Fin vs History - Soggy Biscuit is a White Dominated Sport | The Golden Age of Piracy (Part 2)
Episode Date: May 22, 2025The ugliest King there’s ever been dies without an heir, ushering in a golden age of pirates - who leave behind them a legacy of peg-legs, buried treasure and soggy biscuit. The show for people w...ho like history but don't care what actually happened. For weekly bonus episodes, ad-free listening and early access to series, become a Truther and sign up to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/fintaylor?utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Welcome back to Finn versus History.
I'm here with Horatio Gould.
Who are a consent?
What's consent?
Consent?
What?
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
No means no.
Who are means yes.
Who are means yes.
We're back talking about the...
Woke pirates?
Who are.
Pirates are sort of like a social justice warrior flotilla floating around, cancelling people.
Hashtag me too, me hearties.
Yeah.
Hashtag me hearties.
Hashtag me hearto's.
It's in there somewhere.
It's in there somewhere.
There's a terrible sketch in there somewhere.
You work it out.
You work it out.
We're back talking about pirates, the golden age of piracy, or as it should really be known, the golden age of mass rape.
Aquatic rape.
Aquatic rape.
Rape on sea.
International waters.
Where's rape on sea?
they voted reform
Rape on Sue
vote to perform
I imagine
they're in
the local elections
rape on sea
and the local
council of rape on sea
is reform
hey
I'm saying
I reckon rape on C
is in Lincolnshire
all the worst places
are in Lincolnshire
I'd say
rape on C
it's maybe it's an hour
from Clacton
the people from Clacton are like
you think this is bad
you don't want to get a rape
on sea. And the thing is, Lincolnshire, I don't believe, is on the coast, is it?
Yes, it is. Is it? Yeah, I think so. In Lincolnshire, the number of live births,
now I don't like that type. Live births is a horrible phrase, isn't it? Yeah, as opposed to dead
births. Thank you. Just spelling that out, just absolutely clouting that back to the bowler.
Live birth has decreased since 2013. Thank you, Charlie. Can you just confirm linkages on the coast?
What's a full-term baby? Charlie, don't you, don't you worry about that.
We ask.
Lincolnshire.
Okay.
Isn't the coast?
You're Googling strategy.
Fair enough.
Charlie's just typed it to Google, Lincolnshire.
Where is it?
He's like a CEO ordering an assistant around.
Lincolnshire.
Where is it?
Lincolnshire is on the coast, rape on sea.
If it doesn't exist, that's where it is.
So we left off.
Henry Avery had escaped.
Mugged the Mughals off.
And he'd escaped.
And there's a huge manhunt for him, but they never found him.
Never found him.
Then there's a Scottish cunt William Kidd.
Right.
Born in Dundee,
began life as a legitimate privateer.
As they often do.
As they often do.
Moves to New York.
Lives on Wall Street.
Really?
Yeah.
But before...
Before...
Yeah.
It's not the Wolf Wall Street.
Right, right, right.
This is the kitten of Wall Street.
Right.
Do you actually live on Wall Street?
He did, yeah.
And he had quite a successful career as whatever that is.
There he is.
He looks Scottish.
He looks Scottish.
That's a Presbyterian man.
That's a Presbyterian man, I've ever I saw one.
That's what I'd like to look like when I'm 60.
Grey wig.
several coats frowning I tell you what we didn't do in the last episode we didn't
place this historically for the business and they will they will be angry they will be furious
so okay we're talking about piracy in the turn of the 18th century 1700 this is after the
invention of ships obviously goes without saying right ships have been around it's a big it's
before those adverts used to get saying video piracy is a crime right um what is it
You wouldn't steal a DVD.
You wouldn't steal a car.
You wouldn't rape for five days.
You wouldn't rape someone for five days.
God, this advert just sends me back.
This was at the start of every DVD, wasn't it?
Yeah.
And you couldn't skip it.
Do you remember?
You try and skip this.
It was so iconic.
I mean, it's well made.
It's very like of the era, right?
It's that sort of like 2000's gritty grunge sort of vibe.
Yeah.
But obviously this isn't around.
saturated.
If this had been around, then piracy would have stopped.
Yeah.
If you put it in those terms.
Piracy is a crime.
You wouldn't steal a DVD.
You're right.
Oh, you're right.
I should actually stop stealing and raping these ships.
You're right.
I'm sorry, mass rapes are crime?
Right, right, right, right.
I always think that when they have sexual harassment posters.
Who is of the constitution that you would genuinely sexually harass someone?
And then you see that post and you go, oh, fuck I won't do that.
Yeah.
Who's that guy?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I want to meet him. I want to meet him.
I want to get him on the pod.
I want to shake his.
hand.
Can I
show your hand
please, sir?
Anyway,
William Kidd,
mean-eyed
Scottish fucker,
dull man.
He doesn't like
kidding around.
No,
doesn't like kidding.
He's William
adult, really.
Yeah.
William, why's that funny?
He receives a
royal commission
from King William
the 3rd in
1695 to
hunt pirates and
French ships in
the Indian Ocean.
He set sail
in 1690.
aboard his ship
The Adventure Galley
But it's quite a funny story
He's a renowned privateer
He's commissioned to go and sort out
Fuck Up the French in the Indian Ocean
He pan picks his crew
And they're leaving Greenwich
They're leaving, they're sailing out
And the Royal Naval lot of Greenwich
They pass a royal ship
And the royal ship reminds them
By firing a gun on the air
That they have to salute the royal ship
And the crew go
Nah, fuck that
And not only do they not salute
They all bend over
and get their bums out
and showed them
at the Royal Navy
they moony
the Royal Navy
What's just straight out of the gate
Yeah like
Like fuck you
Because they're like
We're better than you
We're anarchists
I guess that's the whole pirate myth
Isn't it
We're anti-establishment
With Johnny Rotten
On this morning
With Anna Nick
Fuck you
Right right right
They get their bums out
Because they're all dirty
Communist probably
Right right right
Then the Navy are like
Well if you're going to do that
We're just going to press gang
Your entire crew
So they press gang
Three quarters of the crew
Force them to work in the Navy
And then kids just
got to basically find a bunch of other fucktards.
