Financial Feminist - 256. The #1 Money Mistake Couples Make (and How to Avoid It)! Tori's Episode of Here Comes the Drama with Christa Innis

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

When it comes to love, weddings, and money — things can get messy. In this special episode, we’re re-releasing a conversation I had on the Here Comes the Drama podcast with Christa Innis, to talk about one of the most common (and costly) mistakes couples make: avoiding real conversations about money. From wedding budgets and bachelorette party expectations to navigating debt, boundaries, and financial transparency, we’re unpacking all the drama around love and money. Whether you’re planning your big day, standing beside a friend, or just love a juicy “Am I the A**hole?” wedding story, this episode is full of hot takes, practical scripts, and no-shame advice to help you protect your wallet and your relationships. Plus, we’ll talk about how to plan a wedding you can actually afford. Resources & Links: Grab your free bridal party script guide: herfirst100k.com/bride Here Comes the Drama podcast: https://www.christainnis.com/podcast Read transcripts, learn more about our guests and sponsors, and get more resources at https://herfirst100k.com/financial-feminist-show-notes/couples-money-mistakes/ Save your seat inside Business Bootcamp! Your COMPLETE roadmap to go from idea to income: ⁠herfirst100k.com/business-bootcamp  Looking for accountability, live coaching, and deeper financial education? Check out our exclusive community! Join the $100K Club: https://herfirst100k.com/100k-pod   Our favorite travel and cash-back credit cards, plus other financial resources: https://herfirst100k.com/tools Not sure where to start on your financial journey? Take our FREE money personality quiz! https://herfirst100k.com/quiz Special thanks to our sponsors: Squarespace Go to www.squarespace.com/FFPOD to save 10% off your first website or domain purchase. Indeed Get a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility at Indeed.com/FFPOD. Rocket Money Stop wasting money on things you don’t use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney.com/FFPOD. Quince For your next trip, treat yourself to the luxe upgrades you deserve from Quince. Go to Quince.com/FFPOD for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Netsuite If your revenues are at least in the seven figures, download the free e-book Navigating Global Trade: 3 Insights for Leaders at NetSuite.com/FFPOD. Masterclass Our listeners always get great discounts on MasterClass, of at least 15% off any annual membership at Masterclass.com/FFPOD. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Financial Feminist. I am Tori. I'm a multi-millionaire, a money expert, and I have helped over 5 million women be better with money. And today we're doing something a little different. We are re-releasing a conversation I had on the Here Comes the Drama podcast, hosted by Krista Innes, the creator behind party planning with Krista. Here Comes the Drama, is your front-row seat to the most outrageous, unforgettable, and laugh-out-loud moments from real-life weddings and events. From bridesmaid betrayals to mother-in-law meltdowns, Krista tackles it all with humor, empathy, and practical advice. In this episode, we're diving into the weddings, relationships, and of course, the money conversations that come with them.

This is a highly requested topic on this show, is the cost of weddings, the cost of being in weddings if you're not the one getting married. So we're talking from wedding budgets to financial transparency with your partner. And of course, I'm sharing my signature, no shame, practical advice, plus some hot takes on wedding culture that you're not going to want to miss. The story at the end, we did a, am I the asshole at the end? And oh, buddy, they were the asshole. So whether you're planning your own wedding, standing beside a friend and did someone else's, or just love a good spicy money conversation. This one's for you.

We also created a free bridal party script that includes a deeper dive into some of the topics we're getting into today, and it helps you manage your money expectations as a bride or bridesmaid. So it includes a transparent script from the bride to your bridesmaids about costs and expectations. It also includes exactly what to tell the bride when you can't afford to be a bridesmaid or can't afford part of being a bridesmaid, and as a bridesmaid, what to tell the bride when the budget needs to be revisited.

These conversations are so important because I don't want you to feel bitterness towards your friends. I want your wedding day or your friend's wedding day to be nothing but sunshine and rainbows and butterflies. And when money is involved and when expectations are involved, especially around bridal parties, around the cost of the dress or the shoes or the makeup or the bachelorette party, I want everybody going in with eyes wide open. So you can get this free guide at herfirsthundredk.com slash bride. That's her first hundredk.com slash bride. Make sure you download it. It's going to be super useful. All right, let's get into the episode. But first, a word from our sponsors.

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had been completely mixed up. Even worse, what we originally were told was not correct. It was a total mess. Fast forward to our wedding weekend. Oh my gosh, I can't believe like nothing was speaking. out before the wedding weekend. Okay, we were hit with a surprise charge from the venue that had

never been disclosed and we were not financially prepared. We ended up maxing out our credit cards just to finish paying off the wedding. Oh, no! Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I'm your host, Krista Innes, and today's episode is packed with real talk and wild stories. We are tackling one of the biggest topics when it comes to weddings and relationships, finances. And please excuse me, Paula geek out for a second because I'm joined by the incredible Tori Dunlap, founder of her first 100K, best-selling author of Financial Feminist, and host of the number one financial podcast for women. She's a go-to voice for making smart money moves and building real wealth. Today, Tori's dropping financial advice for every couple, taking on

