Finding Peak w/ Ryan Hanley - Is Manifestation a HOAX? ft. Kathleen Cameron

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Starting point is 00:00:18 Today we are joined by Kathleen Cameron, the world's top manifestation mentor. She is the creator of the Diamond Academy, where she's generated over 30 million in sales in under four years, helping thousands of people transform their lives from her innovative manifestation and awareness approach, the art of expansion. Now, for those of you who look at the topic of manifestation and think that it's ethereal, it's fluffy,

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Starting point is 00:01:39 Let's get on to Kathleen Cameron. Crude laboratory in the basement of his home. Kathleen, thanks so much for taking the time today to share with us. How's your day going? What's going on? What's going on? It's a beautiful day. Just getting started. I'm on Pacific Standard Time, so it's bright and early for me. Oh, wow. Well, good for you for coming in and you're shiny and energetic and I love it. Not everyone's as glossy this early in the morning. So good for you.

Starting point is 00:02:29 I've gotten used to it. I've gotten used to like living in the Eastern Standard Time life and then hopping to Pacific Standard Time here and there. Yeah, because I saw your Ontario in Malibu, huh? So those are two, those are two pretty different places in the Northern Hemisphere here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm just north of Toronto too. So in Ontario. So I'm actually like in the snow belt. So at home, I've got like lots and lots of snow. And then I hop over. I'm in Beverly Hills now since the fires in the Palisades and in Malibu, the places that I normally stay in both the homes, both burnt down. So I'm up in Beverly Hills in the meantime. But yeah, I go back and forth and I love the duality of it.

Starting point is 00:03:09 It gives me both the warmth and the cool. Yeah. And, you know, we talked a lot before we went live about imagination, perspective and these kind of things. and changing environment tends to do that. It tends to open your eyes, especially when you have stark contrasts. You frame things differently, see them from different angles.

Starting point is 00:03:26 Have you found that? Oh, absolutely. And I actually do, I never used to be this way, but I now love change. And what I've found is like the more that I study myself and the more I study universal law, the more I understand how important change actually is.

Starting point is 00:03:41 And so your ability to move through the duality of life. And I say like ride those waves with grace. So I do find that going between the two environments And I travel a lot in other places at the world too It makes me more resilient I'm more adaptive And it gives me a little bit more like this adventure feeling Yeah it's funny

Starting point is 00:04:00 I travel a lot for work too I do a lot of speaking and different things And when you're so used to being on the road And like figuring things out And you know you have what you need But you know not a thing more Because you understand the cost of bringing stuff That you don't need when you travel

Starting point is 00:04:15 All those kind of things and navigating the inevitable, you know, challenges, setbacks, delays that happen with that lifestyle. And then you travel with someone who doesn't travel very often and how flustered, confused, upset they get at even like the smallest hiccups in that process. And like, for me, I'm like, it literally just blows right past my face. You're like, okay, this is when I read my book when we have a 20 minute delay or whatever. And, you know, they, you know, they have a really hard time doing this.

Starting point is 00:04:48 And it's that exposure to, to, it's like just the more exposure you get, the more you're able to put things in perspective. And oftentimes that's where I get some of my best ideas is in those moments of challenge when you're just kind of sitting there, maybe in silence. Yeah. And, you know, the other piece with me too, Ryan, I found that my life prior to my awakening in 2019, I was a registered nurse. I had a very, very, like, routine. My life was like Groundhog Day. You know, I would wake up and I would,

Starting point is 00:05:18 you know, get the kids off to school, go to work, come home, make dinner, bath the kids, watch a show, go to bed. So for me now, I have this extraordinary life. But because I lived a life that I found was, you know, so repetitive and so routine, I actually like crave this now. So when things get a little bit too routine, I'm like, oh, we got to spice it up a little bit. Like, what else can we do? Where can we go? You know? And it's just the duality. I say I'm on like my second mountain. I know there's a book called The Second Mountain. And I say it's like my second life now, my second iteration. Do you ever have moments where you yearn for the routine of just knowing what's going to happen the next day? And, you know, I tend to teeter. Like if I, if I have too much

Starting point is 00:06:04 travel, too much change, like, you know, and too much is relative, right, for what's going on. But I'll have these moments we're like, geez, I wish, you know, I wish I just knew tomorrow what was going to happen. Like, you know, these are the things that are going to happen and whatever. And I didn't have to, like, be navigating all these moments throughout the day. And that tends to be a fleeting thought. So I agree with you. But do you ever have that where, like, you maybe you get so far out in pushing in the

Starting point is 00:06:31 ambition side of your life and the journey that you're kind of like, a little routine wouldn't be bad? Well, I do crave it in some respects. And so even when I'm out here in California, I will try to create as much routine here as I can or even when I travel. So I do seek some of it, especially things like going to the gym. I always like to stay out of hotels now. I used to love staying in hotels now. I'm like, I want like an Airbnb with a kitchen and a smoothie maker. So I can, you know, do some of that kind of stuff. And I have certain groceries that I order now.

Starting point is 00:07:06 And so, yeah, I still pull in some routine for sure. But it's just not that kind of every day is the same. But yeah. You mentioned your awakening. Manifestation is a huge, enormous part of your life and your work. I found in having as many, you know, this is like episode 330 something. I've had all these incredible years. And I find that manifestation is kind of a polarizing topic. People are either like, this changed my life.

