Fin vs History - Instel (Involuntary Sterilised) | Charles Darwin & The Birth of Eugenics (Part 2)

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we'll see you guys there Welcome back to Finn versus history I'm here with Horatio Gould I like White bugs. And today, we are finally dipping our toes in the warm bath of scientific racism. Hot. Oh, it's lovely.

It's actually. Come in, come in, the water's lovely. This is the second part in our Darwin series. We rattled through the life of Charles Darwin, boring nerd, and now we're getting to the fun stuff, which is what people do with his ideas. It's the most vibe science got, really. just sort of free form. Just like, just guessing at shit.

Yeah. So 1882, Darwin's, it's a total football of racism for this. There's no set position. There's no rules. Well, there are rules. People can make their own rules. There's no wrong answers. Yeah.

How big is your head? All right, I'm going to pay you less. It's, you know, it's crazy stuff. So Darwin dies in 1882, but his ideas. Live on. Live on. And then they stop with, hard stop in 1950.

When people go, we must stop this. That's what I love about this, is that, you know, the science is so, they're so front-footed, let's try this. The future. Maybe it's what their nose is. What's the shape of their nose? Maybe it's the head.

Maybe they came out of an egg. Why are we all different colours? And then the 50s, they went, no more of this science. The science is over. Science is done. No more. But you can't be trusted to play around with these ideas. I know.

That's the thing. That's the thing. And so now it's this kind of untapped, it's this unfinished. Everyone's gone, nope, we don't want to know. whatever it is we don't want to know who cares we don't know you can't be trusted you went too far the germans took it too far again we're not doing it anymore i mean all the all the nazi stuff they stopped a lot of things that were just getting cooking yeah like um they just they just

arm bands can't have an arm band anymore if you're a politician you can't wear an armband can you no even if it's like a thumbs up yeah thumbs up no and it's like red red thumbs up no that looks like the nazis uh brown shirts can't really wear a brown shirt anymore even being yeah yeah he's a bit nazi is a bit nazi just turning up on time you're fucking nazi well you've ruined punctuality have you that mustache can't have a little massage yeah done that's gone that's gone it was chaplains first he was doing it i know but fucking no one i'm a chaplain fan yeah no one believes you you can't walk into a pub with that going oh is it oh is that a chaplain mustache is it i'm a cinephile so the nazis ruined many things chief amongst them

is the pseudoscience of scientific racism so in this episode we will be dealing with Darwinism social Darwinism which leads to eugenics which is it's all quite lighthearted fun stuff It's like a carry-on film

Yeah I will reiterate If you're of a weaker stomach Maybe skip this one And go watch the First Crusade or something One of his ones One of the medieval ones This is where I'm going to really start cooking.

So cooking on gas, you might say. Well. Well, we'll get there. We're warming up. So Darwin's ideas are not in a vacuum. Right. So Darwin publishes the origin of species

59, 1859, and then the dissent of man in 1771. He dies in 1882. The 1870s and 1880s are a hotbed of thought. It's a lot of after-dinner clubs. He's part of the Athenium club. They're all chatting away.

There's lots of... There's a frisson. There's white guys. chatting. Why are we so great? It's mainly the topic. We must get to the bottom. Why are we the best and why are all these brown guys the worst? What's going on? Right.

Why are we the best? So obviously this is the height of the British Empire. Yeah. The sort of the latter half of the 19th century, 1870, 1880s, the Scramble for Africa is coming. So 1880s, where are we? 1880s? So 1880s, I want to say

1880 is after the invention of the xylophone and then it's before the invention of the pen protector. Actually, you did the last one, didn't you? Yeah, but it's before the invention of the pen protector. The pen protector? You know, sorry, on your pocket.

Are you ever seen any... It's maybe the nerdyest thing you can have. Is it like when you get a lambie and they come in that little wallet? Sorry, not pepper. It's a pen pocket protector. So I've seen, you know, the writer of cherub. You know, the cherub series?

The horny books. No? About young secret agents fucking each other. No? For kids. and none of the parents. You know about the cherub series? You know about a cherished series,

you horny little dog. What's the cherub series? Well, this is all of our sexual awakenings was the Cherub Spy series about, you know, it's a classic... Some of us had their sexual awakenings to Red Bull by Brian Jacks.

Robert Muchmore is... These fucking hot shrews in the... Do you not know about that? Yeah, so it's like a school for spies, the classic, you know... Like Spy kids. But, yeah, kind of. But they're 14 years old,

and then he describes graphic sex scenes and you're 14, and none of our... parents knew that we were reading basically erotic thrillers. But it was written by this guy. He came to our school and he had a pocket here, not only pens in there, but there was a protector to protect his pocket from his pens. And I believe this is before then.

I'm just saying that in our last episode, we spent a lot of time looking at mugshots of paedophiles and I can sort of imagine this guy fitting in quite well. Exactly, yeah. All right, well, okay, there you go. More much more child porn on my hard drive. Gentleman's pens are not, their shirts are not protected. They don't have a condom for pens in their shirt. They're raw-dogging pens in their jacket.

Right. And they're presumably they're using ink cartridges. There's no biros at this point. I don't think the ink cartridge has been invented yet. Wow, there is it quills? It's not quills. Yeah. When was the ink cartridge?

