Fin vs History - The People’s Republic of Jiblablabah | The Rise and Fall of Colonel Gaddafi (Part 2/4)

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

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The Conjuring, last rights, only in theater September 5th. Welcome back to Finn versus history. As ever, I'm joined by my brother, Horatio Gould. My friend, very good. This is the second part in an epic series about Muammar Gaddafi. The man himself. Fashion icon. Kachiki.

Kachiki. As Horatio started to call it, Mural. mark a cheeky we're entering his cheeky era would you say? Yeah this is cheeky boy

he's a cheeky boy I am the cheeky boy you are the cheeky boy He's very naughty He's the naughtiest I mean where would you Because there's a lot of Underhand

It's subterfuge He is just I guess he doesn't He doesn't run a big enough state where it's like America's going to start a world war So instead he likes to meddle

He needs attention Yes And it's very easy for people to forget about Libya because it's quite an irrelevant country. Who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? Yeah. It's got oil but there's countries way more oil. Yeah. So it is just his force

of personality that keeps bringing Libya back into the mainstream. And now Gaddafi's gone. No one talks about Libya anymore. Who cares? Who cares? What even is it? He is Libya? It's Kane leaving Tottenham. Yes. Oh, that's huge.

Who cares about Tottenham? Who gives a fuck? Yeah, who gives a shit? Yeah, they've got money. They've got a stadium, but who cares? Because as bad as Gaddafi is, he has a lot of undeniable star power, right? He's a list. I don't think there is a dictator who has grabbed the imagination with so little resources. Yeah, exactly. Like Hitler had Germany.

Exactly. A terrific country. Yeah. Like Mussolini had Italy. Germany has a lot of things that go on after Hitler. Yes. And before. And before.

As we've discovered, they were always going to do that. Because they were always doing it in the Middle Ages. As brutal as his regime is to the poor Libyan people, it's still Gaddafi is synonymous with Libya. He is arguably more famous than Libya. Yes. It's because he was there from the birth of Libya, part of the reason why Libya is so fucked now

is he's so interwoven with the identity of Libya. It's hard to know what comes after. And he literally took all the money away and spent it on clothes. Yes. Yeah, he did take all the money that was meant to be spilled on roads. Yeah. He spent it on clothes. His sons, spending it on tigers.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of reasons. It's not just the fact that the symbol's gone. Yeah. It's that he ransacked the country. He ruined the country. But from an outside point of view, in a very funny way. We're talking about Muammar Gaddafi. We left off with a handsome man, gorgeous chiseled man.

He had promoted himself to Colonel after a bloodless military coup. This is, he calls himself Colonel Godaffi. He renationalizes all. oil he builds houses female education it's Blair of the north Blair 97201 he's building houses sure start yes what could possibly go wrong if the CIA assassinated Gaddafi people will be wearing him on t-shirts yes yes in the room because I do think with any of these revolutionaries it is a blessing to be a martyr yes Che Guevara he's a hero because he was killed I bet if she Gavar got in power for 40 years, he would have been, yeah, dodgy plastic surgery.

Fidel Castro, if you kill them early, they become... Bill Hicks. Yeah, Bill Hicks, judged off two hours of material. Yeah, brilliant. Brilliant. What a revolutionary comedian, really? It may he wasn't very funny. Imagine Bill Hicks.

Everyone's like, I just wish Bill Hicks would be here today. Yeah, what would he have to say about now. I'll tell you what he had to say, bloody wokes ruin comedy. He would just be like any fucking comic now on the podcast. Yeah, he'd be Joe. Rogan. I know exactly what. It'd be exactly the same.

I was stopped in the street by a white guy who'd lived in Japan for 20 years seemingly. So he had like a strange, he was English, but he had this weird half Japanese accent. It was odd. They were taking photos of me for a Japanese street mag. So it was just like, I guess it was just like going around the streets of London, taking photos of people. Or the most British man I can find. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly. For them, they're like, oh, Harry Potter. Yeah. And he asked what I did for a living. I said comedian. And he's like, I love Bill Hicks, man. And he said, people need to be more political. And he said, be brave, be political.

And he said, and he kept going like, be brave, be political. So I think that's what he wanted from a comedy. Bravery. Be brave, be political. I want my comedians to be brave and my fireman to be funny. That's what I'd like. Look at that hilarious house fire. Could you put us out in the most funny way possible with a clown car?

Could you just squirt a clown flower out of your nose? So Gaddafi has taken power. He's doing a lot of good things. He's giving women education. Some of them aren't good. He's educating women. He's teaching them how to drive. Nobody's perfect.

