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Episode Date: October 8, 2026

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Welcome back to Finn versus History. joining myself in Eretio Gould is Jan Marcos Seresi. Hello. One honour. One honour to talk Prohibition. You're from America.

I am. And you're not only, you're part Italian, but you're a musical theatre, Efficient. So we've just had to move the camera back several feet. Well, Prohibition, I kept going like, you must know Chicago the musical, because that was set during the flappers and all that stuff. Yes, I've seen a trailer for it. Absolutely not.

I've heard my wife talk about it, but I fell asleep. But I mean, Prohibition, It was locking America back up with Puritan stuff, but then when it ended, I guess this allowed Italian musical theater people to be... Yeah. You got liberated, right? Yeah. Seeing this stuff makes me feel really Italian, because I didn't deal with any Italian discrimination,

but then you see this and you go, oh, it was there. You come to the right place. Yeah, yeah. You'll find some here. Don't worry. Good, good. Italian mother or father? Italian father.

Lucky daddy. Lucky daddy. He's getting kisses on the libyes. Luigi Sarasi came from Italy. Yeah. He was... What about in Italy? Sicily.

Oh, dear. Okay. So what they would call... They would call Africa. They would call Africa. He was a manager for a boxer. Yeah. Oh, damn.

And the only pictures I have of him are at like some paper plate dinner with Mussolini. There's a number of shots of him, the boxer, Mussolini. With Benito, Al Ducet. Wow. Yeah. And what would, what would you think Benito would think of Chicago, the musical? Yes. Or how you'd appreciate the breaking of the rules.

and he'd love it. He might change chorus. Mussolini the musical. I'm there. I'm there. We're working on it. Don't say anything. Benito.

Fuck Hamilton. Where's Il-Ducci? So now, in our last episode, Jan Marco, we dealt with the fact that the Volster Act had just come in. Yes. And that women had been smashing up pubs. Yeah. Because they've been smashed up, so they took it out on the pub.

Yes. Well, allegedly. Yeah. But yeah, women were smashing up pubs. And I suppose what we'd like, it would be good to talk to you about is the fact that, you know, America, it seems, is this kind of struggle between different European cultures. I have this theory that basically America's problems are because you have essentially 17th century English Puritans still to this day struggling against 19th century cosmopolitan, Italians and Viennese people, such as yourself. Yes. You know. Just dirty New Yorkers. Yeah, you've got noble, you know, southern plantation. you know, yeah,

dealing with these sort of godless deviant. Exactly. The citizens of nowhere, these, you know, these straight men who claim to be straight. But I've seen you topless.

You have a rig that is not becoming of a straight man. What's going on there? Topless, like that's a big deal. It's a huge, keep the button down. Yes.

Deeply conservative podcast, yeah, yeah, look at this, look at this, absolutely. This is a man with a girlfriend. No,

those are some shots after Prohibition was the 20th Amendment. Now, is that, you've got a great body, fair play, but are you using it for anything? Are you, is it? No, not at all. There's times I'm at the gym, I go, but for what purpose I can't build. I'm not fighting.

It's just for that picture. This is why Prohibition was invented because to stop that. Yes. Exactly. We understand it now. Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all.

I was on all sorts of ketamine and alcohol. Yeah. All sorts of things. Yeah. So what we're interested in more is that the fact that kind of, Prohibition was a struggle between purists and Protestants. It had an anti-immigrant kind of story to it as well. In the obviously Italians and Jews and Greeks and Germans

have brought all their alcohol from Europe to America. Very loud. Kissing their mothers in the mouth. And fathers. Well, your Italian father kissing your father in mouth. Yeah. But mother is, where's your mother from? Mother, it's Jewish.

Italian Jewish. Italian Jewish. Double whammy. Yeah, you would. Jewish mother's the boss level of mothers, right? It is. But she kind of. had turned away from it. Right. You know, her parents told her, do you want a butt mitz for a sweet

16? She did that sweet 16. So she turned away. They got divorced. Right. So she a little overbearing, but not the full, the full gamut. Not the full thing. She always, she always said, I don't like Jewish guys. And I go, yeah, I know. So hang on. So you, you've had Italian grandmother, though, presumably, and a Jewish mother. I honestly, I don't think my dad gives a shit about the maternal lineage at all. Is he obsessed with sauce? Is he one of those guys? Yeah, he always claimed to have a Sarasi sauce. And looking back, it was just prepared at the grocery store sauce. He added some sugar and butter. But I think my great grandma might be from Spain, but my dad doesn't talk about it. He raised me like I was 100%

Italian. And I was Jewish. Right. But he acted like it was like an immaculate person. We found some family photos here, actually. Yeah, what do we got here? There we go. That's the Zerese family tree there. That's you in the background top right. That's Jamarco. We do. Do you guys get to me at that in America? Which one? Do you get these guys? This is a pasta sauce brand in the UK. No, we do ragu. Right, okay, right.

So, prohibition is in force, but pretty quickly, people just start drinking underground. And it basically becomes the birth of the modern nightlife. Yeah, definitely. Because suddenly... Saloons kind of end as a... The male pub stops and now... Which is why you guys probably don't have a pub culture anymore.

True. Because you kind of have bars... That's true. distinctly different, but you used to have saloons were everywhere, which is basically a pub, but a frontier pub. And that all went with prohibition. Do you let women in yours now? Yes, reluctantly, I don't think there was only a couple of years ago.

And I think Farage is trying to repeal that. I believe it was Starma who let women into pub. You know, you can see that, you know, they got rid of the dartboard. They put women's toilets in it. Yeah, it's, uh, that's tough. Yeah, no, we're living under a kind of anomaly, a blip currently. Yes.

The women with the darts is probably damn. I know. Hand-eye coordination is a risk. No, listen, it's been a fire sale of values. Any values. Yeah. The West has fallen. The West has fallen. Starmistan.

We're now in Burr now in Indonesia. But of course, this is, I mean, this is Americanistan, isn't it? This is a dry America. This is Sharia America. Where Americans were I mean, explain to me how a country that is as

libertarian as America. Freedom. and freedom loving intervenes this heavily in people's lives for 10 years. Does it make sense to you but that's the beauty of this it didn't work immediately.

It really is America's just too fucking big. It's just too big. So we had all these people who are not getting invited to the cool things saying no more cool things and then the people in New York were like we're no we're going to keep doing it and now we're going to have women in there too. Yeah. Well that's what's hilarious

is that women start entering pubs right and this rule breaking is so mad that it spawns jazz. That suddenly women are in pub. It's like the last day of road. What's going on? There are no rules anymore.

Women are in bars. Well, it's the music doesn't have to follow any rules. Well, if women are allowed to be next to me drinking, then it gives a fuck about fucking normal music. Yeah, exactly. Because they're just hearing all these noises in the bar. They're like, what is this? I mean, there's literally, who's the, who invented scatting?

