Fin vs History - In Space No One Can Hear You Sieg Heil | The Space Race (Part 1)

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

As the 2nd World War drew to a close, the Nazis’ rocket programme would form the basis of Man’s quest to conquer space. But why is this always framed as a race between the USA and the USSR, when Hitler got there first? The show for people who like history but don't care what actually happened.  For weekly bonus episodes, ad-free listening and early access to series, become a Truther and sign up to the Patreon ⁠patreon.com/fintaylor CHAPTERS: 00:00 - The Sauna of Nazi Science  06:55 - Rocket Botherer  10:25 - Hitler on Drums  14:12 - Cool/Nasty 22:40 - Operations Paper Clip  28:14 - Soviet Strap on  32:09 - Sputnik 1   36:47 - RIP Laika  43:10 - Make Mars Our Bin  49:01 - The Overview Effect  54:40 - Micropenis Learning Support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome back to Finn versus history I'm with the race show Gould So infinity anti-Borlion Today we're going to space Shit We're in space Wow Oh by another one

Wow It's bourgeois in space This is the history of the space race And the moon landing Yes I get quite melancholy about this topic actually Why? Because it's sort of the last time,

it's annoying that it wasn't the start of like a whole new era of history. It's kind of like as good as it got in some ways. Sort of. Yeah. It feels like, it's the most jealous I was to not been alive during, I'm jealous that the Americans did it.

You know, it feels like that. I look back on that at the most as if I wish I was there. But also it's the last sort of time of genuine awe, isn't it? The last time anyone had any awe for anything. Yeah, exactly.

Like now it's bourgeois with a GoPro. And it's like that, Doing it for views and quick. I know. Yeah. He should be up there going, I mean, because he's left himself no room in the emotional scale, has he?

Right. If he's going, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ha. At a fucking, you know, like an S class trained in the 80s, you stick him in a pot up there and you see like the view of the earth weather. What's you going to do?

Just melt. He's not bothered. But the most exciting thing about this topic is that we, uh, it begins in the sauna of Nazi science. I could not believe doing research for this. How much the Nazis have a role in this?

The Nazis arguably win the space for. It's absolutely extraordinary. Really, when we talk about the space race, it's the race for second place, because Hitler did it in Finn 44, and no one talks about it. No one talks about the space Nazis. No.

Some people do. The space right. To be fair, my hairdresser, who's like, who was into QAnon in 2013. Right. So like proper. Yeah, yeah.

Die in the world. Yeah, exactly. He was talking about Nazi space race. Right. So there was guys before, you know, who were really into it. My hairdresser. Yeah.

Who was bald, which I think is a red flag. It's like, dentists with no teeth. Yes, that is weird. Bald hairdresser. Now, yes, the Nazis, the sauna of Nazi science,

fuck me, it's hot in here, but I like it. It's good. It cleanss me out. There's health benefits me out. How long should I stay in here? It's fucking hot in here, but I'm enjoying it.

That's Nazi science. Cold plunge of leaving Nazi science. And then run back in. Run back in, quickly. I want to stay in for half an hour. The cold plunge of recycling and listening. No, the cold plunge of medieval history. Back to the sauna of Nazi science.

Me and the boys were the towels on just talking about ideas. Now, um... Starting a dialogue. The... We're in the Cold War, really. Um, but really this starts in World War II. Uh, and our next episode we'll be dealing with the moon landings and manned space flight.

But really, the story starts with a man named Vernavon Brown. The big star. The star of, uh, of, of, of Nazi science. I mean, I don't know what, they should make a film about this guy. Really? Yeah. It's a fascinating... Well, it feels like they're quite squeamish about the whole thing. Fair enough.

But I'm not. I don't know why we're not shouting more about the fact the Nazis went to space. They won the race. You know, they are Usain Bolt and everyone else. I mean, in terms of their racial theory, they won. Yeah, they won. They won. They won the race.

They did it. And Hitler would have landed on the moon much earlier had the Allies not defeated it. The what ifs in this scenario Imagine the first words on the moon That's the man's first As he lands on the moon Beautiful words

Beamed across the world So there starts with The German The German sort of naughty weapons Right They were by far the most ahead In rocket science Yeah so this guy

Vernon von Brown He's a real rocket botherer But before rocket bothering was even a thing? Is he one of the... So his dissertation at university gets classified by the German army. Because they're like, hang on. Hang on, this is, yeah.

This specky counts onto something here. So that only gets released in 1960, but he's all about liquid-fueled rockets. And the reason the Germans are so obsessed with rockets is that in the Treaty of Versailles, they were forbidden from building a lot of different types of weaponry. army, but no mention of rockets because I guess they weren't really a thing in

1980. So they go hellful leather on rockets from quite early on in the Nazi regime. But then I think around 1940 to 43 things are going bad for a friend of the pod Adolf and his boys the stagd

the long time listener the long time listener the stag do is starting to come unstuck. Yes. They haven't been to bed for three years and the light streaming through the and they're thinking, oh, fuck, what's Ava gonna think? We're in Russia, we've made a real pig's ear of it.

Now, they start coming up with these sort of wonder weapons as a way to try and turn the tide of the fight. The first one is called the V-1, which is known of the doodle bug. And this is sort of like an early drone, basically. And this is the first kind of idea of a modern rocket or like the drawing of a missile is weird imagine it. Yeah, missiles aren't the thing.

There's artillery and stuff like that. There's shells. Yeah. But the actual missile doesn't exist. Until at this point, they've just been getting bigger and bigger and bigger cannons. Yes. That's what they... Actually, I heard this morning that there were four weapons in total in the V program,

the vengeance weapons. V1, V2, which is the main one in this series V2, but there was a V3 that was a huge cannon from France pointed at London. Oh, right. Basically just the biggest cannon you can imagine to just fire a ball at London and obliterate it. Now, the V1 was called the doodle bug. That would, like, buzz in the air, and then its engines would...

You have to sort of catapult it from like a little runway. Okay. If you can hear a drill, people are drilling downstairs. We've got Nazis working on the V4. Yeah, we are doing a space program ourselves, this podcast.