One of the first instances, the international community gets a sense this man is deranged is when he gives women an education. This guy's an upstart. Your first warning, Gaddafi. Okay, one strike. So Gaddafi in his foreign policy quite quickly

starts to get quite fruity he's always asking his mates in Tunisia and Egypt if they want to join his gang please let's be one country and who's going to be in charge of that me my friends me my friends please what do you mean what's he was not that powerful even

it's just is his force of personality it's three cities in the desert it's like Australia and he's like well can I run an entire empire of North Africa no no fuck off we're Egypt we've got Pyramids. Yeah. Please.

Please. So he's like, listen, we like falafel, we like fatouche, we don't like wearing pants, we smell amazing, we wash our bums, we wear dressing gowns, let's all be one country. And everyone else is like, fuck off your mentor. Yeah. Which is fair. Which is fair. Oh, they eat camel, do they?

Cuscus and camel. Cuscus and camel, please. I'll take the cuscus and camel, please. One cusscus and camel. I reckon that calf down the road may do camel. camel meat typically tastes like a combination of lean beef and lamb gamey flavour tough and dry yeah it's desert it's sort of it's it's borderline I'm a celebrity

yeah yeah yeah oh Charlie Charlie that's a man pulling apart a camel hump with some black gloves thank you Charlie but like he's like salt bay yeah camel bay anyway uh Gaddafi is soaring high on a popular popularity He's doing lots of stuff. He's handsome. Great drawline.

Lovely draw line. So at this point, what, 72? Yeah. He must be 30? Yeah, he's 30 years old. Or we think, because we're not sure when he was born. He's about your age at this stage. I'm 34.

So he's younger than you at this stage. Yeah. So he really wants to join with all the other North African boys. They say no. So he then starts going, fuck it. Chad, do you want to be my friend? Yeah, he basically, he looks to the Middle East. He gets rejected.

And then he's like, okay, because they've got more going on. I'm going to have a better shot in sub-Saharan Africa, basically. I'm going to, right, I can't bully that guy. I'm going to take disabled kids' lunch money. Because I guess North Africa has two identities. Because technically it's the continent of Africa, for sure. But because of the geographical barrier of the Sahara Desert, North Africa is far more culturally, the Middle East, basically, and always has been.

And Europe, you might say. I guess, well, these days. Every single time there's any sort of video from India or the Middle East, there's someone in the comments saying, Is this Birmingham? Have you not seen the AI? Is this Birmingham? Have you not seen the AI videos?

Just a normal day in Birmingham. So I get these videos. I get these videos on TikTok where it's like you're waking up on the Titanic in 1912. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But have you seen the ones where they're like, it's London in 2130? It's just, the streets are covered in shit. And it's just people in terms. And the soundtracks, and the soundtrack is just, oh, no, la, la, it's the same account.

AI has given the tools to racist. Because I think in general, because of AI now, you can like, yeah, but you can create such high quality-looking racist imagery. It's fucking mad. What's that? Is that poo in the tube? Normally, racist lack imagination. So they can't draw very well. or create very good art,

all right, if you're severely racist. But the problem with AI is you can just type in racist prompts and it 3D renders all of your thoughts and imagination. So now there's a whole palette that racists have never had before.

That's true, yeah. Where they can just sort of like, they can come in the game of making, like, building new worlds of racism. The only thing I'm slightly hesitant about is that in the Renaissance episodes, we discovered that I can't draw.

And now feel like back. And me saying it doesn't fucking surprise me. It feels quite backwards. corner then um anyway what we're talking about oh north africa yeah it's a strange place it's um so yeah he looks down now it's pan-Africanism so he's he's dropping the the arab robes and he's now doing leopard prints he's wearing like i don't know what these hats are but he's looking a lot more yeah he's less into the fatigues i mean maybe that's a bit slightly later on i think probably towards the back end of the 70s but one thing he is doing is um he's you know as we said in the last

episode, he's an intellectual that has zero intelligence. So it's all show. Which is a tough position. It's like being a footballer with no legs. It's hilarious. Pass me the ball. I'll score. It's like it's like the foot, the dropper's got no legs. Right. And then he gets angry at Arion Robbins for not passing it. But what are you doing? I was open. And he's like, you've got no legs. He's like, yeah, yeah, I can head it in. So Gaddafi has the air of an intellectual, even though he makes absolutely no sense, even in Arabic. Well, he's just, he's got a lot of identity. It's like, what I like about Gaddaf is he wants,

he wants to be the best at everything. He's military fatigues. Yes. He's a fashion icon and an intellectual. And someone said that he's also might be the biggest rapist has ever lived. Yes, there's potential. Yeah, there's that as well. I mean, the guy, it's just, it's overwhelming.

