Fin vs History - No N-Word November (with Red Richardson!) | The People vs O.J. Simpson (Part 3/4)

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

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We can't know merch. Chicks love it famously. You join us once again on Finn versus History for part three of the OJ Simpson story and we're with Red Richardson. Hello. Another white guy with a mustache. I mean, yeah, this is the dream team.

This is the dream team. This is the podcast dream team. For a certain type of loser, this is... They can't believe it. They can't believe it. This is Mount Rushmore for unemployed guys.

But yeah, OJ, it's a very racially charged issue so we thought we'd get the only black guy we know on. who's called red. That's the least white guy who knows. A guy who's called red. And we were saying that you basically look like a cross-of-toe me and Finn. That could be, yeah, no, yeah.

So we thought we need to hear what this guy has to say about this. OJ is one of my heroes, friend of the pods. He's a friend of the pod. Your opinion of the man? Big OJ man. Naked gun was part of my childhood. Yeah. As was him killing his wife.

Yeah. No, it's huge. He was... It's weird because in lockdown, I watched the BBC do you remember that? We've watched an ESPN 10. Okay, well the BBC put out of six part of lockdown. For the first four, if they'd ended it there, you go, that was one of the best guys that's ever lived. You know, if he'd have been killed by a cop in 1976, yeah.

If I only, there'd be statues everywhere. If Mark Furman had killed him, can you imagine? Well. That song has anyone seen, my friend, O.J. That would be one of the lyrics. Yeah. I mean, Charlie. Look at him.

He was a great-looking guy. He had a brilliant voice. And he stayed pretty much gorgeous. He aged unbelievably well. Up until the end. For someone who was doing that much and drinking that much, it was amazing how good he looked.

But he had so many iterations of him. There was the world-class sports star. Yeah. Brilliant comedy actor. Yeah. The other bit, which I usually, I skip past chapter. Pran ambassador.

Proud father and loyal husband. Until the end. Yep. And then he was the best guy on Twitter for ages. in a sea of negativity, he would come out and go, be nice to each other. When he got out of jail,

and he was doing it. He's not the messenger we wanted. He's the one we needed. Yeah, yeah, no, he's absolutely brilliant. So we got up, last episode, we got up to the Bronco chase. He was sucking on a revolver in the back of the Bronco.

And then everyone was like, think of your kids. And they were like, I don't say that, he's going to kill himself. Yeah. So he's now been arrested. He's in,

custody and he is forming a defence team. They get known as the Dream team. And as you said before we start recording they're all fucking crooks. They're amazing. Biggest scumbags. I mean, yeah, it turns into GTA from here or else. Every character is a cutscene in GTA. Yeah. One of them got

Michael Jackson off the year before. The Pito stuff. Off what? The Pito stuff. So I think it was... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you saying about Michael Jackson? Yeah, we all not have this sort of slander. One of them cleared his rightful... Yeah, his innocence basically. But then there was the other guy

was the Boston Strangler's guy, wasn't there? Right. Now, who is the Boston Strangler? He doesn't sound like, if you're called that, I guess you're, he strangled 13 women in the 60s.

And he got him off? He got him off. No, he didn't get him off, but he defended him. Right. But I see OJ went, I need to speak,

I need a load of guys. Who'll defend anyone? They will defend anyone. Yeah. You know, and get me off. That is, that is up. That is up. We are drinking.

We could have turned up. Yeah. You know, they're on 50K a day. It's pretty spicy. Christ. I also reckon we could have done the same defence whereas the prosecution concentrate on the blood evidence and the DNA

and the domestic violence, the defence basically go oh shit, man. Hey man, help the brother out. I mean, I could have had that. You know what I mean? The guy who found the glove was Adolf Hitler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you're not even joking.

He says that. He calls him Hitler. He calls him Hitler. Yeah, well, he'll confirm an Hitler at him, yeah. We will get to it. So, OJ pleads not guilty. on the charges of homicide. But I did kill my wife.

We were saying, Red, in the last couple of episodes, that he is a cunning man who is ultimately still thick. Yes, yes. Quite a deadly combination. We've got a lot of different combos on this show. He's a charming and thick up.

He's like a pastor or something. But he plans. He can still, he's still schemes and he's stupid. It's so obvious. It's him in a white bronco going the wrong side of the road. Yeah, he's got a white car covering red blood. Yeah.

Did you cover that when they, found him he had a fake mustache. Yeah, yeah. We did. We're all wondering if it was one of those Chinese long ones. Yeah, yeah. A mustache works

on a white guy. It's just going to be a hojo with like pretending to be Mexican trying to get in. Hey, man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So on Time magazine, they stick

his photo up and the headline is an American tragedy. And then this, this is where, so he's basically been like a non-racial white guy for his entire career. Yeah, but this has never been a part of his. No. And then they,

I'm not black emoji. Yeah. And they Photoshop him to make his skin darker. Yeah. I don't know, like, what that's saying? I guess... What's the white version of that? You just Photoshop like a cold play t-shirt on the guy.

You can only see his eyes and it's just completely blown out. But, yeah, I don't... Because he's already... I don't know what they're doing. I think it's more of a dramatic picture. Yeah. It's the lighting, isn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. They've gotten a lot of shit for that. But that was, like, seen as, like, the turn of, all right, this is racial. Yeah, yeah. His lawyers just jumped on everything. Yes. So let's talk about the lawyers. You've got Robert Shapiro.

Yeah. Good guy. Who's like a Hollywood fixer. A great man. Yeah. What is it, Charlie? Is that Ben Shapiro's dad? No.

No. But Ben Shapiro is cousins of Matilda, the girl who played Matilda. Yeah. Do you know that? What in the film? Yeah. Wow. That's Ben Shapiro's cousin.

And she's all... What the fuck? It's really great, isn't it? He's always on Twitter, calling him a scumbad. Yeah. And he's like, you one hit, one a cunt. Really? Yeah.

That's crazy. It's like a family feud. Right, so Robert Shapiro is no relation to Matilda or Ben Shapiro. Johnny Cockran is my favourite. He is, like, probably the biggest black lawyer that was. Incredible. Like a celebrity lawyer. So many good phrases that have come from him.

But he's like an actor lawyer. He's like Don Quay is what he was. Johnny Comptory. He's the guy who hosts. Of the Creek Blackout. Yeah. The Blackout. Shout out of Johnny Cottrain comedy, though.

