Fin vs History - Is Mao's Famine the reason China eats pig d*cks? | The Life of Chairman Mao (Part 2)

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

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This is part two of our series on Chairman Mao. We are now at the end of the Chinese Civil War with establishment of the People's Public of China in 1949. So, 1949, that's sort of, I guess that's, that's, that's after, It's after the rape of Nang King. Yes. But it's before Robbie Williams left, take that.

I don't have to. No, before. Obviously. Before? Obviously. Yeah, yeah. Mow was not aware. But they,

apparently they had in the works a monkey biopic for Mow. Robbie Williams. But then the Robbie Williams one came out and they thought, well, we can't have two, so they had to shelve it. The decision for Robbie Williams to leave take that was not part of it. of Mao's cultural revolution.

No. I think he probably doesn't know about take that, but definitely doesn't know who Robbilliams is. No, he's got no idea. Yeah, he'd probably be like, Gary Bal, I think I know Gary Balo. But Robbie Williams, he wouldn't know, no. So that was after his time,

so that sort of places it, that cushions it historically. Jason Orange is, I would prefer Jason Red. I've watched, did you watch Better Man, the Robbie Williams Bible? No, I've watched the pop star documentary on BBC. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is actually also confusing that we're doing Mao today

because last night we started watching the Marilyn Manson do a documentary channel 4. Right. So I may get my facts quite confused. So hang on, so 1950 Chairman Mao gets a rib removed to suck his own dick and this is called The Great Lurch Forward, is that right? The five-year plan.

The five-year plan to suck himself off. Do you know, apparently, someone told me, do you know the way to actually suck yourself? Have you ever tried to suck yourself off? Oh, probably, yeah. Why are you saying that like I'm a nun? I probably have. I can't remember.

I obviously didn't succeed. Apparently the technique, if you really wanted to. Apparently. I think, yeah, I think a mate of mine tried and his mum walked in. His mum walked in while he was doing it. Wow. And this is probably, it's probably the worst thing that your mom could walk in and you're doing. It's way worse than porn, obviously, you're trying to sit your own dick.

Apparently the technique, right, is you need to walk your cock into your mouth. You do. So what you do? is against the wall you had to swing your feet onto the wall and then you use your hopefully have grippy shoes

sorry you're wearing no trousers but you're wearing you're wearing like worker boots it'll be custom shoes there'd be shoes that with like suckers on them you want to have a lot of grips you've got shoes made as I guess

hey Horatio how's things going yeah I don't know man I just got shoes made so I could suck myself off how are you so yeah and then your feet do a lot of the work sounds like a mouse torture method well maybe with the bricks

that's what he was trying to do your axe against the wall your feet are being inched up slowly to the point where your knees break but you can suck yourself off you know what he always says the problem with Arsenal they always try and walk it in

the problem with Finn he's always trying to walk it walk in his car you gotta walk it just get it in there just have a wank just have a wank why is that to be a perfect wank

why do you have to walk it into your own mouth seven percent of people said they successfully suck their own dick lies and also who's collecting this day yeah and also seven percent of what people okay the Australian broadcasts right listen to be fair

Australians are doing what they're going to do that's why they have that haircut to make them more aerodynamics so they can get them yeah there's a easy little of walking it that's why it's called walkabout you know the Australian chain of walkabout into my mouth

I like the idea that you're trying to walk it in because then I also in that universe there must exist in a 30-yard screamer where you're standing completely straight and then you like blink and it's in your mouth somehow. Jared! 2005 cup final.

What's the West Ham Cup final? Yeah, in the 19th minute. You've been trying for ages and it's not coming and then you're just like one frame you're stood completely upright, the next frame. Because what you do is you trick your body and ribs into thinking you're not going to suck the dick. So they're all relaxed.

There's no defence and then you quickly do it. is the issue that you've got... Sucking your own dick, is it possible and will everything go? And will anything go wrong? Well, I feel that's a bit of an open-ended question. It depends how you try and suck your own dick, doesn't it? Well, I also...

No, I think it's more mentally is that if you cross that Rubicon, I think your life is then ruined. What? You think coming in your own mouth? You think the feeling... The feeling of shame you have aftercoming, but now you've got your own jizz in your mouth. Sucking your own dick

and finishing in your own mouth, to two different things. All right. If I'm pulling out for, if I'm pulling out for a woman, I'm not finishing in my own mouth. I'm tapping my own head and then I'm getting up the way. I'm jizzing in my face. That's what I'm doing.

All right. Yeah, okay. Fair enough. So, anyway, what are we talking about? Chairman Mao, Chairman Mao had spent 10 years in a commune trying to suck his own dick. And it's called the Great Lurch Forward. Yeah.

But they've got really strong in this compound and they've come back, they've taken over, right? Yeah, take that on around, obviously. We know that. And he beats the communists and then, no, he is communist, isn't he? Yeah. And then he, 49, he's found to the People's Republic of China. Yeah, which is still, still to this day what it's called.

Even though it's not really that communist, there's kind of like an awkwardness now because they, it's all the aesthetics of communism, right? And they're China nowadays. Yeah. Yeah. But even though it's not really communist, it's sort of totalitarian, but it's pretty capitalist now. Yeah, I don't really know what you'd call von de Chyla. But then it's funny that they still invoke all of these myths about Mao.

And I think it's not really talked about his crimes. He could suck himself off. No one talks about it. That's why he's smiling in all the photos. What, because he's just coming his own mouth. Are you saying he would come in your own mouth? all right yeah let's get off now um no i probably if i was sucking myself off no i probably wouldn't actually yeah but then i feel like what what's the point what's the point in i guess my my thing is i don't

know if you get to the top of everest you want to take a picture up there don't you that would be my thing is more like i've reached a zenith or are you sort of more of a mildly cyrus it's not about how fast do you get there's the journey it's not a lot of about what's waiting on the other side. No, I guess I'm thinking of that Greek guy, the old Greek guy who wanted to live as a man and then as a woman. Right. And you're kind of doing that in one.

What old Greek guy? You know, there's a Greek myth or some guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's about the guy who, like, the trans origin story, a guy who's like lived to whatever, and then I'm going to do the other half as a woman and see which is better. Yeah. What do you say? I don't know.

I'm just not the point of my story. Right. My fact is that you're basically, if you're sucking yourself off, you are doing that in a sort of hunched up fetal ball you are living that and so are you saying you want to experience taking the load I'm saying if I've made it always is when we're talking about that big nasty load in their mouth yeah I'm just like you've got to finish the job if you're already there you're so nearly there yeah and it's crazy not to finish the job yeah so finish the job swallow it stand up again back to work honey mom comes in now what are you doing if you're

If your son... If I walk in on my son, I'm talking to have off. You know, I'm a shit. Young boy now, but if he's 14, 15, you come in, you know... Definitely going to bleak the name. I'm not having... Definitely bleak the name. Anyway, I don't know what I do.

