Fin vs History - Smashing The Glass Floor As Well As The Ceiling | Margaret Thatcher & The Falklands (Part 1/6)

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

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Well, here we are. The series that no one wanted is carrying on. It's Christmas. Who else could it be time for? It's money for Christmas. Welcome back to our most controversial series. Thatcher, Thatcher, the Cumsnatch. Post-war British Prime Ministers

And listen This is the start of an epic six-parter on Thatcher And the Falklands You can accuse us of many things Sure What you cannot accuse us of Is of not providing any context for this Okay, yeah

There's been a long road to Thatcher There was a ten-part algorithm destroying series In the summer That you can have before this To make sense of why on earth We elect a woman as Prime Minister You can see the YouTube views it's sort of like

the economy during COVID and Brexit it just went like this and the economy during the 70s actually. Yeah, it's true. Yeah.

His wife Thatcher comes into it. I think Douglas Alec Hume the Titanic figure. Yes. Very much that should comes out of Hume's shadow. Yes, exactly. Everyone thought no one will be able to do it

and out of nowhere this woman comes. It took Thatcher to displace Alec Douglas Haleck. What's his name again? I don't know. I always said Hume Douglas Hume. Alex Douglas Hume.

Today we are dealing with with Mummy, Mummy's early life. Yes. Look at her there, resplendent in a Sunday best. I mean, my goodness. Yeah, she really, if we talk about aura of post-war British Prime Ministers, she must be up there. She cleans up? Yes. She's the most, the longest serving Prime Minister this country's had since the war. Yep. The most controversial? For sure. The most divisive. We're still living in Thatcher's Britain. We are Thatcher's children. Thatcher, this country is

Atley's child. Atley is its dad. And then in 1979, Margaret Thatcher puts a strap on and fucks Atley up the ass. And that's who we are today. Yes. Is we are Atley's Britain who's been pegged. Yeah. Cut dad. Bitch, mum. The bitch is back. And it's time

for mummy. We are in 1979. As always, we need to find out what people were calling tits in the 80s. So this is pretty bleak. This is almost as bleak as it gets. But the 80s is, you know, Thatcher ushers in the dawn of new money.

Yeah. She unleashes new money. Yeah, she unleashes my dad. Your dad is Thatcher's actual child. And so we need, this is the start of new money tits. Yes. So fake tits start in the 80s, I'd say. Any of that sort of wartime decorum is now being eroded.

You walk down the street in the 80s London, you don't know whose tits are fake and who's aren't because of Thatcher. Big hair, fake teeth, big tits. So if we could just, let's get chat cheapy tea up, Charlie. And if you could just tell us what a slang for boobs in the 80s. We've got jugs and knockers, which I guess are like classic ones that I guess we just thought we're always around. But it's interesting to know, it's interesting to know a world before jugs or knockers. Here we go.

80s is tits. We're in the tit now. I guess were they not called tits before? No. That's interesting. Fun bags starts. Bristol's Baps, norks. I think fun bags defines the age quite a bit.

Chesticles. Hooters. melons, cans. Because it was a lot of it, it was a concentrated area of London and the south-east just honking on fun bags while the minds were closing.

Yes. You know, it's an era of contrasts. And Charlie, just to give some contrasts, just googled what Mongolian euphemisms for tits in the 80s were,

breast button. Push my breast buttons, please. Is that next to your trouser button, your Pino button? In the phrenology heads. Women are born with a breast button, and you push that and their breasts get bigger.

So Thatcher, Margaret Hilda Roberts, she's born, Hilda, again. Is she white? Yes, she's white, isn't she? She's about as white as it gets. Yeah, it's probably. She's the original white woman. Margaret Hilda Roberts, that is. It's a white name.

That's not been cut with anything. Well, you say that, Hilda gives a, there's a bit of, there's a bit of southern. Hilda. Hilda. Shit, yeah. Get in here, Hilda. There's no way Hilda doesn't have massive jugs, do you know what I mean? Well, she, I don't know what Fatchezter's the fun banks are talking, saying.

Fucking Thatcher's got puppies. listen in the 1970s Britain is the sick man of Europe sure and what else does a sick man need but a fucking sexy nurse yes Maggie gives the sick man yeah his medicine

the milk that brings it back to life exactly yeah she get mummy gives medicine take your cowpole Britain now Margaret Hilda Roberts is born on the 13th of October 1925 in Grantham which is a

whole. Have you been there? I've been to Grantham. What are you doing at Grantham? I did a spiky Mike gig in Grantham about 15 years ago. Absolute drivel. Right. There's a promoter Spikey Mike who's full name of Spikele Michael. Yeah. He dresses... Does he right? Run a Spikey Mike run that gong show in Derby, right?

He's got the East Midlands sewn up. Yeah, yeah. He's like a local baron, right? He's like his fiefdom. He's an open mic baron who dresses like Guy Fierry. Flamed bandana and the Hawaiian shirts. and compares.

You can't really get, he's like the mafia around there. You can't really gig without him at least know about it or getting it the okay. The open mic stand-up circuit in this country has five families. Spikele Michael runs the east,

the East Midlands. Yeah. Then you've got MIRTH control, Jeff Whiting and his wife, Marley. They got the South East Sown up. Sown up, yeah. The West Country, there was a woman, what was she called?

Josh Jones got the West Country Sown up. Yeah, what's that one in the Northeast that what they do gigs are like Darlington? Oh, Hilarity Bites. Hilarity Bites, Neil Jolly. There you got to pay your respects to Neil Jolly. If you want to get in a bowling alley in North Allerton,

you've got to pay your juice to Neil Jolly. I did, yeah, Hilarity Bites. I was Hilarity Bites, new comedian of the year finalist. Wait, five. Oh, I thought you'd want to say 2017, 2018. And I had to, because I had to get my train back,

I had to leave after my set. So I went on first, died on my fucking hole. You imagine you in Darlington. Irondis, died. Get on the train. I fucked it. I came second. Wow.

