First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show - To Catch A Cheater - Bill & Kathy - Insomnia or Infidelity?

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

When Bill's wife starts sneaking out in the middle of the night, he fears the worst—especially with unexplained charges showing up on their bank account. After 11 years of marriage, could his insomnia-stricken wife really be cheating… or is something else going on? In this emotional episode of To Catch a Cheater, the truth comes out—and it’s not what anyone expected. Think your partner might be up to something shady? The Jubal Show has you covered. In this explosive segment, The Jubal Show helps suspicious lovers uncover the truth by setting up the ultimate loyalty test. We call their significant other, posing as a grocery store’s floral department offering a free bouquet. You know.. a War of the Roses. The catch? Who they choose to send the flowers to—and what they write on the card—could reveal everything. Will it be a romantic gesture for their partner or a shocking betrayal? Get ready for twists, surprises, and jaw-dropping confrontations as we help our listeners get the answers they deserve. Subscribe to The Jubal Show's To Catch A Cheater / War of the Roses.➡︎ Get on The Jubal Show with your story - https://thejubalshow.com This is just a tiny piece of The Jubal Show. You can find every podcast we have, including the full show every weekday right here…➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com/podcasts The Jubal Show is everywhere, and also these places: Website ➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com  Instagram ➡︎ https://instagram.com/thejubalshow  X/Twitter ➡︎ https://twitter.com/thejubalshow  Tiktok ➡︎ https://www.tiktok.com/@the.jubal.show Facebook ➡︎ https://facebook.com/thejubalshow  YouTube ➡︎ https://www.youtube.com/@JubalFresh Support the show: https://the-jubal-show.beehiiv.com/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So in a few minutes, we're gonna call her and see if we can catch her if she is, but hopefully she isn't Bill. What's going on, man? Why do you think your wife's cheating? I know that she has like insomnia. In a few minutes we're going to call her and see if we can catch her if she is, but hopefully she isn't. Bill, what's going on, man? Why do you think your wife's cheating? I know that she has like insomnia. So sometimes if she can't sleep, she'll go down to the market for, you know, whatever,

the Sunday drinks, Sunday eat, but that's really rare. But lately, it's been pretty constant. So at least four times now that I've woken up, she's not been in the house, you know, not even in, you know, not even like the next room or anything. So I asked her about it. She just, said, you know, it's my insomnia. So I took that at face value and then I noticed there's weird charges on our bank account, like at weird times in the morning. So it's, it's not like too much money or anything, but I can just tell that this

has been happening more and more. So that's the nuts and bolts of it. So she just tells you that she has insomnia, but doesn't tell you where she's going. Well, I mean, that's kind of where I'm, yeah, hoping it's not my worst fear, which would be infidelity. Sure. I mean, I mean, my wife, I will say she's very attractive and it wouldn't surprise me if some, you know, guy was trying to weasels way into her bed. She's not sleeping with me, but, um, I, but I'm not saying that I'm not like

saying that my wife is promiscuous. You know, I'm not, I'm not saying that I'm just, she's very attractive. So I wouldn't doubt it if she's had attention from other men. And, um, that's why I'm calling you guys. Is she doing anything else other than not being home? I mean, which is, you know, it's kind of odd. I feel like there's so many questions to that, but she isn't really giving them to you at the moment. But yeah, outside of that, have there been other things that have happened that are maybe giving you that vibe?

Like, are you guys still close? Um, well, I mean, we're pretty much, I mean, we don't really go out, you know, every, we don't have date night every week or anything. Um, and to our credit, you know, that's something that I think couples should do. And she's, you know, voice her opinion that, you know, we never go out. And I mean, I, I think that's a good idea to add as a couple to go out, but I'm just, you know, after work, I'm just really tired. And so I'm not ready to go out until, you know, 10, 11, you know, I'm not the

one with insomnia, so I need to get my rest before work. So I don't know, you know, she kind of took that as a personal attack. And she was saying about, you know, we become old people, you see commercials and only just like sit on the front porch and do you want me to take up knitting? And I mean, I'm just like, I do want to go out with her, but I'm just like mentally spent by the end of the day. No, so that's kind of what I guess the tipping point that was, I don't know, like a month or so ago. And we had this kind of, I don't want to spell like a full bore fight, but you know, a disagreement where we weren't having a civil conversation.

But, and that led me to, you know, the last, like I said, the last couple of weeks, these one got four times that I've woken up and she's not been there. And, you know, just kind of says, you know, I'm just dealing with my insomnia. I can understand being concerned in that moment. Has she dealt with insomnia in the past? I mean, you guys have been married for 11 years. So if she ever had insomnia before, what would she do? Oh yeah.

No, no, no. Yeah. Like this is something that, um, I mean, as long as we've been a couple, um, I've always been able to sleep like the dead and unfortunately something she, uh, she doesn't, uh, have, you know, the ability to sleep through the night. So the insomnia is not the thing that's throwing me off. It's just the, you know, the weird charges, the weird times of the morning in the bank account.

So you can't really, you know, just as merchant services, it doesn't say, you know, you know, it doesn't say like the particular grocery store, a gas station or, you know, fill in the blank. It just has like a merchant service. Okay, now that's a good thing. Yeah. Okay you already told us what grocery store you guys are rewards card members at so

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You're right in the middle of to catch a cheater and Bill is on the phone. He thinks that his wife Cathy of 11 years might be cheating. So in a second, we're going to call her and pretend to be from the grocery store that she's a rewards card member at and say that every single month we choose one random rewards card member who gets free flowers delivered from our floral department and we'll see if she sends those to him or to somebody else. But first, Bill, why don't you catch everybody up on your situation? Well, like you said, my wife and I have been married 11 years.