I don't know how I... Charlie, but absolutely. Do not put porn on the screen, Charlie. This has actually been a bit of a problem. problem throughout is that Charlie has... We've only recorded about four episodes, but Charlie is constantly born up.

This is a reputable history podcast, Charlie. And we're trying to cover a very tough period of human... Do you think the producer of Parkinson's in the 80s would have us put in porn in front of Michael Parkinson? He was trying to talk to Mohammed Ali and there was 70s full bush porn being brought in front of him.

He's done a lot of interviews, I'm sure, in the end. Or what, he needs something to keep going. Yeah, I mean, it's just like for him, he has to try to keep acting like it's... Do you think it's like those TikToks with the subway surfer below that he's watching hardcore 70s porn? Yeah, yeah.

Just there whilst... Donald Cruz is there, yeah, yeah, yeah. So tell me about eyes wide... You know, what? So Chairman Mao, back to Chairman Mao. Yeah. To recap, well, we won't recap last episode because the last half it was fucking boring.

Who cares? Basically, this is where he starts to... This is where the goat starts to enter his peak years. Yeah. This is Hitler post 36. This is Messi 2009 Yeah, yeah

The beginning of his One of his first primes Racking up Ballandors Yeah Because the key thing about being a goat Right It's not having a prime It's having multiple primes

That's what really Sir Alex Ferguson's team He could re-branded You can't just have like one period of prime And this is him entering Well I guess his first prime Was China Civil War But this is him entering

His real goat status era So he becomes Chairman Man here. Right. So yeah, it's an interesting one, the chairman, right? So he's, when you're choosing to become the most powerful person, I guess in communism is an awkward question, because it's, it's the dictatorship of the proletariat, right? We're all together in this. We got rid of a king. So, but they chose to use chairman. Yeah. Hitler's Fuhrer. Well, the chairman is so clinical, right? Yeah. But I guess that's kind of the point. Is it sort of like getting like a, I don't know,

You're getting northern guys in your banking adverts because it seems like... When did he start shopping at COS? Um, I think... Well, I would argue, you know, he pioneered the COS look. He's the first COS fuck boy. So COS actually owe a lot to Mao. Yeah. Right.

Because that's one of the main things about his aesthetic. The Mao suit. Is that he... Yeah. It's that now people in East London walk around. Yeah. Yeah. So, but in China, in East London, they choose to do that.

Yes. In China, you had two, two items of clothing. You had a COS summer range, which was one oversized blue shirt. And then winter, which was an even more oversized blue shirt. Which was a tiny coat that you couldn't fit into. And I suggested, do you reckon COS is the reason COS doesn't fit is because it's all built for Chairman Mal's body?

So it's all massive and tiny wrists. And also because of the famines, most people were very skinny. That's true, but they had sort of like bellies or whatever. Water bellies? You know how people get water bellies when they're hungry? When they're hungry? They're starving. I'll leave you on that one.

What? Oh no, water bellies, type Charlie, type in water. Can we not look at swollen famine bellies, please? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's water bellies. It's called like a deema. It's where you get water retention because you're hungry. Right. You wanted to do this episode.

That's what, that's what cos. Coz clothes are made for famine victims. Anyway, I've said my piece. But then it's very like, I guess if you're autistic, it's good to be in Communist China for the period with a Mao suit. You don't have to pick any. clothes and the debt. You have a routine. It's like Zuckerberg. Yeah, Zuckerberg. He thinks better because he only has a black t-shirt and jeans.

Yeah. So you can sort of come up with more business ideas and then get killed for having a business idea because it's communist China. Of course. So it is a little bit of a problem is that you're streamlined because you're not thinking about your clothes, but all of your ideas will get you killed. You have so much time to risk death. So this is... It's pretty swaggy now, though. I like the Chinese tunics suit. The modern Chinese tunic suit is a style of... of male attire originally known in China. Here we go, as the Zhongshan suit. The four pockets are said to represent

the four virtues of propriety justice, honesty and shame. Now, what are you got in your shame pocket, then, Finn? A pocket pussy? Yeah, fleshlights in the shame pocket. Pocket pussies isn't in the shame pocket. What are you got in your justice? There's another pocket pussy in there. There's four pussies in my tunic.

I've got a pussy in each one and it's just about how I feel when I put my dick in it I'm going to have the propriety pussy I'm going to have the honesty pussy I'll have the honesty pussy which is when you do it

in front of your wife and then there's a shame one where she goes that's disgusting yeah I know I'm going to do it again and he put the shame one on so Chairman Mao is walking around

in the tunic with four fleshlights in it because he is a horn dog he's absolute horn dog and he thinks it keeps him agile he has no mate is interesting

right welcome back so sorry that we were cut off there what happened is that there was a power cut in the studio and it wasn't coming back on so we went for lunch and then we came back from lunch and it still wasn't on and now it's four days later I've had a haircut I'm a new person yeah and we watched back the first part of the episode to see where we were in the timeline and it turns out we've just been spending 50 minutes almost sucking each other off yeah hadn't even broke the back of it at all suck yourselves off sorry the next 50 minutes will be about a sucking you sucking each other off. So we hadn't even really got to the great leap forward. Well, it's quite, it was quite French, actually, this podcast now. You know, do 50 minutes of work. Yes. Take a week off. That's true.

Come back. Come back. Come back. Start talking about sucking each other off again. But yeah, so we're completely different men. We've had life-changing experiences in a week. And now we're going to carry on the same episode as if it's the same one. So you were saying Mao has no friends, which is not...

As we finish talking about sucking ourselves off. Yes, I think we're going. We probably covered that. Okay, fine. So Chairman Mao has no friends, which is not surprising given he walks around Beijing with four pocket pussies in his tunic. Well, Mao's very paranoid. He has no mates.

It's a real school shooter dressing up, isn't it? Yeah, and he's not like, he doesn't have a group of lads. He doesn't have the boys that he hangs out with. Well, he's the dom. He's the alpha, isn't he? So I guess. And it's quite lonely at the top. Would you say, Finn?

Yeah, I'd say. Well, you're saying that I'm the alpha? I've got friends. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, on top of the mountain, just trying to suck himself. Me and Red Richardson. So Mao is president 19... Well, I guess what it's like is when you start coming up in comedy,

if you start moving faster than some of your friends, it becomes actually harder to hang out sometimes because it's just the... And that's what Mao's going through, right? So it's a moment of sincerity. No, I'm just saying that Mao's gone through this, you know. Mao's worked through the open mic circuit. He's worked through the open mic circuit.