Louis Armstrong. He invented scatting? Well, apparently there's a story that during one of the records, was so expensive, one of the sheet music fell. And while he's picking it up, he's just like, bala-babab-b-l-b-l-b-l-boop, like he's just doing trumpet noises just to cover it over.

Because at this point, it is like, that's what the nightlife is. It's just making it up. The trumpet's been taken away. That's like, way too clean of a story. Some guy's like, boop-d-de-boo. Oh my god, what was that? Hold on.

It's a skat, scat. Yeah. My dad's a scat. He's a scout singer. He can't he? Yeah. He's a man of any talents, your father. He's an incredibly talented man.

Yeah. He performed me, he's tours? He used to be in a band. He would be the scat guy. No, I wouldn't say he's the scat guy. Sorry? Would he have a discipline with you scatting. Eap.

A stern scatting off. I have many stern scattings from my father. Very disciplinarian scat man. Because it's funny that, you know, Finn throws so much conservatism at you, but he actually, this is repressed because he grew up in a theatre at home. His dad is a camp drama teacher. Yeah. Oh my God, your dad's a camp promontagery? His dad is huge.

In many ways. Yeah. Do you actively listen to women in their 60s? I sometimes am forced to if they're in the cast of the show. Dad rebels in it. Yeah. Absolutely rebels in it. In their 60s. It's like the dog whisper. It's like the women whisperer. You're such a theater kid, though. I see the thing. You're learning German for your little live stage show. It's full of shit. I already knew German. He wanted to read it in the original. Yes, to get the really understand what he meant.

I think lots of things have been lost in translation and the man's name is mud and I'd like to see what actually what was he saying? Turns out, no, it's doing your own research. Turns out the translation was pretty much correct. He meant it. But as we found out in the last episode, he had lost a brother age six.

Did you know that Edmund Hitler? We're finding things about Adolf every episode. Adolf lost his brother Edmund when Adolf was I mean, but nine or something like that. Someone killed the wrong baby Hitler. Look this. Someone went back into it. time and killed Edmund.

He really fucked up. Look at that. He's like, I don't worry guys. I killed Hitler. Still. It's the wrong. He killed the wrong one. Oh, geez.

How'd he die? It's like Larry David. It's a time traveling Jewish assassin. Gone back and oh my God. I killed Iraq. Hitler. Kirby enthusiasm in 2134. Now, that's what the show should have been.

Larry David's fucking show. Yeah. Instead it was Obama. Kind of, hey, how you're doing? Oh, this new sketch. Oh, yeah. It just keeps killing all the different baby Hitler's constantly. Kills 6 million baby Hitler.

Yeah. Where is this guy? And then you realize he's Hitler and he's done the Holocaust. I mean, that's a film. That's a film. Come on. Charlie, write that down. Okay, a time-traveling Jewish assassin goes back in time,

kills Edmund Hitler, then he kills 6 million Jews, and it turns out he's Hitler. Wait, where the Jews go is just 6 million baby Hitler's. No, he doesn't know who Hitler is. So he goes, he's trying to find Hitler. He accidentally kill 6 million Jews babies. And then he looks in the mirror and he realized, oh fuck.

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That's genuinely great. No, that's genuinely a film I'd watch. I'd make it. Yeah, as you say, immediately it doesn't work. So, Prohibition basically turns a bunch of law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight. Yeah. Much like Starmond did with pornography. Yes.

What do you do with pornography? The porn ban? with the ID. We're kind of living under a porn man. Yeah, but you guys are using VPNs. You do a VPN. Surf shock.

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we have a kickstart for the Iron Dome in the link below. Repair it. You guys are now putting your license on those points out. Are you? No. Charlie's got a,

what's your email address? Lemonon 6 at gmail.com. Yeah. And then he revealed it on a patron email. Yeah. And then a lot of patrons started emailing I'm saying stop watching. You're a dirty pig.

Which I think is a violation of trust actually with the audience. I don't think that's fair. Yeah. So rather than changing public... That's the point about prohibition is that it doesn't change public attitudes. It just bans it. So it's not actually a constructive ban. Yeah, it's a loud minority, right, who are pushing for it.

Yes. It's a boring minority. I feel like it's more than a minority, though. Like, I think a lot of them... A lot of them were like, we need to change this. Something needs to change. Something needs to change. And it's like, well,

well, how do you do that in a way that's not extreme? It's kind of like what they're doing with social media now. It's like, you know, they're trying to like limit all these social things. It's not going to work fully, but does it change the culture enough that maybe people do it a little less? It's worked with child porn. I'll say that prohibition. It's worked. We're working on overturning that amendment. No, I'm just saying that you can't, you can't find anywhere.

You got to use the VPN. I keep telling you. Self-Shark, IDF, shout out. They're not sponsored. The two pillars of Finn rush history Without one, the other one will fall Watch this, Charlie, this is an email Enjoy the wank Charlie Wow, Tom

Look at all subject, no text Yeah, that's a bit humiliating Yeah, I mean, yeah Love the fact that this is your wank handle More power to your right elbow, keep gooning, bro Keep gooning, bro! But I mean, I guess, so prohibition though I mean, we'll probably get onto the effects

at the end, but it didn't work But it did fundamentally change America's relationship to alcohol Well, yeah, so everyone had alcohol They already had it in storage. All the rich, all the famous politicians were doing it anyway.

Yeah, I know that's the president was getting pissed. Yeah. So then the whole thing's out of the window. Yeah, it's pretty easy to make. I mean, like Kirstorm

is probably fucking jerking it hard. Yeah, exactly. He's gooning. He's just a goon game. Ten gooning street. Do you know what gooning is? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, sorry. Okay. But am I an expert. I'm an American. Oh, yeah. It's just, it's just for a lot. It's just doing it a lot.

It's just multiple screens. Let's get a NAS control. It's about multiple screens? Screens or tabs? Screens. Okay, as long as it's screen. Sorry. We're going to defer to the expert.

How do you enter a kind of trance? It's almost like drugs. Apparently. You really lose yourself all night. The women are frowning. Put that on the screen then. If you're going to frown like that. Fibbe, can you stop gooning while you're working, please?

If we have history things on all three screens, are we history goooning? Yeah, yeah, definitely. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, like, it's a control center. Yeah. It's a control.

Yeah. Imagine a security guards office, but it's in a brothel. Yeah. That's gooning. Yeah. But you're jerking off the whole time. But you never come. But you never come.

It's not a multiple session thing. It's a permanent edge. But so you enter a kind of drug flow stage. And at the end, though. I don't even know if you come to the end. Who's this guy? You don't at the end? I don't think the guy who's tied up.

