Fin vs History - Wearing Your Dad’s Suit To Chat Up Your Mum | Sigmund Freud & The Birth of Psychology (Part 1)

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

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Yeah, I just think our relationship has not been in a good place for the last couple of years and I don't know if it's my fault or her fault, but I just don't know what the cause of the issue is Well, what I propose we do is something called a Rorschach test right, which is some ambiguous inkblots right and you just tell me what you say that you see Okay, that could be good, yeah, it's a way of trying to put meaning onto the subconscious you know what at this point. I'll try anything Okay, so just just say what you see What that's ridiculous just say what you see

that's a that's a cock and balls it's very interesting that you say that well I didn't no it's very interesting that's not make a note of that okay that's very I mean I don't know how you can interpret that as anything else that's not okay that was just a drawing

I said there's no wrong answers here but just trying to tap into the unconscious mind that was just a I don't know I don't want you thinking that means I'm like okay so the second one is this a joke what do you see I think I'm gay, but that's not what I... Is that what you think?

No, no, that's not what I... That's what's written there. So you think it's some writing? Well, no, it, of course, it's writing. Couldn't be anything... No, that's not me saying that I think... I don't know how you about. I'm not like saying I think I'm gay.

That was, that was written on the... I don't know how you've got that, but that's fine. It's whatever you see. There is no... I don't remember it. I don't remember it being like this. Last one. And as before, just say what you see.

You go on. It's all about your subconscious, okay? Well, yeah, I thought. I thought it was, but... What do you see? Well, you've written Me a Big Pido Battyman Gay Style. You sure that's everything it says? At the bottom it says brackets in a Jamaican accent.

Okay, so if you want me to help you, all together, what do you see? Me, Big Pido Battyman Gere style. Fascinating. Absolutely. I don't know how that's fascinating. I don't know how you have your license to be a trained psychologist. You should be struck off. This is ridiculous. Well, I think. you're gay and you owe me £2,000.

Next. Welcome back to Finn versus History. Joining me is Horatio Gould. Bloody hell, mum, looks fit. Today, it's the history of psychology. Sigmund Freud. This is an academic look at the history of headcases, whack jobs,

nutters, fruit loops and tards. It's to give them there. It's the long road to now, to our fans. It's the long road to everyone who's listening. Surely everyone's got something. Surely. Surely. I don't.

I'm robust. I don't do therapy. No, thank you. Don't get inside my head cage. I definitely think therapy, I view therapy as being quite nosy. I think it's weak pursuits. I think it's none of my business what's going on in there.

None of my business. And it's none of yours either. Why am I paying you? Could you stop looking around my attitude? You should be paying me to know my business. You should be paying me to know my business. secrets. Yeah. Yeah. It's the fucking, it's the fucking

door well in a car. Oh yeah. Don't look in there. Just don't look down. Don't look down. I do not look at your fucking business. I don't look down in my car. And that's none of your business. What's going on there? Daddy, what's in? Don't look down. Don't look down. Genuinely, there's mold growing on the back of my car on the floor. Yeah. So ignore that. And just keep looking at the road. No, I'm not.

Yes, I am dealing with it by not acknowledging it. I'm driving forward. Always go forward. Always forward. Don't look back. Yes, there's a new pandemic growing in the back of my car, but that's not my problem. Always forward. Always forward. I don't have a reverse gear. I just go round and round and round.

Yeah, so we're going to be, this series is sort of, we'll be mainly dealing with Freud. And then going in towards all the way up to the present day. I mean, it is, it's fascinating because now obviously everyone's got something. We've medicalised everyone's personality to fuck. No one can just be a bit weird or a bit annoying. It kind of colours everything now. Everything is like therapy taught. It's viewed through the lens of psychology.

It's like a whole shift in how we view every single motivation, how people act. It's completely changed our world basically. No one can just be a dick. They have to have fucking... Or a heretic that we can burn at the stake. Like that's all gone because now it's like maybe they just following, you know,

you know, the orders in their head and stuff like that. It's not their fault. You can't like as a mob go up to someone with a big nose's house and then skew them on a pitchfork and scream. Like, that's all gone now. I think you still can do that,

to be fair. I think there's still quite a lot of people who like doing that. Maybe the... But it's more frowned upon why polite society as opposed to encouraged. It used to be polite society.

Polite society used to mean... He's got a fucking massive nose. Are you coming with us to pitch what the guy that they know live? And you say, no. You go, what, are you not polite? You're not joining in with the mainstream. So Freud is knocking about in the...

It's the end of the 19th century. as I've said many times my favourite period I mean it's got a lot of fruity stuff and to be honest it does sort of lead to the fruitiest of fruity times the 19th century and they're knocking about

at the same time Freud and Hitler they're in the same city they're a couple streets over from each other it's very apposite that the father of psychology is born in Austria or he's born in what's now the Czech Republic I think

was the Austrian Empire because and all these all these you know the founders of psychology they're all Austrian and German because they're the weirdest people there are. It's the country of, as we've said, Fritzel, Baumgartner, Schwarzenegger, Mozart. You know, these are Hitler, these are all fruit loops and people have gone, why are we so strange? Why is this country so different to others? And so they start looking at inside.

It's a homeschool kid. Germany is the homeschool kid of the world. And they come meet. Do you guys not do that? No, it's Austria. Austria is the homeschool kid of the world. Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. Do you not stamp on dry corn flakes in the morning? Like what? No. We get out and go to school. put a clothes on. So before Freud, let's just do a quick, a quick sweep through history. Because it's very, very recent that anyone's

actually thought that what's going on in your head might mean anything or giving it any importance. So the word psychology comes from the two Greek word, psych meaning mind and Logos meaning reason. So before that, there was humours, which, now that was about

1,400 years. It was more than that. So the Greeks came up, Hippocrates, what was the name? Hippocrates came up with the humours and then they thought, well that's solved that's fine for a thousand, four hundred years. Think about how much change is happening in psychology every year.

It seems to be there's a new disorder, there's a new way of viewing things. The humours held for about, yeah, over a millennia. Much as Greek plumbing has held to this day. They were like, we'll just poo in a hole in the ground, wipe her ass with the vase, and that'll be fine. I do quite like the humours though. So the four humours are blood, this is bodily fluids, phlegm, yellow bile and black bile.

And basically your personality traits meant you had one too much of the other. Yeah, it's like an Overton window. You want to be just in the middle of yellow-black. Yes, you do want to be a centrist. Yes, you do want to be a centre-ed-you-lawed, that you're humus, basically. Yes, exactly. But if you have too much of one equality, then it will affect your character. So if you were sanguine, which meant you were too bloody, that would mean you're sociable, energetic, cheerful and confident.