We want to go back to the moon and plant a swastika on the lunar surface as it should... That should be the first flag on the moon. He's not having any of it. He's not having any of it, but they won the race.

Now, we'll get to the race for second place. There's really much innuendo there. We want to go to the moon and plant a swastika. I believe in earnest speech. We went on Chris Williamson's podcast. We talked about the problem with ironic speech. Yeah, it's true.

When we were brought on modern wisdom as experts. Yeah, hilarious. It was great. It was great going on that podcast. But Chris earnestly asked us about history. You do know, we don't know anything. It turns out compared to him, we know quite a lot. You've never heard of Clementally.

I had no idea who he was. Anyway, I suppose him hosting a podcast called Modern Wisdom is the exact same as us holding a history podcast, isn't it? It's just that we're joking and he's not. Yeah, he's Wisdom fan TV. He is. Yeah, philosophy fan TV. Anyway, yeah, join the patron to help us fund putting a swastika on the moon. What was I?

The German start, invent a rocket called the V2. This is the key one. The V1 was a doodle bug that was kind of a drone. And what, oh, sorry, Charlie, can you get a photo up of the V2? launch pad. It was like a little missile with wings and they sort of basically pull it back like a big

catapole on a sort of little conveyor belt and it would shoot up in the air and it would have a little jet on a little propeller on it and you would hear it above London and you'd hear this kind of like which is what it was called doodle bug and then the engine would cut out

and then you'd know that you were fucked if you heard it cut out was it deadly if you were yeah way worse than a V2 so it's basically the idea of a cannonball that can fly that's kind of what's new is they're getting

bombs that have their own flight paths sort of but you couldn't control it necessarily but it had wings had an engine and it had a jet and it had a jet propeller in it

right that was like an accelerant anything like that had been done yeah yeah it had a range of about 200 miles so the Germans

I think they stationed them around kind of Holland and they just try and lob them at the UK and they do cause a lot of damage I think maybe 10,000 maybe 6,000 people

die in in the UK and so a lot of blitz bombs were V1 and once? No, this is after the Blitz. Oh, right. After the Blitz.

This is, so this is when Hitler's basically backed into a corner. The rhythm, the rhythm is quickening. Big man up top. Yeah, exactly. It's getting exciting. Mad stodges happening. Yeah. It's like that scene in whiplash.

Hitler's on the drums. Just press all the buttons, fire the rockets. He's backed into a corner. You know, he's losing 10 minutes to go, right, get big man up top. V2, bang. Now the V2. Goal keeper up for the corner. Keeps up for the corner.

That's what this is. The V2 rocket is Schmichael going up for the corner for the end of the championship league final. So the V2, which is the main weapon in this story, the V stands for vengeance because Hitler's annoyed. You know, you don't back Adolf into a corner. These, they're like 47 feet tall. It's very much, are we the baddies sort of energy.

The vengeance rocket. It looks fucking cool, to be fair. uh this is the first ever sort of ballistic missile uh 47 foot tall and it traveled so fast that you wouldn't hear it coming wow yeah that's the classic that's still that the our concept of a missile right yeah like a rocket based on the v2 the rocket so this a child's idea of a rocket yeah um and this is the thing that on its first successful flight uh left the earth's atmosphere and entered space about 65 miles up into the sky.

So is this the first flag in space, or there's so many milestones that we're going to cover in this whole race, and it's between the USSR and the USA, but the first real milestone is the Nazis, yeah, yeah. Which is the first object fired from Earth. The first man-made object into space, Nazis, right. Okay, right, so that's the beginning. Gold medal off the top. The Nazis start everything.

And it's all because this guy, Vernavon Brown, right? who is obsessed with rockets. Rocket botherer. He's a rocket botherer. And he is a member of the Nazi party as well in 1937. And then he's a member of the SS. But he, in his defense, he would say he's doing all this because he needs to be inside the tent to let so that they let him play with his rockets. And the United States have had to accept that because he's so fucking good at making rockets.

Yeah, they really like rockets as well. So they're like, fine. Fine. Sure. And now when we get into how they make this, which we'll do that now, actually. A blind eye has never been turned as hard as this. Yeah. This might be the hardest blind eye ever turned.

Yeah. Yeah. The blindest eye. Yeah. Because the way that they make the V2s is, and this is so excited. I didn't know this. It's so exciting. This Giving Tuesday, Cam H is counting on your support.

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It sounds like one of Hitler's girls in Brazil. Pina Munda, get us a coat. No, Pina Munda is a Baltic sea base in the north of Germany. And that's where all the researchers happening and they're building V2s. But the Allies spot this. There's an Operation Crospo, I think, which is where they're preparing for Operation Overlord D-Day. And they're basically going to bomb. all these sites to try and knock

out all these sort of mega weapons that Hitler's built. And does that work? Yeah. So they bomb Pina Munda in 43 and so they then have to move the production of the V2s into central Germany. So they then get 20,000 concentration camp inmates

from around Buchenwald and they get them to burrow into a mountain in the middle of, it's called Nordhausen in the middle of Germany and they build a fucking Blofeld underground rocket lair it's as evil as it get it is so fucking cool and nasty but it's like James it's like proper James Bond stuff it's cool it's cool concentration camp slaves to build

an underground layer yeah yeah okay fucking cool no forget the slave labor look you've got you've got an iPhone you think that's cool look it's everything great in this world has been built by slaves the pyramids iPhones the trainers you were wearing when you came Anyway, it's an underground fucking bond villain lair where they store the V2s. So this is a big thing in whether Von Braun, how complicit Von Braun was, right? He definitely knew about the 20,000 Jewish starved slaves. They weren't all Jewish. Were they not?

No, a lot of Eastern Europeans. Right. So it was prisoners of war as well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, it wasn't a picnic for these fellas, right? And they were being worked to death. Okay. So they just...

When I work in two? When do I go? Oh, right, fine. You clock in... When did you get off? When I die. When I die. Yeah.

But to be fair, I mean, this is... They do this from 43... To be fair. Interesting. To be fair that, you know, we have a long-running go at the government for its failure to get infrastructure done. We did talk about this. It's the real problem with HS2.

