First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show - Evan Gets Ghosted by Claire After Axe Throwing Date Takes a Dark Turn

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

In today’s First Date Follow Up, Evan reaches out for help after being ghosted by Claire—a month after what he thought was a great date. The two went axe throwing (her idea), grabbed street food, talked for hours, and even shared a kiss. But things took a bizarre turn when Evan started yelling out the names of people he “hated” each time he threw an axe—including a third-grade soccer coach and a guy from the gym. Claire says what started as funny quickly turned unsettling, especially when Evan later sent her an axe-throwing meme as a callback. Was Evan just blowing off steam, or did his list of targets go too far? Listen to find out if this unorthodox stress relief ruined his shot at love—and whether Claire thinks he belongs on a therapist’s couch more than a second date. Ever been ghosted after what you thought was an amazing date? Do you REALLY want that Second Date? The Jubal Show has your back! On First Date Follow Up, we track down the person who disappeared to get the real reason why. Awkward, hilarious, and sometimes downright shocking—First Date Follow Up delivers the truth, whether you want to hear it or not. Will there be a second date or just secondhand embarrassment? Subscribe to The Jubal Show's First Date Follow Up and find out! ➡︎ Get on The Jubal Show with your story - https://thejubalshow.com This is just a tiny piece of The Jubal Show. You can find every podcast we have, including the full show every weekday right here…➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com/podcasts The Jubal Show is everywhere, and also these places: Website ➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com  Instagram ➡︎ https://instagram.com/thejubalshow  X/Twitter ➡︎ https://twitter.com/thejubalshow  Tiktok ➡︎ https://www.tiktok.com/@the.jubal.show Facebook ➡︎ https://facebook.com/thejubalshow  YouTube ➡︎ https://www.youtube.com/@JubalFresh Support the show: https://the-jubal-show.beehiiv.com/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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ghosting him and maybe get him another date. But first Evan, how long has it been since you heard from Claire? I, a month probably. Okay. You're definitely getting ghosted then. If it's been a whole month, why do you want to get a hold of her? I don't know. I just like I thought she was great. I really I thought, you know, the day went well.

I've had a lot of fun. I just really want to get a hold of her. OK, well, have you been trying to reach out to her in that month? Like, has she said anything to you at all that's giving you hope? No, not really. Okay. And I've, uh, you know, I was trying to like be cool about it. Not really.

I just text her once, but then I text her again recently. I just like sent her like an axe throwing name, you know, just to call back to the date and yeah, nothing. Let's talk about the date then Evan, like what did you, so you guys went axe throwing. Yeah. Yeah. It was her idea by the way, nothing. Let's talk about the date then, Evan. Like what did you say? You guys went axe throwing. Yeah. Yeah. It was her idea, by the way, guys.

So it wasn't like my crazy idea to go axe throwing. That's super fun. Yeah. I thought it was a little intense, but you know, cool, I guess idea for a first date. She was definitely way better than me at the axe throwing, like embarrassingly better at axe throwing. Like she actually, during like while we were doing this, like she actually gave me tips on how to throw, which I appreciated, I think.

Okay. But yeah, so that was pretty much that the ax throwing portion. And then afterwards we grabbed some like street food from, uh, like a local truck and, um, we ate in the park. We talked for hours. It was awesome. Like she was hilarious. I mean, obviously she destroyed me in ax throwing, but she didn't rub it in at all. I don't know.

Like, I just felt like we clicked after, you know, we ate our water back to her place and we shared like, you know, like a kiss. It was really low key, but it was really nice. And that was, that was it. So what do you think went wrong? I mean, it looks like there could be a few different options, but in your opinion, was there a moment that felt a little bit more uncomfortable than the others? Um, I mean, you know, obviously like sometimes I'm a little bit inept socially.

I don't know. I say dumb things and I don't realize it even in the moment, but I think one thing that maybe stands out is I offered to let her wear my jacket. The shirt that she was wearing was like super short. I was like a low cut, you know, and I didn't want her to like be embarrassed to like boo falling out Well, I didn't say that but like I was Painted or insinuated but like yeah

She was kind of confused and she asked she actually asked me if like I had a problem with what she was kind of confused and she asked, she actually asked me if like, I had a problem with what she was wearing and I didn't, but I did, I backpedaled on the jacket offering. I felt like she understood that I was just trying to look out for her and you know, like I wasn't embarrassed about what she was wearing. I just can't imagine like you're going ax throwing, right? It's probably warm in there. You're going to get even more warm. And the guy I'm on a date with offers me a jacket. But it's like, yeah, that would be a little. I don't know.

I mean, that would kind of rub me the wrong way. Just because like, why does it matter? But they kissed and they hung out after the fact. So she gave him another chance. Yeah, or she's too scared to leave the date. Oh. I mean, I don't think so. But I mean, I could, I guess I could see how maybe she would stay there out of, you know, being embarrassed to not leave.

But like I said, I felt like we moved fast. And sometimes I'm terrible clearly about picking up on social cues. How did you leave everything with her? What was like the last thing that you guys kiss? Yeah, we kissed and then I was just like I had a lot of fun. I'll text you tomorrow and uh love to see you again obviously and you know it was way better than how I'm saying it to you guys right now but I felt like it was... I'm sold.

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First date follow-up. Powered by the Advocates Injury Attorneys. Online at AdvocatesLaw.com. If you're just joining us for today's first date follow-up, Evan is on the phone and he's getting ghosted by Claire. So we're about to call her and see if she'll tell us why she's ghosting him and maybe get him another date. But first, Evan, why don't you kind of recap things for us real quick?

Yeah, so I want to know if Claire, we had a great day. We went axe throwing. We went out, had, you know, street food afterwards. We talked for hours, ended on a kiss. Everything felt good, but like I haven't talked to her in a month. I've tried texting her a few times and got nothing back. All right. You ready for us to call her?

