F**kface - Geoff & Gavin: Date Night // Geoff to Genesis [128]

Episode Date: October 21, 2026

Geoff, Gavin and Andrew talk about vacation, energy depletion, FOMO, supplemental, weird Nick, Twin Peaks, emergency phone, Philly Gav, Garfield phone, get Minter up and moving around, Control Resonant, toothpaste memory, lemonade, kangaroos, Gavin guess, UK, license plate, pizza count, bad pie, potato draft, french fry quiz, blame acceptance, Gears, a Nick observation, and Geoff updates speedrun. Sponsored by Factor. Thanks Factor! Go to FACTORMEALS.com/regulation50off and use code regulation50off to get 50% off and 1 free breakfast item per box for 1 year, while supplies last until 10/31/2026. (See website for more details). Also sponsored by Shopify. Start your free trial at shopify.com/regulation Support us directly at https://www.patreon.com/TheRegulationPod Stay up to date, get exclusive supplemental content, and connect with other Regulation Listeners. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Regulation Podcast. This is number 128. My name is Jeff Ramsey with me as always. Eric Bador, Gavin Free, Nick Schwartz, Andrew Patton. That's a lot of names. Hello. Dilly Popp. How's everybody doing?

How long have you been dilly popping now, Andrew? You know, we're nearing the end of the year, so I'm really trying to get my pops in. It's much impossible. This is, I'm aware of three episodes in a row now that he's hard popped. He keeps dilly popping, man. A lot. Are you against the... I can reduce the Dillipoppins

if it's too much. I'm loving it. No, I think it's just unusual. I think that's why we pointed it out. Yeah, it's like we got to the end of the year and I haven't been Dillie Poppin, so I got to be Dillie popping. Yeah, I don't have a problem with that.

Or else what was ever the point? I don't think it was criticism more just acknowledgement that things are different now. They are different. That's true. Making a real effort to pop. Anybody else? Nick, you making any efforts to pop lately?

Okay. How's everybody doing? I have been gone. I was on vacation for eight days and we didn't record last week, so I haven't spoken to most of you. You didn't record. In a couple of years.

That's true. We didn't record the podcast is what I'm referring to. That's true. I'm just saying, I'm vocalizing that you missed out on stuff. That was my point in emphasizing. You're trying to make you feel about it?

Yeah, I don't, I guess. I guess he's trying to dig. We explained to Jeff on Monday what it is that we recorded. that's not out by the time of this recording, that it was just Andrew lighting himself on fire for one hour straight. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was a great time.

I don't have fun. Is that like the most concentrated depletion of energy you've ever had? It might be. I don't know. It was a bad day. Like, I had a terrible sleep that night. I think I slept for like two and a half hours,

woke up, did that, felt so drained after recording that, had an hour nap, recorded gears. And then streamed. But yeah, it was depleted. New show coming out soon. Yeah, you guys are teasing a new show. Do you want to say what it is?

Because I don't even really know what it is. I just know I saw the title. So I'm in Arizona, right, on vacation for eight days. And I see the calendar. And on the calendar is you guys are recording something called regulation brainstorm. And my heart immediately sunk to my feet. because of two reasons. One, I experience, for the first time, I think in my life,

I experience FOMO now, and it is because of regulation. I don't think I had it at FI-Face, honestly. But I have it now, and when you guys make stuff and I'm not there, I want to die. Like, I want to curl up into a ball and die because I know I'm missing something so much fun. And the idea that you guys are recording, A, a new show, and B, it was called Regulation Brainstorm or Brainstorming,

which is my other favorite thing. to do is to brainstorm and to come up with new ideas. And I have no idea that the show is that. It's just what it was titled. I had a morning sitting at a diner, like a Route 66 diner in Arizona where I was just like shovel and waffles in my mouth and just fucking had a thousand yards stairs thinking about all the fun you were having without me at that exact moment and just feeling like a loser. It is an idea that branched out in my head at least to what will be a much larger idea that I'm going to pitch to you guys on Monday. But it was a supplemental idea where it was,

uh, we came together and kind of like discussed an idea for a thing to do. And then we, we kind of made contributions and edited it a little bit and then recorded it. And, uh, it's, uh, it's a lot.

It's a lot for a first episode. I'm excited to do another one where I'm not as much of the focus. And I think you'll be great at it, Jeff. When it eventually gets to your, it is, uh, originally called, uh,

regulation bodyguard and then it ended up getting brainstormed into regulation gatekeeper. Yes, yeah, regulation gatekeeper, I think, is what we ended up going with it. It's so good. It's so good. So you're saying, I'll be good at gatekeeping?

You don't even know, dude. You have no idea. There is a genuine, I think, concern and maybe condiments will be part of it, but it could be a condiment moment for you. But you're in full control, so I don't think it'll be a negative

explosion ultimately. But you'll be on the stand. I'm always in full control. Damn. Okay. I liken it to Andrew giving us all guns, putting them in our hands, and then pointing all of our hands at his head.

Yet somehow, I think the weirdest person in the video is Nick. I don't know how that worked out. Nick is the weirdest person in the video by a mile. It's not close. It's not close. Hey Gavin, I have a question for you as a bit of an aside. Okay.

Just a second, I threw down a line that I felt like it was pretty cool, and I said it in the cool way I was hoping, which is I got news free, bud, I'm always in control. That was me lampooning Gordon Cole. Did I pull it off as cool as he did in that episode 17 and Twin Peaks that we watched together? Where he was like, I still got it where it counts, buddy. I felt like you were quoting something, but I couldn't place it.

That was such a funny moment. he was so good. Holy shit. So you two had a date night. Finally. Why is it got to be a date night? Why can't Gavin and I just hang out because we're best friends?

Because you had been attempting to schedule it for multiple attempts. Yeah, you don't do that. My wife kept bugging me. It was definitely a date night. At some point, I texted Gavin. She was like, fucking text him, you want to hang out.

And so I texted him. And it said, she was watching. And then he had a, he had the, you know, whatever it's called, like silence mode on. and it's like alert anyway and obviously I'm not gonna do that because that's like the rudest thing on earth and my wife pushed it

and it's like no alert him now he needs to know and I'm like no don't do that's the rudest thing ever and she's like he's your best friend and I felt so terrible and I didn't know how to tell you I didn't push that button Gavin I would never have alerted you anyway

she did it oh well if it makes you feel better I didn't notice it I mean it all comes up on my computer so that's where I saw it it's that one sat with me for a little bit are we talking about the slack when somebody has their like silence mode on, there's a button when you send a message that says notify anyway.

Not on Slack on text. It's the same thing, but on text. Really? I only get that on Slack. You don't have the same phones as we do. No, definitely not, but I was, I'm going to say, I sent back in the FAC face days. I sent Larry a let's play related Slack at like 2 a.m. and I accidentally hit the button. And my heart sank. I was like, oh, fuck. Oh, no. Oh, I feel so bad. Just please. I just thought it was so important. No, it was so not important. It was just a, I had a thought,

and I wanted to make sure I sent it out before I forgot, and then I accidentally hit the button, and the worst feeling in the world was seeing him respond to it. I was like, oh, oh, no, I'm so sorry. I did not mean to do that. That just means he was up. Yeah, he was up after the alert woke him up. Yeah, exactly.

A hundred percent. Sweating. He was like, the rooster team. phone. In my head at least, like there's no escape from that. There's no, I can't convince myself otherwise that I didn't wake him up at a time that he did not need to be up. What if we all had an old school emergency telephone hotline in our house? Yeah, I think my wife would like kill me, I think. Well, it only rings in a regulation emergency. And what is a regulation emergency to you? I don't know, we haven't had one yet. Do you want a bat phone, essentially? I think we need to come to

terms, I guess no. I think more emergencies would occur when we have a mechanism to declare emergencies. I agree. I agree with you, Andrew. A hundred percent. Yeah, I get totally. You're inviting emergency by adding this into our homes. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with inviting emergency in, but that is 100% what's happening. If we've all, if we'd all had like a red old school helpline phone sat in our house the last six years, I don't think it would have wrong. I disagree I disagree also What would have run it

I don't think It would turn into a Why aren't you here Yeah Yeah you would have just used it Like When I slept through the stream It would have been used

When you slept through Mario Party Where we all woke up at like Or at least I woke up At 5.30 a.m. I don't think either of those They're not emergencies Right

No I agree They're not emergencies You're right, but I don't think that that means the phone wouldn't be used. I personally would not have used the phone in either of the... Well, especially the one I was asleep, I wouldn't have used it. The other one, I also wouldn't have used the phone. Hey, guys, I'm asleep. I would do it at 4 in the morning constantly, and when you pick up the phone, I'd go,

okay, cool, I was just a test to make sure it works. Thank you. There's no testing of the emergency system allowed. I got to test it. Otherwise, I won't know that it's going to work when I need it. an emergency system. I'm kind of with Jeff on this. I think it's bad to test it. No, you can't. There's no point having it if you don't test it.