Yeah. Him and In Al Tomlinson do a kids show. Yeah. But that's very much not Johnny Cochran. That's where he went. He went, you know what, I'm done with this law stuff. I'm going to become an MC. So Johnny Cochran was like big civil rights lawyer.

His whole career has been basically getting black guys off police brutality. But he's civil rights. But he only has one type of client which is guilty rich black guys. If you're an innocent poor black guy, you go fuck yourself, you know. But he's who he defended Michael Jackson. But he also understands what the black community want to see for a PR perspective. They want big. So he's going around like a purple car.

Yeah, yeah. It's like crazy. Yeah, yeah. He's had his bodyguards for a nation of Islam. Yeah. Black supremacists. Yes, yes. Which I had to Google,

he's like, what is a, what's a black supremacists? You never hear about the black supremacists. So because when he was accusing everyone being Hitler, they went, your guys are literally saying we should kill the Jews. You would, you know. But he would wear, so he wear African print ties.

Eight women walking in with him like, like Cat Williams Special. Yeah. He had a gold microphone. Yeah. It's like doing your black. It's like doing a black gig. It's like Bernie Matt. He's got pictures of his face on his trousers.

I'm scared you, motherfucker. Then you've got Robert Kardashian, who's backstory we've dealt with. Robert Kardashian is the least involved as an actual lawyer. He's come on basically... Well, he interned. He volunteered. Yeah, because he wasn't...

He was semi-retired. And it was just because he was... And O.J. was best man at his wedding. Yeah. So he basically thought, my friend's in trouble. He had to get his license back to do it. Yeah. My friends in trouble, I'm at least going to...

do what I can for a huge amount of money. His wife, Chris, who I think he may have divorced by this point, was good friends from Nicole. She's now with Caitlin. You were saying earlier to me that Chris was cheating on Robert. Yeah. With Bruce Jenner. Yeah, she had the affair with Bruce, Caitlin.

And then they were apparently in a commercial for like his thighs. So he was fucking Robbers freaking out because every day on the TV, it was his wife and her new man. And it was like, she's like oiling up his life. It's a whole fucking, the whole cesspit. is all about the future. So what do you think's going to happen? Bitcoin is sort of inevitable at this point. I think it would come down to precious metals.

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he's one of the most telegenic guys Who was Carl Douglas in him? He's the one who worked for Johnny Cochran's firm He's not the guy that sung Kung Fu Fighting That's a different Carl Douglas And then Flee Bailey Who you mentioned

Who's the white guy Who had defended the Boston Strangler And as you said They cost them 50,000 day To maintain this So the whole defence Costs him between 3 and 6 million dollars

Which now must be like 30 million Oh yeah But he made $3 million in jail from signing autographs. Printed money. I mean, it's amazing. He's just sad. His fingers must have been. No wonder you can put the fucking glove on.

He'd be on cameo now, wouldn't he? Hello. He was on cameo? I think he must have been on cameo. Oh, yeah. He was on cameo. That's a missed opportunity from all of us. The dream was to get on internet, but he only lived like two years after jail.

He'd be intimidated. He'd do it. He'd do it. though? What, he'd kill you? Yeah. When he died, someone on Twitter said something, they went, no, poor O.J. Simpson, he died never knowing he'd killed his wife.

So the judge is Lance Edo. Edo. Who is an Asian American, because I guess you've got to go. Let's go neutral. Referee. Referee. I love that. You never see, you never see an Asian judge.

No. Any sort of like courtroom drummer or anything like that. It's the only time. But they're in L.A. is like, right. It's Asa Akira or it's this guy. Like, who are we going to get? Not Mickey Rooney and Breakfast of Tiffany's.

That's not. No. What is going on? It could have been. Could have been him. It could have been in. We don't know. His whole trial is so racially charged. Let's get Mickey Rooney.

The only thing we can do this is a white guy in yellow face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're always, they're talking about like how we can't make this a race war in a courtroom. Yeah. But from the off, it's a race war in a courtroom. They're like, right, we're going to have an Asian judge.

I guess, yeah. There's been that whole thing that we covered earlier just after Rodney King, where the Korean woman in the grocery shop and just shot a black girl from behind. So then it starts kicking off between the Koreans and the blacks. But this is all pre-Rush Hour. Which kind of healed those wounds.

It was like sort of Mandela effect. Rush hour is sort of... Peace of reconciliation. Yeah, okay. But the prosecutor is led by a woman called Marcia Clark. Yeah. Who... Disaster.

Yeah. It's very, very funny. She's got an awful perm. Yeah. And she thinks everyone loves her. Yeah. Particularly African-American woman. Even though they polled that they fucking hate that bitch.

So basically she's seen as the ultimate caron. Because didn't she's the original caron? Didn't she say, she was said something like, no, I can really, I can really talk to African American women. And that's like, you know, that's like three glasses chardonnay and be like, don't worry, I've got this. I speak jive sisters. It's Tarantino whenever he does the press chal. We're not a blank. Yeah, what y'all is saying.

Put some little Kim on, y'all. We're going chicken and waffles after this, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Turn around to a white friend's like, I got this. Yeah, yeah. Do you think the Karen haircut is based off this lady? No, I think it's just, this is before the word Karen had come in. Yeah.

She was a dumb white lady who read one. Yeah. Yeah. Read one my angelo book and was like, I get it. I fucking get it. What one. This is why we got read it. We need a balance

On a very complicated trial She was a dumb white lady In red one might have to be A counterweight to our bullshit Yeah Stupid, stupid, stupid woman, idiot Anyway But she didn't know who OJ is

Do you know that? She didn't have a clue So she was completely Apparently, She just listened to the doors And that was about her only thing She did apart from law Well, a lot of white people

By this point, Because this is like, what, this is 20 years after he, well, 15 years after we'd stopped playing football A lot of people just think he's a film star. Yeah. So, a lot of people, which he was. And an innocent film star.

So by the end of 94, only 10% of African Americans believe that OJ is guilty. Yeah. And then basically all the whites believe he is guilty. Yeah. So it doesn't be interesting because we've got a lot of identity politics now. Race has a big issue now. But it felt just different than when it was literally like you're on teams. Yeah.

Here it's complicated. And it's like there's like there's victims and there's intersectionality. But here it's like it's black team versus white team. Yeah. It was a lot more cut and dry. His tops on, tops off. Yeah, there was no, there was no like... Ayan guy and goal.

