Fin vs History - Ricardo The Gaucho Gobbler | The Eichmann Trial : Nazi on the Run (Part 2/4)

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

While the Nazi High Command are being tried at Nuremberg, Adolf Eichmann has gone to ground, and with the help of the Catholic Church, flees to Argentina to explore his sexuality The show for people who like history but don't care what actually happened.  For weekly bonus episodes, ad-free listening and early access to series, become a Truther and sign up to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/fintaylor?utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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they don't use Nazi Nazi orders. The stock phrases really should be like you know, get in the train or whatever. Yeah, a friend of mine very right wing, not a friend actually, very right wing army boy.

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I think that's funny. I think that's really funny. Sorry, welcome back. We're talking about Adolf Eichmann. This is part two of our long-awaited, absolutely, we've been fucking edging you and ourselves, and we're finally in the warm bath of the Nazis. Yes.

We left off with Adolf Eichmann's been a very naughty boy, consistently. The cold bureaucratic Nazi of a country. old bureaucratic regime. So in some ways the most Nazi Nazi, depending how you take your Nazis. Well,

in the popular imagination, there's different types of Nazis, but he's the most of this type of Nazis, which is the... Yeah, yeah, just typing. Him going apeshit, causing more damage

than he's ever been caused before is just... Yeah, yeah. He loves a spreadsheet. Yeah. And what are the spreadsheets doing? Well, that's not his... That's not his...

Whatever you do with the spreadsheet, it's up to you. Yeah, that's his defence. So this is part two. We left off. The war is basically over. the Allies have won. Scheiser!

That's what Heikin's thinking. And where is he? He's in Austria. He's in Lince. And he gets picked up by some Americans. Well, this is a weird period in Germany which I guess a lot of people

wouldn't, we don't really know much about which is straight after the war this kind of year, these couple of years is pretty quite a very strange period. It's a pretty fun. It's a pretty fun because it's just Europe there's nothing in Europe.

Yeah. Like it's been completely gutted. There's no governments. There's no governments. leaders, there's just the American military, and I reckon they're having a really good time. Yeah, it's Monday, it's the next

Monday after Glastonbury. Yeah, that's exactly what, nothing's open. Yeah, there's soon going to bring in those trucks that just pick up all the tents that have been left, you know. Litter picking, a lot litter picking, the Germans are litter picking through Berlin. Hitler is dead. I'm sorry to say that, Hitler's

died in the bunker. Or is he? We don't know. We don't know. Which will be discussing theories. On the patron. did he escape to South America and is reincarnated and starts a podcast or possibly

who knows anyway this period is fascinating because it's like there's just no fucking there's like you know there's SS leaders just running about

in the Alps you know making pack lunches the hills are alive with a far to say more criminals you know they're just they're knocking about they're having they're hiding

they're hiding yeah they're hiding with hiding it you just you can't imagine it's like a game of hide and seek, but it is a lot of it. One, two, they're coming, ready or not? So are they hiding behind a tree in a forest?

No, they're in the Alps. They've all got, they've all got little alpine lodges. But surely the Allies are working their way towards them. No, because they're in the cities. They're, these guys, there's never, I'd say this, there's never been a better time to be a Nazi than, uh, in terms of quality of life. Because you're basically hiding in like a fucking, uh, milker advert. Yeah.

You're in the Alps. There's a shay. I reckon I'd have a throbbing migraine with what's possible to come. Well, that's because you've got anxiety. Or you think these guys are like, oh, there's nice weather outside. Beautiful weather. There's cows. I'm milking.

Everything you believe in is falling apart. That was a pretty intense few years, but I'm in the fresh mountain airs doing me a world of good. I'll try and sort of... You can't change the past. The past is the past. Let's draw a line under what happened and enjoy these breastings. taking views of the Austrian Alps. Chocolate's back.

The great Eichmann quote, regrett is for little children. Regrette is for little children. I did what I did, and here I am now. These guys are living in the present. Right. They're on top of a hill in, you know, looking out over gorgeous

scenery. Yeah. And yes, in the distance, there is the possible threat of some kind of American retribution. But for now, Eichmann's bobbing along. He goes to see his parents in in Austria. Goes back to

Mummy's house after it didn't work out and this look the startup failed in London you've moved back home

for a couple of years you know get back on your feet is an often it happens often yeah you go back have a big old honk

on those big German tits and then back at them soldier up and at them come on pull your pants up I'm sorry

it didn't work out Adolf that's what happens there's a start-ups for you isn't it high risk high rewards

anyway I've got I've got a pretty strong CV now tons of logistics yeah anyway so Ikeman's bobbing about and he starts to get the sense

that people are looking for him because obviously Hitler's died in the bunker and he's taken sign-eyed with a bunch of other high-ranking Nazis but there are still a few of the boys that are on the loose the stag do's over

some boys who are the big boys that Borman is he sorry who are the ones who we lose we lose Hitler we lose gerbils sorry it's just minute silence

for those Nazis we've lost in memoriam. Are these people who killed themselves or people who died defending Berlin or is it that you wouldn't they wouldn't be on the front line so just people who just like to close up we just have please a slideshow

of the Nazis we've lost a little in memoriam with some sad music You are not alone Life shine through Um You may wish for better We lost so many people this year Over through