So I was like, how badly did, like, how badly was everyone else after me? But you know why that was so hard for you? Why? Thatcher. Right, okay. The divides, you know, the, the seeping wounds that Thatcher leaves, means it's very hard for you to do well in Darlington. Sure, sure.

But not so badly that you can't come second because there's no fun up there at all. Even the best comedian from Darlington is not, it's finishing fourth in that. Because she took everything away from me. Yes. So Margaret Hilda Roberts, Granthor. what a hole. Now, she grew up above her parents' greengrocer's shop and the family, the Roberts family, are staunch Methodists.

And that's quite important. This is crucial. Yeah, because she's as Protestant as it gets, really. Well, it's very, it's interesting or it's not, but I was going into the different denominations of Protestantism this morning. Right. And because I was sort of thinking, why is, what is Methodism? Yes. It gets thrown around a lot.

Yeah. And, you know, we're now getting into some pretty, highly boring stuff. the different denominations of prostitism. The thing about Protestantism, Catholicism, there's a more collective tradition, right? Protestantism is like you can be as fucking nuts as you like. Yeah. You can go as hard as you want

because you just make a new denomination. That's what I mean is it seems like there's a massive, there's a tree in Protestantism. Well, you're not fucking hardcore enough. I'm going to be even more boring. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to get up an hour earlier than you and I'm a got new denomination.

It's like, it's bro podcasts getting up an hour earlier every time. Catholic is just like, we're sloppy, we nap in the day, we suck each other off. and there's a paedophilia crisis. And Protestant's like, I'm getting up at 4 a.m. I'm going up at 3 a.m. Bed, 3 p.m. Well, you know.

Separate beds. Separate beds. That's my new denomination, separate bedism. So, methodism is essentially, from what I can understand, it's that everyone has a chance of grace, but it's up to them to do it. It stresses free will. Pull yourself up by your robe straps.

it's like so whereas Presbyterianism which is Calvinist would say that everything's fucked Well Calvin is it is a presbyterian It's a branch of Calvinism But Calvinism is fucking hardcore isn't it Yes Calvin's like

It's already everything's going to That's going to happen It's going to always happen right? Everything's fucked It's predestined It's predestined Yeah everything's fucked So there's no point in having fun

because it's fucked Yeah it's predestined You're predestined to not have fun And Presbyterism comes out of that But what's funny about Calvinism is that everything's predestined But they don't use that opportunity to be like Yolo

fuck it. Yeah. It's like it's all predestined so we're going to be really conservative. It's sad Yolo. It's all predestined so let's just keep money tight.

What's your spending? If you were loose with money that was pre-dested as well. No. So it's kind of confused. I don't really understand. But Methodism stresses that it's all about free will

and that grace is there for anyone if they choose to enact it. A lot of central beliefs in America are Methodists, right? And it makes sense, the American attitude. That sort of Protestant desire American dream is quite... Yeah, so what this essentially means

is that Thatcher grows up in an environment where her religious upbringing tells her that being poor is a moral failing. Sure. Because everyone has the ability to get out of poverty. Yeah. Which, there may be some truth in that, but it completely... Got quite emotional there.

Sorry, there's some truth. I believe that. I watch... It's got emotional talking about how it's poor people's is their fault. Sorry. I've never she just articulates my belief so clearly poor people's fault that they're poor sorry I'm sorry

if you just got up early some people are born so thick and stupid that there's many that it's not it's their fault they're poor she just she just articulates my belief so strongly you know she's not the hero we wanted but she's the one that we need

she her point is is that you know I agree that I think anyone can work so hard to not be poor but her belief system completely discounts anything like structural or like what we end up seeing is that her opinion of how the state what the state can offer is like just get out of the way and let it's up to you

it's up to you do it I'm gonna close that you fucking get on with it and if you don't get on with it is your fault and it means you're never going to get on with it because you're a bad lazy thicker and you're not ever at the whims of bigger forces than yourself no yeah she's a big she's big into that iron rand Yeah, of course.

Atlas shrugged, I think. She's written quite a few. The libertarian, like the Bible. That's like, yeah, ultimatarian, which is basically just no state whatsoever. Nah, get out the way. Yeah.

Like, no traffic lights, you work it out. Yeah. Seat belts, nah. Motorway. Do you know what? We're not even going to put an arrow saying you can drive this way. Also, you guys work out between you.

Build your own roads. Why not? Yeah. If you need them. Why do you need the states? If you need a road, where are you going? We'll build the road as you drive.

Where we put in our bins? I don't know. Fuck it. just throwing rubbish and your neighbours let him deal with it. It's his fault if he's got a garden full of rubbish. It's his moral veiling. So for example, this is how

religious, her religion kind of falters in her youth. She calculates that for angels to be able to fly they would need a six foot breastbone to support their wings. So she's a kill joy quite early on I guess. I know it's all. Yes. I think she does become head girl of us.

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Let the knob see the tits. Oh, sorry, that's not a good thing. Let the lad see the tits. Muriel Thatcher. Let me see tits. No, it doesn't really work. Where is she? Oh, yeah.

That's her. Yeah. She's an absolute, back in the day, you know, she was an absolute salt. Do you? Yeah. I'm not getting that. No, yeah. She's into some absolute film.

You know she is. Look at it. Look at that fucking knowing smile. Absolute minks. Really? I'm trying to work, love. Oh, look at her there. Look at this.

Christ, chung down the snake. Fucking hell. So that's Muriel Thatcher. I'm at work. Can we stop showing pornography? Please. Now, Muriel Thatcher had a Jewish pen pal in Vienna who escaped Austria after the Anschlis.

Now, I don't know why you did, why. You know, again, we are pro-A. Anselist makes perfect sense. Of all Hitler's politics. that was the one to keep. Potentially it's maybe the fact she's Jewish, maybe. I don't know. Look, that's not the point.