Yes. I found researching him overwhelming. There's too much stuff. I just, like spread this across other people's lives. You can't have this all in one person's life. This is all in one podcast series. All of this happens. And, and he's,

And he's dead. And I never got to meet him. Sorry, can I just shake your hand? Can I just shake your hand? You don't know me, but I've been watching you for a long time. Sorry, can I?

Can I just shake your hand? I was in a really dark place and I started watching your videos. They really made me laugh. Um, so, um, Munich, 19972. Now, this is, this is,

this, can I just say, this is fucking hilarious. Can I just say, because so this is Munich is in West which part I'm getting to it trust me so Munich is in West Germany and the Munich Olympics 972

are it's like Germany's rehabilitation yes for because the last time German had the Olympics it was a P-RF it was Hitler's Olympics yeah it was Hitler's Olympics it was the Jesse Owen's Olympics it was all that sort of stuff and the whole thing was essentially just an advert for Nazism

and so the fact that they've given Munich another go is a big thing it's still last chance to Loon though for me yes it is okay hey if any of the black guys win the 100 meters what are you gonna do

yeah you're gonna zip it you're gonna zip it and you're gonna say well done yeah so this is one of the most the wokenest Olympics ever or they're really trying their best no one's getting told off for anything in a way no everyone's getting a medal for trying well done for competing

Is there a Paralympics at this point, Charlie? Do you think that if you were disabled, how easy is it to become a Paralympian? It's a good question. It's a very good question. Because you look at Paralympics, and I guess Olympics, it always feels like the top and it's like, oh, I can never achieve

that level of human physical. If it's just the no hand archery, how many of them are there? I thought you were going to say, yeah, you see Michael Phelps, you think there's no way I can do that. He's superhuman. And then you see Tanny Gray Thompson,

you think, I can do that. Well, if I'm not disabled, that I probably have a good chance. Yeah, I think, well, there are a lot of war veterans in the Paralympics. Yeah, so they're probably, a disabled war veteran would be better than a disabled podcast, sir.

100%. It feels like where this conversation is going is, could 100 disabled war veterans take on a gorilla? Right, right. Is it 100 or 1,000? It's 100. I think they could.

100 disabled war veterans. Depends how they're disabled. Is it full-bodied? Well, it's a range. Well, yeah, yeah, I mean... If they're all Stephen Horvesterians. Hawking's, then that's just, the gorilla's just working his way through methodically, right? No, you'd like to think they could hatch a plan quite quickly and at least sort of trick him.

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or to match with a TD small business banking account manager. On the, just briefly, because I find the gorilla, 100 people versus the gorilla debate really annoying and it's basically a lot of people trying to just do basic podcasting. It's sort of like cards against humanity podcasting where it's like people have nothing else to talk about. Yeah. But briefly on it, yeah, obviously the people would win.

Yeah. 30 people versus guerrilla, that's tight. Yeah. People just have no concept of what 100 people is. Or a gorilla. Yeah. And it's like the size tours I'm doing, I know exactly what 100 people is.

The tours I'm doing, I know exactly what a gorilla is. I'm playing some weird venues. I'm just fliring outside Anyone want to come in I think 100 people would batter a gorilla Yeah I don't know how it's become this like tight thing What do you think Charlie

I think maybe not I think maybe the gorilla would win Because it would be 100 people It would be like Sauron You know that clip of Sauron Yeah It would be like that What do you say clip as if it's like

I mean I mean for all We are now just having a full on debate About whether a hundred men Can't cover the gorilla I think the gorilla would be You'd have to have three people on it at once To actually get it down You still got another 97

people to work with. I don't know. I think you'd probably I think you'd be surprised. Gorillas are unbelievably strong but 100 grown people but what sort of people? Is it like men or like kids?

It'd be men, it's men. 100 kids versus gorilla. Now that's something else because they won't be able to organise but 104 grown men That's a fucking party just the weight get 30 of them and then you're just 30 people

have to run on the grill and then you've just got reserves the grill all tire out there's so many people 100 Yeah There's a lot of people Yeah I don't know What do you think?

A gorilla would not kill 100 people. I think it could. Dang. Because in this problem, do the people are the people armed? No. Yeah, I do think a gorilla could clean through 100 people. Because what? You got one in its back and it's like gouging its eyes out?