They probably shouldn't have moon the Royal Navy.
They definitely shouldn't have moon the Navy.
That was probably a mistake.
Yeah, they've not even left London.
And they've meant to get to Madagascar and they've had their entire crew
press gang.
Yeah, it's like a stag dude breaking down on the train.
Yeah.
What is it called to Mooney and Pooh?
Is that like a Mooney Plus?
It would be a pooney.
That'd be much more offensive.
If somebody did that to me, I would be much more upset if it was just bottom.
No, because what would be, it's like, oh, they're moonying me.
Oh my God, they're pooning me.
Because you'd hear it would be two different things.
It's nine or eight.
yeah oh oh oh my god
and another
surely it's mooney then it's goatee then it's poony
goatee a goatsy is when you pull your ass apart
and you go look at my ass hole
look up dembati
my friend did that to me the other day
oh yeah well that's just how you say hello isn't it
fucking idiots
what was it for what was just for
I didn't like it though
what was it for
yeah I don't know oh I need him to witness
a witness a legal contract
so he better
over and pulled his ass apart.
Yeah, signed in the presence of my flatmate.
He's goatzing in the corner, but I guess that'll...
That'll do what it is.
It's one of those old medieval laws.
It's an old medieval laws.
It's like where you can still ten sheep on your front garden.
You're going to witness a document.
You've got to goatee in the corner.
So they moon the Navy.
Don't we talk about press gang?
Because I think press gang is fucking mad.
It's fucking hilarious, isn't it?
What's bean binging?
What's that, Charlie?
Beanbunging.
It's just...
All right.
That's when you insert.
balls into your bum.
Okay.
William Kidd is the opposite
of someone who's been
bummed.
He's a Presbyterian man.
I'll say this.
I don't know much about him
but he's never been bunging in his life.
Press gang often happen on coastal towns, right?
Press gang is when you put your bum in someone's balls.
Press gang bang.
Press gang bang.
That's when you steal the ship's crew
and then get him towards fuck each other.
No, sorry.
It's quite funny where it's like,
oh, we need some more crew.
How about we just stopped by this town
and just kidnapped?
some people.
Yeah.
They will just get off
and they'll just be someone
just a piss person in the street
minding his own business.
This is nice.
The son's out.
I've got a pint.
This is brilliant.
And he just gets bundled
into a sack.
And then he's working on a boat
for three years.
Doesn't get to say goodbye to his family.
They think he's dead.
Yeah, it's mad.
It's mad.
Imagine getting press gang.
And you think about like...
Oh, for fuck, say.
And what I do think is that
that's why some towns
have strong naval connections
is there are some towns
where you can't imagine
anyone being press ganged.
Like Edinburgh.
People are like,
fuck off.
I'm not being press gang
Portsmouth, yeah.
What do you mean?
Well, they're all just fucking
drunk on a beach
with no teeth.
And press gang is actually
is probably saving them
for the life of being in Portsmouth.
So William Kidd is,
yeah, his ship get press gang
because they moony,
which as we've said is not actually
in the grade scale
of things you can do with your ass
at a distance.
It's not that bad.
Yeah, on the Nando scale.
But maybe this is pre,
maybe this is pre-Pooning.
To be fair, I find out about pruning
30 seconds ago.
I might have invented it.
We may have invented it.
I guess it's a dirty protest of sorts.
I guess it goes mooning, goateeying, poonying, Bobby Sands.
Bobby Sands, yeah.
Sorry?
Yeah, Beanbonging will be in there before Bobby Sands.
Beanbonging is putting your balls in the bum.
Yeah.
Oh, is it?
Yeah.
Just talking to the mic.
That bean bungy is putting your balls in your own bum.
How?
Is that an act of protest?
You need to have a lot of slack, I think.
Yeah, what point are you making with that, I wonder, what...
Look what I can do.
So I guess it's showing off.
Don't come over here.
You want some.
Look what I can do.
Oh my God.
Stand down.
That mad cunt just beanbung himself.
What's the good way to get to be beanbonged someone else, though?
Getting out of a bar fight.
No, put your balls in there, but...
That's bait beanbong.
Bean bang.
Bean bang.
Bean bagging.
Bean banging.
Right, guys.
Come on.
Let's get.
We're back.
For Christ's sake, there's some piracy to talk about.
A kid set sail, but he's basically fucked it.
He has to fill his crew, the goatee lads.
They've got rid of them.
He has to fill his crew with whoever he can get, which is essentially is pirates on Madagascar.
So actual pirates.
Oh, right.
Not pirates, pirates.
He's got this letter of Mark.
Problematic men?
Problematic men.
Men who, by today's standards.
Their tweet.
brought up now are shocking.
If you're digging up these guys' tweets,
you're not going to give them jobs
in financial institutions.
They've got some salty opinions
and some even saltier languages.
Consent is for the birds,
except it's not,
crucially.
Forget I said that. Basically, they don't find anyone.
They don't find anyone to attack
for months. But
Kid has got this crew
of actual pirates, and they're obviously
hungry, horny,
scared scared they're young dumb and full of calm um and eventually they do find they
they see he he abandons the indian ocean and goes up to the red sea where in our last
episode we talked about the avery heist he goes up and he tries well does he try or does he just
stumble upon we don't know he finds this mughal ship again making the pilgrimage from surat
to hodge he sees a french flag flying and he goes well do you know what i've got license my letter
of Mark says that I can fuck up
ships that have a French flag.
