First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show - Zach & Lilah - Did He Escape the Room… or the Truth?

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

Zach thought he nailed his first date with Lilah — an escape room, drinks after, and even a kiss. So why did she disappear without a word? On this First Date Follow Up, what starts as a mystery about ghosting turns into a heated debate over honesty, competitiveness, and whether bending the truth “just a little” is actually a red flag. As accusations fly and emotions ramp up, you’ll want to hear exactly what was said that made Lilah walk away for good. Ever been ghosted after what you thought was an amazing date? Do you REALLY want that Second Date? The Jubal Show has your back! On First Date Follow Up, we track down the person who disappeared to get the real reason why. Awkward, hilarious, and sometimes downright shocking—First Date Follow Up delivers the truth, whether you want to hear it or not. Will there be a second date or just secondhand embarrassment? Subscribe to The Jubal Show's First Date Follow Up and find out! ➡︎ Get on The Jubal Show with your story - https://thejubalshow.com This is just a tiny piece of The Jubal Show. You can find every podcast we have, including the full show every weekday right here…➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com/podcasts The Jubal Show is everywhere, and also these places: Website ➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com  Instagram ➡︎ https://instagram.com/thejubalshow  X/Twitter ➡︎ https://twitter.com/thejubalshow  Tiktok ➡︎ https://www.tiktok.com/@the.jubal.show Facebook ➡︎ https://facebook.com/thejubalshow  YouTube ➡︎ https://www.youtube.com/@JubalFresh  Support the show: https://the-jubal-show.beehiiv.com/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Were you trying to hit her up in that time? So I did message her like a few times and they may or may not have sent the memes, but like good ones. Like funny, like jokey ones, not like desperate memes. Okay. Not like memes of somebody crying with a phone. Like nobody's called them back, like funny memes to try to get in a laugh. I mean like somewhere in between those two. solid okay i don't know how that is going to play out but let's let's go backwards why don't you

tell us about the date zach how was it um i mean i thought the date was fine i thought everything went well um basically it's actually kind of cool i thought spice it up first date's usually boring let's do an escape room so it was fun but like it was low-key stressful you know like but like teamwork first date you know go big or go home right take big swing Um, got some drinks afterwards. Things were obviously more relaxed and less like pressure filled. Um, again, good sign. We stayed until the bar closed. Like we were just talking and like, I don't know. She's so like, she's super smart, like annoyingly smart. I'm like in a good way. Like she's funny. Um, I don't know. Like even though I was nervous, I was laughing, but it was like not just nervous laughing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's good. So it ended there was a kiss. Not like. you know rom-com like in the rain like whatever moment okay solid kiss more more than a peck less than a make-out you know so like that was good yeah who who kissed who or was it mutual uh i made the first move you know but she leaned in 90 and 10 right like let's catch roncom

it didn't seem like she was just kissing you because she had to like yeah i've been there no because that that's like tech that's like a peck right and then like it's quick This was more than a pact. Okay, okay. All right. And how did you end things with her? Like, what did she say she wanted to see you again? Anything like that?

I mean, I didn't specifically say, like, what are you doing next week? I just was like, oh, great, yeah. Like, you know, like, I'll call you or whatever. You know, I'll text you. And she's like, okay, cool. And then that was, that was it. Is there anything that happened on the date that could have thrown it off? Like, what went wrong, you think?

I mean, sometimes I can get, like, competitive when I'm in, you know, like playing games and stuff. So an escape room, like, maybe I was getting to, like, passionate, I guess. Like, hey, grab that key. Like that sort of the thing. Did you freak out at all? Like a huge freak out or something? No.

We escaped, which was nice. It wasn't one of those, like, horror ones where, like, zombies e you, if you don't get it, it was just like, hey, escape, you know, escape the room. It gets hectic and a little stressful, but, like, in a good way. Okay. So I felt like it's possible that maybe I rubbed her the wrong way by being like, oh, hurry out, grab that key. And, you know, but she was kind of doing the same thing to me, so I don't know.