So many different departments they do like the Oscars they do like the sound department these are all the soundies we lost these are all the fucking costume people lost the Minister of Jewish Affairs oh so yeah

Minister of Jewish Affairs Himmler propaganda's gone the Lefafa Lefafa's dead oh anyway what a year what a year for the Nazi

so we've lost who we lost who killed ourselves in the banker with Hitler Krebs and Bergdorf that which is from the that's from the downfall scene Krebs

bugged off It's Blabinem Braun Right I've never heard of those guys They didn't feel like the big big players right No but I guess they're there at the end Right right right right Well

Who do they catch They're basically in sort of 43 onwards The idea of a war crimes Tribunal is Is like put out there by the Allies In 45 as the war ends Or the Allies all sign a

A sign of thing saying We're going to try them for being the naughtiest boys ever Guring, Frick, Frank, Hans Frank Robert Brevendrop, Streicher So these are the big boys These are the names that are

You hear a lot Get bandied about So they're looking They're hunting these Nazis down Yeah And there are also roaming So into this kind of mad Sort of anarchy

Yeah That's basically martial law Yeah In Europe Something called the Haganar Which is like the At this point Palestinian but Jewish

So it's like It's the Israeli IRA. It's a paramilitary organization of, like Jewish Avengers. Right. They're roaming, they're roaming looking for SS people. Straight off the, as soon as the wars, right. And that's inglorious bastards is kind of based on that. Basically.

So you've got a lot of the SS guys have, they've taken, they know that the war's gone down the toilet. Hitler's killed themselves. They're not, they're stopping. Themselves. I like how you made it so gender neutral. They then, well, sorry, Heil Hitler. Hill and killed themselves.

Myles Slash Hitler has killed themselves. So a lot of the SS are just kind of like, they're in, you know, they're in Munich, the Alps, the Austria. Yeah, that's the bit, the milker advert, the big tit, the chocolate, the cows, that's where they are. Cowbells, dong. They're having a great time. It's Cub Scouts. It's Cubs Scouts in the hills. Anyway, then you have the start of, the Allies have got this most wanted list and they, they start, they find a lot of the SS leaders, like, that Rudolph Hurst.

Right, get out from under there. on, party's over. Come on. One more drink, please. One more pint. Get out. Come on. You as well.

I don't want to get married. I want this. I don't go on forever. Come on. It's finished, lads. So they ran them up and they decide to form an international military tribunal, a court, and to try them for being the naughtiest boys ever lived. Which, you know, I just imagine, imagine, you know, a WhatsApp group you're in.

One of the fruit of your WhatsApp groups you're in. Imagine all five of you are just. sat in suits with translations and a foreign government is going through your WhatsApp and asking you to explain why you've said that. I mean, I mean, when people talk about cancel culture now, it was so much worse back then. This is the peak of cancel culture. It's the Juremberg trials.

You know, you can't say anything. You can't. You can't. You can't. You could not, you know, I'd say these trials were quite biased, actually. But it was, I feel it was trial via public opinion. Almost, yeah. It's a kangaroo call.

it's um you know it's not it's not a proper trial is it can you get some footage of the newenburg trials up because it's amazing all of these guys Nazis straight off the bat yeah we're just banding that term around so much nowadays not everyone who you disagree with is a Nazi yeah some now some of these people were high-ranking Nazis admittedly um and arguably all of them were but uh i mean they all look so like uh they're being told lot. It's the biggest telling off in history. What I want is the, what I want to see is the, it's the boys, just the line up of boys and they all look so fucking sheepish. Right, here we go.

They're playing, they're playing footage. Yeah, this is it, isn't it? It's just going, oh, you've got me there. I would be wearing sunglasses as well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the bat baller move, isn't it? Just coming wearing sunglasses. What are we talking about today then, lads?

Whose trial is it? My trial? I don't know about this. I don't know about this. I don't know this is a fair trial. So they're all looking pretty gil. guilty, pretty naughty. It's very funny. It's very much

when you put it like that, I guess it does sound pretty bad. You know what? Saying it out loud. Can you just repeat what you did here? Do I have to say it? Right, yeah. So they show footage of the camps and stuff but the notable thing to say is that there is no survivor testimony. This is all

allied, this is all top down, which is important for later on in the story of Eichmann. But Eichmann is one step ahead of the Allies because he knows that he's really in trouble but because he's been logistics rather than big think he policy out in front

of people politician because he's civil servant he's going on going to change my name because they're going to come from me at some point but the Americans and the allies they don't have him as a they don't really know who he is at this point they're going after the big guns yeah they're still working there through it's a huge amount of paperwork to work

and it's also like the Nuremberg it's bear in mind the war ends what VE day is May yeah and then the Americans do the big night night-night bomb on Japan. Night-night. Night-night. You're done. Now!

You sent the kids to bed. They keep coming down. Right. You're not... Right. That's it. Bed now. Now.

Don't make me come out there. Okay. I'm coming up there twice. Going up. Twice. All right. Come up. Get to bed.

Baroshman Nagasaki. Bed now. So they've got... Japan's been sent to bed. With no fucking supper. No dinner. Not even brush their teeth, straight to bed. My point is, that's in May, June, isn't it?