So he, what he does, and this is something they always did
is he hoist the French flag on his.
Because that's something that you don't realize that pirates
had all the flags. Well, yeah.
They had the black. I don't know why more people didn't do that. They had the black
flag, which is their flag, which is the Jolly Roger.
Pride flag. Pride flag.
Yeah. Trans flag.
Some Georges.
Yeah. Any person they met,
they were like, oh yeah, we're mates.
So they're like those insincere allies. You meet those
fuck boys who are like, oh yeah, I'm a feminist.
Right, yeah. We're in a turton neck.
and reading kind of performatively in public at coffee shop hoping that women would come up to you
glasses that don't have any lenses in them purely for decoration turtleneck Sally Rooney book
yeah oh do you hear about that story of the surgeon who couldn't operate on their own son
she was actually a woman you didn't think that did you because you're such a misogynist
yeah so they raised the trans flag and they go oh fuck wrong one and then they raise the french flag
and the other ship
go, oh, that's a front of a French ship.
But then they're thinking...
Yeah, of course it's the French ship.
But then they're thinking,
we're not a French ship either.
So both ships have the wrong flag.
Avery boards the ship
because then he raises the Jolly Roger,
the black one, the Scull and Crossbones,
the black flag as it's known.
And you know that it's called the Jolly Roger
because Roger is the name for the devil.
Yes.
Old Roger.
Yeah.
It's quite funny.
Yeah.
Why is he called Roger?
It's just such a boring.
It makes them less
intimidating.
Yeah.
Roger.
Hey, if you commit sin in your life,
you'll go to hell.
Who will I mean down there?
Oh, Roger's down there.
Yeah, but if you have to spend
eternity with Roger, that doesn't sound very good.
Well, but I just sound bad, that shit.
With Uncle Rodge.
Anyway, they board the ship
and then almost immediately they realize
fuck, this is a Mughal ship.
This is the East Indic Company's interest.
Oh, is it Mugh?
It's Armenian.
Sorry, it's called the Kedai merchant.
It's an Armenian ship,
but it's under the protection of the Mughals
because it's taking them to Hage.
Fine.
Hage again, fucking out.
Yeah, they love it.
Yeah, they love it.
I tell you what, those ads fucking love it.
I'm going to go hard this year.
I fucking love Hage, man.
Man.
Yeah, me and the Mises went Hage last year.
Mate, it was brilliant.
It was fucking sick.
Do you get hard tickets?
No, I missed out.
Actually, I managed to get coach on pre-sale.
Yeah?
Yeah, so I have to get, it's time tickets.
Mate, all the whole WhatsApp group, we're all being like, right, the ticket's going to
at 8.m.
We're getting harsh tickets.
Hodge.
Fucked.
I want to go to a good place.
Service down.
Service down.
Couldn't get it.
I've heard,
I've heard,
um,
the imam's headlining.
Oh,
really?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Again,
same guy as always.
Yeah, um,
but fuck he slaps.
Yeah,
he's doing a late night DJ set as well.
No,
shit.
With a B2B with another email.
Another Eman.
It's like Darth punk.
Anyway,
so,
uh,
they're banging Hajj.
Um, and,
uh,
so a kid realizes he goes,
oh,
fuck,
this is a mubal ship.
And I'm not,
I'm not meant to be on here.
But legally,
he has a case that he's allowed to be
because of the French thing.
Yeah, I mean, yeah,
they had a French flag.
But he goes,
let's get off boys.
But then all his pirates,
his salty crew,
because he lost all the moon,
he goatsy boys.
The pirates are like,
fuck this,
we've not had anything for months.
Let's fuck them up.
Kid is,
you know,
he's going to get a killed.
He's going to get a mutinyed otherwise.
So he goes,
all right,
just do it.
So then he just fully becomes a pirate
and he robs the ship,
It's a pirate's life for me.
It's a pirate life for me.
But then he goes back to New York, hoping to clear his name, but immediately gets arrested
and sent back to London.
Right.
Because, obviously, this has happened again to the Mughals, and the East India Company are like,
fucking hell, lads, chill out.
These guys are going to Hajj.
The lineup is sick.
Let them be.
And so kids put on trial, and this is like the trial of the century.
I mean it's 1701 so it's one year old
it's the first trial
right so it's not actually
trial central doesn't really mean anything at this point
and he thinks it's a show trial
he thinks it's a farce
right so he's like
gangroo court yeah because he's like
I had a I had a mark
to you know
take on the French
they had a French flag
it's legal
it's above board
but the East India company
they need to make a British
they need to make an example of him
because there's pirate thing's getting out of control
yeah but they seem like they kind of
they're kind of like it
yeah he's the kid
Yeah.
You like, Kid.
He's Billy the Kid.
You're the like, lad.
Yeah.
He's our kid.
He might be a wrong one, but he's our long one.
Yeah.
He's our kid.
Yeah.
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So, Kid is found guilty.
He's then hanged at whopping.
Execution is warfing.
That's where they hang them.
I came through whopping on the way here.
Did he?
Yeah.
It's very nice now.
Is it?
Yeah.
Wopping's lovely.
Nice restaurants.
So Captain Kidd is, he's hanged at Wapping Wharf.
Hang by the neck till death.
Yep.
So the last thing he does is calm because that's...
Yeah.
That's what he's into.
Painful, yeah.
Lany last request?
Oh yeah, just chat me off while I'm hanging.
No, you're the last thing you experience as you hang as a painful erection and orgasm.
That's why auto-erotic fixiation is a thing.
Is it really?
Do you not know this?
No.
How's this?
Charlie, do you not know this?
But you're like, I mean, I imagine you're both doing that to each other when you're
podcasting on the other.
That's what our other podcast is about, very much.
Yeah.
That's why you do it.
Because when you hang to death, the last thing you experience is a very painful yet blissful ejaculation.