Yes. Here we go. Hello? Hi, is this Claire? Hi, yeah, this is Claire. Hey, Claire, what's up? This is the Jubel Show. It's a radio show. Yeah.

Hi, Claire. I'm Nina. I'm Victoria. And I'm Jubel. What's up? How are you? Oh, hi guys. I had no idea people actually did this.

Yeah, they do. How's it going? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm doing great.

I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm Jubal. What's up? How are you? Hi guys, I had no idea people actually did this. Yeah, they do How's it going? Hi, how are you all? I'm good. Do you listen to the show? I do. Yeah, I'm the way to work. Great Have you ever heard of first-day follow-up before? I have yeah. Well guess what Claire? Congratulations, you're ghosting somebody and they emailed us to get a hold of you. Yay! Oh my god, is this about Evan?

Yes! You already know it. Yes it is, it's about Evan. He said he really liked you, but can't figure out why you're not calling him back. So, would you mind telling us? Yeah. I might think Adam's a really great guy, but the date was weird. Okay. Weird.

How so? Um, you know, every time he'd throw an act because we went after him, um, he'd scream out someone that he hated. Laughing along and I thought it was funny at first cause he was like, maybe I was zombies or like a name of a serial killer. Okay. Yeah. I was like, okay, this is dark, you know, kind of a dark sense of humor though can be high.

And I was just rolling with it. And then it started to become real people. Yeah, I got more personal on his side because, you know, it was like people from his elementary school, like his third grade coach. How do you know that? Did he tell you that it is like third grade coach and then like through it? Yeah, I was like, he's bad. He's like, oh, my third grade soccer coach.

OK, that's a little murderous. I guess. French much? Yeah, I got creepy. And so that turned you off, I guess, that he was fantasizing about throwing axes into those people's heads. Like other parts of their body. So that turned you off, I guess, that he was fantasizing about throwing axes into those people's heads. I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah.

Like, who was he writing about? People from their elementary school. I guess I could see why that'd be disturbing. Yeah, me too. Did you say anything to him about it or like ask him? Like, how often do you think about throwing axes at my third grade coach? Yeah, I mean, I definitely addressed it. I was like, this just keeps going.

You know, he named Greg from the gym. Another thing is he threw me an ax throwing me unintended. I'm almost thinking I'm on his hit list now. Oh, he did tell us that he sent you an ax throwing me. I guess I would take it that way too. Claire, not to freak you out too much, but Evan is actually on the phone listening and wants to talk to you. Yeah.

And so like, wait, so that's why you're ghosting me? I was like, it was just, I was just blowing off steam. It wasn't that serious. Oh, so yeah, you're blowing off steam. Yeah. He's shouting about like 15 people and how you, you know, really we're getting into it. I mean, that wasn't just blowing up steam.

You were in your own therapy session. I don't know if that's even there. Is that therapy? First date, come to therapy with me. Yeah. It was all good fun. Come on. Like I was just messing around. It wasn't like, I wasn't actually thinking

about these people. I was just saying their names. It's not a big deal. I mean, messing around is one thing, but you had an axe in your hand both screaming about your childhood enemies and a local guy at the gym and I mean it's just like, come on, that's intense. No thanks, sorry. Come on, like you haven't fantasized about throwing an axe at somebody like from your

life? Come on. It's just like I was just blown off steam. It's not like I was serious. Interesting fantasy. No, I haven't. I haven't fantasized about this. Well, Claire, would you like another date with Evan?

We'll pay for it. You know, I just don't think so. Like I'm all for fun and games, but I need someone who's just a little bit more, I guess like emotionally stable. I am emotionally stable. Okay. Well, I'm sorry, man. You didn't get another date.

That's fine. I don't even want one. Like why is she taking it too seriously? Whatever. I don't, man. You didn't get another date. That's fine. I don't even want one. Like why is she taking it too seriously? Whatever. I don't, not a big deal. Well, good luck. Yeah, sorry, man. And thanks for your time, Claire. Thank you all. Take care.

It was her stupid idea to go on that stupid day anyway. I'm going ass throwing. Thanks for nothing. OK. Jubal's first date follow up. I'm going absolutely. Thanks for nothing. OK. Oh, wow. OK. Jubal's first date follow-up. Camp Shane, one of America's longest-running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results.

But there were some dark truths behind Camp Shane's facade of happy, transformed children. Nothing about that camp was right. It was really actually like a horror movie. Enter Camp Shame, an eight-part series examining the rise and fall of Camp Shane and the culture that fueled its decades-long success. You can listen to all episodes of Camp Shame one week early and totally ad-free

on iHeart True Crime Plus. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts and subscribe today. Have you ever thought about going voiceover? I'm Hope Woodard, a comedian, creator, and seeker of male validation. I'm also the girl behind voiceover, the movement that exploded in 2024.

You might hear that term and think it's about celibacy, but to me, voiceover is about understanding yourself outside of sex and relationships. It's flexible, it's customizable, and it's a personal process. Singleness is not a waiting room. You are actually at the party right now. Let me hear it.

Listen to voiceover on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I came out because I literally had a contract ripped up in front of me. On a recent episode of Good Game with Sarah Spayne, I spotlighted an inspiring out athlete, pro golfer Mel Reed. It's a part of me.

I'm certainly not ashamed of it. And I think that there should be more representation in. To hear this and more on identity, inclusivity, and the power of being seen, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spayne, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone.

Most of all, his wife Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me. How far would he go to cover up what he'd done? The fact that you lied is absolutely horrific. And quite frankly, I question how many other women are out there that may bring forward allegations in the future. Listen to Betrayal on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.