First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show - James & Natalie - The Pretzel That Almost Ended Everything

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

James is convinced his first date with Natalie went great… but now she’s ghosting him, and he’s blaming it on one tiny moment involving a shared appetizer. Was it really the pretzel? Or was there something deeper he had no clue about? This First Date Follow Up gets surprisingly honest, and proves that a profile photo can lead to very wrong assumptions. Dating communication fails, ghosting mystery, sports bar mix-ups, modern dating etiquette, this one has all the relatable chaos. Listen to hear what detail almost ruined the date… and if he actually gets a second shot. Ever been ghosted after what you thought was an amazing date? Do you REALLY want that Second Date? The Jubal Show has your back! On First Date Follow Up, we track down the person who disappeared to get the real reason why. Awkward, hilarious, and sometimes downright shocking—First Date Follow Up delivers the truth, whether you want to hear it or not. Will there be a second date or just secondhand embarrassment? Subscribe to The Jubal Show's First Date Follow Up and find out! ➡︎ Get on The Jubal Show with your story - https://thejubalshow.com This is just a tiny piece of The Jubal Show. You can find every podcast we have, including the full show every weekday right here…➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com/podcasts The Jubal Show is everywhere, and also these places: Website ➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com  Instagram ➡︎ https://instagram.com/thejubalshow  X/Twitter ➡︎ https://twitter.com/thejubalshow  Tiktok ➡︎ https://www.tiktok.com/@the.jubal.show Facebook ➡︎ https://facebook.com/thejubalshow  YouTube ➡︎ https://www.youtube.com/@JubalFresh Support the show: https://the-jubal-show.beehiiv.com/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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James, before we get into your date, man, how long has it been since you heard from the Natalie? It's been almost three days. Are you sure you're getting ghosted? Yeah, well, you know, I would have got back in touch with somebody before now if I was interested. So yeah, I kind of get that feeling. Okay. I just didn't feel like it was going to be that long when

we left things. So I was just a little surprise. Okay, so tell us about that. What happened on your date? We met at a sports bar. You know, the reason that I suggested that we meet there was, you know, I saw on her profile that she was at a

baseball game and she was having a great time. So I'm like, oh, okay, she likes sports and we'll go to a sports bar. I thought that'd be good. Was she drinking in the picture you saw? Because then you would also know she also likes to drink. Put those few things together. I love that she was having a beer. And, of course, sports bars, there's a lot of good beer options.

I'm like, okay, you know, that's her vibe. That's her, that's her kind of environment. So I was like, all right, this will be good. And, yeah, I thought it really did go well. Told some jokes. She laughed a little bit here and there. You know, I mean, it was a little loud there and the game was on. And, you know, we were watching the game and thanks.

But, yeah, I mean, I just said, she's just beautiful, and I kind of felt a really good connection. And, yeah, I just felt like we'd be texting or talking by now. And what did I miss? I mean, there wasn't anything that was standing out to me, like, oh, you know, I really screwed this up, or that she wasn't really interested. So I'm curious, like, what was it? I think maybe because, I don't know if it's maybe because I, you know, we split an appetizer,

or maybe I ate a little too much of it. Maybe. We got one of those pretzels where you like dip it in the, you know, and I thought it divided it pretty. You know, a person's appetizer etiquette, I believe, can tell you a lot about their personality. It does actually. Maybe because she wasn't eating that half,

and I started to pick away at that a little when mine was done. You can tell a lot, you can tell a lot, James, based off of an appetizer etiquette, because if somebody is really taking over the appetizer, you know how they're going to be in a relationship. It's going to be their relationship, right? You know? But I didn't want to be wasteful, though.

I think that might be a good sign. I don't think it's a bad thing that you were eating so much of the pretzel, but it's more like how you communicate that. Like, are you going to eat that? Yeah. Are you cool? Because, you know, I want to eat that. Mm-hmm.