That's later, yeah, yeah. Is it August? Maybe, yeah. Anyway, the Nuremberg trial start in fucking December. If you think nowadays when something does someone bad, all the pre-trial shit, like years, months, they get to it. Like the Johnny Depp trial, how long before that started going? Well, I guess that's the only other thing we can compare this to, isn't it?

Who's the naughtist boy? It's the Amber Hurd, Johnny Depp trial. But it's, they do it, they get to it very quick. they want to wrap this up because the Cold War is starting like the Allies of one We've got another war The Allies have won

But already they're like It's yeah it's like In an Edinburgh room You have 15 minutes to turn over Before the next show comes in It's like guys sorry We're gonna have to move There's another show here

In like 10 minutes We're starting another thing Cold War starting Let's get this wrapped up As soon as they win The Americans and the Soviets realise they're literally opposite And they fucking hate each other

They've just finished bashing Nazis heads in And then it's just that's what's happened with the with America and the Soviets yeah exactly it's like they've done all that brilliant and then it's just right

okay then yep if we get a wall up yep I reckon so I guess we don't really have much else to talk about no turns out you know without Nazis who are we really who are we the yeah the you know the the the fleeting

exciting nature of romance fades to the torturous boring admin of looking after children and running a house and before you know it you've been married five years you're just shitting with the door open who cares

who cares if I shit with the door open front door open get a crosswind through front and back door open that's what she's doing front door open back door open tie the doors shut so they stay open and get a healthy crosswind through

just to make sure the whole house smells the shit You know, that's married life And she's right to do that Because I'm not, you know I don't like it But I'm not going to get the government involved I'm not going to start a divorce proceedings

Everland out, you know It's starting to feel less, more personal now What are we talking about here? What are we talking about? Nuremberg trials So my point is The naughty boys have been rounded up As many of them

Some of them haven't Bormann's still on the loose Bormann's a fun guy But Eichmann is starting to realise That he's in trouble And so what he does is he starts he does actually get put into the um allied prison camp system but uh he changes his name to otto uh ekman which is like a sort of sounds like ikeman and he's also got his ss tattoo

oops big now we've all had some tattoos we regret um it's under the arm i think and so they're having they always have inspections they always have topless inspections of the prisoners to see if any of them are Because at this point, they've got all the German troops are in camps and they know they're going to do a big trial and they're looking for anyone who's high ranking to try. So I don't think it was that bad, Charlie. That's because it's a neo-Nazi tattoo where they don't leave much of the imagination. This is very much just a sort of, and so what he's trying to do in the camps, because they're not, it's like the war's over. So they're quite like loose camps. They're not like being looked over a lot.

Yeah. The Americans aren't, you know, they're just kind of. They've become, they've gone from war heroes, becoming prison guards. So it's all quite loose, and let's all be mates now, and that's all over. And my point is,

the SS and the Germans, they're having chats, and he's trying to get his mates to help burn off the SS tattoos. Yeah. So he's taking quite a lot. Wait, she's going. Come in, come.

Get the tattoo of tits off my fucking arm. Yeah, yeah, fuck, fuck. Oh, shit, it's a different woman's name. Fucking burn it off, burn it off. Burn it off. Burn it off. Burn it off. Fucking, who's Julianne.

I don't know who that is. You've gone on a stagdo, and you've got a woman's name that's not your wife tattooed on your back because you've been being pegged by a stripper and you've now trying to frantically get it burnt off as you get the Stansett Express back

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He's like, yeah, Eichmann got in touch with me. and started sending me Jews. And I'm like, I don't want, I don't want Jews. I'm running a fucking, it's a pizza oven. This is not a, what are you talking about? This is a big pizza restaurant. Right. You're free.

Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay. All right. First fair. We can go. Yeah. The rest of you will get to you.

Yeah. So Rudolph's like, no, this guy's sending me, and I'm just, you know, all I am, I'm just managing, I'm a station manager. He's the one that's putting them on the trains. Right. I'm sorry for wasting your time. The train goes to an oven. We've clearly got the wrong guy.

Yeah. Apologies. And then the allies are like, who's this guy? Who's Eichmann? And again, in all the point, in all this is happening, the Hagenar, the Jewish revenge squads, they're roving, they're trying to find SS people to give out their own justice.

Is there any culture of like snitches get stitches at all with the Nazis or are you just ratting on? Do they have any loyalty to each other whatsoever? I think at this point in Nuremberg, look. Yeah, you've got your own back. It's the biggest come down there's ever been, Nuremberg. I mean, snitches get stitches, Nazis get stitches.

They're all going to get hanged. So I feel like that's kind of out of the window a little bit. You've seen the footage. They're just there being like, yeah, I'm really sorry. I don't know what. I was pissed. There's a lot of camaraderie when we come to Argentina, I think. Yes, when we get to that.

Yeah, so there's a lot of that. But at this point, it's every man for himself. What Eichmann does is he starts to realize he starts getting interrogated by an Americans in one of the camps. And he's sticking to his story that he's a, He's a lowly, like, lieutenant. Yeah. And he said he was in different theaters of war than he actually was.

And then the army guys, like, well, what did you do in these operations? And he doesn't really know. So he thinks he's been found out. But every time he's interrogated, the Americans have to go and, like, verify it. Yeah. So he basically, what does is he changes his name again to Otto Henninger. And he gets fake papers made by one of the boys in the camps. And he, in the middle of the night, he just, he goes, fuck this.