Human rights. It's human rights. Yes, exactly. It kind of genuinely is. Everyone's like, we used to build stuff. We used to... Yeah. Well, yeah.

That's because we didn't really care. people died. You throw people at a mountain and they will build an underground rocket there. So Vernan von Braun is based here and so he definitely, definitely knows that there are 20,000 slave labels. Are they not

coming from the nearby concentration camp? Yeah. Right? Middlebow, Dora. Yeah. Which in the research says was infamous for its brutal conditions. But it's a concentration camp. So I don't know what, infamous in what sense, is it compared to other

camps. Oh, you know, Treblinka, they're out of the red carpet, mate. Fucking hell. It's not infamous for brutal.

It's a concentration camp. What are they doing? Yeah, what was the, Charlie, can you Google, what was the nicest concentration? Of all the concentration camp,

chat TBT. Chat TBT. Oh, no, they'll probably go woke cross. Be all funny about it. The least horrible. Yeah, frame it like that.

Like the kind of, because that's the fat camp ones. That was a security prison style. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Good behavior. Where'd you get put to it? And maybe they didn't every other concept of good behavior,

did they? oh come on AI overview quote it's not possible to describe any Nazi concentration camp as not horrible I reckon they were all quite horrible yeah obviously they're all horrible we're a concentration camp but what's the best one to be in

it probably is this one you know well they said this is infamous yeah so I don't know if it if there's something about it that's but at least you're building that stands out in the worst place to be ever at least you're building something that will get us to the moon I mean you don't know that

but in other camps they're just digging your own grey you're a big man for silver linings that's that's what listen let's chalk this one up in the pros okay cons holocaust allegedly bad pros the silver linings playbook big shiny rocking yes that's my version of silver linens playbook it's me and jennifer laurence and i'm just explaining to her how actually the nazi gots to the moon so let's not rush to judgment jennifer also your fucking mentor i don't think i want to see you again that's what i would do Um, anyway, so 7,000 people across the, um, across the war are killed by V2s, but many more thousands die actually making them in the, in the slave labor mountain camp. So not the most efficient death machine? Well, yeah, it's just as death on the input as well as the output. Right, right.

Um, so... It's not an effective missile, basically. No. It's not an efficient missile, but the technology is the beginning of... But it's absolutely, it's terrifying because there's, there's, there's... They comes fast in the speed of sound, and it's not like you see planes or hear them coming. So you're just not,

I think the first one that ever lands is in Chiswick, people are just going about their day, and then just the next second, there's a 20-foot crater where six houses used to be. The first one in London. I think the first one might be in Belgium or Holland. Right, right. The first one lands in London in Chiswick,

and they're aiming for Charing Cross. Right. So they can't aim for shit. No. But London's such a big area that they always, they hit a lot of stuff. Well, I mean, this photo is amazing. This is from a V2 launch in Peter

under just the look at that rocket and the design that in the 40s it doesn't look 40s no it looks like a 15 years ahead of its time yeah at least and so verna von brown he he is a he's a he's a he's in the SS at one point he uh he goes he gets drunk and he goes to like all the the boys and he's like we're losing this war it's so I don't know why they're making us concentrate on the fucking uh on this missile it's not going to work I want to get into space and then he basically is going to be court martial and shot and then Himmler into vines and goes he's really important and hit because Hitler loved the idea of the big missile yeah maybe because he had a micro penis i did watch i watched the documentary and they split it

into two parts and so the micropinus stuff they're saving for the second part which is very frustrating you're like you're watching a football team play come on come on come on yeah i'm like my dad watching the rugby come on come come come get to the microphone ah fuck god fucking idiots and then when they had this propensity for ADHD i'm like oh come on man We know this. He was busy. I did find it astonishing. Honestly, Saturday night, me and my wife stayed in to watch it.

Event TV. First time we've watched linear TV. Sorry, we can't make it out tonight. Babies, do you put the kids to bed, hit the microphone stocks on. But it presented very strangely. How do you mean? It's in like, they're saying he's got ADHD and he's in the top 1% for predisposition to autism. And then they keep saying like, but this doesn't excuse his actions.

And you're like, why are you telling us this then? Because it can't help but make you think, oh, right, well, you love trains, I guess, yeah, and big numbers. I do think it's, yeah, I do think on a more genuine note, it's kind of ridiculous to keep bringing these things up because it equates them as if it's some sort of... The ADHD is completely irrelevant, I feel. Yeah, it's like what he famously got a lot done in a short period of time. Like, so that's irrelevant. But also what are you making that he's the point you're making? Hitt had ADHD and autism.

Oh, okay. That's why he did all the cost. I get it now. Anyway, Vernon Brown wants to go to space and he is saved from court-martial by Himmler and Hitler, who intervene and say, no, don't court-martial him because he's our main rocket-botherer. Wait, why is he called Marshall? Because he's being anti-missal. He's being defeatist. And he's saying that, and Himmler or whoever is saying, you're actually trying to get to space when really you need to be developing this technology to fire long-range missiles. The only suspicions I have about all of this is this is definitely could be part of American propaganda, right? Don't you think? They want to sell Vaughan Brown as un-Nazi as possible. Oh, I see what you mean.

That's why I'm a little confused about how much reprisen this is coming through. Yes. It's completely within their interest because it's so embarrassing that the Nazis. I think they've got, but they've got paperwork. Right, right. I think. I mean, I don't know that, but I give the guy the benefit of the day. He got us to space.

And by us, I mean, the human race, not the Nazis. Yeah. But they did win the race. Now, at the end of the war, tragedy. the Nazis lose but straight to way the Cold War starts in that the Americans

and the Soviets are then battling for the best of Nazi talent they know that the Germans are way ahead of either of them in all this technology

and the US have this big night night bomb night night but they think Christ if we could get that on one of von Brown's naughty rockets

we are golden we can tell everyone to go to bed straight away Operation paper clip right the American said earmark basically all of the...