Fountain pens are around. Oh, fountain pens? I don't know that. People are writing racist shit in fountain pens. Yeah, I guess there's industrialized. 1890 Just The cartridge system

Is 1890 But fountain pens are surely Already around You dip you're dipping in a pot of ink That's a quill No it's a fountain pen Yeah but that's still the dip They're not using ostrich feathers

Yeah but it's still the dip Sorry Dipping The cartridge is what I'm struggling with So people are writing these ideas Yeah In a fountain pen And they're thinking

If only there was an easier way To write this heinous racism Which And that does That comes quite quickly after this So, no, thank you. It is quite funny writing racism with a quill, though. I do think that there was a clear rank to racism globally.

Stop to dip. Stop to dip. Yeah, it gives it slightly more class, isn't it? Yeah, you get so passionate, and then you're running out of ink. Let's get this racism out of me. Well, this is when racists could write. They were literate. Right, right.

Nowadays, racists are obviously thick. Yes, yeah, uneducated. What I love about this era is that racists are the cleverest people on the planet. this is when like the genius he's got a 300 IQ he's fucking racist whereas now racism is a sign of stupidity and ignorance yeah yeah where it's it's the height of intelligence of enlightenment is to think that black people would came out of eggs or so like this what's so funny is that scholars you know are phrenologists are phrenologists they've got they're measuring skulls the thickest people you went to school with the phrenologist they don't even know the term phrenology that's how thick and racist they are so Darwin dies in 1882 but towards the tail end of his life his seminal work in 1859 on the origin of species and the preservation of races in the struggle of life now as we discussed he meant the races of cabbage

but his cousin Francis Galton he thinks he's like I get you you mean you mean races now this is not in a vacuum we should start to places with other ideas because white guys in Europe and a vacuum hasn't been invented at this point they don't know what the vacuum is all right fine so there's two things yeah so sorry his ideas are not

operating in a dustpan and brush that's what they'd understand it um no uh we should you know white guys in Europe have been pop thinking about why they're the best in their in their heads why are we so much more developed than these people who's all they're all we've

you know we've taken their land and their resources all this stuff why why can we just take people's stuff and they're not doing anything what's wrong with them right so you have uh there's several different theorists I mean now Malthus that's in the late

this French Revolution he's an English guy Thomas Malthus but this is less to do with race this is more about class Yes brilliant stuff He basically he writes an essay

In 1798 On the principle of population Basically he thinks That a nation's food production Will always The improvement will always be Temporary because it will lead to population growth

which will then the population will always be outstripping food production which means that people will always suffer and be hungry and so you should kill the poor I think the last one's quite a big jump I think because it was a he was a cleric right he was Christian

which is hilarious because it's so funny that he has Christian values basically saying we should starve the poor dirty other meek basically ugly are the meek stinky are the me that famous Jesus

Jesus saying but there's this example of I'm going to turn bread into, I'm going to turn a thousand fish and a thousand, not for you. He has this example of you're at a middle class dinner party and then some starving people come on over and ask for food. And as much as your human instinct is, to give the starving poor people food as charity. He says the higher charitable thing is to not give them food and hope they starve to death.

Well, that's what they say on the overground, isn't it? If you see someone begging, don't give them food. Instead, think about donating to this charity. It's Malthus. Yeah, it is, it's Malthusian. Yeah, but he says, he just misses out the donate to charity. Yeah, you think it's just start, make sure they starve. Yeah, make sure that if they're, you know, a dead poor person, you know, they're not sad, are they?

No, they're dead. Yeah. But this starts to be. You can't be hungry if you're dead. You're not hungry when you're dead. So, but this, this is kind of like, now, the English Victorians, they start to, you know, around the time of Jack the Ripper in the 1880s, they are massively. concerned with overpopulation

of the poor because they're reading Darwin's ideas about evolution and they're not really thinking about birds. Darwin's just thinking about birds and bugs, right? And people are taking his ideas and going, well, a lot of people are poor

and so if they're having loads of children then those children are going to be poor. He kind of looks like a giant tortoise. Yeah, he looks like a giant. Can we eat that poor person? But they start thinking that poor people are going to overwhelm the rich, and if it's a struggle for survival, if evolution is a struggle between species,

they basically think that poor people are different species to rich people. Well, you have white replacement theory, which is pretty popular in America mainstream. Now, the idea of white people being outbred, basically. You know, Tanya Carlson says stuff about white replacement. This sort of starts, but in more of a class sense,

in the 19th century in England. You also have some very wacky ideas. There's a guy called Cuvier, a French guy. Right. He says that Adam and Eve were white. Okay. Well, they are in all the drawings in my school books, to be fair. And all the drawings he was doing, they were white.

And that black and Chinese people came out basically because there was a disaster and then survivors escaped in different directions, and then they developed in separate in silos. Yeah. Or it's like Adam and Eve were just for the white people. That was our origin, man. Yeah, exactly. Right.