You were like far left women going, maybe she should have died because she was taking up space. Which could happen now. She was a white woman. Have you seen Naked Gunn recently? I've watched it many times. It's weak because it almost makes it better.

Of course it makes it better. And it's such a perfect film to have a guy who killed his wife in because it's so silly. So them taking, picking the jury takes ages because they're like trying to find people that aren't black or white in L.A. Mickey Rooney. I mean, again,

12 yellow face sacked, 12 Mickey Rooney. Also, because it was going to go on so long, they were like, they couldn't find anyone who could have that had that much time to spare. Which must always be a problem in big trials. Oh, yeah, it was like six months of someone's life, wasn't it? Yeah, it's longer.

It was like nearly a year. So you're looking at the same pool of people who go to like watch Pointless being recorded. Yeah. That is it. It's elderly people in the unemployed. It's a deal fan. It's deal on O'Don's. Not Noel Edmunds stands. A studio audience is what it was.

And they've got someone's two people's lives in their hands. Yeah. Yeah. And Johnny Cochran is Noel Edmonds, telling them like a story. What's in the box? What's in the box? But what's crazy about the jury?

Because also you're not meant to have any contact with the outside world, right? No. You're not meant to speak to any of the other jurors. So you go back to the hotel room. You don't speak to anyone. Yeah. For a year. You should go mental.

It was like lockdown for a year for them. And they can't leave their room. Yeah. Can't speak to anyone. can't put the news on. They're all going mad. Yeah. And so I think that's by the end of it.

They're all like, fuck it, I don't care. So more of them are obviously working on lower middle class, which, I mean, then people think this may have affected how seriously the scientific evidence was taken. I mean, that's quite a big leap for people. Oh, yeah, it's interesting. They're a bit spicy from the plan. They were thick, they're low middle class. They're idiots.

Therefore, they're thick black magic voodoo worshippers. They don't know what DNA is. But the final makeup of the jury is, Nine people were black, two were white, one Hispanic guy. Ten women, two men. They should all be Hispanic. They should have. The Hispanic guy, every time he came in the room, they all just went.

Ten women, two men, which... Weirdly... That's not fair on OJ to be honest. But why is it black women are nearly all of the jury? Ah, that makes a big difference, doesn't it? That ends up making a huge difference. Yeah. What were they thinking?

Well, no, it's more that they were looking for people who were free. Okay. In an area of LA that's very diverse. Right. Because there's a big thing about whether they do it in the Watts County Jail. Yeah, exactly.

Or they do it in Brentwood. Santa Monica or whatever. Because Brentwood's where the crime happened. It would be a huge pool of white jurors. Oh, he'd be dead on one. I think even the defense wanted to do it in Watts. Yeah.

Because they wanted to make sure that if they won, it wasn't seen as the white. Because it's post-Rodney King. It's post the other career. So both sides did want it. in this area. Yeah. So the trial begins on the 24th of January

1995. Should we place this for our thick listeners? 19905, do you want to play this? I mean, you said, before or after. You used to host a history podcast.

Yeah. Sort of. Yeah. It was a history podcast. It was great. This is a lot, lot, yeah. Do you want to name one event before

1995 and one event after so that people can see kind of what happened. What happened? What happened? But your old podcast was you would go through a year. No one year. We basically read off Wikipedia.

And, And that was better. My name's Phoebe, but... So, what happened? First Twin Tower attack, 9093, should we say? Oh, interesting. This is... Our fans will gobble that.

Because that's tight as well. You've cushioned it. And then Princess Diana, 96. Oh, no. Bust. Bust everywhere that. Yeah, yeah. That's beautiful.

Licking up, boys. Unemployed member of the neckbeards. I mean, actually, it's between... Between the failed 9-11 attack and the real 9-11 attack, it's kind of like the end. Yeah, it is. It is. The first one.

But the successful Diana attack. Yeah. by her driver. Or OJ. We don't know. He would have loved to have done that. He was free. Where was he on the night of August 31st?

Did you find out where OJ was on the night of Dionis death? Was he in Paris? And probably was an hour of Dionys saying the N-word somewhere as well. So now the first mistake arguably the prosecution make is they basically see that Johnny Cochran and his team are wearing essentially a, coming in with like African hats, African ties, hey man. And then they're like, right, we're two white people. And maybe this woman isn't as popular with the black woman if she thinks.

So they're like, we need a black guy. Yeah. So they get this guy called Chris Darden, who I think is probably one of the most interesting characters in the story, actually. Because he's like a... The most complicated things going on. He's like a ego in the show they made. He's like a prodigy of Johnny Cochran. Yeah.

And he's kind of like... He's trying to prove that he's better than Cochran anyways. This is his most... Kobe versus Jordan sort of thing. Yeah, kind of. To use it racially. What made you think of that?

Just two successful people in their fields. Now, the big thing the trial starts with is a meeting to decide whether the court and the jury could hear the use of the N-word. Which is a similar... Similar meeting.

We have similar meetings. Every day we have that meeting. We put our head together. Should we use it today? No, okay. He said we could use it. He gave us the end word point. Yeah, right.

Hands them out. I asked. I asked. He's called red. So, basically, one of the key witnesses for the defence was the man who found the glove. Police officer Mark Furman. Upstanding gentleman of law. Just cares about protecting the community.

Great man. A great man. Yeah. Friend of the pod, Mark Furman. Go police. Somehow, I don't know how, Mark Furman, they find some records where he has used the N-word a lot.

He wasn't singing along to a song. How many times is a lot, though? You can make your own mind, that listeners. 12 hours of recording it. That's a lot. I wonder if you could, yeah, how long would the Supercut be with Mark and Mark and Samman saying the end-war? He definitely wasn't launching a rap album.

Yeah, but just do it for an hour, Mark. Yeah, that's... Twelve hours is a lot. It's egregious. Do it into a pillow. Like, don't mind if he's screaming it on tape. And didn't he say he hadn't said it in ten years, which is already... It's like he was an addict.

That sounds like... I'm doing no N-word November. I always break. I've been clean for a decade. I can't even say homo. I'll wake up in an N-word alley three days later. It's a gateway. Sucking a wrapper off for an N-word past.

So the prosecution get Darden, the black guy to be like, don't use the N-word. And then they say like, it's too, it makes black people too angry. They won't be able to actually listen to the case. Well, he's saying this to the jury. That's one of his opening. Right.