Which is not the Microsoft paper clip. No, it's not. Although I would like a Nazi paper clip to just pop up and give me tips. And something throughout, which also happened with East Germany and West Germany, is communist Russia

because there was actually a much deeper hatred of the Nazis because of how much more close quarters the fighting was. The denazification processed in the East was far more thorough than in the West. The West was a lot more open

to like, if you're good, you're good. but the east it was really like it was a much tough and that's kind of what ended up happening with the space program as well what you think what the Soviets just took Nazis no no the West was far more better at turning a blind eye I see well forgive and forget

turn the other cheat now Operation Paper Glipp is where a lot of these scientists they surrendered to the Americans and as you say the Americans go it was a bad few years we've all done stuff we regret he's a scientist he's not a politician

it's a man of science apolitical. Yes, your stuff was built by slave labor but fucking, yeah. Anyway, so they take Vernan von Braun and his boffin mates to the America.

Now, the Soviets, they uncover a V2 factory and they see some, like, fragments and they have a guy as well called... Corolev. So the Soviets have a guy called Corolev,

who's like a once-in-generation rocket genius. He's their boy. And he starts, he takes a few of the Vernavon Brown's boffins. Because they have, they had a space program from 1921. Really?

Rocket program. So this is like Lenin, the end of Lenin, right? Right. So they have been investing in space. Let's go to space and share it all. Yeah. Brilliant. Space and missiles far more than the Americans.

Even though the, what's interesting is the Americans lead the nuclear program for Manhattan project. But missiles and space, they're actually very behind on. Well, part of the reason the Soviets put everything into nuclear. Part of the reason the Soviets pull ahead is that the American hydrogen, no, the Russians hydrogen bomb is so heavy. They need a bigger rocket to transport it. So the Americans were dealing with much smaller bombs. Anyway.

Should we go through key figures in Operation Paper Club? Yeah, let's get the Microsoft Paper Club up and just tell us, who are these, we've won the war, who are these Nazi scientists that we should take home? We've got Arthur Rudolph, who's a rocket engineer, investigate for war crimes, renounced as USA. He's the one that they do clamp down on. He's the one who's not apologetic at all.

No. He basically is like, I'll do it again. And it's like, you've got to go. It doesn't even get arrested. He just gets kicked out, right? He gets extradited at some point, yeah. You've got Rudolph Herman, who's an avid Nazi supporter. He directs the US.

But an expert in supersonic travel. Yeah, so it cancels each other out, basically. Helmut Walter, who's a specialized specialist in peroxide technology. These are all like key technology. So they're really entrenched in NASA. basically. Yeah, Kurt Heinrich becomes the first director

of NASA's Kendi Space Center and is described as an ardent Nazi. This is crazy. Yeah. They're not even disavowed their Nazi. A lot of them are doubling down. Kurt Heinrich, is it Debus? Debussy.

Debusy. Debusy. Kurt Heinrich de Bois. What's the vibe in like the canteen there with all the other, when you just got like 20 Nazis? Well, I guess the shared language is science, right?

Do you know what I mean? So I feel that no matter, differences. You do have... No, that's a basketball player. Kurt Heinrich de Bus. The Hurdibus was a committed Nazi party member

during the third right. Join the 33. And then... Yeah, early Nazi. So right at the beginning. He got on the train early. He joined us the same year as Hitler. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you sort of can't really deny that. So he's a founding member of the Nazi party. No. And NASA. Yeah. I mean, well, NASA is very close to Nazis, isn't it? NASA.

Nas, Nazi, nasty, Nazi. There you go. Yeah. Do you what I mean? It's true. Yeah. the Nazi. Oh, it all makes sense now. Oh, the Nazi Space Center. Yeah. Did he, did he revoke his views or something? Let's type that in. There was no record of him ever

publicly renouncing or apologising for his Nazi involvement. Yeah. No public statements of regret. So I guess he never, he never spoke. No comment. Right, no comment. Just no comment. Just no comment. Leave. Leave that. Yeah. Fair play. None of your fucking business. No, he's had, he's had, he's had, the top order has been absolutely shattered. Yeah. Just leave everything, I reckon. Yeah. See it out. Yeah. Yeah. So the Americans, Nick all these boys. Yeah. They put them up in Alabama, Huntsville.

But remember, America this whole time are trying their best to not use the Nazis as well. But they just can't. They're just so behind. Well, they're scholars. So like, but they're trying, a lot of the reason why it takes so long is that they're trying to wait as long as possible

to use von Brown who's ready to do it. Yeah. I got all the thing. Get me on the pitch, lads. And he's like, well, let's just see if our guys can do it and it keeps fucking up. Yeah. Yeah.

Let the Nazi do it. It's an under 12 team with Messi on the bench. And Messi's, like, get me on there. And they're like, no, they need to learn. Anyway, the Soviets, as you said, they've been doing this since the 20s. The early pioneers include Sergei Korolev,

who is the future mastermind of Sputnik. Now, he, during Stalin's Great Purge, had been banged up in a gulag. Yeah, classic. And with that, goes all kind of rocket knowledge. So when the USSR entered Germany in 45, they capture a lot of V2 factories and some of the engineers,

and they rebuild the German rockets as R1. which entered service in another 1950. Now, the R5, Pobeda, 1995, this is the first real Soviet strategic missile, which is capable of carrying a one megaton warhead. And they launched dogs on the test rockets. They're not going into space, I don't think. They're just firing dogs across the world.

Now, the R7, this is the big one. This is the rocket that is designed from 53 onwards can carry up to a six-ton nuclear warhead to America. care. Yeah. So from 53 onwards, the Americans are really like, they're like,

fuck, okay, we're falling behind here. This has got four strap-on boosters. Yeah. Also, they've gone nuclear cable. Charlie's woken up.

Yeah. Not your kind of strap-on boosters. A strap-on booster, is that a strap-on top of a strap-on? Yeah, is that for short people getting pegged? Yeah. Would you,

do you wear a strap-on boost? I do wear a strap-on-pe. It's like a car seat, booster. Yeah, there's a booster seat with a dildo in it, basically. It's a high chair with a dole.

Yeah, but for adults. For adults, yeah. Yeah, because you do see those things. What are those machines called with the, like, you have levers and you sit on a chair and it's got stirrups kind of things? What, the Pilates machines? Almost. Reforma Pilates, but there's a Dildo on it. All right, like a reformer.