I hope she's not cheating, but I'm looking for an answer on why is she dealing with her insomnia, which is a thing that I've known about for as long as we've been together. And these past couple of weeks, when I've asked her about it, she's kind of brushed me off. And then when I've looked into our bank account, I've seen weird charges at weird times in the morning that I can't readily explain away.

And she doesn't seem too willing to divulge information about it. So. That's the shady part. All right. Well, we'll call it right now and see if we can figure it out for you. Are you ready? Hey, fingers crossed.

All right. Here we go. Hello. Hi, this is Jordan calling from I was looking for a rewards card member, Kathy ****. Yes, this is she. Hello, Kathy. Please don't hang up. This is not a marketing phone call. I'm actually calling just to say congratulations.

You're this month's big winner. Okay. Awesome. When did I win? Oh, maybe you haven't seen the signs. So every single month we choose one random awards card member who gets free flowers delivered from our new floral apartment.

So you've won 36 long stem red roses, a box of candy or chocolates and card to be delivered to anybody that you want to within the United States, absolutely free. Well, that's so sweet. Okay, well, I appreciate it. Thank you. Well, thank you for shopping. We really do appreciate your business.

If you know who you want to send them to, I can take down the information in just a couple of minutes. I can do it over the phone. Yeah, that's fine. I can, I'll have you send them to my husband. So, okay. What's your husband's name? Bill. Hey, would you like to put anything on a card to bill? Sure. Uh, should I just tell you or? Yeah, I can put it down.

How long you guys been together? Oh, we've been together about 11 years now. Oh wow, that's a long one. If I was with somebody for 11 years, I'd be sometimes I probably wouldn't help myself but you know be window shopping a little bit. No, you're in it for the long haul you know. There's ups and downs and uh. I just wondered if you're you know you ever cheat on your husband or anything like that. No.

Not everything about it ever. Wait, wait what is what is going on? Um what's going on is this is actually Jubal from the Jubal show. It's a radio show. Hi, I'm Nina also on the show. Hi, and I'm Victoria. We do a segment that's called to catch a cheater. So if somebody suspects they're a significant other of cheating, they see who they send flowers to and your husband Bill is actually on the phone.

What? Oh my God. What is going on? Wait, you think that's cheating on you? Well, I don't know. I don't know. Oh my God. What is going on? Well, wait, you think that's cheating on you? Well, hon, you don't tell me where you're going. And then I've noticed the money is going from our bank account.

It doesn't say like where you're getting, you know, skimming the money out of it, just see the money leaving the account. And you're not telling me where you're at. So I don't know what you're doing. And it's been not like a one-time thing or a couple of times been consistent here. So, uh, I didn't know where to turn on, where to look. So surprise. Oh, babe, I am sorry that you have gone through this much trouble. And yeah, I mean, I've been sneaking out if you will, but I'm not cheating on you. I, I, I'm not cheating on you.

Okay. I just, you know what I deal with at night and I'm, I get bored and, uh, I don't like going to bars and you're a boring moron, but I love you. Right. So I, I don't want to go to like bars and stuff without you. So instead I've been going to the casino, okay? That's me coming clean to you. I will order just like a drink or two

and sit there for a little bit and it fills me out and I can relax and then come home and get some decent sleep, but I promise I am not out partying. I mean, I'm, I'm, I don't know how to else to, I am not cheating on you. Um, I feel bad that I have to do this and that I've been lying to you, but at the same time, the reason why I haven't told you is because I know that you, a, probably stay up and wait for me or B you insist on coming to the

casino with me and then you'd hate it the whole time. Right. And I'd rather that you just stay home and you sleep and just let me do what I need to do. And you know, that's why I haven't told you. I don't know what else to say. I mean, I hope you're not upset. I guess seeing lady luck is better than seeing another man.

I'm a little like, I mean, I know that I'm asleep and I would wait up for you if I knew that's where you were. So, I mean, I am, I mean, yeah, I'm a little kind of hurt that you don't want me to go to the casino with you, but I don't want you also like, you know, whatever a clock and then walking around the house, not, you know, just now you be able to count sheep or anything. So, and obviously, hon, I mean, if I didn't like, if something really did happen and let's say, you know, God forbid, and you didn't make it home before I woke up. I mean, what am I, you know, or, or, you know, I don't know where you are. And, you know, let's say you're at the casino and something happened, at least

I would know that's where you were, but just kind of being MIA, you know what I mean? Like I have, I have, you could be, you could be three States away, you know? I get it. I get it. I, I get it. Listen, I, now you know it's working for me for now and, uh, you know, it's working and now, you know, there's no hiding, you know, maybe every once in a while you can come with me if you really want. I did actually like, I have a really good night last night and I can actually even

afford to take us on a little trip. That's one way to soften the blow up honey. I lied to you but I won money. I think we deserve to have fun and get out and why don't you know, we can talk about taking a beach trip and we should just do it. Well, let's not say how much money you won, but a beach trip seems like a good amount. All right. Well, I guess I'm glad that I thought you were cheating. Well, I guess I'm glad that I thought you were cheating, sis. You gotta get your mom out of it. That's one way to look at it. The Jubal Show's To Catch a Cheater. If you're looking for another heavy podcast about trauma, this ain't it. This is for the ones who had to survive and still show up as brilliant, loud, soft, and whole. The

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