The point is that Germany and Austria... Oh, you're saying that it's irrelevant, she's Jewish. Yes, at this point, it's irrelevant. Germany and Austria are the same country, okay? Yeah. The Anschlis, I don't know why you're leaving off to the Anshundas. No, I'm sure, yeah. He hasn't done anything yet.

The Anschlis makes sense. Anyway, so the Roberts family take her in, and hearing about the treatment of the pen pals family by the Nazis. So quite a woke dad in some way. becomes vocally anti-Nazi. So, you know, I get off the attach train quite early, actually. You know, she reportedly...

She's not all good, is what you're saying. Well, I think people are like, oh, what she did in the 80s? What she did in the 30s was unconscionable, you know. She reportedly shouts as a man and her local Chippy for complimenting Hitler. You want to meet the man. Can I shake your hand?

Can I put... Sorry, can I just pay for his fish supper? Halligan chips for me and get yourself on as well. The gentleman at the back's paid for this, sir. It's just me standing in a chip shop, lifting my hand. I'll get those. It's so funny to send someone some greasy chips across a bar. That's not me.

What's interesting about Thatcher's dad, though, is that he was a member of the Rotary Club. He's a big part of the community, right? And he's taken a refugee in. He's actually got quite, in some ways, progressive liberal politics. Well, another big thing about Methodism is like social justice.

Yeah. But Thatcher almost doesn't see that because it's all about the moral Social justice is up to you and if you should do it Brilliant. I'm not helping with that But brilliant, yeah, yeah. But I think her dad is obviously

much more into the social justice. But it's interesting how he seems to be like quite altruistic. Yeah. As a father and she looks like and also Thatcher, if we're going more into psychoanalysis, the biggest daddy's girl in the world, right? She can't stand her mom.

Yeah. You can define people with what relationship they have which ones the parent they're more defined by and she's so clearly one of those women who loves the dad She said that after the age 15 She had nothing to say to her mother Okay, I mean that's fair enough

You've run out of things Well, I'm mummy So there's not enough room for two monies in this house What on earth do we have to talk about now? Yeah, fuck off I'm done that. Should we run out of things to say to her mum That's not the point

Yeah There's only so many things you say to say to your mum Yeah, that's not how your relationship with your mum works Wow, milk, wipe my arse. What are you still doing here? Fuck off. Fuck off.

I'm done now. But she added it. She did a key interest in science. And she accidentally created chlorine gas and gas the science block while she was at Grantham Girls School. In 1943, she attends the University of Oxford to study chemistry. She graduates with second class honors. She applied to work in imperial chemical industries but was rejected after the the Krutus founded to be, quote, headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated.

I mean, in the 40s having a woman like that. Dangerously self-pinionated. In the 49, she was named as the Tory candidate for the Labour safe seat, Dartford. Now, during this time, she meets one of the great characters of the series, Dennis Thatcher. Margaret was like his woke puppet in a way. That was the acceptable face of the marriage, right? Well, what's so funny, yeah, is that Thatcher is the, you know, Dennis Thatcher is, his opinions are like backbench stuff. Yeah.

And when you see how extreme Margaret is, you're like, okay, Dennis, rain it, rain in the fuck in. She's coming back home and to Dennis. Yeah, basically, they had to not, he was only allowed to smile and like nod. Yeah, so he thought he's a sweet man. Because he had, he was pro whites in Rhodesia. He was pro apartheid. He, at one point in the 80s during an election campaign, she gets questioned a lot about the Falklands.

Yeah. And he then says that we were stitched up by BBC puffs and trots. So he's addicted to. being on the right side of history. Yeah. Yeah. BBC puffs and trots. To be fair.

That's how you described the BBC. That's how I describe it. Full of puffs and trots. Puffs and trots. There's trots guy puffs at the beep. She describes Dennis as, quote, not a very attractive creature, but very reserved. Dennis was a divorcee,

and she fought out with her dad over her love for him. Because the divorcee thing. I guess so. don't really know. Maybe also because Dennis was probably quite a salty dinner conversationist. These are Afghans. What are they doing? I've been to this.

So you've got a deer in your attic, right? So in the 50s, Thatcher was working for Jay Lyons and Co, which is a confectionery thing. And there's an urban... There's an urban myth that she basically made soft serve ice cream, Mr. Whippy. But it's interesting to how potentially it was done by leftists to get at her, but it seems like a compliment that she'd come up with something that's not lasting. The whole idea was basically... that it's taking, putting air into actual ice cream

and making it more profitable. I mean, leftist jokes aren't on that funny, are they? Because you made the quality of the ice cream less and just like you've done with the trains. Bunch of Trotsky's puff. Say that again, you Trotsky, it's puff. That's what Dennis is saying. Let's check in with whatever Dennis is saying throughout the series.

Now, she enters politics in sort of the 50s In 1953, she gives birth to twins, Carol and Mark. Obviously, she's already got a pair of puppies up top. They are born prematurely, and we all discuss what Dennis does during the birth on the patron, when we're talking about Thatcher's children. But she decided to not run in the 55 election because she just had the kids. In 59, she runs for candidacy in Finchley, and she wins. So she's in the House of Commons in the 50s.

She's in. The floodgates are open now. From this point on, it's just women everywhere. Yeah, how many women are in the House of Commons at this point? In the 50s? In 59. Let's have a look. I think Atley got a couple of birds in.

Let the dog see the rabbit. There were 25 women MPs out of, so 4%. 4%. And what is it now, Charlie? I don't even want to see. I don't even... We've gone 40. Christ.

10fold. 10fold. Dangerous. The West has fallen. Now, in 1961, she goes against the Tory government of the day. to vote in favour of restoring birching as corporal punishment. Caning. Burkers.

Not Burkers, Birching. Thank you, Charlie. She definitely was not restoring burkers. Now, Macmillan promotes us to the front bench as Secretary, Ministry of Pensions. It makes sense. That's on the bench. That's on the bench.