He's starting getting booked at bigger clubs. Yes. And suddenly all the kind of, you know, lids he was starting out with, who was his boys. Yeah, and now there there are his openers. I'm terrified of him. And they wanted to do, they don't overrun. So, Mao is president

of people's Republic of China. He spent decades teaching himself how to suck himself off. He's got four pocket posies and his tunic. And here is where the real meat of his go era begins. Land reform. Yeah. Now, as

We all have different things. As someone who is more of a commie file than me. Sure. Could you explain what land reform means? Well, they all do this. This is kind of the big idea from like Leninist communism basically is that you've got collectivize all of the

production of the country. And that really always, because communism's only been really tried and pretty much surf states in the case of Russia or a peasant, almost feudal state in the case of Mao, it does mainly involve the collectivization of agricultural produce, right? Yes.

Because in theory, this is all in theory. These are six guys sat in a seminar room deciding how to run a country with like nearly a billion people, right? So these are, so the Chinese people at this point, rural people, they don't know what the fuck's going on. Yeah, and they always start in a very similar way, which you begin by, there's evil landlords

who are normally farmers who have been running a farm for decades and they know how to use all the machinery. yeah nearly always the first Caleb from Clarkson's farm exactly yeah right and it's nearly always the first step is kill the people who know how to use the machinery yep Caleb's gone

and then find the poorest person of the neighbourhood who doesn't have a clue what he's doing he's the guy's incomprehensible though oh oh oh trevor and you're like now you're in charge Trevor's in charge of Clarkson's farm so yeah you chop the heads off

anyone who knows how to farm yeah and you give the farms to anyone who doesn't know how to farm so Clarkson's farm what could go wrong without Caleb is what this is which is a fucking shit show Yeah

But it happens What it happened in Zimbabwe It happens It's the same thing Every time Yeah So anyone who's got a farm

That works Yeah Mao just says That's bourgeois capitalistic That's That's wanky I'm having that Yeah

And then the point of the land reform The land reform is not The Great Loop Forward No it's not yet That's just the beginning Yes I guess you get I guess

He sort of seems part of it But it's not He hasn't stated The Great leap forward yet No, so the land reform is he wants, he wants to industrialize China. As quickly as possible with skipping as many steps as he can. Because China's very behind. He wants to reach the UK and the US within 15 years.

He's not a big foreplay guy. No. He's got four fleshlights in his tunic. This is a man who, for every base is fourth base. Yeah. He's going all in. But interestingly enough, Stalin did actually manage to industrial, for all his fault. Here we go.

here we go because it's interesting hearing about both Stalin and Mao they both were as destructive as each other but Stalin did industrialize Russia well so did Mao not really well but you look at China now

yeah but it wasn't that was after Mao wasn't it was a dayshong dang shalping dang shalping I think he was the guy who really industrialized listen mate we're doing a history podcast about Chinese history

go on you just got to stick with what you just say it ding shalping whatever it's just like it's a feeling Dang Xiaoping Dang Xiaoping There you go

That was beautiful Yeah thank you Say it with confidence Say it with your chest out Say it with confidence Never never surrender Never apologize Never ask for

The proper pronunciation Never ask for That's what a racist would do We're historians We're scholars We're gentlemen We're vibe in it And we'll get to the end

And see what we say By the way Mao is a very nice name to say That's very easy to pronounce Mao Mao

Mao This is starting to feel a moot more races now, this is. Chairman Mao. Chairman Mao. It's a great name. I like chairman, Mao Zedong. Mow Zedong, which, of course, means male brackets, he, him. Yep, that's what his name does.

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macadamia cream cold brew from starbucks is made just the way you like it handcrafted cold foam topped with toasted cookie crumble it's a sweet summer twist on iced coffee your cold brew is ready at Starbucks. Then the Korean War starts over this period. So this is early 50s, right? The Korean War, for a lot of people, we don't really know much about the Korean War, but it's actually really easy to break down. Go on. Because it's quite like, it's quite a satisfying story. It's like, it's almost too symmetrical where if it was a film, you'd be like, I don't know, it just feels like it's too on the nose. So what happened is China pour troops into North Korea. United States poured troops into South Korea. And then

they're fighting, North Korea push South Korea all the way back to like the bottom tip. Yeah. Then the United States put loads of troops and stuff. And Brits as well. Brits as Brits are in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we push them all the way up to the borders of China. Right.

And then China put even more troops and then we just meet in the middle. So it's literally, if there's a time lapse, it's just... It's like those pens where you lift it over and the women's clothes. It's the neatest, like... And then they just divide it in two? and then they just agreed 38th parallel and also they agreed to do it

exactly halfway it's like really weirdly neat Fair's fair Fair's fair But there's like an arm wrestle where you got them like that And then he got them like that And then you're like

Well just call it a drawer This is the story where There's a British commander Who is being massacred And this is one of the great examples of British versus American The subtle cultural He's calling basically

And what he needs Is he needs American air And he needs it right away. Yeah. He is being absolutely slaughtered. And he says to his American counterpart, yes,

we're in a bit of a pickle here, but morale's high, but we, we're in a bit of a deep pickle. And the American goes, well, fucking, I guess he's all right then.

I don't know why he's talking about Gherkin, but fucking whatever. And they just don't come. Yeah. And the Britain are just completely massacred and everyone dies. Uh, yes, we're in a bit of a pickle here.

A pickle here. Um, we could do with some help. Well, all right then. Okay. They're chopping my legs off. Anyway, so that's the Korean War

Which I think we said in the last episode It's been a week, I don't know But Mao sends his own son just to get killed Because he's basically just throwing people at guns So they run out of ammo Because also part of the communist ideology as well As you sort of destroy not only the idea of the individual But the idea of family doesn't really mean

The same thing anymore It's all about the state You're all what you're a billion person family Imagine that at Christmas Christ I've got two kids, that's enough A billion But it's it they both Communists, China and Russia, the communism there, it sort of works to undermine the relationships

between parents and sons, brothers and stuff. It's not, you know, because that's all like a private holding, isn't it, a family? Yeah. That's very bourgeois. That's, you're, the dad of a family is a landlord, isn't it? I don't want what I say in my house, broadcasts out because I'm, you know, that's very, you know, bourgeois of you. Well, see, it's interesting because I've been thinking about this, because I read, I read stories to my kids. Right. Right. And I, I read, I stories to my kids but I'm getting you're just really mind camp for someone I'm really mind camp to my child yeah yeah my struggle

chapter one um they love it they love it yeah of course they do I do it in the voice no I do like I get to the point now where they like it when I put a voice on for a different character but obviously the stories are very boring and I'm I'm I what was she reading what kind of books is there's one called

the enormous turnip about a bloke an old man who said who grew in an enormous turnip then he couldn't get out of the ground

so he got a woman to come and help and then they couldn't so then he got a boy and then they got a girl and they got a goat and they're all trying to pull and get the turnabout

right that's basically the story who got the turnip out at the end ungripped I think once you got to a donkey they all pulled really hard and they all fell over

and the turnip and they all ate the turnip what's the moral of the story what's the moral lesson teamwork I think communism land reform that's the

use the village to collectivise that's collectivization yeah grow one massive turnip. Anyway, the point is, is that... Basically, get all the people on one turnip, and the rest can dust die.