Benjamin Rush, who is a founding father of the US, which I think is relevant, he believed, that everyone is actually white but that black people have some kind of leprosy which means that it's non-contagious but means that underneath the black skin is a white person and he founded the US

which I think says quite a lot about what the US then go on to do is that he thinks that's what black people are so Benjamin Rush thinks all black people on the US are Justin Trudeau in his 20s yeah exactly

stop partying take that makeup off we've got work to do we've got work to yeah stop fucking around yeah so guys before you pick your cotton get that bloody shit off your face

put your makeup on put your makeup on then pick the cotton that's what we're doing so he found he's one of the founding fathers Thomas Jefferson big big race guy he he goes yeah Thomas Jefferson complicated

Tom Jefferson we'll get to Thomas Jefferson sometime he's got some amazing Yeah, he builds on the ideas of rush. Jefferson was the super horny one, right? I think he was having sex with his slaves. Yeah, but he had like 25 children

via like four or five different slave women and he only, he had like, he must have like 14 slave kids, right? Yeah. And he only set like two of them three. Right. The rest he was like, brilliant. Oh, more slaves.

It's like, I'm a good chicken. I'm making employees. Yeah, it is. Like a chicken. Well, great. I'll just, I'll eat those eggs. And then I'll, I'll leave those to hatch and I'll have more chickens.

Yeah. I mean, it's like when you're having dinner party and you've, you've picked a sprig of rosemary from your garden or something. You're bragging to your friends. I agree that. You see that guy picking the rosemary? Yeah. He's my kid.

Do I love him? Sort of. In a way. Yeah. I love the stuff he does for me. You know, I love my employees. I love what they give me. I'm a good boss.

Do I pay him? No, I don't know. I don't pay him. He's my son. I don't pay him. So Francis Goulton, we need to deal with. Francis Gorton is Darwin's first cousin. And Gorton cannot get the evolution as applied to people out of his head.

Darwin's basically been like, this is all about, mate, this is bugs, this is plants, this is mushrooms. Gorton's like, fuck all that. I reckon it's about why some people are Chinese and some people are white. So he basically is, as we mentioned in the last series, he's a Victorian polymath in many ways. a brilliant man but if you go on his Wikipedia the first thing they bring up is eugenics

not the fact that he made the first ever weather map what's the weather what does that mean he the first ever like clouds and shit right right right right like you're having a paper now where you've got pressure right right right and temperatures right he's Michael Fish right he's Victorian Michael Fish

you should stop reading weather maps now you know Thomas Schaffanacker the weather reporter oh yeah yeah the guy did that yeah yeah that's all you remember him for you don't remember about that weather map that's just like this cunt yeah everyone's like oh oh yeah but should we be boycotting the eugenics guy

no he invented the weather map but maybe we should chuck weather maps out of the paper because they're linked to racism they're not linked it's just the same guy he did a lot of things how many things have you done I guess not many podcasts stand up sketches

eugenics you know I don't want to remember for my treaties on the hierarchy of races exactly I've done other staff you've got a special out on YouTube now he's got a special on YouTube He's not just ranking races In that special I do rank races

But that's irrelevant Is a dog, what, you what? No, no, no, no. He didn't invent a dog whistle. Did he invent a dog whistle? No fucking way. Are you fucking joking? He invented the dog whistle

That's fucking crazy This is insane Sorry, the man who invented eugenics Invented the dog whistle But the sorry, can we just get a moment to appreciate it? Let's get that, Goulton's whistle. Sorry.

Can we, because the cosmic irony that eugenics, which is the least dog whistle racist thing of all time, because it's just like, yeah, let's kill, let's kill everyone who's not. Was it like an air horn? Eugenics is a racist air horn. A dog air horn. Leave that ball alone. Galton's whistle. Yeah, because he did a lot of stuff for deaf people. He made an instrument to measure hearing in deaf people.

So deaf people, he'd get his racism into their ears. yeah exactly yeah sorry it should be said all his inventions were to try and advance eugenics so the weather map

was like okay it's raining here so we shouldn't kill anyone there we can't set fire to anyone there because it's raining I mean is that

an exclusive pretty much that the inventor of eugenies invented the dog whistle you're not hearing that on the rest of history goal hanger

aren't touching this topic with a fucking barge pole did he invent the barge pole is it goldson's barge pole is it goldson's barge pole my God, that's absolutely insane. Because that can't, that, they can't have, when they invented dog whistle,

when they named dog whistle racism, they can't have known. No, no, surely not. Galton's whistle. Fucking out. Fuck me. Reading, playing, learning. Stellist lenses do more than just correct your child's vision. They slow down the progression of myopia.

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without actually overtly saying it. So it's like, okay, so we've got to sort out crime in the urban centres. We've got to stop everyone with Afro's doing crime all the time. Well, that's not a great one. That's not that. I mean, they sharpened this tool over, you know, they were refining it.

But basically it's a way of mentioning so that people who are racially minded we think about race a lot, they can pick up on the code. Which is the frequency we can't hear if you're not racist. Yeah, exactly. I don't think there was not much dog whistling

I think in like Sir Africa they don't feel like very dog whistly racist No that as you say The blecks off my land That's not a dog whistle That's as you say that's an air horn What's better than blecks All right

At least some disguise on the past No it's a very direct form of racism It's overt It's loud It's out in the open But I guess in America obviously You know you post this is post civil rights So if you want to talk about race

In a negative way You've got to use Golton's Whistle. I mean, that's, that's absolutely. But right, so these are all the things he invented, right?

