quit ripping them till i get buckled grand work the last job was i gave the lady no time to

squeal how can they catch me now i love my work i want to start again you'll soon hear of me with my funny little games i'll save some of the proper red stuff in a ginger beer bottle over the last job to write with it, but went thick like glue and I can't use it. Red ink is fit enough, I hope. Ha ha ha ha. The next job I do, I shall clip the ladies' ears off and send to the police officers just for jolly, wouldn't you? Keep this letter back till I do a bit more work, then give it a cut straight. My knife's so nice and sharp, I want to get to work right away if I'll get the chance. Good luck. Yours truly, Jack a Ripper. Right, so these are clearly written by two different people, right?

Because there's a slightly different. Like, the person afterwards is... Don't mind me giving the trade name. B.S. wasn't good enough to post this before I got all the red ink off my hands. Curse it. No luck yet. They say I'm a doctor now. Yeah. Well, it's just one of our YouTube comments, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, this is essentially the first comment, isn't it? It's the first internet comment. Makes absolutely no sense. The From Hell Letter was written in human blood, by the way.

Well, was it? Yeah. But this one was in red ink. Right, I see. Did he then clip the next victim? Well, that's interesting. The next victim did have clipped ears. So does that mean that this is genuinely? No, because a lot of them, it's like, there's a one piece of evidence that's It's like, oh, it's definitely him. And then, I don't know. It's just, I don't think this is him.

Or at least the Ripperologists think they're both press hoaxes. Right. And maybe Ripper Reddit. And he was clipping a lot of the body. But this is the birth of Reddit. Yeah. It's the birth of subculture of like the whole internet sleuthing. Yeah.

This is the first, this is the most annoying people in the world getting fascinated and trying to, I'll solve it. But also saying that the ears are going to be clipped, her whole body's child. to pieces. She's clapped. Yeah. She's fucking clapped.

Yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure he is work. A stop clock is right twice a day. And one of these court, oh, I'm going to cut her ass out. Yeah. She's got no ass. The guy's cut her to shit.

Doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean you predicted it. And then the From Hell letter, remember there was just the right kidney missing from the fourth murder and he sent her right kidney. So he said he fried the other half and ate it and he sent him half a kidney. Yeah. But I, to be honest, I couldn't identify half a kidney. I couldn't tell you if it's right or left

Right I couldn't But I mean They've got people who can If you're not doing it No you're right Thank God There are people who can do that

Right fine I'm just saying I'd be absolutely useless In this investigation I wouldn't know what to do I'm that guy stepping over the dead body Because he thinks it's his wife

That's me Probably my wife Mary Jane Kelly Yes The fifth canonical victim who's probably got the most interesting backstory Mary Jane Kelly

I mean not a lot's alone about I mean her front story is fucking horrific Look at that picture I'd say she's got very little front story Her backstory Her backstory seems to be fairly intact Her front is absolutely fucked Her front is absolutely fucked

So this is the only crime scene He got the better of you that night One nil jack Yeah Charlie let's get rid of that photo There's a lot going on there Oh fucking hell wait Is he shagged him?

Yes he did Does he we don't know that Yeah there's a sign of sexual assault. No. Well, there's sexual assault and there's, I mean,

it's all sexual assault, but I don't know when he shaddened them, but there is come in the scene and stuff. Well, he could have come on it. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, I wouldn't call him a prude when it comes to rape. Okay, fine, yeah, yeah. Like, he's not a good guy. I'm not trying to defend him.

So the interesting story about Mary Jane Kelly is that she might have been like a high society prostitute as well and or like been a lady at some point of like, obviously not a lady.

but she was like she's lived quite a life basically and was quite charismatic and loved in the area the most attractive of the lot apparently and a real character right okay yeah now she was found off Dorset Street in this Miller's Court Dorset Street was the most violent street in London apparently if you walked down Dorset Street and you weren't a local

you would have been you would have been beaten up mugged and probably killed. Right. It's one of those brutal streets in London and she was staying actually what was known as the worst room in London.

Right. Individual room, obviously sleeping on a rope's worse than this. It sounds like you're getting ready to blame her for her demise. On the most violent street, sleeping in the worst room. It was known as the worst room in London

on the bottom floor. And there's basically she was last heard singing because I guess it's the east end of London so you didn't have... Everyone's singing. Yeah, you don't really have TikTok. So,

She'd come back from the pub and she was in her room and the neighbours heard her doing sing-song. Fucking out. For like until like 1.30. She'd love singing. So that's like you being in bed on your phone. Yeah. I mean, you have nothing else to do.

She's just like, oh, la-la-la-la-la. Because if you're in bed, if you've got nothing to you probably would just start going, and they're not going to do to sea and I say, I don't want to be. God, so crap, isn't it? It's rubbish. Yeah.

The singing stops at 1-30. She probably would have felt this at an absolute relief. The singing stopped to 1-30, right? And I guess the reason why this is by far the most thorough I'd say Jack the Ripper was robust in this case Because this is the only one done indoors Oh right So he knew he wasn't going to be disturbed

Okay So should we talk about what happened to Do you want to read what happened to her? Sure Extensively mutilated and disemboweled body of Mary Jane Kelly Discovered lying on the bed In the single room where she lived As we've said, bad room

her face had quote been hacked beyond all recognition her throat severed down to the spine abdomen almost emptied of its organs uterus kidneys one breast he's not all he's not a monster her uterus kidneys and one breast had been placed beneath her head and her other viscera from her body placed beside her foot about the bed and sections of her abdomen and thighs upon a bedside table the heart was was missing from the crime scene. So he took that as... He took that. So, yeah, fairly comprehensive. A robust dismissal of Mary Jane Kelly. This is Germany 7-1, Brazil. Yeah, this is getting uploaded to Pornhub as a Brazilian team getting fucked by a German.

She's absolutely been... She's been destroyed here. Completely done in. And then there's his handprints on the wall, I think. In blood. In blood and stuff like that. But obviously they don't check that. this is also the only

crime scene photo of Jack the Ripper it was the first crime scene photo ever taken is it yeah this is the first time they were done it's kind of birth

of all that stuff because they're sort of thinking we're four nil down here we've got to try and change our tactics the police are thinking why don't we take a photo of them as it's just happened

yeah yeah as opposed to dragging them to a morgue putting a hat on them cleaning them up putting them a hat on them and then making it look like my father-in-law on Christmas Day yeah

so we will talk There's a really interesting suspect that comes out from this, but we'll talk about that in the Suspects episode next week. So the next episode is going to be on the suspects of Jack the Ripper. That episode is already on the Patreon. And if you're Jack the Ripper listening to this, please message in. Yep.

We'd love to have a chat. Yep. Let's bring you in from the cards. I think it's time that you turn yourself in. Yeah, it's been long enough. I know, I know who you are. Yeah. And all I'll say is, Kanichiwa.

I know where you are And all I can say is Elor dear Elor dear Ere breda Yeah We'll text M dot in the break And get him in for

Get him in To translate With Jack the Ripper With real Jack da Ripper Maybe it's Jack the rapper Maybe it's Jack the Rapper Maybe it's Jack the Rapper Anyway that's on the Patreon

3 pounds a month You get access to it Every series early And you get a bonus episode But either way, thank you so much. We're going to talk about who we think it is and who the suspects are next week. We'll be ruling some people out as well.

Yeah, anyway. Thanks for watching, and we will catch you next time.