Now, which one do you think Charlie is out of these four? Let's go through them. Then you've got caloric, which is too much yellow bile, ambitious, irritable, quick-tempered and intense. That's an interesting mix. Yeah, I wouldn't say that's Charlie. I wouldn't say that. Melancholic, too much black bile. Analytical, sensitive, serious and sad.

Maybe the... I don't know any of these are charlid. I am... I am analytical and sad. I don't think you have an analytical bone in your body, brother. I don't think you're analytical at all. I think you want something sad, but you have no way to analyse it. Why?

Sort of like a... Do I feel like this? Like a pig in a cage. Yeah. Yeah, you don't know. There's a sadness there, but there's no real profound understanding. You don't know what sadness is because you're so thick. So it's like, I feel unhappy.

Yeah. What is that? Are my horny or hungry or I'm in a cage? Why am I unhappy? All this flammatic to flemmy, which means you're calm, slow to react, steady and unemotional. Now, when they said phlegm, do they mean the modern use of the word phlegm? Is it still the same? It's weird how the word phlegm has changed.

Flemm really has changed. changed. Flem is meant calm and steady and kind of cool head to mucus that you hoik up off the bow of ship. I don't know why the other thing. Flamatic. He's very flammatic. Yeah,

because you're expelling the bile. So let's just go back to the qualities. So I think Charlie is definitely sanguine, sociable, energetic, cheerful, confident. I think that's, he's definitely the blood one for sure. He's not quick-tempered or irritable. No. So he's not cholera. No, he's like a dog, he's like a gone retriever.

Yeah, he's bouncing. He's got no yellow bile. in him. Yeah. I get angry at home though. I get angry in the privacy of my own home. Really? What do you like when you're in your own car?

Do you just like... Shouting. Sometimes I'm like... Some of the wheel. Some of the same, Charlie! I feel like, I feel as a kind of form of therapy, I'll just go sit in a car. Charlie, that's brilliant therapy.

Is it? Take it from me. That's all the therapy a man needs. Lock the car, scream, open the car, go back inside. Maybe as a man who doesn't drive, maybe I'm missing out on a huge stress release. This is why people think...

Because I'm cycling. You can't go like, Oh my God! You cut! You whack her! I would like to see a cyclist as aggressive to cars as cars are to cyclists.

No, this is why people think you're gay. Right. It's because you don't drive, so you don't have a straight release. You don't have to, you don't have the time where you can sit in the car and everyone else has got out

and that's your special man time. That's where you process your feelings. Whereas now my special man time is... Walking down the street. Right. So that... Oh. Or whatever, I don't know

So my release is walking out of the street going Oh Yeah, that is quite gay It's straight to the other street going I mean I've seen you do that And I think you wonder why people ask you if you're gay or not He's not helping the allegations Yeah

Hi! I'm trying to relax I do think I do think a form of therapy Would be going gay for a bit Or like just looking gay for a bit Would be You know what's an unbelievable form of therapy

Go on I think the truth is It's probably not the right thing to say, but accidentally have Down syndrome is unbelievable. If you live, I've seen a lot of clips about this sort of thing about retard maxing. Going full retard is like... Have you seen this retard maxing thing? We're now finance, bro, are saying if you should start retard maxing, because what this means is that you don't think about, you don't overthink things. You don't contemplate risk.

You just do, which is what successful entrepreneurs do. So there's something to it. There is, but the line they're drawing is that all successful entrepreneurs have Down syndrome, which I don't think. I think that's a bit of a leap. Well, there's a film by Lars von Trier called The Three Idiots where these three guys have decided to just basically. The whole film is just them pretending to be retarded. Right.

And as this kind of like social experiment or therapy. But I do genuinely feel there's something that really, in the privacy of my own home, going full retard is like, I feel so much, there's such a state of calm. In your own home, if you're going full, you're at the school gate, there's a mum you don't know and I'm just hugging her. Hello? Just giving her a big hug.

what happens. It genuinely, it clears me out. Because it's just none of the worries. I think it would give me more problems. You've got bigger problems to fry. Like it feels like it just the, it takes all of your, it blurs all of your problems. Yes. It takes everything out of focus. So the four humours were, this lasted into the sort of medieval period, really.

And temperaments were used as a sort of medical system for mood, behavior, illnesses. they would say if you were like depressed or panicky or angry they'd say well you've got too much of one humor Is it like a star sign thing or can you change? Are you like I'm black bile? No no I think it's more like vibe. I know I'm black bile Or can you change?

No I think it's just your personality I think it's personal I don't think it's mood I think you're saying I'm having a yellow bile day Yeah I think I think it's your I think it's more like I'm a Pisces I'm a black bile. It's a constantly shifting thing right? That's the whole point is that it's literally just like...

Oh, so you're trying to always get them in balance. Yeah, yeah. But surely you have a natural setting, a default, because this is... I don't think you're naturally disposed. This is being used at people. This is a way of describing people who, what we would now say is having learning difficulties or, you know... But it's not learning difficulties. It's like someone who's angry.

It's someone who's a bit, you know... But it encompasses all of them. Someone who's confused. It encompasses all of them. Because otherwise that means if you've got someone who, what we now say has downturn... But in the medieval period, they've been like, okay well this guy still hasn't sorted out his over his over to do so yellow biot guy guys just got unbelievable amounts of sanguine yeah this guy's got so much blood at him he's so sanguine he's so

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Because there's yellow bile. in there, but I think they might be, they might have just misunderstood blood clots. Blood clad. So, yeah, if you're blackbile, you, what are there again? You like, blackbile, analytical, sensitive, serious, sad.

The sensitive sad, Jamaica, blood clad. Blood clad. Blood clad. That was kind of the medieval, and sort of the medical interventions they do, like it's all herbs and vomiting and. Rosemary time.

Like making a fuck Put a lemon up your ass All that stuffing yourself like a chicken And fucking having a bath Leeches, all of that Bloodletting Oh yeah because that's why You did the leeches right

To balance you out Yes So yeah Charlie would be leached Charlie would be constantly So quickly Yeah Because you've clearly got One of these

You got way too much But also Sauners are a thing They could try and get out To smoke you out So even I imagine those saunas Weren't as nice as saunas

Now I feel like How long I'd be sawner been around. It's a Finnish Sauna's, how long's that

tradition? How long's that been a thing? But this feels the medieval sweathouse, I imagine, is not,

doesn't have the same, these were Irish. Irish sweathouses. I do think if I'm in a sauna and the background chatter is Irish, I'm not having

as nice a time as in David Lloyds. What does that background chatter sound like? You know the video of the Irish family trying to get

a bat out of their kitchen. Teddy! Teddy! Would you catch him? Catch the bat! Teddy! Man!