Because then you can't rely on it because then when you need it doesn't fucking work because you didn't test it and you didn't know that it didn't work. How often do you test your non-emergency phone? I use my phone five hours a day. What are you talking about? When is my phone not on my hand? All right. That was it? That was your big gotcha?

Sometimes Gavin just throws stuff out there. And I think the accent carries it. Sometimes. If you were from like Philadelphia, you would come across so much dumber than you do in those moments. Yeah, you'd call it water and like we would make fung for way more, man. Yeah, you're a water. I'm onion.

It's weird. You're a real duo. I agree that an emergency system should be tested if it's life and death. But I love the idea of a dusty, untested emergency system that may or may not work. Man, not in an emergency. when it comes for a phone. Mm-mm-mm. I like the idea of Philly Gav.

You know what? That's what we should be using data centers and AI for, making shit like Philly Gav. Philly Gav. Yeah, that should deplete water is Philly Gav. South Philly. South Philly Gav. South Philly Gav. The only way that I'm into your emergency system, Gavin, is if we all have a key that

needs to be turned for it to be activated. If we all agree. But then how would we, wait? What if there's an emergency where somebody is unable to turn the key? And that's the emergency. Yeah, exactly. But then who, wait. I was just trying to sneak this by without it ever going off.

No, that's stupid. That's Philly Andrew talking. That is. That's classic Philly Andrew. Yeah. Yeah. That West Philly Andrew. Yeah.

Because I would never turn my key. We all got to turn the key and say go birds. What if you can sleep the emergency? phone for like eight hour periods. Go birds is such a funny say for it. It's like some secret agent shit where you have to say the code for it.

Go birds. Did you Gavin just sneak in what if we can sleep the phone for an hour? Eight hours, I think. For eight hours. Well then you really don't need to have the fucking like... Yeah, the emergency is becoming lesser and lesser. That's only used in the case what you

want asleep so good, you don't even care about emergencies. That's every night of my life. That's every night. That can't be every night. I don't care about emergencies from 11 p.m. to 5 a.m. No kidding. You wouldn't care about emergency? It's an emergency.

I'm asleep. If I have the ability to snooze it for eight hours, what does it matter? I just don't think there's need for an emergency phone. I just don't think. I just don't think we're going to get it. I don't think it's going to land. I think we need to figure out how to use the Garfield phone. Yeah, no kidding.

We still haven't set up the Garfield phone. That's true. I think it's set up. Yeah, we haven't. Let's get the Garfield phone working and then we can discuss the others. Didn't you test our emergency Garfield phone and it didn't work? Yeah, and then I said I've fixed it. Let me ask you guys a question.

We have a Garfield phone, right? Yeah. Yeah. Not for emergencies. No, no. It's not for emergencies. We're discussing. putting in landlines in our homes for emergencies.

I'd like to go on record before it gets lost as saying, I am for it, but I will be testing it consistently and constantly, because I want to make sure that it works in the event that we do need it. But assuming we were to do it, what would our phones be? We already have a Garfield phone. I kind of want a football phone. What kind of phone would you guys want?

You want a football phone? That's interesting. That's so interesting because I don't think of you as much of a football guy. Yeah, it's more of a hold-up. from my childhood. It's, oh, Snoopy phone's good. Have you seen basketball phones before? I feel like you'd much. Okay. And you're still opting for football.

I think the football phone, the shape, wins itself. And it's just such an iconic item from my childhood. Like, this was on TV every day of my childhood. Oh, yours is like this. Oh, interesting. That one's cool too. That one's cool too. That one's cool too. I've seen them both. I was, I don't know that I've seen a flip open football phone. I like flip open football phone way more. That's cool because you can just throw it. Like when you hang up, you throw a spiral. You close it.

No way, dude, spiral. I'm spiking it. I'm doing the icky shuffle. It should have that. Should be like a baseball phone that tracks speed. Yeah. And has the cord. So just it comes back to, oh, I like this idea a lot.

Oh, you know, dude, you know what I want. I like the idea of a Snoopy phone. I want the bullpen phone. I want to... That's a great phone, dude. I want to go to the lefty in the pen. Yeah, the matchups look good. A couple of righties coming up.

I want to go to my left handers. Now, are you saying you want to be Tony Larusa as well here? Yeah, I love... Yeah, you know, his legacy is just so strong. He's done so much good, you know? He definitely ended strong in his career with the White Sox. I love the idea of a bull... Dude, going to like the bullpen phone?

Oh, that'd be so... So you were winning Eric over here. You got me with football phone. You got him with a bullpen phone. So what is a bullpen phone? You're calling. That's that's the, they actually have this, Andrew, in baseball. When you need to call out to your bullpen because your pitcher is like tired, you can pick up

the phone and it goes to the bullpen. A guy picks up and you go, hey, get more a hon-up, warm up, that thing. Oh, it's awesome. Why don't you just go there? The bullpen is across the field. You can't go there. You'd have to go through the playable field to get there. Why don't just stand with them all the time?

What? What? Wait, do the what? Just be in the bullpen. You can't see the field from the bullpen. You wouldn't be able to manage the game. You can't see the field. Where's the bullpen down the street?

No, no. It's behind. Gavin, think about when we went to a Round Rock Express game. Yeah. The dugouts are by home plate, like on either side of first and third base. The bullpens are out in left field and right field. Behind the home run wall. Behind the...

That's where they warm up. Oh. That's stupid. Why? You know how much space it takes to house a bullpen? How big is a bullpen? It's got to be at least 40 feet long. Yeah, and it's where everyone hangs out if you're a relief pitcher, so it's pretty big.

And it's got to, yeah, it's got to contain, what, eight to 12 pitchers probably? Yeah, it's out there. And then, you know, if you're, if you're a relief pitcher, you just, you just watch the game. You just watch the game from behind, behind a fence, like a caged animal. Well, I think it should be like a lifeguard chair in the bullpen. Mm. Oh, you, you, yeah, but then you're going to, you might get him. hit by a ball.

Yeah. If everyone in the crowd might get hit by a ball. Suck it up. I don't know if I've ever heard Gavin say suck it up. No kidding. Also, they used to, Gavin, just so you know, the bullpen where it's behind something is a relatively new thing in terms of baseball. It just used to be in foul territory where the ball would just come like whizzing by you.

Interesting. That's way better. I also like that Gavin is simultaneously arguing four phones for us and against phones where it's clearly demonstrated as useful in baseball. Yeah, you're right. Andrew, maybe you've seen it. I bet Jeff has. Have you ever seen that the prank phone call where the guys find, I think it's Oklahoma States. No, no, they call.

maybe Texas A&M, they find the phone number for the bullpen. Oh, no. And these, like, college kids call and they say, get A.J. Minter up and moving around. And the guy goes, what? And he says, get Minter up and moving around. They hang up, and then the camera cuts, and they show AJ Minter taking off his stuff and going up to go and start warming up. It's so good.

Oh, man. It's so, it never occurred to me until that. radically wrong number of bullpen. Yep. Yep. That's crazy. I don't know why I never thought about the idea that it's just on the network. Like in my head it had a special bullpen number.

I thought it'd be intercom. I'll be honest. I have not seen that. And I always assumed that it was like a closed system that they only worked with each other. Like a tin can and a string. That was like the Joe Montana thing for the NFL, right? How they had like sideline phones

and he would just call his wife during games. He'd call his wife. Oh, I loved it. Yep. So cool. What kind of phone would you have, Nick? I think a goofy phone. You mean like the Disney goofy or like a silly phone?

It's both. Oh, okay. Why does, wait, I found a different picture and it looks like he's praying. I like the one Eric posted because it looks like goofy is like scheming. And the one Nick posted, Goofy is like scheming. Nick posted, Goofy's just sitting. Why are there two? That is a great question.

It's the same phone with two different poses. It makes no sense. He looks like the, he looks like the Bugs Bunny meme where he says, forgive me, Lord, but it's time to go back to the old thing. He looks to me like an old guy sitting outside a train station on a bench waiting for the train to show up. Isn't that the same pose? Are they in the same pose? but his head is looking up, isn't it?