rapid-fire questions, sharing her unfiltered hot takes for wedding budgets, and helping me react to a wild wedding story you won't believe. So without further ado, let's just get in. to it. Hi, Tori. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. I am so excited to talk to you. Like I said, I've been a huge fan of you for years. I think I found you in 2020 and your advice for women on finances like seriously changed my life. I'm not going to get emotional geek out, but you just do so much for women. Thank you for being here. And can you just introduce yourself? Thank you for all those kind words, it's very sweet. That's the mission of our work is to fight for women's financial rights. So I started her first 100K as a side hustle in 2016. I was working in 9 to 5 in marketing,

and then Donald Trump got elected. And I was 22. I had just graduated college and I thought I was coming into adulthood and into womanhood in a very different country than what ended up happening. And I wanted to do something about it. And that election really radicalized me. And I started having conversations with my woman friends, my girlfriends, they were coming to me and asking me questions about money about how to pay off debt and how to save and how to invest in a Roth IRA. And I was lucky enough to have a really great financial education for my parents. And I thought, well, maybe this is it. And as I grew in my own career and started realizing that there were certain situations that I could not get out of because I didn't have the money,

I couldn't leave that toxic job. I couldn't move out of a certain situation because I didn't have the money. It was like, oh, this is the answer to a lot of what we, we struggle with as a member of any minority group. When you have money, you have options. You have the ability to leave a toxic situation. You have the ability to donate to causes you believe in or to travel or to go to therapy. And you just show up as the best, baddest version of yourself when you are financially stable. And I started experiencing that in my own life. And I was like, this is the feeling I want for every single woman on the planet. So I started her first 100K. It is now a multi-seven figure business. We have helped over five million women,

save money, pay off debt, start investing. Our podcast Financial Feminist is the number one money podcast for women in the world. And I wrote a New York Times bestseller also called Financial Feminist. And this is my favorite thing to do is fight for women's financial rights. I love it. And I thought you were the perfect person to have on this show because as we talk about weddings and events and going to that next chapter, you know, if that's the next step, money is talked about so much when it comes into relationships, whether it's moving in

together, getting married, getting engaged, it can be a problem. If it's done the right way, it can help a relationship, right? And so I feel like you're the perfect person to have on because in a lot of these stories that people send to me, they're like, well, we don't know how to have a budget for the wedding. We don't know how to say no to people offering to pay and then dangling a string above us because they want control of the wedding. And so I feel like money plays a huge part in this kind of next chapter that people kind of have. Yeah, absolutely. And it's interestingly you said that people are interested in having financial conversations because I love that. It's usually not the case. We actually know that,

unfortunately, the vast majority of people get married without having serious conversations about money. And it ends up being the number one reason or the number one cause of separation in relationships is financial problems, is lack of transparency. So these conversations about money, hopefully start when you're dating and then continue to when you get more serious and then when you move in together and then when you start talking about being married. And then, of course, the costs of the wedding. It's typically a pretty substantial cost for people. And so I hope that everybody listening views money and financial wellness as wellness with the rest of their lives, right? We talk about mental wellness a lot in our society now. Mental health, we talk about, of course,

our physical health, our emotional health, but our financial health, I would argue, is absolutely paramount to all of the rest of those, right? We can't go to the gym unless we have money to pay for the gym membership. We can't go to therapy unless we have money, and especially in a healthy relationship, and especially before you enter into this new season of your life, it's about to get really expensive. So you need to be having conversations with your partner and decide what do I want my wedding? What do I want my marriage to look like? Yeah, I know you make a really good point about so many couples do not talk about money until they get to the wedding part or they're already married and they're like, oh shit, like my partner has debt or this is going on and we've

never talked about it or how do we get through this together? And that's one thing I can straight up to say like you helped me and my partner who I'm now married to. But at the time, it's like we were living together, but it was like, how do we figure out bills? You know, we're kind of going through all these weird stages together. And so I think it's so important that we talk about it now in these stages, you know, anyone listening that's like currently engaged or with a partner moving in, it's so important to have those difficult conversations. And that's one thing you help me with, too, is because it's like, it's awkward to talk about. Especially when you grow up being like, don't talk about money. It's taboo. And you need to have those taboo conversations.

Yeah. I mean, it's very similar to sex. And we're actually more likely to talk about any other uncomfortable topic before we'll talk about money. So we'll talk about sex, death, politics, and we will have any uncomfortable topic to spare us from having a conversation about money. But I hope you're talking about your sex life with your partner. I hope you talk about what you like and what you want and what your desires are and how you enjoy pleasure, right? That's a huge part of a romantic relationship. Is your sexual health and your sexual life with this other person?

Money's no different. It's a little awkward to talk about. It's a little scary. there's a lot of emotional baggage and typically trauma that you bring into that conversation but we need to talk about it and especially with our life partner.

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so getting into it, I reached out to my audience to kind of ask about some general questions when it comes to weddings and budgeting. Starting off, this is a big one and I've seen some horror stories where people send them to me after

about putting things on a credit card for a wedding. Oh, yeah. And financing. And I even, which I felt terrible for this girl, she reached out to me, this is a while back, about she was a maid of honor, didn't understand the responsibilities. There was not really a communication. And she ended up paying for every, like, Bachelorette party all on her credit card because she felt like she needed to be a good friend.