Ted Black Lackin is there! That one. I imagine if I'm in an Irish sauna, that's going on, and I'm being like, I'm hot and I'm hearing this. I'm not relaxing. I want to go into the cold plunge of English Protestant repression. Teddy, catch him!

Did you catch the bitch? Anyway, so, yeah, we get to, so between the 14th and 17th centuries, people started to sort of think, is this mind thing really? These humours, is this what's going on? But these are long periods.

At this point, it's like 300 years where they're like, maybe the mind means something, and that's it. Maybe. That's the most progress there. made. So in, we get to, and listen, a huge, phrenology fans, make sure you're sitting down. We get to, uh, physiognomy.

Okay. Which is another, uh, studio sciences, I think, I think that's the wrong term. It's a science. It's a science. Okay, leave politics out of this. It's a science, all right. Physionomy is, uh, the science of interpreting a person's intelligence by looking at their physical appearance.

particularly how fuck their faces. I mean, I've had, there's been a lot of physiognomy in the comments as soon as I took my glass. You're a physiognomal Marvel. Yeah, you take your glasses off. People said that my IQ went from 140 to 70. They're also interpreting your sexuality through lack of...

Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. So there's a lot going on. There is a lot. So it's comparing human faces to animals to imply certain behaviours. So if someone looks like a fox, they're cunning. You know, women are cats.

men are dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, there's something there. Have you seen like hunter eyes and prey eyes? Get hunter and prey eyes. Sorry, what's Charlie found? That's John Pork. Charlie's, just Charlie's Googled man who looks like a pig. How many of them are real men? Charlie, that's what I want to know. John Pork is real. John Pork. Yeah. John Pork is an AI influencer called John Pork who identifies as a pig. Man. A pig man. He likes good vibes. And he's from Italy. He's from Palermo now. You want to be called John Pork. You want to be called John Pork in Italy. They love fucking, no-tell-you-ins-Slamy in no time. They're going to turn in, yeah, exactly.

Right. Do hunter eyes and prey eyes. Look at this. So this is what people... This is what's going on TikTok. See, look, so this is basically saying that women are more attracted to men with the certain building of the eyes that are... Because they look like hunters. And there's people who have like prey eyes that they look like a fucking cuda or an antelope. Right. Okay. So what have you got? You've got hunter-ey-eye. I've probably got hunter-eyes, but maybe be two hunters.

Zoo Hunter that I can't see. Because there's a lot of physiognomy. How do you say it? Physionomy. Weirdly, because of the rise of like looks maxing, people are getting really obsessed with... What's looks maxing? So it's like, it's pretty big now with young guys.

It's coming to young guys, basically. If you want to fully realize your potential, you've got to do a lot of plastic surgery to look like... Oh, like Simon Cow? The ultimate giga chad. Right. But it's more like jaw surgery.

Right. Okay. And, you know, basically, it's kind of come out of intel. which is like the chads get everything yes but you can basically now oh i've seen yeah so it's a lot about it's like chin maxing and stuff crazy so uh physiognomy became deeply tied to racial science because it provides justification for slavery and colonialism uh after the fact people go why are these people slaves it'll be because they look like they're slaves uh that's easy for me to process they got a hat with a show slave on it yeah and they're in chains so yeah of course they're a slave

So this is obviously when we get to the the phrenological science of when they categorised other races as lower on the evolutionary scale. But so this wasn't just the head size, this was facial features. Yeah, it's complicated. It is a complex science. This is interdisciplinary.

Physiology and phrenology. There's a lot going on. Jaw structure, lip thickness. School of thought. Nose shape. You know, this is what you would say, I am a doctor. Deeply contested within the field.

Yeah, I'm a doctor of phrenology and my specialism is in jawstress. structure. You know, I've written a serious paper on underbites amongst sub-Saharan Africans. You must think if you have no jaw or no chin, that must mean something, right? Well, I judge people who have no chin. I don't know what I don't know. Cowardly, right?

Yeah, I guess. I guess. It looks like they've got just a big, yeah, they're always going, oh, oh, yeah, they look like a lady who's been shown a penis in the water. If you can't fold towels with your chin, you can't be leading a battle, you can't be doing a braveheart speech. That's true. You're right Fidon Fuck off

Yeah Yeah What other facial features Do you judge people? I can't say it Physionomy Physionomy Physionomy

But I guess we do All do it Of course We're all physiognists We are all amateur Physionomists Because people's faces You do you do

You do make Personality Judgment So this is when you get into Evolutionary Biology Which is where they say That's because it's all

takes us back to the savannah and it's all saying that this particular type of face. I don't know it's hot. Yeah. It makes me fucking hot that face. But this particular type of face tells my nervous system something about your threat level or something, you know. You're a fucking right.

Yeah. So, but anyway, phrenology and physiognomy, they're separate terms, but as we say, closely connected during the 90th century. They've sort of become interchangeable. You know, um, beauty standards apparently change over. time. So like if back in the day, apparently.

Well, like, could you, could you make people fancy pig people if you, if everybody did it and if we, I think the pig nose could come into fashion. What, you mean people are going to get nose drops the other way? Yeah, yeah. I could see that like,

yeah. Stranger things have happened. I wouldn't want to stick. If everyone was, was getting a pig nose and like having pig, pig nose wife. Would that mean that Eskimo kisses are two people going like truffling at each other's face?

Or he came into each other. If that was the style, if all of the like all the perfume ads they all had like pig noses yeah like how much of it do we actually feel if Charlie XX got a pig nose

I feel it probably catch on yeah you know you're right if someone says it serves cunt to get a pig nose yeah look at that pig nose you're serving cunt today are you serving cunt today

what's the specials serving porky cunt now Nazi scientists never has to have been two words that I'd rather see together Nazi scientists, they go together like, I don't know. Fish and chips. Fish and chips.

Nazis and science. They utilize physiognomy to define the Aryan race into physical boundaries. So they measure noses, skull, skin color, create a hierarchy. Obviously, they label Jews and Roma people is inferior. They're doing this through science, though. Okay? It's objective, to be fair. It's an objective science.

Let's go past that unconscious bias and let's just go to the numbers. It's not what I think. It's what your face is telling me. It's expected goals. It's the underlying stats. Yeah. It's data. You might think this, but if we dig into the actual numbers.

If we dig into the size of your jaw, we will see a link in your IQ. So we then, I mean, there's a guy called Duchene, who is a, he's sort of focused on muscular action and like facial expressions. He's not, he's early 19th century. He's French. But his main thing is saying, is trying to work out that a. genuine smile from a fake smile, from like a small talk smile. Yes.