No, his head is up, his head is down. Yeah, you can clearly see the gray of his eyes on the bottom and see that it's not there on the top. Yeah. I just thought his eyes rubbed off. Zoom in, him just sitting there. See? Like, his head is down. It has to be something we're either...

He doesn't have like a hobo pat? It's hobo goofy? What if he's like... It is hobo-goofy? He's meld. He's got a pillow with a patch on it. He's like a hobo-y. doing well. Oh, maybe he's sleeping.

Yeah, he's like, oh, it's vagrant goofy. He is. He's like, he's like sleeping and then you pick up the phone and he probably like opens his eyes. Hard times goofy. I'm picking the hotline from control. That's pretty awesome. Wow! I can't even dial out on it. That's great.

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Oh, you beat it? Oh, it's so good. Yeah, loved it. Damn. Kind of makes me want to play Control 1 again. Oh, it's so good. Control Resident is fucking awesome. All right.

It is a really fun game. It is a game. I have a history of fucking up control games in ways not intended. I played it backwards, I would say, was my first issue. What? Where you go to the open zones

and I did the park first and then it was very clear that the park was supposed to be the last area that you do because I got to the boss fight and it was like, hey, you need to unlock abilities before you can proceed.

And just the order I ended up going and just from exploring the world was like I clearly did the first zone. But I'm pretty sure she told you the good order. Yeah, I just started exploring. Like, I know, like, she lays out, but I was like, okay, I'm just going to, like, try to find side quests and collectibles, because I love the lord of that world. So, I was looking around. The second mistake I made in that game,

and I had someone give me a heads up, but I misinterpreted it, or they didn't, I don't remember if I misunderstood or if they just explained it in a specific way. But that game is unique in the sense of you have one weapon, but it is a weapon that can adjust and change to be different things. So it has like four optional forms of attack and then like different counters. And there's like a primary attack and a secondary attack.

And I was told to make sure to upgrade the secondary attack, even if you don't really use it, because it goes towards the overall damage of the weapon. I figured out what play style I liked really quickly in that. So I picked my primary, my secondary, and I upgraded those. And I did not touch any.

any of the other stuff until near the end of the game. And then realize that even the forms of attack you don't use, upgrade the overall damage of the weapon, because it's technically all the same weapon. So when you play Resident, make sure to upgrade everything. Even stuff you don't use. But that's what you just described, though. No, I thought, because there's four primary attacks,

and there's four secondary attacks. So I thought I only needed to upgrade the primary attack I was using and the secondary attack I was using. doesn't it tell you to upgrade it doesn't I mean it doesn't matter you're not paying attention to what the thing wants you to do anyway so I don't know why I'm asking it already happened sorry do you think you were

more confused by the warning than if you just figured it out yourself the warning what warning whoever told you this information oh no uh I was I was like you know what that's a good tip because I didn't notice that and I'm going to do that and I noticed it was upgrading it but it

never I never connected to even if I'm using a different type of that weapon that it would also help the overall weapon regardless of what you're using because it's kind of a unique weapon system in that game yeah it's a stick it's a stick but it's a stick that can be like six different sticks it's true it's it's like a universal stick weapon that game also has such a great joke uh of the first i guess it depends on the order you do it There is a resident boss in that game, which is like each sector has a main bad guy. And there's one bad guy that is a fire bad guy.

And I'm sure Eric recognized it, but there's such a funny reveal. I didn't realize this person was the voice actor of that character until they indicate it. But it is almost a joke in itself just seeing them. You know what I'm talking about, Eric? No, I didn't clock who the voice actor was. Really? Yeah. Here, I'm going to post a photo of, you beat.

this giant flaming enemy and then you get a collectible of their key card of what they look like I grabbed that but I think I just glossed right over it I didn't even notice I'm gonna post it you look at it I feel like you should

I went this is I find this hilarious Gavin has is gonna have no idea who this person is right and that was accurate I texted him about it was like hey you know who this is he said no oh I know who that is I'm not, I have no idea.

What is this? That's Young Gravy. Young Gravy's the voice actor of that character. Oh my God, that's really him. So I had such a funny reaction of, you fight this giant flaming boss, and then you grab their character ID, and I didn't know that he did the voice work of the character. So it's just this thing if you fight this giant boss, and then it's Young Gravy, and I thought that is such a funny joke.

I didn't even clock, I didn't even clock that that was him at all. How wild. I grabbed that, and I'm like, oh, how interesting. You get to see this guy's, oh, I wonder what this character's all about. Oh, he's about white rap. Awesome. Like what? Young Gravy is a SoundCloud kind of like comedy rapper, Gavin.

Yeah. He's mostly known, at least I know of him, because he likes to date older women. He likes to date like moms. Yeah. And he's done some voice acting like he was in, um, fuck that superhero game that's really good that I'm blanking the name of. But yeah, I guess he did the voice acting for the character, so they included him. his likeness for the collectible, but I just, randomly encountering young gravy felt like such a control universe thing anyway

that I just thought it was a funny, like, joke type thing, but that's a great game. Highly recommend it. I have a follow-up note about taste stuff, tongue stuff. Okay. I was thinking, like, because I've talked to the past about toothpaste memory, which is where, when you switch, When you switch toothpaste, it's weird, it's weird like twice, and then you just get used to it.

It's weird twice, and then you get used to it. Like, you're like, oh, you're like, oh, that's this taste, it tastes different. And then you're immediately over it within like two brushes. But where is that stored? Like, if I went back in time to when I was like 20 and I brushed my teeth, would I suddenly recognize the different toothpaste? or would it be the toothpaste I had last night in my 20s? And would it not register?

I mean, I don't think it's any different than if you drank coffee every day for a year and then one day drank tea and you'd go, oh, this is different. And then after the second cup of tea, you'd be like, oh, I'm used to it. It's just a different flavor from different product. Yeah, I don't know if I have that experience with toothpaste. It's every time I use it, I go, this tastes kind of gross. I'm also not switching up toothpaste that often. That's also true.

Yeah, I feel like when I switch countries. That's interesting. Yeah, you have unique problems, I think. That's interesting. I always thought it was a universal toothpaste, toothpaste being weird twice, and then it's normal. Is that just not the case? I think it's a thing where you're anticipating a flavor,

and then it's a different flavor. I think that's all it is. Do you have a different brand, depending on the country you're in? I guess even if it's the same brand, like there is always, it seems like ingredient taste differences between a US and anywhere else products. This is one of those things where you're going to be like

toothpaste in the UK tastes better and toothpaste in America makes me shit more. No, I don't think I have a preference. I just have a noticeable difference when I switch. I have like a, oh yeah, this toothpaste. Do you feel that way about other things? Like, oh, this pillow feels? Oh, right, it's a different pillow.

I'm sleeping in a different house tonight. It's weird the first night. Do you have it with other things as well or is it just taste? I think it's taste. I tried to find a tasty toothpaste recently, and I have not had any luck. What does that mean? What's just toothpaste is terrible tasting, just in general? Like, it's just not a pleasant experience, I would say.

I think it's fine. That's totally, it's totally unnoticeable. I have no idea what my toothpaste tastes like. You actually find it to be bad? It's just, it's not a taste I would ever. seek. It's not a flavor I'd ever want. It's fine for what it is. It's not like this is the worst

feeling ever, but I just have never had a toothpaste experience. I was like, oh, this is, I like the taste of this. The flavor, it's just like goopy gum. It's like no different than I've, maybe, I've leaned maybe too far into mint, and I'm not a big mint person in general. So if you got the KFC fried

chicken toothpaste, that's like a little more up your alley? I would definitely try it. Oh, you're a freak. You're nuts. I would, I'm on phased by that as a trying thing. There is, uh, I believe it was a Canadian collaboration recently did a craft mac and

cheese soda and that I have no interest in. That just is too much to me. But a KFC toothpaste feels appropriate. How about a pumpkin spice toothpaste? Totally appropriate. That feels fine. Okay. What if it's really far in like the other direction where it's Swedish fish?

That sounds like awesome. What I agree? Gavin, Swedish fish tooth face sounds phenomenal. I don't want to eat Swedish fish right now, let alone brush my teeth with it. Well, here's, this is mint free. It's simply lemon flavored. Is that something you're looking for?

Straight up lemon is always dangerous. It's always straight up lemon is always dangerous. Does lemonade refresh? Does lemonade refresh? I had this thought recently. Yes. Okay. I don't know if it hydrates.

and the same way other drinks I was at a grocery store the other day and I was looking at they had lemonade on sale and I thought about buying it but then I thought like I don't think I ever felt like like my thirst was parched

after lemonade. Isn't that like a go-to for refreshing that? Well it's like the ideal like you're out in the hot sun and you find lemonade and it's refreshing like I feel like that's definitely the drink. Yeah you know sometimes you just find it out the wild. Well, it's like a lemonade stand.