Christ. It makes sense that McMillan, you know, the first cuck prime minister, elects a strong woman, lets her through the door. He loves it. That's his mortal failing, right? It's his love of strong women who wear strap-ons.

exactly she's the first woman in history to hold the post 66 she's promoted the shadow treasury team now 68 she draws criticism for her response to enoch powell's rivers of blood speech where she basically says the bank's the river type of faming with much blood which she basically says I agree with the sentiment but he used his poor choice of words which is not the criticism I think you're meant to make no I don't think so yeah you meant to say what a beautifully articulated bad idea because he actually articulate you very well. Yeah, to be honest, yeah. It's poetry.

It's undeniably well written. It's just very racist poetry. You shouldn't be like, yeah, I just think he could have ordered it. I would have said it. I reckon you could have been a bit more blunt, Enoch. I didn't really understand what you meant, but I don't. Throughout the whole career accusations of racism kind of dog hurt. Yes.

Now, in 1970, Thatcher becomes education secretary in Edward Heath, the goat government. And this position was seen as a, quote, safe department for a, woman to run. Heath would only have one woman in the cabinet at the time. No one hates women more than Heath. Heath is the goat. He doesn't see women. What are you?

Who's around the cabinet table? Right. The first thing, we need to actually get someone to be education secretary. Yeah. And he's, yeah, and he's like, everyone's like, well, Margaret's there. He's like, there's an empty chair next to the energy. Where's our secretary? She supports the continued running of grammar schools, which was a big thing at this point.

And this is where we get the first, her first nickname. She's a woman of many nicknames. Well, grammar schools are very much, Thatcher, right? Because they sort of pour yourself up by your brain straps. By your what? By your brain straps. Yeah, put yourself up by your brain. Margaret Thatcher, as Education Secretary,

she abolishes free school milk for children at age 7 to 11 brackets except in case of disability. Well, how far is the disability going? I don't think it's ADHD. Right. Nowadays, obviously, everyone's got milk. A bloated state. now everyone's got milk can we just see what were the

the parameters of disability to still get milk and Thatcher I want to know is Thatcher taking milk away from quadriplegia I mean this is her first big controversy with the nation right she breaks through yeah this is everyone hates for this I think the image of having

the most powerful woman in the country at the time right she's the only cabinet the imagery of her taking milk away it's so far removed from what a woman should be doing. Yes, which is giving milk. It's attendance at a special school. Yep.

So you would have been fine. Yep. Yep. And you still get milk. We give you milk every record. I love milk. We don't pay him, though. No.

I get paid in milk. You get paid in whole milk. You need a certificate and you need to go to a special school. So it's basically like she is in, she's kind of the opposite of Marcus Rashford. She's get those kids off the milk. But it was a huge backlash. Thatcher, Thatcher, the milk snatcher. That was the big thing.

And it is very, you know, it's, um, people would, um, people would say it's a misogynist. There's a huge element of that, though. Yeah. In the same way that people go on about... It's just not how anyone had viewed women before. Yeah. Getting into power to take milk away.

It's just so... There's something so like almost Freudian about... You can't be... Throughout a whole career, I think Thatcher symbolically represents so much. There's a weird sexual tension between her and Scargill, I feel. Oh, yeah. There's just... The fact that a woman's doing this to, like, traditionally masculine parts of the country.

I'm sorry. There's something going on. You can't be that fit walking around with those airbags. and taking milk away. Is it airbags? People call them Fun bags, what you mean?

Whatever they are. Airbags. Yeah, because I want to just slam my head and I want to slam on the brakes and just poof. I want to get a big powdery face. I want to hit a lamp post

and smash my face into Thatcher's airbags. And you can quote me on that. I'll stand by that, Your Honor. So she gets called Thatcher the Milk Snatcher and it's a huge,

like the press go mad with it for weeks. and it almost makes a I'm checking up it almost makes a leave almost makes a relief parliament I'm going to turn into Jordan Peterson it's just a tragedy

sorry of all the series we've done of all the series we've done this is what I want this is the one I don't want I care the most about yeah of course I almost think we shouldn't really be making fun of it

it's mummy it's mother mother dearest the public backlash almost made her leave politics and she says this is crucial this is kind of her origin myth

she learns a valuable lesson Quote, I had incurred the maximum of political odium for the minimum of political benefit. Okay. That's how people spoke back then. Basically means fuck it. Yeah. She becomes entrenched. Fuck it then.

But what I think is interesting is that the way that the left deal with people on the right who they don't like is attacking them so much and trying to destroy their character, but a lot of the time that entrenched them, right? And with JK Rowling, right? Yeah. Okay, put her head by the parapet, the left made such an attack on her that she became mentaler and mentler. And I think a lot of people think

if you just keep trying to attack someone it will wear them down but a lot of the time these type of people it just entrenches them and makes them go way more radical. And she's now, she seems to thrive in a conflict. Yes.

So she's constantly looking for an enemy to have conflict with. Now, 1975, Thatcher beats Heath for the Tory leadership which forces him to go on the longest sulking history, which we talked about in our Heath episode. We should place this, really, shouldn't me?

Should we place her becoming leader, 75? So, 1975. So 1975, this is, it's before the Berlin Wall falls down. And it is after... The Berlin Wall's put up. Fine. No, no.

No, lovely stuff. Let's go on with it. That's a great placing. It's bang in the middle. Bang in the middle. Take all the fun out of the game. We've got too much history to cover. It's halfway through the Berlin Wall's life.

I wonder if that one... Powder jelly invented. I wonder if that woman has married the Berlin Wall yet. You know there's a woman who married the Berlin Wall? I didn't know that. There's a woman who married, yeah.

Are they still together? I think she's lost her husband. 1979. Oh, just before. Right, fine. Just before she married the Berlin Wall. Anyway, so, she beats heath. Now, she's supported mainly

by right-wing Tories and Southern English members. She becomes the opposition during Wilson. Wilson's second term. You can hear our take on that in our episode stop pegging granddad which is kind of that's the gist of it

so she's one of the few Conservative MPs who vote in favour of decriminalising homosexuality in 1966 which people thought was woke but you're looking back at it you're like oh

yeah but she comes back with a vengeance in the 80s but she's actually trying to do it she still thinks it's a moral sin yes so she's not doing it from like a woke angle

I think she's doing it just as a practicality oh it's just so she wants to decriminalize homosexuality because they don't be prison they need to go to the doctors to get conversion therapy. Right, right, right.