And the main thing he worked out is that your eyebrows stay angry when you're fake smiling. Yeah, I mean, is that science? I don't know. And then a genuine smile, you're all going like this. Yeah.

But when you're fake signing, you go. Yeah. A guy who realized that eyebrows mean stuff and he's a scientist. I mean, I guess all this stuff is open, isn't it, a nice century. No one's been... No one's even thought about it once.

But if I need to look evil, If you look up, you need to bring your head up before your eyes. I'm going to try it. Gary Oldman told me in it. I didn't chat to him, but he told me. Bring your head up before your eyes. Yeah, so you look down and then you bring up. Yeah.

How do you look good? Bring your eyes up before your head. Yeah, if you want to look nice, yeah. No, because then you're doing this. If you want to look, if you're looking non-threatening, you go cross-side. If you're bringing your eyes up before your head, then you're doing this, which looks like you're frowning at someone. Yeah.

Remember, you're not on camera. But the Duchesne's smile, he gave his name to a smile, which is a true expression of joy. I mean, again... Yeah, but everything's up for grabs, isn't it? I know, it's like you give your name to anything in this DNA.

Well, now, just smiling with your eyebrows is the Duchens smile. Not an anal douche, Charlie. So his pioneering work... Can you gape? Sorry? The Duchan smile is when you gape after doucheesies. No, that's the Charlie Milner smile

is you gaping an asshole. Gaping after being duch, Charlie. You know what, first time I ever dozed. First time I ever douched, I didn't understand. The first time I ever dushed. My first douche. I've never said that sentence ever, ever. I sit in my car alone.

I can doge you. Sorry, I'm not asking to be douched. Carry on your story. I didn't understand how it worked and just literally shat all over the floor. I was in Oslo. In Norway, on a kind of sexy weekend. On a sexy weekend? Poohed everywhere.

Yeah, me and my girlfriend, I was. going away so we went on like a sexy weekend and when I shout on the floor in it kind of sport the vibe, sport the mood. Seriously? So why were you in audition on a sexual weekend? To explore my bum? To explore. And was it? In Norway, do you have to get as far away from? We're going to Norway so that I can explore my book. Did you see any museums? Did you go to the monk? No. He went up the fuels. The glaciers are melting. He's awesome of the scream. We went to the pub and um, and walked in the snow. and then I douched in the toilet.

Right. But how did it ruin the vibe? Did she find out of the Shatt? I don't know. It's just not very like, I'm not doing. No, but she didn't have to know about it. Was she there when you packed your douche?

Yeah. Yeah. So it was like, we're going to go to Norway to explore. Well, yeah. Can you pack some spare pants as well? Can you not just pat loads different douches? Do you ever douched?

No, I've never douched. Would you like to? Well, I'll clean my ass. That doesn't count. What do you mean? What's the difference to you? Yeah, I've wiped my ass.

I've not douched over the floor in Norway. Is it an enema? But you don't give yourself an enema. It's not a back street enema. What's an enema? Enema is a professional ass class. I love a man who's given himself an enema nearly every day of his life,

not knowing what enema is. An enema is a... Oh, bum's quite a time. Oh, right, right. That's why I never called it that. A yummy bum bum. I thought that's my holiday bum-dush. Yeah, you can go...

Apparently... What's an enema. So apparently, an old agent of mine went to Thailand on like some kind of juice cleanse holiday and she got like several enemas repeatedly and she said that

if you get enemies there's like a tube you can watch videos where you see your like your guts going through tube or whatever what's in your bowels and it's proper cleaning out basically if you eat meat and fish any amount of meat and fish does worms in you yes you just got worms in you so

enemas to get it out but then as soon as you eat meat again it's those come straight back come back but they're harmless worms it's not like bumworms. It's just, hey? What are they doing? Chill-to- Just sort of truffling around. Snuffling about. Anyway, let's get to,

so hypnosis comes in in the sort of 19th century. A guy called mesmer, who is where we get the word mesmerizing from. He was the first person to coin the phrase animal magnetism, which is this idea that living bodies contain a magnetic fluid that affects health. So he used to treat people by like

waving his hands over them like a fucking nonce magician. But that's where we get the... What would that do? I don't know. I think it was just... But this is the... Yeah, it's trying and error though.

We did an episode on hysteria, and hysteria was what they called anything where they... It wasn't like a physical... Yeah. Illness. It was like someone's clapped. Yeah.

Someone's mental. They call it hysteria. A woman screaming in the new an event a dildo just to shut her up. A woman was horny. Let's wank her off and then she's fine. Yeah. She's hysterical.

But that also, it's very funny. The female sexuality until the 1920s was grouped in the same way as schizophrenia and down syndrome. It was the same thing. Why is she so irritable and angry? And she's got Down syndrome. She's got Down syndrome.

She just needs a wank. No, no, no, no, no. It can't be that. It can't be that. So I think let's get to Freud, who is the sort of father of psychology. He is born, as we said, in the Czech Republic, then the Austrian Empire.

He grows up in Vienna. He marries Martha Benet's. He has six children. he becomes quite quickly a sort of doctor and specialising in the nascent science of neurology and he becomes famous ultimately for insisting that sexual desire and childhood development shape your personality and are the root cause

of the mental illness. Well, Zinzman Freud is he's by far the most important psychologists of all time, but then all of his theories are sort of thrown out the window. Yes. Sort of everything he said was bollocks, but he's by far the most important ever. You have to remember that, yeah,

all his theories, He's the goat and everything he said was nonsense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All his theories come down to, yeah, you're fucking horny. That's the problem. You have to remember that Freud is around in the Victorian area where no one is allowed to be horny. Yes.

So obviously everyone's issues are repressed sexuality. Yeah, probably. Because everyone is so horny, and yet you have to wear the, you know, you have to dress up like a fucking French fancy to leave the house. Yeah. You've got rough, you've got a hat,

you've got several undercoats, petty coats. You know, no one's going commando in the Victorian period. And everyone's just gagged. for it, but you do not, under any circumstances, impolite society, mention that you may want to, or at any point, had sex. So he's like, well, obviously everyone's just desperate to fuck. And that's why everyone's mad.

The madness of Austrians is probably very Freudian, right? Because they're quite an ordered society until they're not. Yeah, well, yeah. Until they're too ordered, you might say. They're overly ordered. But again, he's walking around Austria going, why is this place so fucking weird?

Why is everyone so fucking... Why are so people are mental? Why are people jumping from the moon. What are you jumping from? Why are you jumping from space?

Just have a wank, Felix. Why is he the Terminator? Why is he built a basement and fucking his daughter in it? Did we talk about? Is Baumgartner's super right wing? He was. He is dead.

