Finding Peak w/ Ryan Hanley - Why Every Man Should Learn to Fight (It's Not What You Think) | Ed Latimore

Episode Date: August 2, 2025

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i'm a chill out it's like no i've been fending off diseases for most of your existence i got to attack something else ooh there's a protein like like like in uh and a peanut or a shellfish let me go after that all right i think psychologically would the same way we don't have any anything to to conquer anything to put our our the human nature of conflict behind so we invent it then we find it in each other what if your biggest breakthrough is waiting on the other side of your biggest breakdown. After getting fired from my third executive position, I realized God didn't create me to work for someone else.

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Very cool, man. That's the spirit for sure. It's the beauty of owning something. So, all right, man. Well, dude, I'm so excited to talk to you. I was actually first exposed to your work when you were on the James Alters show, which I'm a big fan of. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love James, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was a while ago. It was a few years ago, and then I started following you on Twitter. And I love the way that you approach different topics. And, you know, I'd like to start, you know, there's tons of stuff in your backstory that I'd love to talk about because there's some weird, there's some, there's some similarities, like just put white and rural and, you know, you're black and urban, you know what I mean.

But the shit that you talk about in terms of what impacted you being surrounded by drugs and alcohol and bad influence, like, that's, that's, that's. my story, but in the middle of nowhere in a town of 900 people, you know what I mean? So I think there's some wonderful things to talk about, but I want to dig into this thing that you brought up in the green room, which is, I believe, and I think you agree, that this is one of, if not the topic of our day, which is why are we as a society, particularly the U.S., so incredibly polarized today? Like, how do we come back together?

Why is this topic so important to you specifically? Well, for me, it's really important. And this is, it might not be obvious, but I'm black, okay? So one of the things that, you know, I'm aware of is, you know, just being black in the world. And that's not going to go where most people think it's going to go. I'm just going to like, you know, I don't want to telegraph and make it seem like I'm about to say something, something crazy. But when you grow up as a minority, and the way I grew up, kind of, you know,

poor dissidentively, everyone expects you to think a certain way. They expect you to follow along, I think, with, and now I use the terms, you know, with kind of a democratic, liberal way of thinking. My experience is even when I was living in that situation for most of my life, have naturally led me to think more like, not in all things, but in certainly some key things,

like a conservative. And that always bugged me because, one, I shouldn't be expected to think a certain way because of who I am, because of my race, and two, why does my way of thinking, which is pretty much, you know, I don't want to like, you, I guess I got to use the term,

but it can be best summed up is self-reliance. You can do things, figure this out. No one's coming to save you type deal, okay? And it bug me like, why does that align with one side of the political aisle and the opposite to the other? And then I thought more about it. You know what I realized? This is a really new realization.

It is not a liberal versus progressive. It is not liberal versus conservative. conservative or progressive, whatever. And it's not a Democratic versus Republican. It's like, how can we weaken the United States? I really believe this now. And I thought about this more and more, and then I uncovered the interview of Yuri Besdemob or you're a besdemob.

I'm saying that, right? A KGB agent defected back in the 80s. This is the 80s he's talking about. this and he says you know he's talking about the Soviet plan to destabilize and he's like look we don't need to come in and like take over a country we don't need to do it violently first we're just going to we're going to co-op your institutions it's going to take us like 15 20 years but eventually we'll make sure everyone is is very liberal he doesn't say liberal he says like i think he says sympathetic to like marxist and communist causes and then from there it then

they're going to be teaching your, you know, your children, and they're going to handle that, and then the next generation will grow up, and they're going to think a certain way. And in this way of thinking, we don't, everything is, everyone's going to be so confused that you could show them facts at their face, and they're going to be like, no, you're crazy. That's not the truth. I think we are being, now, now part of this is intentional. And even if it's not intentional, the other thing that we have is you have this incredible individualism that's part of the United States history, right? That got put on steroids when social media came out and they gave everyone a voice.

And the voice that was the loudest and the most negative because of the way the algorithms work, those got amplified. And so that got everyone thinking because we spent so much of our time along, you know, touched. grass is a meme, but like, that's a real thing people need to do. But I got everyone thinking, the world is really that bad. And that gave them something to attack, something to defend, make them feel like their values under assault. And then the last thing to put a bowl in it is one of my favorite books is the epidemic of absence.

And that book is about how our allergies develop, right? And the author makes this point that as a country's just, GDP goes up, its incident of food allergies also goes up as the environment becomes cleaner because your immune system doesn't go, oh, you know, there's nothing else for me to do. I'm going to chill out. It's like, no, I've been fending off diseases for most of your existence. I've got to attack something else. Ooh, there's a protein, like in a peanut or a shellfish.

Let me go after that. All right, I think psychologically is the same way. We don't have anything to conquer anything to put our, the human nature. of conflict behind so we invented and we find it and we find it in each other. I think you're 100% right

and I think this plays in a lot of different ways. Something we've discussed on the show before and I have some guests hopefully coming on in the next few months is like what happened in the early 70s, right? Like what the heck happened to this country? Our testosterone, L testosterone is down 59%

since 1972. The average male carries 59% less testosterone in their body than 1972, right? We go off the gold standard and now inflation is at, you know, if you look at the inflation numbers, if you look at debt numbers, if you look at money in the system, if you look at basically every negative metric that you can possibly look at since the early 70s, we've seen these major changes. And it all aligns with when, and guys, I'll have a lot the link to the interview, the Ed just referenced with Yuri, the KGB agent, essentially, you know, the communists realized that they couldn't beat us. They couldn't beat us from a, from an industrial standpoint, they couldn't beat us militarily, and they couldn't beat us

from an innovation in science technology standpoint. So the only thing that they could crack was our psychology. And, you know, I was introduced about a year ago to this idea, because I've struggled with with with the postmodern liberal mentality right like there's no receipts to back up any of the philosophies there's zero receipts right there are there are and they don't point to the conclusion you they want you to point to and so it's like uh yeah i i i had to adopt very early in my life and and seemingly you did as well that like i had to live in reality i couldn't i couldn't live by by theoretical ideas of what some utopian thing that could happen if if you know only x and y there is evil in the world people do good people do bad things right crazy things

happen that you don't expect that have no reason and essentially you have to build a life that defends against these things yeah and if you do not if you're not building a life of positivity and i think god plays a big role in this right like all the sudden people start grasping for things and you look at like like i don't like elam musk so i'm going to draw swastikas on random teslas in parking lots as a like what's this crazy this like and but that's that is a holy crusade like you know i mean these are secularists but they're on a holy crusade i mean they feel justified like like morally justified and taking some random human that they don't know who bought a Tesla at sitting in a parking lot and keying a swastika into it.

And like, okay, so stepping back from that, like, we need things in our life. And you do talk about this that are hard. Like we need to have things that are that challenge us in a positive way. So how do we start to crack that conversation? I really struggle with this because I don't think, I, I am no way think my philosophy on life is right. I make mistakes all the time, right? But I do try to pursue and completely open to ideas that could point me in a better direction, right?

