First Date Follow Up - The Jubal Show - Zara & Daniel - A Kiss, a Canvas… and the Ghosting Mystery No One Saw Coming

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

After an amazing night of painting, pizza, and a bold first kiss, Zara was sure her connection with Daniel was real, until he disappeared. The Jubal Show calls Daniel to uncover the truth, and his explanation brings up jealousy, past trauma, and one major boundary issue that divides the room. Perfect for listeners who love unexpected dating confessions, relationship red flags, and viral ghosting stories, this episode delivers a twist that keeps you hooked until the end. Ever been ghosted after what you thought was an amazing date? Do you REALLY want that Second Date? The Jubal Show has your back! On First Date Follow Up, we track down the person who disappeared to get the real reason why. Awkward, hilarious, and sometimes downright shocking—First Date Follow Up delivers the truth, whether you want to hear it or not. Will there be a second date or just secondhand embarrassment? Subscribe to The Jubal Show's First Date Follow Up and find out! ➡︎ Get on The Jubal Show with your story - https://thejubalshow.com This is just a tiny piece of The Jubal Show. You can find every podcast we have, including the full show every weekday right here…➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com/podcasts The Jubal Show is everywhere, and also these places: Website ➡︎ https://thejubalshow.com  Instagram ➡︎ https://instagram.com/thejubalshow  X/Twitter ➡︎ https://twitter.com/thejubalshow  Tiktok ➡︎ https://www.tiktok.com/@the.jubal.show Facebook ➡︎ https://facebook.com/thejubalshow  YouTube ➡︎ https://www.youtube.com/@JubalFresh Support the show: https://the-jubal-show.beehiiv.com/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's been like 10 days. And have you reached out to him? Yeah, no, I have. I've reached out and, I mean, we had been texting pretty much every day before he started ghosting me.

I hate that. So now he's not responding. That sucks. Tell us about your date. Sorry. Well, we did like the paint and sit night. Oh, cool. I had like a group on, so please don't judge.

No, no, I love a group on, girl. It was actually really, really fun time. And I made this joke about being cheap, and Daniel laughed about it. And he even said it made me seem resourceful, which he was really into it. and um he was doing really well in his painting like he was like too good at blending sky colors like I was suspicious of that but we were getting like along really well and like you know we were sipping wine and sharing brushes and teasing each other and I don't know and he like kept complimenting me on my painting you know the desert night theme and my painting wasn't that great so

I know he was just being nice. I thought he was being flirty. So I thought it was going well. And then we grabbed like a bite of pizza afterwards. We wanted to keep the night going. And that's where we really kind of got to know each other. We talked about family and our childhood pets and music. And it just kind of just all flowed together.

It felt really easy. Did you guys kind of get a little closer? Was there like touchy flirtation? Yeah, I kissed him. Okay. You know, he was looking at me, and I really needed to know that the energy was real, so I just kind of went for it. And, like, I literally did, like, I put my hand on his face, and I kissed him. Wait, I need to picture this, Sarah.

So you guys are sitting there, like, you're having your pizza, you're talking, and all of a sudden you just look at him, grab his face and smooch him? well i mean it's not like it was like while we're chewing on our pizza but you know we were we were eating pizza and he was giving me this look and it was just it just felt like the right moment and you know i just yeah and i went for it and i went for it and he actually said he loved that i made the first move because most girls don't so i don't that's what turned him on or turned him off so i don't know I mean, guys, he, like, made me feel so seen. Like, even when I was being weird or extra, like, he really leaned into it. And I didn't feel like I had to tone myself down, which is rare.

That's nice. And, like, the kids, like, I actually got butterflies, like, teenage movie butterflies type of thing. All of this sounds so good. Is there anything that could have happened that would have set it off? I mean, I got, I mean, I was flirty. And at one point during the painting, I leaned in over to like fix something on his canvas and I painted, I painted Z and D in the stars, like a joke, you know, just like a joke. And he laughed, but he did say like, oh, slow down. We're not getting married yet.

And he said, yeah, like he felt it too, you know? Like it wasn't like he was freaked out. at least that's what I don't, I don't think. Okay. Okay, well, we'll see if we can figure it out for you. We'll play a song, come back, and then call him and see if he'll tell us why he's ghosting you and then get you a second date if you still want one, okay? Okay.

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I kissed him and I did get a little too flirty maybe. and this is why I think maybe he's ghosting me. I did paint the letters Z and D in the stars of his painting and his canvas, like a joke. Like Z plus D equals love. Maybe he was like this too serious, too soon or something. Or maybe he just didn't like that you painted on his painting because he was working so long. Perhaps, yeah. All right, well, we'll see if we can find out if that is the reason or if it's something else.

Are you ready for us to call him? Yes, I am. Okay, here we go. Hello? Hi, may I speak to Daniel, please? This is a radio show. It's called The Jubal Show. Yeah, hi, Daniel. I'm Nina. Hi, I'm Victoria. And my name is Jewel. What's up?

Hi. Hi, hi, guys. Hi, everyone. What's up? Have you listened to the show before? Yeah, sometimes in the morning I hear it come on. What's, um, is this a segment? Wow. Wow. Yes, it is. You know in terminology and stuff.

Daniel, I don't know if you've ever heard a first date follow up before, but that's the segment we do where if you go out on a date with somebody and then you end up ghosting them, that person can email us to get you on the phone and ask why you're ghosting. So we got an email about you from somebody. Oh, wow. Okay. Any idea who would email us? I think I know who this is about.