I think the whole point is done. Who's this guy? Wait, no, I don't, I think you come at the end. If you don't come at the end, that's sick. The perfect goon set. That's Bill Gates, I think. That looks like the chair that having service stations that you can sit on. And that does look like Bill Gates.

Anyway. We do a prohibition of gooning. I think that culture needs to change. So President Warren Harding publicly endorses Prohibition while privately entertaining friends with hidden liquor supplies in the White House. You have a guy called George Cassidy who is providing alcohol to the Senate during Prohibition.

Apparently 80% of lawmakers were being supplied contraband liquor for 10 years. But what's more interesting is that basically the unintended consequence of banning alcohol is to create this huge, underground economy and a nightlife basically it turns because the saloon you'd go to to hang out with your bros after you finish work and now people go out to drink it turned nightlife gay it was a nightlife was straight yeah which was straight men would go to a place where only straight

men would could be yeah you'd drink beers in a saloon then you'd hit your wife that's as straight as a night yeah yeah yeah and now the wife comes to the borrower with you now she comes to you got people playing jazz you're drinking cocktails you know the salute it's a speak easy squeedly scoodle scood up yeah yeah so the unintended consequences they'd literally turn the game and they went to Harlem I was seeing in New York like going to Harlem

so there was there was more like people of different races like hanging out and getting drunk and the Harlem show's interesting enough at the beginning of the Harlem show certainly it was black performers but still only white audiences yeah but it was kind of the first time that there was a cultural mesh like that so it was the beginning of that

I guess I was reading that some of it was like you'd get the, you'd have the black people, they would have black people like have the alcohol and then if they got busted, it'd be like, well, it was them. Like, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't racial harmony right away. But it started, it started the beautiful place that we are at now. It's segregated, it's clubs. No, it's the 20s in America. Yeah, yeah. Pre, it's just pre-abama. Yeah. Obama obviously ended racism. Yes. That's a settled issue. Yeah. So it also, the right, you get the rise of organized crime. Yeah. Because suddenly, it was very disorganized before. It was very disorganized. So they got a merry condo

came in. It was random individual men hitting their wives, which wasn't a crime at the time actually. Yeah, let's corporatize this. Organised domestic abuse. So you get kind of, now, we did this a bit in the mafia series, but basically the mafia had kind of been on its knees and then prohibition comes in. Suddenly everyone is now, like, brilliant.

We can just, we can have out booze. What was it doing before? What was mafia involved in? Well, it was originated in Sicily. Yeah. It's probably why your grandfather was I'm sure. Although, no, actually, because Mussolini had smashed the mafia. Well, that's why Luigi left and went to America. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. But it was lucky Luciano who changed that all, because he was like a... Well, they were saying... He made it a business, basically. He was a great businessman, great organizer, really completely revolutionized. They basically passed it. It was a conservative government at the time.

So even though they passed these rules, none of the government wanted to raise the money for police. So the police were being expected to enforce all prohibition, but no one was paying them any extra money. And that's why they became corrupt so fast. Yeah. So they had these policemen going back to the, you know, with, like, like fur coats or whatever. And they're like, you can't afford that on the salary we're giving you.

Yeah. Right. And that's just, it was both those things. It was like wanting them to enforce it, not paying that led to this intense corruption. That was an unbelievable click, may I say. Now, that is a theater train click. Fuck me. It's one of the loudest things.

You're a jet. You're a jet on the way. That's so loud. That was the loudest click I've ever heard in my life. That's extraordinary. That's a theater click. That's the sound of my prostate snapping during the end of the polio series. I can't scat, but I can click.

And we know who snaps, by the way. Sorry, that's a snap. I know you call them clicks. Snaps. That was a real snap. Oh, here we go. Is this Mussolini with any, where's Luigi? Is this?

Luigi had a mustache. Is that? Oh, no way. I told you. I told you. Okay, so Luigi is. He's not the massive guy at the back, is he? I think, yeah, that's Luigi.

That's Luigi. Sorry, why is Andre the Giant? That's the boxer that he, that's the boxer. No way. That's the best. It's amazing. His name was Primo, Primo something. Awesome.

Right. Can you put a Domio text under that. Yeah. The new past is all. Domino-Bolone's sauce. Don't meo Bologna's sauce. Man. I got to do the mustache.

That's amazing. So he's your grandfather. You know, your great-grandfather. He's my great-grandfather, yeah? Wow. Can how much past was that guy eating Christ? Jamarco, can I just, can I just shake your hand? This is, thank you very much.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, we've got to get, um, no, it's rubbish. Crazy. That's insane. The da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Um, so we get into, uh, the kind of, uh, the actual illegal operations. Rum running, bootlegging, moonshining. Yeah. It all sounds like, you went over a bootleg,

why it's called that? Sorry? Bootleg, why it's called that? Why? Because they would, they had the, in their pant leg, that's where they would keep the alcohol. It all sounds like homophobic slurs to me. It does. Yeah. Buddy bootleggers and run runners. Uh, musical theater. It's musical theater slang. Right. Yeah. Got Joe Mark on the pod. He's a buddy moonshiner. You know him. Uh, yeah, they also wear like cow shoes. Right. So they'd wear like big hooves in their shoes, which I think kind of gives it away. Yeah.

But they're not pretending to be a cow like a fake theater. They're not pantomime cow. Yeah. You'd look at the footprints and be like the cow is doing a pot of jazz. Like the cows don't move like this. A bootlegger could be anyone involved in the production. Rum runners were people smuggling alcohol from abroad. So basically, I think most of the whiskey came from Canada.

And some from Europe? Or was it all Canada? No, sort of whiskey was coming Canada. And there's Caribbean? Whisk and from Canada and rum coming from the Caribbean and then yeah a lot of wines you'd have the cruises right

you'd have the cruise to nowhere they'd go three miles out international waters like you're torturing a terrorist suck each other off yeah if you want you're gonna touch water you don't want to see fit in international waters

that's why he stays here that's why he said he doesn't want to come to America I know I know you're talking a lot of shit about America for this part because on on the in transit he air host it there's no rules in transit you can do what you want in a plane

yeah you know, the pilot is getting knocked off. The pilot's got a dick on my mouth. He's terrified at that. He has to stay. Absolutely terrified. He has to stay within London

or the home counties, basically. So, now let's get into how basically prohibition explodes the speakeasy. Now, John, you live in New York,

you're from New York? From New York. We have lots of fake speakeasies now. They're annoying as far. Yeah, we have them over here, right? Yeah, yeah. Drink out of jam jars.

The most fucking insufferable people. goes. Like it's sort of one of the things I detest most in the world is... It's quite a lot. It's a long list. It is.

And I apologise if this is something you hold dear, but it's interactive theatre experiences. I can't stand them. If I was going to shoot anything up, that would be probably in my top two things. So if you decided you're going to kill yourself, you'd take one of those down.

