First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show - BONUS - To Catch A Cheater - THE FINALE - Matt’s Double Life Finally Unravels

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

After four days of lies, cover-ups, and chaos, The Jubal Show finally gets Matt on the phone—and it’s everything we hoped for. Taylor, his girlfriend of three years, and Samantha, his wife of five years, join forces to confront him with the truth: they both know about each other… and they know he's not in California or New York like he claimed—he’s in Tucson. Things spiral when Matt tries to deny it all, only to admit he’s been cheating on both of them with a third woman he lives with in Arizona. From fake work trips to full-blown gaslighting, this episode has it all. The women are done, the drama is real, and Matt’s entire web of lies finally collapses. If you’ve been following this saga all week, you do not want to miss this moment. Think your partner might be up to something shady? The Jubal Show has you covered. In this explosive segment, The Jubal Show helps suspicious lovers uncover the truth by setting up the ultimate loyalty test. We call their significant other, posing as a grocery store’s floral department offering a free bouquet. You know.. a War of the Roses. The catch? Who they choose to send the flowers to—and what they write on the card—could reveal everything. Will it be a romantic gesture for their partner or a shocking betrayal? Get ready for twists, surprises, and jaw-dropping confrontations as we help our listeners get the answers they deserve. Subscribe to The Jubal Show's To Catch A Cheater / War of the Roses.➡︎ Get on The Jubal Show with your story - https://thejubalshow.com This is just a tiny piece of The Jubal Show. You can find every podcast we have, including the full show every weekday right here…➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com/podcasts The Jubal Show is everywhere, and also these places: Website ➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com  Instagram ➡︎ https://instagram.com/thejubalshow  X/Twitter ➡︎ https://twitter.com/thejubalshow  Tiktok ➡︎ https://www.tiktok.com/@the.jubal.show Facebook ➡︎ https://facebook.com/thejubalshow  YouTube ➡︎ https://www.youtube.com/@JubalFresh  Support the show: https://the-jubal-show.beehiiv.com/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So Matt and I have been together for like three years, but only have been living together for like three years, but only have been living together for like six months. And he recently got a job promotion that has had him travel a lot. And he came on to like perfume and now I'm concerned. No Taylor like I'm not cheating on you. Like this isn't anything devious I'm trying to do. Yeah, like I love you and I want to be with you forever.

And I know we'll get through this in a moment. Okay, I'm just, I'm so sorry. I'm thinking that you would have cheated on me. And then right after we hung up with Taylor, this happened. Samantha? Hi, yes. I've been trying to call in this like entire time.

Okay. What's that? So that sounds identical to my, no, that, that is my husband. What? That's my, I'm like, I'm so confused. I'm shaking. I don't know what's going on. I, I don't know why my husband's on the radio with you guys.

So the call that we just did with. Yeah. And then he's saying he's saying he's married to this woman. I don't understand. That's my husband. And then we got the two of them on the phone. They compared notes and it's the same guy. So yesterday we tried to call him and have them confront him

but then this happened. Hey, I was looking for Matt. Oh, Matt must be the owner of this phone. I work at Jamba Juice and somebody left his phone here maybe an hour ago. And so I was answering it hoping it was the person. Jamba Juice in what city? Tucson, Arizona. Campbell Plaza. Oh, what the f*** is Matt doing in Arizona?

So now we don't even know why he's in Tucson. Why? When he told Samantha, his wife of five years, that he's in California, and Taylor, his girlfriend of three years, that he's in New York, he's in Tucson. And so we set it up today where we know we'll get him on the phone because this happened. A lot of people want follow-ups to catch a cheater, especially when they're happy. They want to check in on the happy couple. Right. I email him today and say, hey, we want to do a follow-up with you that way. He knows he's talking to the show

He's gonna answer the phone. Okay, we want to get you on and we want to talk about how great it is to celebrate non-cheaters Yeah, get him on So producer Brad sent the email saying that we're gonna check in with him and Taylor and Taylor you're there, right? Yeah, okay. So Taylor's there Samantha. You're there. Yep. Okay, and Producer Brad sent the email seems all good. Yeah, I heard back everything. Okay all good to go. Okay All right so we're about to call him and do a cute little check-in to see how things are going and then Let you talk to him for a things are going and then let you

talk to him for a little bit, Taylor. And then I think it should go like, Taylor, you can bring on Samantha whenever you feel like you guys can do whatever you want. Go at him. Yeah. Are you guys, are you guys ready? How do you feel? I feel I'm ready to just let him have it. Like I have all this energy and like I've been, you know, haven't been able to tell him about it. So like I'm, I'm, I'm ready to just let him have it. Like, I have all this energy and like, I've been, you know, haven't been able to tell him about it. So, like, I'm ready to just like, hear what he has to say and just..