Like in my head when I'm picturing this oasis, it is a lemonade stand you come across. It's extremely hot. You're relieved by the aid of lemon. Is that real? How often do you come in across a stand? Not often. Much less these days.

Nobody has cash these days. I don't feel like you can really even do a lemonade stand. You can just tap. You can get these little readers. I don't know if I'd trust a kid with a tap. It's a definite range If it's like 12 and up

I think between the 12 and 15 Which is I feel like kind of pushing it For maybe a lemonade stand I would trust the tap If you're like 5 through 9 You're this is a scam by your parents That you're just not aware of Stealing my information

I don't trust that Well they don't like scrape your info On a tap I don't think They can Absolutely can How I don't know. You said tap.

You said on a tap and my brain went to on an insert and you're right. I don't know how it tap, but you'd think they'd be able to on a tap. Couldn't it work the same way in a tap as it does on an insert? I don't think kids are tapping. Really? When we look, I run across a lemonade stand or a Girl Scout cookie stand pretty common in Austin. And my wife is, any time she sees. a kid, especially little girls out there selling Girl Scout cookies or lemonade stands.

She will, if we don't have cash, she will drive to a gas station, get cash, go back and buy something from them. No matter what, 100% of the time, because she said, and she always said support women in business. These are female business owners. You've got to support them. I feel like maybe if you don't have a tap, you'd have a QR code, though, or a Venmo or something. But my point being is like, I never see that when I go because I'm at a lot of lemonade stands. And sometimes you'll see it at Girl Scout cookies, for sure. I love lemonade stands.

Those are all, like, big setups in front of H-E-B and shit. Lemonade stands in the neighborhood. It's just, like, you know, kids in a jar. Exactly. I trust the jar. Put some cash in. I just never have cash. I should have an emergency amount of cash for situations like that.

Or you could just go get it and come back. I'm not doing that. You don't want to support women in business. I see. Well, it's never, I don't know. It's not my thought, my first thought. If I, I don't think I've ever come across any type of stand thought I need to support for those terms. But I think that's a wonderful thing to think.

That just hasn't been in my brain. I think old shoes should be a wallet. Like kangaroos? Were the kangaroos? Yeah. The most popular shoe in 1983. Yeah. Were they wallet shoes?

Yeah. You don't know kangaroos? I have. Yeah. They were called, they were called Rooze. And it had, on the side of it, was a little wallet. Yeah. Would you wear those?

Yeah. You could probably buy them on eBay. Definitely. They were very popular when I was in grade school. Wow. Well, yeah, I think I'd shove them in the base, though, in the soul. Okay, so you, okay, so it gives you a pocket. Okay.

I think it should be a slit lower down, like in the sole bit. Why? I just think it's a bad place for the bunts. I would never put my bunts in my wallet shoes. Are you trying to smuggle state secrets? Like, I don't want people to see my shoe wallet. You want a secret shoe wallet. Yeah.

I think they see the giant kangaroo logo in now, and that's sort of my problem. I would only carry money outside of my... Because people are going to steal your shoes thinking they're stealing your wallet. So if I have my kangaroo shoes on, and I, I, I... have my money actually in my coat pocket. They're not going to search my coat pocket because why would I put it there? It's going to be in my wallet shoes. I like him as a distraction.

I wouldn't use this product as it's forward facing intended. Is that right? So you could like kick him off at muggers if you, if that chaser do? I mean, that would be good. But I just meant more in the sense of like they're going to steal it. And then I would maybe even do like a ha ha sucker would be in my wallet so that they open it later and go like,

they go like, ah, he's got me, but then I would also be like, fuck, I need to buy a new pair of shoes. So I still lose, but at least I'm like half losing. Ha ha, sucker. Yeah. Really show them robbers a thing or two about who the real genius is.

Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, I was thinking you're a real genius. You got them. They'd be so embarrassed. They might stop robbing because of it. Probably not. I don't think you're going to change hearts and minds by putting some of your stuff in your shoes. Just personally. Can I shift gears a little bit? I want Gavin to guess who the person at the coffee shop was. Oh, yeah. Yeah, two weeks to think about it. Should have been thinking about it, probably at least once a day.

Had two weeks. Jeff will answer one question. Previously, you have guessed Aaron, Roadblock and Eric Vespi. We know that they moved to Austin. They have been to parties at Jeff's house and is a man. And because this causes confusion every week, I just listened to this before we started today's episode. They worked with rooster teeth. I don't know if they ever were a salaried employee of rooster teeth, but they have worked in and around rooster teeth. Okay. In certain capacities. Do you have a question and then a guess? How old are they? Great question. I don't know their age, but I would guess they are as close to my age within, I would say within five years up or down.

Is it, Bernie? Burns? So you don't know. So he said, I don't know if they were a salaried employee. And your guess is one of the guys who started the company. Well, I guess we'll turn it over to Jeff. Yes, he's one of the people I know on, better than anyone else. on the planet and who I had a 20-year professional relationship with at the country.

That is, can I say, that is a fucking hilarious, awesome guess. I love that guess. I would absolutely avoid Bernie if he didn't see me first at a coffee shop. Just to be funny. I actually wouldn't, but just to be funny, I might do it for like five minutes. But no, it's not. It's not, it's not burning that as your real guess. Are you know, okay.

So I was going to say, are you going to honor that as a joke? I'm not honoring that as a joke guess. I'm not going to force you to take it as a re-house. Now, we recorded something yesterday, the three of us, and Jeff brought up that you needed to think about this, Gavin. And you said, oh, yeah, I got to, I need to come to some ideas. And then when I brought it up today, you said, oh, like you hadn't thought about it once.

I'm curious, did you, was there a moment at least where you thought about it after that conversation, or was it completely in and out? Oh, yeah, I thought. But I don't, based on my new information, it's not right. Interesting. Hey, we worked with a lot of people over the years. Did we get an answer on their age?

I just told you. It would be up or down by about five years, I would think. They're similarly aged to me. I don't know they're age. You know what, I can, let me see if... Whoa, they're Googlable. Are they Googledable? I have no idea.

Okay. Next time, next episode, Gavin, that. Consider that. They're three years older than me. Whoa. They're Googlable. Interesting. All right, I need to update my information.

Three years older than Jeff. Got it. Older than Jeff. I was not expecting older than Jeff. Getting some real specific information out of me. I like it. I like this. That's thrown,

that's throwing the shit out of me. Yeah, it seemed like you had such a handle on it before too. I think we need to get together at some point, Gavin, and create a guess who like bored for you to just visually look at. I'm going to give you a fucking unsolicited piece of help. I'm going to give you a clue that you can sit on for the next week. You can't use this clue right now.

Okay. Wait, have you guessed yet? Has he officially guessed yet? No, he hasn't guessed. No, okay, I'm not going to give you this clue until after you guessed. Okay. We know that they live in Austin. But I don't want to do this the rest of my life, so.

You didn't make him, then give him something that he can guess because he's falling apart. I mean, I've given him a lot. I gave him the exact fucking age. Some answers create more questions. And I think him being, or them, I think he said it was a guy. him being three years older to me makes more questions because I was expecting somebody

kind of 30s I guess yeah sure older than you and it's not Bernie Burns just to verify just to confirm it's not Bernie no it's not Bernie they're three years older than I am I'm 51

so that makes them 54 years old I'm out Gavin I'm out too well you need to it's you can't be out you're not allowed to be out. Here's the other piece of information I'll give you. Probably the relationship professionally would have extended into Ralph Alblanado, but when I think of this person, I think of them downtown.

Yeah, that's where my mind was at. Downtown possibly at the tail in Debuta. But I don't think so. I think it would have been downtown times. I think we might have known them at the tail in the Bouta. Neo Barito. If I saw Nito Burrito at a coffee shop, I would absolutely approach him and immediately.

I haven't talked to that dude in 20 years. It'd be awesome to see him. It's not him. Is Nito Burrito a DJ? Who is Nito Burrito? Nito Burrito was a mod from the old Roster Teeth Forings who existed in ugly internet

and drunk gamers days. Interesting. He's one of the longest, like, ten-year community members in terms of like when we started. Do you look up the Nino Burrito, Gavin?