So, yeah, even though she, yeah, she does it in the least way possible. It's that thing where you ask some, whenever you ask someone the second question, you go, oh, right, okay. Yeah, I don't, I don't think they should be banged up. Oh, that's why you can't just look at voting records. You sometimes have to dig a little deeper.

Because they don't need prison, because they'd love that because they'll just fuck everyone. Yeah, they need actual, they'll be dropping the soap. They need therapy. Every time. Oh, drop the soap again. Slippery hands, these guys. Anyway, we'll talk more about Section 28,

obviously when we get to it. She legalises abortion. She bans hair coursing. She likes to retain capital punishment. She's against Scottish devolution. Now, in 1976, she gives a speech called Brisbane Awake, warning of socialism and communism, because she fucking hates the commies. I mean, this is height of the Cold War.

Yeah, this is the height of the Cold War. She claims the USSR is bent on world domination. She calls from prison to wake from a long sleep of state socialism. Mummy is trying to shake us awake from our big nap. Wake us up. We've got school in the morning. Daddy's a socialist and she hates dad Hit a gong

We had a gong at the bottom of our stairs That my mum would hit Because I was in the attic Hitting the gong to get me up Or children of divorce You'll know the way that your mother Will talk about your father She gets a couple of glasses down her

Oh, I lost years to that man That's what she's saying about Atley Right And it's socialism You know And then what's his dad saying about What's Atley saying about Thatcher Well this

Atley because he's a cuck dad Is constantly trying to see Both sides of the story and this is why he's getting fucked. Yeah. You know? So she calls on Britain to wake up and in response,

I think it's a Soviet newspaper report that calls her the Iron Lady. Trying to slag her off. Yeah, and it's like, that's one of the worst nicknows ever. It's badass. Yeah. And it sticks.

Fucking slaps. This is before she even made it to power. She gets called the Iron Lady. She's in opposition. Yeah. So if you're at this point, what is it Callahan or Wilson. Yeah.

And you should call it the ironing lady. That would have been a lot more damaging. Maybe it was Chinese whispers. That lady needs for ironing. So if she's the Iron Lady, I could be like the lead boy and you can be... You're the lead poisoning boy.

You've got lead poisoning. And you're aluminium man. Is this the... Uncle Zink. I'm Teflon. Uncle Zinc. Do you want to explain that?

No, I don't, I don't... You meant to take zinc, isn't it? It's good for... Stop getting colds. He's Uncle Zinc. Friendly Uncle Zinc. He's always there. He's always there for you. He's always there.

Uncle Zink. So we get to the winter of discontent Which we covered again I shouldn't have to keep reminding you There is 10 hours of painful Almost like like a sort of defensive Snooker match of a series That you can listen to

But the winter of discontent Labour diggers on strike corpses rotting Grave digger what Grave digger, please No not having any of that He's not having any of that these grave diggers

be tripping yeah no he's not having it he's got all red um in 79 is that about shaggy dead people sorry

no it's implying the N word Charlie lead poisoning boy shagging dead people Saville at this time is shagging dead people that's a very good point

what's Saville up to in 79 during the grave digger crisis oh oh oh not crisis for Jimmy no Christmas came early for Jimmy Otherwise winter of discontent

I thought his own as Saville's Christmas Oh you can't leave him out like that Oh well if you're gonna leave it You're gonna finish that Fuck him out And we're gonna fuck that Am I'm only you man I'm just flesh and blood

These guys aren't me I'm only a Pido What Saville doing is 79 Charlie He's up to no good I reckon No not Jimmy No no no He's a nice of the realm Yeah he's a yeah

The charity work Simutaneously I'm taking extensive Travolving for his prolific sexual abuse. Right. Allegedly. Yeah. We must say that. Jim will fix it starts in 75. We don't want to get it round that, you know, because we don't know if he did any of that

stuff, right? We can't know. All we'll say is that the rumours about Sir James Saville begin. I just don't believe that this guy could have done here. Look at him, look at him. There's no way that that guy did any of that stuff. No, come on. He's a charity worker. He's a knight of the realm.

He's like a friendly granddad. Why has you got such a regal hair car if he's a supernots? Oh, you're telling me this guy's a paedophile? No. You're having to laugh. Look, his eyes are perfectly normally close together. He's got a very lovely endearing smile. He dresses like, he doesn't dress like a paedophile at all.

No, no. He dressed like a cartoon of an upstanding citizen. Anyway, I reckon he had an absolute field day during the winter of discontent. Trolley dash. What was it? Coffin Dash. Supermarket's sweet. Want to know the real story of how Oasis made Britain mad for it?

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Anyway, the point is Thatcher wins a 44-seat majority. She becomes the first female Prime Minister in history. Bang. Right, that's how bad the country was. Yeah, it's on its knees. But the wartime consensus is collapsing.