He is gonna be shook. I'm dying to hear what he has to say too, because it's gonna be hilarious. I mean, this dude has been cheating on his wife for five years with his girlfriend of three years. He's told him he's a different place. He's in Tucson.

We know all that. And he's about to find out that both of them know everything. Okay, you guys ready? Yeah. Yeah. All right, we're gonna play a song, come back and make our call in here to catch Cheater next.

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the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Right in the middle of To Catch a Cheater. And if you're just joining us, this has been a four day long thing of us trying to get this guy Matt on the phone because we did a To Catch a Cheater with Taylor, his

girlfriend of three years. They just moved in together six months ago the other day, and seemed like everything was fine. Right after we hung up with Taylor, Samantha called in, and Samantha is the dude's wife. She's like, I recognize that voice, that's my husband of five years.

We got the two of them on the phone, they compared notes, and it is that guy. And yesterday we tried to call him with both of them, and he told his wife that he's in California in San Diego And he told Taylor that he's in New York, but we called and he left his phone at a Jamba Juice in Arizona like what out of all the places to get caught so he's in Tucson, Arizona right now But we told him today we wanted to get him back on the phone So we could do it check in a little update with him and Taylor because it was so cute. Mm-hmm

So so cute. Yeah, so first when we call him Taylor We'll just play it off like it's the little update thing and then you can bring on Samantha whenever you want. Okay? Okay. All right. You ready you guys ready? Ready. Yeah, here we go Yeah, here we go Hello, hey Matt, what's up? Thanks for getting back on the phone with us man Yeah, sure thing so you have you haven't listened back to the to catch a cheer that we did with you from the other day Or anything like that? No, no

Yeah, well we've gotten just so many that were like, that was so cute and every once in a while we check in and get people back on the phone. So Taylor is on the phone too. I know you're out of town, but Taylor's on the phone. Okay. Yeah, cool. Hi Matt. Hey Jay.

How's it going? Oh, you know, it's been interesting without you here. Yeah, you know, we wanted to get you both on the phone So we you know You could just get a little update on how things have been since that to catch a cheater You know how things been for you since that to catch a cheater. I feel so much better I feel like we got a lot closer Over all of that. So yeah, so you feel like things are just like open and honest and all of that Yeah, like I feel like it built trust and you know,

I'm so glad we did that, babe. Yeah, babe. So glad. And yeah, like I've been out of town on this work trip thing and maybe I'm just really ready to get home and see you. So yeah, I can't wait. And you know, I am very excited for you to be back and I can't wait, but I also would really like to know why you're in Tucson. Tucson, what do you mean?

You told me you were in New York. You. Yeah, I'm not in Tucson, babe. I'm in New York, just like I told you. Well, the job of the person from yesterday who answered your phone that you left in Tucson must been very confused about what subway stop they're off of then. Wait, what? Yeah. And you know, also while you're in Tucson, I made a new friendship.

In fact, I feel like you might actually know her. Okay. What are you getting at it? Hi, honey. Do you recognize that voice? I hope you're having a good time in Tucson. Yeah. Do you recognize my voice? Um, I hope you're having a good time. Yeah. Do you recognize my new friend, Samantha? Um, you know, your wife of five years voice.

Hopefully you can recognize that on the phone. Like what the f**k is going on guys? What are you doing in Tucson? Why are you in Tucson? What are you? I'm not in Tucson. What are you guys talking about? What are you doing?

What are you doing in Tucson? Yeah. Why? Why the f**k are you there? I'm not in Tucson. What are you guys talking about? What are you doing? What are you doing in Tucson? Yes. Why? Why the f*** are you there? You got out in California and you told me you're in Tucson. You told me girlfriend you call her wife. Sam, I don't even really know who this Taylor is. What?

Oh my gosh. Are you serious? Yeah. Matt, I literally heard that you catch a cheater that you did the first day. That's why I called in because I recognize you. So yeah, you know her. You can't lie to my face. No, I mean, not really. You were on the to catch a cheater talking about how much you loved her and everything

else. And that's how your wife heard it. You just said you feel closer to her like minutes ago. Matt, you're a cop. I mean, I guess nowadays all you have to be is accused and like no proof needed. You feel closer. Yeah. Like minutes ago. Matt, you're a cop. I mean, I guess nowadays all you have to be is accused and like no proof needed. Oh my God. This is exactly what you do. What the are you doing in Tucson?