Did I look him up? No, do you look up to him? I feel like, I feel like you're proud of your tenure, your rooster teeth tenure, and it sounds like this person was a heading out of me. Nito has been around longer than Gavin for sure. Yeah, he was a

he was like a legend on the forums. Nito Burrito, the legend. Okay, so that was Gavin's guess. That was Gavin's guess. But I want to know what the hint that you're going to give him is going to be. I already gave it to him to help him out. It was the, I gave him the fucking office we were in.

Oh, that was, oh, that was the, oh, I see. That wasn't, I don't think that was going to help him. I mean, he can, I think it should help him because we weren't working with that many people downtown. And Gavin spent a lot of time with this downtown. I agree, I agree, should help him. Like, Jeff, just please know, I'm on your side here. Gavin was spent, Gavin was omnipresent in the downtown office, as was, uh, I wouldn't say

omnipresent, but this person was definitely around. interesting that's the most new information I've had so that this is useful you just think back man our stable wasn't that deep back then I think maybe this goes to a guess off at some point where we just see how many weeks it would have taken Gavin to figure it out with each wrong guess

isn't that what we're doing it? No you were doing it once a week I'm saying like a week where you do like seven guesses and be like okay well we would have been doing this for two months and he still has a guy Because it sounds like based on the amount of people that work there, like you're going to run out of choices pretty soon. I mean, he's going to have to sit down and put some actual thought into it. And if he writes on a list of people that we knew from that era, he can get there.

What about this? Can I ask a question that I don't think is super helpful necessarily? Sure. It would be a minimal clue? Those are the best kind. Would Gavin have recognized this person? would gab if you if Gavin was in the position you were in would they have clocked that this is somebody that they previously work with in some capacity

I think so I think so you know it could be one of those things Andrew where I'm completely mistaken and they were like ships passing in the night and they were never in the room at the same time and Gavin's like oh I was out of town that week when they were there or whatever but I think I assume that they have known each other and then they've communicated Oh, I thought it was a guarantee that I would know who they were. I think, I mean, I, I think you should and do and would.

But I, now the way Andrew posed that, it does lead me. You're telling you. I don't, Gavin doesn't strike me as a guaranteed to know anybody type of. I'm remembering, I mean, this is, we're talking 15 years ago, the comings and goings of office people. I think that you have social interactions that wash away. And that's okay. I don't think you're looking to like lock in people. But usually I know if I've met someone or not.

I'm sure you've met this person. Yeah, but like even if you know that you met someone, maybe like some of the experiences that you have with them that would be sort of like foundational building blocks, like going to like pinballs with them, would be something that you sort of like forget about. Mm, that's possible. I forgot about pinballs, but I didn't forget that we'd met.

I knew that I'd hung out with Andrew. I think, you know, I just, uh, I think you don't know who this person is. I'm so excited to find out that he doesn't. know who it is. That'll be a real letdown if he doesn't. But I also think that if he says he doesn't know who this person is, he's a fucking liar.

I don't believe you for a second. Oh, that's cool. We need to, Jeff, and I hate to assign homework to you, but if there's any possibility of them. Don't assign homework to Jeff. It's easy. Problem solved. There's no other person who can do this. I guess you could tell me and I could attempt

to do it. But we really need, like, if there is a moment or a video, a photo of the two of them together, It really is needed, I think, for the finale of this thing. If there's any online proof that these two were in a room together at any point, I think it would be a valuable piece of information. That's a great. That's a great.

If you send me the name, Jeff, I can start poking around and see if I can find anything. Okay. Yeah, hold on a second. Immediately. It didn't even take long. That's great. No. I mean, he doesn't want to do the homework.

I don't blame him, but I can... No, I don't blame him at all of you. I'm looking and I'm not seeing anything, but I also wouldn't mind the help. And I know Eric doesn't know who this person is. No idea. So there's no threat to me in leaking the information to him. Yeah.

I also trust Eric. Could you send me them? Can I, could you text me who they are? No. No, I don't trust you. I agree. Okay. Fair enough.

And what way do you not trust me in this scenario? in the way that I think that you would either intentionally or unintentionally leak the name to Gavin. Oh, I would never do that. You think it'd be Philly Andrew? I think he might accidentally do it. I don't think so. I can't claim.

Jeff, this is fantastic. Do you know who that person is? I am passingly familiar. This is great. Okay, if Eric knows, then I feel I know. That's all I was curious about. You don't know. You don't know anything.

There you go, wait. I sent a TV. You wish you knew. You're not going to. Yeah, I trust. Andrew, I'm going to roll back by the said. I'm going to trust you. Wow. Okay. Okay. Do you know who that person is? Great. Do I know who that person is? I just said you the name. No, I was, I was, Jeff, this is unbelievable. You're swinging red. You're swinging red.

Zen. I was clarifying that you wanted me to confirm a yes or no to my knowledge of the name. I'm being ultra sensitive about this information because of the implication you said. was the question, do you know who that person is, not clear enough? I didn't, I wanted to make sure I heard you correctly. I didn't hear you. So I was clarifying. Hey, totally fair. Do you know who that person is?

I have no clue who this person is. Oh my God. I don't know why you would. I told you, you don't know nothing. No fucking idea. Hey, hey, to get off of this, this has gone on too long. I have a question. I have, Gavin, I'd like to elicit you in some help at some point in the near to far future.

I don't care when it is. but I'd like to leverage your proximity to the UK at some point in the future, if you don't mind. We didn't really get into it in the podcast today, but I went on a vacation recently, and I went to Arizona, and I had a lovely time. I went to the Grand Canyon and did all the stuff, and it was amazing. And I went to Route 66, and I did all the Route 66 stuff. And that's really cool. Let me tell you. Absolutely loved that.

And by the way, we missed our window. this was the 100th year of Route 66. The plan was for us to do a Route 66 road trip to celebrate the 100th year as our summer trip. We didn't make it because people be buying houses and all kinds of shit going on, right? And so we weren't able to work out a summer trip. However, I was thinking about it.

I already pitched this to Eric. Next year is the beginning of the next hundred years of Route 66. Next year is essentially year one. We should celebrate year 101 by doing our Route 66 road trip. I think that makes it even cool. because now we're like, fuck the past, we're celebrating going forward. However, when I was on my vacation, and this is where I need your help, Gavin, I went to every gift shop on earth because my wife loves gift shops.

And at the gift shops, I'm killing time because I'm not, outside of an occasional coffee mug, there's not a lot for me to get there. I did the thing that I've done my entire childhood, which is I go to the rack where the keychains and things are with the names on them. and then I go for the G's, and then I look just to see. And there's never a G, Jeff. Never in my life has there ever been a G, Jeff.

And I'm heartbroken. And I decide this trip, I'm determined. Everywhere I go, I'm going to look. Here's just three photos I took. I put them up. You can see there's a Gavin. Wow. U.S. 66.

There's a George. If I just want the letter G, I can pick that. I could be Gabriel. I could be Gabrielle. I could be Grace. I could be Grant. I could be Gloria. I could be fucking

Gavin again I could be Gracie I could be Genesis but I can't be Jeff there's a Gavin a Genesis and an Emily in a row right next to each other I put together for you guys the Genesis is supposed to be me

I can't make the full egg of Gavin Emily and Jeff and all I want to do is have my fucking name on a piece of souvenir bullshit, and it's impossible in the United States. So here's why I want to listen to you, Gavin. My name, the G-J-J-J-J-F, I've been told my entire life. The etymology is Welsh and British.

So are theme parks and roadside attractions in England? Are G-J-J-F's common? If so, can you go get me anything? Anything with my name on it. I'm on the hunt. Thank you. Thank you. But I think there's such an easy solution to this.

What's that? Really? Change your name to Genesis. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't affect the rest of the show, right? We can still be Anag if you're Genesis. That's true. So it's pretty good. I appreciate the thought.

And I do like the Phil Collins Association, but at 51 years, I think I'm pretty locked into this name. I'd rather just get a license plate, a tiny license plate that says Jeff on it with a G. If we could do that, it'll save me from changing my name. I'd really appreciate it. I really like, I like the one that's just G though. I like just the letter of G. I think that's great. I so fucking, it's just like, it, it, it, it, it, I wish it didn't.

But I'll be 100% honest with you guys because you're my best friends. It hurts exactly as much at 51 to spin that thing and not see my name as it did when I was seven years old. Yeah, I get that. Are you named after somebody, Jeff? No. And why did they go with the G, Jeff? Yeah, my mom liked it. She thought it was pretty or cool.

Fair enough. I was supposed to be a girl. I wasn't supposed to be a plate to begin with. My name was supposed to be Amanda. So. Did they have an Amanda plate? I'm sure they did. Amanda plate.