Starting point is 00:07:36 I believe, you know, blah, blah, blah. I have the, you know, whether they journal to get there or they meditate or. or they're like, not, that's bullshit. Like, life just happens, push hard, work hard, grind. You know what I mean? Like, there's this really polarizing aspect to it. So maybe you could break down maybe what exactly manifestation is as it pertains to you, your vision and what you teach.

Starting point is 00:07:57 And then, you know, I want to get into this topic and really dissect for the audience and really for the nonbelievers. I am, to be honest with you. And a convert. I wasn't for a very long time. But I'm very interested in how. we start to awaken people the way that you were. Yeah. Yeah, that's so beautiful. And just the idea of manifestation alone, it's not something that is, there isn't one necessary truth about it. It's the

Starting point is 00:08:26 truth that lies in your own consciousness, your own belief system. So whatever you believe to be true will be true. So I've just created this belief system in my mind now that serves me and serves my life and then it has my human. I'm a spiritual being having a human experience, so you'll hear me like literally talk about my humanity. But I will literally get my human to move in certain ways because I know that that will create the outcome for her that she wants. But for me, manifestation, my philosophy is spirituality meets personal growth and development.

Starting point is 00:09:00 So it involves the present moment and that stillness and that let and that surround. render. But it also involves that personal growth and development, that ascension, that growth, that becoming the elevated or next level version of yourself. So it's this continual growth while harnessing the present moment and understanding that, you know, time really isn't real and that it's just an illusion around us. And so how can you be that elevated version of you now in this present moment? And that is pretty much what I teach. But as far as the awakening side goes, for me, prior to 2019, I really believed that I was this physical body that I'm in. And that's the Kathleen Cameron that I was, was the way I looked, the personality that I had ingrained in my mind that could not be changed.

Starting point is 00:09:55 And I was literally being taken for a ride. So 2019, when I started studying manifestation and the power of the mind, I started having these thoughts about like, oh, well, wait a minute. What if we are spiritual beings? Like what if there is a greater power or force or energy and that I'm not just a human and I'm not my body and I'm in the body? And that just started opening me up to all kinds of new ideas that created new possibilities for me that harnessed a whole new power. And so, you know, it's been magical. The past five years have been magical since that moment. There's a lot to dig in there.

Starting point is 00:10:31 Have you ever read The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer? Of course I have. Oh, gosh. Beautiful book. That was a big part of my path in becoming much more in touch with my own spirituality. And I don't want to say I'm as far down the path as you because I don't think that I am. However, I feel like I'm on the same journey. And that book was, I mean, it's probably top three mentions on this podcast is that book.

Starting point is 00:10:59 Because this idea, and you've mentioned it multiple times, and this is really where I'd like you to dig in, this idea that we are not our mind, we are not our body, we are the soul or the spirit or, you know, however you want to frame this energy outside of the physical structure that it occupies on this plane, right? And I've always struggled because of my past and different things that the voices, right? You're not good enough. You're not, you didn't come from the right part of town. Your parents didn't teach you the right lessons. You're too old. you know, but all these things that are constantly running in your head. And for so long, I fought them, but I believe, let me say that.

Starting point is 00:11:41 I didn't believe them because I fought against it, but I thought they were real. You know what I mean? Like, if that makes sense, like, I thought they were real thoughts and I was fighting against them. And when I read that book, I went, wait a minute, those voices are not real. It's the resistance if we're talking about Stephen Pressfield. It's, it's this, it's my mind, the physical structure of my mind, trying to keep my body alive for the next second, the next second, the next second, with no, no perception of what the future could hold if you're able to work past those thoughts.

Starting point is 00:12:12 And man, that concept was, it was like everything I had thought but couldn't put words to, all of a sudden I had the playbook. And it, man, it was, what a life-changing experience reading that book was. Yeah, so beautiful. And one of the things for me with that book, after, you know, there was a point in there where he really talked a lot about the personal mind and just how the mind take things, it takes things personal. And so one of the things that I say all the time now is like, oh, I'm making that about me. And as soon as I realize that I'm making something about me

Starting point is 00:12:49 and I'm making it personal to me, I realize I'm inflating and it's a story and it's a delusion. And so then I can just step out of it and go, well, this actually isn't about you right now. this is actually a greater concept or situation or it's about them or it's about the world and I can just release myself from that taking it personal piece so I love that so much but here's a thing I truly do believe now to my core that we are uh you know Neil Donald Walsh my my all time favorite book is happier than God by Neil Donald Walsh and I spent some time mentoring with him last year and that changed my entire spiritual awareness. You know, what he says and how he refers to it is that we are a

Starting point is 00:13:35 differentiated version of an undifferentiated God. And the God language for some can be touchy. It can be tricky. But for me, it just means spirit, source energy. So I've created a God of my own understanding in my mind that functions for my life. But if we are this energy, this source, this creator, and it's coursing to and through us, it means that that creative energy that created the all of everything is then flowing to and through us, and it is a power that we can then harness. So this is where I now realize that the law of attraction, yes, it's physics, it's energy, it's vibration, but it's also a tool that creator gave us to further create. And our imagination, yeah, it's a function of the mind.