Johnny Cochran's then like, shit. And he says, end word, please. Yeah. Right? Because he's just blacking it up to fuck. That's his strategy. And he says... And he says...

They're basically any mistake by the defense, the prosecution, the defense just jumps and make a huge... Furman must have been sweating when he was seeing him say it. Just like, oh, fucking, fuck. He just wanted to relapse. But then Cochran then implies that the prosecution lawyers are racist by implying that black people can't, like, hear the word and not get riled up. Yeah. That's my opinion as well.

Cockman's basically just chumming up the war. It's patronising for me not to say it. Yeah, yeah. What's crazy is that the trial is like, it's like fucking match of the day. It's highlights on every night. Yeah. And so what's the stat about productivity? One company records a $40 billion loss of productivity.

I don't understand that. I don't know what that means. What company could that possibly go? Where'd you get that? Because surely that's bollocks. Yeah, who would that be? The entire US national economy. Yeah, that's important.

America is the company. Yeah, the company's America. It's not. That makes sense. I think one company losing $40 billion. What is going on? How have you left? Is that a bank that shut for six months?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your nurse is just watching the trial. When Boris is, Elson meets Bill Clinton in 1995. He asked Clinton, do you think OJ did it? I mean, it's like... What is he didn't say? I wonder?

I think Bill... Bill stuck out of it, though. Bill didn't get involved. No, he probably shagged O.J.'s wife at some point. But there's also, wasn't there a point where... It's a scuzzy age, isn't it? When you see all these characters... Yeah, everyone's getting sucked off or killing someone.

There's blood on gloves. There's come on the White House. It's sleaze. Great time to be a man. Yeah. It's brilliant. Yeah. The last great time.

To place this, this is the end of the good days for men. Yeah, yeah. The last hurrah. This will actually... Before OJ ruined it. Well, no, I mean,

I guess OJ getting off is still pretty good. Yeah, it's still alright. Still high-fives all round. So the prosecution, as I say, feature on two main factors in their arguments.

The fact that he did it. But you can't hold that against him, I feel that... The forensic evidence that shows he did it. Yeah. The fact there's blood, his blood everywhere.

Her blood. Her blood everywhere. The dog's fur was on his jacket. objection what's the relevant here why are we talking about this objection yeah yeah excuse me oh shit man yeah yeah yeah nice try hitler DNAs for Nazis

what are Zieg Heil would be quicker he doesn't get enough credit for not killing the dog I think because that was there wasn't it yeah a bit of fur in the glove yeah that was there so they argue the prosecution that Nicole's murder is the final act of domestic violence which as I think it's what they want to show 60

two instances of it and they have witnesses for like 40 of them. Objection, what's the relevance here? Why is this relevant? This is a price of mass in your honour. He's a actor more than like Mike Tyson had professional fights really. That's insane.

And he's got a better record. 662 and 0. Yeah. It's fucking, oh God. Seesies get carried away, isn't it? We all get excited. It's a great story. Wank a suit on.

You just feel like you can say anything. The suit makes it fine. Yeah, I feel like I'm on official business This is official business I mean this is what people in the 90s did In their top of America But this is crazy Because this is what's mad

Is that the jury is made up of mainly black women Right, nine of the 12 are black women But the prosecution end up having to drop The domestic violence angle Because the black women are basically being like Yeah Stand up for yourself Yeah, I would use the frying pan

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah If that piece of shit tried it with me. Exactly. So they're basically victim-blaving from the off. Yeah. Yeah. But then because it's being broadcast, and I never understand the legality of like broadcasting a trial.

His idea is it? You don't do that anymore, do you? The Johnny Depp was. Right, yeah. That was on. He fucking killed that. But the British one wasn't because in the UK. No, UK was.

America, you've got to take it to the States. Yeah. There's two late. It wasn't about putting it. We just get a caricature artist to draw you in like a big nose. Obviously in the US it was like the glove don't fit

in the depth trial it was there's poo on the bed. It's a different trial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If there's poo on the bed then she did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's true.

The shit on the bed was really what sunk her case in the end. I mean, that's the modern OJ, isn't it? Because she said it was a prank. Yeah. And I just feel... Is that OJ's defense as well? Yeah, it was a joke knife.

But yeah, so the pub the public are hearing all the stuff about domestic violence. They, well, the white people in the public are like, well, he obviously did it. But then black people are like, I don't know, is there some, is there some sense that black women are like more, they stand up for themselves more? So they're kind of like, they're saying it's all bullshit. I mean, fundamentally, it's just black people had never had a win in the justice system. It felt like that. They wanted to win.

So they were just like, we want the win, we don't care. Yeah, it was irrelevant if he gets it. It's, it's, uh, black people are getting. white people too much has happened and they go even though this is the whitest black guy

who hates black people the most racist black guy ever they went we don't give a fuck this is one for and I think white people went yeah we have been a bit bad so maybe he gets

yeah he was kind of the original black square was a token gesture from whites that did nothing eventually Neil deGrasse Tyson now the physical evidence

that the prosecution have is fairly definitive I would say let's go through it because I'm not sure. No. For those still on the fence. And this needs to be relevant

because otherwise I will object. So there's his blood and Nicole's blood and famously the gay waiter, Ron, who we've... Ron placed one time. Was he gay?

Yes. He's an LA waiter. I thought there was a change of you. No. Let's start again. Sorry, are you doing no homo January? Can you, is that? Delucent my ties.

He's fucking killing me. So, yeah, the fact that all those bloods, those three people's bloods are found on the glove and the murder weapon and OJ's shoes and the footprints near the victims, the probability of error is one in 9.8 billion. Objection, Your Honor, that's conjecture. Yeah, it's true.

And also, why couldn't it be the one in nine and eight billion? It's got to be sometime. it's going to be wrong at some point. He, so in the... You've got to be 100% sure. Yeah. Not 99.9 recurring. In America, it's all about

the avoidance of doubt. Yes. And that one in 98 point billion, you just put doubt in my mind. I'm now doubting everything. When in 9.8 billion. And you know, so they expect, like Shapiro thought what was going to happen is, everyone went, OJ's done it.

They all thought he's done it. But what we'll do is say he's fucking insane. And he went, nah, I'm pleading not guilty. And they gave him a lie detector test. Apparently that six is like you didn't do, you're telling the truth. Minus six is you're lying. And he scored minus 22.