And then there's a hundred thousand of you. You all got one turnip between you. Yeah, and then you kill each other for the... It's squid game, basically. But the prize is a turnip. No, but my point is, is that it's very boring. You're not really paying attention. And then suddenly you're aware that another character has come in,

and my daughter looks at me expectantly for a new voice. And my voice, as you know, my voice repertoire is, to most people sort of borderline offensive so I do I do do characters to my children they don't know

it's offensive I'm having I'm having a great time constructing their moral worldview exactly I'm doing big African auntie voices they don't know

there's other men out there hello do you want my help pulling out the enormous tunip you know it's a bit of fun but what I'm saying

is I would not want that to be broadcast publicly sure I would not want the state to know about that because that's in the realms of my private house that's something I do with my that's family matter

my accents are a family matter and then for my children to unlearn when they get whereas Mao doesn't want that relationship happening it's too powerful Mao is listening in to my accents yeah and he's probably I don't know killing me does he kill the thing he's not a big I don't think they have like a big network of listening in the same way the communist Russia did

well the amazing thing about Mao which is he he he's manipulative he gets other people he gets the people to kill themselves. Yep. I mean, I mean by suicide and also to like kill each other. Well,

what it feels like is that Mao was a great military organizer and leader of the revolution. Like that's what he was really skilled at. Yeah. And now that there's, it's actually quite an extraordinary,

this whole period where so many people died, kind of weirdly, it's an extraordinary period of peace. Like China's stopped fighting with Japan. They've consolidated communist. Yes, because there's no food. Yeah.

But I mean, like, there's, there's no one they're fighting against. So if your only thing is fighting, you've got to stop punching yourself. Right, I see, I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're beating, you know, the Japanese are gone, the nationalists are gone. I mean, it's a bit like saying the Bengal famine was a great period of peace because the British weren't fighting. Yeah. We just left them to starve. We're building up to the great leap forward.

Right. So collectivizations in the early 50s. Collectivization. So collectivization is when you basically say, how about, even though this is a man. massive country. How about we get all the food to one place and we'll decide we can measure out equally who gets what. Exactly. And they start, they have a five year plan. Now five year plans are a huge big part of communism. Soviet Russia as well. They love a five year plan. And so they want a good way to organize it. We've got a five year plan for this podcast.

I think, I think if we make it through five episodes, we're doing well. So, uh, heavy industry. They want an economic, Soviet style economy. He wants to go straight to steel. It's like if you're playing Siv 3, you're going from hay, people, druids and hay, and you're going straight to the space race without hitting any of the industrial revolution. You can't do. You can't do.

Even with a cheat code, you can't do. You have to play the game in order. Mao's trying to do this in 15 years, right? He's trying to do three, five-year plans back to back. And he's got starving peasants who have no food trying to build massive factories of steel. Yes. And it's like, let's get food for a steal second. He's like, no.

Because then... That would be my motto. So then it starts to get to what he calls the Great Leap Forward, which is in the late 50s. Right. Because he basically declares that China can outpace Britain, which isn't difficult given that Britain at this point, it's completely fucked. But I don't think, does people know how fuck we are? Like, we know.

Yeah. But I think we're probably, Mao probably still thought we were... Well, it's Chinese whispers, isn't it? He's got no idea what's going on. Yeah, we're fucked and he has no idea. So 58, the Great Leap Forward is launched and the goal is to transform China into an industrialized society

through mobilising all the peasants and the farmers. Backyard furnaces for steel production. That's also something which is amazing. He's like, we need to build so much steel. We're not only going to do it in factories, right? Everyone needs to make steel in their own home. And people are like, what? Yeah.

So they're trying to make a furnace at the mat. I've been making rice for 2,000 years. and now you want me to go to steal. Yeah. So he establishes communes, and this is the bit I don't really understand. Basically, everyone then starts getting really angry at each other. What don't you understand about that?

Well, I don't understand how he has this amazing power to start witch hunts in local communities. Because, also, so he's, not only he's amazing at branding, right? Part of the kind of almost year zero effect that he's created, destroying Confucian ideas going back on old China he is the founding myth

right and now every the only thing that people know is Mao really yeah he's creating it so he basically unplug China and plug it back in again yeah and it's more like it's got sort of like Stockholm syndrome

right where there's not he's trying to destroy any other sort of reference points it's now only about his heroics in the Chinese civil war that great long three year walk right the Duke of Edinburgh Award walk to do the camp

where he sucked himself off which we all but that's kind of all you have to go of so it's it I don't know he's just too powerful how could a peasant farmer turn on Mao you know yeah yeah but it also I think the

Western mind find it hard to comprehend because it's just I don't get it either seems very silly seems very silly but can we just dwell on the great leap forward so before we go into it the great leap forward is probably is probably the worst policy of all time yes if you think about an actual policy

Rachel Reeves is getting it in the neck at the moment But let's put it in some context of bad policies, right? You know, I'm up and down about what it is But the great leap forward Is probably the single worst policy Ever created by a person ever? Is it worse than the final solution? I guess is that a political policy?

I guess that I guess that is. Yeah? Yeah. I mean, he didn't campaign on it. No. He wasn't in this manifesto. It wasn't on Ed Miliband's... Ed Stone.

Hit his headstone. Six million jewels. Yeah, I guess I just don't really see... Because this is just done as like a domestic policy as opposed to sort of... Yeah, he's outside number 10 in Beijing with a little red box. And he's like, okay, we're going to steal all the grain. But he's also called it... You know, the final solution, there's like a darkness to that, even in the naming of it.

There's me saying there's a darkness to the final solution. There's something that I find a bit creepy. Is there? Is there something a bit odd about that? But the Great Leap Forward, he's basically... The Great Leaf Ford is like calling it... You know those like chicken shops that like perfect fried chicken. chicken. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like number one best policy ever. Yeah, yeah. That's what he's

called this. He's called this number one to the best policy ever. And it's the worst policy ever. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I find fascinating about the Great League forward is it's actually the worst thing. It's quite Turkish branding. Yes, please, my friend, very good. There's no food poison. This is not. This is complete rubbish. What are you talking about? It's cling film. Number one best policy ever. Kling film over some stuffing. It's leather. Very good. Very good. Very good. Very good. Very good quality. My cousin is well. Beautiful woman you have with you. The Great Leap Forward sends them backwards, fucking a million steps. I mean, this is branding.

This is why Mao is not in the conversation with Hitler, because Hitler is final solution, it's creepy, it's hagg and slaggin, slagging. Mao, smiling, fat, happy, fleshlights in his pockets. Great leap forward, always looking forward. And it's a famine. He basically manufactures a famine. Also, Hitler got caught, knew as caught, blew his brains out. Yeah.

Mao died in his bed with like 15 of his concubines. Wank him off. Wacking him off. He had no idea what was going on. He's involved. Obviously the fleshlights of plastics, so they're still in the coffin. So he didn't really have, he didn't really have his comeuppance. He didn't, he didn't, there's no Nuremberg. No, there's no trailing through it.

And it didn't really affect the West in the same way, so people didn't really talk about it. Yeah, so what happens is, so, so resources start to be misallocated. At some point, right, Mao basically realizes that he's not, the steel production isn't happening on its own because these people are rice farmers. They're making like furnaces out of like piles of mud.

Yeah. And then they're trying to like, I don't know. I don't know how you start making steel. How do you make steel, Charlie? How do I make steel? If we had to make steel in my garden, what, what am I doing? Yeah. If Mao took over again.

I combine iron and carbon at high temperatures and then I, that's molten steel. Right. So you're trying to find iron and you're putting them in a handmade furnace. Yeah. Right. Which is like a bamboo rice steamer, basically. That's what they've got. The lid.

Like it's dim sum. They've got a big pot and they're put in molten iron in that, closing the lid, putting the pot, set up on fire, and waiting for it to turn to whatever. Using iron ore, scrap steel, combining it with flux material and introducing oxygen to the mix. I think in the last step, I'd like to be in control of that. Yeah. If you guys could do the other two, I'd like to be the guy who introduces oxygen to the mix. I'd like, can I have that job?

so Matt Mao's doing this right or the peasant to doing this but it's not working obviously and also

yeah okay so Mao then basically decides I'm going to take all the grain that everyone's growing that I've decided I own

I'm going to send that to Russia and I'm going to buy flat pack factories for making steel at an extortionate price as well

well all the grain and all the country's food I'll swap you the food that I don't need but everyone I can charge of he's like

I'm fat as shit I need to cut I need to cut down he's like I'm just join weight watchers. Bit too much grain for me. Do you want some grain?

I'd really help. I can't have, Mao can't have grain in the house. Yeah. Yeah. Get away from me. I can't, get away from me. I can't have grain in the house.

He goes to Cruceb. He's like, just get away from me. Please, please, take it away. I pray it away. I know me. It'll be 10 o'clock. It'll be 10 o'clock at night. I'll be having a herbal tea.

50 million people died of starvation. Yeah. Egg fried famine. Yeah. That's what this is. Right. So, Mao sends all the grain to Russia

because they need grain because they're fucked as well because they don't know what they're doing so not as fucked no no not as fucked but then then Russia sends them like

flat pack factories like IKEA factories that you can just assemble and start making steel yeah it's like factories it's like a Hollywood film set factory it's like like those fake western towns where you knock it

awfuls over it's like the set so but then people are then too hungry to work in the factory because there's no grain because that's how they got the factory so people then start uh killing each other right so also the way that this is

officiated the new kind of power structures is this cardras is it cadras carders they're the people who are like the commissars they're the people who are in charge of um collectivizing each local area so it's all broken up into areas that are run by carders uh which are in russia would be commissars right yeah uh and they're the ones who are trying to get the uh stats right yes yeah so it's all about data it's all about data and mouse says you have to hit these production quotas yeah he thinks no one's being able to do it but he thinks if you just keeps raising it people will just rise on not the week you've got to have a black guy you got to have a woman yeah you've got to have an Irish person there's a lot of quote you've got to have quotas right yeah

so you think it's diversity quotas yeah it's what Mao's doing it's for you I want rye grain I want wheat grain I want grain of color or whatever we've got mud we've got some muds well that'll do um so Mao's introduced his quotas but these Which no one can meet. No. Right? And these cargers are using their power. So these guys are just using the power they've just been given.

Because they're just random guys, a lot of them. They're like local councillors. Yeah. So like all the... Who are the worst people in the world? It is literally local councillors. Yeah. It's jobs worth train inspectors.

Tickets, please. You're 30 minutes into off peak. You've only got a single odd super off-peak ticket. It's those guys. But the power these guys have is just insane now. It's middle managers have probably never been more powerful than this. Because they control all the food, right? So they decide within their community who's getting food.

Yeah. So if you piss a carger off, he'll just starve you to death. It happened all the time. If there was an attractive woman, he would say, you're having sex to me or so you're not getting half a loaf of bread. There's some horrifying story. That sounds great, to be honest, that sounds great. I mean, if you're one of...

I try to have a moment where we reflect on how horrible this one. If you're one of these nerds... And you cut it off by saying, that sounds great. You're one of these nerds, right? And you finally... you spent all your life been a bullshit train inspector and suddenly you're giving all the bread

and then all the fit women are killing up to have sex with you. Yeah, let's take the carder of just inside. Let's at least explore the history from all angles. But also people start eating each other. This is a bit interested in me. Cannibalism becomes rife.

Yeah. He's that. Matt rife starts eating people. Which is weird because his audience are expecting crowd work. Well, they need to laugh. Yeah, I know. You know how like in generally,

in sort of more impoverished areas, they're better gigs, right? Yes, that is true. Like if you're gigging up north, it's a better crowd than in Kent or Surrey. Yes, because, well, also, they appreciate you coming the furthest. Yeah, so I think when Matt Rice did

tour China during the late 50s, they were, like, loving it. I can't believe he's here. Because it was an hour and a half when they weren't eating each other. so right what's this here you go

so cods often flated agricultural production figures to please superiors yeah I mean I'd do that yeah

well you have to yeah so I just is it's just writing it down then yeah loads of grain yeah we've got loads

this year and by the way when everyone's starving the Mao and these boys they're like oh it's the weather it's shit weather

sorry it's it's it's unlucky they're just blaming on the weather yeah that's their that's their tactic they're blaming

Zeus public humiliation and denounce of individuals deemed right devionationists by carders creating a climate of fear and encouraged people to accuse others to protect themselves so it is just it i mean when you're you're not you and you're hungry as well that's mal's slogan for the great leap forward you're not you when you're hungry i mean that would be an amazing snickers advert yeah what the great leap forward yeah what as in as in the sorry the starving peasants they're eating each other and then mr t

comes in and goes, stop. You're not you when you're hungry. And then it just goes back to being. People died in the, what do you want us to read? They ate their own children. Well, surely the context. Don't just highlight the end. Generally there's context.