And I just, but there's so many people you run into who are just like limping through life. They're just like dragging themselves and they believe anything they see on TV and they don't want to go deeper than surface level on anything. And I guess part of the reason of doing this show is trying to expose people who are interested or open to the idea to new ideas. How do we start to crack that and help people maybe come back to this idea of living in reality? Like, like, one of the things that I always tell guys when they are having trouble, you know, losing a way to be an antisocial, finding a date, whatever, you know, it always comes back to a retreat from reality. Hiring isn't just about finding someone willing to take the job. You need the right person with the right background who can move your business forward. If you want candidates who truly match what you're looking for, trust Indeed sponsored jobs.

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Like you said, and it's so easy to retrieve from reality. Like if I wanted to, I could, Netflix is incredible. And that's just Netflix. That's just the commercial one. I popped them TikTok last night,

and I swiped over on the 4U tab. I didn't even notice existed. And before I knew it, I had wasted 15 minutes, watch some kid play Mortal Kombat 2. And I was like, whoa, hold up. How is this a thing? And that's just one example.

When you were at YouTube, my point is that there's lots of, there are so many ways to numb yourself and just be a passive. of consumer and do everything you can to have just enough to passfully consume because humans, like every other organism in this universe, will seek the most energy efficient path. In other words, we do things the easiest way possible, assuming it, you know, we do what we can to survive, but we try to do that the easiest way possible. The way out of that is to seek

out hardship intentionally. Now, I'm not the dude that's going to tell you to go take cold showers. You know, I get where the movement comes from, and that's certainly a step in the right direction, but it's not really practical. I tell guys, go learn how to fight. Go learn. Go get into a gym and train for six months to 12, six to 12 months to take a fight. And that's six to 12 months. If you commit yourself to that goal, a few things are going to happen that can't happen any other way. One, the obvious.

you're going to get incredible physical shape. Whatever your issue was losing weight and being healthy, you're probably going to fix it. And on top of that, because of the opportunity cost of going to the gym, you're not going to be sitting around wasting your time. I think one of the reasons, one of the major reasons I got sober,

and one of the major reasons why I didn't make any really big mistakes when I was in the throws out of all of them, is because I had this thing I was focused on. which was my training. So I would never let myself get too crazy and I could put the brakes on when I, sometimes, not all the time, obviously, but it never got as bad as I saw it be for some people.

When you go training for a fight, you take care of that healthy. You end up because of the structure will fight, Jim. You end up making real friends. A lot of guys talk about not having friends. There's all types of surveys. I wrote an article about this, about how over the age of 23,

people really don't make new friends, especially men at least. Women are a bit better at this, actually a lot better at this, but men are really bad. If you train in the gym for a year, and it will be impossible to not have friends. You'll be kicked out if you're not able to work with people. I have never had a problem making friends, and I realize that it's not because there's something special about me. It's like, okay, I graduated high school. I had this little break, and then I'd gotten to fighting when I was 22.

And then fighting introduced me to a bunch of other people. And then I enlisted in the military. That introduced me to a bunch of new people. And now it's like a self-referring system. I meet people all the time who get recommended to hang out and have coffee, stuff like that. But there's that aspect, living in reality. Can you make friends? Next part.

Look, forget the political correctness, man. Let's be real here. If you can take care of yourself and you're strong and you are together, you're going to attract women into your life. And, you know, whether they're suitable for long-term dating or not, that's a different problem. But that's a problem. A lot of guys don't even get to solve because they haven't solved the first one, which is, you know, just getting a ticket to the dance. You know, we'll worry about if she's a good dance or later.

You got to get invited to the dance first. So for me, not just physical activity, though physical activity does. matter. Not saying, you know, if you got to pick between going to a fight gym and just going to your 24-hour fitness, please go to 24-hour fitness and don't be a fat ass. But like, if you got the option to get to any type of fight gym, I'm partial to boxing because that's what I came up in, but BJJ works, judo works. Well, anything works that forces you to face fear, compete with another guy in a social environment. I think people forget how, or don't forget, they just don't know how social a fight club is.

But it's not social like we're sitting around playing video games shooting the shit. We're talking shop, you know, and that's the other thing that's kind of crucial to networking that no one talks about. They go, how do we network? The first part of networking is like being good enough at something. It ain't got to be like world changing, but you're going to be good enough at something where people are like, oh, let me talk to this guy. He seems interesting or he has something to teach me something.

some offer and then your social skills coming to play and you build off that but that that one right there and if you look at at everything in our society right now it is pulling people away from that physical activity not even fighting but that physical life that living outside that interact with others that's a big deal we're getting further and further away from it and the numbers are starting to show and the, I guess, metrics of social development and social satisfaction,

especially amongst men, the stat that still blows my mind. The 27% of men under the age of 30 are virgins. And we're talking like over 18s. We're not counting like, you know, grouping in like eight-year-old or shit. We're talking about guys that like should be in their prong, trying to date, meet women.

One and four. And that's crazy. The idea of being a virgin at 30 is so foreign to me. You got kids. I mean, I can't even, I can't even wrap my head around that. I mean, like, you know, so when this idea of toxic masculinity came out, right? I found it abhorrent. I just, I was like, everything about my life has been, has been cultivating masculinity, right?

Strength. Like if someone breaks in my front door, I may not win. I'm going to fuck the guy. I'm going to cost them. Right. You might rob me, but you won't know that the police are going to be able to, when they, when they find you, they're going to know that you was just in something. You have to explain the marks, you know.

Yes, yeah, exactly. Like, I'm like, I say people all the time and like, why, you know, so I'm a gun owner. And, you know, I got buddy, especially in New York. I was about to say in New York, yeah. Yeah, a lot of people, you know, there's a lot of people that are like, oh, I can't believe you have guns in the house. And I'm like, look. if someone decides at 2 a.m. that they're going to come in my house,

I'm going to make sure that they regret that decision. Again, I have no idea if fate is going to have me win that altercation, but I'm going to make sure they regret that decision. That is my obligation as a man is to defend my home, my people, right? That's my obligation. And like, it has been taught and men have been so just, like, They've just been so docile. Like they, like everything is about, oh, your feelings and vulnerable.

And look, like, like I'm not against, you know, being able to express an understanding that you have layers beyond just the surface. Right. All that stuff. That's very, very important. I, the best advice I ever got in my entire life was from a mentor about seven years ago. And I was going through some stuff. And he said, look, go get a counselor, meet with that person every other week for the rest of your life and just consider it a life expense. Like it just became an expense that you pay like your Netflix bill or your heat or your mortgage.

And that is some of the best advice I ever got because I get to talk to this person, explain things that. I don't know why I react this, whatever. That's good. But we got to get back to understanding what our role is in society. Right. And our role, like I was talking to my sister is wonderful human being, but she's unfortunately been indoctrinated into postmodern liberalism.

Like I said to her. you know she was she's she questions a lot of my beliefs right and i skew conservative obviously and and not even conservative i don't even like that term like yeah we'll dig back into that because yeah like i like to live like again my my the way i like to frame it is i like to live in reality right and i'm like men are replaceable god created us in a way that we're replaceable right if there's people invading we all go out and get the crap kicked out of us and killed and a few of us come back so that the women can repopulate the community and the community continues. Like, we need the women to be safe because they're the ones that create the little humans

that allow us to keep going as a species. And the men, you know, they can get beat up and they can get killed. And that's what we're for. We're the cannon fodder. But if you're sitting in your basement and your 300 pounds and your contribution to society is your level in some game, I'm not against video game, whatever. If that's what you're into, it's great. But like, like you said,

You have to be fit. You have to have a personal philosophy on life. Acquire skills. You don't even have to be the best. You just have to be committed to acquiring them. And like, the idea that this is somehow toxic or foreign or antiquated thought process, I can't even wrap my head around. Like, open your eyes for 10 seconds and look what's happening in the world.

