F**kface - Sausage Talk 3

Episode Date: August 5, 2023

It's a new Sausage Talk. Join Geoff, Gavin, Andrew, Producer Eric, and Audio Engineer Nick as they get together to talk about merch, an addendum to the merch, who works for who, Geoff's new podcast, and now we have the website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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those things this is an addendum that's probably going at the beginning of another piece of content but maybe it's at the end it's to provide context with what you are about to listen to or maybe you just listen to so here's that context. The context is the Gerplers didn't come out yet, so everything we said is irrelevant in this recording as far as how we sell stuff. Yeah, we're fucking idiots.

That's the context. But we thought that the Sausage Talk was really funny and it had some really funny moments in it that we didn't want to lose. Have you said that this is for Sausage Talk? I said it was an addendum.

Well, it's the title of the recording that they clicked. Yeah, what are you talking about? That's true, yeah. It was just recorded ages ago. We were talking about how dumb we were in that one. And then something else happened after that was even dumber than anything we touched on. Yeah.

In summary. And I'm sure there might be new merch that has released since then that we might need to record an addendum to the addendum to. Oh, for the next thing we drop a bollock on. We do. The next thing we fuck up. Well, here's the deal. Here's one piece of actionable info for you.

After the last fuck up, we doubled every order of every piece of face merchandise that's coming out. Applause. Right? I don't know if it's applause or not but i'm trying to create more we're trying to create more of the shit it puts us in there's a greater risk of a falling on our faces not being able to make more merch but we like we don't know what else to do uh so we're just increasing the numbers on everything because

we we just don't want to let people down and disappoint them anymore no that's like it's really not the goal here is to disappoint the audience by offering them merchandise. The goal is to enrich the whole ecosystem of the podcast and this dumb joke of a thing that we're doing. But we hadn't doubled it yet

when we recorded this. Or we hadn't doubled it yet when we recorded the thing you just heard. Gavin, I thought your thing was so good, and then it just kept going. Anyway, sorry for the mix-up with all the merch, and hopefully you stick with us,

and we can get this all sorted, so that way you get the thing that you want, because we want you to have it. And let us know if this was at the beginning of the sausage talk at the end, because I have no clue. Let them know. Don't let me know.

I don't care. Let them know. Don't let me know. Let Nick know. No. Eric. Yeah. in because i have let them know don't let me know i don't let it let them know let me know let them let nick know no eric yeah no eric said no nick said let me know it keeps cutting out all you can hear is the the know Hello and welcome to another episode of Sausage Talk. It's everybody's favorite show behind the show. It's where we talk about the inner workings, the business end, the things that we don't talk about that aren't appropriate to talk about

in the comedy of the podcast F*** Face. But we give a little bit of insight for those out there in the world who want to see very literally how the sausage is made. A peek behind the sausage. A peek through the casing, as it were. Maybe inside the sausage. Not just behind.

In. We go deep. I was looking at recipes last night. I wanted to cook some sausage and anytime the recipe says to remove the sausage from the casing, I'm out. I don't want to deal with that. That's gross. You don't want to just move on to the next one? The ground meat? No. No, no. I would just buy ground

meat sausage then. It comes that way. Why would you buy it in a casing and then remove it from the casing? The whole point, like you're buying the casing too. It's like throwing away half the food. I thought sausage was the format. I thought it was like, but The whole point, like you're buying the casing too. It's like throwing away half the food. I thought sausage was the format. I thought it was like but then you buy, like here you get a sausage in a disc. You can get a sausage in a disc.

Yeah, it's a patty. It's a sausage patty. It's a pork. It's a sausage patty. It's not always pork. It could be beef. It's a different product. Or beef. Just call it beef patty, pork patty. Tiny patty. It's not a sausage. It's all sausage, dude. It's not a sausage unless it's in a sausage. Wait, the sausage is the casing?

So did you guys think that when we said sausage talk, it was literal? Yeah. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem with us. And this is where sausage talk breaks down. We're not smart enough. And everything is a dumb joke.

We can easily do 15 minutes on literal sausage enough and everything is a dumb joke. We can easily do 15 minutes on literal sausage. Everything is always a dumb bit. Okay. We want to talk a little bit this week about merchandise. We've had a couple of high profile drops that have hit recently. We've had some reorders that have hit recently. We've actually done three runs of the protected by Falcons and the Scrumping Signs, which I never thought we would revisit, but we did. Eric's shaking his head.

He didn't want to at all. He was against the reorders. I'll be really honest about that stuff. Yeah, absolutely. But they were relatively easy to make. They're quick turnaround, and there was a lot of demand, and I wanted people to, another shot at it because it turns out the numbers that we ordered them were, were, were pretty low. Uh, and that's something that's caused a lot of, uh, consternation with some members of the audience. There are a lot of us out there, uh, a lot of people like in sneaker culture or in collectible

culture, whether that be sports or coins or Pokemon or whatever, uh, who appreciate the hunt, right? Like a lot of the joy of getting a new pair of Air Max ones or whatever it is, is like the search and, and the work you have to put into to get it. I'm not trying to make anybody work, but I will, I'd be lying if I said that I also don't appreciate that level, uh, of, uh, consumerism. Like it's. It's a lot of fun for me. That's why I've been collecting shit since I was 15. Eric's having real trouble with his phone right now. It doesn't matter. I'm trying to get this.

Well, the timer died within 30 seconds, so I'm trying to set up another timer. But that's not really why we do what we do. We make stuff in low numbers, and sometimes not everybody gets it. First off, I'd just like to say, I think that's okay. I don't expect everyone to buy everything we sell.

I think that would actually be irresponsible. I'm not asking anybody to spend that much money. What I would like is to create fresh new merchandise. Let me be clear. Let me take a step back even before we get to that point and say that merchandise is a cost of doing business. We have to create merchandise to sell there are a couple different ways that a company makes money in the entertainment industry ad sales director otherwise are the lion

share at least with a podcast the other big tranche is like a patreon subscriber model which we don't exactly have for face although we will be making some first only content at some point we're pretty excited about actually uh in a way that makes sense. But the other one is, is the merchandise bucket, right? And that's a, it's, it's a wonderful field to play in because you can be incredibly creative, which I think we have maximized with face. And, uh, but conversely, you can do the other thing where you just slap a logo on a t-shirt and then tell people if they want to support your show, go buy it. And I did that for 20 years in Rooster Teeth, right? I started, I don't know if people know my history with Rooster Teeth as a co-founder, but I created the first store, the first web store, and ran it.

I created the second one. I created the third one, which didn't last very long. And then I created the fourth one. And then at some point, we moved on. The third store was bad it was like where are these this many stores

this honestly sounds exactly like F*** Faced Seasons yeah Seasons 3 was pretty short we had to because we kept breaking the problem that

Red vs Blue and Rooster Teeth had early on is that there was not a store that could handle our traffic so we would break we would get

everything was geared up towards DVD launches. Back then, DVDs, we would sell hundreds of thousands of DVDs when they would come out. Like season three just dropped. We have to sell 100,000 DVDs via the web store today. There was not a web store that existed that could handle that load. I think I got the first one.

Gavin was there for every bit of this as a community member and then eventually as a co-worker. I was always fighting Hobby. Yeah, it was always you and Hobby trying to be furt. And eventually we took Yahoo down. I mean, it was like, I've told that story on the RT podcast before, but like we had, I think season four of RVB launched and we crashed Yahoo's web services for their e-commerce services. And so I have been, I can't take credit for where the merch department is now, which by the way, if you don't work in this industry, I have to tell you, the Rooster Teeth

e-commerce department, the people that work there are some of the best in the business at the level that we're at. Like they're really phenomenal. They do tremendous work and they've built an amazing machine over there. But I bring this up to say that I helped build that over the last 20 years. I haven't had a lot to do with it in the last, you know, seven or eight. But it's something that's very near and dear to me. It's very important to me. It's kind of like I always talk about like Millie is my first child and Achievement Hunter is my second. And I guess F*** Face would be like my fifth or sixth kid.

But somewhere in there, like my third kid would probably be the merch department our in our e-commerce uh something i take a lot of a lot of pride in and eric cannot keep that phone up they're honestly a great service department in that a lot of the time i feel like we can throw something out and it feels like we're the only department of rooster teeth in terms of how quickly they can get stuff made and turn around and on the shelves well they're you're absolutely right and and they are a great partner to have i call them partner we're co-workers but you know we are partners in these things and they're a great partner to have because i think we're a great partner for them in that we try to provide them new creatively challenging, different and interesting merch ideas at a pretty rapid fucking pace. If so, the way it it's operated is a lot of it is left to the merch department, the e-commerce team

to create new stuff and come up with new ideas. And then with it kind of started with Face Jam and then with Face, I started working very closely with with them and that's when a lot of this started where it's like here's new ideas and they were very hungry for like oh my god you guys have ideas yeah and uh now it's it's tony and tobin and ari and natalie and aaron and mia and we have like a team that works really hard to come up with the dumbest fucking shit I've ever seen made here. We just saw the magnet of Jeff's refrigerator. Oh, it's so cool. And it was a room of people going, this is fucking awesome.

Tony walked in like he was holding a bar of gold. Oh, yeah. And he said it's because it's the one of one prototype. He didn't want to drop it. But that's that's part of that's partly because of the relationship we've formed. See, you don't these things don't work in a vacuum, right? Rooster Teeth is a huge company with a lot of brands. You mentioned Face Jam.

That's another brand. We have Red Web. We have All Good No Worries. We have Achievement Hunter. We have Funhouse. We have all these different rooster teeth as a brand. They all need merchandise. They all have merchandise needs.

That all goes through Tony and Jeff and Aaron and Michelle and Tobin and all those people right and so they have to prioritize they can like they're a pretty robust team but they can only work on so much at once and I'm not trying to sound like a dickhead but I want them to work on our stuff before they work on anybody else's right like that's the point of like that's the point of that's that's how you that's how you run a show but But you're right to want that too because the stuff that we're making is the stuff that excites them. So they also want to work on our stuff above and beyond the other things

that they might be making. And it's just a matter of like, okay, unfortunately, you're third in line. And that's just the way, just by size, that's the way it works. And sometimes that happens. But if we demonstrate that's just the way, just by size, that's the way it works. And sometimes that happens. But if we demonstrate that we hit home runs, I'm talking, add an East Austin,

add a shape, 105 degrees, 40 mile an hour pitching machine, home run after home run after home run. We hit those home runs, it gives us a lot of flexibility and a lot of trust in that department so that when we come to them and we say, hey, we want you to make a slop-a-clock clock. And they go, like a working clock that says slop-a-clock? And we go, yeah. They go, we'll get on it.

And by the way, we have a slop-a-clock clock coming out at some point, and I'm very excited about that. I've heard all the numbers are in the right place. There was a problem with the 10 and 11. Gavin was the only one. I had no idea. I didn't say it was wrong because I was like, oh, is this like a part of the joke?

Like the 11 is on the 10. And I was like, is that supposed to be there? And then you were like talking about something else about the clock. I was like, yeah, but the 11 is in the wrong place. But a lot of why it's important for us to sell out is because of the flexibility it provides and the trust it provides us. I don't think people realize, especially when you deal with all the products that the company has in the e-commerce department, in the store, that all lives somewhere. It's housed in a warehouse.

Every day that a piece of merchandise is in that warehouse, we lose money on it. I'm not trying to get boring and too granular, but you have to think about it like this. I'm going to throw some dumb math out. Gavin, I'll need you to help me because I'm bad at math. Let's say we made 500 album covers. 500 albums. Gavin grabbed his phone. You're not going to need that.

Let's say we made 500 albums, and we made them for $10 each. And I'm not counting pressing fees. I'm not counting if they have to make a mold like they did with the magnets or any of that stuff. We make 500 records. It costs, at $10 a pop, that costs us $5,000. That's our investment that Rooster Teeth, we went to Rooster Teeth and said, Hey, please spend $5,000 on these records. And they go, Okay, we'll trust you.

We'll spend $5,000 on these records. We sell out at 15 bucks a pop. That's a 50% profit. That's better than we usually get. But it's easy math this way. 7,500 bucks, right? Bam. Day one, we made 7,500 bucks. We recouped our $5,000 investment, and then we made a $2,500 profit, right? If we thought, well, maybe we'll sell $700. Let's buy $1,000 to be sure. We've now invested $10,000. Let's say we sell $800. That's way more than $500. That's really cool.

Except we've recouped. How much money is that? You told me to put away my calculator. How much is $800 times $15? $800 times $15. Hang on. I could do this in my? 8 times 15. Hang on. I could do this in my head. Yeah, but hang on.

Hang on. Where's my calculator? Okay, hang on. I opened calendar. Oh my God. $12,000. $12,000. Yeah.

Okay, that's great. So we have, we've now spent $10,000. And you're saying there's 500 less in profit yeah there's 500 less in profit but we're we're still stuck we've basically broke even but now we're stuck with 200 albums that are just sitting in in the warehouse and what happens is we have to pay for them to live there every month that's not a lot right but it adds up and the longer that they're there the less money we. The longer that money is tied up in that facility, like literally. And so then when we come to Tony or those guys and say, hey, we want to make a bunch

of kitchen magnets that are refrigerators that are also magnets that we can put tiny magnets on top of, they go, that's a great idea, but sell through those 200 albums that you're sitting on first, which means I then have to go back to the audience and I have to now hound you to buy it. Right? Because people, here's another thing, people only buy shit the day it comes out. Nobody, like, people aren't going to the Rooster Teeth web store every day to see what, to

just casually browse what new f***face merchandise is there. I will say sometimes though it's on us where we, just with how we record stuff, we're not always the best at letting people know when things are there. 100%. 100%. So like the skateboard was something that didn't sell super well initially on launch and

then we're like, oh, nobody's buying these and then it sold out like four days after we had that conversation. I think the biggest thing with the skateboard is it didn't really come from content. Yeah, it was just like a cool idea that we liked. Yeah, but it didn't because I feel like we're never trying to just come up with merch. I feel like a lot of

our best merch doesn't ever start with that intent it's just a funny bit like a sign and that's why when it's like rooted in content

that's the stuff that'll go apeshit compared to a f*** face skateboard that we didn't really talk about that's the theory of f*** face

and why what I want to do with f*** face in general is I want the merch that we sell because we have to like it's a it's it's the cost of doing business i want when somebody buys something i've been thinking about this often on my entire adult life but when i was a roadie for the scott punk band back in the 90s catch 22 i would sell their t-shirts and their dvds and kids would come up to

me and they would buy it. They would want to buy a t-shirt. Be like, I want to get a medium of that shirt. And I'd go, uh, we're all, we're all out of medium. I'm sorry. And he'd go, what size do you have? And I go, all we have is extra large. It's way too big for you.

And he goes, I don't care. I want it. I just want it. And I realized people weren't buying the shirt. They were buying, they were, they were, they were buying a memory of the moment that they were there of that experience. And that, that the item that they're buying from me in that moment is way more important than the item itself.