I take an interactive theatre experience. Is it an anger because you feel like you should be in the cast, not the audience interaction? shouldn't exist. You're all annoying. You're all too shit acting to even work at the London Dungeons. I mean, you're saying this with an AR-15. Yeah. Like what? What did you go to? What was the thing you did? Like a production, but you had to walk through a house. You're standing up for fucking two hours. And the acting shit. And then they're giving you shit booze in like jam-dust. You have to dress up to go.

You have to dress up to go. I did an interactive Phantom of the Opera. And at one point you're performing or, you know, I was in it. No, no, I went. I would not do interactive theater. My God, I'm doing better than that. But at one point, there's an escalator and the phantom had to walk by me. And for the Phantom of the opera mid-show to be like, excuse me, that kind of ruins the illusion. Yeah. Of the evil phantom willing to kill. But I never, I go in there with no illusion. I go in there with going, this is fucking shit. Yeah. Yeah, you got to suspend the disbelief. That's the illusion I have. It's not going, this would be great if I just can just mow you. you all down.

Oh, 500 killed it, interactive Phantom of the opera. No investigation proceeding. Yeah. Yeah. God. No.

So what was your ideal one to shoot up? Is it, would it be a horror? You know why? Here's why the interactive doesn't work. It's because it's like, it's soft.

Like if the alcohol, it's like it's weak. If there's any interaction, they like kind of pet your shoulder. If they really did it, if you walked in and like they really, the flapper. Yeah.

For Finn to like it, it needs to be about your interest, right? Interactive, I don't know, Battle of the Bottle. Something would be Interactive Battle of Waterloo. The Paulew. If the hatchet in a foxhole drinking fucking petrol. Oh, my God. If that hatchet lady came in and shattered your glasses. Yeah.

That would be fun. There's blood. Someone gets arrested. I tell you what, an interactive... You could hit them. An interactive school shooting, where you've got to take cover. That would be incredible. That would be awesome.

That would be awesome. Because we don't have the same jeopardy. We call them school shooter drills. Sorry, it's called Sandy Hook, if we're being honest. Come on, boys. Come on, boys. And people say there's no roles for actors anymore. What are you talking about?

Guys, that's a huge operation. What a production that was? This is probably doing comedy shows overseas. Like, there's this a looseness. Anyway, but yes, uh, speak-eases are now, I'd say, uh, cancer in dating life. They are for people with no ideas. What shall I do tonight? Oh, let's go to a thing where it's timeout best things to do. Yes, exactly. Well, we're having some cocktails in a tree. Brilliant. Why can't we just go to a pub and talk? Because you're boring. That's what

interactive theatre exists for. It doesn't do the full thing. Again, I think if you went to speak easies and occasionally the cops could come in and arrest you, right? Then I go, oh, cool, we're kind of back in time. Yeah. Yes. It's not going far enough. Or what you do is you make it illegal to do interactive theatre. So they have to go underground like it. And then you could be the police. Or have a this. Speakeasies, but you got to use possibly the government poisoned alcohol.

Right. So there is a chance you die at the speakeasy. Talk about this. Because we need to talk about this. So at some point, they realize the government that everyone is still drinking. They're still drinking. And they can take like industrial alcohol and put it under some treatment and then you have more new alcohol. So they are people are making gin in their baths.

bathtub gin, because it's not illegal to make it and sell it. You can make it in your house? You can't sell it. You can't sell it. But you can make it. You can make it if it's not for industrial purposes or you can't even make it. But no one's stopping you. No one's checking your bathtub. Exactly. Exactly. So they're making bathtub gin. It's called moonshining because people would make it under the cover of the moonlight in night. So what bootleggers would do is they would start, yes, they'd steal industrial alcohol, which was still allowed to be produced for pharmaceutical purposes and maybe for cleaning products. Mouthwash and stuff.

And then they would denature it, which means I guess take some of the shit out of it. No, take some of the good stuff out of it. Basically make it poison. And then they would allow people to sell it. Chemicals too. Right. So the government is like,

okay, so if we're going to do this, we're going to add a little poison, scare people from doing it. And they ended up just killing, I think, 10,000 people. Yeah. Right. But then for 10,000 people die because they're drinking alcohol

that have been poisoned by the government. But that, I think, is the speakeasy experience that we need to recreate. 100%. Every once in a while, there's a tragedy at the modern-day speakeasy. This is the problem because America's so paranoid, but you understand why they're paranoid. Because a piss guy now drinking their thing saying, I've been poisoned by the government, does sound like a crap ball. But that literally has happened.

That's why I didn't get the vaccine. I said, look what they do sometimes. They're going to put it in a couple vaccines. I'm not trusting it. They did do the stuff that deserves the skepticism. Yeah, that's the point. Well, the point is, yeah, America has always done stuff at some point that deserves, like, the conspiracy theory is right every once every 10 times in America. Yeah.

Here, they're less, you know there was some guy who was like, I'm not drinking. And it was like, stop it. Yeah. It's fine. The government is not poisoning. And then the government never, like, takes a beat to be like, hey, we did that. We're going to hang the guy who did it publicly to make you all know. It's bad.

Our guy's David Ike. That's our guy. Yeah. Friend of the pod, David Ike. We got to do. He's the big conspiracy theorist. To be honest, I believe he was a guy. Holocaust deniers of his time.

Also, he might be the genesis of lizard people. Yes, he is. So he's one of the great pillars of modern conspiracy theories. The kind of the queen and like... He's kind of a transcendental anti-Semitism. Yeah.

Where it's like, you're not even offended by it because you're like, where is this? Where is this? Yeah, yeah. This is 2001 a space odyssey of anti-Semitism. Yeah. And does he like, does he believe it? Or is he now like in on...

Also, in saying, David Ikech goalkeeper. Yeah, he was a professional goalkeeper. For Everton, I believe. In Exorcistee, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Professional footballer.

His Wikipedia article says David Ike is a professional footballer turned Holocaust denial, which is one of the great sentences. There's an amazing Frankie Boyle story that David Ike came to one of his shows. Oh, yeah. And there's all these people queuing up afterwards to speak to me. He's just speaking to the audience. And one guy's just taking age of being so effusive about how much he loves Frankie Boyle.

And David likes behind him going on. All right, man. Which is, I would love. Wouldn't that be amazing to see. David like, go like, shut out. Shut out. Who's this fucking weird?

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baby. So listen to the screen rock podcast if that's the kind of thing. We'll see you there. What is it, Charlie? It's not true that if you believe all conspiracy theories like he does,

that none of it really means any, like how can you be a professional conspiracy theories who believes all conspiracy theories? Well, if you believe one is quite, if you believe, if you believe that people

can be that organized as you believe, don't believe anything. Then it's, you know, but like surely each one, if you believe all of them then you don't really believe any of them.

I don't think, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, like if you believe in every, every religion's true. It's like, well, that doesn't work. I don't think you need to deconstruct David Ike's beliefs like that. I don't think you're really owning him.

Let's get into what David I do. Yeah, well done, Charlie. You've proved David Ike wrong. Destroyed with truth and logic. Ike destroyed. So yes, anyway, the speakeasy, they think, this basically, this becomes the roaring 20s. Yeah, you forget that the 20s is prohibition. I get confused.

That's what's kind of mental about it, is that modern nightlife is invented by the fact. alcohols bounds. Yeah. And so by the end of Prohibition, 100,000 speakeas exist. It's the amount of gay sex orgies that happen in the Vatican. Yes. If you're not allowed to do it. But it is the bringing of women in because they're dancing now. The guys, they were dancing, you know, like arm and arm, but now you're bringing the women. Different races. And now you've got a whole new arts boom and then you got Chicago the musical. Because the truth is, so gays are always at the forefront of nightlife, gays and women. It's similar to how porn drives technology, right? Gays drive nightlife. Yeah. Definitely. Any, in

innovation in nightlife, it starts in... Yeah, yeah. And like porn, mixing of the races and everything else. Our female research just went, yeah, it's a shame. And so now these other women who are going, if you have whiskey on your lips, they don't kiss mine, and then you're like, well, these gals, it's not just kissing. Yeah.

They're going, they're going wild. Buck wild. So is this, would you say, this is the start of girls gone wild? It really was. I mean, lifting your leg up, that's basically lifting your t-shirt up. That's a wet t-shirt competition. Yes, it is. It's con.

It's conge. I mean, are we saying that kind of, yeah. know, is there glory hole stuff going on? How dirty these clubs? How glorious are these holes? Yeah. Because this, because speak eases would be like they'd be hidden, right? So you'd have like a fake book or something.

God is so weird. So yeah, it's the least imaginative, um, retro night. Yeah. Everyone becomes cool. Everyone becomes cool. You go to the secret club. There's a million of them. But everyone's like, I'm a bootlegger.

It's the first page of porn hub. It's the, it's like, if you think that's cool, it's like the first cool thing. I don't think people think the first page of porn hub is cool. No, no. First page four-up is cool. No, no. I mean, it's like... I'm a first-page pull-up guy, all right?

No, I mean it's... I like poor-lubs early stuff. I go all the way back. It's the lack of imagination. No, but you'd be cool. My point is, is like, being someone who's like, oh, that's brilliant. Lack of imagination.

When you're like, when I was a teenager and you're like the first to discover porn, you are cool in that small circle. Right. You're like, hey, I turn Google Safe Search off. Yeah. Yeah. Christopher Columbus.

Another great... Sorry, someone's backing off to the first page of porn. up and you're like, fuck, I didn't have some imagination. Yeah. My point is, it's a level of like, it's NPC, right? It means that you have, you have no edges to your personality, right? This is why I hate speakies. Yeah.

Is that it's boring. Oh, that'll do. Bang. Yeah, exactly. What's the first cool thing? Right. I work in marketing for Tesco's. I drink out of jam jars on the weekend.

Yeah, because that's fun. Yeah. I feel bad for these, they're just trying to have an interesting time. Yeah, but they're not interesting people. Mm-hmm. But that's why they need it. You're an interesting person, so maybe we have some sympathy for the people who aren't interesting. No.

No, absolutely not. Become more interesting. Sure. Pull yourself up. Don't go down to their level. They should come up to yours. Exactly. Pull the ladder up.

And watch them trying to hold. What theater do you like? Have you ever seen a thing that you like? Yeah, what's, um, you're waiting for heat, the play. Heat the play I'd watch. Yeah. There's a line and peep show where they're watching a play. They think we could be watching heat.

And I kind of, every play I watch now, I think I could be watching heat and it's better than this. There's some good historical musical. 1776 is a musical you could check out. Watch a Chicago movie after this. The movie of Chicago is very good. I tell you what, cabaret is good. Cabaret's good because the Nazis come in at the end. Right.

So you like the last bit. Do you know what I like about cabaret? What was the last time I enjoyed a play? I saw a cabaret in London. Yeah. When I was in high school, very bad production. And at the end, you know, he's going, welcome. And he takes off his, you know, outfit and he's wearing pajamas.

Yes, I saw that one. And it was, it was, it was such a bad production. People started giggling at the end. And they were giggling at this big pajama. Reveal, you know, concentration camp metaphor. You saw, you would do, did you see the guy? If this same way he would remember this, he only liked it with him. This is the same guy who's in the thin blue line, the camp guy.

What's his name? Richard Gapelor come out in the middle. Did a what? There was like a sailor with a sex where he comes. so long it goes like this. I don't remember that bit. But I didn't study musical theatre, so I'm,

you know, I'm not, I'm not looking slapping on the thigh. If, if you don't remember that's like it could not have been the same. You know, I'm not clicking like you are.

You go, that's, exactly. My dick's more, it's wet. It's like, is it connecting at all. Yeah.

It doesn't have that sharp. No, that sharp edge. But what would you recommend musical? I like company. Company is good. Sunheim is good. And I'm representing,

you know, Sondheim too. That's as good. And a little off the beat. So if you're trying to go, what would you recommend? I like some musical theatre, but it's not for me. I'm a tourist. Yeah, like Sweeney Todd is a good one.

Is it? Sweeney Todd historical. Out London. And not the movie. Don't watch the movie though. Listen, my dad. Oh, here we go. This is a good.

This is the best to play. This is a good play. So this is a play. You wouldn't know this. This is a play about England's 2018 World Cup run where we made it to the semi-finals. Sorry, I was going to say that is probably the last play I saw. Yeah.

So this is that they made a play basically for people who hate plays. Yep. And it's kind of insane. They just had like, basically they were talking about footballers who are playing now. So there was people on the national who are playing people like Harry Kane, you know. And Harry Kane should not be represented on theatre yet, if ever, but yet, you know. Dreadful idea. It's the same stage that they would play Macbeth or do the Greek tragedies.

Dance numbers with soccer balls. They had sort of like physical theater sequences instead of just like goals where they like that. Terrible idea. Yeah, no, no. Anyway, yeah, so the speakeasy, but your women are allowed in. Cocktails, they had been around before,

but they're basically popularized because they disguise the taste of all the homemade bath tub. All the poison that the government has put into. Yeah, yeah, man. And then there's Lucky Luciano, who we dealt with in the Mafia series. Yeah, he's the big daughter of the, Well, we should talk about Al Capone, right?