I'm on the run. and so he escapes the prisoner war camp in the south and he ends up going up to the north and he ends up getting a job as a lumberjack Yes, before the lumberjack thing though What was quite interesting is that he'd always played down his power and role But then there was there was forced labour at these prisoner of war camps And the non-offices were forced to do the labour

But the officers weren't so he quickly went back and changed it So that he was actually an officer now But it's quite funny that you don't make the officers do the work and you're still respecting their command even though it's in a Nazi prisoner of war camp But it's brocode, isn't it? Yeah, come on. If you had us do it, you'd do the same for us, right?

Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah, it's funny that they're still respecting class. Well, it doesn't matter if you're opposing enemy, if you're a lieutenant, you're better than the... Yeah, it's kind of mad. Because they're probably the most people, they should be doing the most work. Well, I guess they're the middle class.

Right. Because the top ones are being tried, they're being told off. It's just unseemly for a gentleman to be doing that much work. Exactly. Right, right, right. So, anyway, Rudolf Hurst gets hanged at Auschwitz. Lovely bit of symmetry.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, in front of it, by the oven. He's the Polish specifically request after he's found guilty and a sentence to hang him at Auschwitz. Yeah, I mean, it would have been, to gas him would have been my choice. I mean, it seems a bit, it's a bit vulgar. They should have farted on him. But to dress him up and line him up and do that whole thing. Do you reckon they did fart on his hanging body?

Um, do you think... How's that for gas, mate? Yeah, I guess the satire is pretty strong. Why would they not do more, like, more humiliate, like, literally like, drown a man in poo? I guess this is... I guess it's like... Because that's what we all want. Yeah, it's an interesting one, because I've thought about this as well.

I guess when you're trying to establish a post-war peace consensus, they're trying to establish, like, the UN. Sorry, are you saying the only... Sorry, you're different. out for about 10 seconds there. It was just the idea that in Charlie's head, the eye for an eye, someone who's done the Holocaust. Right.

The only suitable punishment like it goes to Trowdy in Boone. I mean, there is something. So the reason, it is, I think it's a really interesting question, though, because even like listening back to the Nuremberg stuff, it's like, if you'd made the, even them being in trial, even the way we're talking about them,

There is still something kind of like, not funny, but there's something just kind of like, they still manage to maintain a little bit of dignity. They're all in suits. They're all lined up. And they can just say, well, I don't agree with you. You can kill me,

but this is just like a war thing. There is maybe something, seeing as there's a rise of Nazism now and a glorification, if you just really humiliate these guys. drown them in poll. Yeah. But I mean, just undermine the aura of Nazis.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Just make it like, I don't ever want to do anything like this because if I'm caught, this is what happens. But then you set up a tip-for-tap barbarism. And also some people are into that.

Yeah. Because Charlie, that's not a punishment. Yeah, it's holiday. He suggests that for anything. Hey, if I'm really good today and do a really good job, can I drown in poo? He's making up. He's done Nazi war crime.

It's just a lot off chance they might drown him. Fucking holiday for him. He's swimming in those long drops of Glastonbury. Fucking front crawl. Anyway. So, no, they don't drown the Nazi high command in poo. they hang them um you know route one you're right no it's um it's still it's still a it's still a fitting punishment yeah but um the point is that in the nuremberg trials

eichmann's name starts to come up and uh fuck me sorry i've completely gone oh producer's got a fucking child's mind Batman. Obviously, the worst thing you can happen is you can drown in poo. Oh God. Yeah, it feels like you're not taking it that seriously. It would feel like, I think the Jewish population would be quite, like, what? What is it, is it sort of funny to you? This. Wait, so you've got a six-year-old running the Nuremberg trial?

Why have we got a toddler judge? you you boys have been so naughty so we're gonna you got you've got to eat a mountain of poo ha ha ha naughty boys poo forever for you anyway sorry so I Eichmann sees that

the other Nazis have been drowned in poo and thinks I don't want to do that I don't like poo so he moves he moves north he manages to escape the camp under a false name goes north to I think it's near like

it's near Hamburg or anyway And he gets a job logging. And I find this funny that there's just sort of like all these... Sorry, logging. Fucking out. Oh, God. For a long time, he hides in Germany, much longer than I thought. Nearly five years.

Yeah. And he's up north and he's logging. Up north. He's got a flat cap. He's gone up north. He's gone, fuck this. I'm going up north. I'm going to up north.

Fucking wait to shit to blow all over. I'm going to go up north. You're right. And they're friendly up north. They don't ask any questions. But there's a lot of just sort of basic. former bad boys that are just they just get jobs, not chopping down in the

forest. And it sounds like he's having some quite a nice time. Because what they do is they work all day, chopping chopping wood and stuff, outdoors. And then they just sit around drinking shnaps and singing songs. Not too bad. Not too bad. Now at this point his name is

like he's most wanted. He's starting to become most wanted. There is a sort of fervor that independent Nazi hunters, such as a guy called Simon Wiesenthal, who's Auschwitz survivor he may even have survived 12 concentration camps at that point you've got to be like well something's some of this got to be your fault sorry what 12 it's like now you're doing it for attention what oh what he's been sent to 12 yeah it's just more like if you survive that many

you must be going back into some yeah if you've escaped one why are you going fucking yeah now you're just trying to wrap the numbers up lad there's something suspicious so uh uh he he's like looking for Eichmann because basically after Nuremberg and when they sent them to death to drown in Mandanapu you know the Cold War starts and basically the Allies

stop really caring about the Nazis that are... They've got bigger fish to fry. They've got bigger fish to fry. You know, they've got fucking capitalism and communism to sort out. And the world starts to slowly forget as well. Yeah. It's not never forget at this point.