So is financing a wedding with a credit card a good or bad idea? And what are your thoughts on that? Yeah. Let's talk about those two situations. So one, if you are the person getting married, how should I pay for it? But then I have a lot of pot takes, too, about the. the bachelor-bachelorette parties, because that is getting more and more expensive. Okay, so the first one, I do not want you going through what is hopefully one of the most

beautiful, enjoyable days or experiences of your life thinking, how am I going to afford this? This is the same thing when people put vacations on credit cards. Nothing tastes worse than a pinia collata on the beach when you're trying to relax with a side of guilt and with a side of like, I'm going to get home and the consequences will be there, right? I don't want anything souring this day. A lot of people go into debt, especially costly debt like credit cards, because they're like, this is a once in a lifetime experience. So Yolo, it doesn't matter. And if you don't are familiar with my work, I am not the financial expert that shames you for spending money. I am not the financial expert that shames you for being in debt. So I want to level

set that. However, again, I don't want this beautiful thing being potentially tarnished when you realize that you're going to be paying it off for the next six months, two years, five years, 10 years. And especially with credit card debt, that is the most costly kind of debt. You are in debt at least 15 percent on average 22 percent interest for context. The average student loan right now is about five to six percent. So you're taking out five-ish times the amount of a student loan to be able to take on what you're deciding to put on this credit card. And in addition, what a lot of people don't understand about credit cards is that the interest compounds. So that means that the interest earns interest. Not all loans work this way. Mortgages typically don't work this way, but credit

cards do. So the interest, every day you're in debt, it's earning new interest. And also that interest doesn't compound once a month. It compounds every day. So this is why credit card debt in particular can be so damaging. It affects our credit score for potentially years. It affects just your ability to take on, you know, and get a loan for something like a house in the future. And it also is just really, really expensive. So please don't finance your wedding. And like, that shouldn't be a hot take. I think anybody who is in the financial space is going to give you the same advice. Now, there are ways that you can think about the wedding of your dreams that don't involve credit cards and we can talk more about that. The second thing, let's talk about the

bachelor, bachelorette commitments. I have been in one bachelorette party and luckily it was not the kind of situation where it was like a week long bachelorette in Cabo with the yachts and the bottle service. I think transparency is going to be the recurring theme of this episode, which is you need to be transparent with your partner if you're getting married and you need to be transparent with your bridal party. So what that looks like, I was actually just talking to somebody the other day that they got a form with like, hey, what's your budget? I'm getting married. They sent it to their bridesmaids. What is your budget for these items? What is your budget for a dress? What is your budget for the bachelorette party? And then based on that created the whole bachelorette experience.

So I think it's really important for the person getting married to lead that conversation. Now, if you are not the person getting married and you are dealing with the, oh, my gosh, these costs keep adding up and I don't want to be a bad friend, it's something I hear a lot as well. Okay, I'm going to get a little spicy. I love it. If someone in your life is demanding you go into debt to prove that you're a good friend, they're not a good friend. Yep. Like, they're just not.

And if the bride is not sending out forms, having open conversations with you about how much things will cost, what you need to do is unfortunately take on the burden of that conversation, which is going to them and doing what I love is a gratitude sandwich of feedback. Okay. So you're going to go, oh, thank you for asking me to be a bridesmaid. I am so honored that you would think of me. Our friendship means so much to me. Nice piece of bread, gratitude. Meat is the part where you have to talk about what's. going on in your brain and your body and your life. So then you're going, I either, finances are

really tight right now and I really can't afford to be in the bridal party, but I would love to support you, second piece of bread, in any other aspect of the wedding. And I'm so excited, I will be there with Bells-on to support you and your partner. If you know you want to be a bridesmaid and maybe the conversations are happening where it's like, oh my gosh, yeah, we are going to go to Europe and you're like, I can't afford Europe. Then you go again, so excited, so happy. I am not in the financial position to be able to afford this and then give them options you can say hey can we go somewhere else instead if you're committed to going to europe i'm going to sit this one out or i am going to come to half of the trip because i can't afford the whole thing i'm going to come to half and then i

i'm going to have to jet right and so these conversations just need to be happening i know it feels awkward but i can tell you from the thousands of emails i have gotten and i imagine you feel the same way that the awkwardness is so much worse when the resentment kicks in. When you're going, oh, my God, okay, this has costed me $3,500, and I don't have $3,500. And it's very hard to be authentically celebratory for this person when you're harboring resentment. I don't know how you feel about this. A hundred percent. I get stories all the time where people then, after the fact, they feel like, oh, I spent all this money.

and we kind of dwindled away after the wedding. Or they just have all these feelings kind of built up. It goes back to feeling like they have to say yes to everything. And I get it. And I felt really glad that like when it came time for my wedding, I had two bridesmaids that were like, hey, I'm not going to do the bachelor party. And I was like, that's great.

I want absolutely no pressure for you guys. I even told me I made of honor. It's okay. Like these are optional. I mean, I had been plenty of weddings over the years and I saw how things can add up and it takes away, especially if you have kids or a partner at home, you don't want to take off work sometimes.

And I get it, I get it. And I think especially with a maid of honor, you need to be having conversations about what the expectations are. Because some weddings, it's just, yeah, it's basically like fancy title, but I don't expect anything of you. And for some, it's like you are a project manager full time. So you need to have a conversation.

And also, what inevitably happens is that a lot of people get into the excitement of the wedding, right? We've all seen Father of the Bride. It's like, you get in the excitement of the wedding and the wedding keeps getting crazier. So if you are the maid of honor and you committed to something that is now changed, it's time to have another conversation of just, again, I'm so excited for you. All this seems so incredible.