You know, it was kind of chilling there on the plate for a good while. Okay, okay. So I figured, okay, you know, fair game. And we had, you know, kind of moved on from her. I can tell you from experience, this is a red flag. If somebody, if you're sharing an appetizer with someone and then they throw like their napkin on it before you're even done, you know they don't care about you at all. Ooh, the appetizer test.

Wait, what do you mean? Throw a napkin on it. It means like they're done, right? They're done eating with the appetizer. It's their appetizer. But an appetizer, if it's for two people, you're splitting it. So they'd throw like maybe they're used ranch and a napkin on it like, I'm done. But you're not done yet.

They didn't check with you. It shows they have no regard for humankind at all. Wow. I don't think James did that, though. No, you didn't do that, did you, James? No, no. Yeah, you don't sound like a sociopath to me. Okay. Oh, thank you. All right, we'll play a song.

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We went out and met a sports bar, which I had suggested. I figured maybe she was into sports because I saw in her profile picture. She was out of a ball game. beers had fun. So we got there. It was a little noisy game was on. But, you know, I thought it was going well. You know, talked about some cool stuff.

I had an appetizer. And, yeah, you know, I didn't get any indication at all that it went poorly. In fact, I thought I'd be, you know, hearing from her the next day. I was really excited to kind of keep things rolling. And I just never did. So I don't know if there's something missing or what. You got to find out if it's because you ate too much of the pretzel. Right, right.

I don't know. Split an appetizer. And I, yeah, I'm thinking to eat more than half of it. Was that offensive? I don't know. I really have no clue. All right. We're going to call her right now.

And see if we can figure it out. Here we go. Are we ready? Yep, let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, here we go. Okay, here we go. Hello.

Hey, let's speak to Natalie, please. My name is Jubal. I host a radio show. It's on the radio and it's called The Jubal Show. Hi, Natalie. I do that too with Jubal. And I'm Victoria. Hi, everyone.

Hi there. So there's three of us on the phone. I'm not sure if you've ever heard the show before. I've dabbled into your show here and there. We're calling you today because we actually got an email about you from somebody who dabbles with our show a lot. Oh, okay. Who might that be? Well, it's also a guy that you dabbled with for a second, but now you're ghosting him. His name is James. Oh, yeah. Yeah, James emailed us because he wants to know why you're ghosting him. Oh, well, there's plenty of reasons why I'm ghosting him.

I've seen him. Oh. What are they? Do you mind telling us? Well, we went to a sports bar and he wanted to watch the game and, you know, it was loud. It was noisy. He wanted to share an appetizer and he ate most of it and didn't really ask if I wanted the last part of it or anything.

How did you feel about that? Just curious. Oh, here we go. Oh, my God. like everyone should know like hey like it's great to ask the person other person that you're sharing with first to make sure it's you know good to go you know i think that's a rule that everyone should know you know if it's just sitting there though do we really care well i'm a slow eater so like i like to savour my food and such so he just didn't really give you a shot to eat much of the appetizer he kind of took too much of the appetizer yeah that why you're ghosting him? There's more to it. So we barely

had conversation. He would make lame sports jokes and tons, but not much conversation. And I felt like he just really wanted to watch the game versus really get to know me. Oh, all right. So you don't

feel like he really paid much attention to you even though he asked you on a date? Yes, exactly. So did you guys talk about anything? He said you guys had great conversation. I mean, he talked about the stats and such of the team, but that's really it. And I don't really, like, I don't really like sports that much. So there's that.

So for me, like, I'm not going to care about stats. I definitely was like going to sports games because, you know, there's a great atmosphere. You get to dress up. You're with your friends. You have good friends. And then also, he did. tried to order my drink, too. He did tell me that.

Did you get it right? I'm not much of a beer person. I'm more of like a hard cider person. So I had to step in and stand for myself too. So, you know. Wait a minute. That was the same drink you had in the photo on your profile. So, I mean, I don't know how I could have gotten that wrong.

I thought that was the right choice. Natalie, that's James. He's on the phone listening. Been listening this whole time and wants to talk to you. I am so sorry. I thought you wanted to watch the game. That's why I wasn't saying anything. I thought you were into it.