So the whole point of auto...
I don't believe that.
Google it.
You come when you hang.
Google it.
Yeah.
Google it.
The last thing that happens when you hang.
I think this is just a...
dream you had and you think it's not. No, it's the truth. I think it's just something you've typed
in. No, it's not. It's, that's what happens. Occasionally. I think it's a freak accident.
It can happen though. He's retreating out. Go to the... It's not every time that someone
hangs, it's, oh yeah. No, it happens as a freak thing. And then the observers at public,
no to the male, it's developed an erection. So you always get an erection. Right, fine. A death
erection. Type in a death erection. Let's find out. Death erections are great.
name for a band.
Death erection.
Death erection.
Would that not be a bit of a slap in the face, though?
What depends on how big your cock is?
You could barely get that out.
You were so excited.
You were laughing before you were...
It's a gift and a curse.
The speed of thoughts, a gift and a curse.
You couldn't believe your luck.
A death erection, also known as
post-mortemortem erection, is a phenomenon
where a male's penis becomes erect after death.
It's not a common occurrence.
And it's most often associated with violent death,
especially those involving hanging.
Oh, right.
Fine, fine, fine.
so for hanging it's
yeah
so you know
you could probably
I reckon Hitler
shoot himself in the head
blood
bang
hit their erection
right
violent death
all the Nazis
that were hanged
after Nuremberg
they're all getting
erections
they're getting Nazi boners
right
blood
so the whole point of doing that
is because you're trying to
supposedly the suffocating
that less oxygen
intensifies the
orgasm
right
are you sending blood away
from your neck
did you add the bit about
was it
did anyone have a bit
I had a bit about how it's only men die that way
and that no woman has ever
because women can multitask
and so they can hang themselves and masturbate
the same time, whereas men get too excited
and they just come in.
But was you the thing about how
if I'm going to commit suicide, I'm going to do it that way
because if you die you die, but
if it goes well, maybe you won't want to live longer
because if you're going to die you might as well go out.
I did have a bit about this about
if I was on the German wings plane
and it's going down
and it's like
what did you do
I just start jacking it
I just start jacking it
but then it'd be very funny
if you then the plane landed
and the person next year's like
you're disgusting
oh no sorry
can you crash the plane
sorry can you crash
actually sorry
anyway my word
so William Kidd
is hang gets a big old
rotten pirate boner
he's then tarred
it's called his body
it's called gibbetid
his dolly roger is hung in chains
hard as fuck
is Rogers flying at four mast
but his body's then covered in tar
to preserve it
and he's hung for weeks, months
as like a example
but you compare that to Henry Morgan
who did a similar thing
attacked someone and it was grey area
as to whether it was in the remit of his letter of Mark
he's made governor of Jamaica
so it just goes to show
different strokes
well I was going to say
it's more how virus has become more of a threat
pirates become more of a threat
well I guess everyone likes it
Everyone's into something different, aren't they?
This guy got off on being governor of Jamaica,
and the other guy just wanted to be hang so hard he came.
But, you know, we're all into different things.
Sexuality is a spectrum.
Henry Morgan, Charlie's just got some photos up.
His eyes are too far apart.
You don't see that on the rum bottle, do you?
No.
Did he make the rum, or is they just using his legacy?
It's using his legacy.
Right.
Yeah.
Because obviously, he's probably a slave owner.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So, we're rattling through it.
William Kidd dead.
Avery's escaped.
Now, in 1700, the big thing happens, the start of the 18th century,
King Charles II of Spain dies.
And he's got no kids because he's Spanish, he's lazy, he can't get it up, he's too tired.
There's no one to leave the throne to.
So this starts the war of the Spanish succession.
Now, I don't know much about this.
Is that the remake of...
Succession?
Yeah, but...
It's a prequel.
Spanish succession.
Oh, my God.
Is that...
No, that's...
And you're saying this guy didn't have any kids?
Right.
So for the listeners,
Charlie's just got a photo up of Charles Second.
Now,
the terrifying thing is
how good is the painter?
We don't know.
Is he a normal looking guy
with the terrible painter?
Or is you a brilliant painter
who's just doing it extraordinary?
I mean, there's several different paintings
and they've all got the same...
It looks like that guy from Wacky Races.
What's his name with the big chin in Wacky Races?
Oh, Dick Dastedly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This guy is...
I mean, what noise is that...
facemaking.
Hadsburg jaw.
We should do an episode on the Hadsberg.
The Hapsburg jaw?
What's Hapsburg jaw?
You know about this?
Is that like a sex thing?
You know, it's the Habsburg,
because there's so much intermarriage
in the Hadsburg dynasty,
they just have this extraordinary underbite.
Oh, right.
But he's Spanish.
So it's...
Kee?
K?
That's what I mean is that...
He's actually the Holy Roman Emperor.
Kappaza.
So I don't know how Spanish-y this guy is.
Me, I'm a child.
He's probably based in Germany.
Right.
So he dies, childless, which is, if you've been watching...
Shock.
I mean, if you're listening, Google him and you'll see what we mean.
Do you know what I do know about this war?
The first ever global war.
There's war, a different...
First war to have different theatres.
Right.
So arguably the First World War.
Arguably, this is the First World War.
Right.
It's not, though.
No.
Because all these different countries have...
Colonies and colonies.
there's fighting in India
there's fighting in the Caribbean
South America, Europe
it goes on for 13 years
but because it's a global war
every country has loads and loads and loads
of privateers
the mercenaries
when this ends in
1713 with the Treaty of
Utrecht
all these privateers no longer
are state sanctioned
but they've had 13 years
of having a great old fucking time
raping and pillaging on the sea
so they immediately
all become pirates.
Right.
And this is where
the real golden age
of piracy kicks in
because this is where
you start getting
people like the renowned,
the terrifying black beard,
beard of colour,
whatever you call him now.