Quadruple lying. I don't know how he... So he's lying so much, he's actually telling the truth. He's telling the truth. He's innocent. Yeah, it's crazy. So the prosecution argue...

And also he's like a superstar in the trial. Like he just knows how the cameras work. Like the look on the old trial. Because they know it's been... The something that the prosecution never got right. because it was being televised. They just, the suits of all the lawyers,

the kind of branding of it. They chose where they sat. They just, OJ just looked great. Yeah. The way he just, he would even look at the juror. He just had aura. Brilliant actor.

He awored the fuck out of everyone. But also when Marcia, the Marcia Clark, yeah, yeah, yeah. She changes her hair at one point. And then the whole press is like, ooh. Yeah.

And then she goes to, she crumbles because she realizes that. Well, she braided her hair. Yeah. She put seashells in it. Yeah. Even though, like, we're not playing the race.

I don't know like Bobby Shapiro's got fucking a bone through his nose at this point. Yeah. It's not about race. No. So the prosecution argue. The OJ drives in Nicole's house, kills her and Ron plays wrong time Goldman, returns to his house.

He then sees a limo waiting by the front. He tries to enter through the back to the house, which leads to the trail of blood. His security system wouldn't let him in, which leads to the banging noise that his pool boy, Cato, Cato. his and then he drops the glove and returns to the front door. And the evidence of this is that there are 108 exhibits of his DNA being everywhere.

That's a lot. That's a lot. Which is a lot. The thing is, it's not even a well-done murder. He fucked it. He couldn't even get back into his own house. This was a fucking disaster. But also, like, he left one. Such a funny perspective.

The real tragedy is how badly this murder was committed. He didn't even do it well. It wasn't even a sort of... But he drops one glove at the murder scene, leads a trail of blood. his blood and Nicole's blood all the way to his house like an Easter egg hunt for a child and then drops the other glove

that's all so ridiculous about the glove don't set so many clues it's like there's one identical glove at his house and the murder suit it's too perfect it's as if he's been framed it's hardly a riddle

that's true I'm an ex-black footballer was in naked gun who am I he is literally moated like he's in the film naked gun So Nicole's hair is on the glove that's in OJ's house On the glove they also find clothing fibers You said from Nicole's dog

Fibers from the Bronco that he drives The defence This is the greatest what's a boundary of all time This is phenomenal He's a black man And he's being targeted by a racist police force Yeah But I mean the whole thing is a lesson

On how you can win arguments Yeah And how you can just frame issues Because when you In the documentary or any film about this when you see the evidence stacked up, in your head you're like, there's just no way anyone can get off.

I don't think anyone did think that. Yeah, and you just see the way that they build that and you can actually understand it kind of makes sense how he got off, just watching them lay it out because it becomes, who's on trial is black people.

But the defence make it about race, but also in this type of case in America, you can't, the fact there's no alternative killer is irrelevant. All you have to establish, is a reasonable doubt that it wasn't it might not be. What's amazing is they never talk about...

There's never an idea of like, well, if it wasn't him? Who was it? And also, why is no one concerned about who it was? No, no one gives a fuck. And it has to be quite high the percentage, doesn't it? It's because the civil trial's like 52% or something. This has to be at least two in 9.8 billion. Yeah.

And it's 1.9 billion. So it's fine. Imagine if he didn't do it. Do you mean? Don't need to. That would be the most amazing pullback and reveal is that he didn't do it. Because what would happen?

The only way he didn't do is someone... Well, they tripped and fell. Someone, I want to kill OJ's wife. What I'm going to do is go out to OJ when he's getting the burger or something and just stick a needle and then go kill, then leave a track. Nick his shoes. He deserves to go to jail for being that dumb for not noticing that was happening to him. Boarding for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes.

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They died. No, but before they get there, the defence team take down all the photos. Because he's got no photos of black people. No, it's all him with white guys. Yeah. And his staircase is like an Italian restaurant that's had like a famous guy in it. Kids, remember when I met Tupac? Go find it. And it's

just they now just suddenly put all these random photos. It's like Stalin, Photoshopping. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is me with Martin Luther King. This is me and Mohammed Ali. Cool in the gang. Yeah, this is me and Bootsie Collins. Carl Douglas, the lawyer says, if it was a Mexican jury, we would have hung pictures of him in a sombrero and a

Mario actually banned that front and pinawra at the upper staircase. I mean, they're so shameless his team. I didn't even say when he pulled through, because when they were shouting, Go OJ, you know, when he's fucking driving away from the cops, and apparently he said, oh, why there's so many N-words in Rockingham? In Brentwood or whatever, yeah. Great, great.

Even then, he hates spackerel. So the main argument the dream team make is that they try and paint this picture of a conspiracy by a policeman, as we've said, called Mark Fuhram. This is where they already gets pinned on, Because when they call, I think it's Shapiro or one of the big lawyers saying, do you want to take this case?

He says, yeah. And the answer is, or maybe it was fucking Dershowitz, Alan Dershowitz. Oh, yeah. Alan Dershowitz, who's like one of the greatest lawyers of all time was on Epstein's Island, I think.

He was, yeah, yeah. Basically they call him about whether, I think Cochran might have called him saying, should I take the case? And he says, there's an argument here. It's all in Furman. Look into Furman.

Really? So he said, just look into Furman. That's where you'll win the case. with Furman. We take one look at Furman, you go, yeah,

there's a fucking... He's the officer who found the glove. Yeah, and he's the one... Mark Furerman. So,

the problem is is that Furman was this racist cop but just happened to be there. He was basically probably trying to

frame a black guy who had done it. Yeah. Like, that was the issue. Yeah. But they found an old lawsuit by Furman against the LA

pension board where he was asking them to let him retire early because he hates black people show up. It's interesting.

Can't do it. Which is rare. As a smoking gun is fair. insane. But there's a lot going on there because I think someone who truly hates

back people, they might want to keep on working. Yeah, he's clearly got this like, yeah,

he's got this really like internal fight where I'm so racist but I can't. I guess after Rodney you've got to not put me in the field because I know what I do.

After Rodney King and the backlash to that he's like well, I can't work anymore then. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If you've taken that away, yeah. If I can't do them what I love. This is why I've got no, it's got no self-strait. You do what you love. you never work a day in your life.