Starting point is 00:14:18 It's a higher intellectual faculty, but I actually think that the imagination then is a tool that creator gave us to create further. And so now I really see that connection between spirit, our physical bodies, and then the mind or the conditioned awareness of who we are that's in our mind. So I help people now come back up into the awareness of the truth of who they are, observe the conditioned awareness in the mind, and move the body in a new way to manifest a new experience. Could you briefly just break down the law of attraction for people? because I'm sure they've heard it and they may have heard versions, but I'd love to have you break it down for us. Yeah. So the law of vibration is actually the primary law and the law of attraction is the secondary law. So the law of vibration says that we are all in vibration 100% of the time we do not stop vibrating.

Starting point is 00:15:13 So if we understand that we are energy that is oscillating. So even when our heart stops and we are no longer in our physical form, our body still vibrates, but it deteriorates. it actually breaks down. It's still vibration. So what's so beautiful then is, is if we are always vibrating and it never stops or always oscillating, then we are also then always attracting. So the law of attraction, then the secondary law says based on that vibration, we draw to us like attracts like. So this is why we end up manifesting friends that are very similar to us. This is why we manifest partners that are either very similar or very contrasting, which keep our patterns and our programs alive. And so if we think about ourselves and our physical bodies and our vibration as a magnet then, you know, however we are set, however we have the, I call it the emotional conception of self. So the idea of Kathleen Cameron has a vibration because I feel a certain way about me.

Starting point is 00:16:19 And so when I feel empowered, when I feel energetic, when I feel lit up, when I feel inspired, I'm vibrating higher and faster. I attract very different than if I'm disempowered. I'm in victimhood. I hate myself. I'm thinking negative thoughts and I'm sad all day. I'm vibrating low and slow. I pull something different.

Starting point is 00:16:39 So I truly believe, like I said before that, this ability for us to attract based on that, there's so much science to it, but there's so much spirituality to it. where did that come from? And why was that part of our creation to be able to do that? It makes us so incredibly powerful. There's one more thing that you said that I'd just like to define before we move further, which is you kind of threw it out there as a throwaway comment. But I think the audience and myself very interested, this idea that time isn't real. He said time isn't real. Can you break that down in the concept for us so we can get our hands around it? Yeah. How I simplify this for myself is, before we created a clock or before we created hours or months or years, what existed?

Starting point is 00:17:28 There wasn't this concept. There wasn't this way of measuring. There wasn't this idea that I'm running out of time or I need more time or I'm too busy or there's only 24 hours in a day or there's 365 days in a year. We just existed. We just lived. And so that helped me to understand that the present moment is actually all that truly does exist. And anything outside of that, like the things that have happened to you in the past, they only exist in your mind now.

Starting point is 00:18:02 You can't go back and actually physically in the 3D world relive it. You can relive it in your mind. But you can't go in your body and time travel and go back there because that's not real because time is not real. And it's the same thing with the future. You can't actually like jump into a physical future. You can jump into different timelines in your mind through your imagination, absolutely. But it's not actually real. So then what is real?

Starting point is 00:18:27 It's the observed moment. And I use the word observed because there is so much happening around us and so many timelines and dimensions that we can't observe. So when we're talking about this right now, we're talking about our humans observing through the five senses, the 3D dimension we're on right now. And I know we're going a little deep. No, I love it. And actually there's an experiment that was done mid-1900s. And I'm going to forget the guy's name. He was a European psychologist.

Starting point is 00:18:58 And what he did was lock himself in a cave that was pitch dark for, I want to say, six months. And they had him journal throughout the entire time. So he had no sense of the sun coming up or sun coming down. He was completely isolated. in this cave and he would journal. And what they found is the longer time went, the more disconnected he became from time. And he had thought he was off by, I think like,

Starting point is 00:19:30 and I'm going to fudge the numbers, guys, so please just go look up this story. You can Google it. It's very available online. But essentially he was like, after six months, he was almost a month off. He was like 20-something days. off of what he believed the time was and when he was.

Starting point is 00:19:48 And he did a bunch more experience on this that all kind of show that time is, we perceive time, but we don't necessarily experience time, if that makes sense. Like, it's, we have set up constructs to, to perceive what's happening in the,

Starting point is 00:20:04 et cetera. However, our bodies don't actually understand or relate to it. It's just as we conceptualize it in our head. And one of the biggest forms of research. for manifestation in any and all ways as time. Because so many of us are wanting something to happen fast. And then what it doesn't happen fast, we feel bad that it didn't happen fast. And then we feel like we're a failure. So we're using the concept of time, which isn't even real, to make

Starting point is 00:20:33 ourselves feel bad about ourselves. And then we set goals. And we want it to happen by that time. And as it gets closer to the goal and it's not happening, we start to feel bad about it. We start to feel pressure. We start to feel rush. But you created the goal using time, which isn't even real. So for me, it's like, I would love to experience this next in my life. Okay, source, thank you. I'd love to experience this next in my life.