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things are going. Who's in first place, who's in last? Let's give the audience a little, we're over a month in now. We're on two weeks in now. Looking at the numbers right now, Jeff is at 12 slices. Gavin is at 8. Let's see, keep going up.

That's from date night. Andrew's at 20. It appears that, let's see, where was I? I'm at 5. Nick, where are you on this thing? Two? Wow, two? Dang.

Wow. Nick in the Gavin slot. Wow. Yeah, no kidding. I'm in third? Yeah. This is crazy. Well, it's because we had a pizza date.

Yeah, you guys had a date night. And so that kind of like threw everything into disarray, you know what I mean? It was great. We watched Twin Peaks, and then I forgot that our original plan was to order a porterhouse steak and share it while we were eating pizza.

I was like, ah, shit. But, you know, at least the count went up. And then he brought it up, but I got mad at him because he didn't bring it up earlier. So that means we have to have a porterhouse date now. So what we really did was we snuck two hangouts out of one, which I appreciate.

I would do 10. Gavin. Yeah, we didn't really discuss it. But you and I sat down, we watched episode 17 and episode 18 of Twin Peaks to return. You had seen 17 before. You hadn't seen 18. I'd only seen it once.

It is the ending of the story of Twin Peaks or as close as we're going to get to it. Most of the audience has no idea what we're talking about, so we won't get into the weeds about it. But I just want to know, were you satisfied? Did you like it? Give it a grade. What did you think?

I enjoyed it, but I thought episode 17 was a better ending than episode 18. It was an easier ending for... Episode 18 is a more challenging, more heartbreaking ending and I think more within the spirit of the show, unfortunately. And it's a pretty insane time to start introducing new twist,

like new concepts to the universe. Maybe even new characters. Yeah. And new characters. And I was very confused. And then it ended. And then you said that was it. Then he died.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was it. Then he died. Yeah, there's no more. Anyway, I really enjoyed watching it with you. And I was fun. I enjoyed it too. And I really, it was great that we watched the previous episode as well because I'd forgotten so much. Same. I was like I told you, I remembered so much of episode 17 being a part of episode 18. So it was illuminating to me. But I really didn't watch 18 as much as I watched. You watch it because that was the interesting thing to me. And just because it doesn't make sense. And you like, I told you there's at one point, there's about. I paused it when I watched it the first time, and I looked at my, I had to look, and it was like, how can there only be eight minutes left in this show? I don't know what the fuck is happening. How can there only be eight minutes left of Twin Peaks? It makes no sense. And I waited for that moment to see your face,

and you looked so confused and concerned. It was awesome. Yeah, the screen went black, and I just stared straight ahead at it for like five seconds, just in kind of disbelief. Sort of a final episode of The Sopranos kind of moment. Yeah. Has a show ever done a new show plus?

New show plus. Well, I guess like the new end game, right? It's sort of a new movie plus where they like change the ending slightly. It's the same movie, but something slightly tweaked. Oh, cash grab?

Oh, cash grab. Yeah, I guess cash grab. Cash grab plus? Yeah, yeah. A lot of people doing it. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, cash grab plus I have seen a lot.

You're right. I think it back. Not an interesting question. How do you feel about your, your position at the top of Pizza Mountain right now, Andrew? Oh, it's delicious. I had a bad pie.

I had a bad pie to stir it off. That wasn't good. Got a little sick. Yeah, I feel like you got ruined straight off the start line. But then I had to, you know, you got to push through it. You know, just get a new pie going, get back in the fields of it. I'm enjoying it. How long did you take off to recover from your pie illness?

Maybe like two or three days. It was like swept through me in one day and then two or three day recovery after that. And then back on the pie train. Do you want to say where the pie came from? I don't, um... It was either Little Caesars or Papa Johns. Mm. Hmm.

It was one of the two. Andrew, how do you feel about some of the comments on the potato draft stating the fact that this may have been the most wrong you've ever been in content? About what? About the fries and all the hills that you wanted to die on that video. I saw a surprise. I saw, I think my favorite post. of it was somebody made a Reddit post that was like Andrew is wrong about French fries, Eric is wrong about sweet

potato, Jeff won the draft. Which was the poll overwhelmingly stated. Jeff, you killed it in that draft. You have like a 54% win right. Oh, well, thank you. I usually just go for bits and drafts, but potatoes are near and dear to my heart, so I took it seriously. So thank you.

Yeah, it is a passion. I would definitely do some do-overs. Do you remain in the same? mindset when it comes to, would you have argued the same points? I think, uh, uh, yes. To a certain extent. Double down. I think that you, it's tough.

I don't think it's that tough. Because I think I'm right, but it's also like, how do you know you're wrong? How do you still think you're right? Because, uh, yeah, hmm, maybe I'm not right. Ah, interesting. Maybe I'm not.

I still don't... I still don't like... Julian is the cut, but like nobody orders Julianne fries. That's not what I heard for 10 minutes on the draft. Well, no, it's that nobody... Like... You said nobody orders French fries. People order French fries, but like that's not...

That's like a general descriptor. To me, okay. Here's the thing. This is how I describe it in my brain. And this is not regular. gatekeeper. But it would be like going to an ice cream cart and saying, I'll take ice cream. It's not.

For me, it's the same. That's, that's fine. There's multiple flavors. It's not what it is at all, but that's fine. They will give you their ice cream because they know what it means. They will give you their fry because they know what you're asking.

What ice cream would you get? Shut up. Shut up. What ice cream would you get if you just went to the ice cream cart and said, I'll take ice cream? I think it really depends to the person behind the counter, but you would receive ice cream. But McDonald's, you receive.

But they're not fries because that's the fries. That's my point, Gavin. My point is that there's chocolate ice cream, there's vanilla ice cream, there's like all these specific types of ice cream. There's not vanilla fries and chocolate fries. No, you're misunderstanding the specifics of my point. But if you go to a restaurant, Andrew, and they have multiple fry options, they're going to go, do you want curly fries or french fries?

And you're going to go, I'll take French fries or curly fries. That's true. true. That's true. I'm not saying that the argument I'm making is not necessarily one to one. But my point is that French fry isn't a style. It's a descriptor of a food.

It's all descriptor of food. No, but there's variation of food. You're going to have a porterhouse. That's not the same as a rib-eye. It's definitely not. But you're not fry literate, I don't think. And that's not a judgment. How many fries are at McDonald's? One, well, depending on, sometimes they do like specialty stuff.

That's sort of my point. That we're going back to the ice cream truck. Terrible point. Terrible point. That's not a good point. No, we're going back to the ice cream truck. If you say ice cream, they're going to give you ice cream regardless of if it's the right name for the thing or not, because it's the right name of the product.

But that's not the equivalent of asking for fries at McDonald's. That's the equivalent of asking for burger. Order whatever item you want. I'm not judging whatever you feel like eating. And this is the point. I'm not sure to order. I'm not sure to order a burger. I've said this.

An ice cream place sells all different ice creams. I'm holding to the fact that it has a specific name and that name is not generally used. And if you order French fry, you'll get French fry. But it's not what it's called. And I think in a draft in which we're picking specific cuts of things, being specific is important. Because they're different taste experiences. I think it... A waffle to a steak to a curly are completely different, although in...

ingredient, they're the exact same. Everything is exactly the same in the fucking potato draft. I don't know what that means. I quit. I quit my job. I quit my job. Everyone knew what I meant by French fries.

Clearly not everyone. It's the normal. He's got in there. It's box standard fry. I don't view that as bog standard fry. You should. Okay, so what would you have been more annoyed at? French fries?

Not annoyed. Zero annoyance. Peaved? Minged. Not peaved. Not even peeved. What would you have been more okay with then? Fries or French fries?

Fries. Equally problematic. Unbelievable. What if I'd said fries normal? It'd be like if we were doing a, types of pizza drafting. you ordered pizza. That's not...

But McDonald's isn't... But I didn't know you were picking the McDonald's fry at the time. You just said French fry. Right, because that's French fry. Yeah. French fry. French fry. I do.

I mean, is there a shop that just sells fries, though? You're comparing it to something that doesn't exist. That's not... Like even a chip shop sells fish. The sentiment... Should we start a French fry store, a fry store that just sells a all different kinds of fries. No, I would be, I would be too confused.

I don't think I'd be capable of working there. Every one of Andrews scenarios is I'm walking into a fry store and ordering the fries. But that's not... No, my point... No one's doing that. My point was that French fries is a general term and that you could go to a place and get a French fry,

even if that's not exactly what it was called. That was the point. That's all it is. It's all it was. I'm still in the dark. Yeah, that's fine. That's all, that's the entirety of the basis of my point is I just don't think you're as fry literate. And that's okay.