Yeah, was he super right wing? Yeah, he was, he talked about in the space actually. He's a conservative space. He stood over the earth and just went, nah, you've got to close the borders. It was hilarious.

Yeah, he was very right wing. But then what does an Austrian left-wing person look like. I don't want to meet them. You don't want to meet them. I don't want to meet them. Because they'll be fucking mad. Yeah.

What else is going on in their head? Yeah. Basically all the concepts that we now, like Freud is probably more responsible for like language than, as in he's giving us more words than I can, I think anyone. We just started it all off. Yeah. Even thinking about it in that way.

It's completely paradigm shift. The whole idea of the unconscious is Freud. He's like, you don't know why you're doing that. Which is so, it defines how. being pre-freude, just the way we'd talk about everything would be so different. So sincere.

Not having the unconscious to fall back on. It would be a fucking nightmare. Why'd you do that? I guess I wanted to. I guess I really wanted to. I don't think I did, but I did it, so I wanted to.

Everything must have been so literal pre-froid. Defense mechanisms, dream analysis, psychosexual development. So his early clinical works as I've said, involves women who had hysteria.

which means they were either sort of annoying, horny, annoying and horny. They weren't... Loud. They were loud. Their stories didn't end. They hadn't done the washing that day. They weren't putting out.

Big nose. Couldn't drive. The list goes on. I mean, yeah, I haven't got enough time. His main core ideas in his early works. And bear in mind, he's like the only guy. He's the first guy who thinks, why don't I just sit and talk to this nutter?

Yes. And they're not even nutters. They're just people who are a bit sad or whiny or horny. Before Freud, everyone had been doing rubbing hands on them. I've been like trying to wank him off with a non-wanky hammer. It's trying to error though. You've got to try that stuff. He's the first guy and he's the first person who says,

we should have a conversation but I shouldn't be facing you because then you're going to open up more. If you're lying down the bed and sat here, you're going to open up more. And he comes up with this idea of... He does the Posnan. He does the Ponsan to them. The Posan actually, when they do that, they're actually letting the away fans be like,

oh, we can open up now. We're actually really sad at the goal you've scored. Do you know what? You're allowing me to express my sadness, and that's very nice. But yeah, so he comes up with this technique of free association, which is you just let them talk, and in letting them talk,

they will reveal their unconscious. I mean, that's true. It is true. There's people who just can't help but feel silences. Yeah. It's just, that's when the real magic. I'm very good at holding silence. Very good.

Very good. I do think it's a big mistake to want to feel silences. That's where you say the mad shit. What? What's that supposed to mean? I think you're needy. That's what I'm drawing from that psychoanalysis. Couldn't not feel the silence.

We've got to remember this is an audio form. Have I told you my worst therapy experience? I'd love to know your worst therapy experience. Oh my God, yeah. This is, I think this is the first episode of Boys Gone Wilde. First thing I ever said in the pod, actually, was it. This is kind of the beginning of realizing Charlie wasn't who we thought he was. Yeah.

Remember when he was just a booker on Finn versus Internet? And he was just a quite a charming, sweet guy. Such a charming sweet guy. Yeah. And I thought, I could be a producer of Boys Gone Wild. And I was worried, I was like, maybe I wanted someone a bit mental to be the producer. And then this is what he told us from the first episode. Such a competent, competent professional man, I thought, in the first couple months.

Basically, I had a therapist called Lillia. She was lovely. She was from Russia. We were together for a while. and um together no yeah together as a therapist as a partner yeah don't say it like that though yeah well it felt like that sometimes yeah yeah is this before or after your anal duch in norway just this is a couple years after probably after so post anal duch in norway it makes sense you've done that you've shut yourself in norway and you're honest to see someone right yeah um and then she was all weird

she was being weird with me on a on a therapy call I normally do it in person but this this time I had to do it on zoom and she started the call by wing that did you um did you notice that I was being a bit off with you last session. Like, did you notice that I was a bit drawn out and cold? I was like, no, no, not at all why. Did you not? Did you not? No, I was just trying to chat to her. And then she told me that...

Let me chat to you. I was trying to, you know, pull my heart out. And then she told me that throughout the session, I'd had my balls out. And she could just... And I was talking about how, like, self-aware, I'm too self-aware. And then I just got my nuts out.

And what, so you hadn't, you didn't know why you had to be on Zoom. Yeah. But she was like, well, I can't have that guy. She called a Zoom meeting and then. No, no, no. Yeah. No, you had the nuts out in Zoom or in real life. Yeah.

And then the next one is on Zoom. He's like, why is it on Zoom? He's like, well, because you had your balls out the entire time. Fuck. Wait, wait, wait. I felt fucking worth. What are you wearing? Just like really loose shorts.

And no pants. Well, just my dad's pants. Well, that's the sign going on there. I mean, Freud would have a fucking field day. I mean, you're wearing your dad's massive pants. The great thing about Charlie is... You can't fill your dad's pants, lad. What a great, great game for us to play, right,

is the lottery of when is Charlie wearing his own pants? Very rarely. Very rarely. He seems to operate on some kind of community pants share. Yeah. So were you wearing like fucking basketball shorts? Huge pants. I love, I like big pants, though.

Yeah. I prefer them. And what kind of stuff were you saying to her with your cock and balls out? I feel I just, I'm too, um, I don't know, I just feel like too self-aware. I don't really know what I'm doing. I feel like my mum doesn't really bad quite, like,

isn't really that proud of, like, some of the stuff that I'm working on. So this is you're fucking not. And then she didn't say anything for the whole session. I think she was just a bit shocked. She should have said something.

She said that afterwards it was partly just to warn me that if that happened in public, then it's like a, it's like a crime. So, was she, do you think for a second she thought you were doing it?

I don't think she thought on her like that. Had you? Well, then why is she talking so seriously about it? Because I got my balls out on her son. No, but you didn't get your balls like you accidentally had them. But they were out. Horatio.

But do you think she might have thought that you were trying to like get off to it. No, no, no, no. We don't know if he was referred to her through another mental health. No, I got done by my last one, Tim. Well, no wonder. Because I kept hugging. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. Too much physical contact, apparently. Really? I needed more standoffy, so I got like a Russian lady. This is genuinely what happened. Wait, wait. So you didn't leave that person? No, no.

They reassigned me. And what I want to know is who's they. I think this will unlock a lot about Charlie. Are you being referred as part of some other care? It's called help. They're called help. Right. And the lady's called Amanda and she just called me up and said,

we're going to switch over. Is the CIA getting involved at this point? I supported the move. Yeah. But I had to leave Lillia recently. We recovered from the ball thing. Did you? And you really don't think that she thought you were getting off to it.