Starting point is 00:20:58 So today I'm going to be a vibrational match. So it's just that simple. So I'm not going to be like, well, I need it in 30 days. I need it in 90 days. And then when it doesn't happen, oh no. I'm, I just sit and I'm like, okay, all I have to be is be this elevated version of myself, a grandest version of myself every single day, get, get dressed, show up as this version. And I will experience, maybe not the next moment, but maybe in 10 moments, that thing that

Starting point is 00:21:26 I desire to experience that I'm being right now. Yeah, I think that's a wonderful point. It's, it's funny. Like, we set these goals for ourselves. And I work with a lot of CEOs and entrepreneurs, early stage founders, coach them. and there's a lot of them that listen to the show and, you know, they set goals, six months, a year long, whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:44 And what's funny is, to your point, like, if they're off pace for that goal, they will have all this negative emotion and panic and anxiety. And it's like, what, if I told you when you started, that you would absolutely 100% guaranteed hit that number,

Starting point is 00:22:00 but it would take nine months instead of sticks, would you sign up for that. A hundred out of 100 would say yes. Yet, we're putting all this pressure on this time moment, right? like it's such a great point as it applies to business is like, well, if you just move the time out a little bit and, or, or, you know, it all makes sense when we, that's that idea that like, everything makes sense in reverse. Right. Like, as we're going through it, we put all this pressure and these emotions and listen to all these voices.

Starting point is 00:22:26 Yet when we look back, everything we do makes complete and utter sense whether it's good or it's bad. Yeah. And, you know, so where I want to frame this question is, um, you use the term self-aware. awareness, awareness a lot. And I find that most individuals who are struggling with some form of achievement, whatever that looks like for him, whatever they frame achievement, there is a core lack of self-awareness and awareness that is really the rub for why they're not where they want to be. So how do we, and this is such a, it's a hard thing for me to do. That's why I'm so excited to have you on the show is like how do we start to become more aware? How do we build awareness into our daily

Starting point is 00:23:12 lives so we can actually make decisions based on reality, based on the present moment, instead of these like constructs that we build in our head? Yeah, so beautiful. The thing is for me, most people when they teach a manifestation, they actually teach step one, create a vision or a goal. Creative vision board. What do you want? That's your step one. That's not my step one. My step one. Step one is to become self-aware because I have learned over the past five years that if you do not have that awareness, if you do not have that insight, if you cannot see yourself, it doesn't matter what you want. You're going to work really, really hard to go and get it and you're going to hustle and grind and get burnt out. And you're going to use your physical mechanical hands. You're not going to allow source energy spirit to come with you.

Starting point is 00:23:58 You're not going to let the feminine energetics come with you. You're going to be all up in the masculine. So self-awareness is a starting point of all manifestation. For me, self-awareness came in the moment that I allowed spirituality to come into my life. So what I truly understand happened and why I think this is so important is that the ego mind or the personal mind will try to keep you safe. It'll keep you comfortable. It is used to and it is programmed and patterned to just do the same thing over and over again on repeat. It's so efficient that it will literally just keep doing the same thing.

Starting point is 00:24:31 So it will keep you in a loop of lack of awareness. It'll keep you in the dark, not truly seeing yourself or knowing yourself or understanding yourself. So I think about the people that we know, and we all know them, they're like the most negative people we've ever met in our lives and they have no idea they are. Like if you were to tell them that they're very negative, they would be like, me? And so that's what I mean. Like, so unaware of the way in which they see the world and the way in which they show up,

Starting point is 00:25:01 that they can't, other people see them in a completely different light. So spirituality then, the let, the surrender, the going within, the starting to meditate, being out in nature, things like that, you know, not so focused and busy all the time. It let me calm down. It let the ego start to move to the side. It let me start to be an observer. So many people are so busy in life, in life, living life, doing life. They're in the busyness, the go, go, go, go, go, go. They leave absolutely no time to observe themselves and to observe the world around them. Observe without judgment.

Starting point is 00:25:42 So that's the other pieces. We also observe, then we judge. So we're like, oh, I just realized I'm a negative person. Oh, that's horrible. And then you feel bad about yourself. So I always say, observe without judgment. So I started to just observe my thinking. I started to observe my habits.

Starting point is 00:25:58 I started to observe people's reactions to me every day. I started to observe the world outside of me. And so when I just started to watch it and just pay attention to it and even journal it, I started to journal some of my thoughts, things like that. That's when I started to become aware. You know, you talked about thoughts and negative thoughts. So I did not know how nasty I was to myself until I started this observation. I started to observe my own thoughts.

Starting point is 00:26:28 And so I thought, okay, let's get in front of the mirror here. So after I'd get out of the shower, naked standing in front of the mirror, I started to notice what I was noticing. And I started to hear it. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I was saying the most nastiest things to myself in front of that mirror. And it was like, now I get it. That was happening always. I was just unaware. And if you're unaware, you can't change it.

Starting point is 00:26:54 So being the observer is always the first step. it's always asking the questions. I always give my students tons and tons and tons of questions to ask yourself. We do interviews all the time. You and I, we're doing one right now. And we ask each other questions. We go on on dates. We ask each other questions.