Yeah. Because it feels like the Holocaust is still such a big thing but maybe at that time it's not really clear and we'll get to this because this is really what the trial does but the holocaust currently you know it's it's a sort of disparate collection of different stories the systematic nature of it isn't really demonstrated until the ikeman trial arguably so and actually we'll get to this in the fourth episode but what what what israelis think of the holocaust before the ikeman trial israeli bad it's very funny it's really bad that's really bad that's really bad that

whatever you did over there it's really bad no it's actually quite funny it's the opposite it's really funny it's really funny quick single quick single on to the leg side just keep it light keep it like I have a bit of fun

do you have a laugh we're just having a laugh no no it's drowning in poo shit Israeli bad Israeli smelly in this mountain of bull Charlie likes that right so what he did

does is he hides in northern Germany working for a company the company goes bust and he then

contacts a spurious organization which has become to know as the rat line right and this is a underground

network you're right Charlie yeah it's just strange that he would choose to one of his aliases was Adolf Bath

is it a bit mental to well there's a bit of trial and error in his alias and he definitely you know it takes a while

to work out your craft but he called his own His first couple of aliases, I think you fucked it. It's like, why are you choosing even more Nazi names, lad? The name Adolf hasn't been, uh, it's not banned in Germany, is it? No, but it's just, I think that's, yeah.

There's no point banning it. There will be, there will come a time when people in Germany start calling their kids Adolf again. And then the whole thing will start again, because history is cyclical and you can't trust these fuckers. Well, do you know, uh, so all of Hitler's relatives agreed not to have kids to stop the bloodline. Really? But his last living relative, who looks quite a lot like him, has tattoos all. over his head was arrested for being a pedophile.

So let's get a picture of him. When was this? I don't know how this has slipped through your net. This was a couple years ago. Last living relative. Oh. Yeah. Convicted of paedophilia.

Oh, but he's only been convicted of kissing a 13-year-old girl. But I guess... Lerder to his flat with sweets. All right, fine. You go into the details. It's quite bad. Yeah, but you can see the Hitler. Look in his face.

Yeah, the angle scroll up. Just like there is a Hitler. The name is like a cross to bear. and I wish that on nobody. Yeah, I'd hate to have Hitler as my surname. Is this guy's surname, Hitler? Yeah, Romano. Romano Hitler?

Romano-Luca Hitler. Fucking hell. There was also a guy back in the day before Hitler was, you know, the man we know in love today called Dr. Gay Hitler. And this was when Gay Lord was not a... It's a name.

It was a name. Gaylord. And when Hitler... Yeah, Dr. Gaylord would be... See, that is a name. At the time, you could be called Gay Hitler. Didn't mean it? That wasn't funny.

Dr. Gay Hitler. Dr. Gay Hitler. It's my drag name. Yeah. That's like someone being called, like, Professor Trans Putin or something. If you were called Professor Trans Putin, and then in 2025, you're like, oh, my God. My life is hell. Why did I, why did I become a professor?

It makes me seem even sillier. It's even sillier. Well, it's like when I see a big truck that says, like, Euro-Trans on it. I'm like, I always find that fun. aren't they? Yeah. Anyway. Anyway.

Right. Where the fuck are we? Enough about Dr. Gay Hitler. Eichmann. Ithman, Professor Transputin. Professor Transputin. So he contacts the rat line in 1950. He decides to get out of Dodge.

His wife and kids are still in Austria. They're being questioned quite a lot by the West German police and the Jewish Paths, Jewish Avengers. Anyway, contacts a guy who essentially says, yeah, man, we'll get you out. the party, hey, the party's still going. The party never died. He's like, well, he's basically getting... He's moved to Argentina.

He basically gets flying in the street. It's like, you know, that party? Still going, mate. You're still going, you're still going. You're a tit or an ass guy? Follow me. Well, I've got something for you.

No. I know how it's pretty bummy now here. Germany's gone big up, swung to the ass. Certainly, the east is ass. The tick guys are keeping it going in South America. Tick guys in South America. They've got big tits over there. Yeah.