And this is a guy
called Edward Teach.
BOC.
Sorry, he's a pirate of colour.
B.O.C.
He's called Edward Teach
or he's called Edward Thatch.
No one knows.
But he's from Bristol.
Right.
Right, right, mate.
Which immediately makes him
less terrifying.
Yeah.
He supposedly the most...
these pirates that makes them less terrifying
to be there from the West Country.
The legend of Blackbeard
is this terrifying guy with a massive beard.
But I went to Union Bristol.
I know this guy.
You met this guy?
Yeah.
Southside.
Ashton Gate drinking Perry.
You're like, all right.
You've got any spare tickets.
Yeah.
You're right.
The whole place stinks of weed.
So Blackbeard is
Edward Teach, which is
it's a weird name,
but it makes sense if you know
the West Country because they take the aisle
of everything.
All right,
cheers drive.
It's all the same thing to get off a bus
rather than thank you driver.
Right, right, right.
So he emerges around
1716 black beard and he commands a ship called the queen anne's revenge and it's a former french
slave ship and he's got 40 guns and it's a big old ship and he he what he does uh apparently
he's not actually that ruthless he's not that um violent he does it all in reputation it's much
you're much more successful as a pirate if you if they if they hear about you he's spent a lot
money on the PR yeah he's a very good PR man right so putting him in the guardian he's getting all these
pieces about him being terrifying you're writing an article for the guardian yeah yeah yeah um so what
he does is he goes well if people are afraid of me then when they see me they'll just give up
the surrender before i have to waste any ammunition on taking it right so he's a that's why he's
like a show pirate that's why he's getting this massive beard he's got this big beard and apparently
what he does is he puts slow burning fuses in the beard so that like fire comes out of his
beard oh so he's he's a musical theater guy he's a carney
What's a Carnie?
Carnie.
What's that?
Like a gypsy circus freak.
Charlie, you know what a Carnie is, don't you?
No, I thought I was a shot of Carnival.
Yeah.
Or Chilicon Carnie.
It's not Chilicon Carnie.
Right.
No, a Carnie.
Like, get those fucking Carnies off my lawn.
Yeah, I guess me and Charlie are less racist than you, I guess.
No.
I guess we don't.
Yeah, put it in a sentence.
With a.
With a fucking lawn.
With an E.
With an E.
With an E.
Carnie.
Go those carnies on my lawn.
There's that guy.
Right.
Carnies are people who work at fairgrounds.
Oh, right, right, right, right.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're circus freaks.
Anyway, um, blackbeards are filthy carney.
But yeah, so there's a showmanship to it.
There's a, there's a campness to it.
And also, the pirates are quite camp because a lot of the ships they'd steal from,
they would, and Blackbeard's crew, right?
They would wear all the stuff of these rich people, right?
But that would often be women's dresses.
It would be like silks.
Yeah.
So they did look really quite, quite zesky.
Hey!
Old Rogers
Come in and get you
Yeah, wearing dresses
fucking
Well they're Dan
I guess this is
But how much
This is myth
How much of this is true
We don't know
Blackbeard
Is sort of the
basis for
The Modern Pirate
The Modern Pirate
So
Is he played in Pirates of Caribbean
By Keith Richardson?
Is Keith Richards
In Pirates of the Caribbean?
He's in one of them
Yeah he's Jack's dad
Is he?
Oh he's Jack's dad
Oh
But you know Pirates of the Caribbean
I think it's three
Is the only film
I've ever walked out
Yeah it's so long
I was on a date and we went, no, let's go.
Was this that the one with the interval?
Do you leave at the interval?
No, there wasn't an interval.
We just left because it was boring
and I hadn't seen the second one.
There is an interval.
I think you left before the interval.
I couldn't get over how this was a crime.
Yeah.
These are criminals and we're just glorifying it, are we?
That was kind of the zenith of big releases being super long.
That was like, because there was for ages
that like big blockbusters would be like often being three hours.
And I think that was the point where everyone got sick of it
and they started pulling it back.
So Blackbeard, it's,
funny how he's renowned as a pirate
because he's not actually that successful.
There's a guy called Black Bart, who's way more successful.
Right.
Just worse PR.
Worse PR.
Anyway, Blackbeard is supposedly terrifying.
And his big thing is that he, in 1717,
he blockades the port of Charleston in South Carolina.
So he'd be banging up and down the eastern seaboard of America.
And he sees his ships and hostages.
And this is the funny thing is that it's so cool.
It's one of the biggest halls in pirate history.
It's up there with the kid and the Keday mode,
the Keday and the Gangeshawar.
But all he gets from this big blockade is a chest of medicines.
Rubbish.
Because it's cowpaw.
But it's not actually.
But he desperately needs the medicine because basically everyone on board has got clap.
Definitely.
Because they're all fucking each other.
Yeah.
Because there's no women or boys allowed.
And so they're just fucking each other in the bar, I think.
And I think probably this is where Soky Biscuits invented.
right and well the biscuit a navel biscuit very robust yeah it's a robust thing that if you're going
to play soggy biscuit the top level would be an old naval biscuit yes yeah that's like yeah that's
it's very hard to make soft level soggy biscuit it's the driest biscuit in the world professional soggy
biscuit isn't it's with navy maybe biscuits yeah ground crackers Olympic standard yeah yeah
Olympic soggy biscuit of which I am in the running for this year I'm trying to I'd like to be
this country's nominee for yeah I mean you won regionals I did recently so yeah I cleared through
It's sailed through regional.
It's nationals that is the big...
It'd be fun to do a...
It'd be like a cool runninges remake,
but it's not bobsled to get soggy biscuit.
Come running.
We are the Jamaican soggy biscuit team.
Yeah, it's a very white-dominated sport.
Obviously, it's a wide-dominated sport.
It's a private school thing.