Not much has changed other than the fact that shit just happens faster. Yeah. It happens faster and we're more aware of it. Yeah. We didn't have this the way things come. It's crazy. But like, that phrase toxic masculinity, you know, I've gone back and forth on this because, like I said, my whole thought process is rooted in reality and truth. As I examine something, if some of my beliefs skewed towards a liberal idea, it's only, it's not because it's a liberal idea, it's only because they happen to get that one.

right if it would skews towards a concern rather than it happened to get that one right am i still here sorry about that uh my old i was uh i got it oh i can't see you hold on sorry about you can't edit this i'm assuming okay great uh here i am i'm back all right but um yeah if if if if my idea skew one side or the other it's only because as i sat and thought about the idea and really analyzed it, that's where I had landed. And I can give you examples of that. But on the toxic masculinity thing, that was one of those things.

I'm like, okay, well, they're not saying, at first my brain was like, you know, this is kind of like that word trick they use with immigration. No, we're not against immigration. We think illegal immigration is a big deal, and you've got to use the adjective. So I'm saying, okay.

And in this case, we're saying toxic masculinity, okay, so maybe they're saying, you know, the toxic side. And then, and then I had to stop myself. But they're not saying toxic humans, you know, are poor qualities that's masculinity and something inherent about masculinity. There's a toxic expression of it.

I don't like that because I'm positive. I would bet, really, no positive, positively masculine male came up with this toxic masculinity. It was either a woman. or was wolf and sheep's clothing, as I like to call them. It's a socialist construct. Toxic masculinity is 100% of socialist construct. Yeah, it's absolutely insane because once you hijacked the conversation in that way,

then you don't leave. Let's put it like this. I would probably not give the term as much flag as I do if they had just as much of a concerted effort to discuss. positive masculine, but that's not a thing. And so it's like, we're going to highlight all these negative features of DOS and realize, and in doing so, not realize, that a lot of what you're determining is toxic is just how you feel about it.

It's not inherently toxic, it's how you feel about it. It's like that old joke, right? What's the difference between a bitch and a slut and a bitch, Right? That's like the joke. Some brings everyone at the party, bitch bangs everyone at the party but you. It's like it's, it's a joke, right? But the idea of the joke is that, okay,

you're using your feelings to determine what the words mean. And, okay, people do it all the time. But when they receive, when they, when they make it to cultural discourse to the level that they do, then you start, then you change everything. You get God's afraid to be, I don't want to say it free. But what we do see is that we got a lot of guys who are affected.

We're behind. I mean, in every metric of life, you know, we are behind women significantly. And look, I don't believe parity is ever possible. But for reference, when women were behind men and rates of graduation and salary and things like that in the 70s, the difference from parity in our direction are their direction how we're going to look at it is much smaller than the difference in parity now and the other way. We're further behind how we are.

They were just further behind. But no one wants to address that because, you know, $0.86. And that keeps getting paired, parrot it, parrot it, parroted it, parrot that now you can't even discuss what's really going on because you have bought into an old idea how reality was You haven't adapted, you haven't updated, because it's not in your interest to update it. So, yeah, when you ask me a thing that gets me passionate, you know, the hot topic, this is another one too because there were a lot of things I didn't have an opinion about. That's how I win a lot of the, or how I keep my sanity. I just don't have opinions on these things.

I don't think about them. Like trans issue, right? Wasn't really a thing for me to think about because whatever, right? And then I had a son. So now I got to think about a bunch of stuff. I got to think about a bunch of stuff and make sure and have very clear lines of like, okay, here's what's not going to happen. And if that means I got to lose a friend or two.

Now, fortunately, I don't think it would come to that, but that's like the idea because relationships are very important to me. But they're not more important than making sure that my offspring can live without me is a functional human being. That's how I define kind of raising your kid that, like, eventually they're able to continue without you, and they'll miss you, but,

but, you know, you don't, you don't leave too soon and make sure they're equipped to do with life. Yeah, my issue with equality, so, so,

so this idea of toxic empathy, right? I, I was interested, this is a concept that was also introduced to you about a year ago. Again, searching through, like,

where, how does someone take, post, modern liberal beliefs and actually believe that this is this is the way the world should work. Because I literally, I can't wrap my head around it. Like again, I don't, there's no receipts for the methodology that shows positive progress in any society, right? Like we're literally, if you go back and you find out where do these ideas come from,

they all come out of, you know, originally, originally from Marx and then they've been mutated and manipulated. And these ideas were applied to Russia and the Soviet. Union hasn't worked, fell apart, right? Cuba fell apart. Venezuela fell apart. Like, look at North Korea versus South Korea. I mean, there's just example after example after example of when you, when you put a quality of outcome versus equality of equity versus the quality of opportunity, right? When you miss, when you conflate those two things, your society falls apart. Because when you have driven hardworking people, like take Elon Musk, right?

Not a perfect human. I have to leave with that preference. However, the reason I think so many people dislike him is not because of anything he said or done. They're fucking jealous of this guy. They're jealous that a human being is willing to sleep on a cot in his workplace in order to do things that no other human has been able to do. Figure out EVs and make them and make them online.

At scale, affordable. Yeah, yeah, SpaceX, Solar City. He's got a whole digging company that no one talks about to reduce traffic and congestion in major cities. Like thing after thing after thing, he comes in and he finds all this waste, fraud, and abuse inside of our government through Doge, right? So when I look at it, when I think about this idea of where, why would you say everyone needs to be equal versus, which I would believe, I would believe if everyone could be equal, I'm all for it. Don't get me wrong. But what pisses me off about that philosophy is there's the only way to get there is to create a quality of opportunity.

And that's nobody on the postmodern liberal side talks about opportunity, right? Yeah. There are communities, both black communities and white communities where I live that nobody gives a shit about. Nobody, right? We want to prop everyone up. We want to send them free money and free food and all this. stuff, which if that helps them get out of the situation they're in, I am all for that. I'll donate as much as anybody.

I'll contribute. I'm all for that stuff. But behind that, nobody is helping them actually get out. No one's introducing the sports or fitness or education or entrepreneurial programs or mentorship programs. There's none of that shit. So it's like, okay, what you want to do is just hand people shit for free and but keep them in the little box that they're in.

that's what I hear when I hear that philosophy, and that's what pisses me off about it because every American should have the ability to get themselves out of wherever they start because we're not all going to start the same, but that's the shit that pisses me off. And to me, when I look at the individuals who are spouting this,

they're usually coastal, well-educated elites, right? So they're already in a place where they can spout this a lot of out. They're not actually living it. or it's someone in my mind who simply doesn't, who is jealous of the outcome, but unwilling to put the work in to get there. Yeah. And on top of that,

there's also the kind of PR side of it. It looks good to your group of people that are, you know, like you said, well, educated in the lead or like the group thing, you know, back what I was saying about how a lot of my thoughts took me in a different direction. It's amazing how, well, there's this assumption that because I'm black, I'm supposed

to think and fill a certain way, which is the exact opposite of diversity that purists into the word. So it's championing this surface level of diversity and not diversity of thought. As long as, you know, you can be different. Just don't be different in a way we, you know, in a way that pits you against our ideas and our beliefs. And I've always found that fascinating. Just how far people go to look the way they think they should look.