So, like, be honest with yourself. Was it more like giving orders or was it like more of a playful? You do it. No. And then I'll do this. I want to say it was playful, but it might have been orders. I don't know. That's the thing is sometimes you can't see yourself if I really was like standing outside

myself watching maybe. But I'm saying I know I can't get like that. I just don't know if that's how it came across. Or maybe she read it wrong, you know. Maybe you threw a look and you weren't like annoyed at her, but maybe we were thinking about something. She's like, oh, wow, what did, you know what I mean? That happens, yeah.

Yeah, what happens? Maybe, yeah, I don't know. And you said, give me the kid. How stupid are you? I was going to say on a scale of 1 to 10, how condescending. And there? What the heck? Are you just hot?

Is that it? That would kind of explain a lot. That would probably not get you another day. Most definitely not get you on me. I don't. I don't. I think I did that. I didn't do that.

Cool. Zach is on the phone and he's getting ghosted by Lila, so we're about to call her and see if she'll tell us why she's ghosting him and maybe get him another date. But first, Zach, why don't you catch us up on your situation? Yeah, I mean, she is super gorgeous, super smart. I felt like, okay, let's, you know, like, let's go big and we went to an escape room first date. I felt like that was a big swing.

And I thought it went pretty well. We did kiss. We escaped the room. With the drinks afterwards, kiss at the end of the date, ghosting since then, I feel like maybe, maybe if I had to guess, like, I know I can get competitive, so maybe I was a little competitive in the escape room. Maybe, you know, she felt like I was too pushy. I'm not sure. That could potentially be it. I don't know.

Okay. Are you ready for us to call her? Yes. All right. Here we go. Hello? Hi, may I speak to Lila, please. This is Lila.

Hi, Lila, how are you? My name is Jubel. I'm calling from a radio show. It's called The Jubel Show. Hi, Lila. I'm Nina also on the show. Hi, and I'm Victoria. Wow.

Hi. So this is, wait, so this is one of those radio shows? Yes, it is. It's one of those. Have you ever listened to the Jubal show before? I'm sure here and there, I guess. I'm not, I don't know. I usually just kind of listen to whatever's on my phone, I guess.

Okay. Well, hopefully it's us sometimes. That'd be awesome. That'd be cool if you would check it out. But anyway, we do a segment on our show, and it's called the first date follow-up. What that is is, is if you go on a date with somebody and you end up ghosting them, they can email us to get you on the phone and ask why you're ghosting them. So we actually got an email about you from someone who does have us on their phone.

okay oh my god so so people actually do this but i i didn't think this was real okay yeah they do actually do this and you're one of those people right now how's it feel yay congrats oh um i don't know and wait what is this about i'm so sorry what is this about again well you went on a date with a guy named zach recently okay yeah and zach said he really liked you um but he hasn't heard from you since the date.

It's been like two weeks, and he's wondering if you wouldn't mind telling us why you're ghosting him. Oh, I mean, yeah, I'm ghosting him because he's a liar. Oh, a liar. What was he lying about? You know, well, I mean, I thought the date was fun and cute, but after the date, I just realized that

I can't really trust anything he says. Okay. Hold up. What can't you trust what I said? What did I say? That was a lie. Lila, that's Zach. He's actually on the phone listening

and wants to talk to you and I guess couldn't wait. Oh, my God. Hi, while I'm a liar. Because we went to an escape room and he basically told his whole like backstory that was not true to the escape room staff to get extra clues to be able to come up with a lie that that quick

is just disturbing to me. Like that's not okay. You think the fact that he came up with a lie real quick like in an escape room is like he'll do that all the time is that what you're saying i mean i can't put it past him that fast like it was so fast as a good liar myself she probably has a point here thank you for the self-awareness brad and for something so small as to like get free clues like that's crazy wait a minute hold up i got the clues right we needed to get out of the escape

room, right? Like, I'm competitive. That's not, I wasn't lying. I didn't lie to them and tell them like something. I don't understand that. I'm not lying. I'm confused. Okay, but that's what a liar would say. Well, we got out of the escape room, didn't we? Like, wasn't that what we're supposed to be doing? I mean, yeah, but yeah, but at what cost? You mean, here we are. Okay. What do you consider a lie? Like, if I'm a liar, then you're a liar because you have brown hair. What is that supposed to mean? Because on your dating profile you have blonde hair.