You show, eugenics, behavioral genetics. Why is that top? Why is that top? Regression toward the mean. What's that? That's an average, I don't know,

I'm not, you like math, you got glasses, you got glasses, come on millhouse, work it out. It's like statistical thing. It's one where one,

oh, fucking hell, that's boring. Yeah, I mean, a lot of them are boring. Standard deviation. That's something. I hear that all the time. Anticycone.

Wait, standard deviation. Is that not just a minute? Uh, The isochrome map? I don't know what that is. What's that? Yeah, fucking weather maps. Yeah, keep going on.

Let's see Gulton's board. Gulton's board. What's that? That's something you strap people to? The advice of it. Oh, right. Demonstrate the central limit theorem. Right, fucking up.

Let's keep going through. Gold's problem. Let's see Galtons problem. I reckon I know what the problem is. It's black people. He describes the problem as drawing it. Right. Inferences from cross-cultural data.

Yeah. Yeah. I guess. He's a three-dimensional character. That's absolutely fucking crazy. I mean, he's a true Victorian. Yeah, he is. This is people of this age.

It's you invent a world-changing things and modern racism. All things good and bad are invented by English polymaths in this period. He's Elon Musk is what he is in that he's doing rockets, he's doing electric cars, and he's just opening a sewer on Twitter. You know, I guess Musk. is kind of the only modern-day polymath there is, really, that anyone would know. Yeah.

You can't be professional polymaths now. Although, I guess, could you call people who like a Uber drivers, delivery drivers, and it's all driving, isn't it? Yeah, I don't know what a polymath. People are chicken? Are we polymasts because we do podcasting and stand-up? No, it's all comedy.

No, it's all racist. Oh, do you like that guy's racist stand-up? What you like is racist podcast? Can you be a polymaths you're in a polycule and your varied interests are the different, your five different girlfriends, and boyfriends? I don't know.

I don't know if you're a polymath. Yeah, no. I don't reckon, I mean, the irony is that the polymaths in the Victorian play, they were a fucking one person. Yeah, right. If at all.

So, well, what a scoop. What an absolute scoop. Francis Galton, he basically, he coins the term eugenics because he starts to apply, he gets the Malthusian ideas of population control.

Yes. Explain it again, so the idea is that we should let poor people die because it's natural selection. Yeah. The whole point is... The whole point is that you're using Darwin's observation of adaptation to survive,

which means that weaker species die out, because they don't adapt. You're applying that to social dynamics of poor people. And in English context, it's the Irish. It's getting rid of the Irish, basically. And we've worked with Irish people for a lot, and I do think we should bring some of it back. No, look, every idea...

There's some sense to it, of course. Vittorio's got a fucking massive head. I mean, you can't help but think... or what's going on in there. So in the 1880s, people are also on the ground in the colonies. You know, they're getting their phrenology cranes out. That looks like an Indian head massage, but it's not that, is it? Well, the original Indian head massage was not to cause an orgasm.

It was to measure your head to see how stupid you work. But was that the way that they tricked people in? In many ways, in the death camp said, you're going to have a lovely shower? And then it was a gash chamber. instead they're like do you want a lovely head mashaws oh that's brilliant and he's like oh that's so nice and it's like check the measurements yeah you're medically thick I think um so so you've got Herbert Hope Rizley uh who's the guy in he's one of the Rizley Herbert Hope Rizley Rizmaster General Herbert he's he's risen people he's risen people he's uh I think he's on

he's one of the administrators in India right he's he's he's um dangerous he's measuring noses he is he's measuring how flat the nose is And he's then divided... A lost art. Yeah. I mean, again, this is something that, you know, the 1950s, they just drew a line under noses. The science of noses is dead in the water. What does it mean if you've got a big nose?

Nothing. Don't lift that rock up. We know what happens. But so, again, the whole... Now, at some point, they divide... Some French guy, divide... It says there are three races. There's Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and then another one that we don't really feel comfortable

saying. But you could sort of work it out. Now, if you get the map up... Now, is there something almost progressive about three races? What do you mean? Is it... Is the more races or less races more progressive? Because, again, there's been this long struggle,

or rather this long academic debate of are we like mona-whatever or poly whatever? Are we all from the same origin? All out of Africa. Are we all out of... At some point, they say, out of Asia. Yeah. Are we all out?

Do we all come to the same? Chinese people still believe that as well as still. Hey what? A lot of Chinese people still think it's out of Asia. Yeah. But they, they're basically, they're always, every point they're trying to classify races. We love procedure in this country.

We love, you know, we love an inquiry. We love data gathering. All this is is just data gathering. Yeah. It's nerds. We just happen to be unbelievably racist at the time. Yeah. But again, in this day and age, racists are the top of society.

Yeah. Right. They are the cream of the crop. Right. It's just, you know, he's in, you say, You'd say, you must meet my friend, the esteemed racist, Dr. Galton. You know, nowadays you'd say scholar and a gentleman, now you see a scholar and a racist. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Goulton takes these, these Malthusian ideas with Darwin's ideas about natural selection

and starts talking about eugenics, which is the, basically, politically implementing social Darwiners. some social engineering basically so it's uh in the 1880s as i was saying in so maybe this is an age where so often uh you if you meet like if you don't crowd work you meet someone as an engineer there's lots of types of engineering you can be mechanical engineering yeah you know software engineering you probably making more money civil engineering civil engineering but this is actually a time where if you're a comedian at the time and someone says they're engineered they could say oh i'm a social engineer i um i try and stop poor people breeding with rich people um um i'm like, yeah, I'm like the Isambard, Kingdom Brunel of stopping poor people of kids.