Dildo machine. Can you buy them in the shop, but do you have to make your own? I don't know, Charlie. Can you buy them in the shop? Yeah, Argos. But, yeah, because rockets, I believe they have three-stage, like, boosters, don't they? Yeah. Who do?

The rockets. Oh, right. But the equipment would be you have a really, really big strap on, and then when you get tired, you make it slightly smaller. Yeah. And then you just go have your dick at the end, I think. And that's when you get to space. That's a way, I guess, to fuck a woman into space.

I don't really know what I'm saying. Yeah. Charlie? Not sure. I'm not sure either. Normally it's just analog. Just get the dildo and just like ram it in there, I guess. Old school, none of this woke bollocks.

I guess. Well, I'm just ram it in there, I guess. Yeah, you know, trends are temper. but class is permanent. Exactly. You know. Knees in the dirt with a dildo up your bum.

The Rolex of masturbation. It's timeless. It's timeless. Yeah. No matter what comes into fashion, ramming a dild up your ass aggressively will never go out of fashion.

You're right, actually. Class is permanent. On your knees in the dirt. Not this Apple Watch bollocks. You know. Not this remote control flying dildo shit. Roll your seat. leaves up like a real man.

And get a rolling pin up your bum. Put a fucking eat a plank of wood, bite down hard and show a rolling pin up your ass. Like a fucking classy bloke. You're right. So that's called the R7. That's when you bite down on a piece of wood and show a rolling pin up your ass.

Ars heaven. The ars heaven. Thank you. So the Soviets have gone nuclear in like 49 or 47, isn't it? They did their first nuclear test in the end of the 40s. So it's now really heating up the Cold War. But in the 50s, I didn't realize just how much the Soviets were dominating this.

Yeah, because, as you say, von Braun is constantly like, there's something about how von Brown was working for the army, and the American army, and the army weren't interested in space. They were interested in getting a fucking nuke over to Russia in a missile. But the Russians are thinking about space as well. Yeah. And it's also the generational genius of Korolev that's driving this as well. So October 1957, a modified R7 launches Sputnik 1 into Earth orbit.

This is the first thing to go into orbit. This is the first satellite, but it's literally a grapefruit that beeps. It's about that big. But this absolutely terrifies America. Yeah. Because it basically, it now feels like they can get a thing above America that could bomb down on them, basically. They think it's a lot more advanced than it actually is. Yeah.

The Americans then try and launch something. Now, is it after Sputnik that Von Braun has a go at his army boss and says, fucking get me on the pitch, mate? No, I think it might, I think someone else, they might try something before Von Brown, because that's where Flopnik. Oh, is it right? So they then try something after Sputnik, and it basically explodes three meters into the air or something.

And that's like very embarrassing. The press call it flopnik and fucknick. Yeah, it's the Atlas A. Yeah, so the Atlas A is the first. US ICBM and that WD40 was invented to keep Atlas from rusting without painting it. There you go. Fascinating. So one of the small winds America have is they got the first photos of Earth from space. Do you want it? Can we see those? Should we? We haven't placed this at all.

Right. What's the? Well, the moon landings in 1969. Yeah. Which is where we'll end up this story. So 1969 that is Is that after, so it's after Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band. It is, yes. And it's before maybe just the gig on the roof. Yeah, it is. You're just, just.

Let's see, let's see. That's 1970, I think. Let's see. So I think it's the end of the Beatles bookend. It's funny, have you see that. So that was 1966, Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band, and then gig on the roof, roof gig, Beatles. Oh, no.

Oh, no. No, it's not. You fucked it. It's July 69 is the moon landings, and the rooftop concert is January 69. Fuck. Well, it's funny when you watch the first of that, they're so high up. Yeah. And people are just sort of going, yeah.

It's an amazing view of London in that time. Just everyone is so British about it. But people are standing it like this trying to watch it. And the policeman trying to come up is so good. Yeah, it's great. So you try to place in this. I failed. My rocket fell into the sea.

Your rocket exploded. Oh, yeah. Your micro rocket is blown up. No. okay 1969 that is after the Dawes

debut album I think 67 yeah and it is before when does Jim Morrison kill himself it's before

revolving doors come in I think you're pulling that I don't I it's a big swing Oh, fuck off. 1899. We're fucking this.

Charlie, you have a go. We both fucked it. Charlie, you ever go. I swear. Wow, okay. No, I completely fucked that. 969. Go on Charlie, you placed this for us.

Well, that's the first time that you're before, your after has been... Yeah, no, I've completely shut out of this. 1969, that is before... Just whatever comes to you. Yeah, first thing off the dome. Lenny Henry lost his virginity.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Yeah, it is. He wouldn't have been 11. when he had sex. Well, you don't know. I don't think so. Okay.

I think we could make an academic judgment. I mean, it's hard to confirm. Okay, so it's before Lenny Henry lost his virginity. Do Lenny Henry Guardian article, I was molested? Just to see, I don't, we'd find out, you know, he'd be talking about it in like a two-page spread, if anything like that happened, right? Lenny, oh, dear, there is an article.

I wish someone had taught me how to defend myself. Well, that's racist. Okay, fine, fine, okay. So he's not lost his victim. of racism virginity he lost that I imagine and it is after Napoleon

yeah it's before Lenny Henry lost virginity and it's after Napoleon we can't get a tight one because we fucked it you have to go you go for it's like on a second serve you know you go soft on it is better than his last placement which I believe was his birthday and when they

found the crocodile so so yes The moon outings is after Napoleon, this before Lenny Henry lost his virginity. And now, Lenny Henry did not lose his virginity dressed as Napoleon.