So I guess you're a liar. Not the same thing. Saying that you have one color hair and you don't. Okay. That's not even close to the same thing. But however you want to feel is fine. Whatever, liar.

He's triggered. Like we've called each other names all day. It doesn't mean it's real. Lila, would you like to go on another date with Zach? We'll pay for it. I don't think so. I just don't really think I can trust him, to be honest. Was that a lie?

So you really mean you do want to go out on the day? No, I don't know. Look, I'm sorry you're clearly triggered, but like you did lie. You lied and you know what I'm talking about. I want to know. I do too. What you're referring to is what I think you're talking about. That is not lying.

Just by omitting the truth is not a lot. Like, it's just, oh, oh, Committing the truth is a lie. Keeping the truth from someone as a lie. That is how a lie is defined. So I'm just supposed to say everything that I know in the entire world to every person that I know to make sure that I'm not lying by not saying everything in the world. Just because I happen to know a lot about that last name, like I could be that guy's uncle. Like who's to say?

You don't know. I don't know. What are we talking about? All right. Well, Zach, I'm sorry. No second. Who is that guy? But like, that could be the truth, like, through, like, Ancestry.com and whatnot.

Like, that could be the truth. We don't know. I'm saying you don't know either. So it's a lie that you know everything. Okay, but then she said, like, it was supposed to be... Nope, liar. You're lying. You're lying.

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total wines or Bevmo. This message is intended for audiences 21 and older. Gentleman's Cut Bourbon Boone County, Kentucky. For more on Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, please visit gentlemen's cut bourbon.com. Please enjoy responsibly. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro. We were in the car, like a rolling stone came on, and he said, there's a line in there about your mother.

And I said, what? What I would do if I didn't feel like I was being accepted is choose an identity that other people can't have. I knew something had happened to me in the middle of the night, but I couldn't hold on to what had happened. These are just a few of the moving and important stories on my 13th season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Whether it is getting swatted or just hateful messages online, there is a lot of harm and even just reading the comments. That's cybersecurity expert Camille Stewart Gloucester on the Therapy for Black Girls podcast. Every season is a chance to grow.

And the Therapy for Black Girls podcast is here to walk with you. I'm Dr. Joy Harden Bradford and each week we dive into real conversations that help you move with more clarity and confidence. This episode, we're breaking down what really happens to your information. information online and how to protect yourself with intention. Listen to therapy for black girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Dr. Laurie Santos from the Happiness Lab here. It's the season of giving. And this year, my podcast, The Happiness Lab, is partnering with Give Directly, a nonprofit that provides people in extreme poverty with the cash they need as part of the Pods Fight Poverty campaign. Our goal this year is to raise $1 million, which will

bring over 700 families out of extreme poverty. Your donation will put cash directly in the hands of these families in need, and they'll get to decide how to use it, whether that's school transportation, purchasing livestock, or starting a business. Plus, if you're a first-time donor, your gift will be matched by giving multiplier, which means more money for those in need. Visit givedirectly.org slash happiness lab to learn more and to donate. That's givedirectly.org slash happiness lab. What are the cycles fathers passed down that sons are left to heal? What if being a man wasn't about holding it all together, but learning how to let go?

This is a space where men speak truth and find the power to heal and transform. I'm Mike Della Rocha. Welcome to Sacred Lessons. Listen to Sacred Lessons on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an I-Heart podcast, guaranteed human.