Soggy biscuit.
What are you saying?
There's a lot of elitism to the soggy biscuit.
It's kind of like parlor.
It's like it's hard to break in.
One of my main missions is to break down barriers
so that more black people and people of color
can play soggy biscuit.
I've started a charity
called Soggy Biscuit for All
We're an inclusive sport
I've already got Sebastian Coe signed up
But do you think
Do you think if black people started
doing soggy biscuit
Would it be similar to when black people
Start playing basketball?
It's not fair
They just start dominating
Something about them
They're better at it
They're coming faster
How is this possible?
They've got more come in them
I have to eat a soggy biscuit
I'm also
I'm also
I'm also
campaigning
for a
Paralympic
Soggy Biscuit
I actually
would like to do
the Invictus Soggy Biscuit
which is war veterans
Prince Harry
is sponsored
an Invictor's
Soggy Biscuit
for men who've lost limbs
Can't use his arms
How is you going to do this?
Oh well
that's the joy
of the Invictor Soggy Biscuiticcett games
is that
it's just seeing
Your mental dexterity.
What?
Just he makes himself come with his...
He hangs himself.
They hang him.
Anyway.
So what on earth are we talking about?
Oh yeah.
So they've all got the clap,
Blackfish crew.
And so the chest of medicines...
It's a round of applause.
The ship is a round of applause.
They've all got...
Whatever.
What is clapped?
Sorry.
How do pirates white their bottom?
That's quite interesting.
Pirates in the HR sell generally used communal tow rags
or swan.
So they shared a rag to white their ass.
Right.
And they called the toilet the seat of ease, which is quite nice.
So they're communists.
Right, yeah. Share it.
Yeah, share a toilet paper.
Anyway, go on.
Everyone on board Blackbeard's ship has got venereal disease.
So part of the big haul he gets from blockading Charleston is mercury.
Because what you would do in this day and age to cure yourself is that you would inject
mercury up your cock.
Right.
And you would then die from mercury poisoning.
but you would no longer have the clap.
So it's a lot of throwing the baby out
with the bathwater. Sure. But you
do no longer have a clap to be there to them.
But it's that age-old problem
if it's the cure worse than the disease.
Right, right. Yes, because it's a death sentence.
Right. So anyway, so in 1718,
Blackbeard accepts a royal pardon
because this is where
after this sort of five years of
insane piracy after the Treaty of Utrecht,
the Royal Navy clamped down, and they send
out a guy called Wood something.
Woods, Roger Woods.
I don't know, it doesn't matter.
They send him out and they go,
you've got to sort this out.
The Caribbean's infested of pirates.
You've got to sort it out.
And so he starts the system of going,
it's an amnesty, it's a pirate amnesty,
royal pardon.
Hand over your treasure.
Yes, that's the bit.
And we won't kill you or anything.
Yeah, you've all,
anyone, no matter what you've done.
Yeah.
If you promise not to stop pirating,
you're forgiven.
Woods Rogers, that's his name.
But is this at the height of Nassau.
Yeah, I think so.
And Nassau is like Port Royal.
It's like a pirate colony,
but it's basically like a state almost.
now it's like a pirate free state basically and this is where he's going to root out piracy he's he's
he actually sieges this out i think oh does he i think so yeah right so uh black beard accepts this royal
pardon but immediately goes fuck you and returns to being a pirate yes because he's a cool guy yeah so
then a governor alexander spotswood of virginia hey y'all hey y'all i'm alexander spottswood
and draw i want this black beard this i don't like the sound of this i wonder why
This black fella.
So he sends Lieutenant Robert Maynard of the Royal Navy to hunt him down.
Blackbeard eventually meets Maynard in a mad battle off Ocracoki Island, North Carolina.
And apparently, go on, that's nice.
What are you going to say?
I was going to say that they have an insane 40 minute.
45, yeah, 45 minutes.
Sword fight.
It's kind of like an episode of this podcast long.
Yeah, it is.
I was talking about the whole of this episode.
So we were talking about 40 minutes.
this entire time Blackbeard's been fighting
Ting, ping, king, bong, bong
Yeah
And what's it called?
Maynard stabs Blackbeard in the leg
First thing Blackbeard says
Oh, well done, sir
Or well dancer
I guess after 45 minutes
You got a...
Well done, sir, and then he cuts his head off
And Blackbeard goes
Oh, well that's a bit, yeah, not that.
Well, don't cut that bit off
And then shoots him five times
Fair enough
Because Blackbeard has been
terrorising
British interests
in the colonies
for five years
so apparently
Blackbeard suffered
five gunshot wounds
and 20 plus
sword cuts before dying
and having his head cut off
and then Maynard
then hangs Blackbeard's head
from the ship
and they say that
up and down the eastern seaboard
for like weeks
and months to try and
again they're just trying
to like
de-glorify
and turn people
away from being pirates
so they take it on tour
yeah they took Blackbeard's head on tour
heads on tour
but this is like we were saying
about how they didn't do this
with the Nazis
yes this is like a procession thing
yeah I guess so
yeah
do you think it was good
I guess it's because of the
yeah they're trying to show
that they're above it
I do think it feels more likely to happen
again if you parade heads around
well this is the thing
is that everyone
it's what happened after kids' executions
is that everyone goes
oh well I actually quite like
the idea of being a pirate
and you've just reminded me
that pirates exist
so I'm going to go me a pirate
oh really yeah
so it actually increases
you know because at this same time
any press is good press sort of stuff
at this time the privacy is in the press
you know they're becoming
um like figures of fun
there's a play that opens
called like the pirate show
yeah there's a play that opens the West End
called the Pirate King
right and it's all about Avery
and it's kind of like
well there's the Pirates the Penzance
I mean that's much later
that's far later
you've not placed it at all well
but it's in the pirate myth
making starts basically
at you know in the early 18th century
similar to Ripper it's happening
Yeah, it's happening at the time.