Starting point is 00:27:13 But when are you asking yourself these deep questions? So I'm very inquisitive with myself now. I'm like, oh, why did you think that right now? Or like, oh, why did you just do that? Or like, huh, what was the pattern or the habit that caused you to behave? this way right now. Why are you really triggered by this guy in this moment? And that observation and inquisitiveness, curiosity, it opens the door. But I want to say one other thing, Ryan, I am all about beliefs. And I believe that whatever I believe to be true will be my truth. And so as I started down

Starting point is 00:27:48 this journey, I thought, what is the best belief for me to have about self-awareness? And so now you'll see me say this anywhere. If you watch any of my podcast interviews or anything, I will say, I'm the most self-aware woman you'll ever meet. Never used to be. But I told myself to believe that and now it's truth. I think our ego is funny, right? Like we prioritize the thoughts that hit it. But then I know when people hear you say, you're the most self-aware woman that's ever existed, a part of them that goes, like, I can't say that. That's egotistical, right? That's being braggy, right?

Starting point is 00:28:29 That's, that's in, you know, and then it's like that all of a sudden they flip from I want to dominate the world to then, well, I can't, I can't say that. I'm not that thing yet. How can she say that? What, what stats does she have to show that she is that thing? Like, like, how do you get past that part of the negative self-talk, which is the opposite, right? We have all this, this negativity over here. And then we start to tell ourselves that we're amazing and,

Starting point is 00:28:53 we're going to be this. And then this other voice creeps them, well, you can't, you can't say that. You haven't, you haven't earned that. Yeah, I, that's so interesting because it's a different way of existing. I used to exist as myself in relation to others. So comparison, looking at, you know, who's better than who or who's further along with their success and who has a nicer car and who's going to get the next promotion and who's making the most money. And like when I went in and did the inner work and the growth, like,

Starting point is 00:29:27 this is just me about me. Like I'm, I'm actually not, when I say that I'm the most self-aware woman you'll ever meet, like, that's not in comparison to anyone else. That's just me. Like, I'm just talking about me and my awareness being fantastic and amazing, you know? And even when I say, like, you know, I am the absolute best manifestation teacher that ever existed. I'm talking about me. So the reason I create. that belief is so that I believe that I'm the best, so that I believe that I can make the biggest impact in the world, that I have faith and trust in myself and that I'm super, super empowered for how I show up, but I'm actually not in competition with anybody. Like, there's thousands of people

Starting point is 00:30:09 teaching manifestation, and I think all of us are meant to do that as a collective to elevate collective consciousness. And so, yeah, I don't even, I'm realizing how much I've changed my programming around this, that I'm actually not, I'm not competitive that much actually at all anymore in my thinking. This is interesting. I love it because one of the things that I teach is detached from the outcome. One of the primary messages that I work with, whether it's a startup founder, entrepreneur, even some sales, some high level salespeople that will come to me. After we do some, some base kind of work, which I find it's funny. So even coming at, from the angle that I come, which is, you know, very business focused, usually growth,

Starting point is 00:30:54 sales, revenue, et cetera. I'll ask them, like, why do you want this? Not not why did you start the company, not what are you doing, not what are your goals, but why do you want this thing? It is amazing the amount of people who don't not have an answer off the tip of their tongue to that question, right? They have not actually done the self-awareness work. they haven't spent the time to actually,

Starting point is 00:31:22 they're just like, I have an idea for a company, or here's a product market fit, or I went to business school and did a regression analysis and saw there's an opportunity. You mean, like, whatever, they get into it for these reasons,

Starting point is 00:31:33 but like, do you actually want the startup life? If you want the startup life, like, what version of the startup life do you want? Because there's a million different versions of that. And, like, we don't take this time, which I think is so incredibly important. And I want to just, kind of double-click into an idea that you shared and share my own experience on this,

Starting point is 00:31:54 I use prayer and journaling as two of the primary tools to connect myself with the vibration to use your term. I wouldn't probably naturally use that term, but I think it's a wonderful term. For the vibration that is maybe like at my core, my truth, et cetera. Yes. And I find every time I go away from those tools, comparison comes into my life negative self-talk starts to play a bigger role I lose my willpower

Starting point is 00:32:25 my discipline and I become this version of myself that as you said starts staring in the mirror going you're a loser you know you're off the track you're not you know living to your and then and it's funny how like and take take prayer

Starting point is 00:32:42 or take journaling as just tools to this idea of just giving your mind the ability like just giving it space, like going for a walk without any AirPods, right? Just just walking, God forbid. Oh, it's a big of all that an awareness walk.

Starting point is 00:32:57 Yeah, like the thoughts that creep into your head after 10, 15, 20 minutes, you're like, where did that come from? I didn't even know that idea was in my brain. Like, because we just don't give ourselves space. So, you know, I wrote down, you know, Kathleen, like, but if I'm not busy, then I'm not valuable, right? Like this idea of,

Starting point is 00:33:17 we have to be busy, we have to be working. If I'm not grinding and posting every moment on social media, then somehow I'm not valuable to the world. I want to frame that in this idea of surrender because to me, what you're asking for is kind of a spiritual surrender to the way our universe or however you want to describe it works. What are some ideas or questions that we can ask ourselves

Starting point is 00:33:44 for those busy entrepreneurs, those busy founders listening who are just go, go, go, calendar filled. What can they ask themselves to find places where they can kind of surrender to their own mind and start to do some of the things that you coach? So beautiful. And what you were really talking about with the journal and the prayer is really that you're going within yourself instead of living from outside of yourself. So when we're living from the outside in, I think this is where we naturally go back

Starting point is 00:34:14 to those patterns and their programs. I call it sometimes like virus code. It's not real and it's not true. It's just patterning and programming from the collective. But the more that you're living from within and you go inside, the more that you go to the truth of who and what you really are. So journaling and prayer for you are reminding you of your truth. And when truth is operating in you, it feels like peace.