Yeah. To have the ideas that they think they should have and to fit in. Because I believe that that is a lot of it, too. I was just having a discussion with someone the other day about how they were pulled up the county-by-county win map for elections. And look, I have no idea. I go back and forth on it all the time about the validity of the 2020 election. What I won't do is call anyone who thinks it was ringed crazy because our country has a long history of manipulating outcomes. And it's nuts.

Like someone made a post on Twitter a few weeks ago, like, the CIA is wild because something will happen. You'll say it as conspiracy theory and everyone's like, yeah, you're crazy. Why would you think that a few years later the CIA comes out and goes, yeah, we did that shit. And then it just keeps going. But pulling up that back to that demographic map, kind of county by county, I was making a point. And I had to show my mouth. I was like, well, thank goodness for like the electoral college, because all a candidate would have to do is you win like the 10 major cities.

And not by a small margin, not by a major margin to secure the presidency because people in, in the, what, L.A., Sanfran, or the whole Bay Area, the northeast corridor, all the big cities are the 10 big cities in southern Texas. You end up with people who think the same by region. And that is so interesting to me because we were looking at a true difference of, like, thoughts and everything like that. You wouldn't expect to see it so uniformly represented. Every now and then you get a place that, like, turns. You know, like, I think Miami has a Republican mayor in that San Diego as well. But for the most part, this is a fairly consistent pattern. to keep appearances up and to fit in,

you adopt the beliefs of those around you. So what may have started is a bad idea only because no one else was willing to go, that's a really bad idea. Let's pull the rays back on that. It continues sticking around. I used to watch John Oliver right before I realized he was like crazy political

because I don't watch anything that's politically charged no matter how I feel. And my wife had pulled up a clip of his where he was talking about the, I can't remember the exact name of the bill in Florida, but it was the one that was called, don't say gay bill. That's what they were calling. And as he was breaking it down, I'm sitting there going, how could you be for this, though? Like, like, because the idea is that you're discussing, the bill will forbid the ability to discuss sex in classrooms. I thought it was all over school. Like, I thought it was everyone in school, right?

Turns out it was just people like in the third grade and below. And I said, that's nuts. Why would you like Lab Bastas? So I'm sitting here looking at him like Ladd Bastas and trying to find the logic behind it. And even if he did have some points, my issue is to not be willing to consider like why the other side thinks this way. And when people lose the ability to do that, they're absolutely dumbfounded. It's amazing how many people in 2016 couldn't believe Trump. What?

And I'm just sitting here on Twitter, you know, the months before going, I don't think you guys realize how most of the world thinks because you are insulated. I'm sitting on Twitter with, you know, over 100,000 followers going. Ah, and I see different things. I'm like, I don't think. And on the flip side, when 2020 is coming along, I thought way before anyone else and it was quite vocal about it, I thought Biden was going to win, not because he was a better candidate, but I thought people, I thought the, the powder keg was right and people were really out with droves. And this time, but this is super clear.

I mean, they're, but it's amazing how not clear it is to people who are like, like, if you can't admit that your strategy, that you're on the losing side, then you can't even come up with a strategy to rectify that. And we're talking about like a political campaign, but that idea applies to how we interact with everyone else. If you can't, if you can't understand why someone might have a problem with, but like, endorsing a, a trans person whose primary audience is children somehow anyway, then you are never going to be able to, like, we can't fix this. Like, we can't. And that's why I lose hope a lot of times is that to me, the answer for this part is painfully obvious.

Like, without getting into any type of restrictions on our freedoms. But the answer is painful obvious. We need to put as much time into educating young people on, as much time as we put in, like, teaching them, you know, math and history of science, all that's important. We also need to put a lot of time with teaching them how to think and have conversations and interact with the other person and really make that not just an afterthought, you know, is a thing you only bring up when it's a problem and disrupts learning experience. But it needs to be the learning experience, like how we talk to the other side. Because if you can do that, right, I think a lot of bad ideas get weeded out. But right now, what we have is a climate that led us back. That idea is just fester and grow.

And there's no way to beat them because if you attack them, you make them larger by the, by the, what the hell is their name? Strazan effect. And if you ignore them, then they blind sides. You ought to know. We're out of PTA conference, something like that. So you have to figure out. And there's no, there's no way to attack the idea.

We got to hope that smart people. And unfortunately, there are enough smart people and enough organizations on part of one builders that are like going, hey, we need to start talking to the next generation. You can't really do anything about old. I mean, some of them will come around. But if you teach kids how to like interact and learn from one another and be curious and then challenge ideas and not be so damn butt hurt when they're bad ideas or just show them how ideas work. I mean, that's the only way out. That's how I feel. I mean, I wish there was a...

I'm with you, dude. And as far as the parenting thing goes, and I'm going to take a direct shot at everyone who's listening who's a parent who abdicates their responsibility to be a fucking parent. Like, you need to talk to your children. You need to interact with them. You need to discuss what are you doing at work? Why are you making the decisions?

Like, I discuss everything with my children. Like, like, you know, and I know they get sick of it sometimes. And I can tell when you're... when they're zoning me out and their freaking kids are 11 and 9. But we have like deep discussions about stuff. And I ask them questions and how do you feel about this? And how would you handle this? And you know, right now sports are big in their life because again,

they're 9 and 11. So like I put a lot of things in context of sports. And, you know, but if we're not engaging with our kids, if we just shove them off on the coach at the sporting event and go sit in a chair stare at our phone. And every time they look over to see if you're watching, your face is buried in a phone. guess what they think, right?

They think you don't give a shit. They stop listening. You know what I mean? They start acting out. Now their ears are open to anyone who will talk to them because you're not talking to them. You're not engaging with them. So now you're opening the door to crazy assholes who may have an agenda shoving shit in your kids' brains that you don't agree with. But hey, you advocated that responsibility by checking out and spending more time with your phone than you do with your kids.

There's a great in that organization I was talking about. a guy Tony McAleer. And Tony is a former neo-Nazi who left the life behind and not really devotes his life to making people curious and ask questions so bad ideas don't continue and we can decrease polarization. And he was telling a story of one of our calls about he used to do gang intervention stuff too. And he was saying, my mother contacted him and said that her son has been she found that our son was on um i can't remember one of the big white transparency forms but she's like we don't raise him like that we don't bring that around this stuff we don't know how it came we know how he got to it we just need some help and he

was talking to him when he discovered though is that those people in that form treated her son better than any of the other kids at school and And so that opened up this gate of like, or I got a group I can belong to. This is like how gangs work in general. It's like, okay, you got this broken situation. Nobody, clearly your father don't give a shit about your parents around.

Come, Nause, we'll take care. All you gotta do is sell your soul basically and possibly your life. And understand, like you make that connection on a broader level, like, yeah, If you're not involved with your children's life, that trickles a cascade effect. I'm writing a speech right now about this whole idea of personal leadership. And it's like the butterfly effect that starts with what you do, with what you do,

and then how that extends to the rest of your community, if you're not involved with your children's life, you're teaching them how to, not only you're teaching them how to interact with people, but you're not teaching them how to interact with people. And then they're going to end up, you know, pissing somebody off or their bull. or teasing some kids at school and you get enough weak-minded kids who've done that because their parents have not been present, then you end up creating another kid who's going underground to these forms, who's joining gangs, things like that because he feels like, oh, they get him,

they understand them. Now, they have nefarious, outright, hostile purposes for your child, but it was your job, you know, and you left it, you left it up the chance, hopefully it would happen. Yeah. And this extends. to every aspect of our life. Like, you know, if you're normally listening to this show and you like the entrepreneurial business shit, guys, like what we're talking about is not relegated to our personal lives or our relationship with our children or our spouse,

this goes for everything. You know, one of the biggest changes. So I had a lot of things going on in my life back in like 2016, 2017, and, you know, I was traveling too much. And my kids were young and I wasn't spending time with them. And I wasn't connecting with my wife. And, you know, I was, drinking too much and beer out at conferences and, you know, you're doing all this different

stuff. And thank God I avoided most of the major mistakes. I never cheated and didn't know anything that. But, but in terms of relationally to my business, I became very selfish. I became very self-oriented. It was about my persona, my brand. Um, yeah, I wasn't. Okay. And this idea of, of, of intentionality, right? Like, it literally changed the course of my life. And I have to give credit and I've talked about I'm a thousand times in this show, Jordan Peterson for this because I read 10 Rules for Life. And that book was like a starting point. I'm not going to say that it's a be all end all of all books on personal responsibility

and intentionality, but it started me down this path. And I started saying myself, like, if you can just be intentional with your actions, it doesn't mean every decision you make, every action you make is the right decision. You have to give yourself grace for that. And that's where, you know, I'm God-fearing guy, I'm a Christian. you know, that's where like, you know, a relationship of God can really help and giving yourself grace and love and peace. But be intentional.

Either the world, either you dictate to the world or the world dictates to you. I mean, that's, that's my football coach, you know, so I played football in high school, loved football. I ended up getting injured or I probably would have played in college. I ended up playing baseball in college. But, like, my football coach used to always say, he dictates to you or you dictate to him and it's your decision. Yeah, that's it, right?

I'm assuming the same thing is true with Bob. I was just talking about that. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I would love, you know, for you to maybe break this down and show how this has worked in your life. And particularly, you know, I'm such a huge advocate for sports, especially sports with contact, because you learn who you are, right? When you, when you have to, you know, when, you know, I never boxed, I do boxing for

fitness, but I've never box box. when you try to tackle someone, you know, so I was a middle linebacker, and you come around a corner and you square up with that running back, either you're tackling him or he's mowing you down. And sometimes, and it goes both ways. You can be at the top of your game and some guy just catches you. And now you're pulling your dick up out of the dirt.

And you've got to brush yourself off. And it's the next play. And that guy's walking back to the huddle with a big ass smile on his face because he just mowed you down. And now you've got to go do it again. And you learn about yourself in these moments, like, am I a person who is willing to take that hit and get back up and go do, because he may do that shit to me again.

And I got to go do it because this is my job. This is why I'm clear. And that, like, it is so important for us to test ourselves, I guess. And I get so concerned with safe environments, like, like this idea of safe, safe. Like, obviously, I don't, I'm not an advocate for violence. like random negative way. But like, our world is not safe. So why do we create these incredibly safe,

these vanilla whitewashed fucking environments for our kids? And then we put them out in the world and we wonder why they can't handle adversity. You, man, Dr. John Haidt writes about this in the codilitar of the American mind where he's talking about like the overparenting and the safe issues. And what it does is it creates, yeah, it creates children who are not, who don't realize they won't break.

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Like a hyper, it triggers a hyper response because it's not, they haven't tested themselves. And it's, you know, the lack of lack of context. sports right there is that or like you know one example i like to give that is completely uh outside the physical realm you know you're 44 i'm 40 when we were growing up if we wanted to talk to a girl we had to like go we had to get asked for our own phone okay and and sometimes that went well sometimes you got cloned and everybody else knew and then if it went well then you had to call and when you called, you probably had to talk to her father or her mother first,

and then they got passed through on the phone. And then they might have been listening on the phone, too. It could have been crazy. But all of that is, like, that's a resilience, rejection, that's a resilience building activity where you face the possibility of rejection or embarrassment of multiple instances. And it doesn't stop when you get older. The only difference is now you don't have to deal with.

It actually gets harder because even though you don't have to deal with parents, now you've got to, like, go approach her directly under no pretense a lot of times. So how contrast that to today? You just slide in somebody's DM. You don't have to ever, you don't even have to ask them for their phone number. You just send their message. You don't have to do any of this hard stuff that forces you to face the possibility of being outwrecked and getting your feelings heard a little bit.

And I think that stuff is formative. It's not quite a right of passage. But in many ways, it triggers the same type of, or a similar type of, okay, this did not kill me. I'm going to be all right. You know, you get your heart broken. I used to say growing up, you know, if you can get your heart broken, you get it broken when you're young because you might need to nurse those wounds and figure things out. And it's better to do it when you ain't got to go to work the next day. You got, you know, people to feed.

Stuff like that. If you don't, if you don't experience these things growing up, it kills you when it happened or even younger. You know, we let them get his skinned knees. We were so excited he got his first skin knee because my kids a lot, my wife. He had a lot younger. He's two and a half. He's running around walking.

And, you know, you got the conflict. And I say this in the most positive terms, conflict with the mother. But she wants to keep him safe. I'm like, no, you know, listen, go scare your knees and climb up, climb up the thing. We'll figure it out. Now, I'm not going to let you do something that's going to get you killed. And then that's how I'll everything.

Okay, well, let's kill him. Yes or no. If no, all right. All right. Will he be seriously injured if it goes poorly? If no, all right, continue. And then it's someone else going to get hurt. If no, all right, this is great.

And it's amazing when you have that check down, it's like, all right. You know, because it's not that I want him to get hurt, but I know that he needs to, like, get hurt. It needs to experience. That's why, like, I'm probably not going to push my son to compete because competition for boxing, especially when you get past the local level is, I mean, it's like all sports. It's a lifestyle, but I don't like other sports, you know, the goal is to hurt the other person. There's no penalties for hands and face or unnecessary roughness. It's like this is a real game or a real, real thing. But he will absolutely be in the boxing gym and will learn how to fight and learn how to train.

Not just for the physical stuff, right? Not just to learn what it takes to be hit and all that, right? But also, you know, to feel that pressure because a boxing ring is an inch, it's a lonely place. And it's the worst kind of lonely. Normally when we think about lonely, you're by yourself. There ain't nobody around. No, you're up there by yourself in the ring, but everyone else is looking at you, right? Buddy of mine said it best.

You know what, Boxes is the best sport? Because if you're out a, if you're out a basketball game and a fight breaks out in the stands, everyone looks at the fight. He stops looking at the game. It's like that. It's like that way. So that's what fighting is. Everyone's intense on you. So you're all right to deal with that.

You're not how to deal with. It's also the closest I can get him to my life growing up without him having to live my life growing up. Because the boxing gym is like, you ever see John Wick and they got the concept of the Continental? No business. No business is the Continental, right? Can't kill nobody, nothing like that. The boxing is kind of like that. You could get the, you know, drug dealers, cops, everything all in the same place, working our training.