Yeah, in Britain it was mainly class. They thought that the Irish and the poor people were outbreeding rich people. Yeah. And so they tried to, there's something called positive eugenics and negative eugenics. And positive eugenics is where you, you're breeding up. So you're like, great, you two went to Cambridge, you two fuck. Negative eugenics is right. You're in a wheelchair.

You're thick. You two breed to try and like breed down. So don't muddy the genes of the rich guys That's what the idea is Now There's a lot of air quotes This whole episode's in air quotes by the way Yeah or it's ironic or whatever you need

Whatever you need to get through it Just have a fucking drink and get on with it Have a stiff drink and turn this one up Well blast it Blast it I reckon why if you're in the car Wind your windows down Well the weather's getting better Drive through Brixton let's see what happens

Do it so loud The neighbours can hear it out in the garden It's a summer pod This one's a summer pod you know if you're at the queue at Wimbledon listening to this take your air Be a fucking

I mean there's a bad example Because I think secretly They love this sort of stuff All right If you're at the Oval The Wimbledon queue is social engineering Because only white Protestants are going to wait in a queue that long That's true

That's true Well no hang on it's a chicken and egg thing Right It's not social engineering Right Are you saying that They've engineered it to make sure That only

The waspiest people in the world Because I've been there I went there to do some content For some fucking gin brand and yeah it's the fucking it's the snootiest cuntiest white people you've ever seen yeah is yeah is and they absolutely love it the whole thing is a quiet carriage yeah it's yeah it's the most pot of six hours and then didn't get in

so the shit is purgine yeah yeah it's on the opposite of per guy yeah it's cute for six hours didn't get in fucking yeah belly full of strawberries yeah just strawberries and then fitted myself so in the 1890s you've got the scramble for Africa. People are measuring skulls. They're measuring noses. And Francis Galton is trying to get government to implement eugenics policies, which proudly, I'll say this proudly, never happens in the UK. There is no government state-sponsored eugenics policy ever done in the UK. He starts a society called like the Royal Society for Eugenics or something. They're handing out Royal Charter.

They're handing out pamphlets. Yeah. It doesn't really work. So it's similar to Oswald Mosley trying to be British Hitler. It just never gets off the ground. Yeah, exactly. In Britain, it never takes off. In America, they fucking love it.

Yeah, brilliant. They absolutely love this in America. So there's a guy called, there's another guy called Herbert Spencer, who ends up being the biggest philosopher in China, because they buy into all this shit as well. Really? And he's, Marx is a big fan of him. Marx is also a big fan of Darwin.

but Darwin hates Marx Interesting Yeah But they're all hanging around London at this time Right So Herbert Spencer is actually buried next to Karl Marx In Highgate century But Spencer's a massive eugenicist

Okay It was kind of as I say It was like kind of a cool thing to be It was like a eugenicist In the late 19th century Right It was like that's where the hip Technology bisexual

Yeah they're the bisexuals Yeah Like nowadays if you're if you're like queer That's like cool Yeah You get like a I don't know You get a seat on the bar Blue badge.

Well, I don't think it's cool to have a priority seat. I don't think they're cool. Let's make, give them a priority seat. Do you reckon that's what Tucker Carlson thinks is happening in the UK? Is that you have to give up your seat for a, you have a seat for a queer person. What kind of got a badge saying, queer? But Tucker Carlson's view of London is he thinks it's this, should be this.

Yes. And he's come here and he's, well, eugenics is. And he's walked down Whitechapel and he's like, what the hell? Eugenics is basically the mirror image of critical race theory, isn't it? Right. In that like on the one side you've got the far left people who are like

the world, like, you know, taking privilege to its logical extent and we have to like intervene because no matter who you are, if you are, you're like, your race determines your life because of society's factors. Well, it almost needs to be

reverse social engineering to make sure that we balance the power as much as possible. It's basically nature versus nurture, isn't it? Critical race theory says because of nurture, because of how racist society is, you're basically, your life is determined by your race because of social factors, whereas this is saying you're basically born thick if you're the wrong race.

Yeah. Right. So it's basically there's just mirror image of the same thing, right? Anyway, so Gold, in America, they fucking love these ideas. Each time he's publishing a paper, it's like the new Harry Potter book. Yeah, like people are queuing outside the new iPhone. They're finishing it. They're getting photos, like, oh, fuck, what's this one I'm going to say?

Who's the worst race? so the eugenics movement gains traction in the US inspired by the work of British scientists of Francis Galton Sir yeah of course he's a polymack yeah yeah for his services to racism he meant to the dog whistle he meant to the dog whistle supported by philanthropists because it seemed to be a philanthropic thing right

if we can out if we can breed out alcoholism alcoholism if we can breed out alcoholism then we can you know it's like Yeah, the word for Lampthropist has really been muddied in this era. It's doing some heavy lifting at this point. It's, yeah. So the Eugenics Record Office is established in Cold Springs Harbor in New York under the leadership of a guy called Charles Davenport. I think might be an American Nazi.