Because also out of 100 people, a good 20% of them are going to be like, oh, don't hurt the gorilla. Yeah, but it's just a gorilla. Now we're bringing in different, yeah, I guess if... But that's what I mean is if it's a sample size of the population, you're going to have... You're going to have... Five of them are...

five of them are going to be vegan so they're like I'm not fighting then you know I guess if it's a cross section of 20 them are going to eat meat they're going to be like don't kill that it's a fly what's it ever done right so they're out then some of them are going to be old some of them are going to maybe one of them is going to be

attracted to the gorilla what's he doing do you know what I mean I say one out of every hundred person is like you know at least thought about fucking a gorilla do you know what I mean I think the only way that the men would win is if they if they all fucked it truly laid down their lives if they were like, I'm going to, I'm going to, I don't, I will die here possibly.

30 of them are dying. I'm doing it for the cause. But if you go in half-hearted, I think you get that. I don't think the cause is strong enough. The cause is survival of the human race, I guess. I think the only way is if, is if... Four angles you get the gorilla from. And let's just break it into four loads of 20, 20 in reserve.

20 people at the same time from every angle, you all run at the gorilla. The weight of that many people, the gorilla is getting fucked. Do you know what you've just done? You've just said the men should form. the horns of the bull formation. Yeah, because the numbers. Yeah. Unless he roaks drifts it.

That's what I mean. The gorilla could walk's drift there. Guys, we've got to get back. We haven't even. Sorry, yeah, yeah. In 1972, it's the Munich Olympics, and this is Germany's rehabilitation into the world after they've been very naughty

for a number of years. You promised to behave yourself. Okay, we trust you again, but if there's any funny business at all, you're back out. Yeah. A Palestinian militant group called Black September

break into the Olympic Village and they kill two Israeli Israeli team. They storm in and they go to the Israeli like one of the guys that go hey where are the Israeli athletes and he cleverly goes well oh they're all around there

and he sends them to the Israeli wrestling team because he thinks like the big boys will get these guys doesn't work two of the Israeli athletes die a shot there and then it's kind of mad the whole thing plays out on

on global TV. Well, it's the first, it's the beginning of the 24-hour news cycle, I believe. I guess it is, yeah. Because I watch the, there's a film called September or whatever. It's just come out and it's just about that whole thing and basically about the newsroom. Right. Because it was the first time that people were just tuning in

because it was a live crisis like that. And it changed news forever, basically. The Palestinian terrorists, they get the Israeli hostages and they order a aircraft out of... They order a cabab. They get on delivery and they go, right, what do you want, you want falafel? What are you having? Is there any way that does kosher around here?

No, they order a big plane to take them out. They ask for a, they get a helicopter to an airport. But they want their, what do they want to free the hostages? What are they demanding? Prisoner swap, is it not? Something like that. Yes, it's prisoner swap. And the Israelis say they do not negotiate a terrorist.

That's it. Israelis just go blanket, no, because they've got the firmest defense of anyone. Yeah. they really are yeah they want they want prisoner swap so they want the release of Palestinians and non-Arabs

held captive in Israel as well as a Meinhof who oh is that from the Barden-Mainhof group Ulrika Marie Meinhof was a German left-wing

militant journalist yeah Red Army faction so they want some terrorists released Israel says no the Germans this is what's funny about it

because the Germans are now trying their best because it's a disaster for them absolute disaster they're like this is a the Olympics and somehow Jews

are being murdered in Germany. For fuck's sake. This is exactly what we didn't want to happen. Blood! Yeah. They are, yeah, they're livid. And then there's a rescue operation. So they get to the airfield where... Because they're literally miles away from the old camps as well. There's like, there's a camp quite near.

The Olympic Village is, yeah, a couple of miles from Dachau. Fuck. So just the symbolism of it is hilarious. Yeah. The terrorists, Black September, they get the hostages to the airfield. And what the Germans have done, they've swapped the plane crew for the police. And they have snipers in the air traffic control tower. But the snipers have no scopes.

Yeah. I think they're also, they're not sniper rifles. I think they're just assault rifles. They're assault rifles. Yeah. This is the era of like, are we, should we? Sorry? Well, it's just going to think about the EU now.

It's that sort of style of European diplomacy. We're all best friends. Yeah. And it all works until someone gets a gun out. and then you look very weak. After you, no, after you. We're not allowed guns. We're all best mates.

We went too far. We shouldn't have guns anymore. So then inexplicably, the plane crew just sort of like fuck off. Don't do anything. Then the terrorists realize what's going on and they lob a grenade in the helicopter with all the hostages are.

That blows up. Then there's a bit of a firefight. Firefight and then somehow some misinformation gets around that all of the terrorists have been killed, all the hostages are safe. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. Yeah.