I don't think that's how I would do that. Do you ever see her in person again? how you, how it comes across. I think, you're a fucking weird though. I get my whole knob out if I try it like that. You've just been switched from someone because you kept hugging him and then you're having a thing

and then you're talking about it and you're going about that. And you're wearing a dad's pants. No, it was only my balls. It wasn't my, like it would be the whole thing, I think. That's just like a kind of, I don't know, the part you might think this is a sick fuck

who kind of gets off with the fact that my cotton balls are out because it's already quite a horny thing to be terrified by a woman. I think my reaction made it made it clear that I was fucking mortified. It ruined my whole day. It ruined the whole day.

ruined the whole day. I've never seen you mortified. I was really upset. The thing is, balls falling out of shorts is just a hazard. And I'm sure Freud would say there's something,

sometimes for old men, it is a trip hazards. Themselves, imagine dying because you tripped over on your own balls. And you hit your head. Done. But I mean,

Freud would probably say, well, this is the great male, you know, cross the bear. If that happens when you're like in the right childhood stage, he would say,

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It's like early traumas completely defying your life, basically. So let's go back to the case of Anna O, who was a patient that got her Vaj out while she was talking to, no. Anna O, so she's like the ground zero of modern psychology from the patient perspective. So she's like a seminal patient. So Freud pioneers the talking cure to her. She describes her sessions as chimney sweeping. he's rooting around up there. She wasn't treated directly by Freud,

but she was crucial to his development because now her issue, what was her issue? What was her problem? She was hysterical, which again might mean that she was horny or she was sad or that. She was fucking mad.

And Freud just let her speak. And again, this is not an era where women are allowed to speak freely. Yeah, so the stuff they must be saying is mental because you've never really tried it out. Ford's like, fucking hell. If you don't say anything, you let them talk for three minutes.

They say the same thing over and over again. He's the first man to listen to a woman ever for more than three minutes. That is what Freud's historical figure comes from the fact that he was the first bloke to listen to a woman for more than five minutes. And then women are like, this guy's a genius. He listened to me.

This is your dad. This is my dad. This is my dad meeting baby's mom. Yeah. This is my dad meeting your girlfriend's mom and your mom was ready to leave her life to go and live with my dad because my dad is a Freudian.

guy. Yeah. So the core ideas of Freud is that all human behavior is motivated, but most of the motivations are unconscious. Right. So is he the first person to coin the ego, the super ego and the id? Yeah, that's his thing. That's like Freud one or one.

We still say that today. So the ego, that's all, I mean, that's what's the super ego and id take or leave it. That's frank and sense and mer. But ego, that gets used all the time. The id is the unconscious, sexual and aggressive, like, uh, can. caveman. Charlie's got a massive id, instinct. Ego is like the reality of like my...

Okay, no, no. Ego is the thing that's structured so you, right? And then super ego is like, what should I, what should I do? So super ego is like, I should do this because... Super ego is a standard that you're trying to hit like a, like a... Yeah. Moral reality that you're trying to... A moral standard that you're trying to reach.

Yeah. And then instinct is like the opposite of that. level and then you try and distinguish between the two. Yeah. So, but he coined this and he says that he paints like an iceberg where the id is completely submerged and

then a bit of the ego and a bit of the super ego are over the top. So you can see people's ego and the super ego, but they would not be aware of their id necessarily. But he also says that he defines childhood development in these phases. So he says

the first phase is the oral phase. Yeah. And this is zero to 18 months. Right. And this is that babies explore the world with their mouth. You always tune on a spoon, you know. Honking on a tip for the first year and a half of your mouth.

Yeah. A year and half of your life. So, and pleasure is through the mouth. Babies explore the world through their mouths. Right. Everything in their mouth. If you successfully pass the stage of weaning, if there's no trauma attached to you stopping breastfeeding,

then you will avoid having. a lifelong oral fixation. Right. So that would, an oral fixation could result in like obesity because you love eating food or like that kind of thing. So.

And Freud smokes. Or having a sarcastic personality, which is both of us, to be fair. Why is that oral fixation, the sarcastic? I don't know what, what Freud.

I mean, this is a lot of Freud is like, you take two. Yeah. Hmm. Okay then. It's not how sarcastic is. It's quite funny,

the idea of the sarcastic breast feeder. Yeah. adult man who still breastfeed, go, yeah, right. Mommy. That's a very... The sarcastic man who still sucks his thumb. Yeah, all right. In opposite, don't.

Mommy. Interesting tidbit about Freud, though, is he smoked 20 cigars a day and that's what killed him. Yeah, so obviously, he still wanted it. Yeah. No, I'm fine. Constantly trying to stimulate the mouth. So yeah, smoking, you know, I guess, I guess compulsive dick sucking. Yeah.

Or, yeah, if you're compulsive. Michael Douglas. Yeah, compulsive. Loves Catherine Diet Jones's poem so much, it gets mouth cancer. That's an oral fixation. There, but for the grace of God, go I. The next stage in childhood development is the- Charlie's stage.

This is Charlie never got out of this stage. It's the anal stage. Now, because when you're between one and three, the main thing, that you resolve in that stage as a child is potty training. It's the idea of getting Gapu out of your bum into a toilet. Obviously, the id, the desire, the raw desire, Freud says, is just to shit yourself and feel the relief of having the shit go everywhere. Yeah, he does it focus of pleasure shift, so he views it as like,

that's like a real pleasurable thing. Well, in a way it is. Yeah, I guess so. It's the relief. Just stop being weird, Freud. It's odd. Again, he's saying this in an earway where no one's, talks about anything.

How did you start like this? But how's this to start? He's Austrian. Yeah. This could only have happened in Austria in the early 20th century. That's what's amazing about Freud. What's kind of makes him

such a phenomenon historically is that you'd feel like you'd build and get weir and weir and end up with Freud. You wouldn't think that you'd start immediately saying like, yeah, you had two-year-old shit because they fucking love it.

They're fucking haughting themselves. And that's why you're fat. How's that where we start? You're fat because you didn't shit yourself enough as a kid. Sigmund. What the fuck, mate? We're trying to have tea at the cricket.

I mean, it's very funny to imagine him talking to anyone. In this era. In this point, they're all going to like the opera in Vienna. And he's like, you know what I thought it's about today? No, save it. Who's your mate? Yeah, can my mate come? He's a bit weird.

Yeah, when you meet your new friend's boyfriend. I'm going out for a cigarette. Oh, yeah, yes, because I bet you love your mum's tears, you sick fuck. And everyone's like, mate, Siggie. So the girl's trying to introduce her new boyfriend to the group. do you like it? Yeah, he's, yeah. No, he's nice.