And they go, isn't Brazil or Bunda? No, no, no, no. Argentina. Argentina. So he gets smuggled down to Munich. He goes to Munich. He's in Munich for too long. And there's like, at this point, I should say, just,

one of the Nazi hunters or the Jewish Avengers, they have contacted one of his old mistresses. Oops. And she is like so pro-Hitler, loves all of it. And she's like, I, you know, one of my great boyfriends was very high up in the SS. he was a very powerful man and he must have died because if he hadn't died

he would be back with me and he would carry on that right right right and she's got a photo of him because they basically they hear this Eichmann guy but there's no photos of him yeah no photos

it's Burkheim third floor no photos no photos in here and so they they there's a guy that basically dates this woman takes like bumps into her in the street a spy knows knowingly bumps into her takes her for dinner

like strings her along gets into her he's about to fuck her and then asks about her love bombs her he loves her yeah

he does what and then what's the guy called army hammer yeah love bombs her then he fucking hates her no he doesn't he is

but um he gets a photo of Eichmann and then basically goes psych takes that runs away brilliant got the photo

so that's what they know what they look like so at this point he's in Munich on the way on the way to Italy and they know what he looks like

it looks like so he's terrified because he's seen his photo in the paper and stuff anyway right it's got he's put in the paper

yeah yeah it's in the paper or not. It's like, we're looking for this guy. This guy's a naughty Nazi. They haven't found yet. And anyway... It's awkward when he gets his morning paper sat in a cafe Munich. Oh, fuck, it's me. Anyway, he gets... He meets one of his bros.

They walk, they trek over the Austrian border. The Bund, not the Bunda Pass. What's it called? The Brahma, Brahma Pass, whatever. They walk into Italy. He meets a priest, Italian priest on a bicycle. What could go wrong?

What could go wrong? Hey, it's a me! And there's basically... Because the church... That's what I was going to say. There's a particular Catholic bishop called Aldus or Aldo Hewis or something. Alois Hoodle.

And he's basically helping... Look, guys, I think you're getting a tough reading. These fucking, these guys... They can't take a joke. They can't take a joke. It's a static, fucking chill out. now he's working again pretty unassuming

he's working to get the naughty boys to Argentina where the party's still going because Juan Peron's in power and he he's been neutral in the World War II up until 45 when he... Interesting time to start when he only says now we're anti-Germany

because of the way the wind's blowing right he does that basically as a political move but he he's very pro... Well the relationship with the Nazis and the church is kind of confusing and weird because it's like it is an 80s movement in a way Nazis that it's, they're...

Well, it's a nihilist movement. Yeah, it's more about racial purity. Like, there's no really room for God because it's about the motherland and stuff like, the fatherland. But the Catholics have sort of seen what they're doing to Jews and going, I don't, I don't hate that.

They're going, I don't hate that. I mean, it's not... There's worse things that are happening. It's not good, but it's not us. Because the Catholics are the Jews of the Christians. Right. How so? Well, the Protestants are the Nazis.

I guess so. What do you mean? Why are you... Because these guys are the Catholic Church is massive. Yeah, but they've been persecuted a lot. By Protestant. Yeah. Okay.

So they're kind of like the... Yeah. They're the one that's the bully. Oh, right. Yeah. Well, if you're bullying him, it's not me. Yeah, exactly. Fine.

So I think there's probably a bit of that. Yeah. So he smuggled into Genoa, I think. And then there's a blah, blah, blah. Catholic, this Catholic priest gets him on a boat with false papers. that he organizes the Argentinian side to give him a visa

1950. The Argentinians don't cover themselves on glory, I don't think. No. 1950. Because Argentina

racially, it's very dodgy what's happening in Argentina. Because even if you go there now, they are just all white people. White.

It's all white. The white man. The percentage not only of indigenous South Americans, but of black people is like you go to Brazil

it's a melting pot. It's one of the first countries were Argentina, they all look like Lionel Messi Yeah, yeah Right

They're all Italians basically Well, but Buenos Aires I mean this is the reason A lot of Nazis feel quite a home at Buenos Aires apart from the sort of general

Kind of they're quite comfortable with fascists And it's part of their 97% of the population of Argentina But Buenos Aires I've never been But it's meant to be It's an amazing city

It's a very European city It looks like It's a Spanish city basically Yeah But it's like anywhere But the beef But the beef better Yeah

Better beef. Fashist countries do good meat Communist countries don't That's true Interesting Tits, steak. Yeah. Arse.

No. Ass, cabbage. Yeah. So Eichmann gets to Argentina, and this is one of my favorite bits. He's on the boat, right? He arrives in Argentina, and he goes, do you know what? I'm going to remember myself. I'm going to call myself Ricardo.

He chooses the gayest fucking name. I'm no longer Adolf. What's the opposite of Adolf? I'm a Ricardo. Cha, cha, cha. The montage in the movie is it's when Nicole Kidman's character who's been, I don't know, hard done by her ex-husband, she's been cheating on my boyfriend

and then she's designed to reinvent her life. And it's the montage. She's re-painting the walls. Yeah, she's got a top knot and dungarees. This is what period I'm going to. Girls, just want to have fun. Amrikado. So he basically becomes a gay man in my head.

He goes to Argentina. And you get a whole new stab at life. Why not try a different way? Fuck it. I did one straight. hell Nazi. Why not try to be a gay Argentinian? I was the straightest, most boring man ever and I killed six million Jews. Now

I'm going to fucking call myself, Ricardo. And on a car no, did none of these problems. Ola! Ola, seorita! So, he arrives in Argentina and he immediately starts gnosting off all the sailors he can find. But he's called Ricardo Clement. That's his new name. And he,

they find him a job, the ratline people, they find him a job working for a, think a water company. But that then goes under and he essentially the first kind of few years in Argentina he's doing a lot of like low paid quite bad jobs. Well the economy's on

its knees as well because it's Argentina. I quite like the idea that he's I just love the idea of all these interviews he's having where they're like and so what do you're good at? And he's like I'm actually incredibly good at logistics like And what do you have to prove that? Well

there's a big hole in your CV between 1939 and 94 I was traveling yeah I was interrailing in a way but he's basically he gets a lot of low-paid engineering jobs so his family come over

in 1952 so he's been there for a couple of years on his own sucked off a lot of guys he's having a great friend but he thinks you know what he sucked on a tin of dry

he sucked the argy's dry the pampas is arid because ricardo's been goshing off all the what they called the gringo The gouchos.