Al Capone, yeah. This is the kind of, ultimately that will lead to its undoing, you'd say. He's the most famous gangster of all time, Al Capone. Yes, yeah. Famous and also, like, publicly embraces it. Like, he's, like, doing interviews. Like, he'd be doing the podcast circuit now. Definitely.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. Retired gangster. Tell you how it really is. So he runs, uh, is it Chicago he runs? Chicago. Yeah, he does propaganda. He runs the underground scene.

And then Luciano does New York. Is that right? Luchiano makes murder ink. he makes basically like an actual business is that limited to company yes murder ink on company's house it'll say murder in okay right murder LLC was taken

yeah yeah but Capone ultimately does he orchestrate the St. Valentine's Day massacre in 29 I think he does I think he does what is the masco there's a rival gang

in Chicago and they get called by their maybe their boss to like a garage yeah they're like we got alcohol here yeah and then They get peshied? No, the police turn up.

Right. And they search them and they line against the wall and frisk them. And then it turns out the police aren't police, they're members of Capone's gang. And then two guys turn up with Tommy guns and they all... So this Bugsie Malone is playing off this sort of stuff? Yes, totally. The Tommy gun mask is right. And they empty the Tommy guns into these guys.

And this is the... This is on Valentine's Day as well. What a shame. It is. And the only survivor is the dog had been waiting in the car. And you know, you know those guys with the time against they had,

they had women back home being like, are you serious? You're working? Yeah. Come on. This is the towards the end of the prohibition when it's kind of made apparent to the public

that this has caused more problems than it's solved. Yeah. Because there's, you know, Italians being massacred in garages. Mm-hmm. Let's talk more about the mob violence. What about the guy?

What about the one guy who killed his wife? What's his name? The one guy. Oh, George Remus. George Remus. So he's one of the most successful bootleggers of all time. He was a lawyer. He was a lawyer first.

And he just like, he represented, I think he represented a mafia people. And he just realizes how much money could be made. He gets sent to jail. Oh, he purchased his whole distilleries. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He obtains government licenses to make medicine. It's just crazy.

They're doing it all so publicly. It really doesn't make sense. I mean, this is how bad the system was, that they're on full factories. It's not really, it's not even. It didn't help at all. Was that? Was women getting less hit at all? I guess they're out.

Are women hitting men now? Like, what's going on? The women are about to get the revenge on this guy. And this is where they realize something's wrong. Sure. Something's wrong. So he goes to jail and he's being treated like a king in jail because he knows them all. Everyone knows him.

But his wife starts an affair with, I think, one of the agents who busted him. No, another lawyer, right? Franklin Dodge. Yeah, he's another lawyer. Franklin Dodge. But is it the lawyer who helped him or who helped put him behind bars? He helped him. Helped him.

His financial lawyer. So he thinks he's got all this money back home and she meanwhile is going to get a divorce and leave with this guy. And so when he gets out. Calded by your financial advisor. Come on. I can't imagine that. How old your financial advisor do you think? He's in his late 50s and he's probably the most conservative man that's ever lived.

What's he wearing? He answers Zoom calls like this. Glass is on here, end of the nose, head at a right angle. Can you see your wife behind him? Yeah. The wife's just down there bobbing up and down. And he's, like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

He's getting the neck of his life. So he gets out of jail, goes back home to, you know, his mansion and it's empty. She's taking everything. And so they're going to, they're going to get a divorce. He goes to the final divorce proceeding. He's driving. He sees his wife's car. He says, you know, get him to the side of the road. He shoots her, kills her.

And then when he goes to court, he defends her. And then when he goes to court, he defends her. himself because he's a lawyer. Oh yeah. And he's one of his co-counsels. He's crying in the courtroom. And he, they let him off. Sorry, is this the same day? No, it's after a while. Oh, right. Sorry. After a while. But, but he, he kills his wife and they, he's declared innocent. They say he's had a really tough time. He's laid out his case. Well, it's early men's mental health. Well, it's Oja, I guess it's an early OJ. He was insanity. He pledged. He pledged. Yes. A man. An innocent man. An innocent man. Rightly cleared. It's crazy to plead insanity.

And you're your own lawyer, though. Yeah. Because you're like, well, you're good enough to prosecute this case. Your honor, this man is insane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The jury deliberated for 19 minutes before finding him not guilty by reason of temporary insanity.

Now, what you're trying to do? You're like, hey, you don't need to be locked up. You were a little crazy once. Can we get the stats up, please? Domestic violence in prohibition. Did it do anything? Let's dig under the data. Yeah.

I think there was definitely a downward trend. in it, I think. Maybe, but they're all drunk, so no one remembers it. No, but they were drunk before, yeah. Because also you have this, you have this conflict between the women who, the flappers and the moralists. Right. So flappers are, um, they goers, would you say?

They're go-go girls. So they go-go girls. They're showing the shin. Yeah. They're, um, dancing. They're flirting. They're dancing. And then you have moralists who are like women like, uh, Carrie Nation.

Yeah. We're wearing white burkers, basically. We're wearing a white burkers, smashing up a pub with an axe. Yeah. And so this is also, now I've never. I've never got into the Great Gatsby because I find it too whimsical. And it triggers, it's true. It's good.

It triggers my speechies, hatred of speakeasy in interactive theatre. Great Gatsby themed. I don't like that. There's two Gradesby musicals too, so avoid that. No. I like the 30s. Where in the world? Brazil?

Brazil. I like the 30s as a vibe. Where China? You know, Central Europe. Okay. There's more going on. Right. You know, it's a less whimsical time.

Right. You know, I get annoyed by whimsy's. sure it's my point and the 20 is quite whimsical age yes and there's a real slapback you think back then would you have been you've been a teetotaler probably yeah we're doing a moralizer

I would be immoralizer I would be a moralizer I would be a morelising yeah he would be someone who has his own drink is like the president drinking his own thing but I mean put out fucking drink down what are you doing in there what are you doing that's disgusting no keep doing it keep doing it I want to watch what about you I could see a part of me

I could see a different time being being like don't drink this is a bad thing because that was like that in middle score. Yeah, I don't know. I think I'll be getting after. I think so. The thing about this, though, is that when everyone realizes it's not enforced, because again, it's not a moral

victory, it's just the law. Whereas something like slavery, it's a moral victory, and then it's the law. They win the moral argument, and they win a war. They didn't lay the groundwork for this. No, not at all. As you say, it was like a loud minority. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But people who were going to drink were still going to drink.

But with slavery, it was like, they won the argument, they then defeated them on the battlefield. And that, do you what I mean? Yeah. I mean, they should have taken this to a war because then the dry would have won. Totally. What would have been drunk as five? Totally. They got women on the battlefield.