Matt, you still haven't answered the question. Like, how do you guys even know I'm in Tucson anyway? Like, what does that even matter right now? You're so bad dude. Unbelievable. No, I said, I said, how do they? Your time's up, Matt. We literally called your phone and a Jamba Juice employee answered and said they were

in Tucson, Arizona, but you can't sit there and lie like that. You're in Tucson. Just admit it. Okay. I'm, I'm, I'm in Tucson. Okay. Yes. We know. Oh my God., I'm in Tucson. Okay. We know. Oh my god. Why are you in Tucson?

Why did you lie about that? I'm just, okay, this is a little detour. No, no, no, no. You answer. You're stalling? You're stalling to make up a lie. Answer. Now. Why are you in Tucson? Ah, um, okay. I, yes, I'm in Tucson. Um, okay. I, yes, I'm in Tucson and I have been shooting at you. Very sorry.

We know that. Uh, yes. And I've been talking to someone out here. What? Yeah, but it means it literally means nothing. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Does she think you live with her too?

Uh, yes. I've been living with her for about a year. What? What? Are you serious? I'm sorry I'm laughing, but this is insane. Matt, you don't have any children I don this is insane. No, no kids. I like, I don't believe you at this point.

I don't believe a single thing you said. Does Tucson know that you're married and have a girlfriend also? No, like I don't want to talk about that right now. Well, you know, we are going to talk about is you can just stay in Tucson because you will not have anything at my place. If you try to come back, it's gone. What? Yeah. I'll go my stuff out.

All of your is on the lawn. OK, so don't ring the doorbell. I'll get it all out there. The lock. No, I'm getting a divorce from you. You're unreal. You waited the last 10 years of my life. I will never forgive you for this. We can't work it out.

You're on the lawn. Come on, come on. You've embarrassed me. You've embarrassed me. If you throw my stuff out on the lawn, like for real, like I will, I will get a lawyer. I'd like to see you try. I'd like, I literally have this entire recording of evidence against you, that you're a serial cheater that probably has children all over the country. And I'd like to see you try. I'd like to see you try. What money are you going to hire a lawyer with without mine? Like you.

You know what? I'm going to go and thank you guys for completely my life. Unbelievable. He's gone. completely f**king up my life. Us? What did you read? We did? Yeah. Unbelievable. He's gone. Hey, Samantha and Taylor, he hung up. I'm so sorry we messed up his life like that. Oh my gosh, I can't.

The nerve. I mean, that's crazy. He's a victim. He's always a victim. I think we should all apologize and we'll fly to Tucson and see his face. I want to find out who it is in Tucson. I was gonna say, yeah. See what other cities he's penetrated.

I wonder if she'll ever know. Like I want, you know, I like want to warn her. I would do the due diligence and find her, honestly. You want to really see your life blow up? This is your fault, bro. Taylor, I want to say that this is like just a terrible circumstance, but I'm sorry this happened

to you too. And I'm sorry that he did that to you while having a wife and maybe, well, I need to hire a lawyer now, but maybe we can get drinks and figure out how to further take him down. I am. I'm also super sorry that happened to you and that I'm the other woman. But if you need a witness on that stand, you know who to call. Well, at least we finally got the truth. Thank you. I'm pretty good at cyber stalking. So if you need me, I'm right here.

Okay. Thank you. I'm just like relieved that it's like all out in the open now and like there's other people and he can't like make me think I'm yeah you're not crazy like makes me think I'm crazy and and I know I like now I know and yeah I'm not wasting any more time on this guy good um I will actually take you up on that cyber stalking thing and we will save you a seat at that drink table. Done, done, I got you girls. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast, Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone.

Most of all, his wife, Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me. How far would he go to cover up what he'd done? The fact that you lied is absolutely horrific. And quite frankly, I question how many other women are out there that may bring forward allegations in the future.

Listen to Betrayal on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Have you ever thought about going voiceover? I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation. I'm also the girl behind voiceover, the movement that exploded in 2024. You might hear that term and think it's about celibacy, but to me, voiceover is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships. It's flexible, it's customizable, and it's a personal process.

Singleness is not a waiting room. You are actually at the party right now. Let me hear it. Listen to voiceover on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I've seen a lot of stuff over 30 years, you know, some very despicable crime and things that are kind of tough to wrap your head around. And this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode Island fraudsters. I've always been told I'm a really good listener. right? And I maximized that while I was lying. Listen to deep cover The Truth About Sarah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A lot of times big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways. Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. Small but important ways. From tech billionaires to the bond market to, yeah, banana pudding. If it's happening in business, our new podcast is on it. I'm Max Chastin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith.

So listen to everybody's business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast.