First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show - Zach & Kylie - When a First Date Sketch Goes Very Wrong

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

On this First Date Follow Up from The Jubal Show, Zach thought he was being romantic when he pulled out a napkin and sketched Kylie during their late-night taco date. Instead, his “abstract art” may have sent the wrong message — and left Kylie questioning whether he was secretly calling her unattractive. From rooftop jazz to a hilariously awkward drawing moment, this ghosting mystery is one you have to hear unfold. Will Zach’s explanation be enough to win a second chance? Ever been ghosted after what you thought was an amazing date? Do you REALLY want that Second Date? The Jubal Show has your back! On First Date Follow Up, we track down the person who disappeared to get the real reason why. Awkward, hilarious, and sometimes downright shocking—First Date Follow Up delivers the truth, whether you want to hear it or not. Will there be a second date or just secondhand embarrassment? Subscribe to The Jubal Show's First Date Follow Up and find out! ➡︎ Get on The Jubal Show with your story - https://thejubalshow.com This is just a tiny piece of The Jubal Show. You can find every podcast we have, including the full show every weekday right here…➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com/podcasts The Jubal Show is everywhere, and also these places: Website ➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com  Instagram ➡︎ https://instagram.com/thejubalshow  X/Twitter ➡︎ https://twitter.com/thejubalshow  Tiktok ➡︎ https://www.tiktok.com/@the.jubal.show Facebook ➡︎ https://facebook.com/thejubalshow  YouTube ➡︎ https://www.youtube.com/@JubalFresh Support the show: https://the-jubal-show.beehiiv.com/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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all right we'll tell us a little bit about it how many times you try to reach out to her probably I think four now oh okay when was the last time you hit her up it was uh this morning actually okay well we're trying to understand okay it was like four text messages or phone calls I started off with uh just like a you know like a follow up text message

the next day you know thanking her for a fun night and then no replies then i waited a few days yeah and then this morning i did a little see now that i'm thinking about it it sounds like i'm totally a fault and i sound weird but i played a little jazz riff on my harmonica as a voice note and sent it to her this morning it sounds like you like her and that you're making effort to get a hold of her so now we just got to figure out why she's not into it tell us about the date sure so um we went to this rooftop top jazz night, hence my harmonica thing, I sent this morning.

You know, jazz is kind of a gamble, probably, but she told me she likes vibes, so I felt like that seemed fitting, you know? Okay. It's vibey. Yeah, and we had a great time. She completely dug it. I'm really into jazz, so I enjoyed it in her company. And then we grabbed some tacos after.

It just was, it felt like a movie, because we sat on this curb and we're talking to each other with these tacos in our hands and the moon was out. It's like hot sauce on our fingers. Hot. And then she had, you know, she had this wild laugh. It was just made me laugh. Every time she laughed, it would make me laugh

because the way she laughed. And I don't know. She didn't know weird stuff like I am. Like I collect old cereal boxes, vintage boxes. Okay. I just think it's cool. You know, some people collect, like, old Mattel toys or, like, lunch boxes. I just so happened to, as a kid, for some reason, I had, I started a little collection,

and then years later, like, I had these really cool, old cereal boxes, you know, which could be weird. I'm obviously, in the grown adult male, we collect cereal boxes, but she thought that was really cool. She was, like, respect, you know. Okay, good. And she was asking me about it, and I showed her pictures, and I was like, well, you know, she just made me feel good.

when we kissed also and it was this for me at least this adorable moment because you're both kind of awkward but not not in a bad way not like it was a bad kiss but just like we were nervous and both kind of like trying not to mess it up you know like it wasn't lustful it was it was just like everything was like sweet and i felt like romantic you really like her and you sound like a hopeless romantic why do you think you're getting ghosted one i'm thinking maybe Sometimes, obviously, women will love romance in the long run, but sometimes at first, it can be a little bit of a turnoff. I'm not exactly a metrosexual guy either. I kind of do like the three and one shampoo.

Okay. Does she know this? Yes. I mean, I would talk about it because she actually mentioned her ex just briefly about how he would, like, moisture his elbows, and she, like, likes it when a man takes care of herself. And I was like, I was like, ooh, you know, am I, is she pointing out? You know, I don't usually, I don't use hair gel or anything. I just kind of keep it all natural. I don't work alone either, and I made some little common, like, I'm earth-scented.

Okay, I'm not sure what that smells like, but maybe that could be it, too. Yeah, we'll find out for you, though. We'll play a song, come back, and then call her and see if she'll tell us why she's ghosting you and maybe get you a second date, okay? All right, sounds good. All right, we'll get your first day follow up next. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paula Ramos.

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Sure. Went to a cool jazz place. It was the vibe we had what I thought was very romantic moments, had tacos on a curb, talked about each other, laughed, felt comfortable, kissed awkwardly, but in a sweet way. and I've been trying to reach out a few times with kind of romantic sweet intentions and maybe a little too much, I guess. Okay.

And I'm not a wife. She goes to me. Ready for us to call her? Please. Okay. Here we go. Here. Hello?

Hi, man. I speak to Kylie, please. Yeah, this is kind of a name, what's this? Kylie, how are you? This is the Jubal show. It's a radio show. What's up, Kylie? My name's Nina.

Hi, I'm Victoria. And my name's Jubal. How are you? Um, I'm good. I actually, like, listen to you guys sometimes. Oh, cool. Sweet. Well, guess what, Kylie?