And nobody, as long as you don't do any business on the premises, nobody's doing anybody. You know, obviously if he kills somebody and they find out. you there. But like, for the most part, it's, it's an environment where you get to, you get to touch the street, but not be in the street. And that's, I need him to see that as well. Because we, like, like, bro, I live in the suburbs. Sometimes I forget lock my door at night. That's not a good thing. That makes me nervous. But sometimes I forget. But I, like, you know, if somebody came in here, you know, that, that's a different thing. But, like, it's not a worry, like, when I live in the middle of the city. And we know our neighbor and it's friendly and I ain't got to worry about him

getting his ass kicked on the way somewhere when he grows up. Stuff like that. A point is it's very different than how I. And how I grew up did build some lessons, but at what cost. And so I got to figure out how to get him those lessons without the cost. Dude, it's that I struggle with the same thing, you know, like, I remember walking around my town at 12 years old. And I was blessed in that I had two parents that loved me, right? So I consider that that's a blessing. That's the biggest blessing. They were divorced, but thankfully lived in the same town, different sides, but, you know, whatever. But in its tiny little town, I mean, it was just 900 people in my town. So it's not like, you know, different sides was like a five minute walk. But my point is like every male role model,

in my life was either a drug addict, a criminal, or an alcoholic, right? And I remember walking around my shitty little town with one stoplight, two gas stations, that was it, right? We're 30 minutes from the closest city. I just remember looking around being like, I got to get the fuck out of here. Like, I'm sick of fighting with the kids that have nowhere. They're not going anywhere, right? So they're always looking for the kids that are maybe a little more put together trying to get at

them and, you know, this constant conflict and all this kind of stuff. stuff and, you know, I'm, I'm just looking at it going, you know, I got to get out. And all the hardship from that, right? The getting beat up. They're riding the bus and kids pinning you in the back and having to fight your way out and, you know, school shit and in all this. Like, I don't want my kids. There's a part of me that doesn't want my kids in any way to have to go through

that shit. And again, I live in the suburbs now too. So it's not even as much of possibility. I mean, they go to Catholic school for Christ's sake. So that all being said, there's also a part of me that says when my first company didn't work and I had to restart, when I got fired from a job that I absolutely, absolutely adored. And it was my fault. I had to come back from like, like I have built this resilience in my life that allows me for whatever reason to keep coming back. And a lot of that is because I learned I freaking had to. Like you said and you've written about and I think it's phenomenal. Like, no. Nobody is coming to save you. Now, unfortunately, for kids that grow up in the suburbs, and this is the part that I so relate to what you're going through,

when you grow up in the suburbs and everything's safe and you have money to pay for shit, there is always someone coming to save these kids. Yeah. And when they, when it and this is the part that scares me is like, once they get thrown out into the world, that no longer is true. That's no longer true. And,

and they're going to have to dissect good. idea, bad idea, good opportunity, bad opportunity. Do I keep going or do I quit? You know, like, you know, am I, can I be confident? Can I be my own person? Can I stand on my own two feet? Can I manifest whatever, you know, whatever ideas or goals I have in my life? And, and that comes from getting the shit kicked out of you, not always physically, but having bad things happen. Like, bad things have to happen to you to go through the experience of generating the skills to come back from that. And I feel like today, because we've created such safe environments,

and this goes for organizations as well. I mean, look at all these organizations that are killing their DEI programs and killing all these safety net programs right now. Granted, I understand why those exist because there are racist fuckheads out there that will make bad decisions. But again, here's my thing. I've never understood racism. And some of it is maybe just because, like I played sports

and there were brown and purple and yellow and white and tall and fat and we didn't give a shit as long as you were all pointing the same direction. So maybe that's some of that. But also, like, if you go back to this living in reality concept, DEI doesn't work because not everyone is equal, right? Right. Racism also doesn't work because that doesn't allow you to capture the best and bring them into your organization.

So it's like I get this move, but I'm super interested in this in your take because you're a black dude, right? like I had a buddy of mine, a good friend, actually big, big podcaster as well. And he's a black guy. And we were talking a little bit about this. And I was like, dude, I fell. And again, I'm a white dude.

I'm six foot four. You know, it's not a lot of like racist shit coming at me. You know what I mean? So I understand. I never really lived that. You know, like I was fat when I was younger. So I kind of understand being singled out for the way you look, but completely different.

I'm not even trying to relate that. I understand a little. But, you know, in the in the, In the 90s in early 2000s, I felt like culturally, like, not that we had it figured out, figured out, but like kind of it wasn't, like it isn't like, it feels like we've taken a big swing back. Like, like, yeah, there were, yeah, there were some racist assholes, but we all kind of like when we found them, we kind of like carve them out and push them. Yeah, it was like, it was like, oh, you're racist. What's wrong what you like kind of do? Yes, but I feel like we've now like swung back to all of a sudden. It's like I look around and I'm like, like, because I'm a white dude, I'm, like, racist now.

I don't, I don't understand that. Like, I don't even, like, I guess I just, like, do you feel like we've swung back? Do you think that's just a narrative that have placed upon us? Like, here's my thought process about, about all of this, all on the racism side of it. You got to accept an uncomfortable truth. And once you accept that, then you can deal with this, like everything. Once you accept reality, you can do it. And the uncomfortable truth is,

There are really two here. One, there will always be someone who is racist. And when I say racist, I want to be very specific. There will always be someone who makes their decisions solely based on race or makes an important decision that affects other people, and they will consider race over merit. or any inequality over merit, right? There's the first one.

The second one you got to accept is that that's kind of our nature. That doesn't mean it should be tolerated or accepted, but that's just, we have an in-group preference, and not only that, but that combines with how our brains try to take shortcuts. Oh, man, you know, for the four to five last guys who beat my ass with black, they're something wrong with black people, right? That's kind of how our brains work. That's a simple example, but you get how that extends to like all things.

Once you accept those two things, then you can formulate a strategy to deal with it. And you can do a few things, some of which work. Like we were talking about DER, I have been relatively vocally. I would not put this in the category of Hill, I will dial. But it's probably a hell out final for a little while that I think DIA has done more harm than good. Now, before I say why, let me jump back and make sure to anybody listen. It's very clear. There was very much time in our country where we absolutely needed concepts like affirmative action.

I need people to understand that. But this is a lot like that stat about women are in the less than men. once we move past it we have to update or we end up pissing the other side off and swinging back and this is why this actually leads nicely was not intentional what my issue with a lot of not all but a lot of de i is people do not appreciate like you were saying just now you didn't even realize it maybe that even in some of the language shows like i'm a white guy on racist, people don't realize that when you decide to single out a group, specifically to boast of them, okay, I think a lot of people have no problem with that initially.

But when the stats start looking different and people's lived experiences start looking different than what you're supposedly battling against and you start to go on the offensive, you know, I never forget times somebody to start talking about anti-racism. I was like, bro, isn't that just like not being racist? It's like, no, no, no, you got to, what you do is you fester resentment in the people who are supposed to like, well, they're not supposed to do anything really. But when you tell them, I guess, when you tell them we're doing this to make things more equal, I don't think people have a problem with that when you're dressing up in that good language. When you start to actively exclude them, well, what you're doing is racism. Now, no cause the racism, or at least not at the institutional level, but it is in the pure sense.