No, we don't know. We don't know that. If you're listening, Lenny, write in, let us know. Hello, I'm Dorian Linsky. And I'm Ian Dunn. We're the hosts of origin story, the podcast about the history

that shapes our political discourse today. Our eighth season is all about the story of socialism from its earliest experiments to the present day. From Marx to Mao, Lenin to the Labour Party, Gramsci to Gorbachev,

We'll be exploring the people, the events and the ideas behind socialism and communism. So please join us as we journey through an idea that has changed the world. You can listen to us or watch us on video, on Spotify, your regular podcast app, or now on YouTube. Where on earth are we? Oh, yeah. So in 1955, there's been this thing at the UN called the International Geophysical Year, where they've all agreed to send something into space to, like, gather data on. the earth across

country everyone has said that the US have said that they're going to do it and the USAR but what Eisenhower is using this as a front for he wants to get a something that can spy on the Russians so Sputnik 2

launches a month later that's carrying Lyca the dog which is the first animal in orbit so the milestones we've got the V2 first man made object in space then we had the first satellite Sputnik 1 Sputnik 2 the first living thing fired in space dog that's not a it's not a woman it's not a ugly woman it's a it's a genuine dog

uh now the dog died from overheating because you've got to open a window if you leave a dog in a park car uh do that apply in space i think so yeah just a little just a little crack otherwise they well you know dogs die in hot cars yeah dogs also burn up on re-entry unless you open a little bit of a window so um what kind of breed what breed was like a o's just a mongrel part Husky but it wasn't admitted that she died until 2002 well they're so secretive

the whole time that's the part of the Soviets and part of the reason America was so terrified because they kept projecting more success on the Soviets because they would never talk about their failures

whereas the American program is televised it's public they're just saying everything but also I think Sputnik launches from Kazakhstan right

which is just quite nice to imagine a rocket my way wow wow wow wea as the rocket goes into the sky that's their Cape Canaveral is somewhere in.

Yeah, that's their Kennedy Space Center is Borat Space Center. Wow, wow, we, do not trick me, gypsy. Anyway, so after Sputnik 2, the US panic and conclude that they must have like a perfect ICBM capable of hitting them from anywhere. So they rush it through. So they rush it and they, Eisenhower insists on launching a non-military rocket, the Vanguard.

And on live TV, Vanguard explodes a few seconds after Lift-off, which is when all the next. names like flopnik and kaputnik and stay putnik yeah fucked it picnic whatever that all comes in and then this is this is pretty funny a soviet delegate offers the u.s quote assistance for underdeveloped nations see this is yeah any opportunity this is this is christchre's chrischev's u.ss is quite funny yeah because he's quite he likes to roast he likes a joke yeah he's a funny guy uh now 58 is when von brown is finally let off the bench yeah onto the pitch and he immediately we fucked it he ties it up right so he looks at he looks at right so he looks at

The launch is the Explorer 1, which, this is in 58, when Eisenhower... So, Nusser is born at this point. This is the great irony of the space race, not to get all of I've got news for you, but the USSR, a centrally controlled country, had competing rocket dwebes, pushing each other. Yeah, and they like spread the money across, you know, multiple factions and those factions hastes each other and kept undercutting each other.

Whereas the USA... had Eisenhower centralises. Yeah. So Eisenhower creates NASA in 58. He names it NASA because it sounds like Nazi and they're all Nazis. Yes, it's not NASA Hussein. Nazi Hussein. What, if England's opener was Nazi Hussein.

I mean, fair play. I'd back that in the ashes. No, you would. Nazi Hussein. And just imagine that follow-through of the cover track. Hitler bin Laden. Hitler bin Laden. And now I'm listening.

Top of the order, Nazi Usail and Hitler bin Laden. Anyway, Von Braun's team move into the Marshall Space Flight Center in 1960. But what was your having news for you thing? The irony, the USA centralised things and start to pull ahead, and the USSR... Competing divisions, yeah. Yeah, very droll.

Very droll, very not funny, very boring. Which will get you on have I got news for you. Have I got Nazis for you? Have I got Nazis for you? That's at this point. Oh, don't tempt me. Hat trick. I'll make it. I'll make it now.

Have I got Nazis for you? The answer is always yes. It would be fun to do a kind of Nazi top trumps. Yeah, definitely. We should release that as much. What would the rankings be? Hey? What would the rankings be?

Funny voice. Passion. Achievements. Yes. Yeah. If you want to be gay about it, then yes. Culability of Holocaust, brackets allegedly. Alleged crimes.

We should release. We should release Nazi Top Trumps. Christmas. It's probably too late. Anyway. Just sell the crackers. Sell the crackers first. And there's some other...

Yes, cracker, buy crackers. So you'll race this crackers first and then move on to Nazi top truck. I'll tell you what, in every pack of crackers, you enter a prize draw to win the first set of my Nazi top trumps cards. Anyway, let's talk about early moon probes. You probe your moon, don't you, Charlie? Charlie does probe his moon, I imagine. You know, apparently if you have sex with somebody with a moon cup, you can...

Your foreskin can be ripped off entirely. Excuse me? If you have sex with somebody You can be circumcised You can really lose a foreskin If it hits a moon cup During sex But what's wrong with the

Is it? Is this bloke's fucking Is it? Is this a bloke's fucking A mooncar up as awesome? No, I do know what a moon cup is No, no, it's not bloke fucking It's a man and woman Who told you this? A man who's done it to his foreskin

He fucked someone so hard His foreskin came off Yeah, because it collided With the Moon Cup Collided? I don't know if Because your dick collide with stuff Yeah

I don't think mine about it It was a high-speed collision I was having sex with my wife the day it was an absolute potter's bar of a collision

she was derailed wrapped around a lamp post my dick laid some flowers from my wife's purse tied some flowers

to my thighs terrible collision yeah I don't think my dick's ever collided with anything it's probed though it's definitely

my dick definitely proves it's cross-examined things it's like Joe Rogan it's intellectually curious and it will go down

most rabbit holes it'll have anyone on and it's had sex with Graham Hancock And to you honest, it's gullible. It'll believe anything. Oh, my dick will believe anything.

He'll believe anyone's attractive. I think most guys' dicks are Joe Rogan. Wow. Wow. Really? That's amazing. Really? You're amazing.