Starting point is 00:34:35 It feels like love. It feels like joy. It doesn't feel like all that other stuff. So for me, it's really about understanding that many of the beliefs that you do have and the behaviors that you do have are patterned and programmed based on something that you were taught and they're not necessarily true. Like I really did believe for me to make more money, I had to work harder. For me to have more success, I had to work harder. Like I had a university, I had multiple university degrees, full-time registered nurse, two kids at home, started a master's

Starting point is 00:35:05 degree. And then before the master's degree was done, I started a side business online selling products. It was like, let's pile it on so that the worthiness, I'm finally good. enough for you all. Yeah, look at all the things I'm doing. Yeah, yeah. Finally successful, look at all the letters next to my name. Like, I must have had seven letters next to my name. But anyway, so I had to reexamine that and say, like, is there another reality here?

Starting point is 00:35:28 Is there a reality that exists where I am making 10, 20, 30 times more money and I go to the spa on a Friday afternoon? Is there a reality where I travel around the world making money as I'm traveling and experiencing the joys of life and not having to work 10, 12-hour days, you know, can I actually be present with my children and grow a successful business? So I had to examine those beliefs first because if you try to surrender and you're deeply ingrained and programmed in the other, you're going to struggle. You're going to sit in a meditation and you're going to be like, I got to do this. No, I can't meditate. I can. I can't. So for me, I had to say, no, like, I'm willing

Starting point is 00:36:12 to open myself up to the idea that the more I rest, the more I make. I'm going to open myself up to the idea that my inner work is the growth in my business. I'm going to surrender to the idea that I'm going to go to a retreat for five days and come back an elevated version of me and quantum leap my business. So I had to accept those new beliefs and new ideas. And so I always just ask the what if, Like, what if that's true? And then once you do that, the mind will start to go, huh. So let's give it a try. So when I actually work with some of my high-level private clients,

Starting point is 00:36:48 these very, very successful CEOs and business owners, I'm like, okay, your job today is to go to the spa. Okay, your job is to go out on the yacht for the afternoon and not go to that meeting that you have booked. You know, I'll give them work to actually go in and remove two meetings from their calendar in a day and replace it with meditation, visualization, journaling. and it works like a charm,

Starting point is 00:37:14 but they have to be willing to look at it and be willing to accept this new idea, this new version of themselves. When they push back, what's the primary pushback that you get on that idea? For the people that don't just immediately buy in. If I don't do it, I won't be successful. But you're successful already.

Starting point is 00:37:33 This is the thing. We're always trying to seek an experience outside of us that we aren't actively having. But the truth of it is, is you are having it inside of you anyways, and you can. And so when you experience that and you say, you know what, I'm successful whether I go on the yacht or not. I'm successful whether I go to the spa or not. I can hustle and grind it for eight hours today or I can work for.

Starting point is 00:37:58 And I'm a beautiful example. I mean, I was a registered nurse. I've done 24-hour shifts. I've done 18-hour shifts. Like I stood next to patients at the bedside and got paid an hourly, wage for some of the hardest work that I have ever done. And I sit here now five years later and this right now, having this beautiful, loving conversation with you, and I'm in Beverly Hills, California, this is my life now. And I have fun and I'm passionate and I have adventure and I'm not,

Starting point is 00:38:29 and I sleep eight hours, nine hours a night. And I'm making more money now than I ever would have made as a registered nurse, but it's new ideas in here. I had to think from a new place and accept new ideas. And so the willingness to do that will change the entire experience for you in your life, for sure. How do you marry the ideas of ambition and surrender? Because a lot of times when you talk to people who are in this, just, you know, you look at their calendars. And, you know, like you said, you work with CEOs. I work.

Starting point is 00:39:00 And they open up their calendar. And it's like 15 hours of blocked meetings. and you're like, how does your, like, I know that by meeting four, having lived this life and been a CEO multiple times and started my own company, like I know by meeting four, you're working on like 20% capacity, right? So this day is insane. And then they'll have the same pushback, right? Well, I got to get ahead and I got to hear and here's our quarterly goal.