Consensual politics is coming to an end. Yes, because even across the house during Labour and Tories, since the war, there still was, a lot of these people fought in the war. Everyone until Thatcher had fought in the war. Yeah. And so there was just a collective feeling amongst them that they're going to work out

together as two parties for the good of the country and that sort of ends here and the idea that everyone could do well or that there was a ceiling to how you could do well because everyone had to do well

yeah Thatcher gets rid of the ceiling yeah and she gets rid of the floor and she goes you can go up to the top and if you can't be asked then you'll just go to the basement

fuck off it's your fault yeah so McMillan in January 79 famously unveils a bust of Margaret Thatcher well this is his this is how good politicians

jokes are, I must remember that I'm unveiling a bust of Margaret Thatcher or not Margaret Thatcher's bath. McMillan. Keep it together, lad. Not at McMillan's bus. What, so just pulling down at... Oh, right. Yeah, Charlie, what's this? You found again? This is Margaret

Thatcher and a pig. A pig is climbing out of her tummy and she's got her airbags out. And you can see her nipples made of copper. Yeah, and so where is this, that sure? Because you show this a lot on tour. I don't know. Why was this? Yeah, I wonder why this is commissioned. I guess

calling her a pig Yeah, I don't know if it's a positive depiction It can't be really And there's a bit of leg on her There's a bit of wood on her leg She's kind of like a pirate pig lady Now

Thatcher entered office in 79 The state of the country is bad 20% inflation rate 1.5 million unemployed She sees in her cabinets a divide between who she calls the wets and the dries. Are you wet? Excuse me?

Sorry? You wet or dry? I'm dry, Karen. You wet or dry, Charlie? I'm moist. What about you? Yeah, I'm sodden. So in her cabinet, Thatcher sees weak men, and they are all men, basically, as wets and lacking

a stance. Right. So they're basically Heath, followers of Heath. She hates centrism, basically. One nation conservatism. Yeah. We've had 30 years of common. compromise, and back and forth.

Everyone's wearing suits. Everyone went to the same school. It's wet, it's soggy, nothing's happening. People who are going to compromise with the unions, basically. That's all, Heath, a lot of his government was getting around the table, trying to work something out, the One Nation touring. Not you, who are you? I don't see you. They don't agree the wets with Thatcher's extent of public spending cuts, because she wants to just fucking get rid of all.

Yeah, don't need it. Privatise it. Fuck it. Yeah. Let them work it out. Yeah, they'll sort it out. They'll sort it out. They do. and if they don't it's their fault because they're thick and poor

which is the same thing to my mind so even within the wets you've got the inner wets and the outer wets now that is absolutely gross it's too visceral the wet and dry image I think it's particularly for a woman

the milk snatcher my inner and my outer wet fucking hell Margaret can you stop being so fucking horny all the time Margaret Thatcher shuffles the cabinet

and demotes the prominent wets now in 79 Thatcher visits Japan Thatcher in Japan And the Japanese Had not hosted many female leaders And so they arranged for Margaret Thatcher

To be escorted by 20 female karate experts They're like I don't know Is this, I don't know Is this gonna go? Is this what they want? In response, the cabinet secretary tells the Japanese

Mrs Thatcher will attend the summit as Prime Minister and not as a woman per se The Prime Minister would like to be treated in exactly the same manner as the other visiting heads of delegation If other delegation need is, for example, of each being assigned 20 karate gentlemen, the Prime Minister would have no objection to this.

She does not wish to be singled out. That's probably fair enough. Yeah. Like everyone else has bodyguards. She's got 20 women who are going, hi-ya! Hey-ya! That's what they're going. But to be fair, I guess Gaddafi,

that's a Gaddafi move, isn't it? 20 female bodyguards. Yes, but yeah. It's pretty cool. He's doing it because he turns them on. No, he's doing it because no one's going to shoot at him because they'll get a boon because of how fit the bodyguards are. Now, we get to,

Thatcher's big her big policy which is monetarism it's basically saying that inflation is worse than unemployment that's her core belief that's the split consensual at the politics unemployment is the biggest thing partly coming out

of the Great Depression and at that time that's what won you elections That's it but That was the defining thing And all the consensus politicians before that They all have this sort of SCART issue of the Great Depression Lines outside the job centre wheelbarrows full of money yeah all that stuff and that is the number one thing they're trying to avoid

whereas for thatcher she goes i reckon i'm going to if people if there's like four million unemployed it doesn't matter if for the majority of people who can work and are running money uh if they as a consumer they feel like they're getting bang for their buck and they can spend money then i'm just so i'm basically going to say that they're going to be winners and losers yeah that's what she decides britain be shopping britain be shopping as andrew mr marr says that this whole period, 45 to onwards, is the victory of shopping over politics. And it takes a woman

to love shopping. They love shopping. But women will be shopping. That's not take on that truth. It's women be shopping. So, she basically made it us all chicks. Yes, she turns a country of minors into a country of annoying women. You know, this is new money now.

This is the invention of new money. Before that. You can buy anything. Yeah. Before it was like, well, you'll never get that. You had to take a thousand years to get that. Yeah, everyone's got a price. Fuck it, it turns out some yobby people

from the south-eastern now buy a hunting estate. And they're like, they're doing it in drag. Sure. You know, she cheapens it, basically. She cheathens the country. So, she enacts the privatisation of industries that until this point had been nationalised. British aerospace, TV, gas and electricity,

trains, British steel, British airways, they're all sold to private company. She sells off the family silver. Exactly. And she raises a lot of money. But the other thing... But you would raise a lot of money selling everything that we...

Yeah, but the other thing that never gets talked about is that North Sea oil comes in at this point. Huge thing. And the country ends up doing well. They find oil in the 70s maybe and they start mining it.

And we've got no resources as a country. No. So we finally get that. It's just a complete gift. And it floods in. And also the technology of how they get it out

is amazing. I mean, I don't understand it. was it radical technology or is that just how it's more just that it's the most fuck part of the North Sea and they're drilling under it too

yeah anyway so that's a huge windfall that when the economy is on its you know yeah in a storm it pumps a lot of money back if you look at how Saudi whole economy's built in oil Norway like yeah if you hit strike oil

it can build a whole economy but would you not agree because now we've got no oil left we've used all of it right have we pretty much like the North it's basically financially pretty much all gone and we sort of fuck the money away

well the problem is if you because of the privatisation of Thatcher it means that money just kind of goes back in a private hands and then eventually dissipates it's not used for long-term infrastructure projects no that money could have been used for rails for like I don't know if Xi Jinping was

doing it if you were Xi pealed yeah you know then you would do that for kind of projects that affect all people right as opposed to it just going away into private hands that the money could go globally to anyone. Yeah. Yeah. To the French people who own the fucking rails now. So, but

what you would say, what people say is that like if it wasn't for North Sea oil, then Thatcher's cuts would have been way worse. And she's able to sort of weather that storm. Also, it's worth saying how bad the economy was at the beginning of Thatcher's Yeah, and she makes it even worse.

We talk about 74 as the worst year in British history. It's probably the worst year in British political history. Yes. But probably the worst year for everyone out on the street was like, At the beginning of Thatcher, actually, it gets worse than the 70s. So employment in manufacturing decreases by 20% in her first term. It's already fucked and now it's gone down 20%. By 83, 3.2 million people are unemployed nationally.

Yeah. Right. So this is all about monetarism and the teachings of Milton Friedman. I can hear the pussies twitching through. They're getting on to monetarism and Milton Friedman. Yeah. Women are wet. Now, now...

Any documentary about the state of where we are now. it all sort of starts here, right? Milton. It's like Thatcher Friedman. When Margaret met Milton. Fucking Reagan. Yeah. So interest rates are 17% in 79.

So basically she starts privatising everything. She loses manufacturing essentially is decimated within two or three years. This is kind of her policies, her application of monetarism, individualism, moral absolutism. You're poor because you deserve to be because you're thick. That is what becomes known as Thatcherism. and in 1980s so barely a year after taking power

there's lots of pressure in the government for to repeal these policies she's basically doing what trust did but it's affecting the working class not the middle class

and trust is even fit than Thatcher okay so you know what's the you said that as if that's like a really interesting

point what's the point trust is even fit than Thatcher you said you're saying that like oh it's a history podcast what we have to remember is that's interesting

that's operating in a world where we thought that was the fittest of Prime Minister could be. I see. And Truss took that and she smashed that ceiling. Right. There's a pussy dick shift. Excuse me.

Paradigm shift, sorry. Yeah, yeah. That in no way does that work. A pussy dick shift. Now, in 1980, after pressure in the government to repeal her policy, Thatcher states, You turn if you want to. This lady's not for turning.

Because I pay. you you don't fuck me yeah that's what I think she meant yeah but she thrives uh in when she's in a conflict with something she has to have an enemy she has to have she's a wartime prime minister the whole time yeah so even when we're not at war she her war is against fucking thickos thickos old industry yeah um you know the old way of doing it canesianism she always has to have yeah some enemy so in this leads to riots all over england in 1981 uh the biggest ones are in Brixton, Toxteth in Liverpool, Moss Side, Chapel Town and Leeds. They become because the unemployment rate is so high and public funding has been slashed.

So inner city deprivation is as bad as it sort of gets. The government expands the Vagrancy Act of 1824 to increase stop and search powers for the police, which basically this gets an act along with black men and minority communities. They then call them race riots. In Brickson, 82 people are arrested. I think it's Toxteth. they kill a, the police kill a disabled man, I think. You shouldn't be doing that, I reckon.

No, that's bad for. Well, it depends what he was doing. We don't know what he was doing. There's hundreds, thousands of arrests. However, despite public cuts and privatisation, productivity in metal, motor vehicles, and shipmaking increases in the first seven years of a government. She moved to limit the power of unions through legislation which bans closed shop,

which is a workplace where employees must be employed there. she makes unions responsible for damage she banned sympathy strikes in 1980 she enacts the right to buy housing act there's a huge deal yeah this is a huge bit but back on the unions it does feel like

it is important with the context because the unions is a big contentious issue with the Thatcher era but they did have the country by the balls yes so it's the way she did it was obviously so unnecessarily brutal but it is coming off the back of the 70s where the way even the unions were acting

were completely unreasoned what I thought in the 70s. They just had the whole country at a standstill and what they were asking for. What they didn't realize basically is because they were asking was so much, they got so much less. Yes. If they had been able to compromise better. But also the unions were run by people who just wanted anarchy.

Yeah. And like people that you'd call communists. Right, right. They were mad. Yeah. It's true. So it needed, basically it was a it was mad Marxists and a fucking powerhouse And the two incredibly stubborn people who had no, the end of consensual politics in any form. So the right to buy allows thick people

to buy their homes. I mean, would we not agree that this is a terrible disaster of a policy, right? This is why we're in the housing issue we're now, right? Well, the policy might have been fine, but it needed to come with some side dishes that they never did. Right. Build more houses. Yeah. Build more social houses. Because what it basically means is that it

fucks all council houses. Well, all you could say it makes one and a half million people homeowners so it lifts people into a middle class bracket they wouldn't have been. Right, okay. But it also is the reason why we have no housing stock now.

Because now it can just kind of... Yeah. It's privatised. It keeps going up. There's no like control of house prices. Something they probably should get rid of is the Greenbelt of London. I think we are.

We just had to accept that... Brown belt. Yeah, we just have to accept that London, that whole area is fucked. You've got to let it grow. Yeah. Because everyone's just... No one can fit in it anymore.

No. It's got to keep growing. Just make everything Croydon Yeah Fuck it Okay They're not even great fields

Out just outside of London anyway No And then also just make Like basically down to Worthing Make it Croydon Come on It's already It's already a shit show

Come on You know I think Hampshire could be Croydon frankly I think leave the South Downs But up until there Fuck it Surrey Hills is nice

But yeah Fuck it Just make Croydon bigger So in 1981 We get to Bobby Sands Right, yeah. We're probably do a big thing on him but he's what...

Not Bobby Schmurder, who's that? He's a rapper. Right, okay. What controversy did Bobby Schmurder have? He's on a hunger strike, I think, wasn't he? Was he, yeah, I don't know if he was doing a hundred strike. Was he part of the IRA, Bobby Schmurder? Now, we have got in the diary, we will be picking up our trouble series.

Bobby sounds I've been chomping at the bits, talk about Bobby. Yeah. The worst MP of all time. Your words, yeah. While, you know, people were writing in about the potholes in his local area. What's he doing? Spearing a shit in the walls. He's wiping.

wiping his ass on the walls. The optics are bad for Bobby. If you are in, if you are in his constituency, the optics are bad. You've been let down. Yeah, you have been let down.