I want you to have the wedding that you want. However, I'm at capacity here. I can't do all of the things you're asking me to do. And I'd rather come to you and talk to you about it than feel secretly harboring, again, resentment or feelings because I want this to be a positive experience. So those are the kind of conversations you have to have that, again, might feel uncomfortable. But ultimately, I want everybody to be able to enjoy this experience, be able to enjoy this day, and the resentment, the guilt, the shame is not going to lead to an enjoyable experience.

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That tells you a lot. That tells you a lot. And what you can do is if you're in the bridal party, and I would recommend this for brides as well, is you do need to sit down and be like, okay, head to toe what is every single cost going to be. Now, Bachelorette party, the obvious costs are a flight if you're getting on a flight, lodging, restaurants, experiences, but it's also like Uber's to and from the airport. It's also the matching Bachelorette T-shirts. It's the drinks at the bar. And then a lot of people are taking the bridal party as paying for the bride's experience.

Is that part of the expectation? If so, how is that being split? Is it just the maid of honor? Is it split? You know, if there's five bridesmaids, is it split five ways? Those are the conversations you want to have because, again,

you don't want to be in the moment when you've had a couple margaritas and you're feeling good and then you start making a plan. Like, you're inebriated. It's not an authentic plan. And again, nothing tastes worse than a pinia collado with a side of guilt.

That applies to everything here. Nothing tastes worse than a beautiful wedding with the side of credit card debt. Nothing tastes worse than having a great experience in the moment and then waking up and going, I had to put all that on my credit card last night because I can't afford it. So again, you have to have conversations, but you also need to make a financial plan when everything's fine, when nothing is crazy, when you haven't planned anything yet. So you have the foundation that you need to stick to when there's temptation to veer away from the plan. Yes.

Oh my gosh, that's such good advice. So, I mean, I feel like that kind of covers when we're talking about, you know, managing your expectations. So going into more of like the wedding, I know we're talking about, so don't put it on a credit card. Yeah. What would you say to someone that's like, how do I budget for this wedding? How do I kind of plan for this? And I would tell people, too, I'm like, let go of expectations of others because I think a lot of times people want this big, huge wedding with 500 people for other people. They don't think about what do my partner and I actually want what's true to us.

Yeah. I think you make a great point where that's what you need to start with is sitting down and having a conversation with your partner. What wedding do we want to have? And it's not what wedding does Aunt Marge want us to have. What wedding does my mom want us to have? It's what wedding do we want to have? Because ultimately, again, it is your day. And I know there's a lot of familial pressure. I know that there's a lot of people, a lot of cooks in that kitchen. But ultimately, this wedding is about a marriage. The wedding is one day, or for the crazy people, you know, a week, two weeks, right? But the wedding is the beginning of a marriage. You are in partnership with this other person. You are not in partnership with your mom or your mother-in-law. You're not in a marriage with your mother-in-law. You're not in a marriage, even with your maid of honor best friend.

You are in a partnership and a marriage with your life partner. You need to make decisions and start acting like you're in a marriage when you get married. The wedding is just a day. The marriage is a lifetime. So you need to decide what you actually want with your partner. Now, again, easier said than done when there's a lot of voices. However, I think getting on the same page without any of that pressure first, and maybe it's journaling separately. Like, what do I actually want?

And again, not what have I seen in movies that tells me what I should want? What have I seen other people do that gives me a little bit of envy or jealousy? Like, what do you actually want? Then you need to ask yourself, can I afford what I actually want? Now, sometimes the answer will be, yeah, we can do that. And sometimes the answer will be, no, we'd have to go into a lot of debt to do this. So we have to find a happy medium there. Because a lot of times, I want a Ferrari.

I want a seven-month stay at the four seasons, but that is not in my budget, right? So there's a lot of things that we can want, but that we can't afford. And again, I cannot emphasize this enough. It is very easy to get in the yellow state of mind of like, hopefully we only get married once. So like, we're going to go crazy. I do not want this day to be haunting you four years because you could not afford it. Right. So what do I want journal about that?

Think about that. come to your partner. What do we want together? And then what can we actually afford? So the best thing to keep in mind is that obviously weddings are going to be very expensive, but you need to determine in the wedding what is really important to you about this. Is it I want this particular dress and I'm willing to compromise on other things in order to have that. Great. I was actually just thinking about this the other day. My partner and I have been together for three years. I don't think we're getting married anytime soon. But I don't know why I just thought about this. I'm like, what would be important at my wedding? And food is huge for me. And now I've turned my partner

into a foodie as well. So I was literally thinking, I was like, when we get married, I think it will probably, like, the food is going to be the priority because I want every guest at the wedding to eat really well. And I want to have like a memorable meal. So, okay, I would be willing to compromise on other things. Maybe that's less crazy flowers or I do my flowers myself. And I want good food, so I'm willing to compromise for that. My friend Paula Pant, who's another financial expert, says you can afford almost anything, you just can't afford everything. Love that. And this is all of life, right? Is it's like, okay, I really want to go see Taylor Swift. And Eritort tickets are really expensive. So I am willing to not drink as much coffee or I'm willing

to not buy every piece of clothing I want to buy because I would rather do this other thing. So that's what you need to ask yourself. It's not deprivation. It's actually strategic. It's, I really want this thing. So I'm going to compromise on this other thing so I can have this thing. So that becomes then the next conversation of what can we afford? And then where do we want to really spend our money? And then you can kind of determine what the budget should be.