Starting point is 00:39:24 And when you ask, I find that people seem to think if they, using your term surrender, if they have these moments of surrender, that somehow that can't, marry to ambition. And I think we both know that that's not, that actually it's the opposite, right? That the people who build more space into their lives often are able to go further. But so many people, they just struggle with that idea

Starting point is 00:39:50 that somehow they're giving up on their ambitions if they meditate, right? Like how do we get past that idea? Yeah. This is so beautiful because I am a very, very driven woman. Absolutely. that drive has created the success in my life, the business that I currently run today, and all the things that are on their way to me. Like, I'm a driven woman, very much so I'm very proud of it,

Starting point is 00:40:16 but I don't work hard. And so when I say that to people, they're like, oh, she doesn't work hard, she's lazy. Oh, no. She's not earning it. Oh, no. No, because we want to wear, I worked hard like a badge of honor. Because we were taught that the harder you work, the more worth it is. The harder you work, the more of an impact. You can celebrate your success if you've really put in the work. Well, I think that's amazing and I think that's wonderful, but I also am in control of my human experience here. And I get to decide what that human experience is like. And I would love to make a significant impact and help millions of people through this work and through my business. I run a business. I'm the CEO of multiple businesses now. And so I want to impact people through this work,

Starting point is 00:41:02 but I also want my human experience to be lovely while I'm here. I want to enjoy life. I want to have fun. I want to relax. I want my body to last me a long time. My body's not going to last me to 111 years old if I'm hustling and grinding and not sleeping and not eating and overworking and chronic stress. So for me, it was a new decision to think outside of the box.

Starting point is 00:41:27 And one of the things that my team knows is I will not do more than three zooms in a row. So you're my first Zoom of three today and then I'm done. And that's how I, it's a non-negotiable. I will not do it. Because once I go to the fourth Zoom to the fifth Zoom, I'm tired, I'm stressed, I'm back in my humanity, I'm back living for the outside world, I feel a headache, come on, tight shoulders. So I have to be in control of me and how I feel and only allow my vessel, my mind, my

Starting point is 00:42:00 spirit to go so far and then go back inside within myself. Yeah. To me, this this hard work equal success concept is really rooted in insecurity. Yeah. And because they don't believe because they haven't done the work because they're not practicing positive self-talk or spending time in their own thoughts that they replace like success is success, right? How you get there doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:42:28 Like it's success is success. hard work is not success you could you know i mean my dad was an incredibly hard worker he was a laborer for the railroad he made 35 000 a year you know he was not successful but he was an incredibly hard worker right so like my first job out of college i made double the most that my dad had ever made in his life right not because i had this amazing job but because he just worked all you know just grinded his body into nothing you know banging 200 pound wrenches against uh against a Amtrak train all day and, you know, worked really hard but didn't, didn't really make any money, didn't really, you know, get that level of success. And I think it's just this, a beautiful

Starting point is 00:43:10 concept that comes out of this insecurity that somehow, you know, we don't, we set a goal for ourselves and then we never actually believe we're going to get there. And it's like, it's just bewildering to me that, I shouldn't say bewildering because I've, because I've been there. I shouldn't say, I want to, I'll take that comment back. It is, it is sad to me, that that still exists, considering how many amazing people are out here like yourself sharing these messages, that we still have people who haven't come across it. Because I think anyone who listens to this, there's absolutely no way at the end of this. They're not at least going to give consideration to the idea that I need to build more space

Starting point is 00:43:46 into my life, right? So it's just getting this message out to more people and letting them know that, man, don't wear 15 hours of work as a badge of honor unless, now granted, there's seasons in your life. I want to be clear with everyone. There are moments. There are seasons where, you know, a three-day sprint, a two-week sprint, where you just have to get after it for whatever reason. And that's okay, as long as it's framed as what it is and it doesn't become, it doesn't take over your life.

Starting point is 00:44:11 Does that, do you agree with that? Yeah. And I think for me it's all about balance. And so I am running a business, running multiple businesses. I do show up every single day. But it's not 15 hours a day. It's efficient. So when I am in my business, I'm really making sure that my time is spent on.

Starting point is 00:44:28 the most efficient things. Also, delegation. Like, hello, if you are someone that likes to control, old me, I was very controlling. I would want to do everything myself. And so when you want to do everything yourself, you're actually just keeping things to you that don't necessarily need to. So I'm very good at delegating now and trusting other people and having faith. But you said something, I want to pull back to Ryan, because it's a powerful concept. You talk about people setting goals and never believing it'll actually happen. So one of my favorite words that I use in my manifestation journey is the word certainty. Certainty creates every time.

Starting point is 00:45:11 So while people are hustling and grinding to try to accomplish a goal that they're not so sure will ever happen, I'm over here working on my certainty that the goal is done. That's the work I'm doing. I'm convincing myself within myself, making me, my self-certain that my goal is accomplished already before I take any action. Because if you take action from lack of certainty, it is not the same energetic footprint as action taken in certainty. There's a vibration tied to every action. So when I take action in my business and I hope it works, it is a very different vibration than this is working. This is done. Everybody loves this.

Starting point is 00:45:56 Everybody's been waiting for this. Totally different energy. So for me, I go within. I work on the certainty. I convince myself that it is done. And then I take action. I will not take action until I'm certain. So tactically, are you visualizing yourself at the place where the goal is already achieved?

Starting point is 00:46:18 And you're already that person and you're already, you know, you're holding up the trophy and, you know, whatever. You know, again, whatever the picture is for people. But like you're actually, you're actually taking your mind and pushing it out and saying, this is what that moment looks like when I hit that thing that I want to do. And I've already done it. It's already happened. And now I just, I'm already the person because I know I'm going to get there. Like is that kind of tactically how you're doing it?

Starting point is 00:46:43 Yes. Yeah. And even for sales in a business. So if I'm doing some sort of a launch and I would like to receive a certain number of sales come through, which is a certain level of impact, a certain number of people I'd love to serve through that course program, book, whatever it is, live event, I will literally say, okay, I would love to experience this, knowing that at that moment I don't necessarily believe that's going to be the number, because I'm not going to choose a goal that I've already done that I already believe in. That's not a stretch.