You know, and they'll grow into it in 35 years. And they'll grow into it in 35 years now. And that always stuck out to me. Like people, like people won't, they don't necessarily want the merch. They just,

they want to be, they want to either a memory or they want to touch the thing. They want to be part of the, the experience, right? We, we discovered that again in achievement hunter with the moon balls and then with the socks, which was, we joked around about it a lot, but it was me fucking, I decided that people

would buy socks if we sold good socks. And then I argued with the merch department, different people ran it back then, wonderful people too, for six months. And finally, I started talking about it in content so that people started asking about it so that then I could go to them and go, you have to let us sell it. And then socks became a huge thing. Suddenly, all Rooster Teeth wanted to do

was make socks for a year. It was fucking annoying, right? I couldn't get them to listen to me. And then suddenly all they wanted to do is sell socks. And that's another thing we don't want to do. We don't want to just beat everything to death. But we do we don't want to do. We don't want to just beat everything to death. But what I really don't want to do is just ask

you to buy another t-shirt with our logo on it or a hat with our logo on it. Those are important. I buy t-shirts from restaurants and coffee shops all over town because that's the best way to support them other than also frequenting them. So there is a place for that. I'm not saying there isn't. But what we want to do with the merchandise is i want you to buy like i want you

to buy a hand a bat knob that i cut off in my backyard that still got sawdust in it i want you to buy a baseball that gavin and eric and nick and super fan jack and i all played catch with in a field before we hit it like the screen matched baseball was a great thing that we had posted to us. That was so cool. That's exactly what I think is exciting about it. Right. Oh, that's the one that, that's the first home run from that video. And to be able to be nimble, to be able to jump to the top of the line requires us to

be successful. And to be successful, sometimes we have to do it at numbers that allow us to be successful. I do want to expand the fair. I want to offer more. Like we joked around about this kitchen magnet. I think that's a product that we all believe in that we think the audience is going to really like. And I hope so because we are taking a big swing on that one.

I think we sold, we ordered 2,000 of those, which is way more than we ever order. But we just couldn't make them for any less. It would have been so expensive, we couldn't sell it. That's another thing too. So many products we come close that we think are really funny or that we really are into

that we just never, that don't get made because they're not feasible or the cost to the customer, to the community member would be so high, we can't justify it. I feel like I've been in the merch stack a couple of times being like, we can't sell that.

We can't sell that at that price. I'm not making any money from that, but I would feel bad if people were spending that much. We're not trying to nickel and dime anybody, but we're trying to give people a richer experience and ourselves a richer experience by sharing in this comedic merch in the same way y'all are. And I said earlier, I don't want everybody to buy every piece of merchandise we make. I think that's way too much. I want you to buy the ones that you the most identify with that are from the funniest moments to you

or the moments that you latch on and I want that to be a thing for you. Like if you have a fucking face poster in your house or a face t-shirt on or an Ian t-shirt, maybe Ian's a little different, but just a face t-shirt

and somebody goes, hey, what's that? And you go, Oh, it's just podcast. You should check it out. And they go, all right,

whatever I get, I get, I get recommended 1800 podcasts a day. I don't give a fuck. But if you go into somebody's house and there's a clock that only has an 11 and only has a five on it and it says slop a clock on it and you go, what the fuck is that? And somebody goes,

Oh, let me play you a clip or let me, let me tell you, let me tell you let me tell you why that that i want that i want that i want people to have that experience i want people to come to their house and go like why is there a fucking why is there a kitchen fridge magnet on your fridge that also has magnets on it that also opens like that also opens it has an apple in it why an apple and you go well do i have a story for you about apple you know that's my

theory behind merch. One other thing I wanted to mention, people have said, why don't you take pre-orders? Why don't you take pre-orders? We did. We've done it many times in the past. It's a fucking nightmare

for a myriad of reasons. Why is that? I'll tell you why. You're only legally allowed to take somebody's money for so long before you give them the product. We always ran afoul of that. And then it creates a customer service issue

because invariably, if you pre-order something, a percentage of the people decide a month in or three weeks in, oh, you know, my money is better spent elsewhere. We have to issue refunds and go through that. And that's fine. But it creates a layer of customer service for a percentage that didn't exist. And with the way the world works now, I'm not confident buying anything and telling you when it's going to come in. I would hate to tell you, uh, we printed a bunch more Gerblers. You guys pre-ordered the Gerblers. They'll be in April 15th and then have to go, uh, I've sent 3000 emails out to go, uh,

yeah, uh, there was an issue in China or wherever we're getting this made and the supply chain broke down and now we don't exactly know when it's going to come. And then we're running afoul of government regulations and it just becomes a huge cluster fuck. That's fair. Yeah. That's also, by the way, you know, people, people love like, uh, those Patriot, not Patreon, but, uh, one of the, what are the ones where you like, uh, what are the websites where you go and only fans?

No. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Where you say like, I want to make this keychain and you give me like... Kickstarter, yeah. That's all Kickstarters are, is pre-order machines.

Yeah. It really is. It's a way for people to take that pre-order money and then have looser dates on when they can return the product because it's illegally dubious and difficult to hold onto people's money after you take it for a very long time. Tesla Cybertruck? And I just don't like it.

I don't want to take your money and not give you something for a week, let alone a month or two or three. I just, I've done it many times in my history running the Rooster Teeth store and it's never been worth it. We don't put it on sale now until it's in hand. And we've been very, we've been working really closely with our e-commerce team to make sure that's the case. And then the record people got like two days later, which was insane. Yeah, that was crazy. That was like, did you see that too, Andrew? Or it was just like, oh yeah, it's here.

Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Where I've seen like the next day people be like, ah, look at the record arrived. And it's insane. It's crazy. We lost a lot of regulation listeners over the record. They became comment leavers. Absolutely.

They're still around. And I'll be the first one to say, I don't think anybody thought we were going to sell out that fast. No. Especially on this record where it was two years in the making from inception,

from the initial idea to here and now it is on sale and to me i i know that people are excited about it and we're excited about it and we're repressing it and everything gavin just got his i just got mine yeah yeah i think we're just still in the uh we can't quite believe that that dedicated portion of the audience is much bigger now we're still living in like season two numbers when really we're in season 98. And I don't want to, I don't want to like admonish a fan base for supporting us. Yeah.

For being fervent in one. Um, I think that's great. I'm glad you want it. And, um, I'm very quick to say like, Oh,

we're not going to reprint this. And then seeing how fast it sells out. It's like, Oh, we have like, we have to, we don't have a choice. I will say that I still am firmly in the camp.

And I, like i'm i always i'll lay out my opinion it is not my show this is your guys's show but i'll always give my opinion on what i feel is their best course of action and i was ready to move on from the joke of the record i that i know that people wanted it and i know people still want it and I know, but we are, we're looking at something that is like, this is a great piece and it's very cool and I'm ready for the next thing. And I know that other people aren't, but I am. That, and I kind of touched on that earlier. And that's an excellent point, Eric, is that like the longer we have to, like, if we maintain the stock, if we have a thousand of those records in store, we got to talk about that record over and over again.

And I don't want to live. I mean, I know sometimes it's ridiculous. It took us two years to get it made. But it really wasn't a guaranteed success. I know people said you should have expected the demand. And I bring back, because we've very rarely ordered in large numbers, I bring back the Porta Potty because I think that if you look at them, they're very similar. Record, two-year-old joke. Porta Potty was over a year old joke, right?

Funny to us, I would say the Porta Potty was a way bigger moment in the podcast and more relevant than that vinyl ever was. Also, both equally useless. The record is legitimately, and somebody got mad at me i said it's in a worse format than you got it online i'm not saying the records are shitty format i'm saying that it's sped up like two percent and we had to cut it a little bit to make it fit you know like yeah but it's recorded digitally and you put it on a product fine it's not like mixed for vinyl at all you're literally listening like an mp3 something? Yeah, I mean, it's so funny.

The point of vinyl record is that this is mixed on big speakers, and it's meant to be listened to in this format, so we all recorded digitally. Nick mixed it down on headphones and put it on a vinyl record. And that's the thing. It's an episode that's readily available in better quality right now for free online. We pressed it into a medium

that's obsolete and that most people don't have anymore. But it's back like the mall. Well, I mean, it's definitely in a huge collectability phase right now, for sure. But I just don't think it was a guaranteed home run

that we were going to sell a thousand of those things. For episode 16 of a podcast? Which I'll be honest, I don't remember why we picked episode 16. It was so long ago. There's nothing. It's all the 16s. We did a bunch of episode 16s.