Well, I guess the context. People died in the family. They didn't bury the person because they could still collect their food rations. They kept the bodies in bed and covered them up and the corpses were eaten by mites. So it would be. like he would literally be like putting pillows in a bed or like just probably yeah no no no no you granddad when I speak to him no no no no no he's sleeping he's very sleepy

why is there a mouse coming out of his eye socket he's got a pet mouse what's your problem people he's disabled why are you making fun of him because he's got no eyes uh people ate corpses and fought for the bodies in gansu they killed outsides people told me strangers passed through and they killed them and ate them and they ate their own children terrible too terrible um yeah it's it's one of the worst things um there's ever happened

This is the inspiration for Charlie in the chocolate factory. Yes, it is. It's the bucket family. One of them gets a golden ticket. And then they get to go to one of the flat pack factories. And then virut bubble gum. I can't even say it. I can't even know their names.

So the point of it. Boiled pork. Violet boiled pork. And what's the Augustus group? Augustus gloopy fish ice soup. I mean, the other thing is that Chinese, some Chinese food. Is this why they eat fucking everything?

Yeah, 100%. Do you reckon because they have a famine like baked into their culture for like 10, 20 years that now, deaf, they're eating pig dicks, they're eating duck twats, they're eating...

And Anten Degh isn't forcing them to do it. This isn't for the jungle. It's not, I'm a Chinese celebrity to get me out of here. This is like high-end restaurants that are like, what do you want for a starter? Oh yeah, I'll have a,

I'll have a pig stick soup. It's a huge part of a lot of cuisines. It's famine culture, right? Anything, it's like, how the fuck they come up with this? They had nothing. What, cricket soup? Yeah, that was all you had. But in Britain, I guess we haven't had that many famines, have we?

No, we've caused quite a few. Oh, yeah? But that's probably why our food's so shoo. Yes, it's true. Because we weren't experimenting. No. Potatoes and beef again. Yep.

Got loads of that. We'll make shepherds buy. We're not looking out there. We don't know what Robin tastes like. You're right. If there was a famine here, we would have. We'd be eating robins. Of course we'd be eating robins.

Squirrels. Of course we'd be eating squirrels. Badgers? Are you kidding me? I'd love to eat a badger. Love a badger, actually. That'd be nice. Badger knows.

TB, though, isn't it? What's that? Oh, has it got lots of TB? TB is in badgers, which is why, part of the reason why you can't eat it. Okay. But I'm pretty sure, I reckon, I reckon. Too badgery. Because seagulls, I've always thought, we should eat seagulls.

Definitely. Because they're huge. They should be a Christmas bird. They're massive. Well, this is why we need to take. But I researched this. I think they've got a lot of poison in them. Ah, that's why.

Because they eat rubbish. I think that's just... You're eating sea, are you? No, that's just liberal propaganda. Do you think so? That's the... There's a lot of, you know, this is a very cautionary tale for the Chinese

about ways not to run a society. But I do think the experimenting with different tons of meats is something we could definitely learn from the Chinese. Yeah, that's true. I think we're way too conservative. It's a conservative with what we eat. Yeah, I mean, I'm always trying to like, I'm always going for like tripe and shit.

it on the menus. Apparently is... Let's eat that. Who the fuck's that? Yeah. What's that? Look at that beautiful. Yeah, let's see that. The Chinese, they... I mean, yeah, you bring a Chinese friend over here. He's got... He's got a pot when he sees a seagull. He's trying to put it in the pot. Yeah, they're trying to catch seagulls. You all see him down Blackpool with a net trying to catch seagulls. Put them in a pot. Chinese are always doing that.

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because this is fucking mental and people don't know about this is peak madness this is insane you've driven a country insane when people are doing this right all right so I don't know

what Mao's so Mao's getting a lot of the information even though there's a lot of detailed logging of what was happening it's not all under the rug like there

it might not have been showed to Mao but there is in detail all of these stories are being documented they know full well that this is happening yeah right

but obviously even though anyone who questions Mal gets killed, there are grumbling starting to happen the fact that... Stomach rumblings. People are very hungry. Everyone's around the table going...

Yeah, exactly. And he's like, what's that? And he goes, nothing, nothing. So then he needs to come up with the reason why his policies are clearly not working. Yes. So he blames the sparrows for eating the grain.

The grain. Yeah. So sparrows eat grain. So Mao decides... This is like a light bulb moment. Yeah, it's like, oh, I don't. know, I know, I know, I know. He's in the bath, he goes, Eureka.

Let's fucking annihilate sparrows. So that becomes the next policy. And he gets people to mass murder sparrows. And they, they, how they do this is they play music under trees so that the sparrows can't go to sleep so that they just drop out of the sky. It's not just music, it's, um, COVID, uh, key workers bashing your pots together. Everyone's out It's very similar to that actually

Everyone's at 6th on a Thursday Everyone's going Clap for the NHS People are doing this so long This is a way of killing sparrows They're doing it for so long That the sparrows die from exhaustion Because they have nowhere to land

Yeah Which I didn't know Because sparrows need somewhere quiet To I don't know I don't know you could kill a sparrow By banging a pot together so long If you just follow a sparrow around banging a pot

It will die So they manage to kill all the sparrows They kill every sparrow in China Because it's like this huge campaign that every sparrow you see it's fucking open season. It's the enemy. Yeah. Yeah. Because he, once again, he can only really work with enemies now. His whole thing, you're fighting something.

That's the only, he can't be a peacetime leader. So now he's defeated all his enemies. Who are he going to do the fucking sparrows? He's so, he's such a cunt. He got all the way down to sparrows. This guy. He killed so many of his own people. He went, who's next? Sparrows, those little birds. Hitler died in the bus.

bunker. Yeah. Mow survived. He kept going, though. You live, you live too long. You can live too long. What? You either die a hero or live long enough to kill everyone.

Do you know that Batman quote? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're saying about Hitler? Hitler died of hero. And Mao lived long enough to kill sparrows. So, but the hilarious thing is they kill every sparrow. They have a full-on sparrow holocaust. Every sparrow is dead.

And then, because the sparrows aren't there, all the bus, don't have an apex predator and so the bugs just start eating the bugs are the problem the sparrows really helped the sparrows were controlling the bugs it turns out the sparrows are one of the only things helping stop the famine to be honest

so now there's now a basically a fucking plague of locusts that is man-made I mean Mao is God isn't it he's playing God but he's like an incompetent god right yeah he's the worst god ever but it's not

it's not a god with his wrath right? It's a god having ideas that don't work, right? It's like an evil. This isn't Satan. But there's nothing more dangerous than a stupid guy who thinks he's clever. Yeah, exactly. But that's what it's quite fascinating about this story. Yeah. Is like Hitler.