Like when you start to exclude basal race, but for a different reason, this is only for black people. Okay, some things we did need at some point, but we start saying that we're going to make our mission based on race. When merit is the only thing down, well, now we're assuming that, you know, that the white, guy was less qualified or whatever. This was like the whole problem with affirmative action at one point is that people started to feel like merit was being given second place for race. When things get out of hand, I think we need to step in and correct. I think that's one of the things, one of the functions the government should do. And sometimes, I won't even say sometimes. I actually think they've done a great job legislating away a lot of things that could

have contributed the systemic racism and it takes some generations or a generation to trickle down in particular when I'm talking about the Warren Court, the Warren Supreme Court and a lot of rulings they made that have fundamentally shaped the way the country looks now. I really believe that. With that said, now, there comes a point where you have to let people be people. And when I say that, you have to hope that all the changes you've made on progress you've made sticks and that the cultural attitude is different now. And if people step out of line, you have to push them back in line viciously. But when you start to mandate that people need to behave a certain way and your language is also racist. Like, if you just swap out black with white, you know, or white with black in some cases,

you don't matter what, it's still just as racist. But they don't know. They're the majority. They can't be racist. I'm like, no, it's still racism. Then you have a problem. So I've had this discussion with, mainly with people who disagree. And those are the people you should have discussions with if you're trying to sharpen your thought process.

And I will fully admit, I've become a bit more refined about. it over time, but my general point still stands that after some point, if you want the progress to continue, you have to have faith in people to uphold it. When you start to come up with the heavy hand of bureaucracy, and there's no reason to. Now, maybe there were, maybe there was a reason. Maybe all of a sudden, you know, people were being discriminated against. But it's also just as likely that for whatever reason, back to the opportunity thing we were talking about, the people who were getting the opportunities to develop the skill sets, they weren't being denied that.

Or they didn't have that. I wouldn't even say being denied. They weren't given access to it. So I think it's a complex problem, but the simple, the simple heavy-handed solution of mandating quotas, that if there's one thing that, I don't think it's like basic economics. We'll say economics 201, 202 teaches.

When you mandate things and don't let the market adjust on its own, you end up with either or you usually end up with a shortage. Rarely do you end up with a surplus, at least not a positive one. And I think the same thing applies to cultural ideas, in particular how we treat people. If you want people to treat each other well and you mandate it, you're going to end up with less people treating it or the well, if for no other reason, then there's no, it's subjective.

There's no objective measure, and it leaves open a lot of, it leaves open a lot of ways for people to, to overtly take advantage, and then covertly, that resentment builds. I'm well aware of this, and I don't know why, and I seem to be one of the only people who, who has thought about it this way, at least when I see a lot of a pushback. So maybe I'm completely wrong on this.

But I 100% believe that if you continue to make white guys feel like there's something wrong with them for being white, you're going to see the same thing happen with white people that you see with white men, or our men in general telling them that there's something wrong with them for being men. we've seen the rise of the red pill in the mandosphere and a lot of the more, and I hate, I won't even use the word, the more destructive influences that have taken advantage of the malaise of young men because they're being told something's wrong with them. And women have all these advantages and the numbers don't paint that picture at all. And so they don't feel like anyone understands them. So they get driven into your favorite, your favorite masking influencer who is just spouting a lot,

maybe some good things, but the least under that is this vein of hate and not so self-development. And on top of it, is profiting heavily from it. Yeah. You end up with the exact same thing. That story I told you really about the kid

who ended up in the white supremacy forms, you'll do the same thing. And people are like, oh, bring it out in public so we can see it. Like, do you understand how the internet works? Like, that's not, that ain't how it works anymore. The rules of change. People, they're not updating their software.

All of that to say, in general, I think a lot of the DEA mandates will do more harm than good. And it won't be immediate. It will be long term. and by the time we finally start to see it, we'll be like, oh, I don't know why all of a sudden 50% of Americans think that, you know, black should have their own city. I have no idea why they think that.

Well, it took 20, 30, 40 years, but sure enough. Just like it took, when did the Loving v. Virginia, 67, right? Are you familiar with that case, right, where it was legal? The Supreme Court finally said, yo, interracial marriage is okay. Like, like, because some states that it was cool, some hadn't, but it wasn't federal.

And the Supreme Court Hopkins and it goes, all right, this is straight. That was 67. Now, if you say something to somebody about being in an interracial relationship, they're like, what's like, whoa, you're racist, what's wrong with you? But how long did that take? I remember when I was in high school day in white girls, and I was getting looks or someone would say something if the girl was white. So 20 years ago.

So it was old, 60. 70, well, I was in high school in the 2000, so we got another 30 years. And now it's like an accepted attitude. No one bad to not. Obviously, you got some guys, you know, are some people who have their preference, and there ain't nothing wrong with your preference. But in terms of like an outright vitriot of the concept of interracial marriages or them being shown in the media, that's gone.

It's almost a, almost a complete relic of the past. And you've got to let that happen. but the other thing can happen just on just the same timeframe, a negative attitude, and that's how we'll regress. Yeah. I look at this stuff and I'm like,

there should be one filter. American, not American. Right. What was what we had? Well, when was the country the most united? And this is on a philosophical idea, I guess, or psychological. What were we like most united recently

after the 9-11 attacks? it was no longer we're targeting blacks. No, it was they attacked us in a vicious, vicious public, obvious way. And that's an unfortunate quirk of human psychology. People unite much more easily around a common enemy than a common ally. And I wish it wasn't that way, but it is.

You know, you want to see world peace. World peace will happen when the aliens invade. absolutely agree with all the crazy shit that's been coming out lately that might be happening sooner rather than later Oh man

You know just as a side know I mean my background I want to school for physics Let me tell you something If an alien species Makes contact whatever they have the technology There ain't shit we can do I mean like

It's I saw one guy right about it It'd be like when you find an ant hill. Well, you might not even find an ant hill. You might step over and squash it and not even realize it was there. That's like the level of technological difference required because we can't. It takes a six months to get to Mars at this point. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll leave you with this. There's this clip that I found on Instagram and it's this guy from Eastern Europe. And he starts the clip with this, this Yahoo dude from. I'm assuming the Midwest in the country, and he's rigged out his, I think it's a charger, and maybe a Mustang, a sports car, and he's running it off a two outboard motorboat engines. And this thing's, you know, and he's got the American flag coming out the back. And, you know, he's bombing this thing around, whatever.

And this European dude, you know, and he's got the accent and he, you know, he's kind of broken English. and he goes, this is what Americans do when they're bored on a Saturday. He goes, he goes, I don't, I don't know that it's the best idea to fuck with these people. And I was like, this is the beauty. Like, why don't we embrace this?

Like, people look at that and like, some country bumpkin, you know, whatever. And I'm like, he put two outboard, 400 horsepower outboard engines where the engine of his car should have been and he's bombing around in an old Mustang. Like, that's fucking amazing. Like, that's who we,

are we are innovators where we're ambitious and and and driven and crazy i mean americans are great and i'm hoping for a day when we can get and fully embrace the full spectrum of just banana shit that we can come up with because of the diversity the the the experiences the education the communication the you know what i mean like that's the stuff that i'm hoping someday we can grab onto because it's just not possible anywhere else. Like that's what I feel like so many people in the states have lost sight of is, is there's a level of entitlement that I just simply, I can't even tolerate it.