I can't have biscuits in the house. Yeah, I can't. So he admits to using excessive force while being a policeman and they spread the theory that the glove have been planted by Furman due to his hatred of black people. They also then, and this is a pretty amazing bit

in the documentary, they go really hard on the LAPD for a supposed history of planting evidence, which I think they always clap back on. They say there isn't one. But when they're chatting to the Asian guy who's the forensic, what's his name?

Fung. They basically, say they show footage of him at the crime scene, not wearing a glove to pick up like blood samples. I mean, also they put a blanket over the body because there was loads of pressed outside and her head was nearly cut off. And because the blanket was contaminated,

they were like, well, just because it's covered Nojo's blood. They also took blood samples from the police station back to the crime scene and they're like, why did you do that? Do you ever do that? No, we never do that. It's like, right. Yeah. They were really, really sloppy.

Yes. It happens as more so much. So they then use this evidence that OJ's DNA has been planted. It also, his DNA had been unrefrigerated in LAPD van for seven hours after collection. Like a dodgy kab just been sitting there.

What, do you mean if it, because it was sitting there, does it spoil and become OJ's DNA? Is it saying it's saying it was some other guy, but if you leave it, it just, it'll become OJ's. Yeah, OJ's a bit off. Yeah, yeah. He's been left in the sun for a thing. It was a white guy, but they just,

you leave it long enough. So the defense argues that a police conspiracy he was enacted by prison nurse Thanos, Thanos, Pyrratus, Mark. Prison nurse. Thanos Pyrattis. She sounds like a comic book character. Prison nurse. Prison nurse.

Thanos Pyrattis. That's who you want to marry, a prison nurse. Let's get to the timeline that the defence paint. So they use all their experts to undermine the prosecution's theory of events. A physician testifies that OJ's arthritis means that he couldn't physically commit murder. Yeah.

But then the prosecution should. a fitness video that he made the week before. He's fucking benching like one-eighth. He's so fissing. It's a knife skills. He's holding a giant knife. You know those

Israeli knife skills videos? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, really? Didn't commit murder? I think so right. He's got arthritis. He's an old man. It's him slicing bread.

It's him butchering an animal. Karate choppy watermelon. So the glove they find obviously contains blood and DNA from OJ, Nicole and Goldman. Yeah, but it could have been anyone's blood. Nicole and Goldman are dead and OJ isn't. And he's there and the blood's there like a cocktail. But the defence say, oh shit man. And then they say Furman planted the glove due to his racism and he took the glove in his own sock to OJ's house.

There's a big debate about what they do with his. actual glove. And this is kind of the lasting image of the whole trial, right? So the prosecution didn't want OJ to try on the gloves in an open court. What you were meant to do, right, is you're meant to take the glove and OJ a way to a separate room, get him to try it on, and then come back and say, yeah, it fits. I think that's what legally you're meant to do. But this is on TV, and that's not good TV.

It's not a good TV. This is kind of the most, the key TV moment. Yeah, it is. but this is what I mean is that Darden decides that OJ has to do it. So he fights Marcia and he says, no, we should definitely get him to try on in the courtroom to incriminate himself. But the glove didn't fit him famously. And he also then, he really puts on a performance.

Oh, it's great. He's like, oh, I mean, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's wearing a... He's naked gunning it completely. Yeah, he is. He naked guns it. It's a naked gun.

It's a naked gun defense. It's not so funny about it. He's wearing a laytaker. glove. Which is crazy. I don't know. It just feels like the American legal system is just so insane. He's wearing another glove underneath.

Yeah. Get him to take the glove off. Also, the glove had been like frozen and then defrosted several times. It's leather. And was covered in blood. So it was shrinking. And then they also,

there was a strategy that when they had wind that the prosecution were going to get him to try on the glove, they were like stop taking your arthritis medication and your hand will swell up. I mean, genius. They're genius. I mean, they knew he was guilty. They're brilliant. Yeah.

Every single one of them. They're on 50 grand a day. Yeah. You know, they're earning their money. Get him off. It's amazing. So.

But I mean, why don't they bring up, why was the identical one of the gloves at your house? Like, the other glove was, and by his back door. What does that matter? You're fucking Nazi.

Gloves are for Nazis. Gloves are for Nazis. Oh, is that his house? So why don't you kill six million Jews, a piece of shit? So they then bring, So the glove doesn't fit.

Yeah. And then they bring Furman back to the witness stand. Yeah. Because they'd, in the meantime, they'd found... He'd been chatting to like an LA screenwriter. Yeah. I mean, what's the screen? There's so many scumbags in this.

It's impossible. It's a den of rats, isn't it? It's genuinely, it is GTA. The whole story. It's a screenwriter there. It'd been chatting to a screenwriter about what it's like. She was obviously trying to, write the new heat or something.

Right. Yeah. About what's like to be a policeman. And so... This is a lot of racism. So they... The defence introduced these 12 hours of, like, recorded tapes.

Right. Between Furman and a screenwriter. And Furman, as he loves doing, sprays the N-word about... Oozzy out the window. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the Gaddafi embassy. Is this...

For creative... This is the screenplay. Yeah. You've got to take creative license. The screenplay's... Men Against Women. Exterior, chicken shop. Mark Furman, played by Brad Pitt,

falls up outside. I mean, what is kind of interesting is the screenplay was basically, it was written by a woman called Laura Hart McKinney who was trying to highlight harassment of women in the LAPD. So her attempt to do that basically got a guy who cut a woman's head off.

Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. And Porte's kids are there the whole time. So what age are they at this point? I don't know. Those kids? No, OJs.

So all of these fucking bloods? fucking blood suckers are there dressed up in African garms and then to screenwriter trying to get a film off the ground. Their mum's been murdered in all of this. You know what I mean? But what do the kids think? Because he also has three kids that he doesn't really care about from his first marriage.

Yeah, there's the weird one that I saw a doc where they were like maybe it was him. And they basically made out because he was slightly autistic that he had like anger issues and stuff. He's the one who ran out and tried to punch someone when OJ came back in the Bronco. What do the kids think about the OJ murder? But there was a...

Can you type that? No, they still had a relationship. Yeah, yeah. So Nicole's kids still had a relationship with him. I guess you're in a sticking situation because you've lost one parent and you can't, then you'd lose another one. Yeah, but why did you lose that one? Shouldn't go fucking missing in Vietnam on our gap yet. We're killed by the dad.

Red, we can't know. No, no, that's true. He was acquitted. Ultimately, we can't know. I don't want to spoil it. Do you reckon he wakes someone just does the glove every morning before breakfast? Then we go. Then we put my cereal gloves on.