Clever guy. But the final solution, he was killing these people, but that's exactly what we wanted to do. Yes. Yeah. He was executing it too well. Efficiently killing people, which is like he wanted to do that.

Yeah. That's what's kind of interesting about Mao is that's not what he wanted. No. He just completely fucked it. He just fucked it. He wanted to build China as it is today. So the guy that comes after him out goes, right, forget about all that. Yeah.

Let's just open up and... And now you know what happens with the sparrow thing after this? Because they realize that they need sparrows. Yeah. They then also start sending food and paying the Soviet Union to bring sparrows back. Oh my gosh. So Soviet Union to send truckloads of sparrows back into China. It's like Chelsea paying 50 million.

pounds of Fernando Torres. Yeah. He's then shit. They sell him off and then they go, fuck, we need a striker. Yeah. So then they buy Fernando Torres back for the 50 million again. More.

More. More, 20 million. Yeah. Have more money. We need someone. Yeah. You sold Fernando Torres for 20 million. You bought him back for $100 million.

Yeah. Mal slogan, rending. Go on. No, no. Stay it with your chest. No, no, no, no two goes at any of these. It's first go. I'm going to do the first go.

Mow slogan, rending sheng Tian, meaning man must conquer nature, became the rallying cry for murdering sparrows. Great. The Four Pests Campaign is what it was called. Eradicate pests and diseases and build happiness for 10,000 generations. Can we get a poster up for the four? Because there's always great posters.

Well, this is the other thing is that communist artwork is better than... Communist artwork is better than any other... It's the best. Tyrannical artwork. Yeah, Soviet staff, North Korean stuff. It's the strong farmers, right? Yeah. A lot of Soviet art, because actually,

communism is quite very bad for art in general yeah the one thing it's great for is kind of empowering propaganda it's beautiful look at these amazing is that so that's a sword going through a sparrow and a fly yeah um which i don't that wouldn't get that doesn't seem very positive and a mouse and a mouse i mean that oh it's the four pest campaign so it's not just sparrows it's flies and but that could so the woman who ate the the the is it the woman who ate the fly to eat the She ate a fly She swallowed a fly And then she ate a mouse

To catch the fly Yeah Perhaps she'll die Yeah so that's what Where he got the idea He heard that He heard that We need to do that

We need to do that We start eating Let's kill them fly Okay we'll get the mouse as well I mean amazing But what What communism was terrible for Was theatre

Yeah Awful theatre Because you can't I'd say capitalism I'd say theatre's just quite bad In general I'd say it's just pretty boring

Well They push it to its zenith I think Of boring theatre because you can't have any theatre that questions the current system. And to be honest, that's the only way you can have theatre. Theatre has to go, well, racism is bad, didn't it? Like, it has to have that.

It can't be like, well, everything's brilliant, right? That's not, you can't have a show like that. What, everything's brilliant? You can't be like, oh, well, you can't have a show saying Kirstarmer's doing a great job. But that's not a, that's not a play. No, it's not a play. But it's difficult for me to do it because I just think all players are boring. Yeah.

Because they're plays. Yeah. Again, I've said this about Kennedy. I don't think Kennedy was assassinated. I don't think Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. I think he got so bored watching a play that his head exploded. I think that's what happens. I think he was just like, and his head just popped because he was watching a play.

And it was the most boring thing that he'd ever seen. That moment when you're watching a play and you go to the toilet and you're no longer in that, that feeling. That is the best feeling you'll ever have as a man. It's unbelievable. You're like, you almost go to see the play to go and have a piss halfway through. Well, it's just, it's reminding yourself that life could be a lot worse. It's like, when you, it's like running, swimming in mud, then makes swimming easier. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's going to a play makes normal life seem really interesting. Well, yeah, that's why middle class people is like, I complain about so much, then you go to a play. Well, at least I'm not watching a play anymore. I always think about that moment in Peep Show where they're watching the play and Jess goes, we could be watching heat. I think about that every time we watch a play. And it's not very often. I even went to watch the play

because my dad's drama teacher loves plays full on play he's a play guy That's what's so funny is your dad No one can love plays more than your dad No one loves plays more than my dad My dad loves plays He talks about plays They live in Oxford

They commute to London Two times a week they're seeing plays Right He's always talking about the plays just seen And I'm like I don't know I don't care I think plays are boring Anyway

Can't you just talk about football Like normal dads Please can we talk about football Anyway I'm straight And my dad's disappointed in me Yeah He raised you gay

And I've renounced him Yeah, because you're a riotous teen You know, you're rebelling against your upbringing Yeah, exactly Mom, Dad, I'm straight You ripped off the denim cut off booty shorts Yeah When I turned 18

I don't give a fuck, I'm straight dad I'm straight now Under my roof Under my roof You are You will watch plays With me Um

Anyway, West's den girls um so uh the christmas whenever it was they bought us tickets to go and see the garrath southgate play christ because dad's like okay maybe he'll like this yeah football but i tell you what that there's no like a play that's just boring but it's a play you're like fine a play that's trying to make people like plays who would never like plays yeah because it's just football as a play and it's like guys footballers are not the most articulate or literal people and you're giving them fucking you're you There's no way Harry Kane said that.

But it's also like, you have to wait a bit longer before you make a play about something. You can't have, do they have Jesse Lingard in it? Yeah, Jesse Lingard's in it. You can't have a play with Jesse. It's like, you can do that in like 50 years. You can talk about Jesse Lingard. But Jesse Lingard's like 32.

He's on Instagram now. You can't have a, you can't show on stage. But like, you can't even show football being played on stage. So that what happens is they play sound effects of the crowd. And then the actors, the actors, the actor's mime kicking a ball. And you're like, what the fuck you do? I can just be watching football.

I could just watch. football now. I'd rather watch old football than this new football play. So what other football players were in that play? Reheme Sterling. Reheme Sterling, Harry Kane. Yeah. Was Eric Dyer in there? Yeah, Eric Dyer's in there. Eric Dyer shouldn't be on... Eric Dyer shouldn't be a character in a play. No. He's barely a character in real life. Boring country. There is. Debuted at the National Theatre.

National Theatre. So when you're playing Eric Dyer. What are you? I'm an actor. I just played Eric Dyer at the National Theatre. That's the sign of a sick culture. Danny Rose. Daddy Rose. What the fuck is going on? Do you know what? I've said this before. I think we need a Mao to culturally revolutionise

this country. It's sick. There's a play where Eric Dyer is a character. Something's deeply wrong with this country. And people are going to see it in their droves. As an actor played him. What are you doing? I'm playing Eric Dyer at the National Theatre.