And also what you know, yeah, I don't want to compromise on that. But I'm willing to compromise on this so I can have that. Yeah, I love that. And that really ties into one of the biggest lessons I always see you talk about. And that's like not shaming. people for the coffee, you know, buying your $4 coffee, whatever it is. If it's something that you enjoy and it's going to bring you happiness on that day, then do it. And if that's something that's in your budget, but if you're just doing like a really fancy ballroom because your parents

got married there and they are really pushing you, maybe let's say goodbye to that and do like a smaller venue. So that's such a great point because I think we get caught up in what everyone else wants. Yeah, or it's, okay, we need to invite your uncle and aunt that you haven't spoken to and 10 years, just because they're family. And it's like, no, no, it's your wedding. You get to do whatever the hell you want to do. And I think that once you start setting those boundaries too with family, boundaries always feel like aggression for people who have never experienced a boundary.

So it can just be like, no, this is our wedding. We're going to do this. No, but this is our wedding. We're going to do this. And I would love to see you, but if this makes you uncomfortable, we'll see you, just see you at the reception. Or we'll see you for dinner after. Like, if they want to un-invite themselves from their behavior, great.

That's in their control. I think I'm better at boundaries set than the average person. But, like, that is the level of boundaries you need to have on a wedding day because families are insane. And, like, you need to 100% know what you and your partner want. Make sure you two are on the same team. You're on the same page. And you're staying committed to what you actually want.

Yes. I always say, like, if I would have gotten married to my now husband when we first started dating. It would have been so different because I think I would have been so much more easily like persuaded. And because we were together like almost six years before we got engaged or before we got married. And so I was early 20s. I feel like so much more easily like, yeah, I should do that. Okay. But also our budget would have been way smaller. So it's like what I've gone into debt. Who knows? And so I feel like now like by the time we did get married, it was like, we saw all our friends do it. We saw what things we liked and we didn't like. And then we were

so much better at being like, this is what we want. We're not going to have a huge wedding. we're going to have, you know, a standard amount. If I haven't talked to you in over a year, you're not getting invited. That's just how it was. Yeah. And at the end of the day, like, if we're just looking at the legality of it, you and this person are signing a financial and legal contract. The wedding is something that from a cultural and societal point, we have now put on this.

And again, especially if you're like a person of color, there's certain traditions, right? There's certain cultural experiences. But at the end of the day, like, you and this person are signing a legal contract. Everything on top can be whatever the hell you want it to be. We've just, in society, had a very specific version of what a wedding is. Even white dress. So many people now are wearing red dresses. They're wearing pantsuits.

They're not wearing dresses at all, right? So there's so many ways that you can make this an authentic celebration of your love an excitement with this person, and it can be whatever you want it to be. It can just be, we're getting married at a courthouse and we're going and renting out the back room at a restaurant for the 20 people we want there. That's a wedding. It doesn't have to be a big hoopla if you don't want it to be. Yeah, I love that. Okay, I thought we would jump into a little wedding money rapid fire just to kind of get things going. And then I've got a story that someone sent me and we'll kind of react to that. So here we go. Okay.

All right, I think I know what you're going to say about this first one. Okay, set the guest list or set the budget. Yeah, I think we have to go budget first. But I think it can be a, you can do them at the same time of like, okay, I'm going to have a general budget and then I'm going to have the guest list. And there's going to probably be some people that don't make the cut. And it's your wedding. Yes, yep. We always got to keep saying that cash fund or traditional gift registry.

Oh, you've given me the perfect opportunity to talk about something. that I've been meaning to talk about forever. Oh my gosh. I love it. Sorry, this is no longer rapid fire, but give me a second. It's okay. I love it. So, okay, so you know how in, let's call it the 50s, 50s, right? And I'm going to use the heteronormative relationship here. When a man was marrying a woman, especially in, let's call it, everything before the 1970s, it was typically happening either at 18 and the woman was not attending university

or it was happening basically the moment they graduated or even, you know, the semester before they graduated. People were getting married extremely young. So especially women would literally go from their parents' house to their husband's house. That was it, right? So you'd go and you'd live your 18 years with your family and then you'd get married or you'd go to college and then you'd get married. So you did not have a life that was not living with somebody else. You did not have a life and stuff that you would accumulate. You typically did not live alone, right? This is my nana. My nana got married, I think, at 19 and had three kids by like 25. And I think about that now and I'm like, oh, my God. So we live in a society now where people are getting married a lot later.