I'm not sure. Anyway, so this develops the idea of selective breeding. Right. And I just, there's a photo that I sent, Charlie, can you get the photo up of the placards that I sent you? because there are people are protesting in the street for eugenic policies and there is this photo right of people holding up signs so this is this is a people on a sidewalk right in America and they're holding up a placard I must drink alcohol to sustain life

shall I transfer this cruelty to others and then there's one of the rights my favourite I cannot read this sign by what right have I children and so this is basically essentially it's disabled people holding signs saying that they should all be killed. What? Would the prisons and asylum? Are they doing it satirically or are they? No, these are pro-Eugenics protesters in early 20th century, New York.

I cannot read this sign, but by what right have I children? Yeah. So this is basically people, now I don't know whether he... But this is like the recent disability protest against Rachel Reeves' policy. Yeah, except. But it's four. Yeah. It's the same people go, I don't want to be supported by the state.

Cut more. Cut more. I want to feel something. They're holding up pictures of Rachel Reeves, like the Ayatollah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Death to us. Death to us.

More steps. Less ramps. More, less lifts. Lose the lifts. I want to be carried more. I don't want food. I want adrenaline. Would the,

would the prisons and asylums be filled if my kind had no children right so these are now I don't I don't know whether these people are genuinely I mean the one the second one looks a bit funny I reckon he's got something going on but I don't know whether these people are genuinely disabled but in

or is it a false flag a false flag attack could be but so that's also awesome that is awful able body guys just going I'm disabled you should kill me well they're not it's nothing it's not about killing right

that's not about killing it's about making sure that we this never happens again it's a no it's about um you're getting let off with a warning stop saying killing the germans the Germans take it that far in the early 20th century

American the eugenics record office the um you know the extra parliamentary charity it's a charitable foundation it's a fundamental foundation it's what it's proposing is involuntary sterilization instills

they're trying to make instells out of the population which is where if you are mentally disabled which will get to how they class this then you are basically you can't have kids

they just chop your balls off right that's the philanthropic against your well they would argue they don't fucking know what's going on right yeah but it's like I have a broken finger why you chop it off this is how in the early 20th century they would class people

now for people listening this is a the it's like a staircase and at every point in the staircase there's a quite offensive drawing of someone if i was on spotify i'd go over to the video now so all these terms of things we use now we're back in the day they these were in the psychiatric pseudoscience these were terms so at the very at the very let's go top to bottom at the very top you have a what's called a moron and that is someone who is really trying to get on to the work that requires reason. There was a ranks too. Yeah, they're ranked. So the moron is the least stupid. So a moron is trying the moron can handle complex

manual work and they're trying to get to the which what would be the normal which is work that requires reason and judgment. So what jobs are morons doing these days? Is it like an estate agent? Do they work at Morons work at Foxton's? No, I'd say complex manual work

that's like what would that be I don't know sparky like what yeah you'd say you'd say all electricians are morons

good luck getting any fucking house renovation done so yeah complex manual work is sparky

uh what requiring reason and judgment right then you have one step down what's called a high grade

imbecile and these are people who can only handle simple manual work high grade doing a lot of the heavy lifting it works

it makes them feel better. You're an imbecile. You're a top-notch. I mean, yeah, as tall as , literally, so simple manual work. Smartest thick person. Yeah, high-grade impassell, you can handle simple manual work, which I guess is like, what, painting? Or complex manual work, it says. So that's what I mean? No, no, no, no. Moron are on the complex manual work step. They're trying to get to work that requires reasonable judgment. Right, that's why I was, okay, they're trying to get to a job at Foxxon's. are trying to get to be a sparky

but they're too stupid so they're stuck on the step that's simple manual work which is just painting I guess right then you go down you have medium imbecile and these are simple mental work minimal work

simple menial work which I guess is like stitching or something or like yeah finger painting then you have a low grade imbecile which all they can do is self-preservation that's all they can do they can stay alive

but they can't work Right, right, right, right. Then you have an idiot who can't even stay alive. So the idiot is, is, sort of drawn, kind of collapsed in a heap on the bottom of the staircase because they've fallen down because they're a fucking idiot. So that is how, that this, what's amazing. That is absolutely unbelievable. This is psychiatry in the early 20th century. So now, when people are like putting fucking ADHD autism in their bio, back in the day, they were putting high grade imbecile.

They were putting like, oh, actually, I need extra time. my exams because I'm a low-grade imbecile. Yeah. Proud moron. I'm an idiot. This kind of makes more sense why. So at someone at uni who had incredibly woke.

This is 2016. I have wokeness. Pete woke. Yeah. I, she told me off for using the word idiot. Yeah. To describe a thick cunt I knew. She was spying with that for us.