You anal retentive. What happened? So the potty training, the anal stage of childhood development. Yeah. So the id wants to shit it. What stage of this podcast in? Are we in the... We'll get to that.

I believe we're in the genital stage of the podcast. Now, the anal stage, the id wants to just shit and feel the relief of shitting. The super ego knows that has a value. holds a marrow body of shit should go in toilets. That's my principles. Because otherwise society will collapse. I'm a man of principles. A man of honour.

Yeah. The ego is the reality of I've had an Indian last night and I'm nowhere near a toilet. I'm closer to a bush than I have a toilet. So my course of action is... But it's not ideal. It's reality. But the id doesn't give a fuck. The id is...

Pooh-poo now, please. Pooh-poo now, now. That's the voice of the id. It's also the voice that Charlie hears every day in his head. Now, Charlie doesn't have a super ego. No, he's an id and an ego. I want to poop now, so the ego says

poo now. Okay, then? I guess that's done. Completely resolved. Most people go, poopoo now, and then the other one, the brain goes,

well, poopoo wait for toilet. And then the ego goes, uh, okay, let's try and compromise from the two. Charlie,

poop on the floor. My girlfriend's in the other room, poop on the floor. We're in Norway, poop, poop, yeah. Right.

So this, the success, of whether you are toilet trained is, for example, if you're too harsh and on potty training, it could become an anal fixation where you're too concerned

with cleanliness and hygiene. So he would say that OCD can be nurtured out of a parent who is too harsh with potty training. Let them poo. Well, there's another

the flip side is that you're not harsh enough and you let your kid wear your own pants and then he's just having a being therapy with his balls out and he's shitting in Norway with his girlfriend. So, you know, there's two

sides to the coin. So in cycling or analytic thoughts or more in Freud's thought, the act of withholding and releasing feces is symbolically linked to holding onto or giving. Just holding on. So retention. So like the

sexual fetish of like holding onto shit. Then we get on to the phallic stage, which is when a child is between four and six, they start become aware that they have distinct sexual organs that are different from their opposite sex

and so they then this is when the Oedipus or Electro Complex starts to form which is where Oedipum. Not the Oedipum complex that's where so a boy would desire their mother sexually but through the terms of a

childhood like latent unconscious sexuality. Unconsciously is like yeah why is this old man fucking my bird when he's looking at his dad basically. You're looking at a four-year-old and in the head they're thinking

what the fuck this guy fucking my girl like you're a back off mate that's my fucking piece we've been together for four years his toddler

I've been sucking on her boobs yeah you're the fuck of you you think you are yeah no you can't buy her a drink fuck off why are you back down

this little toddler toddler he's the fuck you think you are right and then and then he sees the father's arrival

and he resolves the conflict by identifying with the father's traits and becoming more like the father. Wait, so is what he says is the way to not want to fuck your mum is you become like your dad, basically? No, it's a successful resolution of the Edipal Complex, right? You inevitably have to be your dad. No, it's that, yes, so it shapes your adult identity

and you model yourself of your dad, but you have no latent sexual desire for your mother. So if you throw out the idea of being your dad, Is that mean is an unresolved Edipal complex, basically? It means you're horny for your mum, yeah. Do you like impersonate your dad why, like to initiate

titi sucking? No, no, you're not trying to fuck your mum by impersonating your dad. It's unconscious. It's more, to be honest, it's more like symbolic. It's personality forming. Yeah. Yeah.

You're not trying to get, you're not, you're not a toddler. You're not like leaning on the kitchen counter saying, you're right, ma'am. Hello, missus. You're not a toddler wearing your dad's suit trying to suck your mum's. Oh, you're looking nice, that they?

The Electro Complex is just the inverse whereas women and men, but I think it's slightly more tenuous, that one. Then you get to the genital stage, which is the final stage, which is where it's like adolescence

and sexual desire should shift towards age-appropriate partners and it's about separating from your parents. Successful resolution leads to healthy adult relationships, basically. So at any of these stages,

trauma or unsuccessful resolution will lead to some kind of personality defect in his head. Right. Or maybe a condition. Right. He also has a thing called penis envy, which is his idea. All women, right? All women. Yeah.

Just women. Yeah. The idea that when girls realize they don't have a penis, so maybe like age three or four, they realize they are distinct and they hate it. They're green with envy. They live it. and they develop feelings of resentment, bitterness.

This is where the idea of patriarchy comes from. I want that. That looks more fun. Maybe it's just seeing us piss standing up. Yeah. And they interpret their body as like castrated. So it's like they feel less. And this shapes their desires and their identity.

Yeah. I guess. Again, this is the interval at the opera. It's like, yeah. Yeah. You want my penis, don't you?

You want it. You want it. You're jealous of my penis. You can't have. That is why you can't enjoy this show. It's because you're jealous of my penis. It's like, Sigmund, man. Just fucking chill out.

All these theories, I guess, is that he starts to become very, very popular in Vienna. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Weirdly, because, yeah, again, in no other city, no other country, people are like this guy. It's fucking amazing. What genius, this guy is. So he essentially starts his own psychology school. And we haven't placed this.

What year, so this is early 20th century, right? So what year would we say that? Freud starts his like school the documentary I watched there was like a series of

kind of time lapse photos where the school kept burgeoning and more and more psychologists came in and he was starting to train young neurologists

and it became an actual sort of science 1902 he forms the Wednesday psychological society and the group was renamed

the Vienna Psychoanalytic Society in 1908 so I know it's right towards the end of the episode But should we just place this? We've been edging our listeners.

They will be livid. 1908, that is... After the Titanic. No, it's not. Before the Titanic. Where's the Titanic? 1912. 1912.

It's just before the Titanic. And it's after... It's after icebergs. Yeah. After icebergs. Icebergs are around. When was the first iceberg? Millions of years ago.

Let's just try and... No, we need to check. Millions of years ago. Because it might have been the iceberg was just invented and the Titanic hit. Oh, that's why the Titanic was hit. I don't think there's an answer for that. Hang on. The iceberg that sank the Titanic is believed to have broken off from a glacier around 1909.

Okay. But the ice is approximately 100,000 years old. Brilliant. That places it. That places it perfectly. The ice that shattered the Titanic existed. The Titanic did not yet. Perfect.

Brilliant. Finally, they know where they are. So we need to talk about one of Freud students, Carl, Young. Now, Young is my favorite. I think the stuff he says is much more interesting. Well, Jung, he's a bit more of a... He's a bit more romantic, I feel. Yes, he was.

It's a bit more like German idealism, sort of. Freud was all about everything you want to do. You don't know you want to do it, and it's because you're horny. That's, to summarize. Young feels more inspiring to the human spirit, I feel, like Freud. Yes, totally. Freud's like, you love poo. You're jealous of my cart.

And it's just like weird. Like, he's wearing a suit. And he's got, like... Freud is a boy. Yeah, it's not even a bore, it's just creepy. He's a creak. Chill out. Yeah.

Then, Jung, there's just a bit more... Oh, I'm going to the shop. Do you want anything? Yeah, I bet you want some poo with that. Like, me. I don't think that goes to bore, though, is he? After a while, there's something else going on. After a while, you're like, oh, fuck.

You want some fucking poo with that, do you? You fucking freak. You fucking love it. Yeah. You're sick fuck. Freud is a sick fuck. Yeah. But, yeah, you're young, there's a...

there's a, there's a inherent drama to it. So Carl Jung is Swiss German. Probably the second most weird type of nationality after Austrian, Swiss German. Yeah. And he is sort of gets quite quickly, he's seen as Freud's intellectual air. He's,

he's, there's photos of him as a young man with like a shaved head next to sort of the older Freud. Freud refers to him as his crown prince. Young is born in 1875, but it comes up, moves to Vienna and, because he gets very interested in this,

this mad fucky, seeing the world through a poo prism. Through a prism of poo. And now their role starts to eventually disintegrate because they have these disagreements about the role of sexuality and the nature of the unconscious and the source of human motivation.

So Freud thinks everything's driven by repressed sexual and aggressive instincts. Jung thinks this is too narrow. Which is kind of fair enough. Which is fair enough. There's maybe something else going on. Yeah. And so Young felt Freud is turning psychoanalysis

into kind of a closed belief system. rather than a science. Jung is also open to, the way I've watched an interview with him, he describes that Jung, he's like, I'm open to new possibilities. Freud thinks that because I'm open,

or thinks that I'm open because I love poo, or because I just wants to suck my mum's tits. I'm like, can you stop? Can we talk about something else? It could be something up. I think you want to suck your mum's tits because you keep telling me

or that everything I do is because I didn't suck my mom's tits for long enough. And Freud's like, He went, all right, man. A friend of mine who was the receptionist at a sex dungeon in New York, one of the finance bros who came in there, the weirdest thing was that he paid to be dressed as a baby with a nappy. And he was sucking on the teat as if, and saying mama,

while filling his nappy with shit. I didn't know that bit. Yeah. So he was doing that at the same time. I mean, that's a quite rare example. And in that example, if everyone was like that, maybe Freud is right. No, but Freud thinks everyone is doing that and not telling you. Freud thinks that,

Freud thinks that the unique thing about that man is that he's honest. Right. Because what's clear about Freud is he's clearly doing all this stuff and saying, well, everyone's doing this. And everyone's like, no one's doing this. Sigmund, that's just you. No, no, no. We all want to suck our mom's sits and shit ourselves.

And that's human, that's the human condition, man. And everyone's like, I think that's the Sigmund condition. Man, don't you get inspired by the human? It's just a story about the human condition, really. Yeah. filling your nabur-a-navoo, just hung it in your mum's tips. It's a human story.

It's a human story. But how did he get anywhere with theories like this? Because he was Austrian, Charlie. But is there any proof for any of the poo? What do you mean proof? You can't prove any of this. He's the most important psychologists of all the time because he's actually thinking about these things

and it's a whole different way of framing. The big thing he does that we can say that he does is the idea of the unconscious. Even the idea of trauma, right? Totally. Repressed trauma. I mean, all of modern therapy, all of modern psych cancers, It starts with Freud, basically. But is there any proof for any of it?

What do we prove? Can you prove any of this? It's true. It's a framing of the world, really. The proof is in the pudding as our research. When she starts making poo jokes, we know we've gone too far. Proof is in the pudding? That's what the boob is.

There you have been there? Yeah, proofs in the pudding. Oh, is it? The poo ding, is it? Yeah. You want to, you need a poo. That's what you need. I bet you got dragged out of a lot of bars.

Proof is in a pudding! I told you! Yeah, no. So, now, it's the 1920s in Austria and Germany. Jung is starting to disagree with Freud that maybe everything he wants to do in life is because he needed a poo once. And also, another man with some, you know,

groundbreaking ideas is knocking about. This story will intertwine the three of them. Another difficult dinner party guess. Yep. Although, would you say in Austria in 1920s, would they balance each other out? Or is it just blend in with all the other dinner party guests? Imagine. Stuck in between the rock and a half.

I mean, the best dinner parties to go, the kind of shit that's being said. You got Freud there. We're all obsessed with pooing ourselves. It's the Jewish fight. You go, fucking hell. Can I change the seating plan for this wedding? I got Hitler there. And I got Freud there.

Fuck me. I'll take a finance pro any day the week over these guys. Wild. Yeah, there's the fruitiest dinner parties ever, 1920s Austria. But Freud and Jung and Hitler will all kind of dovetail beautifully in the next part of the story. I imagine Hitler doesn't like Freud? Hitler has a couple of issues with Freud. And it's because Hitler is a physiognomist.

Right. He's a phrenologist and he sees Freud. I mean, Freud's Jewish as well. It's got nothing to do with it. It's the size of his nose. Size of his nose, the jaw structure, and also what he's saying, but he's slightly more sympathetic to Jung,

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And I said, why? And you went, it's just too funny, isn't it? I went, okay. I don't think that's how she saw it. She clearly disagreed. She was like, that's so funny, we might need to break up. It turns out, the next sentence question I asked, solved everything.

She said African. Anyway, that's on the, we've got a whole Aladdin's cake. We have a whole unconscious. Yeah. of Patreon episodes and they are more unconscious. If this is the ego and the super ego, the Patreon is the it.

Totally. It's this podcast, pure instinct and shit's on the floor. We take the blazer off and Charlie's douching himself behind the camera. That's what's happening on the Patreon. There is the Nambler episode, the North American Man Boy Love Association.

There's a different phase of the patron. Just looking at drawings of child pornography. That was your idea to do that episode, I think. We've got so many. I mean, some of the recent ones we've done have been some of my favorite episodes. Caitlin Jenner. Really good. Great stuff.

And also the film club. I mean, Cartoon, Gordon. I love that episode. I was a bit disappointed about how, yeah, there wasn't enough blackface in Cartoon. I thought there could have been more. Yeah. There was like at least one person who didn't have a black face and I thought that was like, if you're going to do it all.

They missed that one. Yeah. You missed a spot. Anyway, that's on the pageant, as is the next episode in this series. But if not, we will see you on Thursday as we continue our deep dive into Young, the Nazis, Uremburg and beyond. Bye-bye, sexy more tea. Bye-bye.