Yeah. This was the first of them. We didn't like, there's no like special, it's the episode. Yeah. There's no special... It's the episode. How much would it cost to create the f*** face rich audio edition where we put every single episode on an individual vinyl

and make a giant box set for a one of one? Nick, start speeding them up. Again, I appreciate when everyone's excited about this thing. And then I'm going to speak from just personally. Don't talk to me about it. I don't know what the fuck you think you're going to get,

but it's not me going, oh, dude, you want a job here? I understand what you're saying, but as a regulation listener, who are they going to go to? Not me. They can go to me. They can go to someone else. They don't go to, I've been so.

Go to Jeff. I've been so adamant about this. When we did the baseballs thing and the amount that I had to deal with, I just told, I texted Jeff later that night. I said, I never want to do this again. I don't think we should release any more merch. I don't ever want to do this again.

That's my big fear here is that Eric is a tremendous resource and we're wearing him down. Don't. Just go to me. Don't talk to me. Just go to me about it. It's fine. It's not that hard. Hey, where can we find you on social media?

You don't have to. Don't. Leave me alone. Do you know how many people I had to block and unblock with this fucking vinyl record? Get real. Leave me alone. What were they saying? Hey, how come I didn't get one?

Hey, it didn't go on sale. How come it sold out so fast? That's me blocking and unblocking. This not, I don't do it. I am simply, I'm simply trying to get it to you. There's nothing else I can do. Eric's knocking over everything. He's stomping around.

But I guess the bigger picture, the 10,000 foot view, else I can do. Eric's knocking over everything. He's stomping around. But I guess the bigger picture, the 10,000 foot view, is that we are overwhelmed with the support for the podcast in general, let alone via merch. We're trying to do something deeper and honestly a little

richer in terms of the interaction between us, the merch, and the audience. We want it to mean something. We want it to be way more than a caboose messenger bag, honestly. Seriously. That I made a bunch of. I made a bunch of money off.

Or a Bow Chicka Bow Wow t-shirt or whatever. Why are you listing stuff that I bought? That stuff is great. And it helped build, it literally helped lay the bricks that built this company. Why are you listing stuff that I bought? That stuff is great. And it helped build, it literally helped lay the bricks that built this company. I'm not denouncing it. I'm just saying that where we are

after 20 years of evolving as a company, where I am, I want to do something different with the audience that I think is better for them and better for us. And it helps elevate the show. When you can put the content in your hand and fuck around with it it's different it's true i i think we should well

what's what's funny when we when we pick an arbitrary number that we think something might sell when we're just like completely guessing is it funnier if we sell out in two seconds of something and everyone's annoyed or if if we massively over-order and then we have 800 fridge magnets in Eric's office. The second that happens... I'm going to the fucking trashes where they're going. The second that happens, the face merch

train just grinds to a halt. It's like chugga chugga chugga. And then new ideas we send to them and they're like... Talk about these magnets. And I know what people are going to are gonna say i know people but we're not there yet and how come you know why why not just do pre-orders and nick in that case and why don't we do how come you don't know and why don't isn't that isn't that what your uh department's for yeah and they're making their best guess based on something that is such an outlier from what is, there's no other podcast that is doing what this does in the way that it does.

Like face jam does weird merch. Yeah. We have weird, we have a little monkey that's going to sit on your shoulder with a magnet in his butt. So you have a little monkey that you can take around everywhere. And I decided yesterday we are stealing that. And then he immediately fucking stole the idea.

Immediately. What would be on our shoulder? Oh, what do you think? It's so fucking good. It's better than their idea. It is. It sucks. It's so good. It's so fucking good. They're already working on it. Falcon. You can walk around being protected by a falcon

literally on your shoulder with the little cap on. So you want to sell another magnet. Yeah, but it's like a shoulder magnet. We've sold a shoulder magnet then. We's like a shoulder magnet we've sold a shoulder magnet then we showed a sort of fridge magnet and a bread clip magnet it's true are we a magnet podcast we might be we might be a magnet podcast um andrew how do you feel about this merch stuff that's a lot like as jeff brought up so many great points i think in terms of like and you as well of not wanting to be stuck necessarily on a specific piece of merch

and also wanting to maintain that feeling of collectability. I think it's so much fun to like chase after something and the reward of getting that is a great feeling. I think it's also maybe a consideration for us of maybe finding the line

of where more people are getting it as opposed to not. Like finding that sweet spot, which is, as you said, really difficult to do. The sweet spot is I feel like everyone who is refreshing the page at the time we said is going to come out can get one. Yes. And exactly.

And I and I will say I want to let you continue Andrew. I will say that that's what I thought the vinyl record was going to be. I thought yeah, I'm like, oh, we'll sell this out with the number that we ordered. I do think we'll sell this out. Yeah. Did I think it was going to sell out in 200 seconds? Nobody did. I thought I will give everyone will have about probably 20 minutes, half an hour to get in and grab this thing, because that will be the demand, the want for this thing. There's no way it sells out. Like, if you would have told me, yeah, this thing sells out in eight minutes, I would have been like, no fucking way.

No fucking way. There's no chance it does that at 200 seconds. That's, I don't want that. As much as I am prickly about the audience, I want you to get the thing that you want. Yes. I don't want you to miss out. Right. But my job for a lot of this

is making sure that the relationship that we have with that team, that merch team, is strong and making sure that we're selling out and making sure that we're doing the best that we can so that way we can continue to do this stuff. Yes.

And again, I don't want to sell out in 200 seconds i want to sell out in 200 minutes i want it to be sold out in like an hour or two so that way when you go oh that fucking thing oh i should go it's been like 15 minutes i should go get it yeah and you can right that's what i want the chase is great when when it results in you getting the thing you're chasing yes i. Absolutely. Let me be absolutely clear. There are so many foxes that are just pissed when they don't catch that rabbit. Let me be absolutely clear because I talked about how much I love collectability and the

chase earlier in the episode. I'm not trying to frustrate our audience in any way whatsoever. And I'm certainly not trying to frustrate the audience who doesn't like the chase, who just wants to give us $10 and get the fucking thing that they want i get that and we're trying to find the sweet spot but as the podcast grows sometimes it grows faster than we realize yeah and it's hard to explain you talked about the cost of keeping something in the warehouse and it's not just that the upfront merch is the thing that we have to do yeah that is the company wide and like that's what you have to do as a company you release merch you make money on merch boy you don't make

a lot of money on merch right is what i've learned in the last two years we are like with stuff with like face jam and everything where we just fucking kill it fucking we switch forks and switch spoons and like all this stuff and you look at the amount that you make and you go, holy shit. And then they go, okay, and now we're going to take off the amount. Like you were saying,

how much it costs to make this thing. And you go, where all my money go? Yeah. You're like, why come the number small? You're like, wow,

we made a thousand dollars in there. Like, well, the mold was 350. And you said that you wanted to not sell it for the additional 10 so that way we meet a margin because you wanted this to be cheaper for everyone to go and buy yeah so now you've knocked off 1300 and you go oh why did i do that you're like but we sold out how did we lose eight bucks that's it really is what it feels like how many records do you have to sell for something to go platinum uh half a half a million and so we're almost we're so close what is the lowest

is a bronze let me know like what's the lowest has a podcast ever gone platinum oh that's a great question we should go platinum and then we'll sell and go platinum and then we'll sell one that is made of platinum And then we'll sell one that is made of platinum. Yeah, then we'll sell the one of one platinum. Yeah. But we'll sell that one for $1. Yeah. First person that gets it. How come they can't just give me...

Oh, it has to be RIAA certified. Oh, the recording industry of America. The DRM guys? Yeah. The first official designation of a gold record? Yep, it's RIAA. Damn. That sucks.

Yeah, it's got to be like sound scanned probably. Yeah. Well, can we say we went GURFL? We can definitely say we went GURFL. We have to do that. Episode 16 went GURFL. So we have to create our own. We need a frame.