Starting point is 00:47:10 So I'm going to choose something I've never done before. It's going to be past the sales that have ever happened, and I'm not going to initially believe in it. So then my work is to go from, I think this is possible, to this is already done. visualization, I might journal it out. I don't journal a lot anymore, but I might journal it out a little bit if I need a little bit more clarity. And I also will use contemplation. So to contemplate the idea of this many sales is a creative idea, puts you in that creative plane. It reprograms a subconscious. I will also talk like it's already done. I'll be like, ooh, I can't wait for this number of people

Starting point is 00:47:48 to sign up for this. Then I will plan for that number of people. So I will then go to the team and say, okay, are we set up to serve this many people and have this many sales as our back end, is our office? So I'm actually visualizing it, journaling it, thinking about it, talking about it, planning for it. And then by doing all of those things, I'm like, oh, well, it's already not as I'm convinced. Yeah, I have a very recent real life example of this. I did a TEDx talk last month, first one, and I've done 350 plus keynotes in my career over the last 15 years. So I don't get stage anxiety anymore. You know, energy, you know, anxiousness to perform, but not necessarily anxiety.

Starting point is 00:48:33 It was like it was my first time all over again. Something about the format, my style, I tend to be more contextual, as you can say. I do kind of the weave in the way that I speak. And it works really well in a 45 minute to hour-long keynote because I can watch the audience and I can kind of work in different stories and et cetera. In a TED talk, you have 17 minutes. If you go past 18, you're not going to make the docket. So you really got to be in that 15 to 17 range.

Starting point is 00:48:59 It's one idea. It's hard hitting. You're on this dot in the middle of this. There's a lot. It's a different format. Okay. So I am, I'm a wreck, just an absolute wreck. And I'm like, what is, like, I almost couldn't even figure out what was wrong with me

Starting point is 00:49:13 because I'm so not used to being anxious about these things. And what I was doing was projecting out. You're going to fumble this line. Why can't you remember this transition from here to here? You know, this slide doesn't really make sense. You're going to mess it up. Like, make sure, you know, and I'm just projecting all the stuff. And then, and then, so I'm pacing.

Starting point is 00:49:29 This is all the way up until an hour before I'm supposed to go on stage. I'm literally pacing in the lobby, reading my notes as if the 10,000th time reading them is going to somehow ingrain it in my brain. And I sat down on a bench and I have a very good buddy. His name is Chris Klein. He lives about an hour away. He came to watch me do my thing. And he sat down on the bench next to me.

Starting point is 00:49:48 And he's talking, I just, I shared basically what I'm sharing with you now. I shared with him. And he just looked at me and he goes, dude, you're going to fucking crush it. And like something about that, my brain like couldn't not visualize walking off the stage, having just crushed it. And it was like everything went away. Anxiety went away, stress went away, fear went away, anxiousness went away. And then for that last hour, you know, you know, talking to him a little more, whatever.

Starting point is 00:50:16 the only picture that I had in my head was how good it was going to feel to walk off the stage and feel like I nailed this thing that I'd work so hard on and it was, it changed the experience simply by reframing what I was projecting in my mind and it's like, it's everything we've talked about today

Starting point is 00:50:33 you know, it just, this shit is real guys. Like I hope that you're not out there going oh, you know, I get it, I hear it, but energy, blah. This shit is absolutely 100% real whether you believe in it or not. it's real. And you can either choose to use it as a tool and tap into what Kathleen is teaching and her work, or you can just decide not to leverage a tool that's literally sitting in your tool belt that everyone has. Yeah. Yeah. And I always just say, like, what if the power of suggestions.

Starting point is 00:51:03 So that friend of yours made a suggestion to you and you heard it and you visualized and you moved it into the physical and you made it real for you. So what we're doing on this podcast today is We're just suggesting ideas. Whether you choose to grab them and believe them or not is totally up to you. But what if some of these ideas, one idea, two ideas that you heard today just change everything for you in your business and change your experience as a human. This is about you and living a great life. And trust me, when you slow down, when you calm down, when you go within and when you start to like really see your power, it makes this experience here so much brighter. Kathleen, this has been an amazing conversation.

Starting point is 00:51:45 I appreciate the hell out of you. For those who are listening that want to go deeper into your world, you know, start to engage with your work. Where should they go? And guys, so you know anything that Kathleen mentions, description or show notes, whatever, just scroll down. I'll have links to everything. But where should they go? I have a podcast called The Manifested Podcast with Kathleen Cameron. A lot of me teaching, but then I'm also having guests now, which is really, really fun.

Starting point is 00:52:09 That is on YouTube and also on Spotify and Apple. and then Instagram is where a lot of people find me. Kathleen Cameron manifests. I share more about my personal life over there, some of my own personal manifestations. It's a little more fun over there too. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us, and I wish you nothing but the best.

Starting point is 00:52:25 Oh, this has been such a pleasure. I've enjoyed every moment of this discussion, Ryan. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you. Laboratory in the basement of his home. Happy holidays. Want to give your host a gift?

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