Gouchos, yeah. He's gobbling gauchos like there's no tomorrow. Yeah, he's gobbling a gaucho goocho every morning. He's gobbling gauchos like there's no tomorrow. This Ricardo, in Argentina. He calls them goochos. He's munching on goochos. Fucking hell.

He's having a great time. And then he said to me, he goes, you know what? Do you know what? I've been on a stag do for now. It's been nearly 20. years because he joined the Nazi party in 32 he starts to tag two he gets 52 I'm going to get you know I've got three I've got three sons yeah he's

he's the 55 year old comic who's finally ready to settle down I've settled down he gets he gets Vera and the boys over better mind one of their sons is born 42 so yeah he's not basically hardly seen him yeah right so he's you know not to pull on the heart I hardly know her

my name's recanto in Argentina I want a gucucho with di gauchi Gucci gochi he's riding horses he's naked he later helps

for the rabbit farm project water filtration so is part of them getting these Nazis in is it helping the Argentine economy having all these high level

kind of like they're basically Peron has sort of said that he's he's fine with Nazis he quite likes Nazis there's quite a virulently anti-Semitic

oh yeah they don't like the Jews because it's basically Argentina is like a sort of because it's a time in history yes it's a time in history in the place in the world So there's some anti-semitism going on.

Someone's got to carry on the flame of anti-Semitism given how violently the other way Europe's just swung. Argentina is essentially, in the same way that, like, New England was the boring Cromwell, like, Puritan imported. Argentina is the spiciest anti-Semitic Europeanness imported, right? So, because of mind, the Spanish are all doing their fascist thing as well at this point, which we'll get to it in another episode. Anyway, Christ, we've been talking,

we've been talking so much and so little has actually happened in time. So Ikeben is called Ricardo in Argentina. He sends his family, he's three boys, right? He's got three boys. Three big boys, big, strapping, beautiful boys. Yeah, meatheads. Horsed.

I imagine their meatheads. Yeah. Klaus Horst Dieter. Now, in Argentina, they have another son. You know, an accidental fourth. Yeah. And they call him Ricardo Francisco. Go on.

Because. You would be gay as a meat. Yeah, they go, you know what, I'm loving my new life in Argentina, you will be gay just like your daddy. Daddy. So, but he's doing a lot of shit jobs because he's got this huge gap in his CV, even though he's logistically, he's one of the most incredible technicians. Well, interestingly, I don't know if it's revisionism, but the documentary was saying that his lack of imagination was a problem because he enters up not making much money at all. No. Because he tries to set up like some sort of like dry cleaning in business or something. Oh, he does invest in a dry cleaning business.

He tries to set up lots of his own businesses, but he's terrible. They all go bust. He has no imagination. He needs to be told. There's a lot of people we know like this. He's like, I work best when I got rigid structure and I'm told what to do. Exactly. So he's a big routine guy.

Yeah. Famously. And that's hard on you doing it. You've got to be flexible when you're setting up a business. Yeah. You've got to be doing across all the apartments, working at any hours. He's up in the morning and then he's captain bedtime at night. Captain bedtime.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Jews are in pyjamas. He's caps in bed time. Night night. In your PJs. Into bed.

I'm coming to tuck you in. So his family are over. He has another son. And in the 50s in Europe, the hunt for Nazis is being carried on by a very few disparate entities because the main governments aren't really that. The funding is drying up.

The funding is drying up. There's more, hang on, before we get on to that, there's just such funny little details. So in 1955, he starts hanging out with this other German guy who was in the SS but it was a journalist all these guys

are going, there's like a German watering hole there's like an ex-Nazi watering hole where they drink Steins they talk about the good old days

but the waiters they snap their feet when they come to the table they go when they give me yeah yeah yeah so it's just a bit of fun what does it take to home

it's like a Nazi theme bar in Argentina right it's a bit of fun and because other people are already Argentina as well Mengele who's the Auschwitz doctor Angel of Death he's nicknamed

one of the worst cunts of all time I've done an episode of that and then there's Bormons on the run as well there's lots of SS boys in in Argentina and they're all having a you know they're drinking snaps they know they're safe

they've got you know they've got gay pseudonyms Ricardo right it sounds like a pretty sick time yeah but in Europe the West German Attorney General is a guy called Bauer and he is a concentration camp

Savoye no he's Jewish but fled and went to Denmark and Denmark famously resisted the Germans from sending people to the Holocaust so he survived and then he comes back and he's sort of like do I want to be in German government and giving them what the last

government did and they're like it's a new government we're not going to do that anymore, new policy if he becomes attorney general and he basically he gets a tip off that Eichmann is in Argentina because Eichmann's son starts railing an Argentinian

girl there's a rumor about Eichmann being somewhere or they start looking for maybe they've got a new photo of him i think and they put them on the paper and she's like oh that looks just like my german boyfriend's dad and eichmann calls himself ricardo clement but he doesn't his children he's still to have the name ikeman which seems like a very stupid yeah that's the big the big thing is he goes that's the big mistake why would i why would why should they hide yeah so he's called he doesn't want to lose he doesn't want his his identity to be taken from him. No, because again, it's that kind of arrogance

that's bubbling underneath it all. So his wife and kids still have the name Eichmann and then he said that he's their uncle called their gay uncle Riccardo with the Hawaiian shirt on who they've come to live with for some reason.