Women have a lot more. Now, the rights are dwindling every day, but a lot more rights, right? Women are getting more college degrees than men are. So in our society, everything's changed. For me, right, I left my parents' house at 18. I went to college until I was 22. I got my bachelor's degree and I have lived on my own. I still live on my own. I don't live with my partner. I'm 30 years old. And so I have eight years where I have bought my own blender and bought my own couch and bought my own desk and bought my own silverware. So I think it's changing. But there was this idea, especially like 10 years ago of it's like tacky to ask for cash. Like I just want to buy you a toaster. And I'm like, okay. So now though, in a typical relationship, when I

get married to my partner, my partner has a toaster and I have a toaster, right? And maybe we've moved in together and consolidated to one toaster. But we've already had a life where we have purchased a lot of the things that would typically go on a registry. Now, weddings are perfect opportunity to ask for the things that you maybe couldn't afford. Like, okay, I'm going to get the really nice flatwear. I'm going to get the really nice pots and pants with a really nice knife. But this whole narrative around, oh, it's tacky to just ask for money. I'm like, it's actually not because the way that weddings happens at a societal level is so different. They happen later in life. Women have an increased education. People are getting married in a different way. They've

typically already moved in together. And so I love a cash fund. That is my long-winded way of saying this. And it's, I think it's so unfair when people are like, why are they asking for cash? That's tacky. No, the way we view weddings has fundamentally changed. I already have a blender. My partner already has a blender. You don't need to buy me a blender as a wedding gift. That is the third blender that I don't need. I've already established my independent life. Yes. Two things that I always see about cash mends. Anytime I post about it, I either, I should say showers or registries, right? People, one, can't understand when a bride and a traditional heteronormative relationship would want their groom there, would want a guy there. Like, why are guys there? That's one question I always see.

And the other one I always see is, I'm not paying for a honeymoon. I'm not paying for a honeymoon. I'm not paying for this. And I go, what? If you give money at a wedding, you don't have control over what they use it for. They can use it for their lunch tomorrow. They could use it for bed sheets or they could use it for a pinacolada on the beach. Why does that matter? Well, and let's be honest, if you buy me a blender and I already have a blender, I am going to the store, returning the blender and getting the money. Getting the cash. So just giving the money. But it's also like, we have all of these sites. I think Zola is one of them, right? That'll say, okay, you can buy the couple dinner on their honeymoon. And like, I love that because it feels like ultimately it's just money, right? But it feels a little bit more like,

okay, I am buying this person something. I'm buying them an experience on their honeymoon. I am helping them contribute to their down payment on a house fund. So that's a nice kind of happy medium of I'm gifting them this experience. Does it go into a big cash fund? Yeah, it does. But I am buying them this experience that they can now do on their honeymoon or after getting married. So I think that, yeah, I just hate the whole like cash is tacky. I'm like, No, it's not. The entire concept of marriage is so different than it was 50 years ago. Everything's different. So, yeah, I just, I hate that whole narrative. Yes. Oh, my gosh. I love that. Okay. All right, back to the rapid fire. Okay.

Yeah, sorry. No, you're good. No, I love it. I love the discourse. Splurge on honeymoon or save it for a house. I think it's up to you. It's up to the couple. If buying home is really important, great. Again, it's a tradeoff, right? I really want a house. So I'm okay doing a less crazy honeymoon. Nope. I really want to try. I want to have a once-in-a-lifetime travel experience. I don't, I'm not interested in buying a house, or that doesn't make sense for us, or I'd rather rent.

Okay, great. Crazy honeymoon, it is. Yeah, love it. Bigger emergency fund before the wedding or after? I mean, if you can do it before, do it before, but this is, again, where we hopefully are saving a separate wedding fund from our emergency fund. Your emergency fund is truly for emergencies.

It is for when shit hits the fan. If you're familiar with my work, you know, it's the number one thing I counsel people to do. It's the first financial goal you should be saving for. But that is separate. That's going to be separate from the amount of money you're spending on the wedding. Mm-hmm. All right.

I got two more. Pay off debt first or save for the wedding? Depends on the kind of debt. If you're in credit card debt, that is really expensive. And we want to get that paid off before we prioritize saving more aggressively. However, my answer for a lot of things is like, why not both? If you can do both at the same time, especially if the wedding's getting close, I don't want you just so focused on paying off your debt that you suddenly have a $50,000

wedding that you will have to go back into debt for. So if we can do both, do both. Okay. All right. And last one. Split the wedding costs 50-50 or based on income. Oh, I love this one. I think most things, if not all things in a relationship, should be split based on your income.

I have been very vocal about this. I'm a multi-millionaire. I make a lot more money than my partner. My partner makes about $65,000 a year. So we are in very different tax brackets. And everything from a big deal from getting married to just splitting the cost of a trip, we have a conversation and it is, it's never 50-50 because that's not equitable. I'm not looking for equal.

I'm looking for equitable. So I make a lot more than he does. It is my responsibility to spend more than he does, right? It does not make sense to like split our rent 50-50. So maybe it's 70-30, 80, 20, you guys get to figure. that out, but nobody is walking into a marriage with the exact same financial situation as somebody else, the exact same amount of debt, the exact same salary with benefits, the exact same earning potential even. So that is something definitely that you should chat about with your

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read a story. We'll kind of stop and react to it and we'll just go with the flow. Okay, this says we were so excited to have finally chosen our wedding venue and secured our date. Planning could officially begin. We were assigned a venue coordinator and scheduled a meeting with her to go over all the details. The meeting went great. We left feeling confident. But the very next day, we received an email saying our coordinator had accepted a a new job, and we'd be assigned a new one. Here we go. Oh, gosh.

We were told not to worry. All the information from our meeting, the venue layout choices, ceremony, and reception were all shared with her. They would be passed along to this new coordinator. A few weeks later, we received an introduction email from our newly assigned coordinator. She encouraged us to reach out with any questions and scheduled our final meeting with her before the wedding. Naturally, we had several questions, so I emailed her and waited.

Weeks went by without a response. I sent a follow-up message, still nothing. I tried calling, no answer. Eventually, I contacted the head coordinator at the venue who informed me that our coordinator was on leave just weeks before our wedding, and we would be assigned another new coordinator. Gosh.