And so for all the Royal Navy
and the government's attempts to clamp down on it,
people just love it.
They end up putting his head on a spike
and putting it at this point
in the river near Carolina, I think.
And that's now called Blackbeard's Point.
And people would just use that as an actual, like, thing.
His old skull would be there.
But people still love it
because this is back when rapists were lovable.
Right.
You know, this is...
This is brand's Big Brother days.
It's Big Brothers.
mouth that I'm going to pick my dick in whether you like it or not that's you know
people really should have read the rest of that show's title in brackets shouldn't they um it was
obvious at the time yeah this is this is brand on channel four it's like oh he's a he's just a jack the lad
yeah yeah yeah yeah and so piracy continues uh but the royal navy at some point after after
you know black beard they go right we've really got to get on with this because
obviously britain at this point it's become clear that the navy is the way for
Britain to make money.
Right.
They develop Royal Navy ships to hunt pirates.
And they finally, after 70-odd years, actually go, do you know what?
We need to actually have fucking base in Jamaica, Bahamas.
So it all just gets a bit more official.
Yeah.
And they make admiralty courts for pirate trials.
And so basically by the 1730s, piracy is essentially suppressed.
Right.
Black Bart, who was the most successful pirate, I think he stole 400 ships.
right fuck so he's not that well known because again he didn't have the PR and also
his pictures are worse yeah his pictures are worse but also his his whole thing um so he's the guy
who created the pirate code he's very strict so he's like lights out after 8pm which is quite
funny for a pirate really lights up at 8pm curfew no women and boys obviously right dividing up
the loot equally this is quite funny compensation for injuries different limbs were you give
different amounts.
So you know those
adverts where it's like,
have you had an accident?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You could be tied to conversation.
Yeah, it's an only version of that.
So an arm.
Injury lawyers for you, basically.
Injury lawyers for you.
Yeah.
A loss of a, now your right arm
was 600 pieces of eight.
I mean, it'd be funny.
An injury lawyer's for you advert
thing of pirate.
Has your arm being chopped off
on a rate mission
on the coast of the Bahamas?
Or you could be just...
Yeah.
Again, this is back when, you know,
people were siding with the rapists
after the...
I'd love to be an actual.
one of those adverts.
I always thought,
Ninja Lois for you.
They're such a funny advert.
It's just up a ladder.
Ah!
Being run over by like a forklift.
So a piece of eight,
which is about 28 grams of silver,
it's now about 30 quid.
Okay.
So, I mean, it's mad maths,
but what's 600,
what's 630 quids?
18 grand.
I mean, it's quite a lot, is it?
That's good.
So if you lose,
your right, your right,
well, when I did it,
yeah, it's not anymore.
It's gone down.
Yeah.
Now it's about 300 pieces of eight.
Fucking out.
For hosting.
If you're right.
right arm it's 18 grand your left arm it's like four grand right because they just assume everyone's
right hand is right which if you're left handed then you're getting a raw deal yeah um fuck yeah
loss of an eye is the same as a loss of a finger which is about well that seems a bit silly
yeah i'd i'd i'd price an eye i'd i'd play 250 for an eye maybe well you've got less eyes
you've got less eyes than fingers so surely you'd you're an eye is more is well one eye is 250 and both
eyes, that's got to be
a thousand pieces, right?
You're blind.
But it's supply and demand,
isn't it?
I've got more fingers than eyes.
So the market is full of fingers.
Right, right, right, right.
But eyes are a commodity.
And your legs is like,
who gives a shit?
500 pieces of weight.
That's in fashion.
That's in value.
You're more pirate than ever.
Loss of a finger was typically
compensated with 100 pieces of eight.
So the eye and the finger is worth the same.
Yeah, that's what I just said.
Oh, really?
Yeah, do you remember a minute ago?
Literally a minute.
go in this room right now yeah through a microphone into your headphones
unbelievable unbelievable into your noise cancelling headphones
we're speaking directly mad it's insane it's basically like holding a pipe and shouting
into your ears and then 10 minutes later oh i just found this fact out have you i wonder how
you'd Charlie be the easiest person to incept what in inception yeah it'd be a much worse
film you'd have to go it's not a dream within a dream it's the first dream it's you don't have to
go into the dream he's just awake oh by the way you think this I did oh do I okay
Fine.
It's a short film.
I think that's what makes it.
The charm of Charlie is he is genuinely trying his best.
It's just his best isn't good enough.
But it's not good enough in the most unpredictable way possible.
That's what's so funny.
It's not like, oh, he's done that again.
It's like, how have you done that?
How has he done?
It's like a dog who brings you back.
Like I'm supposed to know.
A different dead animal every time.
How the fuck have you found that?
Oh, what are what I meant to know?
Charlie, you failed your exams.
Well, yeah, of course I have.
It's not my fault.
You're meant to teach me.
So interestingly, pirates actually, they start democracy.
Obviously, life on land for landlubbers,
such as yourselves, landlubbers, filthy landlubbers,
is very strict, harsh, unequal.
But for these sea benders,
these bisexual men of land and sea,
captains are often elected,
quartermasters.
Quartermasters is like a checks and,
balance i think it's someone who can like keep an eye on the captain not getting too big
yeah captains had full authority in battle but the quartermaster basically oversaw like the daily
life and HR he's HR yeah he's pirate HR HR HR HR I'm in HR do you know what I say that's the
cleanest joke we've ever made on this podcast that's good stuff do you know what I also saw
your eyes widened and he didn't quite know how it was going to come out and then it came out
came out perfect
you know
when you just let go
of a ball
you don't quite know
and it's just
you think
as you've released that
you think
that's taken
out of stump
that is
that's a beauty
HR
HR
you know what
if you listen to this
podcast
you think
I wish I could
play this
with my kids
around
I can't even riff
with that
that's there's no
notes
no note
no you're offstom
's been taken
out of the ground
you're walking
you're walking off
HR
HR
but
there's no to
topers to that
if you listen to
if you listen
to this is my
kids, just play that
20-second section. Before we get back
to talking about rape.