I love you. Anyway, so the USSR launches Lunar 1 in 1959, which misses the moon, but becomes the first object to escape Earth. So out of Earth's orbit. Right. Lunar 2. So the first bit of littering? Yes, the Russians litter. out there now? Uh, yeah, that's still out there. Yeah. Because I guess in space stuff doesn't, you know,

you can't, there's no rubbish. It doesn't, it's nothing. It's no recycling. It's just there. It's just that. But isn't that? I, I sort of think, I imagine you'll do anything's the same, that that's what we should do with rubbish. It's just fire into space. Of course. Just get rid. Get rid of it. Why don't we do that? Yeah, I don't know. Because it's so expensive to send up. It's not, I don't think it's worth littering. They put council tax on the, they've increased it on bin collection. It's getting to the point where I'm going to fucking von Brown this. shit. I'm going to build a rocket and fire it into space. Yeah. I don't think that they're being, I think

you could do, I think people would be up for doing that. It was just, it would cost too much to send up every load. Yeah. But it would be so satisfying, wouldn't it? If you saved all your rubbish and then every month had like a firework night where you just launched it into space. It'd be amazing. Or we get all the rubbish in the world and find a way

to crush it into the smallest cubes we possibly can. Or we just fire it to like China or something. You have, you have. You deal with it. Is it what we do? Is it what we do? Sort of, what, it's the great, we chuck it in the ocean, I guess. Well, there's the continent-sized pile of rubbish near, the Pacific. Yeah. But what do we do, where is the rubbish go that doesn't go there?

I don't know. Can you, Charlie, can you find out where rubbish goes? It's all in the sea. It's all in the sea. There's some like, um, landfills, obviously. Yeah, obviously, you just put it in the land. Because it'd be interesting to see if there's like an argument for saying, don't litter in space, even though it is nothing and it's forever.

And it's massive. Yeah, it's like, no, but it's, you know, you don't want to, you know, deface things. the landscape. Well, if Mars is inhospitable, then let's just make it our bin. That's what we did with Australia in the 19th century. Right. Send shit there.

I agree. Or we just make Australia the bin. Yeah. So the Russians start firing shit at the moon. They hit the moon with their probes. In 59, Luna 3 takes the first photos of the moon's far side. Right. So the dark side of the moon.

Okay. What's amazing about the entire topic actually is how quickly milestones are hit. Like it's a matter of. weeks and months. They're just constantly firing shit up there. Yeah. Constantly iterating. Now, the USA, the early pioneer missions mostly fail, except Pioneer 4, which is a partial lunar flyby success. Right. So they're still way behind.

Yeah. I guess this is the moment, now you're getting BBC News notifications and it's never good news. No. It's always fucking 200 people dead in Gaza, whatever, you know. It's constantly bad news, but this is the period where news notifications, to like positive in a way. Yeah. It's like we've, the first time

we've taken a picture of the moon, stuff like that. I was trying to, yeah, it's also the final frontier. I was trying to think what,

what have we done since? And it's, it's, this is really the long road to Felix Baumgartner. Yeah, but Baumgartner was the closest we came and that was like a red,

was that sponsored by Red Bull? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So by the end of the 50s, Russia is way ahead in the race. The Americans, I've got their Nazi boy

doing stuff. But have we had, have we had monkeys yet? When do monkeys come in? Do monkeys come in later? They're coming in later, I think. Okay. So we've had dogs in space.

Yeah. So they also sent up dogs that survived the Russians. So they then after Lyca send up to space and come back down. Which is a dog? So they did that with two different dogs. They sent it up and it came down and the dog was fine. So no one's taken a dog on the moon yet. No one's walked their dog on the moon.

No. No. But again, it feels like Neil deGrasse Tyson, the original black square he he says that really he was asked like why why have we not been back to the moon

and he's like well frankly the moon landings was really a theatre of the Cold War there's been no geopolitical like motivation to do it again so as soon as there becomes geopolitical motivation so China needs up their game

China or India or Brazil need to get on the moon But now it's the competition between Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, right? Yeah, it's Tesla versus Blue Orbit. Yeah. And I guess the new final frontier, because they're off frontiers still. It's to colonize Mars, right? Sorry.

When Katie Perry and the women go up, was that 50 years after the first dog and the first man? Was that what they're celebrating? Is that the first women in space? Is it the first group? There's got to be a first. I think that milestone was the first group of women. The first gaggle of hordes in space. The first gossipy women.

The first gossip in space is Blue Orbit. Yeah. Which is where you get five women. You take them straight from a nightclub toilet. So the first bottomless brunch in space. Yeah, that's Katie Perry. And we're just hitting these new masters. Yeah.

It does feel less glamorous now. Yeah. It's not really hitting those kind of the soaring spirit of humanity. Because what are they just saying? And they're just chatting about their dreams and shit in space. This is the first woman in space. What's her name, Charlie? Scroll up on that photo.

Valentina Tershek. But she ain't gossiping. This one ain't gossiped. This is who you want as a misuse. Yes. You want a decorated Russian female war veteran. She is going to pound your back to shit. That's what I want.

I don't want an allied soldier needing my knots. No, exactly. I want her with a rolling pin up my arm. You want a communist misuse, I think, personally. So what a Tesla and Blue War, but they're trying to do commercials, flights to space. But where's the, is their views to colonise Mars? Is that happening?

Well, it's in hospitable, isn't it? Yeah. Mars. No, but you could set up, there's still theories of setting up bases and stuff there. Well, this is the other thing. Von Brown, we haven't talked about this. Werner von Brown, he's still under the employment of the army before he gets moved to NASA. So he's trying to just to find army justification for the space rockets because they

won't move him to NASA because he's a Nazi. He then makes a design for a fucking US. army moon base complete with Claymore mines and like lasers and shit moon raker Bond moon raker he fucking makes a design for that to try and get the army to fund his space stuff right if you do an explosion on the moon would it is it all like slow-mo you know how you like yeah is it like is everything slow-mo uh on the moon something about it there's no gravity but like there so if you just like if you did like an explosion would it look like slow-mo would it slow all of the debris

would travel forever, right? Like if you shoot a gun in space, is it slow-mo? I don't know if it's slow-mo. I think it just travels forever. It doesn't look like that. Because there's no, there's nothing to slow it down. So it's just constant.

Is it slow-mo? There's no resistance. Yeah, so it'll just keep going. It would not appear in slow-mo. But it's a good question. In my head, I thought it was slow-mo as well. Yeah. Just because the way it's on those depictions in film.