Andrew, if there's one person here that doesn't come off as maybe totally literate, I don't think it's Gavin. Fry literate? I'm just letting you know, man. Don't you fucking come at me with my fry game. I'm just, I'm just letting you know. All right, why don't we have someone make up an independent 10 question fry quiz? What does that mean? Let's see who scores higher.

What does that mean? Someone come up with ten questions about fries. I feel like who's more fry literate. Once again, the entire basis of this was just I wanted a clarification because there are different fries and different cuts of fries and there are different experiences. But isn't everyone's point, it's the French cut. It's the French cut? I got to make this fucking flywoodish thing. It comes from like Frenching something.

Literacy. I didn't see I didn't have that context that I could be completely wrong how many questions 10 questions 10 questions about fries 10 questions I think technically they are French fries I'll have it for the next podcast thank you I never consider what the French means than the French fry thanks man do you want me to send the questionnaire out earlier and then we go over the results in the podcast or do you want me to give it to you in the podcast

have you guys into your answers and then we do it live oh I wonder if it should be like a little buzz in quiz and or something. Or that's a great question. Okay, you know what? Before we wrap, we're slinging arrows and stuff. I have a question for you, Eric.

Sure. I want you evaluate percentages on this, okay? Yeah, no problem. Hang on. Just like going to drop this in here where it says a French cut is a culinary term for Julianne. Go ahead.

Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, go ahead, man. If you text two people and you say, hey, do you want to do this specific thing? On this day at the end. And then they say, yep.

And then you show up to do that thing on the stated day. And they both have downloaded the wrong game. What percentage of fault? What percentage of fault would you say is on you? What game did they download instead? He's not saying some of us already had it downloaded, first of all. That's true. Only one of us had to download it.

One of us didn't have it downloaded. But what percentage of blame would you lay on the person who said, hey, do you want to play this specific thing? And they both said yes. I would put zero percent on interest in this situation, Andrew. And 100% on the person who didn't download the right game. Here's the deal. Here's the deal.

Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. The other side of this thing. Andrew has to take 3% of the blame. Gavin and I are three. Gavin and I are accepting 90. 97% of the blame.

We are accepting an A plus amount of blame. However, we both agree that if you give directions to two people and your success rate on conveying those directions is zero percent. Great point. You have to take some percent of the blame because clearly you weren't clear enough or one of us would have got it right. But both of us got it wrong. Andrew, do you feel like you could have been more clear? No, because I put the title of the thing in the text. So here's my issue.

I'm going to lay out my issue. I'll play whatever Andrew wants. I'm always in. I'm all for it. But currently, with Andrew, I am playing the following. Gears reloaded. No, we finished. We finished gears reloaded.

Yeah, that's done. We're talking about. You've been playing it. Terrible list. But so far, bad list. Go ahead. We played it like the day before. No,

we played it a week before and we wrapped. It was recent. It's off the list anyway. It doesn't matter. It's wrapped. Yeah. We're also playing.

So number one, not also. We're also playing Gears E-Day campaign. Campaign. Okay. One. That's a group of people. We're also playing Gears E-Day

Horde as a different group of people. That's one game. Okay. Yeah, that's two games. That's two different. That's two different productions. Right. Right.

But it's one game. have to boot up. Go ahead. Well, I'm not going. I'm just talking about the amount. My main issue is we have a lot of series going. Yeah. Around gears. So far you've told me one game. Two.

Two series is what he's discussing. Not games. Right, but it's one game. So if he told you we're playing gears and that would, and you didn't know if it was Horde mode or this campaign thing or whatever, it's the same game. So so far you're giving me one game. Luckily for us, E-Day is the game he had downloaded. If I said out, do you guys want to do gears on one?

Wednesday? 100% on me. But that's not what I said. I agree with that. Yeah. What Andrew said was, uh, hive busters on Wednesday? And I was like, yeah. And, uh, okay. And then Gavin and I both loaded up gears E day because that's the most recent gears we've been playing. Because that's what's fresh in our head because it just came out. And we haven't touched, we haven't touched. We haven't touched hive butt together. We haven't touched hive busters and I don't remember how long. I don't even know what hive busters is. It's gears five. It's five. Gears 5 campaign DLC It's the game we've spent

6 hours in a room in a video that will eventually come out It's that one It's the one we haven't touched in six months or longer But it's the one we've all haven't played It's the longest ago one So I just thought we were continuing

The other one I do think I do think Maybe you could say Gears 5 in that situation Instead of just hive busters I think that's where some of the 3% comes in

I think the 3% I think the 3% can stand because I do think you could have been more clear because you said Hive Busters and I googled it because I thought maybe that was in E-Day and it's not. But this is for me a guy who hasn't played it though. That's fair. They have both played. They've spent

six hours in one room. But when I hear Hive Busters, I hear Gears. And when I think gears, I think gears E-Day because I just did a campaign video with you guys right before I went on vacation. I also logically think that was the one we would keep playing as it's new. Yeah. It's all going to be old though by the time it comes out. Not as old as Hive Busters.

I, it becomes a, it becomes a linear problem. Where in my head, I'm trying to just get through these out linearly in a sense of we did reloaded. We'll put that out first because that's the earliest. And then we'll do high busters and then we'll do EDA. Nick, what, what, what, you think 3% goes to Andrew? Yeah, absolutely. I think that's, and I think that's fair. Andrew, I definitely don't think it's on you in any way, shape, or form.

No. But I think Just because No, it's not 50%. No, it's just 3%. Yeah, just because you didn't say Gears 5, I'm sorry. Like, I'm the number.

I'm with you. Like they should have, it should have been ready to go. I'm with you. I appreciate that because next time I text, I will include gears 5. Yeah. It just, you know, just to make damn sure.

And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I also think that's the most insane order to put them out. Yeah? What's, how do you mean? Well, just putting out the freshest game the furthest out. But the other two

already old. Well, it's just... What are you saying? He's saying Andrew's saying we're going to put out gears reloaded, then gears five, then gears Ede. And Gavin's saying Gears Ede is hot right now. Everybody's thinking

about it. It's a new game. Why would we wait to put it out? I didn't follow any of that. Like, I got it now. Jeff, you laid it out for me. I understand. But I was like, whoa, man, I was lost. It's a broader conversation, but it's also because, like, gears reloaded will have... the shortest,

uh, yeah, it would have the shortest distance between record and release time. So what does that mean, that? That means that it'll have the shortest release time

between record and release. Why does that mean? Is, is you tongue the most you bit of you? Or what's up? These are going to be Patreon series. Right. That's when we do our full playthrus,

typically. And so I just figured putting it out both in the release in which the, well, I guess the story occurs in Ede. Huh. E. E.A is a prequel to reload? Huh. Isn't E. Isn't E. Day a prequel to all of it?

Isn't Ede just like the, it's like the first thing? Yeah. Does that matter in what you're talking about, though? Oh, so wait. Liniely, you were talking plot. I was thinking plot at first, but then it went to the sequence of which. Who gives his shit? No, I think it was the sequence in which games released.

Yeah, I took it as him. I didn't think plot. I thought sequence of games released is how he were. But Hyde Busters came out. Yeah, it's messy. No matter what we do, it's messy. Yeah, especially when none of it's out. But we're working on it.

We're getting through it. We finish Reloaded. Now we're going to finish Hive Busters because theoretically that's the shortest. It would just be nice to get that all in the can. How many chapters are there? I'm not sure. I think maybe seven or eight, but.

We spent an hour on a sequence that I think is intended to be like... Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Why did we spend an hour on that wheel? Oh, we spent an hour on that wheel because Gavin died a few times. When we're leaving. Gavin has this move. And Andrew pointed out...

It's not his fault. It's not his fault and he doesn't do it on purpose. And I agree, I agree with Andrew's assessment. But I also agree that it is especially frustrating. Gavin manages to figure out how to die in the third. microsecond between when you complete a mission and the

and the cut the cut scene is finished or it begins and then the transition happens and there's a checkpoint and you get to move on to the next section he managed to like

you've beaten the boss you're done you completed everything but there's like a little window where you can die from an environment or from a road bullet or whatever

and he manages to die in that window 100% of the time somehow the amount of times we have beaten the boss and they were like, all right, on to the next, what, what? And it's not me being reckless, like wondering around. It's me completely behind cover, not even blind firing.