We got an email about you from somebody. An email? Yeah. We do a segment on the show called the first day follow-up. That's where if you go on a date with somebody and you end up ghosting them, they can email us to get you on the phone and ask why you're ghosting. And we got an email about you from somebody. Oh, my God.

Do you know who that could be? I think I know. It's Zach, isn't it? Yes, it is Zach. He said he actually reached out to you today. Yeah, I know. I know. I've been getting the messages.

Okay. And you're just not responding to them? Yeah. I mean, I don't want to be an ass-h. But, yeah, like, I ghosted him. I'm not, like, trying to hide that at all. Can you tell us why you're ghosting? Yeah.

So, we went out, and we went to, like, this rooftop jazz, like, thing, and it was nice and sweet, and then we, like, grabbed some tarcos afterwards, and everything was going great. He was, like, charming and, you know, funny and very sweet, too. and then, like, when we're, like, eating the tacos, we're talking, and then he grabs, like, a napkin and starts, like, drawing me, and I'm like, drawing you? Yeah, out of nowhere. You know, I think, oh, this is kind of, like, cute, kind of, like, the, you know,

in Titanic when, like, Leonardo is, like, drawing case. And I'm thinking, maybe, like, maybe you watch that. and, you know, I don't know. But, you know, that wasn't really the problem. The thing is, when I looked at the drawing, oh, my God. And he gets saying that he's kind of like a little bit of the artist. He has, like, all these different hobbies. But, like, the way that he drew me, I kind of, like, looked like a melted candle.

Like, I had one eyeball, like, this huge chin. And, you know, I don't want to, I thought at first it was, like, kind of like a funny thing that he was doing. So I kind of, like, made fun of it. I said, oh, my God, like, this kind of looks like a Picasso disaster type of thing. And then he said, like, no, no, no, no, no. You know, this is, looks don't matter at all. Like, you're just a good person and that's what matters. I'm like, well, are you trying to say that I'm ugly?

You know what I mean? And so he became like really awkward. Because he drew a melted picture of you. You think he called you ugly. No, no, because when I made fun of the drawing, he took it like in the way like he didn't laugh at all. And he just kept trying to say like, oh no, you're like a good person inside. And that's what matters.

And he just kept going. know, in going, same things like that, you know. So are you ghosting him because he's, he's not good at drawing? Or because you think he called you ugly? But here's the thing. I think, like, attraction is a big thing, you know, in a relationship. And if he's not attracted to me, like, I don't want to be. Yeah, I don't want to be in a relationship.

Kylie, Zach's on the phone. And he wants to talk to you. Oh, no. I know you guys said to be quiet, but I just, I'm, I was like, smiling so big from this story. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, what? No, no, no. That picture that I, that I drew, I was just trying to be, I guess, in my own odd way, deep in a way. Like, it was an abstract little thing.

It's like I draw abstract art all the time. I was trying to say that I like you for who you are. Are you attracted to Kylie, Zach? A thousand percent. Oh, okay. Okay. Because that sounds like that was her problem. Oh, my gosh.

That is crazy. I had no idea that that was something in the moment. It was like some emotional realism sketch. I was trying to walk. Oh, well, do you think I'm like an emotional person, like a tortured person? Like, I don't need a man to save me. Like, no. Wait, this is turned.

I'm still confused. Look, if you saw some other things that I drew, you would get a better idea this was on a napkin it was terrible bad choice I think you're beautiful despite all the emotional baggage

what like that is not helping things at all like now you're saying that I'm attracted but like a crazy person like no no I'm not saying that

we're all hurt little duck wings I just want to take your wings and mend them oh Kylie I'm what I'm trying to say as I see all of your beauty

And I'm not saying that I think you're emotionally damaged. I'm just saying we all have our own things. And whatever it is that you might have, you are so much, I just see all your beauty is what I'm trying to say. So no matter what else comes with it, your beauty outshines everything. Do you feel beautiful now, Kylie? Just because I think you're a beautiful person on the inside doesn't mean I don't think you're beautiful on the outside. I think you're gorgeous. I want you inside and out.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wow, wow. Hey, in that case, Kylie, would you like another date with Zach will pay for it? I mean, I think, like, I'm understanding, you know, which is kind of cute, but he talks a little too much, you know, and the way he explains things is a little unique, but, like, now I think I understand that, you know, he's nervous. and it's kind of cute, right? Is that a yes? It sounds like he really likes you, so I mean, I think that's cute. Yes. All right.

Fantastic. I actually already have a spot that I'm thinking about. So thank you. Thank you, Kylie. And I promise if I draw you again, I'm going to go for realism. I think this is the beginning of your healing journey, Kylie. and I'm glad to walk the path with you. Yeah.

All right, congratulations. I'm Joubles' first date follow-up. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one.

We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversations we've been having us, father and daughter for years.

Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Chetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast. Today, I'm joined by Emma Watson. Emma Watson has apparently quit acting. Emma Watson has announced she's retiring from acting. Has anyone else noticed that we haven't seen Emma Watson in anything in several years? Emma Watson is opening up the truth behind her five-year break.

from acting. Watson said she wasn't very happy. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. In the 1980s, modeling wasn't just a dream. It was a battlefield. It's a freaking war zone. These people are animals. The Model Wars podcast peels back the glossy cover and reveals a high stakes game where survival meant more than beauty. Hosted by me, Vanessa Grigoriatis, this is the untold story of an industry built a ruthless ambition.

Listen to Model Wars on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Introducing IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally, like, in the right hands.

You're just not. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.