Okay. When we finally met the third coordinator, we discovered that the information from our original meeting had been completely mixed up. Even worse, what we originally were told was not correct. It was a total mess. Fast forward to our wedding weekend. Oh my gosh, I can't believe.

like nothing was figured out before the wedding weekend. Okay, we were hit with a surprise charge from the venue that had never been disclosed and we were not financially prepared. We ended up maxing out our credit cards just to finish paying off the wedding. Oh, no. This is a nightmare situation. Okay. If you guys are just listening, can't see the video. Tori just, oh, I'm having a full meltdown. Oh, gosh. Gosh, here we go. Okay, so they ended up maxing out credit cards just to finish paying off the wedding because we were told the event couldn't proceed until it was fully paid. That's like unheard of. Why would they just all of a sudden say that to them? They didn't offer

any payment plans either. That seems very odd. One of the wildest moments was when we were told after paying for a ceiling treatment, wait, what? That we would also need to pay an additional fee to have it installed? Are they building a new building for them? That is insane. I mean, a ceiling treatment being like, you know, tool or ribbon hung from the ceiling. That's what in my head, ceiling treatment. Maybe. No? Yeah, you know, you might be right. I think that's it. I'm like, building out a whole thing. At first I'm, oh, see, yeah, and at first I was like, are they taking, like, the popcorn off the ceiling or some shit? Like, yeah, like, what? That is insane. So then there's the question, what to do? So they're not only paying for this item. They're

paying for it to be installed, which you would think that would be included in that price. We told them to remove it from the invoice because we simply couldn't afford to pay for something we thought we had already bought because it was supposed to be included. At the reception, the coordinator who was supposed to be there never showed up. Oh, my gosh. I would be literally. This is terrible. The venue staff were rude to my family during setup.

I had planned for lawn games during cocktail hour, but when my mom started setting them up, one of the staff members said, why are you setting those up? Don't do that. No one will play them. My poor mom decided it wasn't worth the fight and just didn't set them up, which upset me. The bartenders were rude to the guests and didn't even have enough of what we ordered for our specialty cocktails. The venue only set six chairs at each table instead of eight. Was this their first venue or first wedding? Like, it seems like they don't know what to do. As shown on our seating chart, so guests left without places to sit. People were literally carrying chairs from table to table to sit with their group.

Finally, it was time to cut the cake. The cake cutting set by the venue was supposed to provide and was then nowhere to be found. Oh, their cake cutting set. Someone had to run and grab a random knife so they could cut our cake. Despite all the chaos, we absolutely loved our wedding. But wow, it was definitely a wild ride. I love when they're so positive at the end. I'm like, no, I was hoping.

I was like, please tell me you at least had a good time. Jesus. Oh, like what you do in that situation? I got it. I'm going to fix this person's entire life. Love it. Okay, here we go. First thing is gather every single piece of documentation you have about everything that went wrong. So everything of like those emails that you never got a response to the document. Okay, there was no cake cutting. There was not enough chairs. There was an additional

fee even though like hopefully you have notes from the original call. Yeah. And hopefully you have a date on those notes. So we're going to go, yeah, I'm going full like detective FBI here. Okay. So you need full documentation of everything. So that's the first thing. So gather all of that documentation. The second thing you're going to do is you are going to go to the venue and you're going to ask them to make it right. This is their first opportunity, okay, is you're going to Gratitude Sandwich again.

Thank you for doing, you know, find some nice things that they did about. Thank you for taking care of us. I wouldn't say even taking care of us because they didn't. Thank you for hosting our special day. We appreciated you did this and this and this. And you're then going to go a full block of an email. This was not right. This was the expectation set.

We felt extremely unsupported. There was additional costs, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is what we expect. You're going to ask for a full refund on the wedding. A full refund. Yes. They're probably going to tell you no. But you're going to ask for a full refund on the wedding.

If you get hostility back, you're going to go to your credit card company and you're going to dispute the charge. This is rule number three. So credit card is one of the best things. about credit cards is when used responsibly, they're incredible tools for situations like this. I spent this money and did not get what I asked for or the expectation. I was charged this amount of money. It's like, okay, I was double charged by this company for no reason, right? You get to dispute the charge. So you're going to call your credit card company. You're going to tell them

everything. You're going to be like, I have documentation. I have receipts. I can send them all to you and you're going to dispute the charge. So the biggest two things is you're going to go back and forth with the venue, right? And you're going to get, it's not even Karen because you're asking for something that's totally understandable. But you're going to be like, if you don't make this right, I'm not going to be able to recommend this venue. I'm going to be basically forced to leave a poor review. This was not a pleasurable experience and I need you to make it right. You did not offer me a coordinator. I did not hear from them four weeks. There were additional charges that were not transparent. If you have the contract, right, you hopefully signed a contract with

the vendor. Go through the contract. See what was in the contract versus what wasn't. And then again, hopefully they refund you, at least partially. If you either don't get a refund or just get a partial refund, go dispute it with your credit card. Hope this helps. Yes. Oh my gosh. Perfect advice because that is just, I feel like so many times when I get stories sent from brides, they're just like looking back on it and be like, this sucks and just feel like they have to deal with it. I love it. No, I will give anybody listening, if something does not go right at your wedding, that was in somebody's control. Not the weather, not something crazy,

but like in their control, negotiate it. Yeah. Negotiate it every single time. I know somebody who literally got their wedding basically 50% off. Like the photographer didn't show up on time, so they were like,

hey, I want half off the photos. Like the venue was supposed to have this. It didn't. They negotiated 25% off of that. Like, there's already an insane upcharge as soon as you put the word wedding on anything. And you expected a situation. expected a service that was not completed. Therefore, you should not have to pay the full amount.