And my freaking head pops. I'm just clenched, like hoping, fingers crossed that it's one of the other heads that go. I think sometimes it's my stupid head. But that's okay. Nobody's, we all have reckless moments. Tons of reckless moments. I spent, I spent half of yesterday walking around in a days while I was, being yelled at on the phone by a repairman or the fucking doorbell was ringing or the dog was barking.

It was a fucking nightmare. I was reckless all day long. But Gavin just has this ability. It just unlocks a new level of hell because we're playing on this impossibly difficult, difficulty. And then you beat the thing and then you die after technically beating the thing and then having to go back to the thing. It's so much worse having to go back to it after you've done it. It's like such a sense of accomplishment and relief to beat the thing. And then do immediately have a rug pull, you know?

It's just, it's a fucking push. It's a gut punch. It's rough. And those videos will come out in some sequence, in some order, at some point in the future. Maybe one part per game. Why would we do that? Release it. Release one a week.

Each game one part at a time, just rotating. That's like, I'm imagining a crowd back and forth on tennis, but each ball lands on a different court. absolutely ridiculous instead of doing that why don't we just complete every gear's recording that we have get them all done put them on a wheel

spin the wheel and then we release them based on what it lands on could do that as well you get in part 17 today let's just let's just let's just show them on next week you get part two

all right you get part five this week I have a before we go I have an interesting Nick observation that I witnessed the other day oh a good Nick quote a Nick quote

we're getting coffee yeah we're getting coffee and a oh awesome We talk about cappuccinos and lattes and stuff. And we're like to talk about the difference, different amounts of foam, I guess, different. And it's like the milk drinks.

And then we're talking about how you can't get, you can't just order coffee, I guess, in an English coffee shop. And you have to, you end up ordering, I guess you can order Americano, which is kind of coffee, but it's still espresso coffee. And then I was just like, yeah.

And then, but then you can just put as much milk in as you want. And Nick was like, oh, yeah. I control the flow. Okay. And I just enjoyed that was his response to, you can put it as much milk as you want. He was talking about being in England and getting coffee and then going like he found like flat whites.

And so he was drinking flat whites and stuff. And like the amount of time that he was there and how many coffees that he had. And Gavin started doing the math and talking about how much milk that he drank in like a week. I control the flow. What was great is that you said it with such confidence. And then I was like, yeah.

And then you just kind of looked, you just kind of looked confused on what you just said. I think out of all of us, and this is, I wouldn't have guessed this going into the company together or even going, definitely not going into a f***ase together. I think Nick is the one who thinks the least before he speaks. Yes, yes.

It gets him in trouble so much on 100% eat the same way where you just go, what? And he goes, forget it, never mind. I didn't say anything, shut up. I didn't say anything, shut up. It's like, what happened? I think Nick is a unique case where he'll do it from a place of rest.

I definitely will do it in a, I'm swinging red, I'm just staying stuff at a certain point. I'm trying to get out of this hole. But Nick will be not at all in the spotlight, just having all the time, no pressure, and we'll just say, something that I don't think he even intends necessarily. Maybe nobody's more surprised by what comes out of Nick's mouth than Nick on occasion.

I agree with that. I 100% agree with that. Absolutely, dude. And sometimes when other people are trying to get out of the hole they just dug, Nick will just run out of nowhere and jump straight into it. He didn't even dig it. He wants to stand next to you while you dig the hole so he can see if the hole's big enough for both of you. Oh, how much room is down here?

Oh man, we should probably wrap this fucker up. I believe we've been going for a little while. As we end though, I'm going to speed run a couple of things because I had a bunch of notes from two weeks of being off. One, I just want to let you guys know, my car accident has resolved the Fendomender where the, I got a call from my insurance agency that said we found no proof that you injured the person's car,

so we have denied the claim. So, no problem there. Everything, everything ended up well there. We have that bench that's been dedicated. We still need to go on a road trip out there to do that. We don't want to make sure we don't forget that. Also, we need to remember to schedule the food named after places draft. I want to get that going.

I also meant to mention this during the souvenirs, and I didn't come up or I didn't get a chance to. But every souvenir in 2026, if you go to Grand Canyon, Bar Arizona, any of these places, They're all AI now. Every shirt. Every, everything is AI. Of course. It's all, like, I didn't expect it to affect key chains and stuff yet. But it is everywhere.

You're insane. I expected it to affect key chains first. Oh, man. I just, I just figured there's so many years and years and years of those things in warehouses. You don't need, like, who's making new Gabriela keychains in 2026? You've got 10,000. You've got crates and crates and crates of them.

But yeah, it's hot. No, no, you're not. There were so many, like, T-shirts I wanted to get, and then I went, ah, no, I don't think I can get that one. It's fucking, you're crazy. It's, like, the first thing that's got, the first thing it's going to affect is Chochie bullshit. Well, I figure the first thing it'll affect is porn,

but it definitely made its way to Chachkey bullshit as well. Also, I had five ideas I wanted to pitch you guys for new things, so we can get to that next week. Thank you so much for listening to another episode of the Regulation podcast. Okay, cool. So, we weren't sure. but I texted before this started. Nick, are you going to get us right now?

Yeah, I'm getting you. So, wait, you sound completely different now than you did. Yeah. At any other point in this episode. This, he's cheated. I agree. No, he hasn't. I agree.

I'm over here. I think he's absolutely cheated. But I texted. That's bullshit you aware of that the whole time. No, I'm talking through here. No, uh. I see, I'm talking up this way. You sound completely different than you ever did during the entirety of that whole episode.

I was higher pitch because the higher pitch comes through. Hey, Hey, Nick, at 1048 a.m. this morning, I texted Andrew, Jeff, and Gavin, got a feeling that Nick will be wearing the mask today. Didn't call it out here because even then, a little after, after the episode started, Gavin said, don't think so. And I said, mean either. I'm going to, I'll post it. Yeah, very, very impressive. You, uh, thank you.

I just very, very, very impressive. you got us. I'm just wondering what you changed. I'm not 100% sure what changed because the Nick I'm talking to right now is a different person. Totally different. Well, I think, we heard. As a matter of fact, I threw to you in the first three minutes of the podcast just to hear your voice. I agree. I was so fucking clear. I could tell that he was zeroed in on it. Now I did it on purpose. And I know that Gavin and Andrew or Gavin and Eric would have picked up on. Yeah. And here's the thing. I think he absolutely cheated. He's a little cheater monkey. No, I've been recording the whole time.

You recorded the full hour? Yeah. All right. Well, then that'll... We'd love to see that tape. Hey, Nick. All right. Hey, Nick.

You win? Nick definitely wins. I think it adds a layer to the game of we need to be... I don't know what we could have done because he sounds different. I mean, it sucks. It sucks that I'm so in tune with Nick. Like, that fucking sucks. Like that fucking...

The way, when you texted it too, I was like, oh, he's wearing it today. Like, it was definite. You having that feeling. Gavin, total gut feeling. 100% of gut feeling. That's crazy. Yeah. And then I just got it sounds when I'm here.

Just got it's. You can see how different it is. But last time you sounded like you were in a bag. Yeah. I don't know what's different. You sound so different now than you did when I threw to you in the first three minutes of the podcast. I immediately ruled it out after that initial conversation you and I had. The mic was here.

I was here. I was going, yeah, that's right. I did that. Yeah. So you can potentially with this upload, just have an hour of you in this mask the whole time. Oh, can we get Nick's hour? Yeah. Can we do the Nick hour?

for the, is that okay? You didn't put your hand down your pants at any point, did you? I'm trying to remember if I did or not. You're trying to remember if you did? Are any of those consoles plugged in behind you? No, they're for show. Okay. They look nice.

That's a great shelf. That's a really nice shelf. Okay, so the hour of the video will just be Nick and the monkey mask the whole time and people for the whole hour are going, oh my God, they don't know, they don't know, they don't know. It could just be like a special Nick cut on Patreon so it doesn't get spoiled for everyone. Oh, that's such a good idea.

That is a good idea. That is a good idea. Good job, Nick. Way to go, Nick. Great job, Nick. Great job, Nick. I, I fucking told you he was going to wear it today, too. God damn it.

I got to watch the tape just to see the difference. But I'm going to trust Nick. I believe in Nick. Yep. If I see any of him, like, pulling the entire thing up and he's talking out of the neck, I'm going to say it's bullocks. No. Well, there you have it.

Congratulations, Nick, you win, I guess. Nick wins 2026. Congratulations, buddy. Oh, man. Well played. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Eventually.

I like the year in October, but. He only gets two months off. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Jeff, get us out of here. All right, let's go ahead and end this. This has been episode 100 and 28 of the regulation podcast. Was it the best episode you've ever heard?

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