This could just be for our office. You know when a record goes gold and they have them we need a gerpal vinyl to put in a frame and it just says you know this episode went gerpal oh that's 500 500 units sold that's so fun i want to make that that is so fucking great oh my god uh that's awesome so that's kind of like the long and short of the merch stuff if you listen to that and that wasn't entertaining to you i'm sorry but that was stuff that we have to say for the people who will write me diatribes and i don't want to read them but that was inside the sausage yeah that's and that's it that's what the sausage there you go and it's but at the end of the day it's like we're trying we understand that uh specifically with this

record but with a lot of stuff sometimes we don't order enough there there are specific reasons why we don't but we're trying to be a little more liberal with our with our fault tolerance i guess yeah i think in the same way that by supporting the merchant allows us the freedom to create really dumb ridiculous stuff and pursue those that support also then allows us to create more and take more of a risk. Which it sounds like we're doing with the magnet. When we do take a risk for a

product that we feel really good about, Gerbler or the kitchen magnet, then yeah, we take our big risks there. I reckon we can find a corner of this building and call it the f*** face flop zone and we'll just keep boxes of shit

that doesn't sell in here and we'll save money. Save money that way. How big's your office? I got moved, so bigger, but for me, smaller. You want to work

in the flop zone? Absolutely not. Just surrounded by Comet Lever shirts. I think the other... Why does your desk say shirt haver all over i think the other thing we wanted to touch on is that uh i think we have a lot of stuff that we talk about where we go oh they're not letting us do this stuff yeah yeah that that is partly true and also partly not exactly how this all operates um there's a lot of example uh i guess break show is

a thing that we want to do weekly and then how like we i think we figured something out now yeah but to get to this point so much had to move and change to make sure we could get on the show floor for x amount of minutes for a time to have a set to go live against the other stuff because shockingly there's other things at this company that are being made uh so it it's not just oh somebody this one person isn't letting us do this thing. Departmentally, I have to like work with Nick to make sure we have our bandwidth is good. So we have something that we can edit

and post or whatever. Then I also have to work with our regular post-production to make sure there's a video component for some of this stuff. Then I have to work with our production team, Shane and the like. I have to make sure I work with Tyler Stab

to make sure we have things in the budget. And that's all just from like the production side. None of that is from like the creative side. And does this fit in with like what we're trying to accomplish and what we're doing? Right. It's not just like when we go, oh, they're not letting us do this. That's us being reductive on purpose. Yeah.

Yeah. I hope I hope that you understand that and you're not going, oh, I can't believe he's doing this to them. I can't believe. Who's it at? Is it Hannah or Jordan? Let me at him. I'm so angry. No, it's, and you know, there's different kind of productions too.

Like if I wanted to make an audio podcast, I wouldn't ask anybody. I wouldn't tell anybody. I would just make it, which is something I need to admit to you guys in a minute. Uh, but, uh, but if I were to ask for money, right,

if I wanted to make a, a, a hardcore tabletop show, like hardcore monopoly, which I created or haunter, which cost a million and a half dollars to make, or the weird place, uh,

or any of the we went to Australia and England that's cool did you find any ghosts yeah man so I don't really understand

found all kinds of stuff or last laugh like a show that's a higher concept higher budget that has to go through a formal pitch process on the creative end

where you have to create documentation and go and pitch it to a committee that the committee it changes all the committee, it changes all the time. The process changes all the time. Not for any reason other than it just evolves over time. But currently I would want to go

and I talked to probably Doreen and Matt and Jordan and Hannah and Juan. And I would say, here's a show I want to make. Here's how much I think it's going to cost. Get excited about it. And that we, you do that in a couple of ways, but the, the most common way would be to create a one sheet,

right? Which is just like one page or two pages that explains the premise of the show, kind of the bulleted breakdown of the show, how it's going to run and why it deserves to be made. Yeah. I'm thinking about, we were talking about,

does it do a little bit before? And that was a thing that was like, so hung out of like, when are we doing that? When are we doing that? does it do a little bit before and that was a thing that was like so hung out of like when are we doing that when are we doing that and it's like okay what about in a month oh i'm gonna be in england oh okay cool all right well what about okay what about six weeks from now oh i'm at that oh that's actually i'm gonna be out of town too okay cool i like the big list of stuff that the big stumbling blocks just to get something to the point where it's like, make that. And that's before you have to schedule both of us. Because the leaner that we are, and that's how we can do supplemental content.

Because supplemental content is just like Nick goes, oh, it's recorded. It's almost live to tape. There's some editing that goes into it. And then we're ready to take this thing and go. And we already have a time that's set aside. And we do that. When it's a larger production, there's more moving moving parts and it might not be this whole cast but some of this cast is has a lot of other things going on where trying to schedule is honestly not as bad now as it used

to be i've been around you have a lot you have been you've been around a lot. You have been. You've been around a lot. Yes, I have definitely noticed that. And we've made a ton of shit. Yeah. Yeah, it's been great. Can I say, I don't know if we've talked about this. There was some research

and then we can cut this out if this is something you don't want in there. Do you know I'm technically your boss? Are you? He's probably my boss too. I'm not. I'm only, I have one direct report

and it's you. How can I use this? I was by the way, congratulations on getting on get given the problem. I was technically Gavin's boss for a lot, even after Achievement Hunter, I think for a long time. It's just like nobody knows what to do with Gavin. I'll be in these meetings and it'll be like, hey, talk to, you know, the talent that you manage or your like direct reports to see if they want to do this thing, this thing. Or we have this other thing coming up. And I'll just reply with, hey, I'll just reply with, oh, that's Gavin's thought about it.

He has been on the fence on this thing. However, he does not find that he can make this happen in his schedule. I once found, I think it was like a preliminary hierarchy where they drew it out. It was probably like 2012 or 2013. No, just trying to figure everything out. For some reason, it was like everyone in the company under all these people.

And then right on the side, it was just me and Monty. It's like a non-textual guy. I was like, what? If that doesn't sum it up. It's like a famous sound of music song. How do you solve a problem like Gavin? Oh, this is exciting news. Yeah.

Yeah. This happened a couple of months ago. So wait, you're here. Nope. Just you. No, but he's your boss. No, I'm nobody's boss. I haven't been anybody's boss in four years.

Except for yours brief for a little while there. How was that? It was fine. I've been your boss since the day I met you. I feel like I'm a good employee. Yeah. I had no issues. Yeah.

I mean, it's the other stuff when they ask me, like, can anyone have any interest in doing this other stuff? And I just go, I mean, just don't even bother asking me. What are you reading? Oh, I don't know if it's worth reading, but I pulled up the initial pitch doc for does it do? Oh really? Just the one sheet. I haven't looked at it since I pitched it.

So that show got pitched two and a half years ago. Something like that. Over two years ago. Yeah. Is this something we can show? Yeah. I don't see why not. It's just,

I thought I could read it right now, or I can also just release it on Instagram. If you can give us kind of like, I don't know how long like it is, but like if you can give us some of it and then we'll take a picture. I'll give you a little. Because I remember it being pretty.

It's there and you can read it, but I do remember it being sort of like longer. Is it longer? So the answer to my question is yes. Here's something I want to read. All right. I'll just read like the premise. Does it do an honest and unbiased exploration into the material efficacy of

the products featured in ads seen on TV, Instagram, and Tik TOK. Then I go into a little thing. Uh, but here, here's, here's the example I break out.

Uh, and this whole, I said, I'll, I'll put this up on Instagram. Uh, when this episode airs, uh,

it's envisioned as an eight episode season, reality show, similar in look and tone to no idea from fun house. Each episode features two hosts, Gavin and Jeff conducting experiments on products purchased from infomercials to determine does it do what it's advertised to do. To determine, the hosts simply recreate the conditions of success the product is purported to work under in its ads. This is just all me writing bullshit. But here's the example that I pulled out that I thought was funny. In example, does the tack shaver really work underwater?