No, I wasn't. It was just, I'd rather have conversation. And also, that beer that was in my hand was the first time ever tried it, and I didn't like it. I'm so sorry. You know, I kind of based a lot off of that profile picture. You were at a game, it looked like you were having fun, but, oh, you know, you love sports. So, yeah, I thought it was being polite by letting you watch the game. And I am so embarrassed because now I'm remembering all the sports jokes I made.

and those probably came off really lame. I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry. James, let me interrupt real quick. I basically ask you, hey, let's not talk about the game anymore. Let's get to know each other. You know, I don't have an explanation for that.

I may have just been a little nervous, you know, because I don't know, you're a beautiful woman, and I was having a great time, and I thought things were going well. And I might have just been a little, a little nervous and I yeah I really kind of misjudge this I'm sorry

Natalie doesn't he get points for actually paying attention to the photo though like he really tried to do this for you yeah well he could have asked me like what things I like to do versus just face it off with a photo I'm

really sorry Natalie it's just I am kind of nervous because you're really pretty I mean, it's better than what other people have told me before, but Sure, you're beautiful. I mean, how can anybody say anything contrary to that? I mean, totally, I mean, absolutely, my impression was beautiful inside and out, you know, I mean, on the inside, too. I mean, I just really got that impression about you.

And, yeah, I mean, that maybe just threw me a little bit. No, I think you're a great person. I really, really do. you don't know me like we didn't and lunchtime talk about anything I would like to get to know you

I really would and I'm just really sorry that I kind of misjudged some things or thought I was really super slick by making a lot of assumptions based on your photo that was not the way to go I mean the advertiser wasn't that great either

yeah I was worried that might have been one of the reasons that I didn't hear from you on. I regret that. Well, Natalie, would you like to go out with James again on another date? We'll pay for it. I just want to add, Natalie, before you answer that, if you agree to go out on another date with me, we can go wherever you want. You order whatever you like, any drink, any food, any pretzels as you want. I want you to take the lead on that. You can even order my drink, my food if you want. You can choose what I wear. Any of it. It is completely in your hands.

It's a little thirsty. Pull back. Sounds like James really wants to go out with you again. What do you think? I mean, that was a dangerous statement that I will hold him too. So, yeah, I will go on a second date with him.

Yay. Wow, that worked. James might be shown up to his next date, the Tutu, whatever Natalie wants. Natalie Gads. Congratulations. Jules' first date follow-up. In the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders.

We've talked many times over the years, and today he even throws a few questions my way. Are you ready for another question? Go ahead. Hit me, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shut down. Listen to next question with me, Katie Currick on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks,

sex in the city, or just the internet stand. I have a new podcast called What Are We Even Doing? Where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture. Each week, I invite someone fascinating to join me to talk about navigating this high-speed roller coaster we call reality. Join me in my delightful guests every Thursday. And let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what are we even doing on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The rich Russians falling out of Windows podcast is back.

Sad oligarch season two. Since we left you in 2023 after season one, many politically motivated Russian millionaires have continued to die in suspicious circumstances. Season two gets very weird. Listen to Sad Oligarch on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bridget Armstrong, host of the new podcast, The Curse of America's Next Top Model. I've been investigating the real story behind that iconic show. I ended up having anorexia issues, bulimia issues, by talking to the models, the producers, and the people who profited from it all.

We basically sold our souls, and they got rich. If you were so rooting for her and saw her drowning, what did you help her? Listen to the curse of America's Next Top Model on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Michael Lewis here. My bestselling book The Big Short tells the story of the buildup and burst of the U.S. housing market back in 2008. A decade ago, the Big Short was made into an Academy Award-winning movie. And now I'm bringing it to you for the first time as an audiobook. narrated by Euras Truly, the big short story, what it means to bet against the market,

and who really pays for an unchecked financial system, is as relevant today as it's ever been. Get the big short now at pushkin.fm slash audio books, or wherever audiobooks are sold. This is an I-Heart podcast.