Yeah, that's just it. So if anybody's out there who's like, oh, but I don't want to be an inconvenience. No, you spent your hard-earned money and this person went into debt to try to pay for this. Yeah. So you need to dispute it. You need to have a conversation. Anytime something goes wrong and it's, you know, significant enough, it's not like, I don't know, oh, the table clause were slightly the wrong color. No, that's too minuscule. But if something significant goes wrong that impacts your or your guest experience, negotiate it. Yeah. Negotiate it.

I love it. I love it because I think most people don't even feel like they have the opportunity to do that. I learned that from you too is like where you can like call like phone bills or like internet bill. Call them, you know, never just completely like accept something without calling and looking into it first. And you made a good point too about when you have meetings like this, whether it's a wedding or anything else, like a big. large sum of money, write things down, record things, have email, because I think a lot of times things happen on the phone. I had a crazy. This is what I recommend for work, too, is like, okay, if I have a conversation with somebody on the phone, I will send them a follow-up email of

like, hey, it was so good to talk to you. As a reminder to both of us, here's everything we discussed. Because then I have a timestamp. I have correspondence that they have received it, right? So unless they email back and they're like, no, that's not correct, we assume that we're on the same page. So then you have documentation of all of it. Yeah, I love that. this is a very small side story, but I learned my lesson with this recently. We were signing up for self-employment insurance or whatever. And this guy, I noticed, was only on the phone and then things didn't go through. But I got like triple charge. And all of a sudden it was like this crazy like scam thing. But I had no emails to show it. I'm like, I swear this is what he said

to me. And so now I'm like, okay, I'm never just going on the phone with an insurance guy. I need proof. Yeah. And again, a lot of these conversations do happen in person or over the phone. So take notes while they're happening and a notebook are on your phone. And then I know it seems tedious and hopefully you won't need them. But you're going to then email everybody you talk to and be like, hey, thank you so much.

You can do this at work. Again, this is at work. This is in your wedding and planning. It's just going, hey, here's everything we discussed today. If any of this is incorrect, please let me know. So looking forward to seeing you again, meeting with you again, you have to have documentation of it because it really comes in handy for situations like this.

Yes, I love that. Okay, one final thing. People send me their wedding hot takes. So I'm going to read just two of them and just give me your quick opinion on them. I know we probably covered some of these, but this person said, spending the equal amount of a down payment for a house on a wedding is insane. This is a really like controversial thing, I think. If you can afford it, fine. I think it only gets controversial if you can't afford it. And again, I think some people don't want to be homeowners or they can't be homeowners. So. Personal finance is personal. That's what I always say at her first hundred K. But if you're going into debt, yeah, absolutely not. Yeah. Last one. Oh, okay. I mean, this is going to be like a personal. But this says real flowers are the biggest waste of money. Go without and get artificial ones as they last. Again, if it's important to you, I think real flowers would be important to me at my wedding because I love them. But I live in Seattle where Pike Place Market is, this is what a lot of people do in Seattle is they don't get, you know, You know, the florists and the crazy things is they'll go the day before, go down to Pike Place Market, get basically the farm fresh flowers that are there and then have their crafty mom or mother-in-law with them, like, put the bouquets together.

Great way to get fresh flowers on the budget. But you can also, I've seen like people do fresh flowers with faux flowers or prioritize, okay, I'm going to have a big bouquet, but my bridesmaids are just going to carry eucalyptus or something like that. That's less expensive. Again, if you can afford it and it's a priority for you, great. It just means you maybe can't have something else that you might want to. Yeah. I was just telling someone, one of the prettiest bouquets I saw at a wedding. I was helping with a wedding once, total DIY on a campground.

And we pulled wildflowers the day before and threw them on the tables and they looked so beautiful. So she's got to do what you can work with. Just keep in mind, I have a good friend who's a florist and she's seen the horror stories of if you have a bunch of beautiful flowers and it's going to be hot at the wedding. Yeah, those flowers will wilt like nobody's business. So if you're getting married in the middle of the summer in Italy, you just understand that your flowers, your venue is going to have to understand what to do with those flowers

so that they don't will. You know, like you just need to have that expectation too. Yeah, something I definitely think about. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I'm always like learning so much from you. Like I said, I'm a huge fan of your podcast. I have your book. The information, the content you share is just so, so important for women,

not only just women, but women to learn. And I just really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for having me. So one last thing. Can you just tell everyone where they can find your work, follow you, and then anything exciting that you're working on. Yeah. So her first 100K is where you can find me, her first 100k.com or at her first 100K. We have over 5 million other financial feminists. So we'd love to come see you. Financial Feminist is the name of my book and podcast. So wherever you're listening right now, you'll find financial feminists there too. And we always have a lot of really cool stuff we're working on. I think my favorite thing right now is we launched one of our programs called the 100K Club. It's basically all of the resources you need to get your first 100K. So for people

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