We fill a clear bucket with water and try and dunk our heads in it to try and shave our faces. So the example I use, and that's the only example I use in the intro, is the example that ended up being episode eight that's never going to air where I ended up going to the emergency room. It's about three minutes long. Probably two years after I wrote that, we finally did it. It's just, and if you are interested in seeing what a one sheet looks like

if you're listening to this go to the instagram i will post it and you can just see like that's the kind of document i make when i have to go or eric now when we have to go make and and go to the company at large and say hey i need money yeah i don't want to make this and this is why you want us to make it this is why this show is going to provide benefit to the company at large and say, hey, I need money. I don't want to make this. And this is why you want us to make it. This is why this show is going to provide benefit to the company in this way. And I'll just say one other thing. I also served as a creative director for a long time,

so I read a lot of those. I'm going to give a little bit of credit. Chris Damaris makes the best pitch documents I've ever read in my entire life. For as fucking weird as that guy is he is so good

on paper man he is so fucking good he is so good he's so creative on the page it's crazy I feel like credit works do

but the pitch the pitch document he put together for Black Box Down was a work of art I still think about it sometimes when I'm doing

pitch documents that's so interesting. Which I don't do very often anymore. Because I've seen him just try something as simple as like pulling a Gatorade out of the

fridge and it's like calamity. Yeah. Well I don't know how long it takes him. Like he goes into the lab and it may take him six months to come out

with that pitch document. But he will have seven he will have a spreadsheet or a PowerPoint of seven highly engaged well designed pages that really paint a wonderful picture. He's very good. He's immensely talented somewhere under there. Yeah.

Last time we did an episode of Face Jam, I saw him because we share an office now. And he said, I didn't say a word to him. We're the only two people in the office. Quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet. Do you have any face jam candy? Silence. And then I did. And he followed me.

He's like scurried after me like a little cartoon man and came in and got it. And it was thrilled about face jam candy. He makes such good one sheets. It's just, it's the stuff you guys don't see. It's the real sausage talk stuff. But Chris and then Hannah, who doesn't make him anymore. Good one sheets. It's the stuff you guys don't see. It's the real Sausage Talk stuff. But Chris and then Hannah, she doesn't make them anymore,

but when that was her job, Hannah is phenomenal at it as well. She's my boss. So if you have a problem with me, go directly to Hannah. She was the producer on my show in the desert that I did a few years ago. Oh, yeah. That's fun.

Yeah. Phenomenal. She got me a room full of kittens, which I thought was pretty impressive. In the desert? Yeah. We have some really, really talented people working at Rooster Teeth,

and the audience, they see some of it, but there are talents that the audience doesn't get to see that we do. Yeah. And people like Hannah and Chris are... But they won't let us make it! We've also, I think we're trying to work on, because I've sent about 75 really mingy slacks about it,

but I can never find our supplementals on the site. I got word that that should be fixed in the next month, month and a half. So by the time this is out, that's hopefully fixed. But we will see. I've been raising a fuss about that. Yeah, I think it's just because it's not in a season. Who owns f***facepod.com?

I don't know. Is that something that... I don't know. Is that something that... I don't know, but I bought a new domain yesterday. Eric randomly slacked me if I knew that. And I was like, it's fair.

It's a fair question to ask me, but no, I do not. I did not buy F***FacePod.com. If you own it, can you let me know because I need it. Thank you. Yeah.

I'm trying to... Adam Barrett asked me about it when I told him to ask you. Yeah, because I'm part of... I'm trying to get all of this organized so that way yeah because I'm part of I'm trying to get all of this organized so that way when we go hey find our stuff you don't have to go to roosterteeth.com and then click on the left and go to the thing or what you just go to facepod.com it takes you right there everything's there and I'm trying to get this reorganized and clean and like here's

all of our supplemental is in a thing and everything's here and here's all searchable and it's all there and I'm trying to get it and you have to give me the website. I can't do it. I can't do it if I don't have facepod.com. We'll give you all the slop o'clock clocks you want. Yeah, I just think like the indexing on the way that's seasoned,

just I guess it's not the same as when it's a numbered season. It's not because it's not in that dropdown tab. You have to scroll down to bonus features where it is listed. It's backwards in there. But if you also, if you search something in there, it doesn't come. No, it's not in that drop-down tab. You have to scroll down to bonus features where it is listed. It's backwards in there.

But if you search something in there, it doesn't come up. No, it does not. So I'm trying to get it within that drop-down where it's seasonal, which I hate, by the way. I just want to change it to years. But we're a seasonal podcast. Not according to this thing. I'm not following this thing.

One, two, three, four, five, six, 98. What do you mean? Yeah, because then when we go to 7, then 98 is after that and it doesn't make any sense. I'm not doing that. So I'm trying to get that. It should definitely go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 8, 9, 10.

That's how it should be. That's how it should be. No, I'm not doing it. That's how it is on audio. Yeah, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. So there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that we're trying to get organized

and everything, but... Is that your taxi driver? It is. Did you get that? That's crazy. My friend Jason Cryer, who does a bunch of merch for Mega64, made me that sign. I need to get organized. He made me the sign from Taxi Driver,

and it was hanging in my office at a job that I hated. It was great. What's his first name? Travis Bickle. Travis Bickle. Great character name. Great incel. We have,

yeah, big time. The original. We have other stuff that's coming out. We're kind of winding down on Sausage Talk, which is nice,

but to tease some stuff, we do have a show that's kind of in development right now that I think we're excited about with Face Off that we'll announce. There was a topic

that was like, how come they didn't call this other thing Face Off? And there were so many things I wrote and didn't post and just erased. And I was just like, it's like we're saving, doesn't fucking matter.

It doesn't fucking matter. It's earmarked for a production that we've been working on for two months now. Yeah, yeah, something like that. I think that we have an idea and I think it's a really fun idea that we're going to be able to do and everything. So just keep an ear out for that.

Can I just say, talking about complimenting people in the company for things that they're good at that the audience doesn't necessarily see. I've been working in this world for 20 years and some change now. And you have to be one of the most enjoyable people to produce a production with. You hear that, Gavin? That's so nice that he said that to you. I really feel like.

He's talking about my boss. I really. I mean, I just got to say, like, as F***face so nice that he said that to you. He's talking about my boss. I mean, I just gotta say, as F***face has grown, our relationship has grown as well in terms of how closely you and I work together.

And it has just been an absolute delight to run the F***face business with you. It's fun. It's a lot of fun. As difficult as it is and all that stuff and it raises like my profile publicly uh which i'm not for it it definitely like it's nice to work on something that somebody's passionate about and that's why it's why anima face jam and face are like the things that but those are the things like my time goes to you have you have the best job in

the company i've said that before yeah I'm very very happy I really I really like it Eric also so Nick Nick is here and doing this stuff

he gets to be part of all these things Nick actually might have the best job in the company I get to tag along in a lot of stuff and you don't get all my slack

that's also true Eric is so where's this supplemental Eric not directly Eric is so very and's the supplemental, Eric? Not directly. Eric is so very... And this is something the audience will never see. Eric is so very good at telling me no when it needs to happen. I mean, you just witnessed it there.

When I give him a crazy idea, I'm like, what if we did this? And Eric goes, we could do that. And I go, maybe you need to talk me out of it and he goes so I'm about to and then he'll for like he'll sit very patiently with me for like 30 minutes and we'll go through all the pros and cons and he'll convince me it was a bad idea which is something that I need nobody nobody needs carte blanche yeah

nobody it's but also having said that is open to backing down on some things absolutely again this is your guys's show I do want to say that all credit to me good job job me, for seeing it coming where we wanted to play Ward Zone and I knew what it was going to turn into. I knew what the audience was going to do as much as they were like, no, we're not. Have you seen how many drafts are suggested every fucking day?