Rape. Rape.
Rape.
Right.
Oh,
I'm not getting paid enough for my raping.
We'll talk to HR.
You want to talk to HR.
Anyway, stop saying it.
Do you get to death now.
So,
major decisions like
attacking ships were put to a vote.
Yeah.
Then you had gambling was for
bidden, you know, so it's
quite austere.
What's it? I guess a lot.
So like Ray Winston
ads.
Aye.
Oye.
Remember to always
Campbell responsibly.
Rainer fun stops.
Stop.
That's my favourite.
My very bit is they have this whole thing
glamourising and then they have
legally, you have to get Ray Winston back out and say, yeah, if your wife's
leaving you and your life falling apart, then you should probably stop.
But also, if you don't, we don't give a fuck because we make so much money.
Yeah.
300% Acker.
You're going to be clean big
Every game
Don't do it though
Don't do it
Don't do it
You'll make loads of money
I know other people
I'm a fucking idiot
Would do it
Yeah
Come on
Meet me after
Meet me after Zad
So it's quite funny
How austere it is
I guess all the pirates
You know
They're Scottish aren't they
So they're Presbyterians
Well I just
I just get
You can't really get
This off the ground
The thing about
The age of sale
And the admin of running a ship
Yeah
If you're a well-run ship
You can take over the world
with well-run ships, basically.
It's so important.
It means that the kind of innovation,
not only the British Empire,
the Industrial Revolution,
the civil service,
all of that comes from the Navy
because the level of organisation
you have to have is so extraordinary.
So that's why there's so many innovations
in this field is because you just cannot survive
on the open sea without an extraordinary
kind of small,
an market system of government,
right?
But I guess it's funny how then you've got these pirate coves
where there was just shit everywhere
and people were...
Well, that's on the land.
No, but on sea, it was like we're tightly controlled.
Because you will literally die, but on the land, it's like,
who gives a fuck?
He gives a fight, it's land, is it?
So, musicians were allowed to, we're allowed Sundays off from playing,
lighting candles near gunpow, it was prohibited.
I said, yeah, how, so musician, how much?
So is that just every night, you do a set?
Oh, God, they're doing the fucking sea shanties, aren't they?
Yeah, they love it.
Do you love a sea shanty?
I don't know, they're like the TikTok ones.
Oh, no, I hated that.
Any, yeah.
Yeah.
The sea shanty craze, I just did not.
get on board with us or I just thought
everyone was a nonce. Should we wrap this
episode up? I'm getting quite hungry.
I want a big sandwich. So what we should wrap this up by saying
that the legacy of the golden age of piracy
is it's essentially
turned what was
80 years of mass
rape into a fun
little costume for your child to wear on their third
birthday. And the reason it's done that is because
in the 1730s after the piracy is clamped down
on, people write books where they
embellish all the romance of the
Pirates. Leave out all the mass rape.
Leave out all the mass rape.
But they talk about William Kidd, what he did was just before he died, William Kidd,
he tried to bargain by saying, I buried some treasure off the coast of New England.
And if you spare my life, I'll find it and I'll give it to you and it's £100,000.
They went, I don't believe you.
And he probably hadn't buried it at all.
And the whole buried treasure myth is bollocks.
There's almost certainly no buried treasure anyway.
but people start writing it.
It feels like the British public
I've always loved a mystery.
Yeah.
Anything like that.
Jack the Ripper,
all these things
always, they can't believe it.
They love soaps.
Society standards,
it's just like what's going to happen next.
Madeline McCann, Poirot, all of it.
Yeah.
But still to this day,
there's a French guy called La Bouce, the Buzzard,
and his grave is buried on La Reunion,
which is a big pirate place as well,
island off the coast of Africa.
And still to this day,
because he was so virile
and fertile, people go to his grave
and they leave bottles
of rum, or they drink rum at his grave
when they're trying for a baby, that's what they do.
Right.
Because he was such a, you know,
still people love the manly idea of pirates
so much.
Is that Labus?
Big nose.
Yeah.
I mean, he looks ugly, but he's ugly hot, I'd say.
Yeah.
Women are finding him hot.
I can see it.
Yeah.
He's got that Vincent Kassell nose
that you want to chew on.
Yeah.
He's got a nose women want to sit on.
and those
the face that launched a thousand shows
yeah we wouldn't want to sit on
tell me lies Pinocchio
tell me lies
yeah
so yeah it's
the whole thing about
like walking the plank
I don't know where that comes from
does that come from J.M. Barry
is that Peter Pan
so much of the pirate stuff
is basically myth
it's Treasure Island
Long John Silver
all that is people
romanticising kid and
oh yeah Treasure Island
Avery and
you know, where does
walking the plank come from?
Who wrote Treasure Island?
The Scottish guy.
What's he called?
Alex Hammond.
Not Alex Hammond.
Robert Louis Stevenson.
Right.
A sickly man with a robust imagination.
That's what I'd call you.
But to sum this up, I suppose.
The golden age of piracy
was an awful time.
It was 80 years of pure crime.
And for some reason,
it's been mythologised
so that now
you know
dandy people
Russell Brown can still get away with it
yeah yeah
it's always yeah
never trust
never trust a guy
with painted nails
no do you know what I mean
he's trying to
he's trying to come across
this sort of non-binary whatever
but he's a rapist
yeah that's the lesson to take from this
right and on that
we'll see you next week
all non-binary people are rapists
that's what that's what
Horatia wants to leave me with
we'll leave the episode on that
that's the goal be the goal
native piracy.
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