It's like, they're like, are you sure? I'm sure. Yeah. Oh, wait. I'm not sure. All of the hostages are dead. Everyone's dead. Every single one of them is dead.

Ladies and gentlemen, we fucked it. Yeah, it's just botched. They kill all the, yeah. It's that, you know that episode of Changing Rooms? Have you seen this clip? No. There's a clip of changing rooms. They build the shelving units for all this woman's teapot collection.

Right. And then she loves her teapotts. and they show the woman all the smashed teapots I'm really sorry that I've put you under this stress because it's nothing to do with you at all you wanted a corner cabinet

I gave you a nice hanging modern shelf okay so is this the Germans now and I'm really sorry I've put you through this I'm so sorry the two lesbens of the teapots are the Israelis and this is the Germans

and we promise it's going to be fine. We're going to find. We're going to find all the hostages. And then they will fuck it. And they go, right, it's not, it's not your fault. This is all my fault. All those teapots, right, right. It's all, it's my idea. My idea to have the Olympics here. It's all my fault. I'm very sorry. Anyway, that's, that's the Munich operation. But what, so now, it's still not proved whether Gaddafi, like how much he's involved in it, but he was funding pro-Palestinian groups. He was funding Black September, supposedly giving them training camp facilities. Yeah, Libya as well If you're going to train, you just go to Libya and it's like...

It's the gym. Terrorist gym. It's where they go to like work out. Yeah. The fire and rockets in the desert. It's mainly desert Libya. And what he then does, so there are three... Somehow, the three terrorists that survive, they get on a plane and they get back, they come back to Libya.

What, it goes through customs? I never understand this bit of the story. Somehow Gaddafi just like goes, give them back. And again, the Germans are just like... Like, look, we don't want to detain anyone. It's a period, and it happens with the British stuff as well. It's like trying to, and it's, because this international order is now crumbling, it was at a post-World War II world where they're trying to really uphold UN rights,

human rights. And I guess some of the flaws in that is if you get mad cunts who don't give a fuck about them, they can really just take advantage of it. Yes, exactly, which is kind of where we are now. Yeah. It's like European pan-liberalism, all that sort of stuff. Yeah. In the face of a mad cunt.

well yeah it's Syria gassing their own people we go you can't do that and then they're like well can you though it's my right to gas my own people and I guess it kind of is actually they visit your country and you're not allowed to arrest them because of article 74 that says I guess it is your right actually sorry after you yes no you're right

carry on do you want a cup of tea so Gaddafi what he does do is he flies the surviving terrorists out he does a press conference with him where he's like these are my boys yeah these are my boys post match press conference Well, listen, we killed all the Israelis. We lost some good men out there.

He then... We left it all out on the pit. He flies the bodies of the dead terrorists back to Libya. How is he getting these guys? And he gives them a state funeral. But yeah, I don't know how the... I guess this is peak liberal European cuckness, right? Yeah.

How are you letting them get the... Can I have those bodies of the terrorists? I'd rather you didn't. No, I really want them. Okay. Okay, yeah, no, fine. Sorry, we're the bad guys. It's fucking insane.

Yeah. And I suppose this is the start. He wants to be seen as a great leader of the Arab world, right? And the best way to do that is be anti-Israel. Well, he wants to be, he's anti-the-West. He wants to be the anti-the-West figurehead. This is the star of Duffy. Also the thing with Gaddafi, as we said before,

because he has four decades in power, he outstays all of these dictators we talk about. They're all within his story. He lasts so long. The Iranian Revolution, that's still like eight years away. Yeah. So all of this stuff is kind of proto that anyway. So speaking of dictators around the same time,

he goes to China and he visits Mao and he's like, that little red book you've got, I like that. I should have a little book. So in 1975, Gaddafi publishes the Green Book. And he thinks, I'm going to, everyone's going to have a copy. They're going to teach it in schools. I guess he's like Lenin. He sees himself because there's still a bit of socialism revolutionary

language. He sees himself, as we've said, as an intellectual, even though he can't read or right. Look, there's his photo here. That's a picture book because he can't read. Yeah, he's got flaps. I mean, he doesn't look very smart reading that, actually. That's a bad photo. He doesn't look. He's the thickest author that has ever been. So we should get some quotes up because this is his version of the red book. This is Gaddafi, the political theorist who doesn't know what the word political or theory means. Don't type his favorite. We know it's green. Obviously. obviously is that why he's named his book the green book yes no it's because the color of the arab color is it yeah it's a holy color the islamic flag it's green oh yeah right

i don't know if it's at this point but he changes the libyan flag to just a block green but that's later that's later so this is him on women so he covers a lot of stuff it's bailey rambling yeah yeah women are females and men are males according to the gyna gynaecologists oh come on gynaecologists gynaecologists uh women menstruate every month this means that she suffers from bleeding and monthly sickness, right? I don't know if we needed a Gaddafi to tell us that. Gaddafi's hot take on women. On democracy, representation is a false solution to the problem of democracy.