Yeah. To describe this absolute spaz. But she said, said um idiot was it comes from like like it has bad origin right is it's like a true ableist language i was like but what else do you just describe as stupid people yeah and she couldn't get through it because i'd say moron she said no i just kept going through it they all have bad origin well that's right the words the word spastic now do you know what she landed on yeah not clever it's got to be more diverse no it does there's too many stupid people you need a noun she said was

you could say you need a noun you need something yeah you can't just say that person who's not clever because the person who's not clever can't understand five words in a row so you need a noun. Well idiot actually made age agree to someone who didn't really read the newspaper or whatever or like wasn't up to date with the news. Yeah but in the early 20th century you'd say like oh I'm a carer or who for an idiot and that's that's that's politically correct language. Oh you're a scientist I don't know that time yeah I'm a scholar and gentleman in my spare time actually volunteer looking after a fucking idiot yeah it's like yeah it's like yeah it's like but like now so the term idiot now is

completely harmless yeah right but much but then idiots aren't harmless they still cause a lot of themselves they're idiots they can't walk upstairs but but like much like the term the term spastic now people flinch at when in the when 40 years ago that was the that was the accepted term yeah but maybe in a hundred years time spastic will be back again right well like the way idiot is do you know I mean yeah anyway so um basically what has happened here is that charles darwin's written a book on bugs and plants and his cousin's gone, oh, I see what you really meant. You meant we should cut the balls off people with Down syndrome. And so what then happens, right, is that the Americans introduce laws in 30 states, right? 32 states in America. That's more than half have eugenics

laws. And right, they think that up to 80,000 people are involuntary. sterilized in the early 20th century in America. Most of them, guess where? Where? Where's the prettiest place in America? I don't know. Montana? No, where are the people the fittest in America?

Oh, California? Right. Yeah, join the dots. A lot of people are bred out of California in the early 20th century. Like, there is a state-sponsored campaign of sterilizing fucking mental... And that's the home of the porn industry. do the maths two plus two equals

fuck right they also I mean a lot of this are also I should say I think a lot of black black women are sterilized I think especially racialized

in America but I mean so back to the funny stuff so so eugenics keep it like Finn eugenics it really takes off

in early 20th century America there are a state There are 32 states that have, you know, states' rights. We don't want to interfere with states' rights. God no. At one point, it's going to become a federal thing. Yeah, so Indiana's the first one. Compulsory sterilization of individuals deemed unfit, such as those with intellectuals.

So, you know, Francis Bourgeois, cut your balls off. Everyone doing editor of a show about their neurodiversity, gone. Gone. Absolutely gone. You'd be in the bin. I'm gone. You're gone. Yeah, I'm getting sterilized.

Yeah, you're getting sterilized. You can't breathe. It's you're a danger. the American Eugenics Society has founded in 1910 and this promotes eugenics as a scientific and social policy to improve the human gene pool

Well both my parents have ADHD So I think You wouldn't exist Yeah so I wouldn't It was just trying to stop this happening Yeah Double down making me Like you can't be doing that

Look what's happened And I think it's right Look what's happened We could have done so much Look at the best you've made We could have done more to this Stop this The first international eugenics

Congress is held in London in 1912. Davenport, Henry Lockland. Now, Lachlin's a big one as well. The boys. This is, this is a convention. They can't wait to go to this. When they're packing, they're excited.

It's like they're going on a golf trip with the boys. Oh, I mean, if you have to, in a... Davenport's going. Oh, he's fucking... Sorry, there's no better place for an Edwardian stag do than the London Congress of Eugenics in 1912. This is also in the era of the Human Zoo. You wear this? I did this at uni.

Human zoos. Yeah, I think I was... Yeah. So this is in the height of the... from the colonies, this is also, you know, the great exhibition, the Crystal Palace, all that stuff, and they're showing off everything they've got from the colonies. And in 1906, in New York, in the Bronx,

a pygmy man called Otter Benga is displayed in between apes and other animals, and on the label is the missing link. And they basically are claiming that pygmies are like the gap in Darwin's ideas between the apes and white people. So this is happening in New York. He's just shit. Now, human zoos are a thing in the early 20th century. I think they're mainly in Belgium

from what they're doing in the Congo. So this is the peak era of like racialized science. Marie Stopes, right? She wants to sterilize the Irish in London. Marie Stopes was a pioneering advocate for women's reproductive rights. Uh-oh. It was also strong.

Strong eugenic to advocate for the sterilization of those. she considered hopelessly rotten and racially diseased to brackets the Irish. Isn't that amazing? Women's rights. How it's like abortion is progressive. I'm really excited to tell you this. So what we're talking about Americans

and sterilization campaigns. So in America, this is a state's rights issue. They're allowing the states to involuntarily sterilized disabled people. And then there's, then in 1927, someone takes it to the Supreme Court

in a case called Buck v. Bell, which is essentially it's Roe versus Wade but it's not about abortion it's about sterilizing disabled people so someone goes to Supreme Court going Buck versus Bell

is Roe v. Bell is Roe v. Wade but for cutting down people's balls off right right so basically now at this point the American eugenics

is industry is like flying like eugenics as a thing is accepted in many states in the other 20th century. Brilliant. Now, who should be across the channel thinking on these ideas? But the Germans, our old friends. Now,

obviously, it should be stressed that Winston Churchill, he's a big fan of eugenics. Right. But he's, again, it's more of a class thing than a race thing with Winston. You pick your poison, isn't it? We all like different drinks for different needs. He's a man of his time. What is, a lot of people don't realize, is that after the First World War,

a lot of American companies get very, very rich of re-arming the Germans. Right. So the German and American capital, like early Hitler, late Weimar, early Hitler, and capitalist golden age America.