So Furman, they then put. There's then an argument as to whether they can play all these tapes in the courtroom. Again, we have a similar argument before we start every day here. Shall we play the Furman tapes for 12 hours before his podcast? Furman tapes to study and relax to. Yeah. Furman beats to work. Yeah.

Play it to a child and that'll be a genius. With those headphones off. Furman in the sauna. Low five Furman beats. So he gets caught back to the staff. and then in every question he's like, you can plead the fifth, which I don't think you can't do in here, right?

Pleading the fifth is an American thing. And that's no comment, but what is it? It's no comment, but it's legally no comment. Okay. So I plead the fifth. Can you just get up what the fifth actually is? Because it's like the legal... It's the right to remain silent.

Yeah, is it? Yeah, is it the right to... Which we don't have over here, right? Isn't it? It's the right against self-incriminate. Which, it's almost like... It's hilarious. Yeah, because you're basically saying...

You have a right to not incriminate yourself. Yeah, it's so... Because if someone goes, oh, have you been cheating? You go, no comment. You can laugh. Because no is an option. It's part of the American's Constitution. Why, you just say no?

Well, I'd be lying, so I'm not going to say no. I guess it's like American Constitution stuff, right? And fucking like Jefferson and stuff, they're cheating all the time. They were shagging their slaves. I guess it was like, let's put one in there. It's the ultimate. It's the ultimate. It's just so you don't have to get done for libel.

You can just go, you know I did. Because it's such a shit-talky culture. Yeah. You shouldn't be able to incriminate yourself with the wild shit you say. Yeah. It's so funny. I never get it.

Yeah. You see in our crime programs and you get the gangster and they're like, no comment, just say no. It's so. Just lie? Yeah, lie.

Because you're a gangster out, then that's... Yeah, but they were on trial. He's murder. Whatever. I know, it's firm and it's different. But you're American, yeah, half American.

On what side? My mom. On the OJ side or the Furman side? What side of the divide? The Mickey Rooney. Yeah. So... Judge Mickey Rooney.

Judge, the court's now in session. So, so Furman pleads the fifth, which then there's an amazing moment of drama where they're like, are you going to plead the fifth to every question we ask? And he says, yes. But I'd plead the fifth to that. They then go away and they have a huddle. And then the prosecution, like, this is pointless because he's just going to plead the fifth. And then the judge's like, well, out one more question.

Brilliant. And then Cochran and, is it Cochran or is it, Flee Bay? Cochran is a fucking, he's a legend, isn't he? I mean, I'd want him as mine. Yeah, 100%. I'd be so funny if I'm on trial he plays the same race car Yeah you do it as well

Shit man Yeah yeah yeah So they then they do this final question When they go Did you plant or manufacture any evidence In this case? And he goes I plead the fifth So the jury just like

Right well yeah And that's the So you should have just said No No I didn't Say no And in the documentary we watched All the other LAPD officers

Are like Say no Say no Why you're being the fifth But he by that point, he was so cooked as like publicly because he was basically public enemy number one.

He was like a pantomime villain. At what point, because is it, had he been called twice? When he first came to stand, right, basically, I think part of what undermined everything he said

is they're like, have you ever used the N word? Yeah, and he said, no. And he said, no. And it was 12 hours and using N words. And he's like,

well, all right, well, if you did that up, then yeah. Yeah. It's like us on WhatsApp chats. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You never said this, no, I've got your WhatsApps.

Well, obviously I've said that, yeah, Obviously I have then. If you've got that, of course. I thought that was off limits. Imagine if in 10 years they find a picture of Furman and OJ from like 1973 having drinks.

You go, ah. On Epstein's Island? Yeah. And you go, what happened was this OJ went, I'm going to kill my wife at some point. I'll put you on a retainer to become a cop

and say racist things. You know what I mean? Yeah. In cahoots. This is the kind of stuff we need. We need to throw that out there. Sowing more confusion. So that basically then,

then there's this whole argument about there are people outside who've been watching the match of the day highlights and it's live and they're now protesting for the court to release all the tapes

they want to hear more of the N-word It's like our Patriots is. They're holding big foam knives outside Yeah, more more more The firmer tapes are so explosive and they're so upsetting

because there's so much N-word usage in them that basically just it's like a Tinder box being lit. The weird thing is it starts a riot outside everyone's

He probably heard the tapes and agreed with everything he said. It's the odd thing. What we found? He's now writing true crime. He's joking. He's a radio host. He's a radio host. He's hosting talk radio.

Of course he's hosting talk radio. Mark, Ferman Show. Can we get on it? Get on Mark Furman. Yeah. What is it? Can we guest on it?

Good morning, end words. Yeah. Is it LBC? It's got to be LBC. He just plays NWA all day, so he doesn't feel alive. Well, I'll tell you what, in the, in the dock, his talking head, I thought he came across well in the, in the, now. I think he comes across

to find a film. He was just a victim of the times and serpins. It is council culture before it had a name. Digging up old tapes.

I wonder if he's got a camera. To be a white man. Do you think he's got a came here? My trial for being white. That's what it feels like. Of course he hosts a talk radio. Of course.

This is the problem with his but they can never just fuck off. You know what I mean? Basically, everyone attached to this because it's such a big media frenzy. They couldn't really live any normal lives after this because they're always tainted by this.

He is a byword for free-loading slop who lives in your house. That's what they'll say. They'll go, you know, it's like a... But it feels like every L.A. mansion has to have one. Yeah. Yeah. And you know he was like... He goes, I was nearly Jeff Daniels' role in Dumb and Dumber.

So how we could have gone. But you need to have someone who's nearly Jeff Daniels' role in Dumb and Dumber in your garden. Yes. If you have a mansion L.A., that's part of it. And that's why OJ thought he could get away with it. Because look at this thick piece of shit. I can fucking kill my wife and come back.

If you've made it as an actor in LA, you need to have a failed scumbag actor in your garden as a way of paying back to the community. But also acting is such a brutal job and it's people with the biggest egos getting rejected all the time. So you need a piece of shit, a piece of shit little gay boy living in a pool boy

to make you feel better about this. Living in a pool boy. Sorry. But he might have been. We don't know who is having sex with it. In order to make yourself feel better. But also he had something slam on his roof and he goes, oh, that's weird.