Parliament is a misrepresentation of the people, and parliamentary systems are a sham. On sport, sport is the activity of the masses. It should not be the activity of the few trained individuals. Sport is like prayer, and it should be practiced by all. So sports for all? Okay, that's interesting. Who's saying sports for the few? Who's saying that?

Do you want to take the one on love? Love is a natural phenomenon. All people fall in love, fall out of love, love passionately, love coldly, or do not love at all? Some people are in love and some people aren't in love. Are you saying anything at all there? On music. Music is a natural phenomenon like eating and drinking. Bird sing, soda humans.

Poetry. On housework. The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, and therefore it should not be owned by others. So everyone needs a house. Right. You know, this guy's a political genius. on children, children are an inseparable part of the mother

and they should be raised by the mother. Boarding schools are artificial nests. Okay, so he's anti-boarding schools. Yeah, clothes. What does Gaddafi think about clothes? Clothes are the first line of defense against climate. They are also a disguise or ornament and are an expression of social status.

This is what's so funny. But it's sort of like AI overview, is it not? No, it's... The way he's writing this. He has literally just learned what these things are. And he's writing a book As if he's like Sartre My thoughts on clothing

The clothes are what the man wears When he goes outside To stop the rain from making his skin wet When it is colder Wear more clothes Is he writing this down Is he got someone who's dictated? I don't think he can write or read

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Yeah. Yeah. But that's also, you're starting to get a sense that he's aware how fucking nuts he is. Basically, it's a freedom thing, basically being able to act as mad as you want. Yeah. And this leads into what he does in 1977, which is where, you know, there are people starting to get a bit tired of the revolution. Bear in mind.

The oil money is no longer being used for infrastructure projects. It's now starting to be fun terrorism. terrorism but also bear in mind when he comes into power in the army fatigues everyone is waiting for him to get out the way and for a prime minister to come in and he just and it solely becomes apparent that he's just staying and he's the old he's the boss man yes yeah um so people are getting a bit tired he had formed a thing called a revolutionary council uh then in 1977 he disbands the libyan arab republic that he had founded and he invents a word called the Jamahiria

and Which they say there's not really a direct translation But for off It's basically Libby does not exist I am now the president of

Let's go And it's not even racist That's what he's saying In his own language It goes Tunisia It's not saying It all bloody sounds like that He literally is saying

Well if it sounds like that Then that's what we'll call it Well uga boogaland Yeah fuck it I'm the president. You've got Tunisia, you've got Algeria, then you've got Algeria, and you've got Egypt. That's the North African coast.

Literally, this is when he makes the flag just a block of green. This is where he invents something called Third International Theory. Awesome. Now, I have been, for the last two days, on the Wikipedia page for this theory, and I see myself as someone

who can understand political ideology, and I haven't got a fucking clue what his on a bit. It is insane. Now, I'm just going to read this. this, okay? Third international theory, also known as the third universal theory, or Gaddafiism. Gaddafiism. Are you Gaddafiist?

I'm not Gadhafiist. I'm a fan of the man, not his ideas. I'm a fan. I follow... I'm more of a proto-Gadhafiist, I'm living in a post-Gaddafi world. So this is basically, I want you to, listeners, viewers, I want you to bear in mind, this is a man who is yearning to be taken seriously, and yet he has no idea what anything means. So Gaddafiism, which is the principal theory of his government, the great socialist people's Libyan Arab Jamahiria. Because that's why he changed the official name of Libya, too, by the way, to the great socialist people's Libyans, Arab Jambalaya, right?

Now, this combines elements of, you ready? Arab nationalism, Islamism, Nazarism, anti-imperialism, Islamic socialism, left-wing populism African nationalism pan-arabism direct democracy Islamic fundamentalism he has picked

every ism he can find put it into one green book and said that's what we are now it's a nutri-bullet political ideology just put it all into one easy to drink green

it's like a green it's a green smoothie but it's not it's not because that that at least makes sense it's like there's a mango there's some spinach there's some kale

this is a trifle and a beef Wellington in a smoothie It makes no sense whatsoever. It's, you're drinking a, you're drinking a tasting menu in a smoothie. It makes no sense. Right, bear in mind, he, he's fun, he's got a theology that blends pan-Arabism with pan-Africanism, direct democracy with Islamic fundamentalism, socialism with, like, imperil, like, the whole thing is fucking insane. Yeah.