It would be a disaster. Go on, Charlie. Is it harder to stop then just because there's very little to do anyway. There's no like telly. Yeah, there's radio. I get the wireless. Yeah, with less to do, it must just be that all you can do is drink. I mean, yeah, what were you doing if you were dry? Because I mean, if you

praying. He's only God bothering, right? Go in a bed. Reading, knitting. The perfect broughts the night in. Yeah. But that's the whole thing. Go to bed at 4pm. Brilliant.

It's a same in America now. It's like, no, they're farming, they're keeping everyone fed and they're helping the economy run. So they got shit to do. It's now Huberman. That is coming back.

There's a whole temperance movement. Yeah, all he talks about it's going to bed. It's framed as masculine, masculine optimization, but it is temperance. He's like, perfect night. Go to bed. Exactly.

This is a thing. Eight hour sleep. Jim jams, done. You know? No, night. Alcohol's way down. Gen Z, they're prohibiting themselves.

It's sad. It is. It is. Well, yeah, it is. Well, I think the American... Die of a CEO. Yeah. Your guys relation to alcohol is so...

I mean, very different to American. In high school, people got in trouble all the time. Cops would bust parties. Which, why, when I see the prohibition, I'm very much like, I'm like, it makes me feel like, like American. Right. Because I'm like, yeah, you can't.

You can't tell us what to do. Because that's what they did in high school, the cops would... I got busted in school for drinking. And it fucked up a huge part of my life. How so? So, so. So after the... the theater shows, the final night,

you'd take down the whole set. You called strike. I remember the secondary school theater parties. So, yeah, you drink, you do drugs. I was in Washington, D.C. It was a liberal school. And then someone pulled the fire alarm. So our whole production got busted. They suspended a bunch of students.

I had to write every college saying I got drunk on campus. But I wasn't a bad kid. It was like a sex offenders register. Yeah. You have to go around, do it knocking on doors. Because you can get more than five points once. That's ridiculous. Yeah.

It was insane. But that's how, like this prohibition, this extends to still in Maryland this weird culture. Yeah. When they say that it was a success, it did change the culture in that if you do underage drinking in certain parts of America, you'd get in huge trouble. I mean, the drinking age being 21 seems pretty barbaric here. Yeah. It seems like a deep infringement of liberties.

But which is, that seems like a nightmare. And yet it guns. 21 is so old. Yeah. To be crazy. And in the country that used to give beers to eight-year-olds, it's like insane. Yeah. 16 year old, you can get a gun, 21, you can't have a beer.

Well, I guess if you've got a gun, you should probably shouldn't have a beer with five beers. That makes some sense. Wait, so they're stopping kids drinking because it's like, well, they need to be able to attain properly. To be fair, they're on automatic weapons, so let's not give them alcohol. It should be either a 16, you can get a gun or you can drink. Yeah. Yeah. Because then I bet you they'll pick drinking and they'll put the guns away.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's the legacy, though, because. Or if they're so drunk, they'll start missing at all these school shootings and it'll be fine. So the age of 21 is a prohibition legacy, do you think? That's sort of like a... But also the cultural legacy. Can you just play Jan Marca?

Are you aware of Sandro? No. Can we play Jammer. Go, Mallorca Day 2? Or is it... Horatius of completion. I think Miorka Day 2 is probably the best. Malaga Day 2.

Malaga day 2, that's pretty my favourite. So just before you play this, Jan Marka, there is a huge cultural difference. There's a huge cultural difference in what you consider, what Americans consider alcoholic and what Britain's consider cultural drinking. So you've never seen this guy before?

No. I think this is a great moment of cultural conversation, between our two nations. Because I think, first of off, because I've also drank, I'm friends with a lot more Americans now because of comedy,

and I've drunk with them, and it is interesting. They, a drink can take you a whole dinner. You, like, have one cocktail, they sip at it. It's like, it's insane. When, I've gone on a holiday

to Americans recently. It's like, if you're a Brit abroad, as soon as you're abroad, it's going from one pint to another. Before you get on the plane. It's like, the whole thing is set up,

and they just don't think like that. It's not a huge part of where we're going to get alcohol from. No. It's completely insane. But this is what, This is British drinking culture, basically. Put the sound on for us. My birthday's day is 60th, September.

There's 16 cocktails on menu. We decided you'll drink them all in the hotel by a lovely. There's Deborah pouring the genitonics into a video of me drinking one, but there they are. By the way, it's not yet, it's not yet 11 a. The April sprits, more than the bottle, she would let him out of it. And these guys are roaring their 20s.

I mean, this is the roaring 20s. Maybe 1 p.m. maybe not. Maybe 1 p.m. maybe not too good. Moly, it's a sculpt is downy hatch in one. Look how far is the video are here? Not even half fire. Not even half fire. She had to walk with your home.

He couldn't walk. Now, Tyler Walk, Moonhead back to the room. There he is. Going back and I got his kickoff. Nice and safe from him. He decided that if Rand, you come in to let the team down, you bastard, rats. See, this is culture.

Yeah. Yeah, so this is that one for a bit of food. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. European-star drinking. Yeah.

Open a bottle of wine with dinner. If they could go back at time and show that TikTok, Prohibition would have succeeded. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. But that's, but like, if we drank that much, maybe we wouldn't have needed to legalize marijuana. Like, I see some of this and I'm like, oh, you could do a drug and not spend $200 falling on the floor.

Yeah. And maybe that's, maybe that's prohibition's legacy as it led to marijuana being legalized sooner than you guys. Yeah. Totally. Definitely. Yeah. Because it doesn't have the same moral arguments in the same way. It's like, it doesn't.

They thought it would stop people getting fucked up. It's like, no, they'll find a way to get fucked up. It's going to be different ways. Yeah. You can't stop people from wanting. No, exactly. People always need a release. Yeah. Man needs a release.

Unless you're Tom Holland and you fucking talk like you've discovered sobriety. Yeah. And he's invented a drink called Beer Row. Who's this? Tom Holland. Yeah. Not the historian, the actor. Right.

They say it's because... We use it so interchangeably. Yeah, sorry. And he paints a story, I guess he used to drink too much. And then they say Zendai didn't like it. And now he's got this brand. It's got a whole brand story. What is it?

What is the story? It's called beer. Just like any nut-o alcohol of beer. Yeah. Yeah. The sales for nine alcohol alcohol. alcoholic drinks, it's huge. So how does prohibition collapse?

The corruption is so obvious. So Valentine's Day massacre is bad optics. Women who had campaigned for prohibition start saying this isn't working, I'm still getting hit. Now I can't buy a drink to fucking take the edge off. He's not even drunk he's doing because he's so frustrated. Exactly.

You know, England is still losing internationally. And then you get the Great Depression and basically they realize that they fucking, this whole economy that they're not taxing. Yeah, they need the money. So they need the money back. Fundamentally is probably an economic thing. This is my favorite thing about the whole story

is that FDR wins the 1932 election and his main policy is, I will legalize beer. Yeah, four terms. Has anyone ever had an easier run as president? Yeah, I'll vote for that. Yeah, the guy who's bringing pints back. Yeah.