Is it Zara? Yes. Yeah. It is about Zara. Zara talked to us and told us about your date. Said it was awesome. I thought you really liked her too. And now she says you're not talking to her.

So would you mind telling us? Yeah. No, I did like her. I liked her a lot. She is awesome. And we had a really good time together. And she's like, she's funny and she's like, you know, confident. and she's really pretty

but I guess I guess I kind of ghosted her Yeah, but we know That part we know, but why? I mean this is weird to bring up and I would have wanted to tell her this but so she has a doggy daddy Do you know what that is?

Like share a dog with someone? She told me about this while we were like doing this paint and sip thing that she has a dog that she shares custody of with her ex. Mm-hmm. And

I don't know, it didn't sit right with me. It was like it felt like you're still trying to have like a connection to this person. And they weren't married. They don't have kids. So why are they sharing a dog? You hear

people do this a lot. I mean, you kind of get attached to the little fuzzy guy. so what is it really that she said that made you feel like this was weird, just that she told you that she had one? Yeah, you know, it's weird. It brought it up for me because I've been in a situation like this before, so I had an ex and her doggy daddy. Like she had her ex before me.

They were, so my ex and her doggy dad, like they were really close. And then it turned out they were still hooking up. Oh, okay. So you've gotten burned with this before. Yeah, like she'd be like, oh, I'm going to go over and pick up the dog. And then I wouldn't hear from her. And then it turned out at the end like, oh, yeah, I was hooking up with him on like our drop-off days. And I, like, I don't want to go through that again.

Yeah, actually, I feel like you. I mean, I was trying to play devil's advocate to help out Zara a little bit. But I feel you. Daddy's and mommies are just extra complicated. Like, why? Yeah. I mean, it's understandable. You'd be scared if that happened to you before.

exactly yeah i i just don't want to get back on that horse again you i don't know well thank you for being honest with us and now i'll be honest with you zara is actually on the phone and has been listening and wants to talk to you daniel oh uh hi well you know i'm not your aunt no i know that i didn't i guess you heard all that i didn't mean it's not i mean it's weird it's me it's my stuff like i mean seriously i i you think i'm going to be sneaking around with my ex as we should because just because we share our dog like no i mean it's possible you know if you if you this is someone you were with if you aren't with him now you might it could be in the future like i don't know it's like a pattern for me there's this emotional tie and you said it was your

idea to keep him in your life and that felt like a big deal i mean fine I'll just give up the dog, Daniel. Done. I'll send him to his dad and that's that. No, no, no, no. Don't do that. That's insane. Don't do that.

But I want you, Daniel. Like, that's what this is. I want you. There's really nothing to explore here, like I think. You're being ridiculous. But I just felt like we had like a really great connection. And I know you felt it too. Wait, if you give up on a dog that quickly, I don't,

what's to say you wouldn't give up on a road? relationship with me that quickly. That's a good point. Because I'm willing to get up my dog for you. Like, doesn't that speak volumes? I don't want you to give up your dog for me. But listen, I did like you a lot. And I thought we definitely had a connection.

And I do not, again, please don't give up your dog for me. But if you feel like that, I maybe would maybe see if we can give this a try again. Well, you know, while we were talking, I just texted my ex and I told him that he can have the dog and I can drop him off later at his house. What? No. Are you serious? Your enthusiasm is wonderful, but that doesn't feel rash to you? I mean, I want to be in a relationship.

I want to have somebody to share my life with. And this is the way to do it. Then, yeah. Okay. Well, maybe you guys could talk about it more. I would say hold off for just like, you know, count to 10 for a little while before you drop the dog off because maybe you might, you know, keep it. I don't want you to make me crazy, like last minute decision or quick decisions like that. But hey, Daniel, would you like to go out as sorry again?

We'll pay for it. Yes. If that's what's on the table, yes. If it's about giving up a dog, let's circle back to that. Okay, so we will go out again. It's just, I just won't give up the dog right away, right? Please don't give up your dog. I would love to meet your doggy daddy at some point.

All right. Well, congratulations, Aura. You got another date. Yay, guys. Yeah, I'm so happy. Yeah. That makes me feel weird. Joubles' first date follow-up.

Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA, and I want to tell you about my new podcast called The Mailroom. And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like most guys, I haven't been to the doctor in way too long. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Every week, we're breaking down the world of men's health from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility. We'll talk science without the jargon and get your real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about.

So check out the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. What up, y'all? It's your boy, Kevin on stage. I want to tell you about my new podcast called Not My Best Moment, where I talk. Talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak? And what did they learn from it? I got judged horribly.

The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show. Check out Not My Best Moment with me kept on stage on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. On this week's episode of the next chapter, I, TD Jakes, get to stay. Sit down with Oprah Winfrey, a media mogul, philanthropist, and global trailblazer. I could feel inside myself at four or five years old, looking through the screen on the back porch, that this is not going to be my life. Listen to the next chapter on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast, episodes drop weekly. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the On Purpose podcast.

Recently, I had the honor of sitting down with the iconic Chris Jenner. Even if one of your children has been through something really difficult with their partner or an ex-partner, you still love them as part of the unit and the family. These are the fathers of my grandchildren, and that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions. that keep you up at night. I'm Dr. Priyankawali, a double board certified physician.

And I'm Hurricane Dibolu, a comedian and someone who once Googled, do I have scurvy at 3 a.m. And on our show, we're talking about health in a different way, like our episode where we look at diabetes. In the United States, I mean, 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic. How preventable is type 2? Extremely. Listen to health stuff on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.