He dissolves every institution of government. Right. He then says, I am no longer a president because there's no country, because it's so you will call me the brother leader. I'm just big brother. Yeah. Brother. I'm your brother.

My friend. He basically calls himself my friend. He becomes my friend of jabal-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ha. And he then says that democracy is a sham. He says MPs aren't the people, so it's not actually democracy. And when you say, well, no, it's representative democracy. He goes, yeah, but that's a man. not the people is it and you're like okay if you're being

literal about it then no it's not but the whole point is is that no one wants people want to live their lives yeah get involved not be an MP he's like well no everyone should be an MP so then he says that there's no country there's no laws and he says we're moving to a point where there'll be no money and he says that everyone

He listened to imagine by John Lennon yeah and he goes this great music great music by the way music is a thing you hear with your ears that very much sometimes people use it socially to get come together sometimes people People dance to music. Sometimes you are in Lyft, and music is playing.

I have no idea why. Yeah. I like very much. So he says that everyone needs to basically be an MP. He forces everyone into these people's congresses. Right. And they'll then decide what to do about issues. And he's just there to like usher people's ideas towards the leading the country.

Yes. Also, so the reason why it's called the third, was it the third? one? International theory. Because, is because this is high at the Cold War so it's communism

versus capitalism and he's trying to pitch the third, the middle part. Third one. But there is such thing as the third way which is the kind of

Clintonism, right? Well, it's Blair. Yeah, which is trying to blend that. But this is not that. This is just like, you can either be communist or capitalism

or just fucking, blah, blah. You could be, you turn that, you know, you could be everything else at once.

You can put a trifle and a beef, Wellington and some cheese straws and some milk in a blender and you can just drink it in one go what happens to you poo I don't know who cares who gives the fuck it doesn't exist anymore so potentially what this means though is that the reality uh only 10% of the population actually go to these like people's assemblies direct things because no one fucking cares because basically you're forcing everyone to become a local councillor yeah can you imagine be a nightmare imagine i mean my father nor was a local counselor is he

Yeah, and even he's like, this is fucking boring. Of course, what are you doing? Yeah, this is the guy that does the bird watching Shazam app. He's going to local council meetings and I'm like, fucking hell, I can't be doing it. Has he got past any legislation that you know of? Yeah, he's been trying to get a bandstand in Dawking for the last five years. Victorian bandstand and he can't do it. He's been consistently filibusted by the council, other council members.

You know, he's seen as a sort of like an airy fairy. for one of the bandstand for caring about beauty Jackie Weaver Yeah Imagine if everyone was Jackie Weaver Yeah That's what Gaddafi wants

You have no authority here Here, come and dant So, anyway The Jamahiria The Blah Blah Blah Bebba Means Libya is now Essentially a cult of personality And there's a secret police

That starts a surveillance network On whether people are doing Their actual duties or not So it's all completely It's completely bonnets. You've got to have a secret police who drive people out their house and torch that well.

But at least in like East Germany, the Stasi, the people know what they should and shouldn't be doing. Right. In Libya, they've got no fucking idea. Blu bl blub. Yeah.

It says, you didn't follow the rules. Are you anti-blum? Yeah. Please, my friend, you're in jail. It's terrifying because it's got no fucking, makes no sense at all.

His pan-African really kicks off. He starts funding Edia mean. Right. Good guys. God. We'll get to Idi Amin at some point. Yeah, that's a great. That's a great.

What a bloke. The African strong man. So he funds, again, because he's so rich. There's so much oil. Libya is one of the top five oil-producing countries, I think. And at this point, this is post-OPEC crisis. Yes. So they've jacked the prices up there and got a lot of money.

There was something about OPEC and Gaddafi. What did that? I think maybe he founded. So OPEC, do you want to explain what OPEC is quickly? The oil-producing Eastern countries, so it's the Middle East countries. It's a trading. Blot or it's just like for shared interests of these Arab countries

and basically because of course Libya has a lot of oil they're part of OPEC but yeah like any meeting that Gaddafi's in he's just putting his hand up and pitching fucking crazy ideas Gaddafi's views on oil pricing and production were often at odds with the overall consensus obviously Godaffi does not

care about consensus yeah consensus is just another word he doesn't know what it means so he's pitching a lot of ideas at OPEC basically getting them shut down consensus is a noun that is when a Many people agree on the same thing. I have learned this recently. That is my opinion on consensus.

Gaddafi is reading the dictionary like it's all opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Gadda, he'd also, in meetings in the 70s, he would just blow smoke into people's faces. Yes. And also just come and put his gun on the table. He's got a golden gun. Yeah, when negotiating for meetings and stuff.