I mean, he's like fucking slammed down. Yeah, and he had a pint when he signed off to the thing. He said this is a good time for beer. election, he goes, it's a good time for a beer. Wait, is he in a wheelchair at this point? No, I mean, he drinks quite a lot. No, as a drunk driver.

Right. Yeah. Does he have four terms? Is that what he has? Yeah, and he died in the fourth term. I'm right, yeah? Yeah, and that's when they got rid of, that's when they made the limit.

Ah, it's only after him. Then Truman comes in and immediately just goes, Pff. Yeah. I went to the, I went to the Hiroshima Memorial, and, you know, there's a picture of FD. And I'm like, yeah, and he died two months later when they were still, like, talking things out. And then Truman came in.

Yeah, it's easy. Fucking out. Yeah, simple. Just fucking easy. Two months in. I mean, Burnham's two months in now. That's a big two months, isn't it? Big two months.

Yeah. If Byrne did that now, he would not, people would be like, alright, that wasn't necessary. Why have you done that? Japan has not been kicking off for some time. What, drop it on here, Roshmur again? Give them again, yeah, when they least expense. Well, they're not even tensing. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Real. Really, Andy. I thought it was about like revitalising the north. What about Iran? Iran, surely. Why have we bombed to Rochma, Andy?

Two months in. Christ. Burnham's done it. So yeah. So Roosevelt wins the election in a landslide. Weeks after office, he signs the Cullen Harrison Act, which legalises beer up to 3.2%.

Session. Session beer is legal. He then says upon signing the bill, probably one of the smuggest things ever. I think it's a big of time for a beer. Yeah. And now breweries that had sat silent for 13 years because suddenly roll back into life

and they're accused, like, it's the new Harry Potter book or something outside. And then... But everyone's broke because it's the depression. It's a great depression. Yeah. So the ruling 20s is over. Weirdly, they legalize alcohol

and it becomes an American in the 30s is quite depressing, right? Yeah, it's greatly depressing. That's the dust bowl, isn't it? That's all the kind of like, is that? But also, sorry, I didn't know this. NASCAR is a star by people driving whiskey from Canada illegally.

Right. That's how NASCAR started? NASCAR starts. They go, who can do it the fastest? Basically, and then they start showing off how good they are at driving. Oh, I see. And they're pissed. Something like that, yeah.

Illegal prohibitioneer and moonshines modifying ordinary cars to outrun the police, which evolves into an organized sport. See, that's why I don't like NASCAR, because for me, that's the speakeasy of sports, where it's like, it's like, okay, you're not doing anything illegal anymore. So, oh, I'm impressed you went to. in a circle. Commit a crime and get away. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Promission formally ends 1933. 20th Amendment. 21st Amendment. 21st. How many amendments have there been? I don't know.

There's a lot. But that's the only, is that the only one that really was like, nah, nicks that other one. Yeah. That's strange. And how they canceled amendments? Because was slavery an amendment? Was that? And they canceled the amendment.

Or do they make an amendment to cancel slavery because it was in the original? Yeah. And what do you guys have? We don't actually have a constitution. we just have a king who's a sort of walking constitution. Yeah. But now? Yeah, we don't have a constitution. You don't have like a, you don't have a numbered thing. No, we have like a collection of different documents.

We have Magna Carta, Bill of Rights, that tot up to it. We didn't even have a revolution. So we didn't have like, right, let's codify all this. It's sort of built up over many years. That's better. You need a little chaos. When it gets too strict, you got 18th and then you have to keep the 18th. We still have it. We don't have like, we don't have huge debates about what is the Constitution and whether it's... What is 21st, does it just say, my bad? Like, what, like, or do they say the 18th

is overridden? So the amended the amendment? No, it is a new amendment. Yeah. It's two separate... So 18th is still there. So can you plead the 18th? Here it goes. The 18th article of the amendment, the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. So it's literally just says, just take it out.

Yeah. Just take it out. Move everyone back one. So that's, I mean, we've sort of discussed really how Prohibition has reshaped American drinking. No. But I really didn't. I really think when I think about like how people got in trouble where I remember parties where we're like it would be, you know, in some residential neighborhood and the cops would block off the exit and then just go and bust the whole party. And and when you heard the cops were coming and you'd get in a car with someone who was drunk as fuck because you didn't want to get in trouble. Yeah. And I'm like that has to extend from. Yeah, sure. Yeah, definitely. But what the police are they doing it for the power trip or do they genuinely think it's a moral? I think it's the Puritans who still exist in Maryland where I grew up. But I went to New York City. I did a musical theater summer camp in New York City and I had a fake ID because that was the thing.

Right. And I remember going to buy a gallon. What was your name? I know it's from Hawaii. Sparkles McGee or like? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because that's what I look like naturally a little bit. But to be fair to you, how do you sort of yassify Jan Marcos Sarasi?

That's true. It's already kind of sparkly McGee. I show ideas now they're like, this is not your name. Yeah, exactly. And I remember I went to go 15 years old, go to buy. a gallon of the cheapest vodka, couldn't be more suspicious. And I went to, in New York, and I went to go buy it. And they didn't ask for the idea at all.

And that's an extension of New York culture being like, just fucking drink. I would go to restaurants when I was 15 in New York, and they would just let you drink. Maryland, never. I still get carded in Maryland. Really? Yeah.

Get carded. Yeah, they check your age. And I think it's all an extension of this. Sure. And it's same with high school. It's like, they're drinking. They're drinking. What are we, everyone's doing it.

Yeah. So why are you gonna punish the, you? You know who you're going to punish, and this is what happened with me. You're going to punish the people who aren't good at getting away with crimes. Yeah. That's all you're getting is the dumb criminals. And the smart ones are going to the good colleges. Yeah.

It's the long road to a guy walking through a shopping center, smearing pool on the walls. Yes. We talk about the first episode. Which is the price of freedom. You could draw a line from prohibition to this right here. 100%. It's floral of stuff. Anyway, Jamako, you're on tour in the UK?

Yes, doing a big tour in October. So all over. Going to Foxton. John Marco and Foxton. Jan Marco's going to Fokston. My God, what a culture clash that will be. Can't wait to see what the people of Kent. Think of Jan Marco Sarasi.

Follow Jan Marco. Other places too, to be clear, not just Fokston. He's not come all the way here to go to Fokston. But mainly it is. He has. He doesn't leave Kent the whole tour. He's doing the Palladium. Palladium and Pichmalladium.

Really, it's Foxton. Yeah. We're going to stick around on the page. We'll talk more about jazz. That's been prohibition. And we'll see you all next week. Bye. Bye.