Like we hit, I don't care where you were born and what shitty ass situation you were born into. By being born in this country right now, you hit a birth freaking jackpot. You know, Because you're, you born in that shitty situation, any other country, you're fucked, right? My most popular video on my YouTube channel is what growing up on the projects taught me about why people stay poor. And I start that out saying that I grew up as poor as you can grow up in America.

I was very clear because, you know, I know, I go on to talk about going through, through Puerto Palata in the Dominican Republic and seeing like houses, there are no floors, it's just mud, and whenever it rains, it washes away, and then seeing the shanty towns outside of Mexico City and stuff like that. I lived in Portugal for a while, and that's a pretty nice country, but there's still places like when you're poor, you're really, really poor. And it's a very different kind of opportunity we have here. Oh, and, and we, and we, got a lot of support. You know, if you have kids in this country and you don't have health insurance, you get

out of, at least in PA, we call it chip. I don't know what it is in New York, but it's a, your kid gets health care. Like, we're, we have a lot of opportunity here. We have a surplus. It's, it's easy to, if you hustle, you can do anything. And I'm not talking about that old, pull your bootstrap up deal, but Like, you know, you can make, you can go find any job. You're healthy, right?

If you're not healthy, that's a different issue. But if you're healthy, you know, you ain't never out the game. There's always something you can do even with just manual labor. And there's so many opportunities. And back to your point about the quality of opportunity versus, I always say outcome versus opportunity. And I think a lot of the postmodern liberalism and that, and which gets its roots from a lot of the marks and stuff,

they focus on the equality of outcome, and you can't do that, because then you disincentivize people to go through the process to take opportunity. But there's so much opportunity here. People still, even with the craziness that the media portrays of our country, through people still want to come here. And I know this. This isn't me speculating and just spouting off

numbers are spouting off like talking points in the media. My wife was the assistant director of international missions at Duquesne University here in Pittsburgh. And so I know they, the Chinese Saudis, Central America, they're sending their kids here if they have the money. And They're not even a big. I mean, Duke, O'Anne Cain's not a big school, but it's an inexpensive school. And so I know that this is still a place people want to come to and people want to be. And we don't appreciate that a lot, I think. I think, let's put it like this.

I was one of those guys for a while. I was like, oh, man, I can't wait to get out the country, you know, dude, and get away from America. And this was me at one point. And then I spent a lot, especially with a lot. last 10 years. I spent a lot of time out of the country. I lived in another country. And I'm just like, you know, America's great. This is no other way around it.

Oh, it's got its problems. No one is going to say America doesn't have its problems. But what you have to accept, and back to this reality thing, what you've got to accept is that you're going to have problems everywhere. How big are those problems versus the opportunities? When you start doing it that way, because look, it's easy to be excited about anything when you focus only on the upside. Super easy.

It's when you start comparing the downside, you go, okay, well, do I want, for example, this is a funny thing. No disrespect anybody living in Portugal, because for the most part, it is a great, clean, efficient. Well, actually, efficient is probably a bit of a strong word. It's a great country. But we lived in a suburb of Lisbon. And this is Lisbon, man. This is the biggest, this is the capital. It's the suburbs.

It's a great thing. There was dog shit everywhere on the sidewalk. And I was just like, huh? And that's just what people do. And I asked my, because it's Portuguese. I'm like, what it is? It's just how it goes. I'm like, okay.

Compare that to like here, you know, somebody will kick your ass if you, like, let your dog shit and don't pick it up. Like, people police that stuff. It's just, but on the flip side. I got real sick over there once. I had to go to the hospital and the ER whole nine. I got, and then we go to check out the hospital and they give us the bill. They don't mail it to us to give us the bill.

It's $125 for an ER visit. 125 euros. There's a trade-off. I mean, it's, what do you accept? What that's saying, you know, the hospital, we had not had to go to a hospital before. And so we kind of picked one out of a hat. There were two, and we chose the one. Turns out we chose the public hospital, not the private one.

And the public hospital, that was an experience. I could dive into that. But look, let's just say in America, our hospitals are a lot closer to hotels. I didn't realize that. I thought that was just normal until I went to a hospital in another country. You don't want to stay. You know, you're not going to die. They're going to take care of you, but you're not like, let me get some food in a cafeteria.

What cafeteria? Hey, dude, this has been a tremendous conversation. The book is Hard Lessons from the Hurt Business coming out right around this episode. I'm going to drop it on the day. So, guys, today, today the book is live on Amazon. We're going to have links. Scroll down whether you're watching on YouTube, listen to wherever, scroll down, or just go to Amazon.

Highly recommend. I purposely stayed away from the book in our conversation because I wanted people to see all the other sides of you. So that day, when they get to this book, they know exactly what they're getting, the type of guy behind what you're teaching. Dude, I think the world of your work, I said at the beginning, I've been a fan for a long time

ever since I heard you on James Altichard, and it's been such a pleasure to spend time with you today, my friend. Hey, I appreciate that, man. And you know what? Because I have no idea what, like, other podcasts, host and guests do. But you're probably one of the first guy, if not the first guy, who was like, we stayed away from the book. I was sitting here like half right through going,

you're going to talk about the book at all? But then I was like, okay, this is a good strategy. You know, I don't, logic, the white rapper, Logic, he's got this song, 44 bars, and he says, this week is looking crazy due to high demand because people in this day and AIDS don't buy music, they buy the bread. And he's talking about him. Like, the songs are great, but it's him. him that moves everything. Zubi's got a very similar concept too,

talking to him about how he's sold his independent music. It's like me, the music is an extension. So, so, you know, it's cool that you recognize that. Well, hey, man, I just, I could talk to you for another two hours, but I want to be respectful of your time and of the audiences. Besides getting the book, if people want to get deeper into your world, what's the best way to do that? Oh, you know, before I would say follow me on Twitter, man, but I've been blowing up on YouTube. I'm really having a good time over there.

Yeah. And yeah, because I'm Ed Lattimore everywhere. Ed Lattimore on Instagram, on Twitter. My website is Ed Latimore.com. And my YouTube, you know, you're typing YouTube at Lattimore, but I had to get Ed Lattimore once and a weirdo took it before I could. So, yeah, well, but that's how you follow me, man. Really, I hate to say it because it sounds so self-important, but just Google.

And I'll pop up. I'll leave you with this. So there are about seven other adult Ryan Hanley's around my age in the world. And I have gotten messages from the other six. They all started as hate messages at first. Like, I can't get on the first page of Google for whatever their thing was because I just like took over. You know, so if you Google Ryan Hanley,

I'm basically all, you know, Google search doesn't look the same now. But I was like all 10 for years and years. And then they all finally started going, Hey man, like, how do I do this thing where I can get on there too? Like, what are you doing? Like, it was funny. And I've, like, made friends with a couple of them now, like the other Ryan Hanley's, you know, because I can't get found.

But it's a, it's a doggy dog game for that Google search space. So more power to you for getting it. Dude, keep doing you. I appreciate you so much. You got an open invitation to come back anytime you want. I know the book's going to be a huge success. And I know the audience is going to love it. So thank you for your time today.

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