Yeah. All goddamn day. You should do the draft of dogs. All right, shut up. Shut up. you should do the draft of dogs all right shut up shut shut up it would be the same thing but with games and it would just be a relentless tirade of those things but that's good engagement not that no no i don't think people excited about what we might make it bothers i don't it it bothers me because i feel like we have such a good plan and a strong plan and when people think

nothing makes me feel like i'm better at my job and a strong plan and when people think nothing makes me feel like i'm better at my job than seeing somebody else think they can do it that makes me feel like oh fuck i might actually be good at this that's but enough about me jeff you had something to admit oh yeah i don't know is the thing that you told me about and you said i acted weird about yeah so so this could be anything I you know I was talking earlier

about getting stuff made I'm gonna there's two ways to do stuff there's a you can ask permission or you can ask forgiveness I'm an ask forgiveness guy no one at this company

is gonna hear this so keep going you're fine yeah no no I'm not asking forgiveness from anybody but my two co-hosts I

I I would argue that that's been my strength in the company is that i just make stuff yeah and and i and i try to do it if i do it for free then i don't have to get permission to make it i felt a little weird when i joined the annual past podcast because i've got this whole business with you guys and it's really been the main focus of all of at least my life for the since it started uh and you know, I have Animo, but that's nothing. That's just Gus and I

getting coffee. But I did feel a little bit like I was cheating on you guys with Annual Pass. And I'll be honest, I could tell that you were a little miffed at times. And which is,

you know, which is whatever. Who is you? Who is miffed? Andrew, were you miffed about Annual Pass? No.

No. So, I probably should have told you guys, but I started a new podcast. Okay. Do I know about this? I talked to you about it the night we went and got drinks with Jason and Nick when Nick helped me come up with the name for it. Was I shitting? Was I in the bathroom? Yeah, you've already said this.

Did I tell you I started a new podcast? Yeah, in the last recording you're like, I have a new name for a thing. I guess maybe I didn't know it was a podcast. Yeah, well, I started a new podcast? Yeah, in the last recording, you're like, I have a new name for a thing. I guess maybe I didn't know it was a podcast. Yeah, well, I started a new podcast. You didn't know what it was. I just said I came up with a name for a thing. You didn't.

Andrew, you thought you knew what it was. You didn't know what it was. I didn't say it was a podcast. I just said I came up with a name for a thing. Anyway, I started a new podcast. And so far, Nick's the only person that has seen it. I don't even know if he's listened to it. Not yet.

I just gave it to him last night yeah but anyway I just wanted to oh I do know I should have I've only just figured out

what you're talking about I should have I should have mentioned it to you guys I wasn't weird about that yeah you're a little weird don't look at I wasn't there

he was he was like what do you mean you started a new podcast am I in it and I was like not exactly he was like

it's a f*** face and I was like I don't know and he was like why I didn't ask any of these questions by the way yeah you did

am I in it are you Jason like I want to be in another podcast are you sure Jason He's like, is it a f*** face? And I was like, I don't know. And he was like, why? I didn't ask any of these questions, by the way. Am I in it? Are you Jason? Like I want to be in another bug cup? Are you sure Jason didn't ask if he was in it? It was Gavin. I could see he bristled a little bit. Is Jason in it? Sort of like, are you cheating on me with another?

Oh, he was miffed. Yeah, he was miffed. I was supportive over this idea. This is like the whole oh, oh, no thing where it was genuine and Andrew decided it was weird. Well, it was a weird town. It was a weird town. You're right. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

This is Jeff gaslighting you. That is different than the time I was right about your town. I'm not gaslighting him. I can tell he was weirded out by it. I wasn't weirded out. This is like having us in a bad mood thing. He was like, you're still going to make f*** face? And I was like, yeah, man. It's not going to get in the way of f*** face at all. What's the podcast? Yeah, what is it? Do you want to say the name do you want to wait oh i don't care okay it's called so all right okay that's all so all right so all right so comma all right that's a good name yeah i do remember come out with that nick sold on you

came over yeah i remember him saying that yeah you should have let him help you name Rooster Teeth I didn't name Rooster Teeth, Bernie did oh never mind I won't take the blame for that I could have hired him to help I could have hired him to help with Achieva Hunter because that's a if there is a name on earth dumber than Rooster Teeth it's Achieva Hunter

so fucking stupid it's not even what you did we weren't even happy with it when we made it like i remember just sitting around going like we got to call it something and this is better than achieve men or whatever we came oh my god oh my god i'm surprised that we never just rebranded it to achieve or something like we had all those shirts for so long. Why was it never just Achieve? Well, we kind of were headed that way with the Achieve clothing brand. That's what I mean,

but that was like five or six or seven years ago. I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, I was having less to do with that stuff then. Yeah. So that's a Trevor question, I guess. All right. I don't know.

I think I would love it. Probably brand recognition and all the reasons why you don't change the name of a company. Yeah, maybe. That's a Trevor question, I guess. All right. I don't know. I think I would love it. Probably brand recognition and all the reasons why you don't change the name of a company. Yeah, maybe. That's true. We're on a roll. Copyright. Yeah. So is this a thing people can listen to?

No. Eric, why are you being so weird about this? Sorry. Sorry. It's a real miff, Derek. I didn't mean to be miffed by my question. I'll release it at some point, I think, if it's good enough. Okay.

It's got to go through Nick, and then it's got to go through you, and then it's got to go through Hannah, probably. Okay. Here's what I'll say. No, it doesn't. We can probably just put this out. But I don't want to put it out if it's any good. It'll be good.

What is it? It's just me. It's just my solo podcast where I talk about things that... This is where Gavin got a little miffed the other night. I was explaining to him. No, no, it's fine. It's okay. I was explaining.

I talk about things that aren't appropriate, that don't really fit with F*** Face or with Anima. Like Anima, I have a specific lane. I can go Nostalgia and austin that's great uh with face i can there's a comedic universe that we've built and there are things that are

appropriate for that comedic universe and things that aren't and things that aren't particularly funny but i just find interesting don't really work in to face and i was

explaining a story to gavin and of this this rabbit hole i went down over this band and how i was wrong about it and he uh he thought it sounded like F*** Face, but I don't think it did. Did your eyes glaze over?

That's almost an interesting sausage talk point. I know we're wrapping this up, but what is F*** Face? To me, anything under the umbrella... The umbrella of F*** Face is really just passion and enthusiasm for whatever that thing is. I don't think there necessarily needs to be a comedic tone to it. No, but I think it needs to fit in the universe.

And there are things that just don't. Maybe I thought it could have passed. It could have been f***face passing because you just exude f***face by default. But yeah, I see what you're saying. I feel like there is a ton of stuff that I have no outlet for. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I feel like there is a ton of stuff that I have no outlet for. Like, you know more about cameras and shutter speeds and focal length and the law of reciprocity and how high-speed photography works.

That would never be appropriate to talk about on F*** Face. Unless there was a specific comedic reason for it. But it's something you're exceptionally well versed in. I ended up talking about lenses on an episode of F*** Face and I had to stop myself.

I was like, wait, why am I doing this? Yeah, right? I mean, I mentioned that my book ended mid-sentence, right?

And I talked about that Kafka book that ended mid-sentence. But I'm not going to talk about Kafka on F*** Face or, you know, get deep into like existentialism and SART or something like that's just not appropriate. But that is stuff that's interesting to me that I do

want an outlet for. And part of the problem with the way I've structured my life and in post pandemic is that the only time I talk to other human beings is on podcasts. So if I don't talk about it on a podcast, I just can't talk about it. I feel similarly in that I've always had a lot of outlets for stuff, and I could always make a very quick decision. Like, is this a story that's just, is it a face story? Or is it something I could just mention in passing on the RT podcast? Or is it even less than that? And I could just throw it out in like a random Let's Play.

But I've lost so many of those outlets now that I do feel the same sort of like, there are now things that I would talk about but i have nowhere for them right but i also don't want to make another podcast well i'm getting up there in age i'll be dead soon so i gotta get i gotta get all these words out while i'm working on it you know i was just gonna say that's what i think sort of supplemental as we do more like viewing the office days is like blocks to do supplemental stuff. I think it's sort of an interesting space to mess with those. And I guess I never really considered supplemental. This is might sound ridiculous.