Boor. Yeah. You wouldn't hear it? Oh, you would you? There's no air. Is it? Would it be louder. Can you hear your own breath?

Well, in space, no one can hear you scream. For people who know about science, this must be absolutely unbearable. Painful. It's really painful. Look, we're historians. We're not scientists. We claim to be scientists. We claim to be decorated.

If there's any science we're into, it's Nazi science, which is not about how much air there is in space. In space, no one can hear your blood! That's the name of the episode. Even like, what's pooing like on the moon? Is that in slow motion? It's fascinating question. I don't think it's slow-mo. Is anyone orgasmed on the moon?

Here we go, Charlie. Busting on the moon. Well, I guess Armstrong must be the first to, he must have done at least a P. That must be the most righteous wank though. Imagine like looking at Earth. I reckon one of the fellas. You're coming over literally everybody.

Everyone, you're wanking at everyone. You're violating every, you're flashing the world. You're basically me-toeing the entire world, wanking at the globe. Oh, wow. Yeah, you're watching the whole. Over everyone that's ever been.

Yeah. That's crazy. Dead or alive. And ever will be. That's like an overwhelming wank. That's in the biggest night. I think the post nut clarity. on that, it would be like...

The overview wank. Just the thoughts that would run through your head when reality rushes back in. Yeah. And also it must take ages because there's no resistance so there's no...

Yeah, but that's what it would feel even better because it's... Do you think? Yeah, if you don't wank for very long it doesn't... But I think it would be like an ayahuasca sort of third eye opening once you've busted.

Well, yeah. Third eye opening, if you haven't... That's what I call it. Ayahuanka. Iowanker ceremony. Next time. Uh... In our next episode.

man is in space which as we've said the Nazis did it first but the Russians have sent dogs are in space we're in space we're bothering about the long road to Katie Perry

Katie Perry starts here the long road to gossiping in a spacecraft but more importantly what about men when do men get onto the moon when do women annoy them so much on earth they have to go

fuck this I'm leaving not just you but I'm leaving orbit the ultimate man cave is on the moon that starts in the 60s and that's in our next episode which is already on our Patreon one of the biggest things to ever happen really

our patron the moonland this is history 101 this is like top five things ever right yeah whenever you listen to a history podcast in the intro they always have like a sound scape

Caesar one small step from out yeah moon landings so and they never say that it started with Hitler it's true give him his flowers

this is we accidentally as much as we like Don't, you know, we might not be the most research podcast. We do touch on things that a lot of history podcasts are scared to touch. Scared to touch. Racial science. Touching it. We've brought it back into the conversation.

I'm stroking it. I'm stroking racial science. I'm sat in a big chair. Ooh. Oh, that feels lovely. Oh, yeah. Oh. I'm massaging racial science.

This is when I sometimes do feel we are breaking new ground. when there's things that are too vulgar for most history podcasts to touch. Yeah. And we barrel in. Don't deny your history. Deny something else. Don't deny this bit of history.

Give it its full context. You know, the concentration camps were bad. They ended up putting a man on the moon. Well, NASA. There you go. NASA's a bit of a concentration camp, isn't it? Yeah. It's just concentrating.

Any workplaces. It's a positive concentration camp Yeah You've got to focus Let's knock our heads together And work this out Maybe actually that's what I should have said Is that why it's called a concentration camp

Because Hitler had ADHD I think so yeah I mean it is heartbreaking that we found out He's got ADHD because it's like It ruins it Well it just means like None of it was his fault And I can't imagine what it was going on with him

Yeah I know It just really makes you think Doesn't it? I mean to think this whole time And how awful rude people have been about Hitler. Yeah. And they didn't know

that the whole time he was suffering. He was autistic and he had a micropinus. Yeah. But I mean, more seriously, I don't think there's anything more serious

than ADHD. Yeah, you're right. It's one of the worst things that can happen to anyone. I mean, yeah, Hitler and Greg Wallace have got a lot in common. They've both got autism.

They're both blaming bad behaviour on autism. Autism and, you know, their dicks aren't normal. I was, I did learning support at school because I had dyspraxia, right?

So your dick was so, oh, sorry, no, nothing to do with that. Didn't mention that once. You brought that up. Micropated learning. No, that would make no sense because even if I did have a micropenus, which I don't, that wouldn't affect

how well I learned. Stay in school because my dick's small. Yeah, but it has no effect on how I process information. Well, yeah, you couldn't concentrate, you were just worrying out the small your dick was. Well, no, that wouldn't.

I wouldn't take up all my time. Yeah, because you go to the toilet and then you spend half an hour trying to find your day. Well, and then I have, to go to learning support. To catch up on the work you could have done when you were rummaging around your trousers to find your penis.

What? And then just give me positive reinforcement that my penis is not that small. I never did learning support. I never did it. But in these learning support centres you have pictures of people who have different learning difficulties

who are like inspirational. Right. So it would be like Albert Einstein had dyslexia. Yeah. So I think they should start having Hitler had ADHD. Yeah. These should be on the walls. This is what...

You can do it. You can power through. You can achieve. I mean, he is a testament to what you can achieve with the ADHD. Yes, he is. He really is.

Because you get a lot, you can get a lot done. Don't handcuff yourself with the identity of I've got ADHD. I can't do this. I can't do that. Just a label.

Yeah. Maybe what he did was bad, but you cannot deny he got a lot done. He powered through his, not all disabilities are visible. Hitler would be wearing that badge.

Yes. That's pretty funny. Anyway, I guess Lone Sports Center is a concentration camp as well. Yes, exactly. It is. The original concentration camp.

People have got ADHD. So anyway, in our next episode, we will deal with the moon landings, man on the moon, allegedly. That's already on the patron where for three pounds a month, you get instant access to the whole series. And we've got a whole pageant episode. We're going to go into the juicy theories, the conspiracy theories as to whether the moon landing actually happened. And also, what I should say in our next episode, as you've mentioned, we're touching on history, other people don't. This was actually, we're molesting history against its will. There were three countries in this race. It wasn't just the US and the US.

We will reveal all in our next episode. Thank you for stopping by and we'll see you next time for the moon landings on Finn versus history. Ooh!