I love that, those albums from early Hitler. Early Hitler's, early Hitler's capitalist America, some really great stuff. So the Ford company, basically all... Oh, yeah, I mean, the Ford company, I mean, yeah. All the tanks that invade Poland are Ford. Right.

All the trucks are Ford. All the time. are American tires. Fine. The Americans have invented synthetic fuel and the Germans don't have much oil

no access to it. Yeah, of course. But they get the synthetic fuel patent from the Americans which essentially powers the entire war machine. So then we have oil fields

until they get Romania and stuff. What they also do, what Hitler does is that he basically copies and pasts the writings of an American eugenicist and puts it in mine camp.

And the Nazis, the German racial they call eugenics racial hygiene ever the lyricists the Germans they can take something that's maybe quite

lyrical and quite subtle and they just fucking spell it out yes racial hygiene I see what you mean so they they take basically there's a big

eugenics movement in in Berlin or in Germany that's separate to Hitler but what they do when Hitler comes to power because they're scientists who believe in eugenics

Hitler's like okay well if we're going to do eugenics you've got to take the Jews out right and they're not anti-Semites but they go well for the good of eugenics okay we'll implement some anti-Semitic eugenics so they're basically

they like don't throw the baby out with the bath who's your donors right it's like he's lobbying the anti-Jew lobby we've got to play to them we have to if we want eugenics to survive which we do because we're good guys then we have to genocide Jews yeah

So it's so much so that the Nazi euthanasia program Because it's one of the first things the Nazis do When they come to power You know you sort of about your first hundred days First thing they do You know when Blair comes in On the first day they nationalised Bank of England Right I mean they privatised

Whatever they do to Bank of England And then everyone's like oh this is a Labour government That actually means business for business Right first thing it does right Sterilisation mass sterilisation Anyone we don't like That programme is heavily influenced and funded by the American euthanasia program

that was started. Right. Because they're the wild leaders on it, utenasia, Americans at this point. The Americans are, look, this is before Buck v. Bell. So they've not got anything. And when Buck versus Bell,

the result of that trial was like Roe v. Wade, where they made it a federal thing where you can... No, they said they could, they were not, the Supreme Court, I think, I'd actually know what this is. Was it a groundbreaking case? I think so, but I don't really know

in what it resulted in. But at the Nuremberg rallies, after the war in there's another one with all the Nazi scientists and doctors after like the war criminals and then they then they do another next wave like where they get their ideas from

they yeah like oh that's it so Harry Lachlan is the inspiration that all the Nuremberg scientists they claim they're like we mate we just fucking copied what he was doing in America yeah so it's like a bad interviewer on a comedy podcast asking a comedian where he gets his ideas from yeah but instead it's the Nerobo trials

I mean it's crucial to the... Where did you get your ideas from? That's not how I said it. Hey guys. Adam, where do you... Where do you get your crazy idea? Killing six million Jews.

Where on earth do you get your ideas from? It was a guy called Harry Lachlan who wanted to standardise eugenics policies across all the states. Right. And the Germans just translate that and make it essentially law in that 33. So, and then obviously

it goes without saying that the Germans take what the Americans are doing and they run with it. They have a real field day. I don't they look back. But it's Hitler's anti-Semitism. The only thing the Nazis really bring to the already quite like vibes of eugenics is anti-Semitism.

That's their new shit. That's all Hitler. So like Hitler and the Nazis are anti-Semitic. Eugenics isn't really about the Jews at this point. It's about disabled people. Hitler is like, let's get these guys involved. And I'm on board. Yeah.

And so I think we have We've reached the nadir of humanity We've reached the Holocaust We've reached, we have traced over these two episodes The terrible perversion of a pure nerdy British bug catchers ideas Into the origins of eugenics and the Holocaust There's also, we haven't talked about the Darwin Awards

Which is quite funny. What's that? You know the Darwin Awards? No. The Darwin Awards are, it's an internet award system for videos of people who have, like, done something stupid and died.

You've been framed. It's you've been framed, but they died in every video. Darwin Awards recognized individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by selecting themselves

out of the G-Poor by dying, by their own actions. So, what are some of the winners? Early post cite an example of a person who tried to break into a vending machine and was crushed a death when he pulled it over on himself. A man who strapped a jet-assisted take-off unit

to a Chevrolet and Parlor in the Arizona Desert and who died on the side of a car. Cliff, this is car achieve speeds at 300 miles now. That is natural selection. That's not social engineering. No. That is just the invisible hand of nature.

Yeah, I'm selecting myself out of the gene pool. That's what this is. But what I wanted to say is we have reached the end of the perversion of Darwin's ideas. We have reached the horror of the Holocaust. And I can now reveal that next week we will be dealing with something related to the Nazis. Finally. Finally. We've fucked around.

We've been treading water for too fucking long. I've been edging myself for fucking three months. We've gone through medieval Mongolia. I can't believe we did the medieval Mongolians before we got to Hitler, personally. But we will be doing something related to the Nazis next week on the pod. If you want all seven parts, I'm saying it now, if you want all seven parts of that series, it'll probably be three, sign up to the Patreon, where you also get bonus Friday.

episodes. But either way, thanks so much for checking us out, and we shall see you next week. Goodbye. Al-fi to Zen.