So Lothar Herman who's a, fuck, he's a Holocaust survivor, I didn't realize that. His daughter is dating Klaus. Klaus Eichmann. Now, the boys are they're full on

their daddy's boys. Daddy's boys. They haven't seen the ramifications of being a Nazi. They've just heard their dad's old stories. They've grown up in Argentina, you know. Yeah, but they're like, they're like, yeah, dad was a top Nazi. My dad's bigger than your dad.

I think he would say, because he didn't know the girl who's dating, obviously didn't know the girl who was dating was Jewish. That's what's crazy. And then he's basically saying the one thing my dad regrets is not finishing all the Jews off. Yeah, because he is reported to have said, I will happily jump into my grave

happy knowing that there are five million Jews in there with me which you know when you come to the trial that's quite bad your defence lawyer is going Oh you've taken that out of context Did you say that Adolf?

Yeah so Sylvia Herman is dating Klaus and starts to put two and two together now her dad is blind and so he's like what does he look like and she's like well I think maybe that could be that war criminal or that Nazi

that's living in that house but Klaus has never like spoken about where he lives and I can't remember how they find out where he lives but basically she shows up at the house and is like can I, is this where Klaus lives and the mum is like oh yeah

come in and then there's this sort of grumpy guy walking around and they're all a bit like touchy yes like don't but he goes no it's fine it's fine my name's Ricardo Klaus is pretended that guy's his uncle yes So they're still talking about his uncle.

No, but he's pretending he's his uncle, but while she's at the house, he goes, Daddy. Yeah, yeah, sorry, you're right. Yeah. So he said the whole time, yeah, my uncle lives up with his house. Yeah, she goes to the house.

Why are you calling your uncle daddy? He goes, oh, it's just because he's like a big father figure. He bucks me. Yeah, yeah. He's gay, he's my gay uncle. We can I call him, Daddy? Can you pass a soul, Daddy? Like, yeah, it's like that.

I was saying it like that. It's all about intent. He's not an auntie. He's an uncle who molest me, all right? He's a gay uncle, yeah. He's not a bad guy. It's not weird. It's not like a Nazi thing.

He's a gay uncle who fucks me up to my eyes. He's a communist of anything. He's his last guy. Anyway, so Bauer really wants Eichmann Kort, but... No one really cares but from Bauer, but Bauer passes it on to Mossad. And in Israel, they've set up one... Not only they set up Mossad who are, you know, this is far from Woody Allen Jewishness, right? These are fucking some Alpha Chad Jewish guys.

Yeah. These are some tough nose fellas. They also, in Israel, they're compiling these huge archives of all of the Nazi holocaust stuff. Well, they're sort of, they're not yet. Oh, right. Like, so this is what's interesting is that Mossad at this point are, they've got other things going on. Right. Because the state of Israel has been founded in 48 in a mad war with the British and the Arabs.

They're surrounded by hostile countries. So a lot of national security stuff they're working on, really. Yeah, they're got a full plate. Yeah. And so Bauer basically tries to get, he can't, he doesn't want to go and tell the GDR, the West Germans, the Eichmann's there, because one of the people in the fucking West German government is like a top ranking Nazi that's just somehow got another job. It's called Glopka, who was a Nazi collaborator and he ends up working for Adonauer in the first GDR administration. Also, the Americans are using a lot of former Nazis as double agents. Bauer basically realizes that

like there's no motivation from the Americans of the old allies or the West Germans to actually get Eichmann because Eichmann's going to tie Eichmann is mates with Glopka and like the whole house of cars will collapse and they'll be like

you guys are all still Nazis what are you doing still the government and the CIA are employing Nazis as double agents so he takes it to Israel to a guy called Issa Harrell. And I think what we'll do

at this point is we'll leave this here. Ricardo is Goblin Gauchos with his kids. These kids aren't gobbling Gaugos. Who knows? His kids are basically... Well, Ricardo probably is. Ricardo Jr. is probably doing it, but his kids are Nazis. We will leave this here

on the cliffhanger. Issa Harrell, the head of Mossad has handed a file saying, Ikeman is living in Argentina. What's he going to do? Is he just going to go, ah, forget, by God. Ors, people are agons, forget about it. Who cares?

Maybe. The past is the past. I've done a lot. I've been seeing, talk to my therapist, that whole Holocaust thing. I reckon we just, it's water under the bridge. If you want to find out, it's on Patreon now. We've got probably going to have another two parts. Two more episodes.

Yeah. What do Moussard do? The first four part of the Morsad do and what happens when they get him back to Israel. Those episodes are on the Patreon. For three pounds a month, you can sign up to become a Druther and get all the episodes on a Monday morning. But either way, thank you so much for watching and listening. Alfred Desson.

See you next time.