I never considered a supplemental piece to be tied to face specifically. If that makes sense. What do you mean? Like it's a thing that we make within the hub of maybe the tone but not necessarily the same specific style is how i view because there's stuff i think of for supplemental that i'm either developing or thinking about that i don't think fit with the show but because it's its own thing within the hub under face i think it still works yeah i mean it fits like within the comedic universe that we've built right but i think there's even potentially like room for

like a serious show but not obviously not face specific but like in the space in which we record additional stuff but you would think that that would live in the face under the face umbrella yeah i think it could okay yeah i don't have a problem with that either i don't either i agree but here's the problem when i have to explain it to someone who hears it third hand from someone and they go so you guys are doing face like twice a week now or what? And then I go, ah, yeah,

I would love that. I want to do it daily. Did I've been, I've been studying. I have gone through, Emily made the mistake of expressing any interest at all in old Howard Stern. Oh, that's right.

And so now we're watching like two hours a night of classic Stern. And first off, it is amazing how much I was influenced by him without realizing it. And then how much I was influenced by him

by realizing it. You know, like, I've always cited Howard as one of my biggest influences and how all I ever really wanted to do was create our version of the Howard Stern show.

But there are so many things that I have stolen or appropriated from him that I didn't even realize until you take a couple years off and you go back and you watch those old tapes and you're like oh that's her that definitely influenced me oh that influenced me or oh I wish that hadn't influenced me I wish I had you know there's a lot of good and bad in there yeah I'm gonna be Jackie the joke man I'm gonna get I'm gonna get a jetty my contract is up so the jetty my um it's gonna be good I'm excited we just uh jetty. My contract is up. So it's going to be good.

We just, uh, we just watched the love tape last night. Oh really? Yeah. How did that go? So good, man.

So good. What was your favorite part? Uh, I did all the moments that come from it that I didn't realize. Like I had forgotten that. Hello. Hello. Oh,

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his, his, his, And he can't let himself say marriage and he hits himself on the back of the head He goes he's like so Gary from the Howard Stern show Gavin You know producer the hard center the Eric of the heart structure. Oh, it's true though He broke up he broke up he got dumped by this girl Yes, yeah, and she moved on and so seven months after they broke up. He sent her a VHS Like she wouldn't talk to him. She wouldn't speak to him So he said he wrote he made a 10-minute VHS.

The way, what they did, the Howard Stern show that was so brilliant, was when they found out it existed, they were like, you've got to bring it in, you've got to let us watch it, we'll have a showing. And Gary's like, there's no way. And he's like, we'll pay you. They raised like 20 grand, 18 grand from listeners. They let the listeners come in, and then they had a showing

with these like eight listeners that all paid like two grand each. What year was this? Oh, 98? Oh, boy. I think it was before that. 96, maybe? Yeah. I mean, it was like-

It's like- KC's there. Yeah, so it's got to be right around that. Senator John's there. It has to be right around the mid-90s. It's got to be right at the end of Jackie. It's so good. Yeah.

And then they just watch him pour his heart out to this lady and pause it and make fun of him every second they did multiple viewings and each viewing you had to pay less to get in it is so they he just gets like two words in and it's just pausing

in this room of people cackling and just cackling destroying him it's just pausing in this room of people cackling. And just cackling. Destroying him. It's so... It's brutal. I hope Gary De La Bata has made a lot of money. Oh, I think...

He's still there. He's worth way more than Eric, I'll tell you that. Yeah, no kidding. He's worth like 50 million, I think. Oh, wow. That was always... I think that was always the way Mega64 was always like, oh, who's who?

Who's Robin and who's Fred and all that stuff. And I just went, Gary. I've always just wanted to be, for a long time, I wanted to be Artie. For a long time in Rooster Teeth, like in the early podcast. For a long time you were. I was just trying to be Artie. I was like, let Bernie, let Bernie be Howard. I just want to be, I just want to have funny jokes occasionally

and tell a wacky story and be hammered. You know, and fuck up. Throw some CDs. Yeah. And now then at some point I realized I don't want to be Artie anymore. Oh man, this is good. We should wrap up over the hour,

but this was a good sausage talk. This was a nice little peek behind the curtain. Thank you so, so, so, so, so, so much for your support. Thank you so much for the effort you put into buying the merchandise that we create. I promise you every piece that we make is made with love and because we think it deserves to exist and because we think it's weird and unique and fun and a part of this big old joke that we call face. And we really are sorry if you don't get every piece you want, but we kind of don't want you to buy everything. I don't get every piece you want but we kind of don't want

you to buy everything i don't think that would be financially wise for anybody unless unless you're a trust fund person yeah and then and you're worth a hundred if you're worth a hundred million dollars please buy one of everything yeah and also just give us money but if yeah but if you're not just finance season two of does it do if you want. I really hope. Yeah, absolutely. You want to be a sponsor? You want to see if it does? I guarantee if you give us $100 million, it does. We'll make it. Anyway, and

hopefully we shed some light onto why we bitch a little bit about getting shows made or greenlit. And a lot of times it's just honestly for us. You know how you complain about it for the audience you know when you're like at target and you're complaining about your job or whatever at target to your other friends that work at target that's all this is that's all it's just

complaining about work to work friends it's did you ever work at target yeah yeah he hated it yeah he was the first employee at a target they did it was the first person they hired did you unlock the door or something they were hiring they were they opened a new target in my hometown and i was the first person they hired i was the first like it was like here's all like the managers coming in from other stores and then i was the first person they hired to fucking push carts were you tempted to be like first one in last one out was i tempted to be the last one out of Target? Shut down that Target. Shut the lights off, fellas, at Target. Oh, man.

Well, follow us at F***FacePod on Instagram and on Twitter, and you go to F***FacePod.com, and I think it takes you to the store right now, but I'm trying to just get it to take us to where I need it to go. So again, if you own that website or know who does, please let me know. Or just redirect it for us. Yeah, if you could just redirect it to our roosterteeth.com page, that works for now. And then just let me know.

This is the only time I'm saying please reach out to me. I also hope that none of this came off as anyone complaining about anything other than me. Like, I don't think we're complaining about any of this stuff. I think we just want to kind of like lay bare what this is. Yeah, it's all very exciting. And it's stuff that I love to talk about.

Like, it's interesting to me. I spend so much, I spend more of my life thinking about merch than I do anything else, probably. It's just fascinating to me. And then also, keep your ears out. Someday down the road, you may listen to my new podcast,

So Come Alright, if it is in fact alright and it's deemed makeable. And listen for a certain URL that will annoy Eric. Uh-oh. I'm excited. Great.

Bye. How was that, boss? I don't know. How was that, boss? I thought that was... Hello and welcome to the addendum of this supplemental piece of face content. We recorded so long ago that a lot of the content on this upcoming sausage talk is no longer up to date, let's say. And superseded by more stupidity. Yeah, Gavin is going to break it down for you now because he wants to make sure he's clear. Oh, you pretty much covered it. Well, the way...

Why is this... Well, it's just shorter and neater, isn't it? No, it's just short and Neo, isn't it? No, it's not. The other one was way better than this. Ah, it's the first one then. What if we do one at the beginning and one at the end? Okay, that's good. Okay, so Nick, the first one that we did,

put that one at the beginning, and then this one where we tried to do a second take, put that at the end. There you go. And just so people know, the break show is returning on Mondays. I don't remember which Monday, but check your Mondays. Monday, August 7th at 4 p.m. every Monday. Just keep looking at those Mondays and let us know where you heard about the show because we teased it at the end of one episode, the middle of another one, and now in the addendum to this.

What a mess. I'm now on board for number two of the recordings. Number two is, I think, very good as well. They're both strong. Let us know which one you preferred the before it did them or the after it Oppenheimer made the atomic bomb

y'all that's just crazy that's it we're done we're done thank you thank you for listening goodbye did you guys know Barbie made the atomic bomb