What is that like a Shakespeare character? No, Eric Dyer, the footballer for Donovan Hotspur. What? He's still playing. He's not even that good. He's not interesting. He's been the least interesting He's got a big head

He's a bad player What's the story Does he have some kind of struggle No, he's on 100 grand a week somehow Christ Yeah Anyway So we're coming around to Mao

My point is Capitalism doesn't exactly make great theatre either So Anyway we should get to the The end So the consequences of the great leap forward Not good It's a case of one step

one leap forward, two leaps back, really, isn't it? One great leap forward? Five great leaps back. What is it? Estimated 15 to 45 million people died. Those numbers, he's not fucking about. No one's touching those numbers. Hitler's not touching that.

Stalin's not talking. How many people die in World War II, Charlie, across all theatres. And that's a theatre. That's a theatre of war. That's all I like. I'd go watch a theatre of war. Can we see the Pacific Theatre of World War II? As opposed to Eric Dyer.

Can I see the North African theater? Okay, 50 million to 85 million, right? That's across the whole world. Low estimate of World War II, number of deaths. Mal's done that in five years. It's not even a war. It's not a war. It's in peacetime.

It's not even a war. He's the goat. No one's touching him. And this isn't even... No one's punched themselves in the head more times than Mao. It's just... And this isn't even his best bit. This isn't even messy...

Who are he fighting? this isn't even this isn't even as crowning glory that's still to come we're still in the 50s yeah this Messi hasn't even

won the World Cup yeah you think Messi's gonna that's his peak you don't even so you think that he's won the Champions League

the Champions League is the new World Cup the World Cup he'll fade away because the Champions League is the highest standard fuck that

he's gonna win the World Cup yeah right so we're gonna get on to that in the next episode somehow

we've got a third episode on Mao that'll be out on Sunday yeah so to sum up Mao did a big no no

big poopie everyone's star to death yeah the worst named policy the biggest kind of overstatement of a policy

the biggest manmade disaster in history he is still called the Great Leak Forward I mean how is that can we change it can we campaign as this podcast

to change the name of the Great Leak Forward as the number one fuck up of all time what is also interesting is that in modern day China they don't talk about it at all

really like imagine having that in your history 55 million because it's too awkward because the modern Communist Party, they still have Mao on the Fabin City, the founding myth of the authority of their power comes from Mao's struggle.

Yeah, in the Chinese Civil War. So it's just, I think they eventually will talk about it. So it's a bit like now, everyone having portraits of Liz Truss hanging. Yeah. And they were like, didn't she fuck the mortgage market? You're like, no, no, no, no. Well, I guess it's sort of like having a gay experience

with a close friend on a holiday and never talking about it again. Right. Like it... But you've got it framed on your war. Yeah, frame it out. What's that up there? Is that you suck it off your best friend?

No. But the tension's there. We don't talk about that. We don't talk about that. But it's on your wall. Yeah, but you always think about it, and there's a trauma deeply embedded. And on 10 Downey Street, there is a massive portrait of you sucking off your friend. We don't talk about that.

We don't talk about that. But we bow down to it. What happens to Santi stays on Santi? So, anyway, there's a great Chinese famine that goes on to about 61. And by great, it means bad. Yeah, again. Great. forward, bad leap forward.

Bad famine. Famin's a bad. This podcast, anti-fammon. Although, it does result in some pretty wacky food at the other end of it. Yeah, and we both love Asian food. Love Asian food. Love Asian food. Do you know what? Great leap forward. I think it can keep us name. Well, yeah, we seem to get a lot of the pros and none of the cons.

The great leap forward for Asian cuisine. That's what, the great leap forward brackets for Asian cuisine. Yeah, everyone was like Heston Blumenthal by the end of it. Yeah, because that's all they had. They had right. We've got some guy's head. We got my, I got my dad's head. and I've got a pig's dick what am I going to do it's like the most

fucked up method Fuged up episode The Rucorne Ready Steady Cook Has ever been Hello Lenda What have you brought

I've got my son's corpse I've got my son's corpse I've got my son's corpse In a bag And then see how it's like Ooh What are we going to do with that Well

We've got some soy sauce And a bit of coal Red peppers Or green tomatoes Whatever the fuck it is, start your clocks. Oh my God. Christ. Anyway, the political repercussions of this, we should end on this.

Eventually, it gets so bad that all Mao's boys are so hungry, they go, boss, you fuck this. Wait, it's one guy, and it's a very brave man. It's, I think, Peng Di Quo, Peng Di Hao. No, is Li Shaqi. Li Shaqi, what's his name? Li Shao Kyi. Lee shall key right so this guy

Lou shall key Lou shall key yeah right Lou shall key who's termed a pragmatist because he thinks people should eat food

rather than their own children you fucking centrist you moderate he's like a what do you mean what do you mean eating it do you think maybe it's sensible

just to eat food fuck pussy traitor what do you mean he's a centrist what do you don't want to eat porridge

right so Lee shall she Lee shall she is second in command pretty much yeah right and he's loved win the party

he's a loyal servant and also within the mythos of the Chinese Civil War he's still he's considered a hero so he's not someone who Mao

he's one of the most powerful people that Mao can't just take out like that but also it should be stressed as a side note all the most

powerful people under Mao they're skinny as well everyone is losing weight but no one's talking about it apart from Mao

it's like a Zen pic no one's talking about how everyone's skinny yeah but there's clearly something going on now's getting fat and in in 19601

he gets up and he basically broaches the topic. And this is at a big conference. Big conference. This is a huge moment. Broaches for the first time. Anyone's every time.

It's just, I mean, it's kind of awkward, where it's just like millions of people are dying, but no one's talking about it. A male sat there and he basically calls him out and he's like, I reckon this is on you, big guy. Yeah. And you know that shot, which is now going to be quite historic of Donald Trump

when Obama's roasting him at the correspondence in it. It's that, yeah. Where he's just saying some sort of joke about how Trump will never be president. And then you get that sideways shot. shot of his sort of silhouette just being... And you almost want to set it to the curb music soon.

Doodoo do, do you do to do it. So Mao has that moment where he goes, not now. Not now. But soon, you will be punished for that.

And it's a little precursor to this, to the next episode. It is the coldest revenge has ever been served. And it's extraordinary. Anyway, on that bombshell, we'll see you for part three

of our chairman of Mao series. Again, that's already on the Patreon. Yeah. You can sign up for three pounds a month become a truth there. Don't search the topic or fact checkers.

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