Please, my friend. Yeah. Right. End of the 70s, it should be said for balance that by 1979, living standards in Libya have gone from the average wage goes from $40 a day to $8,000 a day

which is more than the Great Britain because obviously the end of the 70s in the UK is awful because this is just before Thatcher comes in and mummy sorts us all out Yeah The women are like more educating than they've ever been

Yeah because I heard this as well And it's also like literacy went from like 10% to 80% Yeah But this is often the case Isaffee's still in that 20% people often bring these up with these sort of dictators is this not an inevitable part of modernising whoever's in charge

if no one reads are you really revolutionising it when it's just like do you know what it is it's like when you start a podcast and you immediately go to the top of the charts it's because you're going from naught to 100% because you can yeah you can say Gaddafi did a good job because the numbers aren't actually that good but when there's it when you're the first person to even have any ideas

about modernity, then it is kind of easy to grow. Maybe you're right. So the Iranian Revolution kicks off 779, 80. The hostage crisis sees off Jimmy Carter. Yeah, because he, yeah, once again, the problem with some soft liberalism is it doesn't really work when you meet a fucking mad cunt. A mad cunt that's got a golden gun.

And you're trying to sell him, hey, do you have peanuts? I got some peanuts. So Reagan comes in in 81. And at this point, this is where Gaddafi are starting to become an sort of international pariah.

Reagan comes in promising strength back to American's strong man. You know, Stallone and Schwarzenegger are stars of American action films now. America's masculinity is back on the menu. None of this Scorsese taxi driver

insular, insul like moping without Tom Cruise. Yeah, it's fucking Rambo. Yeah. So, 19881, there are some in the Gulf of Sidra, get a map up charge,

which is... A map of Sidre, not just any maps. Don't know, not just get a map up of London in the 1880s. I like maps. What a road would you like? The Gulf of Sidra is sort of... It's the coasts of...

Yeah, but it's international waters. Right. Because Libya's are sort of... The coastline's a big dig. Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. And so there are... Reagan's just putting some ships there just because the Iranian revolution's kicked off.

Just letting you know who's boss. Saddam is either in power or about to, it's all looking a bit fruity there, there's been some more Arab-Israeli stuff, so Reagan's just putting some ships there for exercises. Gaddafi says, those are my waters, and they're categorically

not. He's got like, there's a imaginary line that he says, if you cross this, well, fuck you up. There's a map saying these are international waters. Gaddafi doesn't know what a map is. He goes, well, fuck that. You cross this line. That is my line of death. Yeah. And so I will launch an attack on you.

and so the US A map of Middle Earth Oh, right So who cares Do not cross this line So Libyan fighter jets Shoot at the Navy jets Because they just give it a go

Because they're near the line of death An arbitrary line that Gaddafi's drawn In the middle of the sea And the US Navy shoots them down They're feisty as hell The Libyans Yeah Gaddafi doesn't give a fuck

Arab countries just do this They always just punch No matter how big They never think about the cause It's just always just like You know, fuck you. Reagan does a speech where he brands Gaddafi, the mad dog of the Middle East.

Right. Now, obviously, it's not the Middle East. It's North Africa. That's quite funny. This mad dog, China. It's mad Chinese dog. And this sort of starts a pretty fruity era of American-Libian relations. This is what's interesting is that Libya over the next decade,

which will maybe deal with more in the next episode. Yeah. Libya basically becomes the country that George Bush and Blair say Iraq is after 9-11. Yeah. They say that Iraq is aiding and abetting terrorism, funding terrorism, training terrorism, reprimand mass destruction. That country is Libya. Like, Libya is doing that throughout the entire 70s and 80s.

It has that representation during the 70s and 80s. Yeah, it does. Yeah. And it's something also that they project a lot of those fears onto Libya as well. So we're going to leave that episode here. Reagan and Gaddafi have kicked off. There's been a little bit of fighting business on the Gulf of Sidra. In our next episode, we will be joined by Daniel Sloss, a Scottish Gaddafi scholar,

who will take us through a decade of pretty mad shit. There's terrorism, there's bombs, there's the Scottish 9-11, which is Lockerbie. And then there's 9-11 itself. so excitingly in this series we will get to 9-11 we'll touch on it we definitely won't say too many things on 9-11 because you've got to keep the powder dry

keep the jizzes my cock for the 20 episode series on the first tower and then the follow-up spin off on the second so all those episodes of our Gaddafi series are on the Patreon now you can join the Patreon become a truther for £3 a month

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