What have you found, Charlie? He's written a book about it. It's called Murder in Brentwood. They all wrote books. Everyone wrote books about this. You've got to monetize the thing. Everyone monetized it. It's the biggest news story.

It's the biggest news story ever. Yeah. And everyone's trying to get money out of it. And I also just think, yeah, you just... You couldn't walk a normal job because you're on TV. Sorry, how many times is it the M-word used in the book, Charlie? What's it called? Oh, Brentwood Murders.

N-W-A, a white perspective. What about? what about Mark Furman If I said it If I said it Yeah That's really good. If I said it.

Yeah. Which I did. This is how I would have said it. For 200 pages. For 12 hours. This is how I would have said it. Mark Furman, if I said it. Just different ways of spelling it.

Mark Furman, those N words are crazy. 40 times in the novel. Page one. Dedicated. 40 times. How was you doing that? Why don't you do? dedicated to your wife, Mark?

This seems a bit extreme. Page one. Yeah. I'm 10 years clean. We shouldn't be doing this in front of red. He's on his 12-step program. Yeah. Have you got your chip?

Yeah. Get on the bus and just turn to a black guy next to me. He looks apart as well for him. He looks like a piece of shit. Everyone looks in this how they should. Yeah. It makes you realize that like white guys having normal conservative haircuts. you look racist.

It's why I've got long hair. Yeah, yeah. We've all got longish hair. It's right. Yeah, exactly. You can't have that cop haircut. You look so guilty. If I have a buzz cut,

I'm finished. Yeah. Well, there's just been too many guys before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he also changed the context of what I said. Yeah, of course it does.

Yeah, grow the hair a bit. It just, you sort of, what is this? It could be Greek. Yeah. Oh, I dine out a lot on the fact. that pretty much there's a,

there's a, I can pass for a lot of the world. What's the furthest, what's the hottest you can pass us? Um, temperature wise.

You're looking at it, you're probably looking at Iran. Yeah. You're looking at, you're looking at, Northern Iran. Northern Iran. Yeah.

I don't think we can get. Uh, you know, I look at the Shah of Iran and go, I think I'm a bit darker than the Shah of Iran. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then South, Latin America got covered. Yeah. Yeah, Argentina, but. Yeah. No, I know, well, Argentina. White, white, white.

Yeah. White heritage. Yeah, the Nazis who went over on the rat. We're in the era of white sort of, yeah, sliding slightly with, you know, confusing people with hair. Yes, exactly. Hispanic gammon is how I classify myself. Hispanic gammon.

Yeah, I'm a Spanish glazed gammon in little chunks. Tapass gangne. Tapass gammon. I could pass a Latin America, Cuban, Irish, Scottish, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British. That's all I've got, really. You're a family. values Tory from the 50s, who turned out to be gay and killed his wife. I don't think you could even pass for like northern.

Yeah. Not northern. Not Irish. Not Cornish. Hamstead Heath is as far north as he gets with you. South. Your home count is just. Nothing north of Hampstead.

Whereas me and Red are similar. We could, you know, we could. You could pass a lot. We could have a military dictatorship in some country. Yeah, you could easily be a dictatorial state. Yeah, yeah, yeah. video me fleeing my palace in my pants with the uprising

kick to death hiding in a hole with a load of donuts gold AK-47 that should be your next tour show poster should be like you like Saddam coming out with a massive beard But that's exactly the point

When you saw Saddam like Oh I know He can't be that bad Why didn't he go out shooting Saddam Because it's just it's over isn't it? What he did do is when he got hung He did say fuck you It was amazing

Did he say fuck you Is there any final words, go fuck yourself? Oh, that's sick. Yeah, that's good. This whole court's out of order. Yeah. And he stood up and he just started mouthing off. Because he's lucky, you see Gaddafi, and that was no way to go.

He should have fucking shot himself. That was the best. I think he got bummed, didn't he? The best way. Yeah, yeah. It's the most satisfying way any officials ever elected to have been out of him, though. No. For the lads.

Yeah. Unless he liked it. And the whole thing. I've been saying this. All along. I've been saying this for a long time. I've been trying to get this joke in the internet that it's maybe a very long term. He became addicted later because he goes,

I'm going to piss everyone so much off. He spends his whole life building up that much rage in the public, so he gets that one up the ass. It's like, you remember when when Kevin Spacey was got robbed in Hampstead Heath at 4 in the morning and you go, he was out there going,

oh, I hope no one assaults me, you know what I mean? That's what, that's what Gaddafi was doing. Anyway, I think you could get to probably oh, the Mongolian step before I really you know Central right

Yeah Kazakh You know You know Yeah Yeah That could be it as well It's in there

Yeah And then obviously You go down to sort of Pakistan I don't know Yeah No

Russia because it's so bit It leaves the door wide open You know what I mean There's some Pakistani

Cricketers That are like You're quite light skins Yeah But you've got Pakistani Yeah

Yeah They often From the back Yeah From the back Yeah From the Pakistan

Just say that In a Comedy Green room from the Pakistan That's a white line up. No, Finn's got Pakistani hair from the back.

The diversity's arrived. You've embarrassed yourself. Tick. You've got egg on your face. Anyway, right. On the 26th of September, the prosecution and the defence make

their closing arguments. And we're going to deal with that in the final part of our series. Red's going to stick around. Which I think is my favourite part, to be honest. As I was saying, part four of the story is the best.

Of the OJ story. it's almost blows everything out of the water You think I was surprised I was a documentary I thought it would end at the end of the trial

It doesn't It gets better You think the trial's the highlight It's better next episode Because everyone has such energy And goals You know what And as you find out

Also it's such a true American story Because you go from so many different places And I think there's a real We descend It's like American pie The Wedding

It's going back 20 years This is glitzy This is glamour It's getting seedier The Underbelly Character If you think these guys are scumbags. The people you're going to meet, it's just...

No one moves to bat and becomes a monk. That's the good thing. We've been in GTA Los Santos. Next time it's Vice City. We're moving into the swamp. We'll get to Florida. Red will stick around. That episode's already in the Patreon. We're for three pounds a month. You can help fund our legal team, which must include Johnny Cockrell. Yeah, 50,000 pounds a day. Whenever this podcast gets raked over the colds, I'm hiring Cochran straight away. And he's going to use the same defense he used in this trial. That's all for now. We'll see you on the Patreon on Thursday.

See you next time. Bye-bye.