By your elected official. By the system. The system does not work for you. You know, in 2008, we had a whole thing where like, let them eat poo, you know.

2008, what are you? The hedonism of this man. You, who the fuck are you? Colligular. Wiping your shit in the walls. Well,

we're struggling. I need my bins taking out. Yeah, look, there were definitely He could have done better By his tenure He could have delegated some of the local issues Whilst he was smearing poo on the wall Bobby poo on his hands

He's got poo on his hands Bobby peel on his hands Yeah They said Thatcher's had blood on her hands Well, you got bloody pill on your hands That's what she should have said Yeah You've got blood in your hands

Thatcher, well you've got pill on your hands You've got shit everywhere Now But a brief overview of the Bobby Sansing Just Yeah He refuses food, he's in prison

because he wants to be taken seen as a political prisoner as opposed to like a domestic terrorist and she now, well... This is what happens. If you ever try and compromise with Thatcher though,

she doubles down. Yeah. And to be honest, she always comes out on top. That is her great skill. Yeah. Is that in any clash like this, you will end up losing.

And what she's very good at is articulating things that shuts down the conversation. And politicians don't do this anymore. They backtrack and they prevaricate and she, She has such absolutist moral clarity in her words that she just shuts things down, even when, you know, she's ultimate.

She was an absolute monster in the House of Commons as well. She was an absolute beast. She was an absolute beast. She was the nation's growler, let loose. She was an unshaved growler, which is why when Blair comes in, Blair has, he does get compared to Thatcher in some ways, but he's very, still, he's high. He cares what people think about him too much. He cares a lot.

Thatcher doesn't give a fuck. He does have a bit of the kind of heaths in him. of get around the table. Let's work this out. Come on, come on. Roll our sleeves up. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Come on. Come on. So basically, Bobby Sands thinks, I'll go on hunger strike and you won't let me die and Thatcher just does.

And then nine more. You don't ever try that with that. If you ever think, oh, she won't let me die. I mean, it's barbaric. Don't ever try that. He died. He died.

Yep. And then, and then when she, when she's asked about it. Sorry, Charlie's finding out Bobby Sands. Oh. Guy who just found out existed. this is like as a as a politician right she says mr sands was a convicted criminal he chose to take his own life it was a choice that his organization did not allow to many of its

victims i mean that's a killer line bang who's next back down the ground next ball fuck off yeah we're all going to start ourselves we don't care okay fuck it i think you for shit yeah boring um boring bobby sounds dead boring next yeah i mean fair play yeah uh She knew what she thought. Now, Reagan gets elected in 81, and this is where, you know, the buddy cop starts. The music starts to change here.

It's a little bit, it's sexy. That's hot under the collar. Ronnie and Max. The two bonded over their neoliberal philosophy and their hatred of communism. They speak over the phone. They write letters. Probably the best relationship

for the US president and the UK province has ever had. Yeah. Probably the most, like, personally, because there's a political, marriage as well as being personally that he really liked her he couldn't he just thought she was brilliant yeah you know they're on the phone and she'd be saying all these kind of like high conviction lines and he'd be like she's fuck me she's amazing she's brilliant yeah she's absolutely

brilliant well but they are differences though because what's interesting touch is so detail oriented right yeah she stays up till fucking three in the morning working she's over everything and what i like her regina he's apart from maybe trump is probably the least detail oriented president there's ever been he doesn't really he reads like readers digest but he also

he frames the entire world as good v evil yeah because he's as simple as possible yeah black and white he's like a dyslexic president basically

but Thatcher thinks that as well he makes everything as simple as possible they both had very simple world views yeah but they also they both arm the Khmer Rouge

great stuff I mean that's a great that's a great date night isn't it yeah that is what's really is I don't know there's just something

to get you know Bonnie and Clyde I don't know Fuck it Let's arm the Khmer Rouge Let's get those guys Some more guns See what they do

Fuck it What's the worst That's gonna happen Their closeness Leads Margaret Thatcher To speak on behalf Of the two of them Saying Ron and I think

However There was tension Do you think Dennis ever got insecure about Ronald I don't know I don't know He doesn't strike He's a very insecure man

It's a pretty fourth right opinions Yeah He was a pretty salty pint I reckon Dennis Thatcher He seems like someone He was never sat up Right in his chair

He was leaning back and just fucking... He's always at 45 degree. Oh. I reckon... Nah, I reckon back of the bus for them, Lott, I reckon. I reckon we should have

our own water fowlands, actually. Anyway... Dennis Thatcher, at 4pm on Christmas Day, lethal. Yeah, unreal. Get out of his ear, get out of earshot. He said, the most raised thing you ever heard and then farting. Yeah.

Brussels farts, after talking about bringing back apartheid to the UK. More like a fart type. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway, fucking turn that BBC, put stuff off.

Get those Trotsky out puffs off my telly. Thatcher's first turn. We can't stress how this is like a disaster for so far. It's tantric truss. There's probably never been a more hated Prime Minister at this stage. In late 1981, opinion polls show her personal satisfaction rating as a record low of 23%. Now, the Labour Party is led by Michael Foote at this point. an absolute cracker's far leftist.

Yeah. Yes. He's crazy. He's still a civilized man, I think. Oh, yeah, but I was in, I mean, politically, it was mad. Politically, yeah. You couldn't have picked a worse, a worse opponent. Now, conservatives are third behind the Labour Party and the new liberal SDP alliance.

It looks like... She's fucked. That's going to be... That bloody woman. This one term... We'll never do it again. We tried something. She's not worked.

She's bloody Mary. Yeah, yeah. Tried something. it's not worked. Yeah. We've shot it out. We tried to let you someone because they're fit.

It's not worked. Get rid of them. But then, 8,000 miles away, a group of Argentinians put a flag up on a largely uninhabited rock

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